From ???@??? Sat Nov 01 11:55:29 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 31 23:17:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRXnz-00067U-00; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:17:11 -0800 Message-ID: <345AD378.7B33@aznet.net> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:00:08 -0800 From: crimson Reply-To: Crimson@aznet.net Organization: Autonomy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: where can I buy a jamman References: <971031233014_1501346155@emout08.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HazRF.A.ESF.vNtW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1024 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:17:11 -0800 X-UIDL: fbca73c0b114505076f76872b5835cf1 You're an idiot From ???@??? Sat Nov 01 11:55:30 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 31 23:39:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRY98-0006uv-00; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:39:02 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <971031233014_1501346155@emout08.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Re: where can I buy a jamman Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 02:26:38 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"IlZu0B.A.YFG.antW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1025 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:39:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 35ae417bb6c4fd2560d15850cbafa195 >i just bought that one......psyche! =-p PJ Really?! Oh maan get out of my mind..... From ???@??? Sat Nov 01 11:55:36 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 1 01:19:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRZib-0002Qu-00; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 01:19:45 -0800 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 04:10:32 -0500 (EST) From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: <971101033914_-1577009341@mrin39> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: LoOpDoctOrs, WE WILL...WE WILL...LoOP YOU...tour... Resent-Message-ID: <"IEzuqC.A.dCC.PJvW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1026 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 01:19:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 85a3636734deec88e727ee4f684cfe3b ...commences Saturday, November 1st, 1997 at Evo's Coffee House in Ashland, Oregon. (Across from the Library.) We hope the entire list comes. Coffee is pretty good there. Best, The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Sat Nov 01 11:55:52 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 1 10:38:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRiR0-0003PP-00; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 10:38:10 -0800 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:25:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711011825.NAA16100@shell.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@monmouth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: PROJECT LO....little revue Resent-Message-ID: <"3YRU2C.A.tqC.RU3W0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1027 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 10:38:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 2dae0a9d5731185550ecc4f33463805f hey Peter, and all ..> >> PROJECT LO/ CARYN LIN >> Thur Oct 30 1997 >> >Andre, how was the show? I CAN'T WAIT 'til this crew makes >it to the Boston area on 13 November. it was great !!!! a small, smoke free venue, comfortable, high ceilinged with good acoustics... A nice long set - material from Caryn's new CD, as well as the new Project Lo /Black Canvas - (which was available at the show for a great price!, along with Caryn's and other Bon & Geno White CD's) Two guitars incl. Bon and Jim Fogarty..sorry I can't recall the dummer or bassists names (!) and of course Caryn. She had that cool violin that looks like the Queensryche logo...thru a jam man and a bunch of pedals - 2 boss delays, a rarely seen ibanez modulation delay, etc. the 2 guitarists also had jamman/vortex combos, with assorted other stuff, ebows, etc... Bon hit a Parker Fly and an Ibanez(?) acoustic Music was very nice, textural, tribal drums with lush layers being set up by Bon & Caryn, Jim Fogarty had a cool twangy tele sound - picked out some tasy licks, lotsa cool tremelo tones..a couple of cool trademark legato Lozaga solos... One vocal tune, one little solo loopage treat by Caryn... with impossible violin harmonics technique of course... well - don't wanna spoil any more surprises - GO to the show!! it's modern tribal loopy jazz spaciness with TEETH! peace,andre'> From ???@??? Sat Nov 01 12:19:44 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 1 12:18:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRk03-0000oU-00; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:18:27 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:12:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Rupolo, Thomas" (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Questions and techniques Resent-Message-ID: <"akxbeB.A.ig.H24W0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1028 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:18:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 59031c92a01fbc4df6bd5317b2d6affc I+m writing with two questions for the list, one is somewhat specific and one is a bit more general. Lastly, I was asked to share some of my other techniques to hopefully inspire fellow loopers. I+m about to lose my access to email for a while so I want to get this out while I+m still hooked up. First for the general question: 1) How many loopers save their loops and how? This would have been a good question for the survey a number of weeks back, but I just thought of it now. I use a plain ol+ cassette deck, but I wonder how many of you use DAT+s, a sampler, or some other digital storage device like a zip drive (if that+s even possible.) I'm thinking about getting a DAT but wondering if I should shell out $700-800 without considering alternatives. 2) I was wondering how many people have used these somewhat inexpensive "phrase samplers" that are showing up on the market like crazy these days. I+m talking about the Akai Remix 16, MPC2000, and S-20, Boss SP-202, Yamaha SL-10, Ensoniq ASR-X (this one is not so inexpensive, actually), and/or Roland MS-1. I+ve only seen an few of these and getting Sam Ash in NYC to actually demo one of these things for me is like asking for the salesman+s first born child. I use an Echoplex in a number of very different ways. I often like to create an ambient loop but eventually want to add a drum/rhythmic part with a different time length (usually shorter). The original loop will not conform to the new rhythm so I will probably end up buying another unit. I+d like the rhythmic part to hopefully but not necessarily sync up to the +plex. Has anyone ever used any of things and found them as easy to work with as the +plex? Do any of them overdub? So without giving away any secrets (I don+t have any anyway) here are a couple of my other techniques: For DJ type purposes I use the Echoplex (expanded to 130 sec. of memory) to sample other artist+s CD+s. I have been "remixing" material from Massive Attack, Beck, Olive, etc. I totally change the structure of the songs, and often overdub subtle touches like extra drums, elec. piano parts, or Sitar samples. I work very quickly, and its fun to "play god" and choose when the next section will come around. If you like a particular drum break you can cut to it every other measure if you want. For my original works I use the +plex to build my basic loop (which occasionally start with a sample of some sort - but that is less often that not.) I then copy to other loops and build them adding bass lines, multiple keyboard overdubs, guitar, drums (from my R-70 drum machine played live into the machine - no more static drum machine programming - hooray!) I then create new loops for transitions, a "Chorus" - not necessarily a strict Chorus, mind you. I tell you I+ve never had more fun with my bass than experimenting with multiple variations of a bass line. The hardest part is deciding which one to ultimately use. Once all nine loops are filled I record straight to a cassette, usually improvising a few parts in the process. - a synth or organ lead, more samples, even some spoken word parts from a video cassette. If someone comes by who can actually sing, they+ll sing live as I record. This way the end result seems less like a succession of loops, and more like a finished song.. There is something thrilling about playing while the red light is on. If I make a *mistake* there+s always the rewind button. Despite the trade-offs of working this way, I find this method MUCH faster and more satisfying than using a multi- track recorder. I apologize for boring anyone who already works using similar methods. In the interest of spreading some new ideas around it is my hope that everyone get as much out of this very powerful machine as possible. Tom Rupolo "The Trance Lounge King" Rupolot@bdd.com ('till 11/7) From ???@??? Sun Nov 02 00:08:14 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 1 17:29:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRorB-0007Vh-00; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 17:29:37 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCE703.DCFFC8C0@jbrainin@interactive.net> From: Jonathan Brainin To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Philadelphia Loop Show 1998 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 20:22:21 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4008 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dm834D.A.bjG.8Y9W0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1029 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 17:29:37 -0800 X-UIDL: 2e8cebe011f57923a51e0f973270c4b6 Hi there. I think I'd like to take a shot at performing this time around. Probably would use both my Parker Fly w/ GK2a and my newly acquired (used) 8 string Warr guitar. Check out my profile for the balance of the gear. As far as musical direction is concerned, who knows where things might go in the next 4 or 5 months. Jonathan Brainin jbrainin@interactive.net From ???@??? Sun Nov 02 00:08:15 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 1 17:31:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRosv-0007hZ-00; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 17:31:25 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCE704.3B9C0F60@jbrainin@interactive.net> From: Jonathan Brainin To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Philadelphia Loop Show 1998 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 20:24:58 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4008 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCE704.3BA53720" Resent-Message-ID: <"-BOyY.A.zxG.cb9W0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1030 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 17:31:25 -0800 X-UIDL: cb32eb723a0b3d6f1b45efc52323a27c OOPS! That was supposed to be a private post. I hate reply-to address brain fade. Jonathan Brainin jbrainin@interactive.net > > > > On Saturday, November 01, 1997 8:22 PM, Jonathan Brainin > [SMTP:jbrainin@interactive.net] wrote: > > Hi there. I think I'd like to take a shot at performing this > > time around. Probably would use both my Parker Fly w/ > > GK2a and my newly acquired (used) 8 string Warr guitar. > > > > Check out my profile for the balance of the gear. As far > > as musical direction is concerned, who knows where things > > might go in the next 4 or 5 months. From ???@??? Sun Nov 02 00:08:19 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 1 20:07:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRrJV-00065h-00; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 20:07:01 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971101230118.007c3340@popmail.voicenet.com> X-Sender: floyd@popmail.voicenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 23:01:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: RE: Philadelphia Loop Show 1998 In-Reply-To: <01BCE704.3B9C0F60@jbrainin@interactive.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_878461278==_" Resent-Message-ID: <"SNRDgC.A.QbF._r_W0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1031 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 20:07:01 -0800 X-UIDL: c35ac99103987cd6cb6acb685e333aac At 08:24 PM 11/1/97 -0500, you wrote: > >OOPS! That was supposed to be a private post. >I hate reply-to address brain fade. > >Attachment Converted: "C:\INTERNET\EUDORA\ATTACH\RE Philadelphia Loop Show 1998" > And what was that attchement all about? Are you using some sort of microsoft email program? Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="RE Philadelphia Loop Show 1998" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="RE Philadelphia Loop Show 1998" Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:RE Philadelphia Loop Show 1998 (????/----) (00020385) From ???@??? Sun Nov 02 12:47:40 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 2 04:37:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRzHZ-0000FM-00; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 04:37:33 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971102153228.006c4e68@mail.dlc.fi> X-Sender: boppo@mail.dlc.fi (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 15:32:28 +0100 To: From: Bopster Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"yET-5C.A.oDH.gJHX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1032 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 04:37:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 9ed3592186e1f7b3df416e09e2bbbae4 Loopers, friends, fellows! I've been a lurker on this list for 'bout a month now and to convince myself that I'm not a *complete* nerd I decided that I had to contribute something. So here goes: The reason i originally joined in on this digest was to learn something about looping, anything about looping. when I subscribed last month, I knew nothing more than what the word implied and that it was used by Mr Fripp in several records, including the much loved "That which passes". Being somewhat of a musician (vocalist and emergency keyboardist in a rock band currently going weird, much to my amusement), I decided I had to learn how to do this cool thing that I didn't know anything about. So, I read about tape loops, digital loops, and so on. After I thought I had an idea abou this looping business I went and tested a zoom 508, and was convinced that it is an enchanted pedal. The testing was made with pops, smacks and other weird noises you make with your mouth that were made into a rhytmic loop, three tones (the C-major chord) and, over that a finnish Kalevala chant (which was not looped). But, alas, 4 seconds is not enough! What couldn't I do with 8 or even 16!!! So, here is my dilemma: Where to get an 8/16 sec looping device fairly cheaply (under $500 [=2500 FIM])? Being a student, a trip out of scandinavia is quite out of the question. Mail order perhaps? What I want is nothing overly fancy, it would be nice to be able to store a couple of loops on the device, perhaps reversing them, perhaps even something extra nice 'n cool. So, please tell me (I think by private email, this discussion probably doesn't dazzle any of the more experienced loopers with either originality or relevance), what device would suit me that's available either in Finland or by mail order. Thank you very much for making music relevant, John Soderholm (boppo@dlc.fi) P.S. If anybody happens to see a band called pHosDIc having a gig somewhere please come in and enjoy yourself. From ???@??? Sun Nov 02 12:47:42 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 2 07:25:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xS1tt-0002UW-00; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 07:25:17 -0800 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 10:19:55 -0500 (EST) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <971102101909_-1258451572@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Resent-Message-ID: <"yC3PN.A.1GC.ipJX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1033 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 07:25:17 -0800 X-UIDL: f6a4754a19605466158817c22b075b58 To John Soderholm: <> Besides the newly available 8-Sec-delay (w/4-sec. reverse) DOD FX-98 (+/-US$100), with which I plan to replace MY Zoom 508--since as a vocalist you're not typically using both hands to play into the looper, I'd suggest you look seriously at the new Boss Dr. Sample SP-202, (+/-US$320), which can be expanded to phrase-sample into the minute range, and has real-time filters and ring modulation, pitch adjust, beat adjust, sample editing, sample storage on SmartMedia cards...looks very powerful, fun, and not very expensive. dpc From ???@??? Sun Nov 02 12:47:43 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 2 07:34:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xS22c-0003AZ-00; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 07:34:18 -0800 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 10:28:31 -0500 (EST) From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <971102102646_2058542812@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Resent-Message-ID: <"7zxqWD.A.ImC.lxJX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1034 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 07:34:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 6893447e92ec0da309606aac35a50ef5 i would keep the zoom 508. i love mine. i love that you can tap the delay time. i love the 4 second sampler. i love that you can program it just like a rack unit. this baby is awesome!! =-) PJ p.s. sorry for being so silly a couple days ago. From ???@??? Sun Nov 02 12:47:46 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 2 08:39:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xS33W-0005uF-00; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 08:39:18 -0800 From: djdowling@earthlink.net Message-ID: <345CAC9B.5DDC@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 11:38:51 -0500 Reply-To: djdowling@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:boomerang References: <971102102646_2058542812@emout07.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_h09a.A.lIF.JtKX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1035 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 08:39:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 9d1a4a56e63ca5d8617f6f5e62596ce8 A few weeks ago Trey Gunn from King Crimson sent a list of gear for sale to some of us from the Elephant Talk newsletter, included was the boomerang. My phome line was down for two days and by the time I responded to him he had sold it "yesterday". I have been kicking myself (and Bell Atlantic) since. Anybody out there have a Boomerang (4 mbyte) they want to part with for less than retail price? Dave From ???@??? Mon Nov 03 00:55:46 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 2 18:40:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSCR4-0002bn-00; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 18:40:14 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <"PLvPOD.A.ISB.ldOX0"@ferret> References: Conversation <"PLvPOD.A.ISB.ldOX0"@ferret> with last message <"PLvPOD.A.ISB.ldOX0"@ferret> Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Chris Darrow" Subject: Re: Closing the loop Date: Sun, 02 Nov 97 09:25:29 PST Content-Type: text/plain; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Q5_snD.A.67B.hgTX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1039 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 18:40:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 1c8ac83c39cc410c7bb376f0b27ae01e Greetings from an eavsdroper. I have three questions about the EP and a statement for Oberheim. (Please forgive the misspellings, dislexic not stupid.) Question 1: While investigating what it would take to upgrade the pitifull 4 meg of ram in my older 486 IBM, I was told that sometimes, when adding simms, they can work at different speeds even though they are supposedly the exact same type. In other words, it is better to replace all of the memory insted of just adding to it. Is the same true of the echoplex? Will I possibly run into problems by expanding the memory myself, which is much cheeper and easier? Can anyone provide me with the full technical specifications needed to avoid any conflict between old memory and new? Question 2: Well, I guess I'll need to tell you a bit of my story for this... I've been waiting for 3 echoplexes for almost a year now. All I can say is that Oberheim really has the delay part down! Yet I've never toyed with one myself. Crazy? No. Calculated. There's nothing beter. I know how they work by thinking about them, or how they should work. What I want to know is: Am I right? I want to play bass, guitar, and sax at the same time. Actually, it goes further than that. The sax will be played through a mike that can be used for a snare drum, harp, vocals or anything else (how is the static build up for overdubs by mic?). I'll switch from guitar to keys via an A+B footswitch. A Roland PMA will begin some songs or provide a bridge to keep things interesting. Three units are needed to A)seporate the diferent sounds so that each has its own stereo amplification specifically for it's tonal region, ie; bass to a bass cab. and B) so that I can start a short loop, build a longer one on another unit, then alter the first or dittle with the third. Also for changing from tune to tune using the reverse of this process. So the ultimate question is, will I be able to synch and close the loops between three units on the fly? Or will I be forced to slave them? If it is a matter of physical coordination, I think I can. I've been stomping on an invisible box for mounths. (A row of pennies suffices) Also, practicing matching notes with left hand tapping on guitar and right hand on keys or sax. Or sax and keys. All just tricks really, but fun. SO, I can use any advice I can get as to whether or not I'm looking at these things correctly . Can they really do it? Can I really do it? And on a... well, spiritual note, I guess, why does this delay have to happen at a point in my life where I have every other element and instrument around me but the Plex, AND, as my self confidence in music as an ocupation dwindles I am forced to draw deeper on my conviction that I am waiting for something that is RIGHT. That it will pay dividends. Perhaps I am not expressing myself well. At any rate, any stories of instinct, of perserverance when everyone else thinks you are mad would be apreciated as well. Publically or privatlly. Question 3: Kim. Why no "Previous Loop" button? Is there at least a mode which will limmit the possble loops from 1 to 2, or even to 3, so that "Next Loop" gets you back to 1 without going through dead loops? I'm I thinking of it wrong? Most conventional songs are in one to three parts. So I assume there is some way to mimic this, if one chooses, on the Plex. Statement to Oberheim: This relates to question 2 in the sence that there is nothing better than the Plex that I know about. Nothing with more memory, fidelity, and, most important, freedom. This will not last forever. Therefor you are in a race. And yet I sympothize with trying to clean up a mess that someone else began. (I actually would like to know about the history of the mess, so if you have time, e-mail me as to who fucked up.) At any rate, what I want to say here is this: Get it right. I, the consumer, is grudgingly willing to wait for a flawless, remarkable peice of musical technology. I agree that you should "Ship no Oberheim before it's time!" I don't want any of the problems I have heard about. This, I know, takes time. But I hope nobody gets the jump on you in the inturm because I really like the intuitive way you've layed things out. And I always root for the underdog. Also, please provide REALISTIC schedual of delivery. For everyone. At all times. Even if it costs you. Thank you. Much support. Don't let the nice guy finish last. Chris. sound@soli.inav.net ---------- > Hello all -- > > Some thoughts I'd like to make here... > > As I posted previously a couple of days ago, in reviewing the information > I provided for Oberheim, I detected some serious inaccuracies and > inconsistencies in the information I provided them for trying to detect > the anomaly in my unit. I don't know how much this contributed to the > delay I recieved in getting my unit back, and at this point I doubt I ever > will. What I am doing is choosing to return the other check, which was > originally sent to Gibson (and subsequently sent back to me), back to > Oberheim in the interest of trying to make reparations for the confusion > which has ensued and help realize the expenses incurred in their efforts > to help me. If anyone at Oberheim feels any other steps should be taken, > I'll happily speak to them in private or public about it, and I certainly > apologize for any contributions to the current confusion which I may have > made. > > Since at least some of the confusion with my situation could very likely > have stemmed from my lack of clarity, it seems to me at this point that it > would be unfair to use my particular case as a litmus test for Oberheim's > current state of organization and customer service (though it must be > admitted that strictly from an intention point of view, Tom and Pat were > definitely on the right track). I do get the impression that the company > is presently in very good hands. > > The noise anomaly has been tracked down and explained. I lack the > necessary technical skills or expertise to do so, but it will shortly be > made available; owing to the fact I've never heard anyone else notice it > or complain about it, it's fair to say it's minor enough to not warrant a > problem for anyone else. If nothing else, I must thank Oberheim for being > able to eliminate the possibility of its being a circuitry problem as a > result of their swapping all of the internal electronics. > > As one of the very few people who has thus far been priveleged enough > to use the upgrade, I can report that it's a very welcome addition to the > Echoplex. The whole thing seems to run a little bit more smoothly, and > some of the minor bugs which had been annoying in the past are happily > absent from the current software. Anyone who has any interest in looping > (including anybody on this list) owes it to themselves to investigate the > Echoplex, especially in its newer, sleeker format. > > One thing that's been driven home to me over the last week is the fact > that what we do, and the companies which help produce the tools which make > what we do possible to a large extent, all exists on a significantly > smaller scale than what one might initially presume. This isn't > big-business corporate commerce -- it's fringe technology and creativity, > being fostered by both musicians and manufacturers who often are not that > far away from being unable to continue their efforts in this realm. > > Whether we like it or not, I've come to the conclusion that those of us on > this list (and, in a more general sense, those of us within this musical > and creative community, both on-line and elsewhere) have a certain > responsibilityto and for one another. Without customer support, the > products can't continue to be made or distributed; without company > support, consumers and professionals will find themselves frightened at > the prospect of getting into the game. In an on-line forum, these > relationships tend to be magnified and intensified far beyond where they > might go in the real world, and this has the potential for abuse. I've > been guilty of that in the recent past, and I apologize for that. Other > people have as well, and they have in general admitted as such. > > This is a pivotal time for Oberheim -- they're under new management, and > preparing to ship a version of a new product which customers have been > anxiously awaiting for at least two years. I certainly hope that my > comments have not swayed anyone from considering investigation into the > Echoplex, and I will reiterate that the unit is in a class all its own in > terms of the depth and breadth of what it can do. Take what's said in > this forum for what it's worth, but ultimately, track down one of the > units and see for yourself what it can do. > > My thanks for Oberheim for their efforts in the past and present, and my > wishes for ongoing success and longevity. > > --Andre > From ???@??? Sun Nov 02 12:47:51 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 2 10:44:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xS50o-0003lZ-00; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 10:44:38 -0800 X-Sender: nicomonguzzi@mail.vtx.ch Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 19:21:06 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "nicomonguzzi" Subject: Re: Questions and techniques Resent-Message-ID: <"nBR7rB.A.GRD.XjMX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1036 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 10:44:38 -0800 X-UIDL: b677fb182adae03edcf5dd5d54372864 hello, i use to "save" some material to loop on a MiniDisc. I think MiniDisc are good because they're fast acces and you can edit the different tracks, and are less expensive than samplers (obviously with a sampler you can make a millions more things, but that it's another history...). I also use MiniDisc to have fast access to material that i recorded from CDs, with the repeat function on MiniDisc you can make a sort of not-enough-precise-but-not-too-bad loop. I use this to sample (with Jamman), hearing a sort of loop from MiniDisc facilitate me the task to sample short sounds or phrases. have a nice loop. ciao, nicos >I+m writing with two questions for the list, one is somewhat specific >and one is a bit more general. Lastly, I was asked to share some of my >other techniques to hopefully inspire fellow loopers. I+m about to lose >my access to email for a while so I want to get this out while I+m still >hooked up. > >First for the general question: > >1) How many loopers save their loops and how? This would have been a >good question for the survey a number of weeks back, but I just thought >of it now. I use a plain ol+ cassette deck, but I wonder how many of >you use DAT+s, a sampler, or some other digital storage device like a >zip drive (if that+s even possible.) I'm thinking about getting a DAT >but wondering if I should shell out $700-800 without considering >alternatives. > From ???@??? Sun Nov 02 12:47:53 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 2 11:53:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xS650-0006qI-00; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 11:53:02 -0800 Message-ID: <345CD918.5B5E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 14:48:40 -0500 From: DENNIS PISKO Reply-To: pisko@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Jam Man: sell or trade References: <199710311349.IAA04440@newman.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WOiDXB.A.KIG.ojNX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1037 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 11:53:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 3a6191480e23e1d722aa6089f480d617 Tom Lambrecht wrote: > > At 12:38 PM 10/23/97 -0500, you wrote: > >I have a pristine Jam Man with 32 second upgrade that is gathering dust and > would be put to much better use by somebody else. I am most interested in > trading it for a midi sound module that would work nicely with a midi guitar > controller (Shadow 075). I do not know what a reasonable selling price > would be, so I could use some feedback on that as well. > > > >Thanks > > > > Greg > > I' m seriously interested in the Jamman--please let me know how we can > handle shipping and payment (COD UPS okay?) I dont have anything to swap, > but would pay cash $ 250 to $300, depending on condition and manuals being > there. > > thanks, Tom > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net If the price is right I would be intrested. I don't rember what I saw them for new I think it was about $300-$350. Do you have the book and or controler? From ???@??? Sun Nov 02 15:02:16 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 2 12:54:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xS72v-0001gv-00; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:54:57 -0800 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:50:20 -0800 (PST) From: Andre LaFosse To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Closing the loop Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"PLvPOD.A.ISB.ldOX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1038 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:54:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 4816048965aa937ddbf62addd282042e Hello all -- Some thoughts I'd like to make here... As I posted previously a couple of days ago, in reviewing the information I provided for Oberheim, I detected some serious inaccuracies and inconsistencies in the information I provided them for trying to detect the anomaly in my unit. I don't know how much this contributed to the delay I recieved in getting my unit back, and at this point I doubt I ever will. What I am doing is choosing to return the other check, which was originally sent to Gibson (and subsequently sent back to me), back to Oberheim in the interest of trying to make reparations for the confusion which has ensued and help realize the expenses incurred in their efforts to help me. If anyone at Oberheim feels any other steps should be taken, I'll happily speak to them in private or public about it, and I certainly apologize for any contributions to the current confusion which I may have made. Since at least some of the confusion with my situation could very likely have stemmed from my lack of clarity, it seems to me at this point that it would be unfair to use my particular case as a litmus test for Oberheim's current state of organization and customer service (though it must be admitted that strictly from an intention point of view, Tom and Pat were definitely on the right track). I do get the impression that the company is presently in very good hands. The noise anomaly has been tracked down and explained. I lack the necessary technical skills or expertise to do so, but it will shortly be made available; owing to the fact I've never heard anyone else notice it or complain about it, it's fair to say it's minor enough to not warrant a problem for anyone else. If nothing else, I must thank Oberheim for being able to eliminate the possibility of its being a circuitry problem as a result of their swapping all of the internal electronics. As one of the very few people who has thus far been priveleged enough to use the upgrade, I can report that it's a very welcome addition to the Echoplex. The whole thing seems to run a little bit more smoothly, and some of the minor bugs which had been annoying in the past are happily absent from the current software. Anyone who has any interest in looping (including anybody on this list) owes it to themselves to investigate the Echoplex, especially in its newer, sleeker format. One thing that's been driven home to me over the last week is the fact that what we do, and the companies which help produce the tools which make what we do possible to a large extent, all exists on a significantly smaller scale than what one might initially presume. This isn't big-business corporate commerce -- it's fringe technology and creativity, being fostered by both musicians and manufacturers who often are not that far away from being unable to continue their efforts in this realm. Whether we like it or not, I've come to the conclusion that those of us on this list (and, in a more general sense, those of us within this musical and creative community, both on-line and elsewhere) have a certain responsibilityto and for one another. Without customer support, the products can't continue to be made or distributed; without company support, consumers and professionals will find themselves frightened at the prospect of getting into the game. In an on-line forum, these relationships tend to be magnified and intensified far beyond where they might go in the real world, and this has the potential for abuse. I've been guilty of that in the recent past, and I apologize for that. Other people have as well, and they have in general admitted as such. This is a pivotal time for Oberheim -- they're under new management, and preparing to ship a version of a new product which customers have been anxiously awaiting for at least two years. I certainly hope that my comments have not swayed anyone from considering investigation into the Echoplex, and I will reiterate that the unit is in a class all its own in terms of the depth and breadth of what it can do. Take what's said in this forum for what it's worth, but ultimately, track down one of the units and see for yourself what it can do. My thanks for Oberheim for their efforts in the past and present, and my wishes for ongoing success and longevity. --Andre From ???@??? Mon Nov 03 00:55:49 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 2 20:31:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSEAk-0000wE-00; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 20:31:30 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971102202544.0069fa80@mail.transport.com> X-Sender: mgriffin@mail.transport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 20:25:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "M. Griffin" Subject: Torn - "...Solid, Traveller?" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"r8BtSD.A.Re.HJVX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1040 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 20:31:30 -0800 X-UIDL: cfb8bd04429e33768fc7b2e14cdaa6ed Hi all, Not long ago, someone on this list mentioned that they were looking for a copy of David Torn's "What Means Solid, Traveller?" which is now out of print. I've been weeding out some stuff from my collection, and I have a copy of this title that I think I'm ready to let go of. Will consider selling it, but I'd prefer to hear trade offers... Thanks, Mike | ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' | | h y p n o s r e c o r d i n g s | | e m a i l : mgriffin@hypnos.com | | web site at http://www.hypnos.com | | - - - - - - - - | | j e f f g r e i n k e , t h e | | o f f i c i a l w e b s i t e | | at: http://www.hypnos.com/greinke | | ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' | From ???@??? Mon Nov 03 10:07:47 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 3 06:28:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSNUK-0000nL-00; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 06:28:20 -0800 Message-Id: <97Nov3.081726cst.26886@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:16:26 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re: Closing the loop Cc: pmurphy@gibson.com, kpaul@gibson.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"0gEBM.A.kJ.W2dX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1041 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 06:28:20 -0800 X-UIDL: a330e9e515c340f26f771de31b5ddfe4 Andre- My sincere thanks for your ongoing efforts. I would definitely be interested in the learning the cause of your noise problem. If it is not a design anomaly, I think it would certainly merit a mention in a revised owner's manual. I agree with you that at the scale we are operating at, the relationship between manufacturer and end user is crucial. For example, even though the JamMan was an excellent product at an excellent price, Lexicon chose to discontinue it. We at Oberheim are probably no less bottom-line conscious than Lexicon, but we are determined to keep the Echoplex in production, and in fact maybe even expand the line(!). >From postings I have observed, the Customer Service people at Lexicon are still answering questions, even though the product is no longer made. This is a testament to the caliber of their organization and to the fact that all "big"companies are made up of some people who care and some who do not, (or can not). It is with the continued support and critiques from the power user's on this list that Oberheim will persevere. Thanks again, Andre, for pointing that out. Enjoy your update, and thank Kim and Co. for all of it's benefits. Tom At 02:50 PM 11/2/97 -0600, you wrote: >Hello all -- > >Some thoughts I'd like to make here... > >As I posted previously a couple of days ago, in reviewing the information >I provided for Oberheim, I detected some serious inaccuracies and >inconsistencies in the information I provided them for trying to detect >the anomaly in my unit. I don't know how much this contributed to the >delay I recieved in getting my unit back, and at this point I doubt I ever >will. What I am doing is choosing to return the other check, which was >originally sent to Gibson (and subsequently sent back to me), back to >Oberheim in the interest of trying to make reparations for the confusion >which has ensued and help realize the expenses incurred in their efforts >to help me. If anyone at Oberheim feels any other steps should be taken, >I'll happily speak to them in private or public about it, and I certainly >apologize for any contributions to the current confusion which I may have >made. > >Since at least some of the confusion with my situation could very likely >have stemmed from my lack of clarity, it seems to me at this point that it >would be unfair to use my particular case as a litmus test for Oberheim's >current state of organization and customer service (though it must be >admitted that strictly from an intention point of view, Tom and Pat were >definitely on the right track). I do get the impression that the company >is presently in very good hands. > >The noise anomaly has been tracked down and explained. I lack the >necessary technical skills or expertise to do so, but it will shortly be >made available; owing to the fact I've never heard anyone else notice it >or complain about it, it's fair to say it's minor enough to not warrant a >problem for anyone else. If nothing else, I must thank Oberheim for being >able to eliminate the possibility of its being a circuitry problem as a >result of their swapping all of the internal electronics. > >As one of the very few people who has thus far been priveleged enough >to use the upgrade, I can report that it's a very welcome addition to the >Echoplex. The whole thing seems to run a little bit more smoothly, and >some of the minor bugs which had been annoying in the past are happily >absent from the current software. Anyone who has any interest in looping >(including anybody on this list) owes it to themselves to investigate the >Echoplex, especially in its newer, sleeker format. > >One thing that's been driven home to me over the last week is the fact >that what we do, and the companies which help produce the tools which make >what we do possible to a large extent, all exists on a significantly >smaller scale than what one might initially presume. This isn't >big-business corporate commerce -- it's fringe technology and creativity, >being fostered by both musicians and manufacturers who often are not that >far away from being unable to continue their efforts in this realm. > >Whether we like it or not, I've come to the conclusion that those of us on >this list (and, in a more general sense, those of us within this musical >and creative community, both on-line and elsewhere) have a certain >responsibilityto and for one another. Without customer support, the >products can't continue to be made or distributed; without company >support, consumers and professionals will find themselves frightened at >the prospect of getting into the game. In an on-line forum, these >relationships tend to be magnified and intensified far beyond where they >might go in the real world, and this has the potential for abuse. I've >been guilty of that in the recent past, and I apologize for that. Other >people have as well, and they have in general admitted as such. > >This is a pivotal time for Oberheim -- they're under new management, and >preparing to ship a version of a new product which customers have been >anxiously awaiting for at least two years. I certainly hope that my >comments have not swayed anyone from considering investigation into the >Echoplex, and I will reiterate that the unit is in a class all its own in >terms of the depth and breadth of what it can do. Take what's said in >this forum for what it's worth, but ultimately, track down one of the >units and see for yourself what it can do. > >My thanks for Oberheim for their efforts in the past and present, and my >wishes for ongoing success and longevity. > >--Andre > > > From ???@??? Mon Nov 03 10:07:53 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 3 07:29:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSORa-00042T-00; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 07:29:34 -0800 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:21:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711031521.KAA28669@user1.channel1.com> X-Sender: seahorse@user1.channel1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: Re: Looping/Theater perf. in Boston Resent-Message-ID: <"PVy0_.A.9QD.LweX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1042 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 07:29:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 7f14757d7e64ef7b65a22b5206e05b57 Hello, David, We have a cassette as Dreamchild called Gates To The Sea which has a VG/wire-strung harp/vocal trio piece on it as well as a lot of VG8. voice and bass stuff. We are working on a soundtrack to Masks of Odysseus as well, which will have more of same and all the spoken word stuff as well. There's information on all this at our website at http://www.channel1.com/users/seahorse. We are also working on a lot of new material with the harp and VG8. That material should be available in the late spring. (Masks in early spring). The time delay is due to my performing as co-writer, recording engineer and mix master. I'll keep you posted on new stuff. Frank ComAt 09:24 AM 10/31/97 EST, you wrote: >Hey, Frank... >Have you got any tapes or CDs? I'd love to hear a VG-8/wire-strung harp duo! >dpc > > > From ???@??? Mon Nov 03 22:08:57 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 3 15:26:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSVsX-0000u9-00; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:25:53 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:40:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: Philadelphia Loop Show 1998 Resent-Message-ID: <"tOYalC.A.pKH.WtlX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1047 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:25:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 66ebdee3dce653b099ae17e5d00753d6 Hi Jim, We are definately interested in doing the lOOp Show 1998. Please count us in. Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Mon Nov 03 10:07:56 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 3 08:03:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSOyb-0006BD-00; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:03:41 -0800 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:58:07 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: darcyc@srvr5.engin.umich.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Darcy Clark Subject: New Looping Hardware (?) Resent-Message-ID: <"7pBNQD.A.jYF.VSfX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1043 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:03:41 -0800 X-UIDL: e7d4e552ddf67405ea23513753d0ee02 Sorry to bring discussion down to a purely technical level, but I am curious as to how useful 'phrase samplers' are in a looping context (i.e., do they offer any advantages of the Jamman or Echoplex; what can't you do on phrase sampling units that you can on the afore-metioned devices) here's an example: http://www.rolandus.com/products/MI/MIboss_PS.html#SP-202 Darcy Clark +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Materials Science and Engineering Department University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2136 USA +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Room 2130, Dow Building Phone (313) 764 3377 Fax (313) 763 4788 E-mail darcyc@engin.umich.edu http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/mse250 http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/people/darcyc/ http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ???@??? Mon Nov 03 22:08:49 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 3 14:01:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSUYq-0007TB-00; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:01:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:50:38 -0500 (EST) From: Drumworker@aol.com Message-ID: <971103164654_-425553683@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JamMan Wanted Resent-Message-ID: <"rTX0hD.A.fAG.4dkX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1044 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:01:28 -0800 X-UIDL: c5a3a61725c06185ef23f360ab48d945 I will purchase a JamMan if I can find one. If you have one you'll sell or know where I can buy one, please contact me directly - Drumworker@aol.com Any leads are appreciated. Paul O. From ???@??? Mon Nov 03 22:08:52 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 3 14:34:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSV4Q-0003DT-00; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:34:06 -0800 From: "Type in your real name here" To: Subject: Re: Jam Man: sell or trade Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:19:50 -0600 Message-ID: <01bce8a6$9a5afa40$ce0753d1@greg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"SWlOvD.A.noB.V5kX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1045 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:34:06 -0800 X-UIDL: 0482bd4f5452821c81a64c7a293de338 Thanks - but it has been sold. Greg From ???@??? Mon Nov 03 22:08:52 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 3 14:34:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSV4U-0003Dw-00; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:34:10 -0800 Message-ID: <345E4EE8.5C08@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 17:23:36 -0500 From: DENNIS PISKO Reply-To: pisko@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan Wanted References: <971103164654_-425553683@emout11.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yodp9B.A.J3B.L7kX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1046 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:34:10 -0800 X-UIDL: dcbb5c02495e65923702155db9e5355e Drumworker@aol.com wrote: > > I will purchase a JamMan if I can find one. If you have one you'll sell or > know where I can buy one, please contact me directly - Drumworker@aol.com > > Any leads are appreciated. > > Paul O. I'm looking for one myself. From ???@??? Tue Nov 04 19:13:40 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 4 16:26:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xStJ3-0001V4-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:26:49 -0800 From: "Randy Jones" To: Subject: Re: Echo manual Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:18:44 -0600 Message-ID: <01bce8b7$360fde00$7f047fce@user.texas.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"yOTxEB.A.00.Su7X0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1057 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:26:49 -0800 X-UIDL: e9785afe4e4d34841a9cfb310d3664a0 Hello Here is my suggestion: Arrange all of the "things I like to do with my Echoplex" into a hypertexted database fashioned visually after the front panel of the Plex. By pressing a database cell, one would be transported to a series of webpages that have step by step instructions (explicit, please!) for creating something HUGE using that particular control button. Suggestions of "things I like to do..." could be listed by the function button they relate to the most, or one which express a unique use of that particular function. We need the continual living presentation that only on line hypertext, can provide, not the printed manual. Also, the cell titles should change colors with recent new entrys, so one could tell at a glance those items with new ideas. Authors should be recognized so that private emails could clarify any arcane processes. Thanks for your effort Tom, keep up the good work. Randy Jones -----Original Message----- From: Tom Spaulding To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, November 04, 1997 8:57 AM >Hello All- > >In preparation for the next production run of Echoplex units, I thought it >might be helpful to amend the Owner's Manual with any tips or tricks that >anyone may have discovered. I would like to have a chapter devoted to >applications of the Echoplex from all musician's who use it - DJ's, >percussionists, horns, woodwinds, strings, etc. We would compile these >techniques and either add them to the existing manual or publish a separate >User's Guide. Do you think this would be beneficial? Any thoughts on how >best to present the material? I would appreciate your help, and am eager to >hear from you. Thanks!! > >Tom > > From ???@??? Tue Nov 04 00:38:17 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 3 23:27:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSdOV-0006uC-00; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:27:23 -0800 Message-ID: <345ECE0F.3309@dmans.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 01:26:07 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New Looping Hardware (?) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Rrrev.A.CEG.czsX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1048 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:27:23 -0800 X-UIDL: 91f05140de34f87cf67182d628eb7591 Darcy Clark wrote: > > Sorry to bring discussion down to a purely technical level, but I am > curious as to how useful 'phrase samplers' are in a looping context (i.e., > do they offer any advantages of the Jamman or Echoplex; what can't you do > on phrase sampling units that you can on the afore-metioned devices) > > here's an example: > http://www.rolandus.com/products/MI/MIboss_PS.html#SP-202 Products like this are setup to record many samples or phrases and then string them together, sort of like a sequencer does with MIDI events, to create a song. As far as I know, they don't play multiple parts simultaneously, have pure loop functions such as multiply, or have foot controllers. IMHO the Boomerang Phrase Sampler, Echoplex DP, and Jamman are far more powerful tools for live performance by a single musician. Motley From ???@??? Tue Nov 04 10:25:34 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 4 06:56:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSkOh-0002Zs-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 06:56:03 -0800 Message-Id: <97Nov4.084448cst.26882@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:43:46 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"0s8ivB.A.plB.gSzX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1049 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 06:56:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 47638f1cd7bfba22b1df73fe14944c76 Hello All- In preparation for the next production run of Echoplex units, I thought it might be helpful to amend the Owner's Manual with any tips or tricks that anyone may have discovered. I would like to have a chapter devoted to applications of the Echoplex from all musician's who use it - DJ's, percussionists, horns, woodwinds, strings, etc. We would compile these techniques and either add them to the existing manual or publish a separate User's Guide. Do you think this would be beneficial? Any thoughts on how best to present the material? I would appreciate your help, and am eager to hear from you. Thanks!! Tom From ???@??? Tue Nov 04 10:25:36 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 4 07:26:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSkry-0004lm-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:26:18 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971104102349.0070ce7c@dharma.mitre.org> X-Sender: seligman@dharma.mitre.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 10:23:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Len Seligman Subject: Re: Echoplex user's guide In-Reply-To: <97Nov4.084448cst.26882@gateway.gibson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"9oRypD.A.F0D.vyzX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1050 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:26:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 5294cfb32bd6a425cb82f8252e883df8 At 08:43 AM 11/4/97 -0600, you wrote: >Hello All- > >In preparation for the next production run of Echoplex units, I thought it >might be helpful to amend the Owner's Manual with any tips or tricks that >anyone may have discovered. I would like to have a chapter devoted to >applications of the Echoplex from all musician's who use it - DJ's, >percussionists, horns, woodwinds, strings, etc. We would compile these >techniques and either add them to the existing manual or publish a separate >User's Guide. Do you think this would be beneficial? Any thoughts on how >best to present the material? I would appreciate your help, and am eager to >hear from you. Thanks!! > >Tom Tom, The user's guide is a great idea. I'd keep it separate from the manual, so it could be more informal, since I suspect that much of what appears in it will be anectodal lore from individual users (very valuable nevertheless!). One plea, though: please don't hold up production at all for the guide to be finished. Much better to get the units out and then make the guide available at a later date. Many of us are just *dying* to get our hands on our 'plexes, the sooner, the better. I've got a group in which two Brother Sync'd 'plexes are essential to the concept; we need to have two of them before we can gig. (Perhaps include a postcard order form in the box with units that are shipped before the guide is ready. It can also be made available over the web.) Thanks a lot! -Len From ???@??? Wed Nov 05 10:37:05 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 01:51:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xT273-00027t-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 01:51:01 -0800 From: "Salvatore Passaro" To: Subject: R: Jamman vs Echoplex: who wins? Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:42:33 +0100 Message-ID: <01bce938$444f0140$5a010196@passaro> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"KSGc1C.A.ZiB.K-DY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1061 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 01:51:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 407a48d33f2c9a28ecfd4eca952e9406 >At present, we do not have CE approval for the Echoplex, so we cannot >legally offer it in Europe. We are working on this, and when we do get CE >approval, the distributor for all of Europe is Viscount in Rimini (or >thereabouts), Italy. > >Ciao, > >Tom > Could I get it from USA? Is echoplex sold actually with loop III v5.0? I have had a bad experience two years ago in Italy, when the distributor wasn't Viscount. I bought two echoplex but none have gone well. It seemed a problem with the software. They gave back my money. Now that I thought to buy echoplex another time, it is very sad to listen that you say about CE approval. Bye, Salvatore Passaro. From ???@??? Tue Nov 04 10:25:50 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 4 10:13:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSnTz-0003YZ-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:13:43 -0800 X-Sender: nicomonguzzi@mail.vtx.ch Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:43:59 +0100 To: Loopers Delight * Mail List From: "nicomonguzzi" Subject: Jamman vs Echoplex: who wins? Resent-Message-ID: <"sqZWWD.A.cPC.RM2X0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1051 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:13:43 -0800 X-UIDL: bd09ed676bfed82fd38bd48a80d0e437 Hello all ! Just a few questions: all the messages about the echoplex are keeping my attention to this unit, i've dwnloaded the user's guide from the Oberheim site at http://www.Gibson.com , and i discovered a lot of cool things i can't do with my Jamman, so here's the questions: Which is the best ? The Echoplex is available in Europe? I'm waiting for any comments... ciao nicos From ???@??? Tue Nov 04 19:13:05 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 4 12:05:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSpDV-0004IW-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:04:49 -0800 From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Plex Pedals???? Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:33:54 -0500 Message-ID: <01bce950$346dd540$1905afcf@artmusic> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"n_bIe.A.b0C.F13X0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1053 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:04:49 -0800 X-UIDL: d37f19388bf122b797129075989b1457 While I wait for my Plex to be shipped, I have a few questions.... 1. What brand Volume/CC pedals do you use? 2. How many are needed to get the most out of the unit? 3. What parameters do they control? Thanks for any info- Dave EIchenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 "Better to be present with a bad note, than absent from a good one" -Robert Fripp From ???@??? Tue Nov 04 19:13:33 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 4 14:44:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSrhY-0006qU-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:44:00 -0800 X-Sender: paulpop@marlin.ssnet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Phd) Subject: Re: Jamman vs Echoplex: who wins? Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:03:58 -0800 Resent-Message-ID: <"B2Ng2B.A.GMF.jK6X0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1055 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:44:00 -0800 X-UIDL: e7590bcca7ec12c06f2ba03106df95a7 Please I emplore us not to go off on a rant about the relative merits of unit to unit again ... the last time we did this not only was it not useful but boring. Let's just leave it at economics at this point ... the JMan is no longer manufactured, difficult therefore to find one used, but if you do, it will be much less expensive than the still manufactured Echoplex, though the 'plex has more variety. At 6:43 PM 11/4/97, nicomonguzzi wrote: >Hello all ! >Just a few questions: >all the messages about the echoplex are keeping my attention to this unit, >i've dwnloaded the user's guide from the Oberheim site at >http://www.Gibson.com , and i discovered a lot of cool things i can't do >with my Jamman, so here's the questions: >Which is the best ? >The Echoplex is available in Europe? > >I'm waiting for any comments... > >ciao nicos °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°° Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. email = ppoplawski@state.de.us or paulpop@ssnet.com phone (service) = 302/737-4491 weekday office = 302/577-4980 From ???@??? Tue Nov 04 19:13:01 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 4 11:43:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSosn-0001o9-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:43:25 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <"PLvPOD.A.ISB.ldOX0"@ferret> Conversation <"PLvPOD.A.ISB.ldOX0"@ferret> with last message <"PLvPOD.A.ISB.ldOX0"@ferret> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:22:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: echoplex questions (was Closing the loop) Resent-Message-ID: <"gW38V.A.nK.cd3X0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1052 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:43:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 871c1583aee3bc34d988888aaf41e628 Chris - check the info on the website on the echoplex, I think many of your questions are answered in the FAQ there. I'll try to answer some here anyway: At 9:25 AM -0800 11/2/97, Chris Darrow wrote: >Question 1: While investigating what it would take to upgrade the pitifull >4 meg of ram in my older 486 IBM, I was told that sometimes, when adding >simms, they can work at different speeds even though they are supposedly >the exact same type. In other words, it is better to replace all of the >memory insted of just adding to it. Is the same true of the echoplex? Will >I possibly run into problems by expanding the memory myself, which is much >cheeper and easier? Can anyone provide me with the full technical >specifications needed to avoid any conflict between old memory and new? The echoplex uses 30 pin simms. It can take 256k, 1meg, and 4meg, and every variety should work. (parity or non-parity, 8-chip, 9-chip, 2-chip, 3-chip, whatever) The only speed requirement is that they be faster than 120ns, which is everything I think. There are four simm sockets, in 2 banks of 2. You need to install the memory in pairs, so each bank should have the same size simms. It probably doesn't matter if you mix different speeds, it's only size that counts. Memory is so cheap now, that you will likely just upgrade them to the maximum memory limit. The max is four 4 meg simms, which gives you 198 seconds. 4 meg simms are typically between $16 and $25 each. (Compared to when the plex was made, and those cost $250 each! a maxed echoplex was so decadent then...) >Question 2: Well, I guess I'll need to tell you a bit of my story for >this... I've been waiting for 3 echoplexes for almost a year now. All I can >say is that Oberheim really has the delay part down! Yet I've never toyed >with one myself. Crazy? No. Calculated. There's nothing beter. I know how >they work by thinking about them, or how they should work. What I want to >know is: Am I right? > I want to play bass, guitar, and sax at the same time. Actually, it >goes further than that. The sax will be played through a mike that can be >used for a snare drum, harp, vocals or anything else (how is the static >build up for overdubs by mic?). I'll switch from guitar to keys via an A+B >footswitch. A Roland PMA will begin some songs or provide a bridge to keep >things interesting. Three units are needed to A)seporate the diferent >sounds so that each has its own stereo amplification specifically for it's >tonal region, ie; bass to a bass cab. and B) so that I can start a short >loop, build a longer one on another unit, then alter the first or dittle >with the third. Also for changing from tune to tune using the reverse of >this process. So the ultimate question is, will I be able to synch and >close the loops between three units on the fly? Or will I be forced to >slave them? If it is a matter of physical coordination, I think I can. >I've been stomping on an invisible box for mounths. (A row of pennies >suffices) Also, practicing matching notes with left hand tapping on guitar >and right hand on keys or sax. Or sax and keys. All just tricks really, but >fun. What you are trying to do is exactly what BrotherSync is for. BrotherSync allows any of the units to define the time base, which the others then listen to. The other units can then have loop times that sync up exactly or are some multiple of the original. So you could do a 5 second loop on one to define the base time, and then a 10 second loop on the second, and a fifteen second loop on the third, etc. Each of the BrotherSynced units can be operated independently, by just you or multiple people. Also, you can sync to midi clock. So an external sequencer or something can generate midi clock, and the echoplexes can set their loop times to that and sync up to it. This doesn't mean they are slaved to anything, they just use the clock. echoplex also generates midi clock, so you can have the loop time set the tempo for a sequencer. Now if you want to slave them together over midi, you can do that too. You could also do a combination. So you could have two units set up as a master/slave pair for a stereo loop, syncing to midi clock from external or BrotherSynced to another echoplex or whatever. We spent a ton of time making sure this all works, by the way. You definitely want the upgraded software for the best results. >Question 3: Kim. Why no "Previous Loop" button? Is there at least a mode >which will limmit the possble loops from 1 to 2, or even to 3, so that >"Next Loop" gets you back to 1 without going through dead loops? I'm I >thinking of it wrong? Most conventional songs are in one to three parts. >So I assume there is some way to mimic this, if one chooses, on the Plex. Being unconventional people, we let you have anywhere from 1 to 9 loops. Why is 3 so special anyway? You set the number of loops you want between 1 and 9 with the "MoreLoops" parameter. There are a variety of ways to switch between loops, but yes you can switch between say loop 6 and loop 4 without going through all of the others in between. One way is by using the mode that synchronizes the loop switching to the end of the loop, so that you have a waiting period before you actually switch. During that time you press NextLoop until the one you want to go to is displayed, and then it goes there when you get to the end of the current loop. That works pretty well for this, as long as you don't use really short loops. During that wait time you can also set it up to copy audio or copy the time base into the new loop, or you can tell it to start a function when it gets there, like overdub or record or multiply or whatever. There is also a similar sort of sync mode called "confirm" that doesn't switch until you press the confirm button, which is undo in this instance. So you would press NextLoop until it displays the loop you want to go to, then press Undo to go there. The better way to switch loops to me is with midi, where you treat it more like a sampler. Then you can have a key on a keyboard for each loop, press it and jump there instantly. The fun thing there is that it is very sampler like. You can turn velocitity on, so that the loop volume is controlled by how hard you press the key on the keyboard. You can also set it so that instead of the loop going on and on, it is only on while you hold the key down. Or you can set it to just trigger the loop and play it once. (and retrigger each time you hit the key again, for stuttering effects) hope that answers your questions, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Nov 04 19:13:07 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 4 12:14:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSpMS-0005Mc-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:14:04 -0800 Message-Id: <97Nov4.140150cst.26883@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:01:13 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re: Jamman vs Echoplex: who wins? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"HVagNB.A.5nD.973X0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1054 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:14:04 -0800 X-UIDL: aec5dab9964e3404c0b6240504d2f019 Nico- There is no best, only what is best for you. I work for Gibson, my main guitar is a Tele. It has the sounds I need for most of the styles I am asked to play. When I need a Gibson sound, I use my ES-350T or Nighthawk. The Echoplex may be just what you need, less than you need, or more than you need. At present, we do not have CE approval for the Echoplex, so we cannot legally offer it in Europe. We are working on this, and when we do get CE approval, the distributor for all of Europe is Viscount in Rimini (or thereabouts), Italy. Ciao, Tom At 11:43 AM 11/4/97 -0600, you wrote: >Hello all ! >Just a few questions: >all the messages about the echoplex are keeping my attention to this unit, >i've dwnloaded the user's guide from the Oberheim site at >http://www.Gibson.com , and i discovered a lot of cool things i can't do >with my Jamman, so here's the questions: >Which is the best ? >The Echoplex is available in Europe? > >I'm waiting for any comments... > >ciao nicos > > > > > From ???@??? Tue Nov 04 19:13:37 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 4 15:13:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSsAS-00027i-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:13:52 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971104225756.0068bcec@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 14:57:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Jamman vs Echoplex: who wins? Resent-Message-ID: <"uH9yVD.A.QMB.Cp6X0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1056 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:13:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 5d868e73c4c55caa2fad09928fae6230 There is an echoplex/jamman feature comparison on the Looper's Delight web site, since lots of people seem to have this question. It could be more complete, but it should help you to see some of the differences between the two. (If anyone has suggestions to add to the comparison, by all means step forward....) kim At 02:01 PM 11/4/97 -0600, you wrote: >Nico- >There is no best, only what is best for you. I work for Gibson, my main >guitar is a Tele. It has the sounds I need for most of the styles I am >asked to play. When I need a Gibson sound, I use my ES-350T or Nighthawk. > >The Echoplex may be just what you need, less than you need, or more than >you need. > >At present, we do not have CE approval for the Echoplex, so we cannot >legally offer it in Europe. We are working on this, and when we do get CE >approval, the distributor for all of Europe is Viscount in Rimini (or >thereabouts), Italy. > >Ciao, > >Tom > > >At 11:43 AM 11/4/97 -0600, you wrote: >>Hello all ! >>Just a few questions: >>all the messages about the echoplex are keeping my attention to this unit, >>i've dwnloaded the user's guide from the Oberheim site at >>http://www.Gibson.com , and i discovered a lot of cool things i can't do >>with my Jamman, so here's the questions: >>Which is the best ? >>The Echoplex is available in Europe? >> >>I'm waiting for any comments... >> >>ciao nicos >> >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Nov 04 23:18:43 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 4 20:18:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSwv5-00052g-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:18:19 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bce950$346dd540$1905afcf@artmusic> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:07:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Plex Pedals???? Resent-Message-ID: <"hGmDC.A.NJE.nH_X0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1058 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:18:19 -0800 X-UIDL: 1d70df8b198f7bcd3554a5b902c425dc At 1:33 PM -0500 11/4/97, future perfect wrote: >While I wait for my Plex to be shipped, I have a few questions.... > >1. What brand Volume/CC pedals do you use? I use a Boss FV-50L for the feedback jack on the back. It works well. Although, something with a linear taper instead of audio might feel a little better for feedback, but it's not a big deal. It's fine when in delay or out mode, where that jack controls volumes. For CC, I use 2 Roland EV-5 pedals into a midi controller pedal, which generates the continuous controller messages. > >2. How many are needed to get the most out of the unit? > >3. What parameters do they control? The pedal in the back changes functions for different modes. In loop mode: feedback In Delay mode: input volume to the delay In Out mode: output volume from the loop you can use one midi CC to control Feedback and one to control Loop out volume. These work the same in any mode. I sort of like this way better, because I can have different pedal presets that set predefined feedback levels, or redefine the pedals for other effects. It also lets you control feedback and loop volume independently, with your feet. kim >Thanks for any info- >Dave EIchenberger > >********************************************************************* >'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: >http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 >"Better to be present with a bad note, than absent from a good one" -Robert >Fripp ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Nov 04 23:18:51 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 4 22:06:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSybZ-0004sD-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:06:17 -0800 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:00:36 -0800 (PST) From: Andre LaFosse To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Footpedal replacement parts Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"fO_2m.A.FKE.stAY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1059 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:06:17 -0800 X-UIDL: d3ed33b7bce6a446b9d9b3b4d79fbb93 Hello all -- I need technical specifications on exactly what part or parts need to be ordered in order to replace the Record switch on the Echoplex footpedal. In a strictly technical sense, what do I need to tell the casier at the local music store to order? I've also heard that metal switches can be used, which are somewhat more expensive (though, at the $2.00 price I've heard, it's hardly prohibitive) but are more sturdy than the plastic ones which come factory loaded. Any details on these? Again, it's the Record switch that I need to replace. I have an impending audition next Monday with the plex, and since I may have to special-order the part, I'd appreciate any info on what I need to track down (and where I might be most likely to find it) ASAP. Thanks in advance, --Andre From ???@??? Wed Nov 05 10:37:01 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 4 23:54:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xT0I4-0003z5-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 23:54:16 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 23:46:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Footpedal replacement parts Resent-Message-ID: <"IpSNqD.A.VUD.vSCY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1060 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 23:54:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 1d46b2835ce8bc8013dd849e6da28339 At 10:00 PM -0800 11/4/97, Andre LaFosse wrote: >Hello all -- > >I need technical specifications on exactly what part or parts need to be >ordered in order to replace the Record switch on the Echoplex footpedal. >In a strictly technical sense, what do I need to tell the casier at the >local music store to order? you're probably wasting your time to try and get it at a music store. Oberheim gets them from Mouser, which anybody can buy from. Mouser could fedex the switch to you tomorrow. I don't know the part number, I guess Oberheim could tell you. I think they only cost about $.50 or so. You could buy a bunch and have spares for life! http://www.mouser.com > I've also heard that metal switches can be >used, which are somewhat more expensive (though, at the $2.00 price I've >heard, it's hardly prohibitive) but are more sturdy than the plastic ones >which come factory loaded. Any details on these? The feel of the switch is very important, and all the switches I've tried are different. So just picking anything would be a shot in the dark as to whether it's right. It's critical for record, since you really need to feel when you contact to get the timing right. And the only way to know it's right is to put it in a footpedal and stomp on it a bunch of times. You probably don't want to mess with this right before an audition! I've never been able to come up with a good replacement to suggest for this sort of thing. I always end up back with the cheap red switch from mouser, which actually works quite well. I think I tried several made by Otto that were pretty good too. I keep hoping someone will discover the perfect switch and reveal it for all the rest of us.... And $2 would be a high volume price for industrial switches like these. The price to buy one would be much higher (and they might not be willing to even bother), unless you convince them that you are a major manufacturer and they give you free samples. (Of course I would never condone something like that.....) If you want to mess around with it, here are some good manufacturers to try: Otto 708-428-7171 http://www.ottoeng.com/pushbttn.html (lots of good ones) marquardt 315-655-8050 http://www.switches.com/ C&K 617-926-6400 http://www.ckcorp.com/ Switchcraft http://www.switchcraft.com/re/swc/ grayhill 708-354-1040 http://www.grayhill.com/products/pshbttn/pshbttn.htm a few distributors: Cal Switch: http://www.calswitch.com/ (links to lots of mfg with data sheets online) Digikey http://www.digikey.com/ Mouser: http://www.mouser.com/ Didn't have time to find websites for these guys: Arcolectric 818-700-1933 Carlingswitch 203-793-9281 Direct Sound Corp 617-542-9700 EAO 203-877-4577 E-Switch 612-375-9639 idec 408-747-0550 ITW 312-282-4040 lamb 503-297-8878 NKK 602-991-0942 hope this helps, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Nov 05 10:37:07 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 02:14:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xT2TP-0003bc-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 02:14:07 -0800 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 05:04:29 -0500 (EST) From: CORROSIVE@aol.com Message-ID: <971105014834_-1157793963@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Boomerang Reviews Resent-Message-ID: <"hu9MMD.A.ZlC.1TEY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1062 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 02:14:07 -0800 X-UIDL: aee3aaaef8249d3eb1a4cf5cc01d9f77 any owner reviews of the boomerang looper? I have the jamman & echoplex pro, but some of the boomerang features seem cool on paper... From ???@??? Wed Nov 05 10:37:10 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 02:44:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xT2wz-0005YB-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 02:44:41 -0800 Sender: camao@camsg001.camb.scee.sony.co.uk Message-ID: <34604CAB.446B@scee.sony.co.uk> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 10:38:35 +0000 From: Os X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Collective at Omsk Club, November 6th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UUqc2D.A.t5E.fzEY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1063 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 02:44:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 5466f8dd3183f1e179f92b74ad7c3aa9 A rather last-minute announcement: There will be plenty of looping going on, from the band Collective at the Omsk music/film/art club at 333 Old Street, London, on November 6th, 9pm - 3am. For more details: http://webworlds.net/os/collective/ http://www.backspace.org/volcano/omsk.html -- Os os@millennium.co.uk http://webworlds.net/os/ From ???@??? Wed Nov 05 10:37:50 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 10:20:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTA3m-0005PP-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:20:10 -0800 X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:18:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Fwd: loopers delight page Resent-Message-ID: <"TVAkL.A.sXE.RcLY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1064 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:20:10 -0800 X-UIDL: cef35e7a879ceac39d09f9a6f966042c I'm forwarding this post from yesterday regarding purchasing JamMan memory upgrade chips Later Ed >Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 22:34:39 -0500 >To: ejmd@erols.com >From: Harris Newman >Subject: loopers delight page >Hi - just an addition (if you're interested) for the JamMan page. I just >bought the 32 second memory upgrade from Visionsoft (www.visionsoft.com) >The 4 chips (micron MT4C4001JZ) were $7.95 each plus shipping. I shopped >around a fair bit, but I don't think anyone can beat $30 and change for the >whole deal. > >Harris > From ???@??? Wed Nov 05 10:37:52 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 10:30:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTADW-0006Zo-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:30:14 -0800 X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:24:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Fripp soundscapes In December Resent-Message-ID: <"h75QuC.A.c9E.XiLY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1065 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:30:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 5489a2907e0353af4eeb3c2ea6d5bde9 This was in the most recent Elephant Talk, regarding Soundscapes performances by Robert Fripp in December: > On the afternoon of Saturday 6th. December (14.30 - 17.00) there is >a Soundscapes performance in Newlyn Church, Cornwall, with artwork by John >Miller and Peter Willis, to benefit a local special needs learning group >which has had its funding cut. The group will perform following the >Soundscapes. > > The following day John Sinks, FOH and equipment tech, and myself >fly to Alexandria, Virginia, for a short tour of Soundscapes on the East >Coast. These are billed as: > >Fripp Alone - An Evening of Space Music > >The confirmed dates are: > > Wed. 10 Dec. Alexandria, VA Birchmere > Thur. 11 Dec. Philadelphia, PA Painted Bride Arts Center > Fri. 12 Dec. Philadelphia, PA Painted Bride Arts Center > Sat. 13 Dec. New York, NY Bottom Line > > It is likely that Boston will be added shortly. later Ed From ???@??? Wed Nov 05 10:37:53 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 10:37:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTAKC-0007Jx-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:37:08 -0800 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F2F50A0@MAIL> From: David Kirkdorffer To: 'Tom Spaulding' , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: EDP "Tips & Tricks" Pamphlet Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:26:49 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"afiimC.A.spF.coLY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1066 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:37:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 2dd5ec24d1954d7f3516633019ffa18f Adding a "tips and tricks" pamphlet - separate from the manual -- seems like a great idea to me. What a wonderful way to explore some of the many different EDP uses. I would suggest requesting limiting submissions to 1-page and using a standard format or categories to help keep information focused and complete. 1. Overview / What this set-up does 2. System Requirements Memory / Available Loop Time Internal Settings: Specific Presets 3. Other? 4. Other? 5. Here's what you do...(step-by-step instructions) 6. Name / e-mail of person submitting "tip"?? I remember a class in high-school which we all were asked to give step-by-step instructions to make a peanut butter sandwich. You'd think it was obvious. So did we. The teacher specified that we would get to eat what our instructions lead our partner to make. Initially, quite an incentive... Things got very messy and maybe 4-5 out of 20 or so kids got to each a decent sandwich. The rest of us asked if we could just clean up the mess we'd helped create rather than eat it... Moral: Giving instruction is hard. D. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Spaulding [SMTP:tspauldi@gibson.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 1997 9:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Hello All- In preparation for the next production run of Echoplex units, I thought it might be helpful to amend the Owner's Manual with any tips or tricks that anyone may have discovered. I would like to have a chapter devoted to applications of the Echoplex from all musician's who use it - DJ's, percussionists, horns, woodwinds, strings, etc. We would compile these techniques and either add them to the existing manual or publish a separate User's Guide. Do you think this would be beneficial? Any thoughts on how best to present the material? I would appreciate your help, and am eager to hear from you. Thanks!! Tom From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 02:08:49 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 13:36:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTD7W-0001j4-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:36:14 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971105162622.0071fb34@dharma.mitre.org> X-Sender: seligman@dharma.mitre.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 16:26:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Len Seligman Subject: Guitar rig advice wanted In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"amdREB.A.5J.rMOY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1067 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:36:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 31d66eb37bd7c2ee2c07d50f06c5dd15 I'm thinking putting an electric guitar and miscellaneous other things (guitar synth, mandolin with a transducer pickup, vocal mike) through a mixer, an Echoplex, and then on to a PA board. Question: is there any way to do this and have the electric guitar sound good? Currently, I have a '62 Strat that I play through an all tube Fender Hod Rod Deluxe and it sounds *great*. I play it with only a trace of distortion, and I love the sound. Is there any way to get anything remotely close without using a guitar amp? (I once used a SansAmp for recording purposes, and I thought the sound was bad compared to miking the guitar amp.) If not, then I fear the only thing I'll be able to loop will be my guitar, or else I'll have to send the other stuff through the guitar amp, which is not known for great sound for anything but a guitar. (I can't afford two Echoplexes for just me.) Thanks for any ideas you might have. -Len From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 02:08:57 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 14:08:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTDcy-0004wE-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:08:44 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971105215053.009bdaa0@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 13:50:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Guitar rig advice wanted Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"TM6v7C.A.VgD.juOY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1068 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:08:44 -0800 X-UIDL: 03fa3c6227414740f9bd4e6d69db5953 I'd say, keep using the fender amp for the guitar, disconnect the speaker, and run the speaker outputs to a THD Hotplate. The THD provides a speaker-like load for the amp so it still sounds and works right, and outputs a line level signal which you can run to your mixer, which goes to the looper, and then to the PA. That should keep your guitar sound reasonably close to what you have, while still giving you a full PA for the other stuff. Another idea is to get some sort of rack mount guitar preamp and run it into an ADA Ampulator, which seems to be the best thing for simulating tube power amps. Then you have a good sounding line level signal, which should play nice with the other stuff. You're on the right track, guitar amps don't really cut it for looping. The other half of it is when you have a loop running through the guitar amp, it interferes with any additional guitar and hurts the direct tone. kim At 04:26 PM 11/5/97 -0500, Len Seligman wrote: >I'm thinking putting an electric guitar and miscellaneous other things >(guitar synth, mandolin with a transducer pickup, vocal mike) through a >mixer, an Echoplex, and then on to a PA board. Question: is there any way >to do this and have the electric guitar sound good? Currently, I have a '62 >Strat that I play through an all tube Fender Hod Rod Deluxe and it sounds >*great*. I play it with only a trace of distortion, and I love the sound. >Is there any way to get anything remotely close without using a guitar amp? >(I once used a SansAmp for recording purposes, and I thought the sound was >bad compared to miking the guitar amp.) > >If not, then I fear the only thing I'll be able to loop will be my guitar, >or else I'll have to send the other stuff through the guitar amp, which is >not known for great sound for anything but a guitar. (I can't afford two >Echoplexes for just me.) > >Thanks for any ideas you might have. > >-Len > > > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 02:08:58 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 14:20:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTDoI-00069s-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:20:26 -0800 Date: 5 Nov 1997 22:10:24 -0000 Message-ID: <19971105221024.8534.qmail@omni1.voicenet.com> From: floyd@voicenet.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar rig advice wanted Resent-Message-ID: <"W9j_fD.A.k0E.i7OY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1069 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:20:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 45a89abe4d6403a51a3c9bf339beb768 What model SansAmp did you try? I have a rack-mount PSA-1 SansAmp and I love it. I found miking and Amp such a hassle and really was not happy with the results. Maybe after a year and a half I've forgotten what the sound of a real amp is like but.... I'm happy with the PSA-1. Perhaps it depends on the kind of sound you're expecting. From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 02:09:02 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 15:21:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTEli-0004NG-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:21:50 -0800 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:13:22 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar rig advice wanted In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971105162622.0071fb34@dharma.mitre.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"KVd43D.A.9GD.I0PY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1070 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:21:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 19969b6df77832d6f03ae3ec54041013 You could try making a "line out" for the guitar amp. It won't capture the sound of the speaker, but it should get the basic flavor of the amp, at least (it also won't silence the speaker, if that matters to you). Get a little project box. It needs on 1/4" jack going in, and two 1/4" jacks going out. The input jack should be connected to the regular speaker jack on your amp (use the same grade of wire for this that you would for speakers!). For the two output jacks, wire them in parallel. Put a 1000 ohm 5 watt resistor in series with one of the jacks. This is the line out. You should be able to plug it directly into mixers, effects, etc. Make sure the speaker is plugged into the other jack! It is bad for tube amps to not receive a proper load. This circuit should have negligible effect on the sound of your amp and speaker, and require no internal modifications that might hurt the value of your vintage amp. It also gets all the sound of the amp/speaker interaction and the power tubes, which is what makes classic amps sound so great. It won't get the last bit of "air" from the actual cone, but it's close. It'll cost you about ten bucks in parts at Radio Shack, and a little bit of time with a soldering iron, and requires almost NO electronics knowledge! Try it and see. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 02:09:01 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 15:21:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTElL-0004Kw-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:21:27 -0800 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:18:44 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar rig advice wanted In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971105215053.009bdaa0@pop.chromatic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"itOBQC.A.qHD.N0PY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1071 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:21:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 3a282296e5ac2c3279645db37d570017 On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Kim Flint wrote: > I'd say, keep using the fender amp for the guitar, disconnect the speaker, > and run the speaker outputs to a THD Hotplate. The THD provides a > speaker-like load for the amp so it still sounds and works right, and > outputs a line level signal which you can run to your mixer, which goes to > the looper, and then to the PA. That should keep your guitar sound > reasonably close to what you have, while still giving you a full PA for the > other stuff. Kim's solution is better. Mine is cheaper. :} The Marshall Powerbrake works well, too, as do some other products. Those are best if you don't want to hear the original speaker at all, which may well be true for looping. > You're on the right track, guitar amps don't really cut it for looping. The > other half of it is when you have a loop running through the guitar amp, it > interferes with any additional guitar and hurts the direct tone. That's the nice thing about both solutions offered... neither one uses a guitar effects loop, which usually doesn't sound taht great. Both can go straight to stereo power amps, mixers, etc. You can try my solution along with a big 8 ohm non-inductive resistor for a speaker load, but it won't sound much like a real speaker. Speakers are inductive, capacitative, and generate back EMF which influences the sound of the amp itself. :( -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 02:09:08 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 16:57:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTGG7-0006FT-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:57:19 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCEA23.789C5EC0@jbrainin@interactive.net> From: Jonathan Brainin To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Guitar rig advice wanted Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:20:06 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4008 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GfiMC.A.-9E.JPRY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1074 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:57:19 -0800 X-UIDL: e6c959fbdc777d74e828e0e16e1103cf On Wednesday, November 05, 1997 4:26 PM, Len Seligman [SMTP:seligman@mitre.org] wrote: > is there anyway to do this and have the electric guitar sound good? > Currently, I have a '62 Strat that I play through an all tube Fender Hod > Rod Deluxe and it sounds *great*. I play it with only a trace of distortion, > and I love the sound. Is there any way to get anything remotely close > without using a guitar amp? Try either a Roland GP-100 or a Boss Gx-700. They should be easily bought for between $500-700. Jonathan Brainin jbrainin@interactive.net From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 02:09:04 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 15:43:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTF6E-0006Ya-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:43:02 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971105233313.00924620@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 15:33:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Guitar rig advice wanted Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"YyYkxC.A.NQF.fJQY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1072 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:43:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 0594e683571c19c8c65476ef1e37a0a5 Another trick along this same line is to remove the paper cone from the speaker. It still loads the amp pretty much the same, but it doesn't make any sound. Then with Dave's little line out box, you're set. Of course, you might want to do this with a second speaker before you destroy the one you have. also, with the line out box, I think you want two resistors to make a voltage divider. the second one would go after the series R and connect to ground. Just one resistor in series with the jack could still give you a pretty large voltage swing, likely to clip in a line level circuit. The value of the second R would set the level of the line signal, so that will probably depend on the amp. You might even use a pot. kim At 04:13 PM 11/5/97 -0600, Dave Stagner wrote: >You could try making a "line out" for the guitar amp. It won't capture >the sound of the speaker, but it should get the basic flavor of the amp, >at least (it also won't silence the speaker, if that matters to you). > >Get a little project box. It needs on 1/4" jack going in, and two 1/4" >jacks going out. The input jack should be connected to the regular >speaker jack on your amp (use the same grade of wire for this that you >would for speakers!). For the two output jacks, wire them in parallel. >Put a 1000 ohm 5 watt resistor in series with one of the jacks. This is >the line out. You should be able to plug it directly into mixers, >effects, etc. Make sure the speaker is plugged into the other jack! It >is bad for tube amps to not receive a proper load. > >This circuit should have negligible effect on the sound of your amp and >speaker, and require no internal modifications that might hurt the value >of your vintage amp. It also gets all the sound of the amp/speaker >interaction and the power tubes, which is what makes classic amps sound so >great. It won't get the last bit of "air" from the actual cone, but it's >close. It'll cost you about ten bucks in parts at Radio Shack, and a >little bit of time with a soldering iron, and requires almost NO >electronics knowledge! > >Try it and see. > >-dave > >By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. >Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. >Venus De Milo. >To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ > -Charles Fort > > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 02:09:08 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 16:35:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTFur-00040V-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:35:21 -0800 X-ROUTED: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:24:48 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Rainham From: "G. Peterson" To: Subject: Using Mod Wheel as a Volume Control Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:17:17 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit message-id: TCPSMTP_GEN.12376.16222@204.138.111.66 Resent-Message-ID: <"ejAGVD.A.D1C.P6QY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1073 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:35:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 19adfc923558e8e8f3640f1593d52943 Hi all, I have a question directed to the keyboard loopers out there. I have an old midi synth I am using. Just about everything is midi capable except the volume slider. I am creating and editing my performance loops on Performer 3.6 running on an old mac se. Is there a simple way I can select something in the performer sequencer that will allow me to play live volume moves into the sequencer while I am tracking/recording? Cheers and thanks, Gordon From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 02:09:20 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 20:48:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTJrV-0003fB-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:48:09 -0800 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:38:53 -0500 (EST) From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <971105180725_1624380565@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Jamman vs Echoplex: who wins? Resent-Message-ID: <"7nzpF.A.XuC.poUY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1075 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:48:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 461c6b7bf494cdf668cbbdf34dc0c0be In a message dated 11/4/97 1:09:36 PM, you wrote: <> Neither. The musician makes the tools the tools don't make the musician. From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 02:09:24 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 23:02:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTLxm-00065V-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:02:46 -0800 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:55:20 -0500 (EST) From: Squidlyguy@aol.com Message-ID: <971106015520_1547703543@mrin45.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: The Orb... Resent-Message-ID: <"FxAKjC.A.HJF.VoWY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1076 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:02:46 -0800 X-UIDL: f239714bcfc8dabe56c32f6376d68052 Hey guys, I'm really into Torn, Fripp, Abercrombie, Frisell, Eno, etc. I've heard about The Orb, but don't know what they're like. Kinda like Ozric Tentacles meets Eno, maybe?! Who else might anyone recommend to satiate my desire for tasteful looping (I can't find a copy of Polytown anywhere!!!). Thanks for any help... Brian From ???@??? Fri Nov 07 09:49:46 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 22:58:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTiNE-0007eY-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 22:58:32 -0800 Message-Id: <199711061806.KAA08908@scv3.apple.com> Subject: Re: Digitech RDS 800 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 97 12:10:50 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"Mlm6pB.A.deG.hprY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1093 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 22:58:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 84d025414c2d016c30426f3da298ed43 >Anyone know what this is? I saw one at a local music store used for >$125. >It says "Time Machine" on it and I believe the model number is RDS >800..or >RDS 8000..I have seen references to it on this list before but can't >recall if it Yes, it can be used as a looper. You can't sync to MIDI or anything, so it ends up functioning as an 8-second delay with footswitchable infinite hold. I believe it also has a sample trigger mode. I've been looking for one for a while, so if you decide to pass, please forward the number of the store. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 10:06:15 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 05:09:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTRgq-0003xl-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 05:09:40 -0800 From: "paul.davies" Alternate-Recipient: allowed Auto-Forwarded: prohibited Content-Return: allowed Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Conversion: allowed Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Subject: Re: The Orb... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-Id: <971106130213.701@pserv.avri.bbsrc.ac.uk.0> X-Dmw-Body-Names: Re: The Orb... Date: Thu, 6 Nov 97 13:02:13 +0000 X-Mailer: MailWorks 2.0-4 Resent-Message-ID: <"Tz-go.A.1OD.NAcY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1077 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 05:09:40 -0800 X-UIDL: 88aa62bcf6f0d922271b60331dae41bb Future Sound of London? From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 10:06:16 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 05:24:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTRvF-00059n-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 05:24:33 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971106082241.0071e0cc@dharma.mitre.org> X-Sender: seligman@dharma.mitre.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 08:22:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Len Seligman Subject: Re: Guitar rig advice wanted In-Reply-To: <19971105221024.8534.qmail@omni1.voicenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"4jlEbC.A.HKE.QNcY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1078 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 05:24:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 65f510119072dee05a49c125d10db68c At 10:10 PM 11/5/97 -0000, floyd@voicenet.com wrote: > What model SansAmp did you try? It was one of the little SansAmp boxes, not the rack mounted one. Maybe I'll check out the PSA-1. Also, how does that compare to some of the tube pre-amps that have bunches of effects too (e.g., from Rocktron, Peavey, etc.)? ART also makes a little 1/2 rack space tube pre-amp for only about $100. Has anyone tried that? Thanks for all the good ideas everybody! -Len > I have a rack-mount PSA-1 SansAmp and I love it. > I found miking and Amp such a hassle and really was not happy > with the results. Maybe after a year and a half I've forgotten > what the sound of a real amp is like but.... I'm happy with the > PSA-1. Perhaps it depends on the kind of sound you're expecting. > > > > From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 10:06:18 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 05:41:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTSC1-0006lF-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 05:41:53 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971106083152.007c0b80@popmail.voicenet.com> X-Sender: floyd@popmail.voicenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 08:31:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: Guitar rig advice wanted In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971106082241.0071e0cc@dharma.mitre.org> References: <19971105221024.8534.qmail@omni1.voicenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"njdrx.A.fbF.2acY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1079 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 05:41:53 -0800 X-UIDL: c1625f7f49ab2d8928aa1a242f8ce2af At 08:22 AM 11/6/97 -0500, you wrote: > >It was one of the little SansAmp boxes, not the rack mounted one. Maybe >I'll check out the PSA-1. Also, how does that compare to some of the tube >pre-amps that have bunches of effects too (e.g., from Rocktron, Peavey, >etc.)? ART also makes a little 1/2 rack space tube pre-amp for only about >$100. Has anyone tried that? I tured a couple preamps and found them flat or not very versatile for going right into a mixer. I preferred to use separate effects - let the PSA-1 get my basic tones and add whatever effects processors i like at any given time. **************** ********** Floyd Miller ****** floyd@voicenet.com ** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd From ???@??? Fri Nov 07 09:49:31 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 20:34:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTg7t-0003fn-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:34:33 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:09:20 +0300 Message-ID: <00004AA8.4007@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re: Digitech RDS 800 To: Loopers-Delight , Roland Eberle Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"1bIos.A.yfC.cepY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1090 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:34:33 -0800 X-UIDL: e7a18b5062ed41ae761b16ab5da61a6b RDS 8000. I have one and would not hesitate to buy another for $125. It is a good "freestyle" loop device; no midi but knobs to tweak and "destroy" the sound. Go for it. Miguel ___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________ Assunto: Digitech RDS 800 Autor: Roland Eberle na internet Data: 06/11/1997 09:36 Anyone know what this is? I saw one at a local music store used for $125. It says "Time Machine" on it and I believe the model number is RDS 800..or RDS 8000..I have seen references to it on this list before but can't recall if it can be used as a looping device or not. Any and all info would be appreciated. TIA From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 10:06:20 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 06:19:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTSm2-00006m-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 06:19:06 -0800 X-From_:nyfac2@nyfac.com Thu Nov 06 06:19:04 1997 Received: from mail2.panix.com [198.7.0.33] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTSlz-00006F-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 06:19:03 -0800 Received: from nyfac ([206.133.60.162]) by mail2.panix.com (8.8.5/8.7.1/PanixM1.0) with SMTP id JAA04601 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:18:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3461E31C.41C6@nyfac.com> Old-Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 10:32:44 -0500 From: nyfac Organization: New York Film & Animation Co. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SGoldC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang Reviews References: <971105014834_-1157793963@emout09.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 06:19:06 -0800 X-UIDL: cb3f9cf11021781fb90e38b4a7b49b26 CORROSIVE@aol.com wrote: > > any owner reviews of the boomerang looper? I have the jamman & echoplex pro, > but some of the boomerang features seem cool on paper... None that I am aware of. There is word from the lads at Sovtech that there will be a reissue of the EH 16 sec delay. That sounds like it would be the shit. Go find a 'Rang and try it out. If someone was to give it to me, I'm sure that it would find its way into my burgeoning pedalboard. Trev From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 10:06:29 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 07:58:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTUJr-00014X-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 07:58:07 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971106164924.0087a730@pop.stud.ntnu.no> X-Sender: eriklj@pop.stud.ntnu.no X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 16:49:24 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Erik Ljones Subject: Re: Guitar rig advice wanted In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971106082241.0071e0cc@dharma.mitre.org> References: <19971105221024.8534.qmail@omni1.voicenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"WVsfdB.A.7N.HceY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1080 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 07:58:07 -0800 X-UIDL: cd3fd168f32494e694c3d04abc38cf57 >Also, how does that compare to some of the tube >pre-amps that have bunches of effects too (e.g., from Rocktron, Peavey, >etc.)? I use a Roctron Voodu Valve pre-amp w/ effects. The only reason I use it is because I got a good deal on it. The pre-amp is ok, I guess, but the effects...I bypass them 99% of the time, and use my chain of old mono stompboxes and an Ensoniq dp2 for digital processing instead. The same thing goes for the effects on the Roland gp100, although I would recomend this unit before the Rocktron; It has two additional effect loops, so that you can incorporate your mono effect chains in the order you prefer. My advice: By your preamp and effects seperatly. Erik Ljones From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 20:34:19 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 13:21:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTZN0-00030s-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:21:42 -0800 Message-ID: <3461EC55.7C81@hhmi.upenn.edu> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 16:12:06 +0000 From: "Robert S. Carter" Reply-To: rsc4@hhmi.upenn.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Looping with a sampler References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BfA7EB.A.61B.tKjY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1083 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:21:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 6a6d1df317d99240527de7dcc3e71538 Basically i'm wondering whether there are any samplers (particularly the new "phrase" sampler boxes) which can loop on the fly in the style of a sampling digital delay (i.e. the JamMan). Sure all samplers loop, but in my experience (I've got an S-760) there's always a couple button presses worth of processing to be done after recording before you can play back the loop, plus you've got to trigger the sample somehow. I'm thinking about something performance friendly that immediately loops and plays back the sample. BOB. From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 10:06:38 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 09:48:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTW2n-0004Pw-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:48:37 -0800 Message-ID: <34620002.4B9B2042@ccnet.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 09:36:03 -0800 From: Roland Eberle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Digitech RDS 800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8RWSIB.A.JFD.nBgY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1081 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:48:37 -0800 X-UIDL: f267878b0cde09cc2bcfa98ec7c1bfcc Anyone know what this is? I saw one at a local music store used for $125. It says "Time Machine" on it and I believe the model number is RDS 800..or RDS 8000..I have seen references to it on this list before but can't recall if it can be used as a looping device or not. Any and all info would be appreciated. TIA From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 11:18:31 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 11:16:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTXPk-0005V3-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:16:24 -0800 Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Digitech RDS 800 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:01:36 -0800 Message-ID: <01bceae6$68240520$a83bd4cc@CIS.compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZGj2lC.A.KEE.hThY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1082 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:16:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 79d53ca96714ab936595f730c5bc2931 Roland Eberle asked about "Digitech RDS 800/8000": I use a Digitech 7.6-second "Time Machine" for all my looping. With a footpedal for the Open/Close Loop input, it's quite capable for studio and live loop production. Bought it in the Recycler here (LA) for $125, used, of course. :) Quite nice even in the signal path of an effects send off a mixer, enabling one to selectively drop things into the loop without much pain. The feedback can be inverted, as well. One input, three outs (Mix, Phase, Dry). Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 20:34:23 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 14:14:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTaBY-0000nl-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:13:56 -0800 Message-Id: Subject: Re: JamMan Wanted Date: Thu, 6 Nov 97 16:21:20 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Phil Diem To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"4vKv5B.A.DHH.87jY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1085 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:13:56 -0800 X-UIDL: fa298518802bebdfe8f389e1ef8f62e4 Rouge Music has another JamMan listed for their November auction. The JamMan in the September auction went for $365, if I remember correctly. http://www.roguemusic.com/auction.html Go for it! Phil From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 20:34:22 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 14:05:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTa3d-0007gm-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:05:45 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971106213341.00745b1c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 13:33:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looping with a sampler Resent-Message-ID: <"6w0GIC.A.a_F.VxjY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1084 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:05:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 2111ef4c8879c8aceaeaf66861d144e8 At 04:12 PM 11/6/97 +0000, Robert S. Carter wrote: >Basically i'm wondering whether there are any samplers (particularly the >new "phrase" sampler boxes) which can loop on the fly in the style of a >sampling digital delay (i.e. the JamMan). Sure all samplers loop, but in >my experience (I've got an S-760) there's always a couple button presses >worth of processing to be done after recording before you can play back >the loop, plus you've got to trigger the sample somehow. I'm thinking >about something performance friendly that immediately loops and plays >back the sample. The phrase sampler type boxes generally do allow for fast looping, just like the jamman/echoplex approach where you tap to start/stop and the sample starts looping automatically. The frustrating thing I've seen, at least with the akai stuff like the remix16, is that you can't record and play back at the same time. That limits a lot of performance applications, where you might want to sample a new audio element and add it to the currently playing loop. (overdubbing, inserting, replacing, etc.) On the other hand, those devices usually have built in sequencers which the digital delay type boxes don't have, and polyphonic loops are a given. It's interesting to see how the sampler approach to real-time looping and the digital-delay approach are moving towards each other and adopting each other's features. The devices from the sampler world like the remix16 and others now have the tap-style, easy loop capturing features that delays have long had with the "hold" button, as well as other performace features like real-time reverse, etc. And the loop devices from the digital delay background, like the echoplex, have features like loop triggering with midi, velocity sensitivity, midi sync, sample dump, etc. You can expect the lines to get more blurry.... kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 20:34:36 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 16:48:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTcb8-000740-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:48:30 -0800 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:33:39 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin Reply-To: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Gig in Baltimore Saturday night Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"JdyolC.A.j0F.vLmY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1086 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:48:30 -0800 X-UIDL: a3c5a39306683abaea2bb6a27e6b2954 The Dark Aether Project featuring yours truly on Chapman Stick (and amusing, yet sophisticated stage banter), fretted and fretless guitarist Yaman Aksu and percussionist Brian Griffin will be performing Saturday night at Tap Tech I at Orion Studios in Baltimore. This show will feature performances from several Chapman Stick and Warr Guitar players. The show starts at 9pm and has a mere $5 admission fee. I'll be letting fly with some loopiness on the trusty old Digitech Time Machine and Zoom 508. See http://www.ari.net/prog/shows/showcase/ for the full poop -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 20:34:39 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 17:49:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTdYI-0004W3-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:49:38 -0800 Message-ID: <34627276.90F@dmans.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 19:44:22 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar rig advice wanted References: <3.0.2.32.19971105162622.0071fb34@dharma.mitre.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wqcFi.A.ZaD.YFnY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1087 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:49:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 75069772768aff6b460d7fdace51a93a Len Seligman wrote: > > I'm thinking putting an electric guitar and miscellaneous other things > (guitar synth, mandolin with a transducer pickup, vocal mike) through a > mixer, an Echoplex, and then on to a PA board. Question: is there any way > to do this and have the electric guitar sound good? Currently, I have a '62 > Strat that I play through an all tube Fender Hod Rod Deluxe and it sounds > *great*. I play it with only a trace of distortion, and I love the sound. > Is there any way to get anything remotely close without using a guitar amp? > (I once used a SansAmp for recording purposes, and I thought the sound was > bad compared to miking the guitar amp.) > > If not, then I fear the only thing I'll be able to loop will be my guitar, > or else I'll have to send the other stuff through the guitar amp, which is > not known for great sound for anything but a guitar. (I can't afford two > Echoplexes for just me.) > How about miking the amp into your mixer? Then the guitar signal could be treated just like your other instruments, and looped at will. This would probably necessitate playing the guitar at a low volume to keep it in balance with the other looped sounds. Motley From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 20:34:41 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 18:36:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTeHn-0000c7-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:36:39 -0800 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:25:04 -0500 (EST) From: PainPete@aol.com Message-ID: <971106212504_129044675@mrin46.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digitech RDS 800 Resent-Message-ID: <"Vxkt4C.A.IGH.hxnY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1088 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:36:39 -0800 X-UIDL: ab5b5e66c208bd9c7e764221d56847de It is the 8000. I have one and I LOVE it. 8 seconds of delay and lots of knobs for manual real-time tweaking. It's in mono and doesn't have the sound reproduction quality of the newer boxes, but I like it better and don't want anything else. That's a good price, and I would snag it if I were you, I usually see them in the over $200 range. I also have the 1.9 second version and I put them both through my Vortex to flesh out the sound in stereo, it works beautifully. Pete In a message dated 97-11-06 15:20:29 EST, you write: << Subj: Digitech RDS 800 Date: 97-11-06 15:20:29 EST From: roland@ccnet.com (Roland Eberle) Reply-to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com (Loopers-Delight) Anyone know what this is? I saw one at a local music store used for $125. It says "Time Machine" on it and I believe the model number is RDS 800..or RDS 8000..I have seen references to it on this list before but can't recall if it can be used as a looping device or not. Any and all info would be appreciated. TIA >> From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 20:34:44 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 19:37:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTfF0-0006KA-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:37:50 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:51:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: The Orb... Resent-Message-ID: <"L-FKh.A.jJF.droY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1089 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:37:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 9c6a4879cabfcb5711d4f564301f3ad7 >Hey guys, I'm really into Torn, Fripp, Abercrombie, Frisell, Eno, etc. I've >heard about The Orb, but don't know what they're like. Kinda like Ozric >Tentacles meets Eno, maybe?! Who else might anyone recommend to satiate my >desire for tasteful looping (I can't find a copy of Polytown anywhere!!!). > Thanks for any help... > > >Brian I think the Orb are pretty much in a class of their own. Orbus Terrarum is my favorite of their records, but they're all pretty good. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Fri Nov 07 09:49:30 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 20:34:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTg7u-0003fo-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:34:34 -0800 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 22:55:40 -0500 (EST) From: TritoneDW@aol.com Message-ID: <971106225539_341930044@mrin40.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar rig advice wanted Resent-Message-ID: <"bMUNWB.A.8mC.kfpY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1091 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:34:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 48d8edd21256cdc0e4c73e7eec381709 I would like to put in my vote for the THD Hot Plate as well, although it is still preferable to get the signal through a speaker at some point. For my projects (usually done in an apartment with thin walls) I run my guitar/jamman complex through a Mesa Boogie Mk IV into the Hot Plate set on load, then the line out from that into the power amp in on a Fender R.A.D. (!!!). It sounds fantastic--the speaker rolls off a little of the brittle high end you get with direct signal. Of course, you may like the extreme high end stuff, in which case the line out straight to the board is the way to go. I got the Hot Plate last year, and now I couldn't imagine living without it. It's a critical part of my rig. Good luck and happy looping, Drew Wheeler From ???@??? Fri Nov 07 09:49:35 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 21:41:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTggr-0006U1-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:10:41 -0800 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:15:58 -0800 (PST) From: Andre LaFosse To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Lexicon looping gear for sale in LA Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"iC5vV.A.bPF.sAqY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1092 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:10:41 -0800 X-UIDL: dcb9b3736e86d457cd5ae78b50dec784 All of these are via the RECYCLER newspaper: -- Vortex for $125; call 818-761-3052 -- Another Vortex for $174; call 213-390-8073 -- JamMan for $250; call 213-662-2463 From ???@??? Fri Nov 07 09:50:30 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 7 02:19:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTlVG-0004lw-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:19:02 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCEB65.60A2AF70@PCANDREW> From: Andrew To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: looping drums,samplers etc. Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:10:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"c4k0IC.A.OME.unuY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1094 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:19:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 164c2ae2669d8b1fa3d336c1c972da88 The recent talk of samplers, and the hope that others are thinking along the same lines brings up a few questions. How many of us spend most of our time fiddling with bits of gear at home, trying to improve the quality of our music ? Our main instruments ( guitars, keys, sticks and the like ) don't pose too many problems when it comes to knowing what sound we're looking for ( whether we get it is another matter.. ) and we're fairly familiar with the gear required. But say you want to record some drum loops ? Not just your crappy drum machine but the kind of loops that sound realistic ( DJ's Shadow, Spooky, Krush, Torns's last CD all have great drum sounds - where'd they get 'em ?) I once sampled ( using the 2.5 sec one shot sampler on my Digitech Tsr24 ) the drum fade out on the first Black Sabbath album ( 'Behind the wall of Sleep' I think ) and then recorded both that and a loop from the guitar onto tape. The outcome was infinitely more pleasing than most things I'd done using an Alesis D4 drum module. The 'real' drum sounds made my efforts sound almost, well, 'real'. So, anyone want to discuss the gear required to bring the rest of our music into the real world ? Adat ? Da88 ? , Samplers ?, Computers ?, Emagic,Cubase ? All the best Andrew From ???@??? Fri Nov 07 09:50:35 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 7 05:02:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTo3X-00044h-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 05:02:35 -0800 Message-ID: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820A5A01@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> From: Haible Juergen To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: AW: Guitar rig advice wanted Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:57:01 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Dz2QNB.A.KeD.xAxY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1095 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 05:02:35 -0800 X-UIDL: f0b4c7818d4b8d0d17be6b29d8f7fa8a >Another trick along this same line is to remove the paper cone from the >speaker. It still loads the amp pretty much the same, but it doesn't make >any sound. Then with Dave's little line out box, you're set. Of course, you >might want to do this with a second speaker before you destroy the one you have. Brilliant idea !!! A few questions: (1) Has anybody tried this, or is only theory so far ? (2) You would still need some severe low pass filtering, wouldn't you? (Asuming the lowpass action of a real speaker mostly comes from its large dimensions - but I may be wrong.) (3) The interaction of the coil with the amp might be a little different, as the coil would probably move differently without the cone. Nevertheless, the idea is absolutely great, as we have a real electro-mechanical system at least. Anybody checked how lrge or how small the difference is ? JH. From ???@??? Fri Nov 07 09:50:43 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 7 07:36:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTqSF-0005CI-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 07:36:15 -0800 X-Sender: whb4@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BCEB65.60A2AF70@PCANDREW> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:27:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Walt Blackler Subject: Re: looping drums,samplers etc. Resent-Message-ID: <"WR4Lb.A.TJE.tNzY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1096 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 07:36:15 -0800 X-UIDL: a2e7e040e8acf073311e7383671a08fb This resonates with me. I am trying to do the same with a couple of Macs (gasp!) using samples of real stuff to make my own stuff (not using midi intruments or sample patches). Just trying to create original stuff. -Walt >The recent talk of samplers, and the hope that others are thinking along >the same lines brings up a few questions. How many of us spend most of our >time fiddling with bits of gear at home, trying to improve the quality of >our music ? Our main instruments ( guitars, keys, sticks and the like ) >don't pose too many problems when it comes to knowing what sound we're >looking for ( whether we get it is another matter.. ) and we're fairly >familiar with the gear required. But say you want to record some drum >loops ? Not just your crappy drum machine but the kind of loops that sound >realistic ( DJ's Shadow, Spooky, Krush, Torns's last CD all have great >drum sounds - where'd they get 'em ?) I once sampled ( using the 2.5 sec >one shot sampler on my Digitech Tsr24 ) the drum fade out on the first >Black Sabbath album ( 'Behind the wall of Sleep' I think ) and then >recorded both that and a loop from the guitar onto tape. The outcome was >infinitely more pleasing than most things I'd done using an Alesis D4 drum >module. The 'real' drum sounds made my efforts sound almost, well, 'real'. >So, anyone want to discuss the gear required to bring the rest of our >music into the real world ? >Adat ? Da88 ? , Samplers ?, Computers ?, Emagic,Cubase ? > >All the best >Andrew From ???@??? Fri Nov 07 09:50:46 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 7 08:12:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTr1V-0000ZJ-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:12:41 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <01BCEB65.60A2AF70@PCANDREW> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Re: looping drums,samplers etc. Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:04:10 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"CfsPNC.A.kIH._vzY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1097 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:12:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 38f8d94bfc61d20f875ee04bf3013e49 I find using Steinberg's Recycle is a indespensible tool for making loops come alive. You can send a loop into it and chop it up into small sections based on attacks & waveform zero crossings. YOu can still maintain the timing of the original loop but it can also be re-ordered in any way you like since each section or "slice" is mapped to individual keys . Its such a powerful creative tool and its a lot of fun also. Theres alot that you can do with Recycle besides this so check it out . K Law From ???@??? Fri Nov 07 09:50:51 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 7 09:28:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTsD4-0000JH-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:28:42 -0800 From: Emmanuel Angel Message-Id: <199711071719.MAA16505@dolphin.upenn.edu> Subject: great speakerless tone To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:19:39 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ya6n_B.A.AwG.t20Y0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1098 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:28:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 987d1a9c5761614f0e4c9e1a8a462d06 A few thoughts here on guitar tone without an amp ... I have done some home recording and gotten some remarkable results using a Mesa Boogie V-Twin and the cheap version (sound tank) of an Ibanez Tube Screamer. I use the V-Twin in *clean* preamp mode and sweeten my strat tone by adding some bass, treble, and some presence. The output of that goes to the Tube Screamer. The added level and presence *before* the distortion of the Ibanez (which is by nature a mild overdrive) seems to generate a smooth raspiness from that little green and black box. The high end sounds kind of "tinkly" and seems to make the strat "talk" without sounding too rough or edgy. The setup seems to track my dynamics, and I get just enough thick saturation when I play with the neck pickup. The 'in-between' strat settings weigh in with a tad less saturation, which sounds wonderful to my ear, and leaves me room to kick up to the former more penetrating tone when the phrases of a building solo demand it. The rest of my chain (optional) consists of a Yamaha digital multi-effects box which I use *only* for its stereo chorus, and I keep the mix of that chorus very light (maybe 25%-30%). The Yamaha also has some 'amp simulations' and I select the one labeled 'M' (must mean Marshall!) which, stereotypically, seems to fatten the tone. I take the stereo outs of the Yamaha and feed them to my Lexicon Reflex, programmed for a relatively long (setting of 11 or 12) plate reverb and I adjust the Mix so that its not too wet. The sound through the headphones has been *amazing*, inspiring me to do my best tracking when I play on top of my sequenced compositions. The sound in the final mix is *very* convincing. It would be really hard to to know that I recorded without a speaker. The electronics in the chain really seem to respond to my playing, almost idiosyncratically, as if there were some real acoustic component to the sound. My folk theory: putting my tone into a 12AX7 preamp warms it up and giggles it a bit before the transistorized distortion. This giggled up tone, with added presence, drives the Ibanez in a more idiosyncratic way. The rest of my chain (all the chorus and reverb stuff) breathes more life and animation into the signal. I think the fact that each box acts as some function on the signal creates a whole that is greater in complexity than the sum of the parts. My ethic: fool around with stuff, experiment. One would not normally think (at least I didn't) of taking the signal from an expensive tube preamp ($300) set on clean and passing it into a cheap ($35) overdrive box. Experiment with what you have and try things that may not seem warranted by a 'hi-fi' components view of the world, in which the quality of a chain is considered to be its weakist link. This approach can be used for looping or recording. Mickey Angel From ???@??? Fri Nov 07 11:29:05 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 7 09:59:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTsgw-0003V2-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:59:34 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCEB7C.836779C0@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Guitar rig advice wanted Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:56:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"kBMuLB.A.dWC.iT1Y0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1099 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:59:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 0d9fb651d1702371a42fc741cfce808c I have two opposing opinions about DI'ing an electric guitar into a PA board: 1. You may want to try one of those sealed speaker enclosures that contains 1 or 2 speakers and a microphone for connecting to the board. Hook it up to your amp and crank it as loud as you want. Then connect the mic to your PA board. Little or no sound comes out of the enclosure. 2. The guitar to amp configuration has its advantages, disadvantages and idiosyncrasies. So does the guitar to processor to PA board configuration. Perhaps there are interesting sonic qualities in this configuration that are just as beautiful, but different than the traditional guitar to amp configuration. They may be worth exploring. The first time I played a SansAmp PSA-1 through a mixer, power amp and studio reference monitors, I thought it sounded horrible. Then the salesman popped in and added a touch of digital reverb. It still sounded horrible. Then several months later, a little voice in the back of my head kept saying, "All those knobs and different types of outputs. There must be something to this thing." So I tried it with a Marshall Valvestate 8004 power amp and two speakers (an EV12L and a Celestion). It sounded fantastic. Then I patched a JamMan into its effects loop and DI'ed the PSA-1 into a multitrack tape deck. Again, it sounded fantastic. The moral: Look for equipment that compliments each other. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Sat Nov 08 00:13:55 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 7 11:41:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTuHG-0006gJ-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:41:10 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BCEB65.60A2AF70@PCANDREW> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:34:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: looping drums,samplers etc. Resent-Message-ID: <"D21-AC.A.EHF.Ax2Y0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1101 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:41:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 4e5c84fb814723bde1c3fbb57564fb89 If you just want to mess around with this a bit, there are a lot of websites where you can download breakbeats. You could then put these in a sampler or an audio sequencer program and loop them. If you got into it more, you'd probably want to go for a more DIY approach. I've heard a lot of good things about Recycle, which someone else mentioned. I guess you could also run those breakbeats (or samples you find) through Recycle and chop them up into pieces for your own use. A lot of people seem to use cubase for this stuff, as I understand because it has the best interface for programming drum parts. I never used it, so I can't say. For samplers, the Akai MPC2000 seems to be the choice of the moment for a lot of producers. (shadow used the older MPC60 for most of his stuff.) They have a very usable, drum-machine like interface that makes it easy to use for drum tracks. I've heard good things about some of the new emu samplers too, which are remarkably cheap these days. kim >The recent talk of samplers, and the hope that others are thinking along >the same lines brings up a few questions. How many of us spend most of our >time fiddling with bits of gear at home, trying to improve the quality of >our music ? Our main instruments ( guitars, keys, sticks and the like ) >don't pose too many problems when it comes to knowing what sound we're >looking for ( whether we get it is another matter.. ) and we're fairly >familiar with the gear required. But say you want to record some drum >loops ? Not just your crappy drum machine but the kind of loops that sound >realistic ( DJ's Shadow, Spooky, Krush, Torns's last CD all have great >drum sounds - where'd they get 'em ?) I once sampled ( using the 2.5 sec >one shot sampler on my Digitech Tsr24 ) the drum fade out on the first >Black Sabbath album ( 'Behind the wall of Sleep' I think ) and then >recorded both that and a loop from the guitar onto tape. The outcome was >infinitely more pleasing than most things I'd done using an Alesis D4 drum >module. The 'real' drum sounds made my efforts sound almost, well, 'real'. >So, anyone want to discuss the gear required to bring the rest of our >music into the real world ? >Adat ? Da88 ? , Samplers ?, Computers ?, Emagic,Cubase ? > >All the best >Andrew ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Nov 08 00:13:54 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 7 11:40:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTuGf-0006c8-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:40:33 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820A5A01@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:38:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: AW: Guitar rig advice wanted Resent-Message-ID: <"iQ6ikB.A.ZHF.Cx2Y0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1102 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:40:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 0dcda4c7949403f576c8adb6de5d1ee0 > >Another trick along this same line is to remove the paper cone >from the > >speaker. It still loads the amp pretty much the same, but it >doesn't make > >any sound. Then with Dave's little line out box, you're set. Of >course, you > >might want to do this with a second speaker before you destroy >the one you have. > >Brilliant idea !!! > >A few questions: > >(1) Has anybody tried this, or is only theory so far ? I got the idea from someone who had done it, and is very happy with the result. I haven't heard it myself, but he's pretty into good guitar tone so I imagine its doing a good job. Give it a try, let us know. figuring out how to get good sounding stuff into the loop is something we all deal with.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Nov 07 11:29:12 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 7 11:05:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTtj5-0002nR-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:05:51 -0800 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: looping drums,samplers etc. Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 20:02:03 +0100 Message-ID: <19971107190202640.AAA157@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"lI6G5C.A.UkB.mQ2Y0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1100 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:05:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 690d99e0a5e6d5b2c4f498889fa46ee2 At 10.10 07/11/97 -0000, you wrote: >The recent talk of samplers, and the hope that others are thinking along the same lines brings up a few questions. How many of us spend most of our time fiddling with bits of gear at home, trying to improve the quality of our music ? Our main instruments ( guitars, keys, sticks and the like ) don't pose too many problems when it comes to knowing what sound we're looking for ( whether we get it is another matter.. ) and we're fairly familiar with the gear required. But say you want to record some drum loops ? Not just your crappy drum machine but the kind of loops that sound realistic ( DJ's Shadow, Spooky, Krush, Torns's last CD all have great drum sounds - where'd they get 'em ?) I once sampled ( using the 2.5 sec one shot sampler on my Digitech Tsr24 ) the drum fade out on the first Black Sabbath album ( 'Behind the wall of Sleep' I think ) and then recorded both that and a loop from the guitar onto tape. The outcome was infinitely more pleasing than most things I'd done using an Alesis D4 drum module. The 'real' drum sounds made my efforts sound almost, well, 'real'. >So, anyone want to discuss the gear required to bring the rest of our music into the real world ? >Adat ? Da88 ? , Samplers ?, Computers ?, Emagic,Cubase ? > >All the best >Andrew > Hi Andrew For drum loops in my compositions (no real time looping) I use the PC and some editing programs. With SOund Forge you have no limit in cutting, stretching and altering the sound of your drum loops and samples. More often I ask to drummers friends of mine to record on Dat (but normal tape works too) their grooves and patterns. Then I edit all on the PC. Another thing I like to do is recording my Stick loops and then edit them on the PC, separating each loop from the others, changing the sequence, processing and adding colours. ciao leo From ???@??? Sat Nov 08 00:14:01 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 7 12:20:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTusq-0002l6-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:20:00 -0800 X-Sender: whb4@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:12:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Walt Blackler Subject: Price range comparison: AWE64/AWE64 Gold & what else? Resent-Message-ID: <"iLPGM.A.j2B._Y3Y0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1103 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:20:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 893a5747866c457782c7c2140f80c47e What are the other cards I should be considering in the same price range as the AWE64/AWE64 Gold? Thanks in advance you techies! -Walt From ???@??? Sat Nov 08 00:14:41 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 7 21:38:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xU3as-000127-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:38:02 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BCEB65.60A2AF70@PCANDREW> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Re: looping drums,samplers etc. Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 00:28:31 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"2XXr4.A.LM.Ki_Y0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1104 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:38:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 4dd5a0c5f23ca040dfd9919870ae9904 I use a Emu E6400 and also make extensive use of Recycle as I mentioned recently.As far as samplers go I believe Emu is the leader of the pack particularly with the realtime controllers & modular processing matrix. If you are looking for something cheaper ( much cheaper) check out the aforementioned Akai MPC or better still have a look at the Dr Sample from Roland. This thing sounds very good has some amazing features( realtime time stretch!) uses removiable media & costs less than $ 400. Very nice portable sampler also loops are individually reverseable which is cool.It also has selectable sampling rates etc. Again It really depends on what you want to do with a looper-sampler. From ???@??? Sat Nov 08 00:14:43 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 7 22:22:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xU4Hd-0004tC-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:22:13 -0800 Message-ID: <34640588.320B8F76@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 01:24:08 -0500 From: mark sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu Organization: metaliminal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The Orb... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <971106015520_1547703543@mrin45.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bmYUtB.A.q3D.XOAZ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1105 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:22:13 -0800 X-UIDL: 2eb8a62285aee0e0d62426d912a7087f Hey Orb and possible Orb fans, There is an album that Robert Fripp did with the Orb called >>FFWD (Fast forward). Anyway, it's out of print in America but I think you can get it as an import. It is a monumentally beautiful album! Why it's out of print, I have no idea, but it occasionally turns up in a used bin here and there (that's how I found my copy) We should all yell at the person that is refusing to print it (for what ever stupid legal reasons) Give the rights to Fripp and let him print it on the Discpline lable. Check it out if you can find it. Mark. From ???@??? Sat Nov 08 00:14:44 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 7 22:49:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xU4hY-0000Bi-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:49:00 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971108064458.0096b868@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 22:44:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: The Orb... Resent-Message-ID: <"VNBFP.A.zMH.rpAZ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1106 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:49:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 9ece032b5a9058e02c9b6f7b096314ba Didn't Fripp do something with FSOL too? Like on Lifeforms? I can't recall actually noticing what he contributed, but I thought I remembered seeing his name on the cd book. Some soundscapes or something? kim At 01:24 AM 11/8/97 -0500, mark sottilaro wrote: >Hey Orb and possible Orb fans, > >There is an album that Robert Fripp did with the Orb called >>FFWD (Fast >forward). Anyway, it's out of print in America but I think you can get >it as an import. It is a monumentally beautiful album! Why it's out of >print, I have no idea, but it occasionally turns up in a used bin here >and there (that's how I found my copy) We should all yell at the person >that is refusing to print it (for what ever stupid legal reasons) Give >the rights to Fripp and let him print it on the Discpline lable. Check >it out if you can find it. > >Mark. > > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sat Nov 08 15:19:15 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 8 03:49:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xU9OP-0003mn-00; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 03:49:33 -0800 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: live looping and drum loops SHOWS Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 12:52:13 +0100 Message-ID: <19971108115212593.AAA206@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"8L4wq.A.gPD.JDFZ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1107 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 03:49:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 16c6f5bcb74d3bd2e6aee2121d25a917 Hi all As a musical journalist this week I saw 2 great concerts featuring large use of loops and looping. The first one was Jungle Funk, featuring Vinx, great vocalist and percussionist, Will Calhoun and Doug Wimbish, drums and bass from Living Colour. I can only say that this trio had 4 (four) jamman on stage. One for the voice, and the background vocals Vinx layered were incredible, one for acustic percussions (Vinx too), one for Wave Drum, played in some songs by Calhoun, and one for bass. Not ambient stuff, all was functional to the songs. Overlapping harmonies, rhythms, solos, etc. The second one was (I just finished to write the review) Bjork live show. This was really impressing. She's touring Europe with an 8 strings section, the Islandic String Octet I Think, and sampler-sequencer man Mark Bell. The shows is amazing and the loops Bell uses are mind opening. Lot of pitched down drums, ethnic instruments, processed percussions and a lot more. And Bjork is still great in her singing and writing. Ciao leo PS. Jungle Funk CD is self producted (it's good material but not really well recorded...). The reference url on the booklet are www.vinx.com and www.jazzateria.com. PPS. Some of you DJs out there know some mailing lists about sampling, time stretching and the latest musical styles??? Not music fan list, I'm interested from a technical point of view. Thanks From ???@??? Sat Nov 08 15:19:17 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 8 03:51:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xU9Qe-00041i-00; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 03:51:52 -0800 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: looping drums,samplers etc. Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 12:55:13 +0100 Message-ID: <19971108115512718.AAA202@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"1Jf8tC.A.7eD.lGFZ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1108 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 03:51:52 -0800 X-UIDL: efa0a33839072a3cd3da73963655aebc At 10.34 07/11/97 -0800, you wrote: >If you just want to mess around with this a bit, there are a lot of >websites where you can download breakbeats. You could then put these in a >sampler or an audio sequencer program and loop them. If you got into it >more, you'd probably want to go for a more DIY approach. I've heard a lot >of good things about Recycle, which someone else mentioned. I guess you >could also run those breakbeats (or samples you find) through Recycle and >chop them up into pieces for your own use. Hey kim, do you know any specific address?? And what's DIY? thanks ciao leo From ???@??? Sat Nov 08 15:19:34 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 8 14:53:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xUJkq-0000Zy-00; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:53:24 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 17:11:10 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Fripp and FSOL Resent-Message-ID: <"wp5eX.A.gD.3vOZ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1109 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:53:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 6b2487d7d3add14fd8bec8e3ebe49c27 )n 11/7/97 Kim Flint wrote: >Didn't Fripp do something with FSOL too? Like on Lifeforms? I can't recall >actually noticing what he contributed, but I thought I remembered seeing his >name on the cd book. Some soundscapes or something? > >kim > Funny I was listening to this this morning as my wife and I were cleaning. I totally forgtot that RF contrubuted anything to this release, so I just grabbed the CD and he is on track 3 of disc 1, a piece called Flak. There is about 14 seconds of an instantly recognizable loop by RF. I'm unsure if any other parts are his. I seem to remember an interview where he sadi he gave them a fair amount of material to work with, but most was not used. He also appeared on one or two tracks of the FSOL release ISDN. Robert's contrubtions on FFWD are much more prominent. Both Lifeforms and FFWD are worthwhile music to check out. Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Sat Nov 08 17:39:36 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 8 16:17:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xUL4V-0001Fo-00; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:17:47 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971108115512718.AAA202@Default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:09:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: looping drums,samplers etc. Resent-Message-ID: <"7zw8jB.A.jh.0-PZ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1110 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:17:47 -0800 X-UIDL: 75752675a3def88730871f455258383c Status: O X-Status: At 12:55 PM +0100 11/8/97, Leonardo Cavallo wrote: >At 10.34 07/11/97 -0800, you wrote: >>If you just want to mess around with this a bit, there are a lot of >>websites where you can download breakbeats. You could then put these in a >>sampler or an audio sequencer program and loop them. If you got into it >>more, you'd probably want to go for a more DIY approach. I've heard a lot >>of good things about Recycle, which someone else mentioned. I guess you >>could also run those breakbeats (or samples you find) through Recycle and >>chop them up into pieces for your own use. > >Hey kim, >do you know any specific address?? some stuff I saved in my bookmark file: http://www.breaks.com/ the breaks website, the have a mailing list too http://remote.ticfin.com/ 113 http://www.loknet.demon.co.uk/leech/breakbeats.html subverts breakbeat page http://jungle.syspace.co.uk/jungle/home.html Drum n' Bass arena there's probably a lot more than that out there. >And what's DIY? DIY = Do It Yourself kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Nov 09 14:10:43 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 8 23:42:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xUS1K-0006jP-00; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 23:42:58 -0800 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 02:37:39 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Dubofsky To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DOD FX-98 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"ouOOND.A.zAG.ChWZ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1111 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 23:42:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 1b03175bcbbcfd631796c0c1736e5e7e Has anyone bought/used a DOD FX-98? Priced at only $99.50 with 8 seconds delay and an 18 bit signal path it sounds to good to be true. IS it looper friendly? How does it sound? Should I dump my SDD-2000 for one? Where do babies REALLY come from? steve d Skullsaw may cause irritation and watering of the eyes. DO NOT use Skullsaw if pregnant. Studies show Skullsaw may be habit forming. Consult your physician. http://www.gti.net/skullsaw From ???@??? Sun Nov 09 22:30:47 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 9 16:25:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xUhfP-000756-00; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 16:25:23 -0800 X-From_:jndk@colba.net Sun Nov 09 16:25:21 1997 Received: from mail.colba.net [206.186.202.32] (root) by ferret with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xUhfL-00074O-00; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 16:25:19 -0800 Received: from colba.colba.net (bha1-s11.mtl.colba.net [209.89.93.21]) by mail.colba.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA02953 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 20:26:18 -0500 Message-Id: <199711100126.UAA02953@mail.colba.net> From: "Julia & Dave" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: TEST please delete this message Old-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 19:27:26 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: undecipherable, help sent X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 16:25:23 -0800 X-UIDL: e6fece35112984fdbb919fc6b73990fd From ???@??? Sun Nov 09 22:30:54 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 9 18:28:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xUjaY-0005RF-00; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:28:30 -0800 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:23:04 -0800 Message-Id: <199711100223.SAA25698@barley.adnc.com> X-Sender: ambient@mail.adnc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: studio seventeen productions Subject: Digitech RDS 8000 Resent-Message-ID: <"fPvcpB.A.cuE.NAnZ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1112 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:28:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 5a50ffe9f351224a77f6ef6d7bcbf061 I, too own one of these. And as Pete said, it's a great box. I've had mine for about 6 years. I needed a long delay, and at the time the Oberheim and the Jamman didn't exist (not to mention I couldn't have afforded them anyway),,,so the Digitech was the only choice. It has some real advantages, being all knobs and real-time tweakable. It does great thick flangers and wild choruses, I should mention. But it takes a while to learn how to get the best sounds, and looping with it can be really tricky. First of all, you have to select your loop duration FIRST, and then pray that you are playing what you want to be playing when that sucker comes around again. You can open and close the loop to add more material, and reduce feedback to let older parts fade away. This was my main looping device for many years, and when I listen back to the tapes of my band Bindlestiff I am amazed that I could sound this way with only 8 seconds. I ran the RDS8000 mix out into an ancient Digitech DSP128 (now long since gone). Now for the other side of the coin. It has no MIDI. You'll have to buy two footswitches to start and lock/unlock the loop. And, it's not easy to get that loop right when you don't have a START HERE/STOP HERE footpedal as you do with the JamMan and the Oberheim. And (and this is sad in a way) but I've owned an Oberheim for about two years now (?) and although the RDS8000 is still in my rack, I very rarely use it because the Oberheim is SO much more intuitive and eaasy to use. And now that I finally got my upgrade chips (about two weeks ago) it works like a DREAM. (BTW: GREAT WORK KIM AND MATHIAS!). But if you can't afford an Obie, it's a GREAT box, reasonable quiet, and loads of fun. It can do some horrific detuning, and you can also alter the pitch of your loops, say by recording a 2 second loop and then turning the time down to 8 seconds (thus lowering the pitch). I used to create "vari-pitch" loops which were great fun but often quite annoying to listen to. And, if it's cheap, you get a bitchin flanger, chorus, slapback....infinitely tweakable. It requires patience to operate. There are no presets. I've never regretted buying it though. Some of the most amazing looping I've ever done was done with the 8000 and the incredibly primitive DSP128 (or so it seems to me now in my old age :-) it's nice to be back! cheers, dave at studio seventeen BTW: the ambient music page has been expanded! please visit us in our new, bigger home. http://members.tripod.com/~technoambient/index.html seventeen: the ambient music page From ???@??? Mon Nov 10 10:15:23 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 10 03:27:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xUs0W-0006tB-00; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:27:52 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:38:41 +0300 Message-ID: <00004F77.4007@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re[2]: The Orb... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Kim Flint Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"II4_CD.A.oNG.v6uZ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1115 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:27:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 468d07e4866d530a9dd8af25ddb58353 There is a Fripp/Sylvian remix by FSOL: Darsham or Darshana (Iam not sure about the name). Miguel ___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________ Assunto: Re: The Orb... Autor: Kim Flint na internet Data: 07/11/1997 22:44 Didn't Fripp do something with FSOL too? Like on Lifeforms? I can't recall actually noticing what he contributed, but I thought I remembered seeing his name on the cd book. Some soundscapes or something? kim At 01:24 AM 11/8/97 -0500, mark sottilaro wrote: >Hey Orb and possible Orb fans, > >There is an album that Robert Fripp did with the Orb called >>FFWD (Fast >forward). Anyway, it's out of print in America but I think you can get >it as an import. It is a monumentally beautiful album! Why it's out of >print, I have no idea, but it occasionally turns up in a used bin here >and there (that's how I found my copy) We should all yell at the person >that is refusing to print it (for what ever stupid legal reasons) Give >the rights to Fripp and let him print it on the Discpline lable. Check >it out if you can find it. > >Mark. > > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Mon Nov 10 10:15:21 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 10 02:48:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xUrOm-0005KH-00; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 02:48:52 -0800 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Vortex info Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:50:07 +0100 Message-ID: <19971110105006546.AAA188@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"qA4ZVC.A.eyE.SVuZ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1113 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 02:48:52 -0800 X-UIDL: ac2a1c786607a0406106d0eab7189c8c Hi all Vortex owners Listening to lot of comments about Vortex unique greatness I'd like to know more about this unit. Ok, it's a morphing think, it's stereo, and this is all I know. Can you say me more? Hou do you use in your looping rigs? Post privately if no public interest. thanks leo From ???@??? Mon Nov 10 10:15:22 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 10 03:02:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xUrbf-0005uY-00; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:02:11 -0800 Message-Id: <9957.199711101056@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:56:32 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD) Subject: The Orb, The Vortex Resent-Message-ID: <"Tng_QC.A.rNF.riuZ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1114 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:02:11 -0800 X-UIDL: dd1d870185ac633d020b24ce4f43e6d0 Mark: >There is an album that Robert Fripp did with the Orb called >>FFWD (Fast >forward). It actually comes from Fripp Feldmann Watkins (?) Dr_Patterson. Patterson and the guy whose name begins with W are the Orb, Feldmann is a German DJ. I think.... Leo: >Hi all Vortex owners >Listening to lot of comments about Vortex unique greatness I'd like to know >more about this unit. Ok, it's a morphing think, it's stereo, and this is >all I know. Can you say me more? Hou do you use in your looping rigs? >Post privately if no public interest. Count this as interest! I've found a supplier of the last Vortices in the UK who are shipping them at $300 each. If I get one all my other stuff ('cept the JamMan of course) gest sold to cover it. The question is... is it worth it as an only processor? Michael From ???@??? Mon Nov 10 10:15:34 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 10 07:56:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xUwCI-0005t3-00; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 07:56:18 -0800 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:48:38 -0500 (EST) From: ZeplinSoup@aol.com Message-ID: <971110104835_-1306585001@mrin54.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping drums,samplers etc. Resent-Message-ID: <"itc1T.A.LBF.U0yZ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1116 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 07:56:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 424c36e4da90344bbb34f7c42ca5f36b I use the Jamman to compose songs in sections.since I use the computer for start and stop times I know the exact tempo.Recently I have been using Rebirth 1.5 to sync with Cakewalk and then program the drum loops that way..BTW the random feature on that is of good use for this... Reeve From ???@??? Mon Nov 10 10:15:36 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 10 08:33:06 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xUwli-0001Lw-00; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:32:54 -0800 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:23:41 -0500 (EST) From: ZeplinSoup@aol.com Message-ID: <971110112340_426400693@mrin42.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Price range comparison: AWE64/AWE64 Gold & what else? Resent-Message-ID: <"4qOFzD.A.Xc.MVzZ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1117 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:32:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 03943531e2407c0551a88a94fd020492 For Midi...not much else..especially if you use Reality(WoW..Holy Moly Reality is Killllllllllllllllllllllllaaaaaaaaaaa) but for digital audio in the lower price range check out the Gina or the LAyla card (@$3-400 i think) From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 00:28:06 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 10 16:35:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xV4IW-0002ub-00; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:35:16 -0800 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 97 11:16:12 CST From: "Brian L Jackson" Message-Id: <9710108791.AA879189881@ccbbn5.dttus.com> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: For Sale Resent-Message-ID: <"QsqykB.A.CzB.uX6Z0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1125 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:35:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 89d21e7964e114f1de4b84c73011837f Lexicon Vortex w/2 foot controllers - $125.00 neg. If interested please email me at brijackson@dttus.com Brian From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 00:27:43 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 10 11:31:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xUzY7-0003Ec-00; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:31:03 -0800 X-Sender: whb4@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <971110112340_426400693@mrin42.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:21:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Walt Blackler Subject: Re: Price range comparison: AWE64/AWE64 Gold & what else? Resent-Message-ID: <"QwpkAB.A.KJC.V71Z0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1118 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:31:03 -0800 X-UIDL: ed83fa285bd509dcc96167999041235e >For Midi...not much else..especially if you use Reality(WoW..Holy Moly >Reality is Killllllllllllllllllllllllaaaaaaaaaaa) >but for digital audio in the lower price range check out the Gina or the >LAyla card (@$3-400 i think) any good sites to find these? -Walt From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 00:27:48 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 10 12:11:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xV0BY-0007Pg-00; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:11:48 -0800 Message-ID: <19971110200200.653.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [206.54.253.53] From: "Jeffrey Robert" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: How much should you pay for a JAMMAN Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:02:00 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"9-DG1C.A.sEG.8h2Z0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1119 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:11:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 66a49306695427417f0c0046fd06c7cc What's the going rate for a NEW JAMMAN? OLD JAMMAN? thanks, JEFF ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 00:27:50 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 10 12:34:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xV0Xp-0001yo-00; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:34:49 -0800 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:22:20 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex info In-Reply-To: <19971110105006546.AAA188@Default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"O85YO.A.t0.Y22Z0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1120 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:34:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 71560b66f58606951330c977cbfeb1b8 On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, Leonardo Cavallo wrote: > Listening to lot of comments about Vortex unique greatness I'd like to know > more about this unit. Ok, it's a morphing think, it's stereo, and this is > all I know. Can you say me more? Hou do you use in your looping rigs? > Post privately if no public interest. Well, the first thing to know about the Vortex is that it is out of production. :( This means that finding one may take some time and effort. That being said, I think the Vortex is the COOLEST programmable effects unit I've ever used! I don't think of it as a "multi-effects" box in the usual sense. Those tend to be a bunch of single effects, each with their own parameters, lined up in series. The Vortex is more coherent, for lack of a better word. The various effects tend to interact with each other in interesting ways. Sometimes it's difficult to predict what changing a given parameter will do to the sound. In simplest terms, the Vortex consists of a few discrete effects.... two delay lines, two modulators, an envelope follower, and a simple mixer. It also has an expression pedal input, assignable to any parameter but delay time. Delay time itself is set by tapping in a tempo with a footswitch or front panel button. Each delay is set to some fraction of this tempo. This makes it easy to get perfect cross-rhythms, such as three against two (or seven against thirteen, or whatever), in time with your playing. The envelope follower really makes the Vortex come alive. It is assigned to some parameter within the program, and makes the program respond dynamically to your playing. One of my favorite effects is the "Shadow" program, in which the envelope follower controls the delay level. While you are playing, echo levels are reduced. When you stop playing, they rise up in the mix. This way, you can play with strong echoes without the echoes stepping on your playing. Another thing to consider... NO MIDI. It would take some effort to sync the Vortex up to a MIDI effects system. Moreover, it's kind of a pain to step through programs. It's more a studio toy than a live toy. Speaking of live Vortex... I need to get mine out again! I haven't played with electronics at all in MONTHS. I have played nothing but unplugged, solo acoustic guitar. The last time I used my Vortex was an impromptu performance with a jazzy scat singer at a gay rights rally. Quite a shock to the audience after an afternoon of show tunes and drag queen lip-syncing! But tomorrow, I have a first session with a drummer and bass player, in what may turn into my first band in over six years. After having two bands fall apart on me through no fault of my own, I've been leery of committing to playing formally with others for a long time. But now, I think I may be ready again. Tomorrow, we jam. If the three of us get along musically, we'll try to pursue this more seriously. I have some ground rules in mind... NO electric guitar (for my own self-protection), and no drums that require sticks. Hand percussion only. However, I'd like to try using the Vortex and JamMan, albiet with the acoustic guitar as a tone source. And the bass, of course, is electric. Wish us luck. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 00:27:51 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 10 12:58:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xV0uO-0004Cy-00; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:58:08 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971110204211.0098af7c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:42:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: How much should you pay for a JAMMAN Resent-Message-ID: <"rkKRND.A.1ID.GO3Z0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1121 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:58:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 704971d6e87077a314eaa790c7e25a1e At 12:02 PM 11/10/97 PST, Jeffrey Robert wrote: >What's the going rate for a NEW JAMMAN? OLD JAMMAN? New Jammans probably would cost you about $50,000, since Lexicon stopped making them quite a while ago and you would have to put it in production yourself! Used ones seem to be over $300 and rising. We should put a graph on the web page..... kim > >thanks, >JEFF > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 00:27:55 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 10 13:20:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xV1G8-0006Ng-00; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:20:36 -0800 Message-ID: <346779C4.3F37@dmans.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:16:52 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar rig advice wanted References: <01BCEB7C.836779C0@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xIhJP.A.xFF.9h3Z0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1122 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:20:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 3837e59bc842f1ac9a643f2d02deec2a Mark Kata wrote: > > You may want to try one of those sealed speaker enclosures that contains 1 or 2 speakers and a microphone for connecting to the board. Hook it up to your amp and crank it as loud as you want. Then connect the mic to your PA board. Little or no sound comes out of the enclosure. I've heard that Billy Gibbons of ZZ Top uses one of these in certain situations. Some of his tones you could cut with a knife! Motley From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 00:27:58 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 10 14:12:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xV24b-00046f-00; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:12:45 -0800 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:52:34 -0500 (EST) From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <971110165233_1049331465@mrin40.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: How much should you pay for a JAMMAN Resent-Message-ID: <"AwHmyB.A.f6C.nS4Z0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1123 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:12:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 1ba75319605175827e43c848897917b6 i paid 3 and change for my jamman about 2 or 3 yrs ago. i then paid about a hundred more for the memory upgrade. 32 seconds is worth 100 bucks!!! =-) PJ From ???@??? 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Tue Nov 11 00:28:16 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 10 23:03:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVAMc-00071S-00; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:03:54 -0800 X-Sender: prentice@mail.imag.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:57:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: prentice@imag.net Subject: Re: For Sale Resent-Message-ID: <"FRmeaB.A.QMG.1HAa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1126 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:03:54 -0800 X-UIDL: b83c863cc38386dbd14d2b5f3f09ec55 > Lexicon Vortex w/2 foot controllers - $125.00 neg. > > If interested please email me at brijackson@dttus.com > > Brian Hi Brian, If you still have your Vortex, would you hang on to it for me? I'd like to buy it. Please send me an e-mail to let me know what's happening. Best, Lionel Prentice From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 10:19:56 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 11 03:55:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVEus-0003vs-00; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 03:55:34 -0800 Message-ID: <346847D5.3B449F5E@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 06:56:06 -0500 From: jeff & mary duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: For Sale References: <9710108791.AA879189881@ccbbn5.dttus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1JAAjB.A.meD.CbEa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1127 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 03:55:34 -0800 X-UIDL: eabae0263ba11f34028b46f43bca2225 I would like to purchase the vortex!Please let me know if it is still available.I can be reached at jmar@bellsouth.net Brian L Jackson wrote: > Lexicon Vortex w/2 foot controllers - $125.00 neg. > > If interested please email me at brijackson@dttus.com > > Brian From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 10:19:57 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 11 04:10:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVF8z-0004Wf-00; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 04:10:09 -0800 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:05:32 -0500 (EST) From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: <971111070530_277096659@mrin52.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digitech RDS 800 Resent-Message-ID: <"AHvH3C.A.-CE.LpEa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1128 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 04:10:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 4ac0ff1cb643d5103d4c1dca00f58c4b I own an RDS8000 as well as a JAMMAN. The RDS8000 would be best described as an early entry into digital looping by Digitech. They made two models, a 4 second machine RDS4000 and the 8 second RDS8000. These units are fun, reliable and very rugged and are best used for setting "static" looping conditions such as preset delays for vocals from the microsecond range to the millisecond range with one or more "echos" added to the mix. It has a very nice flanging capability, and as mentioned earlier up to 8 seconds of looping capability. I haven't used it in a while but I think you can record an infinite number of loops over the delay pattern. Unlike the Jamman, you cannot set up a tempo dynamically (no tap tempo). However, the range of delay from the smallest to longest is controlled by a pot. and a range selector. The selector gives the range such as 1ms 2ms 1 sec 2sec 4sec and 8sec and the other which allows you to vary that range from the smallest to the next level, for example 1ms to 2ms range is selectable when the selector is on the 1ms range and the pot. is rotated from the left to the right. I haven't tried it yet, but I wanted to use the RDS8000 for a poor man's stereo by placing it on my stereo mixer using a mono signal (such as my vocals) and on one of the channels adding a slight delay to increase spatiality. All in all, a fun toy at a cheap price, I paid $125.00 6 years ago. HAVE FUN! From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 10:19:57 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 11 04:44:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVFgA-0005z4-00; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 04:44:26 -0800 Message-ID: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820BAB98@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> From: Haible Juergen To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: AW: Vortex info Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:40:08 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"RtRyVB.A.0UF.tIFa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1129 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 04:44:26 -0800 X-UIDL: e1d41a5efb6dcd8317a444a4b6603d6e > Delay time itself is set by tapping in a tempo with a footswitch or > front panel button. Each delay is set to some fraction of this tempo. > This makes it easy to get perfect cross-rhythms, such as three against two > (or seven against thirteen, or whatever), in time with your playing. Would it be possible to set the delay time by electronic (switch-) triggers instead of foot switches? Well sure it would work to replace the foot switches, but the question is does it work *continously*, for example syncing the delay to the clock of an analogue sequencer or arpeggiator? (Or does the tap tempo only work in a kind of "learn" mode?) What, if the clock rate changes - will the Vortex' delay time follow? Faster should be easier than longer, I guess. Does the Vortex do things like that? Are there other Delay boxes that do such things? JH. From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 10:20:07 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 11 07:33:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVIJt-0004Ss-00; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:33:37 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C29132033@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Vortex info Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:15:14 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"7tRBPC.A.dfD.ZhHa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1130 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:33:37 -0800 X-UIDL: b97bd696bdcad9be0dc958957fcc3bc5 Juergen asked: "Would it be possible to set the delay time by electronic (switch-) > triggers instead of foot switches? > Well sure it would work to replace the foot switches, but the question > is does it work *continously*, for example syncing the delay to > the clock of an analogue sequencer or arpeggiator? (Or does the > tap tempo only work in a kind of "learn" mode?) > What, if the clock rate changes - will the Vortex' delay time follow? > Faster should be easier than longer, I guess. > > Does the Vortex do things like that?" > The Vortex tap tempo is a simple momentary contact connection. It will not work with an electronic trigger directly but you should be able to have your electronic switch trigger a regular switch. The VORTEX will not follow a clock continuously. You need to tap in a new tempo each time you desire one. There is no way to get a clock signal into VORTEX. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +7881-280-0499 email: ghogan@lexicon.com From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 10:20:08 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 11 07:45:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVIVZ-0005YU-00; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:45:41 -0800 Message-ID: <34687C71.FF935A5@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:40:34 -0500 From: jeff & mary duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digitech RDS 800 References: <971111070530_277096659@mrin52.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XqW6d.A.XYE.ftHa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1131 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:45:41 -0800 X-UIDL: e4f37d2a4a7daab23e21d382b4959768 ANET@aol.com wrote: > I own an RDS8000 as well as a JAMMAN. The RDS8000 would be best described > as an early entry into digital looping by Digitech. They made two models, a > 4 second machine RDS4000 and the 8 second RDS8000. These units are fun, > reliable and very rugged and are best used for setting "static" looping > conditions such as preset delays for vocals from the microsecond range to the > millisecond range with one or more "echos" added to the mix. It has a very > nice flanging capability, and as mentioned earlier up to 8 seconds of looping > capability. I haven't used it in a while but I think you can record an > infinite number of loops over the delay pattern. Unlike the Jamman, you > cannot set up a tempo dynamically (no tap tempo). However, the range of > delay from the smallest to longest is controlled by a pot. and a range > selector. The selector gives the range such as 1ms 2ms 1 sec 2sec 4sec and > 8sec and the other which allows you to vary that range from the smallest to > the next level, for example 1ms to 2ms range is selectable when the selector > is on the 1ms range and the pot. is rotated from the left to the right. I > haven't tried it yet, but I wanted to use the RDS8000 for a poor man's stereo > by placing it on my stereo mixer using a mono signal (such as my vocals) and > on one of the channels adding a slight delay to increase spatiality. All in > all, a fun toy at a cheap price, I paid $125.00 6 years ago. > > HAVE FUN! I have a 7.6 sec. time machine by digitech,and i'll pass this on.I > made a foot controller from a volume pedel and a few parts from radio > shack.since the device is operated by controlled voltage I hooked up a 9v power > supply to an on and off button, then it goes to a volume pot for range of delay > then to the pot in the pedel for sweeping within the range set by the first > pot!You plug it into the cv in jack on the back.I also use a roland tr-626 drum > machine that puts out a +5v pulse,this sets the length of the echo to the > beat.its so easy!Jeff From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 10:20:19 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 11 09:42:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVKKQ-0007l4-00; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:42:18 -0800 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:27:32 -0500 (EST) From: MiqSk8@aol.com Message-ID: <971111122632_1404271543@mrin58.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: For Sale Resent-Message-ID: <"dvUCLD.A.H7F.HXJa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1132 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:42:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 77e664793405d154fdd90b1f49e3b0f5 am very interested as well, if you haven't been swallowed whole From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 10:41:05 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 11 10:24:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVKyk-0003ub-00; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:23:58 -0800 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:09:36 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: darcyc@srvr5.engin.umich.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9710108791.AA879189881@ccbbn5.dttus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Darcy Clark Subject: Re: Vortex For Sale Resent-Message-ID: <"gLNUGB.A.vVC.j9Ja0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1133 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:23:58 -0800 X-UIDL: fc3f0141a75a67f75c5f1d46b986808a If there are any other Vortexes (Vortii ??) gathering dust anywhere, please email me personally (darcyc@engin.umich.edu). I am sure the for $125 has been gobbled up already. I keep just missing out on these units, and its driving me nuts !! thanks for the bandwidth Darcy > Lexicon Vortex w/2 foot controllers - $125.00 neg. > > If interested please email me at brijackson@dttus.com > > Brian Darcy Clark +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Materials Science and Engineering Department University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2136 USA +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Room 2130, Dow Building Phone (313) 764 3377 Fax (313) 763 4788 E-mail darcyc@engin.umich.edu http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/mse250 http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/people/darcyc/ http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 21:29:18 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 11 10:58:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVLWM-0007Y4-00; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:58:42 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820BAB98@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:40:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: AW: Vortex info Resent-Message-ID: <"b7yXY.A.9XF.DcKa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1134 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:58:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 8f9f436ebdd8125425a09dbedb5cc44d Haible Juergen wrote: > > Delay time itself is set by tapping in a tempo with a >footswitch or > > front panel button. Each delay is set to some fraction of >this tempo. > > This makes it easy to get perfect cross-rhythms, such as three >against two > > (or seven against thirteen, or whatever), in time with your >playing. > >Would it be possible to set the delay time by electronic (switch-) >triggers instead of foot switches? >Well sure it would work to replace the foot switches, but the question >is does it work *continously*, for example syncing the delay to >the clock of an analogue sequencer or arpeggiator? (Or does the >tap tempo only work in a kind of "learn" mode?) >What, if the clock rate changes - will the Vortex' delay time follow? >Faster should be easier than longer, I guess. > >Does the Vortex do things like that? >Are there other Delay boxes that do such things? The OB Echoplex can sync continuously to the old type of pulse clock from old sequencers and arpeggiators, using the BeatSync jack. It also works with other pulses, like drum triggers. You can even use audio sources, like a metronome output or a mic'd drum or even a guitar. Just has to be some kind of pulse. The sync operates the same as midi sync for setting loop times, and keeping them in time. The echoplex can also drive pulse clocks out the same jack, so you could sync the arpeggiator to the loop. I don't know of any other delay boxes that can do anything like that. Most devices use midi clock if they do anything. I'd love to hear about anyone using the echoplex this way, actually. I know it works, but I haven't seen it truly being used yet! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 21:30:30 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 11 20:26:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVUNL-0002h1-00; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:25:59 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820BAB98@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Re: AW: Vortex info Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:19:03 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"t1XU7B.A.g7B.C5Sa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1135 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:25:59 -0800 X-UIDL: 70d0584e8ac5d012e6cb658d7c8b413c Hey Kim , ever hook up the ever unreliable Cyclone to the Beat sync? From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 23:41:48 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 11 22:43:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVWVv-0004U2-00; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:42:59 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820BAB98@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:01:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: cyclone (was Vortex info) Resent-Message-ID: <"3y5lxD.A.8iD.U5Ua0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1136 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:42:59 -0800 X-UIDL: 02bd7d35144959f9c1aaf1d352fa93b9 At 11:19 PM -0500 11/11/97, klaw@iglou.com wrote: >Hey Kim , ever hook up the ever unreliable Cyclone to the Beat sync? No, I never did anything with the OB cyclone. Those funny little boxes predated my time in the Gibson asylum. I'm aware of a small subset of musicians who love the cyclone and swear by it's creative possibilities. I guess it took a very motivated personality to actually figure it out. Are you one of them? Does it use a pulse sync? I don't even know. The OB Strummer though, I never could figure out why anyone would want that... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 23:41:49 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 11 22:43:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVWW1-0004Ud-00; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:43:05 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34687C71.FF935A5@bellsouth.net> References: <971111070530_277096659@mrin52.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:09:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Digitech RDS 800 Resent-Message-ID: <"rdr3CC.A.7jD.Z5Ua0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1137 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:43:05 -0800 X-UIDL: ff12faa254ee608d743ca7f3e26187a9 Hey all you RDS8000 fans, how about if one of you collects all the great info that's been posted lately and make it a web page for the Looper's Delight website? Then people can easily learn all about it and the story will be available forever. Remember: The Looper's Delight site survives and prospers by volunteers helping out. The few of us working on this can only do so much, so if you can think of some way you might contribute, please do! Believe me, if I were the only one doing this, it would really suck. Big thanks to everyone who has put in a little time (or a lot) to help out! kim >ANET@aol.com wrote: > >> I own an RDS8000 as well as a JAMMAN. The RDS8000 would be best described >> as an early entry into digital looping by Digitech. They made two models, a >> 4 second machine RDS4000 and the 8 second RDS8000. These units are fun, >> reliable and very rugged and are best used for setting "static" looping >> conditions such as preset delays for vocals from the microsecond range >>to the >> millisecond range with one or more "echos" added to the mix. It has a very >> nice flanging capability, and as mentioned earlier up to 8 seconds of >>looping >> capability. I haven't used it in a while but I think you can record an >> infinite number of loops over the delay pattern. Unlike the Jamman, you >> cannot set up a tempo dynamically (no tap tempo). However, the range of >> delay from the smallest to longest is controlled by a pot. and a range >> selector. The selector gives the range such as 1ms 2ms 1 sec 2sec 4sec and >> 8sec and the other which allows you to vary that range from the smallest to >> the next level, for example 1ms to 2ms range is selectable when the selector >> is on the 1ms range and the pot. is rotated from the left to the right. I >> haven't tried it yet, but I wanted to use the RDS8000 for a poor man's >>stereo >> by placing it on my stereo mixer using a mono signal (such as my vocals) and >> on one of the channels adding a slight delay to increase spatiality. All in >> all, a fun toy at a cheap price, I paid $125.00 6 years ago. >> >> HAVE FUN! I have a 7.6 sec. time machine by digitech,and i'll pass this on.I >> made a foot controller from a volume pedel and a few parts from radio >> shack.since the device is operated by controlled voltage I hooked up a >>9v power >> supply to an on and off button, then it goes to a volume pot for range >>of delay >> then to the pot in the pedel for sweeping within the range set by the first >> pot!You plug it into the cv in jack on the back.I also use a roland >>tr-626 drum >> machine that puts out a +5v pulse,this sets the length of the echo to the >> beat.its so easy!Jeff ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 02:00:34 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 00:55:06 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVYZk-00043v-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:55:04 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820BAB98@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Re: cyclone (was Vortex info) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:51:06 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"64OIe.A.ejD.B4Wa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1138 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:55:04 -0800 X-UIDL: f84cbe20337e253177df6bf93a41ede4 No pun intended on this tornadic thread here. Seriously I do use a Cyclone & while it is totally unreliable as a live dependable piece its great for recording & sampling & for that matter Looping!Ive achieved some amazing heard once never again rhythms with this little logic defying gray block of plastic. This thing does what it wants. Thats all there is to it.Be prepared to spend hours reading & tweaking until you think youve got it all figured out and...without any warning it clears its memory !Since it uses midi notes try running your midi controller keyboard etc thru it on the way to your sampler then get ready. Predictive this thing is not.The programming is deep & frankly sometimes baffling to me. The manual tries to make sense of the cryptic symbols on the front panel but ends up being more cryptic. THe thing is fun though and I do use it alot . Ill arpeggiate 3 or more samples going into the Plex(audio loop)and it will always do something that will surprise me . In my expierence the Echoplex does not like to be Cycloned midiwise however.The front panel does some weird exotic stuff when in its path. Totally unuseable for some applications absolutely brillant for others> pickup one up cheap if you can. Kim I tried Beat sync & I cant get it happenin. Im sending out pulses using a Sound Sculpture SwitchBlade into the Bs input with< sync in> enabled .. nothing whats up? Thanks K Law From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:26:10 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 13:57:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVkmR-00004y-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:56:59 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:37:22 +0300 Message-ID: <0000535C.4007@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re: Frisell live To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Leonardo Cavallo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"GDRw8B.A.bMG.NOia0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1167 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:56:59 -0800 X-UIDL: eb14bef98b84ccb763171f62334efcb2 That's it. Lets get rid of the sync paranoia. Long life for the freestyle looping aproach. Miguel ___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________ Assunto: Frisell live Autor: Leonardo Cavallo na internet Data: 12/11/1997 13:49 Hi Yesterday I've seen Bill Frisell live for the second time this year. Not with his new quartet (the first time) but in duo with Joey Baron. As I hoped for this kind of line up, there was a big amount of looping in the show. Frisell uses the same device with two pedals and some knob on it (rds 8000 i think). He mounts it over a little reverb/delay half rack and that was all. Some interesting notes I didn't notice the first time (when looping was quite minimal): - Frisell develops and builds his loops in silence. He plays some notes in the air to begin, then you can see him picking and strumming but no sound comes out from the amps. Baron often starts to play and still there's no loop playing. Suddenldly Frisell gives the loop volume and you hear this REALLY ODD phrases and sounds coming out. He uses pitch and speed knob a lot to alter the sound of his loops. - There was no sync between the loops and Baron drumming. It was something wanted and the effect was really interesting. Also when the loop were extremely rhythmic. Not only layers and sounds with no rythmic reference but arpeggios and bass notes too, crossing the bars without any sync to the beats of the songs. - For this kind of lineup Frisell uses the loops to have a bigger sound and to set the mood of the piece . Quite often without any harmonic (or rhytmic, as above) relationship with his improvisation lines played over the loop. Great show (not only for the looping side...) ciao leo From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:32:49 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 02:22:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVZwf-0007c8-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 02:22:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820C0C51@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> From: Haible Juergen To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: AW: AW: Vortex info Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:02:47 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"fjIWt.A.M1G.eJYa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1139 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 02:22:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 92a4a3c49df9e4957a5e213aa60ecaf6 >The OB Echoplex can sync continuously to the old type of pulse clock from >old sequencers and arpeggiators, using the BeatSync jack. It also works >with other pulses, like drum triggers. You can even use audio sources, like >a metronome output or a mic'd drum or even a guitar. Just has to be some >kind of pulse. The sync operates the same as midi sync for setting loop >times, and keeping them in time. The echoplex can also drive pulse clocks >out the same jack, so you could sync the arpeggiator to the loop. This sounds amazing ! You know, one of my favorite things is playing lead lines on other synths, while my OB-8's (from Oberheim's glory days!) arpeggiator plays percussive patterns into a multitap delay (SRS-56). Then, after some minutes of freaking out, I set the arpeggiator to a much slower rate, and adjust the OB-8's envelopes accordingly, which will now produce very slowly rising and fading notes, and I love calming down and playing very slow melody fragments over this pattern. It would be very pleasant to have a delay that follows such extreme tempo changes seamlessly. But there is one thing I don't quite understand: Asuming in the "fast" part, the Echoplex would be triggered every 500ms, and then suddenly the triggers only come every 10 seconds. Does the Echoplex really wait these 10 seconds until it resets its cycle, or does it only wait during some time "window" ? And what does it play from 0.5s to 10s during the first long loop (there isn't anything stored in this place of the RAM, I asume?) Sorry for the stupid question - I just cannot imagine what would happen. JH. From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:32:51 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 03:13:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVajE-0002d9-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:13:00 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:08:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711121108.GAA16992@mcfeely.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: How much should you pay for a JAMMAN--GRATITUDE Resent-Message-ID: <"-xhrj.A.yGC.Y4Ya0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1140 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:13:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 384cd482dd018521abb8d4a431f37f18 At 12:42 PM 11/10/97 -0800, you wrote: >At 12:02 PM 11/10/97 PST, Jeffrey Robert wrote: >>What's the going rate for a NEW JAMMAN? OLD JAMMAN? > >New Jammans probably would cost you about $50,000, since Lexicon stopped >making them quite a while ago and you would have to put it in production >yourself! > >Used ones seem to be over $300 and rising. We should put a graph on the web >page..... > >kim > > After about two months of chasing smoldering leads, some kind soul posted to this group about a demo lanquishing in a music store--I was the first of three callers the next day (the salesman was surprised, to say the least)--paid more than I had hoped $325&tax&freight (but it does have the factory warranty :) Then another kind soul posted about the 32 sec memory upgrade from Visionsoft, which I'm expecting this week-- $ 31.80 plus $ 7 shipping (damnn, those old chips are heavy) I haven't even really run my didgeridus through the thing yet--I'm having way too much fun doing the Tibetan chorus and Tuvan throat singing thing and phasing it with my DOD delay pedal. Thanks for all the info--you guys (and gals?) are good! Tom PS Now if I only had a Vortex :( . . . (Brian J.--are you listening?) Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:32:54 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 03:25:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVavi-0003wC-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:25:54 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:21:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711121121.GAA18352@mcfeely.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: DOD FX-98 Resent-Message-ID: <"gTsSkB.A.iOD.PFZa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1141 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:25:54 -0800 X-UIDL: a687f1bbf62c4e206a700ba0e69fdc1d At 02:37 AM 11/9/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Has anyone bought/used a DOD FX-98? Priced at only $99.50 with 8 seconds >delay and an 18 bit signal path it sounds to good to be true. IS it looper >friendly? How does it sound? Should I dump my SDD-2000 for one? Where do >babies REALLY come from? > >steve d > Big question is, "Does it exist?) I called DOD about two months ago and they hemmed and hawed and said maybe this winter . . . I have yet to see one I bought a 94 (4 seconds delay--no reverse) for $ 110 discounted after Ed Chang's helpful post and am generally pleased with it (alittle regenerative whine with some inputs) but sounds ok 12 bit sampling Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:32:55 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 03:31:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVb0f-0004Sp-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:31:01 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:25:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711121125.GAA18658@mcfeely.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: ADA S1000 delay Resent-Message-ID: <"Tty9w.A.4pD.wIZa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1142 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:31:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 8ce1cb250af80fdef645804bc54a0f77 Any one have any comments on this unit--thinking of m/o ing a used one for $75 one sec. delay, chorus, flange particularly, sound quality, and tricks tanks, Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:32:55 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 03:49:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVbIC-0006Js-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:49:08 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:43:37 -0500 (EST) From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <971112064336_-556883897@mrin54.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ADA S1000 delay Resent-Message-ID: <"NIjNeB.A.xeF.naZa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1143 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:49:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 459b3a9229b41c7913df040e0a50c8bd a friend of mine has one in his studio that he uses for chorus and flange and really likes the sound. i don't think he really uses it for delay so much. (he isn't the looping type too much anyway:O) he swears by its chorus and flange capabilities though. =-) PJ From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:33:38 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 09:56:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVh1u-0005F9-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:56:42 -0800 Message-ID: <346996E2.1C52@hom.net> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:45:38 +0200 From: David & Daniel Ferguson Reply-To: breakz@hom.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-SPRY (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Yamaha SU10 References: <3.0.1.32.19971112181808.006d3f90@mail.dlc.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Uu_rUC.A.2qD.5sea0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1155 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:56:42 -0800 X-UIDL: a427b8dbf945ac760b181b6bf0c2b856 A friend of mine has a SU10, and it is phat, I would recomend it highly. Daniel From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:32:58 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 04:52:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVcHs-0002MG-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 04:52:52 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:47:56 -0500 (EST) From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <971112074756_460166868@mrin40.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Frisell live Resent-Message-ID: <"FmF5DD.A.t7B.7Waa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1145 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 04:52:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 148f9ed2ec913138d8e8f3fdd45eed20 actually i think he uses a digitech echo +. that is what he used in his instructional video. he is awesome. it must have been a great show!! =-) PJ From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:32:57 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 04:47:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVcCO-0001ti-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 04:47:12 -0800 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Frisell live Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:49:18 +0100 Message-ID: <19971112124914546.AAA206@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"pEKZe.A.ofB.oQaa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1144 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 04:47:12 -0800 X-UIDL: f7050e18f0854dc8885659e86e9f3828 Hi Yesterday I've seen Bill Frisell live for the second time this year. Not with his new quartet (the first time) but in duo with Joey Baron. As I hoped for this kind of line up, there was a big amount of looping in the show. Frisell uses the same device with two pedals and some knob on it (rds 8000 i think). He mounts it over a little reverb/delay half rack and that was all. Some interesting notes I didn't notice the first time (when looping was quite minimal): - Frisell develops and builds his loops in silence. He plays some notes in the air to begin, then you can see him picking and strumming but no sound comes out from the amps. Baron often starts to play and still there's no loop playing. Suddenldly Frisell gives the loop volume and you hear this REALLY ODD phrases and sounds coming out. He uses pitch and speed knob a lot to alter the sound of his loops. - There was no sync between the loops and Baron drumming. It was something wanted and the effect was really interesting. Also when the loop were extremely rhythmic. Not only layers and sounds with no rythmic reference but arpeggios and bass notes too, crossing the bars without any sync to the beats of the songs. - For this kind of lineup Frisell uses the loops to have a bigger sound and to set the mood of the piece . Quite often without any harmonic (or rhytmic, as above) relationship with his improvisation lines played over the loop. Great show (not only for the looping side...) ciao leo From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:32:59 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 05:37:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVcyi-0004tW-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 05:37:08 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:33:06 +0000 Message-ID: <0009F995.001424@mail.bl.uk> From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) Subject: Re[2]: Frisell live To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"0R-3rC.A.aPE.n_aa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1146 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 05:37:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 9fc8b5cc00e2c703fcf5e20cf8fd47ec > actually i think he uses a digitech echo +. that is what he used in his > instructional video. I don't recall having heard mention of this before - do you have details of which company produced it, approximate date of release etc? Thanks David From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:33:13 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 07:27:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVehf-0005P6-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:27:39 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:17:26 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Dubofsky To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DOD FX-98 In-Reply-To: <199711121121.GAA18352@mcfeely.concentric.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"tg6Q7C.A.U5D.Oica0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1148 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:27:39 -0800 X-UIDL: a56b96c34b609deef447da7da9e0b887 > > > >Has anyone bought/used a DOD FX-98? Priced at only $99.50 with 8 seconds > >delay and an 18 bit signal path it sounds to good to be true. IS it looper > >friendly? How does it sound? Should I dump my SDD-2000 for one? Where do > >babies REALLY come from? > > Big question is, "Does it exist?) I called DOD about two months ago and they > hemmed and hawed and said maybe this winter . . . I have yet to see one > > I bought a 94 (4 seconds delay--no reverse) for $ 110 discounted after Ed > Chang's helpful post and am generally pleased with it (alittle regenerative > whine with some inputs) but sounds ok > 12 bit sampling It's in the new AMS catalog for $99.50, I'm going to order one unless they're lying about having it. steve d Skullsaw may cause irritation and watering of the eyes. DO NOT use Skullsaw if pregnant. Studies show Skullsaw may be habit forming. Consult your physician. http://www.gti.net/skullsaw From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:33:14 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 07:28:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVeil-0005ZE-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:28:47 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:17:32 -0500 (EST) From: Monkici@aol.com Message-ID: <971112101731_2071008665@mrin41.mail.aol.com> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: vortex trade? Resent-Message-ID: <"buefhD.A.bAE.Kjca0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1149 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:28:47 -0800 X-UIDL: dea5efffd0e2cc20de198af18dd66e4c would anyone be interested in trading a jamman for an excellent condition vortex? any other interesting trades? peace, ric 513 861 1687 From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:33:15 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 07:37:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVerX-0006ge-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:37:51 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:24:37 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: cyclone (was Vortex info) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"5ascoD.A.oGF.2rca0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1150 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:37:51 -0800 X-UIDL: ca6a5796437ecc76e170fa58c24e7476 On Tue, 11 Nov 1997, Kim Flint wrote: > The OB Strummer though, I never could figure out why anyone would want that... It's for all those guys who think that a sample of a guitar sounds even remotely like a guitar... -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:33:23 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 08:19:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVfW7-0002eC-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:19:47 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:12:54 -0500 (EST) From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <971112111253_935650688@mrin51.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Frisell live Resent-Message-ID: <"Iq5VhC.A.06B.EXda0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1151 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:19:47 -0800 X-UIDL: 9dfe127d5d29b1b4962ce8741bab6bca His instructional video? This I HAVE to see (really). Tell us more about it. I'm a big fan of Mr. Frissell and I've never heard anything about a video. T. Killian From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:33:26 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 08:32:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVfi3-00044l-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:32:07 -0800 From: Marc Lawrence Roche Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: How much should you pay for a JAMMAN--GRATITUDE Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:26:58 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcef87$cc19d640$0a2981d0@govinda.cyber-dyne.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"HPMV8D.A.3_C.8gda0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1152 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:32:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 0376a747fc9e4646901a11ebfc4adf06 For what it's worth, I sold mine (w/ expansion mem) for $500. Still waiting on my plex. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Lambrecht To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, November 12, 1997 7:11 PM Subject: Re: How much should you pay for a JAMMAN--GRATITUDE >At 12:42 PM 11/10/97 -0800, you wrote: >>At 12:02 PM 11/10/97 PST, Jeffrey Robert wrote: >>>What's the going rate for a NEW JAMMAN? OLD JAMMAN? >> >>New Jammans probably would cost you about $50,000, since Lexicon stopped >>making them quite a while ago and you would have to put it in production >>yourself! >> >>Used ones seem to be over $300 and rising. We should put a graph on the web >>page..... >> >>kim >> >> > >After about two months of chasing smoldering leads, some kind soul posted to >this group about a demo lanquishing in a music store--I was the first of >three callers the next day (the salesman was surprised, to say the >least)--paid more than I had hoped $325&tax&freight (but it does have the >factory warranty :) > >Then another kind soul posted about the 32 sec memory upgrade from >Visionsoft, which I'm expecting this week-- $ 31.80 plus $ 7 shipping >(damnn, those old chips are heavy) > >I haven't even really run my didgeridus through the thing yet--I'm having >way too much fun doing the Tibetan chorus and Tuvan throat singing thing and >phasing it with my DOD delay pedal. > >Thanks for all the info--you guys (and gals?) are good! > >Tom > >PS Now if I only had a Vortex :( . . . (Brian J.--are you listening?) >Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net > > From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:33:28 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 08:45:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVfuv-0005YF-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:45:25 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:38:44 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Dubofsky To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: FS: Korg SDD-2000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Z1zAbD.A.peE.Yuda0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1153 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:45:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 0aa1d616aaef16d94f6964258f7f9f20 For Sale: Korg SDD-2000 - up to four seconds of delay and sampling, midi, delay can read midi clocks, does the usual flanging, chorusing, etc., 64 editable patches, excellant condition - $150.00 steve d Skullsaw may cause irritation and watering of the eyes. DO NOT use Skullsaw if pregnant. Studies show Skullsaw may be habit forming. Consult your physician. http://www.gti.net/skullsaw From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:33:33 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 09:20:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVgT6-00016s-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:20:44 -0800 From: James Barnett Message-Id: <199711121713.MAA06410@echonyc.com> Subject: Re: FS: Korg SDD-2000 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:13:05 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Steven Dubofsky" at Nov 12, 97 11:38:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ukW04C.A.yQ.rOea0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1154 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:20:44 -0800 X-UIDL: c1de1518a85830b88f0015c47d41b12f Sigh. From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:33:12 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 07:26:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVegj-0005Hc-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:26:41 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971112181808.006d3f90@mail.dlc.fi> X-Sender: boppo@mail.dlc.fi X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:18:08 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Bopster Subject: Yamaha SU10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"v4LaKC.A.PtD.rgca0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1147 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:26:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 6f5478763fccc849656ce2843b0f6351 Hello loopers, I've been searching for something to loop my vocals/some drums on (mostly in live situations), and to do some small sampling with. Yesterday I found a Yamaha SU10, which seems like an acceptable alternative for me (the music stores in Finland are quite crappy...). If anyone has any excperience with this little baby, please tell me about it. Thank you, Bopster From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 15:42:33 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 11:17:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWniM-0000wm-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 11:17:06 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 11:19:56 CST From: "Brian L Jackson" Message-Id: <9710148795.AA879559624@ccbbn1.dttus.com> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: JAMMAN Upgrades? Resent-Message-ID: <"DvXLmB.A.Bm.-Qfb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1231 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 11:17:06 -0800 X-UIDL: 771ade5c3e341b626360a2a329661f21 I was looking through the list archives and ran across messages from earlier in the year about upgrades that were being considered for the Jamman. Did this ever happen? What is available? How much? etc. Brian From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:33:43 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 10:22:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVhQg-0000MZ-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:22:18 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:11:31 -0500 (EST) From: Drumworker@aol.com Message-ID: <971112131131_277265057@mrin45.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Advice wanted for Novice Looper Resent-Message-ID: <"8leIjB.A.gmG.RGfa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1156 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:22:18 -0800 X-UIDL: c696d4e4944992ca373f759e63ad4e68 I realize that this question has probably been asked several times before, so forgive me, but... Does the Echoplex have an "echo"-type setting that works in a way similar to the JamMan's? I intend to buy one or the other but don't know if I should own both!?! As usual, any advice/experience is appreciated. Paul O. From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 11:02:08 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 11:01:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVi2Y-0004ji-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:01:26 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820C0C51@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:49:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: BeatSync (was vortex info) Resent-Message-ID: <"AasneB.A._XD.Zqfa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1157 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:01:26 -0800 X-UIDL: faaa5a4567128b681e89d3a83fecf352 At 11:02 AM +0100 11/12/97, Haible Juergen wrote: > >The OB Echoplex can sync continuously to the old type of pulse >clock from > >old sequencers and arpeggiators, using the BeatSync jack. It >also works > >with other pulses, like drum triggers. You can even use audio >sources, like > >a metronome output or a mic'd drum or even a guitar. Just has >to be some > >kind of pulse. The sync operates the same as midi sync for >setting loop > >times, and keeping them in time. The echoplex can also drive >pulse clocks > >out the same jack, so you could sync the arpeggiator to the >loop. > >This sounds amazing ! >Asuming in the "fast" part, the Echoplex would be triggered every >500ms, and then suddenly the triggers only come every 10 seconds. >Does the Echoplex really wait these 10 seconds until it resets its >cycle, or does it only wait during some time "window" ? >And what does it play from 0.5s to 10s during the first long >loop (there isn't anything stored in this place of the RAM, I asume?) > >Sorry for the stupid question - I just cannot imagine what would happen. No, it won't do that I'm afraid. As the clock varies within a certain tolerance, the echoplex will stay in sync by retriggering the loop to keep it lined up. But if the tempo changes too much, it assumes that you don't want to stay in sync anymore and it stops trying. So then the loop just plays on in its normal length. The echoplex can't do time stretching or tape-speed-changing effects. Still very useful though, because most clocks have a lot of jitter and drift around in speed. The sync keep things lined up, so that the loop and the sequencer or whatever don't drift from each other. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 02:05:33 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 01:24:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWeT8-0002Ig-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 01:24:46 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 12:56:17 CST From: "Brian L Jackson" Message-Id: <9710148795.AA879565081@ccbbn1.dttus.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Advice wanted for Novice Looper Resent-Message-ID: <"id582D.A.SvB.1kWb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1224 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 01:24:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 3d38d7f88aa7cbe6ba3b889b4d719e55 >Message was resent -- Original recipients were: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com-------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------- I realize that this question has probably been asked several times before, so forgive me, but... Does the Echoplex have an "echo"-type setting that works in a way similar to the JamMan's? I intend to buy one or the other but don't know if I should own both!?! As usual, any advice/experience is appreciated. Paul O. If you have the means to purchase both do it! It would open up a whole world of possibilities. You could use the echo setting on the Jamman and Loop it on the Echoplex, or vice versa. Something I wish the Jamman could do alone. Very useful indeed. Brian From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:25:48 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 11:24:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xViOV-00079N-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:24:07 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820C0C51@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:14:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: BeatSync (was vortex info) Resent-Message-ID: <"P3pm_D.A.e1F.7Bga0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1158 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:24:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 8878a9b2c2409e15e6b24d3519b31d9f At 10:49 AM -0800 11/12/97, Kim Flint wrote: >At 11:02 AM +0100 11/12/97, Haible Juergen wrote: >> >The OB Echoplex can sync continuously to the old type of pulse >>clock from >> >old sequencers and arpeggiators, using the BeatSync jack. hmmmm. I said this while sleep-deprived....now that I've had a big jug of coffee I'm thinkin' it might not be quite exactly right. I'm not sure that BeatSync works with the old pulse type clocks. Pulses sent by metronomes or drum triggers or whatever, sure. But I'm not sure about those old clock lines. Does anyone know more about how those old clocks work? How many pulses are sent to define the time? It's possible it works, but I'm starting to doubt it. Matthias would know. BeatSync uses pulses to define the cycle time for the loop. So you might hit a drum trigger to define the start and stop times. (or the cycle times, if you are familiar with how the echoplex deals with cycles/multiplies/sync; meaning the total length can be some multiple of the defined cycle time.) If it turns out I'm wrong about the pulse clocks, sorry if I misled you.... kim >> It >>also works >> >with other pulses, like drum triggers. You can even use audio >>sources, like >> >a metronome output or a mic'd drum or even a guitar. Just has >>to be some >> >kind of pulse. The sync operates the same as midi sync for >>setting loop >> >times, and keeping them in time. The echoplex can also drive >>pulse clocks >> >out the same jack, so you could sync the arpeggiator to the >>loop. >> >>This sounds amazing ! > >>Asuming in the "fast" part, the Echoplex would be triggered every >>500ms, and then suddenly the triggers only come every 10 seconds. >>Does the Echoplex really wait these 10 seconds until it resets its >>cycle, or does it only wait during some time "window" ? >>And what does it play from 0.5s to 10s during the first long >>loop (there isn't anything stored in this place of the RAM, I asume?) >> >>Sorry for the stupid question - I just cannot imagine what would happen. > >No, it won't do that I'm afraid. As the clock varies within a certain >tolerance, the echoplex will stay in sync by retriggering the loop to keep >it lined up. But if the tempo changes too much, it assumes that you don't >want to stay in sync anymore and it stops trying. So then the loop just >plays on in its normal length. The echoplex can't do time stretching or >tape-speed-changing effects. Still very useful though, because most clocks >have a lot of jitter and drift around in speed. The sync keep things lined >up, so that the loop and the sequencer or whatever don't drift from each >other. > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:25:53 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 12:35:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVjVs-0006vM-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:35:48 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCEF7A.BCB10E60@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: Lexicon Vortex for Sale Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:52:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-J1r6.A.QeF.LDha0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1159 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:35:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 10e821f9bdfab8b9b3dde5f40779b6b2 There's a Lexicon Vortex for sale at Big Daddy's. Here are the particulars: http://www.ugbm.com/munit.htm Lexicon Vortex - VG $159.99 Product ID - LEX7342 Mark Kata From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:25:57 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 12:43:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVjdP-0007lj-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:43:35 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:33:10 -0500 (EST) From: Pete Koniuto Reply-To: Pete Koniuto To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Thursday: PROJECT LO Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"RDiL7D.A.FVG.FLha0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1160 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:43:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 54ad97cff7b2a6aadfac8b941b912c31 Looperfolk, Just a reminder to those in the Massachusettes area that Project Lo, featuring CARYN LIN, BON LOZAGA, et al, will be performing tomorrow night! (This event has been anticipated with much drool for many months. I'll try to contain myself at the show.) Johnny D.'s Davis Square, Somerville 9:00p $6 cover (so they tell me) Hope to see a good crowd there, supporting looing artists' live performances in the Boston area! Should be a fabulous show! Will tell afterwards. Until next time, Pete Koniuto ----------------- Music Library Boston University 617-353-3705 pkoniuto@bu.edu ----------------- From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:26:04 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 13:22:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVkEn-0003rE-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:22:13 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:11:26 -0500 (EST) From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <971112161124_1862259833@mrin41.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Frisell live Resent-Message-ID: <"Qnf5QD.A.7oC.9uha0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1161 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:22:13 -0800 X-UIDL: 087728b9fe6a80bd443c7ca4a84f845c digitech made the echo +. it is a pedal with i think 8 seconds of delay. you can find them used for about 100-150 bucks. =-) PJ From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:26:05 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 13:28:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVkKk-0004bV-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:28:22 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:16:33 -0500 (EST) From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <971112161632_-1039712480@mrin43.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Frisell live Resent-Message-ID: <"J5ln0.A.MHD.yzha0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1163 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:28:22 -0800 X-UIDL: 6906775c393db140af25e7cc3cc4107d the video is called The Guitar Artistry of Bill Frisell. It is about an hour and has his old trio of kermit and joey. they play "When We Go," "Strange Meeting," "Rag," and "The Days of Wine and Roses." Bill also discusses his influences, gear, technique, harmony and arranging. it is a pretty cool video but more for the music than the information. it can be bought in Sam Ashe. it is marketed by Rittor Music. =-) PJ From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:26:06 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 13:28:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVkKv-0004dC-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:28:33 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:17:05 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: darcyc@srvr5.engin.umich.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BCEF7A.BCB10E60@mark.asisoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Darcy Clark Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex for Sale Resent-Message-ID: <"LD6HhB.A.kDD.Vzha0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1162 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:28:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 4757026aff817845b798d845db60d118 As usual I got there just after someone else bought it, DOH !!! Darcy >There's a Lexicon Vortex for sale at Big Daddy's. Here are the particulars: > >http://www.ugbm.com/munit.htm >Lexicon Vortex - VG >$159.99 >Product ID - LEX7342 > >Mark Kata Darcy Clark +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Materials Science and Engineering Department University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2136 USA +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Room 2130, Dow Building Phone (313) 764 3377 Fax (313) 763 4788 E-mail darcyc@engin.umich.edu http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/mse250 http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/people/darcyc/ http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:26:07 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 13:31:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVkN5-0004tG-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:30:47 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 14:17:26 MST Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "Bret Moreland" Subject: re:OB midi boxes (was cyclone (was Vortex info)) X-Incognito-SN: 368 X-Incognito-Version: 4.10.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"1xM5HD.A._ZD.X2ha0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1164 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:30:47 -0800 X-UIDL: a547481e366f51aa28fa791be598b7ba >Kim wrote: >The OB Strummer though, I never could figure out why anyone would want that... ----------------- Speaking of these OB midi boxes, do any of you have experience with the Oberheim Drummer? The description I see says that the drum patterns in the OB will respond to an audio input, say a guitar or bass, and create fills, etc. Is it musical? I miss playing with a drummer. I don't enjoy creating patterns on my Alesis HR-16 (though I like the drum sample sounds), and besides, they just repeat the program. No dynamic response to live performance. If the OB would control my Alesis, play a basic beat, and respond to what I play in some directed manner, this might feel more like working with a live drummer. Re Jamman availability and cost, I saw an internet ad for a Jamman for over $700 yesterday. The copy said "it's a steal" at that price. While this price is clearly absurd, I hope there isn't a trend of price upflex on the used market for the Jamman. I sold mine, with full memory for $250 this year. The world needs an inexpensive dedicated, HiFi loop box for the people who would never think of spending the money for an EDP, but would still have the time of their lives with a looper. The guy I sold mine to never expressed any interest in loopers, until I gave him the Jamman to try. After 1 night with it he was sold! bret From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:26:08 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 13:37:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVkSw-0005ar-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:36:50 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971112212705.008d6498@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:27:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex for Sale Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"tyQO3C.A.EME.z8ha0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1165 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:36:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 6900875e58c28870d3e89ae83e50afe4 With Jammans going over $500 and Vortexes selling within minutes, it's beginning to sound like investing in JamMans and Vortexes might be more profitable than the stock market..... Anyone want to sell stock in their Vortex? Maybe we can arrange an echoplex/vortex stock swap? :-) kim At 04:17 PM 11/12/97 -0500, Darcy Clark wrote: >As usual I got there just after someone else bought it, DOH !!! > >Darcy > >>There's a Lexicon Vortex for sale at Big Daddy's. Here are the particulars: >> >>http://www.ugbm.com/munit.htm >>Lexicon Vortex - VG >>$159.99 >>Product ID - LEX7342 >> >>Mark Kata > > >Darcy Clark >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Materials Science and Engineering Department >University of Michigan >Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2136 >USA >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Room 2130, Dow Building >Phone (313) 764 3377 >Fax (313) 763 4788 >E-mail darcyc@engin.umich.edu >http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/mse250 >http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/people/darcyc/ >http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:26:09 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 13:48:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVkeM-0006uq-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:48:38 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:38:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711122138.QAA26784@newman.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex for Sale Resent-Message-ID: <"3fpNoB.A.PbF.SHia0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1166 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:48:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 085a81251e831185aa59a2069a89cbb0 At 02:52 PM 11/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >There's a Lexicon Vortex for sale at Big Daddy's. Here are the particulars: > >http://www.ugbm.com/munit.htm >Lexicon Vortex - VG >$159.99 >Product ID - LEX7342 > >Mark Kata > > > > It doseny' exist--twas sold at least two weeks ago when I first called, tho it is still cluttering up their website. Call and give em some shit Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:26:11 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 13:58:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVknY-0000D1-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:58:08 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:45:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex for Sale Resent-Message-ID: <"sfDhNB.A.ufG.4Qia0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1168 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:58:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 95ca337ba924ca9a4bfa6bae85e32a26 >With Jammans going over $500 and Vortexes selling within minutes, it's >beginning to sound like investing in JamMans and Vortexes might be more >profitable than the stock market..... > >Anyone want to sell stock in their Vortex? Maybe we can arrange an >echoplex/vortex stock swap? :-) > >kim > I can see it now, the JamMan/Vortex becomes the next TB 303/TR 808. Selling for $1200 bucks each. Endless internet arguments claiming that you can't do REAL loop music unles you have a JamMan. I can hardly wait. But who'll become the Josh Wink of the JamMan? ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:26:18 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 14:18:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVl7I-0002PQ-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:18:32 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971112214919.008ef4fc@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:49:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: re:OB midi boxes (was cyclone (was Vortex info)) Cc: Resent-Message-ID: <"CDyAmC.A.wUB.Ukia0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1170 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:18:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 247fd7c2c67cde2ccfc507e800a786ac I always thought the OB Drummer sounded interesting too. I only had a brief opportunity to play around with it once, ironically using it to control an HR-16 drum machine. Even then I think I just had it do the on-board demo. I don't remember it too well, but I do remember it doing interesting things with tempo variations and giving the patterns a "human" feel. It's probably never been super popular since it doesn't actually contain it's own sounds, just midi drum sequences. But in some respects that makes it more interesting, because you aren't constrained by a limited set of samples on a given drum machine device. And as I recall, it has a very large number of drum pattern sequences programmed into it. Chances are a lot of them are better than most of us could come up with on our own, especially if you just want something quick. And the real-world responsiveness part would be really cool if it works. Maybe one of the Oberheim folk could further enlighten us? kim At 02:17 PM 11/12/97 MST, Bret Moreland wrote: > >>Kim wrote: > >>The OB Strummer though, I never could figure out why anyone would want >that... >----------------- > >Speaking of these OB midi boxes, do any of you have experience with the >Oberheim Drummer? The description I see says that the drum patterns in >the OB will respond to an audio input, say a guitar or bass, and create >fills, etc. > >Is it musical? I miss playing with a drummer. I don't enjoy creating >patterns on my Alesis HR-16 (though I like the drum sample sounds), and >besides, they just repeat the program. No dynamic response to live >performance. If the OB would control my Alesis, play a basic beat, and >respond to what I play in some directed manner, this might feel more like >working with a live drummer. > >Re Jamman availability and cost, I saw an internet ad for a Jamman for >over $700 yesterday. The copy said "it's a steal" at that price. While >this price is clearly absurd, I hope there isn't a trend of price upflex >on the used market for the Jamman. I sold mine, with full memory for $250 >this year. The world needs an inexpensive dedicated, HiFi loop box for >the people who would never think of spending the money for an EDP, but >would still have the time of their lives with a looper. The guy I sold >mine to never expressed any interest in loopers, until I gave him the >Jamman to try. After 1 night with it he was sold! > >bret > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:26:11 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 14:01:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVkqW-0000YX-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:01:12 -0800 Message-Id: <97Nov12.155045cst.26889@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:50:24 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: re:OB midi boxes (was cyclone (was Vortex info)) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ZfmMU.A.ryG.aTia0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1169 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:01:12 -0800 X-UIDL: b2bcf7413dde3a51ebdf5ecb69e89c03 If I may quote Mark Vail's July 1991 review of the Drummer... "Compared to the playback capabilities of...drum machines, Drummer pretty much sits on its own drum throne...it can start when you do, it'll get louder when you do, and it will play a fill to occupy the gap in the music - automatically. One of the neatest benefits of Song Mode is that, should presets with different tempos be strung together, Drummer will - during playback- start adjusting the tempo of the following preset. Thus, there will be smooth, rather than abrupt, changes in tempo. Drummer belongs in the catagory of devices that, with minimal user orientation, can be integrated into a MIDI setup and start generating satifying results almost immediately. ...Once you get familiar with it, you'll probably develop a closer relationship with Drummer than you've had with any drum machine, bercause you won't be stuk with programmed drum tracks that play exactly the same part everytime" I have seen used Drummers for very low cost. They retail new for $199.00. Tom At 03:17 PM 11/12/97 -0600, you wrote: > >>Kim wrote: > >>The OB Strummer though, I never could figure out why anyone would want >that... >----------------- > >Speaking of these OB midi boxes, do any of you have experience with the >Oberheim Drummer? The description I see says that the drum patterns in >the OB will respond to an audio input, say a guitar or bass, and create >fills, etc. > >Is it musical? I miss playing with a drummer. I don't enjoy creating >patterns on my Alesis HR-16 (though I like the drum sample sounds), and >besides, they just repeat the program. No dynamic response to live >performance. If the OB would control my Alesis, play a basic beat, and >respond to what I play in some directed manner, this might feel more like >working with a live drummer. > >Re Jamman availability and cost, I saw an internet ad for a Jamman for >over $700 yesterday. The copy said "it's a steal" at that price. While >this price is clearly absurd, I hope there isn't a trend of price upflex >on the used market for the Jamman. I sold mine, with full memory for $250 >this year. The world needs an inexpensive dedicated, HiFi loop box for >the people who would never think of spending the money for an EDP, but >would still have the time of their lives with a looper. The guy I sold >mine to never expressed any interest in loopers, until I gave him the >Jamman to try. After 1 night with it he was sold! > >bret > > > From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:26:38 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 16:11:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVmt1-0005ro-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:11:55 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:04:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: lowfrqcy@west.net (Ryan Blum) Subject: Re[2]: Frisell live Resent-Message-ID: <"ddSQdC.A.DyE._Pka0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1171 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:11:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 2cc53e749f1886ac45ca6a42f80a2a89 >> actually i think he uses a digitech echo +. that is what he used in his >> instructional video. >I don't recall having heard mention of this before - do you have details of >which company produced it, approximate date of release etc? The Echo+Plus is the market name for the 2-pedaled digitech monster we've been talking about (the PDS-8000). I'm looking at it right now, and somehow I've always neglected the "trigger input"...I didn't get the manual with mine, what might a pedal plugged in here do? I'm sure I could experiment, but that would involve me getting off of my duff to go buy a pedal. maybe later... Ryan -- "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." -Albert Einstein From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:26:59 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 20:02:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVqTc-0001m6-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:01:56 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Stop Plex gremlins! Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:55:53 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"UfBmYB.A.qJB.Mpna0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1172 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:01:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 44010d9dc19a826e59b9d2f02815ef7a Oh No now its happening to me... again. O.K.,(deep breath) has anyone here had a problem with the plex flashing the Ld 3.2 message along with 0.00 in the time slot?The front panel buttons dont get me anywhere. This just started last night. This problem seems to go away after reinitializing on boot up but its not holding my settings in memory.Is this hardware or will these little gremlins be swept away by installing Loop5.0?Please tell me this is a common problem and is something I ve missed reading in the bug list. Also the beat sync input does not function on my Echoplex anyone have this problem also? Help is more than greatly appreciated. Thanks everyone ! K Law From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:27:08 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 21:23:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVrk1-0000uG-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:22:57 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Re: Stop Plex gremlins! Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:17:16 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"ENnJRC.A.6S.h1oa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1177 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:22:57 -0800 X-UIDL: b894bf967a0e8cde5861af20cbfce9c4 > >>This problem seems to go away after reinitializing on >>boot up but its not holding my settings in memory. > >So the next time you switch it on (without holding Param), its crashing again? >>>>>>Yes until its re initialized. >>Is this hardware > >Probably the EEPROM (non volatile memory) > >>these little gremlins be swept away by installing Loop5.0? > >I doubt it. >>>>>>>Wonder if I could get Oberheim to send new EEPROM( without sending >>>>>>>unit into oblivion)Unit is still very much under warranty. >>Also the beat sync input does not function on my Echoplex > >Maybe you did not quite understand its function. >Does the Plex's green dot between the two multiple digits flash when its in >Reset and receives sync pulses? >If it does, the next Record will be quantized to fit into the puls pattern >it receives. From then on it will stay synced, confirming with the same >green dot whenever it corrects time. >>>>I was attempting to use it for stuttering effects as outlined in the >>>>manual & discussed recently on this list.I have tried using a >>>>footswitch & several audio sources with sync "In"enabled I also >>>>disconected midi but no action. On the subject : Is the upgrade available from Oberheim- Nashville now? Matthias thanks for your reply. K Law From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:27:01 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 20:47:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVrB8-0005Vo-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:46:54 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <97Nov12.155045cst.26889@gateway.gibson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:39:50 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: re:OB midi boxes (was cyclone (was Vortex info)) Resent-Message-ID: <"7Dt29.A.tLE.yPoa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1175 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:46:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 8010e896aadfed0efb761f3d0abc37d6 >If I may quote Mark Vail's July 1991 review of the Drummer... > >"Compared to the playback capabilities of...drum machines, Drummer pretty >much sits on its own drum throne...it can start when you do, it'll get >louder when you do, and it will play a fill to occupy the gap in the music >- automatically. > >One of the neatest benefits of Song Mode is that, should presets with >different tempos be strung together, Drummer will - during playback- start >adjusting the tempo of the following preset. Thus, there will be smooth, >rather than abrupt, changes in tempo. So now we have to create a looper that slowly adjusts to those tempo changes? As it changes between loops of different speeds? Oh boy... Matthias From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:27:01 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 20:46:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVrAz-0005Uy-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:46:45 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0000535C.4007@poyry.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:39:50 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: sync (was: Frisell live) Resent-Message-ID: <"YDwj5B.A.bKE.rPoa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1173 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:46:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 1350ec9b51d44e2fe980ea404fb960bd Miguel said > That's it. > Lets get rid of the sync paranoia. > Long life for the freestyle looping aproach. I know its not meant very seriously, but nevertheless I feel like saying: Syncing is a very natural, human, probably even ethic thing. We are learning about it on all levels, from daily live rhithms to human relations to globalization - nothing to get paranoid, but not to get rid of either, something to learn, through watches, pulses, phone calls, telepathic feelings... Ok, if the moon month was syncronized to the earth year, the chines calender would match the western... we are not all that powerfull and have to be able to live with or even love chaos, too... So each one works at a different front. Matthias From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:27:00 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 20:46:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVrAm-0005TH-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:46:32 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820C0C51@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:39:50 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: BeatSync (was vortex info) Resent-Message-ID: <"TK2qRC.A.4KE.uPoa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1174 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:46:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 268e52e0fb81c38ebfb219f52e273ea4 Juergens question: >>Asuming in the "fast" part, the Echoplex would be triggered every >>500ms, and then suddenly the triggers only come every 10 seconds. >>Does the Echoplex really wait these 10 seconds until it resets its >>cycle, or does it only wait during some time "window" ? >>And what does it play from 0.5s to 10s during the first long >>loop (there isn't anything stored in this place of the RAM, I asume?) >> >>Sorry for the stupid question - I just cannot imagine what would happen. Kims answer: >No, it won't do that I'm afraid. As the clock varies within a certain >tolerance, the echoplex will stay in sync by retriggering the loop to keep >it lined up. But if the tempo changes too much, it assumes that you don't >want to stay in sync anymore and it stops trying. So then the loop just >plays on in its normal length. The echoplex can't do time stretching or >tape-speed-changing effects. Still very useful though, because most clocks >have a lot of jitter and drift around in speed. The sync keep things lined >up, so that the loop and the sequencer or whatever don't drift from each >other. What great companion Kim sais is all true but maybe does not answer the question quite exactly: The sync corrections happens whenever a sync pulse comes in close to the loop end. I understand from Juergens example that the Plex contains a 500ms loop. When the sync signal does not come for 10 seconds, it repeats the 500ms phrase freely during the "time window" but does the syncing after 10 seconds since this is a multiple of 500ms. So yes, it stays in sync, but does not slow down 20 times, as you might want :-). And yes, if you slow down to say 9.8 seconds, it will not sync any more. Kim again, after strong coffee: >Does anyone know more about how those old clocks work? How many >pulses are sent to define the time? It's possible it works, but I'm >starting to doubt it. Matthias would know. Me? Never heard of "old clocks". I also assumed simple pulses... Matthias From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:27:02 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 20:57:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVrLE-0006ca-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:57:20 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:54:41 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Stop Plex gremlins! Resent-Message-ID: <"uxBfLD.A.KrF.mdoa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1176 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:57:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 15f66b0d0460e1e8c4bad9ce7eaee2e9 >Oh No now its happening to me... again. O.K.,(deep breath) has anyone here >had a problem with the plex flashing the Ld 3.2 message along with 0.00 in >the time slot?The front panel buttons dont get me anywhere. A software crash, maybe because it is not able to read the parameters. >This problem seems to go away after reinitializing on >boot up but its not holding my settings in memory. So the next time you switch it on (without holding Param), its crashing again? >Is this hardware Probably the EEPROM (non volatile memory) >these little gremlins be swept away by installing Loop5.0? I doubt it. >Also the beat sync input does not function on my Echoplex Maybe you did not quite understand its function. Does the Plex's green dot between the two multiple digits flash when its in Reset and receives sync pulses? If it does, the next Record will be quantized to fit into the puls pattern it receives. From then on it will stay synced, confirming with the same green dot whenever it corrects time. Matthias From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:27:13 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 23:23:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVtcj-0001h1-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:23:33 -0800 Message-ID: <346AABE7.F5096A66@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:27:35 -0500 From: mark sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu Organization: metaliminal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Zero Crossing. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <34604CAB.446B@scee.sony.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qLN3KD.A.SJB.rnqa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1178 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:23:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 8e9afe4d1eff71851dc2f246a48561ea Zero Crossing will be playing along with a few other experimental bands this friday at the Westcott community center in Syracuse NY from 7-10pm. Abstract Hip Hop for free! Whooo hoooo! Mark. From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 02:36:40 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 02:10:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVwET-0002mJ-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:10:41 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:31:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Stop Plex gremlins! Resent-Message-ID: <"rTnnc.A.PDC.JDta0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1179 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:10:41 -0800 X-UIDL: c8dbdb5ac892ed8b6c5188fb850a1908 At 12:17 AM -0500 11/13/97, klaw@iglou.com wrote: >> >>>This problem seems to go away after reinitializing on >>>boot up but its not holding my settings in memory. >> >>So the next time you switch it on (without holding Param), its crashing >>again? >>>>>>>Yes until its re initialized. >>>Is this hardware >> >>Probably the EEPROM (non volatile memory) >> >>>these little gremlins be swept away by installing Loop5.0? >> >>I doubt it. >>>>>>>>Wonder if I could get Oberheim to send new EEPROM( without sending >>>>>>>>unit into oblivion)Unit is still very much under warranty. It sounds like your problem is definitely hardware, and quite certainly caused by the parameters not being read properly out of the eeprom. A dead or sick eeprom is very likely, but it could also be caused by one of the parts that controls the eeprom. The ideal thing would be to have Oberheim repair it so that they can check it all out and replace the eeprom if necessary. They should be settled down from the move and management change by now, so that shouldn't be a problem. You could get the new software put in at the same time.... Or you could buy the eeprom from digikey, they only cost about $.80. It's a pain to replace though, because you have to take the whole circuit board out to desolder the old one. Definitely not something to attempt unless you are knowledgeable about electronics repair. >>>Also the beat sync input does not function on my Echoplex >> >>Maybe you did not quite understand its function. >>Does the Plex's green dot between the two multiple digits flash when its in >>Reset and receives sync pulses? >>If it does, the next Record will be quantized to fit into the puls pattern >>it receives. From then on it will stay synced, confirming with the same >>green dot whenever it corrects time. >>>>>I was attempting to use it for stuttering effects as outlined in the >>>>>manual & discussed recently on this list.I have tried using a >>>>>footswitch & several audio sources with sync "In"enabled I also >>>>>disconected midi but no action. Ah, doing stuttering and loop retriggering is not the same as sync! That must be the confusion. You can use pulses on beatsync to retrigger loops (in addition to using them for sync). Do it this way: - Plug a momentary switch or drum trigger or some other pulse generating thing into BeatSync. - Record a loop - Press Mute - Press Multiply. Now you are in a "retrigger with beatsync mode" - Send pulse to BeatSync. The loop will trigger at the beginning and play once through. Each time you pulse BeatSync again it will retrigger the loop - that's how you get the stuttering. You can also do this with Mute-Insert, where each press of Insert retriggers the loop and gives the stuttering effects. Or another way is using midi for LoopTriggering, with SamplerStyle set to "one." Whatever works. Loop retriggering works better with the new software. There were some bugs fixed there, and some big changes in the way memory is used. In the old software it wouldn't do retriggers unless the loop was much shorter than the total available loop time. (which could also be your problem) With the new software you can retrigger with maximum length loops that take the whole memory, and there's no problem. >On the subject : Is the upgrade available from Oberheim- Nashville now? It better be! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 02:36:39 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 02:10:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVwEF-0002ku-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:10:27 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820C0C51@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:38:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: BeatSync (was vortex info) Resent-Message-ID: <"87W5s.A.iDC.LDta0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1180 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:10:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 2222bfdad31fe3ad6b44e08f3f317286 At 2:39 AM -0300 11/13/97, Matthias Grob wrote: >Kim again, after strong coffee: >>Does anyone know more about how those old clocks work? How many >>pulses are sent to define the time? It's possible it works, but I'm >>starting to doubt it. Matthias would know. > >Me? Never heard of "old clocks". I also assumed simple pulses... > >Matthias Me, sleep-deprived again: The question is about the type of clock generated by old analog arpeggiators and sequencers, from before midi. Does it send a pulse each beat? A pulse at each bar? At the beginning of the sequence? Or does it send many pulses for each beat, the way midi clock works? It would be fun to figure out how to sync the old analog stuff up to modern loopers. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 02:36:41 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 02:10:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVwEW-0002mi-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:10:44 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <971112131131_277265057@mrin45.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:02:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Advice wanted for Novice Looper Resent-Message-ID: <"Ra9GB.A.uEC.QDta0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1181 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:10:44 -0800 X-UIDL: b5338f2aac54b99b576b6cb1564f4bb3 At 1:11 PM -0500 11/12/97, Drumworker@aol.com wrote: >I realize that this question has probably been asked several times before, so >forgive me, but... > >Does the Echoplex have an "echo"-type setting that works in a way similar to >the JamMan's? I intend to buy one or the other but don't know if I should own >both!?! yes it has Delay mode, which I imagine is similar. Audio always goes into the delay line, like a traditional delay. The Overdub button then becomes a "hold" function, where feedback is set to 100% and audio is no longer added to the loop. Unlike the jamman, the echoplex's feedback can be set with much finer resolution. (I think the jamman only has 16 steps) All the other echoplex functions work the normal way in delay mode. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 10:19:21 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 03:31:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVxUs-0006Eg-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 03:31:42 -0800 From: Anthony Bowyer-Lowe To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at post.mail.demon.net Subject: Re: BeatSync (was vortex info) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:35:38 -0000 Message-ID: <01bcf01f$e268c260$LocalHost@amudarya> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"2ll_YB.A.PfF.aQua0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1182 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 03:31:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 77b739867bf5c00ca2922bfd6486c7aa >The question is about the type of clock generated by old analog >arpeggiators and sequencers, from before midi. Does it send a pulse each >beat? A pulse at each bar? At the beginning of the sequence? Or does it >send many pulses for each beat, the way midi clock works? Okay people... Well, sync24 is the most common vintage method of synchronising analogue equipment, as found on old drum machines (Roland TR808, TR606) and synths/sequencers (eg Roland MC-202). As it's name suggests, it consists of 24 voltage pulses (normally +5v, for around 5ms) per quarter note. Yup, just like midi clock... Also found is sync48, which is used by some old Korg drum machines, and consists of 48 pulses per quarter note. I just sync my Korg DDM220 to standard Roland sync24 (also known as Din Sync as it uses a 5 pin DIN plug, easily confused with midi), and program the Korg in double time... To confuse matters further, sync48 also uses a 5 pin Din plug. Most analogue sequencers and arpeggiators just have a trigger in/out which advance the sequence by one step. Usually just a positive going pulse (+5v), although some equipment used a negative going pulse (-5v), or a short to ground (S-Trig). >It would be fun to figure out how to sync the old analog stuff up to modern >loopers. I figure it'd be a great project (for people like us) to build a little sync utility box. It'd have a bunch of converters to convert between the varying types of pulse, and a clock divider which output a trigger every x input pulses... More information of this kind can be found through the analogue heaven mailing list (www.hyperreal.com/music/machines/) or synth-diy. Questions? Analogue freak, and budding looper, ynohtnA. -- Anthony Bowyer-Lowe. The Essence Of Anthony. http://www.amudarya.demon.co.uk/ From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 10:19:28 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 07:11:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW0vY-0001aJ-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:11:28 -0800 X-Sender: nicomonguzzi@mail.vtx.ch Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:31:04 +0100 To: Loopers Delight * Mail List From: "nicomonguzzi" Subject: Stuttering ? & jovanotti Resent-Message-ID: <"b3_Zj.A.G7.ucxa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1184 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:11:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 3bc0b74312023b3d447b28aa4f7797fd ciao a tutti. 1> anyone can explain the technique of STUTTERING... 2> yersteday evening i've seen a very nice concert of the italian rap funk singer Jovanotti with is very good band. The guitar player (maybe Michele Centonze, i'm not sure) was using an Echoplex. ciao ciao nicos From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 17:29:16 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 13:04:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW6Qp-0004Rz-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:04:07 -0800 Message-Id: <199711132042.MAA20920@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: going price for a eh 16 or a buchla thunder? Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 14:46:33 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"A_QelB.A.rED.bj2a0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1193 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:04:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 6e0ef71d64fbfece5270584d92b16e21 > >What do you all think is the going rate for a used EH 16 or a Buchla >Thunder? Cheapest I've seen a EH16 for is $800. $1200 is not unheard of. Travis From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 10:19:37 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 09:42:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW3Hf-0006od-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:42:27 -0800 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:31:30 -0500 (EST) From: MiqSk8@aol.com Message-ID: <971113123128_1104457371@mrin58.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex for Sale Resent-Message-ID: <"aYKVOB.A.cTF.wmza0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1185 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:42:27 -0800 X-UIDL: bbc8616e0801466cf90033f1aae788fe well, much to my own displeasure, i am forced to share a source that i really can't afford to take advantage of: http://iguana.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1814492 i am actually the high bidder on this-but i've had something else come up(a baby!!!) and auction web frowns on backing out.... i've talked with the owner-seems in good shape, includes wart, a/b and a continuous controller as well... help me(and yourself out).. pouting :( From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 10:19:40 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 10:04:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW3dE-0001Ww-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:04:44 -0800 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:53:27 -0500 (EST) From: MiqSk8@aol.com Message-ID: <971113125327_664226268@mrin44.mail.aol.com> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: re:vrotex for sale Resent-Message-ID: <"6lAVUD.A.gV.e7za0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1187 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:04:44 -0800 X-UIDL: c790a88c27d71c9077a5d2f5d57fba80 well, much to my own displeasure, i am forced to share a source that i really can't afford to take advantage of: http://iguana.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1814492 i am actually the high bidder on this-but i've had something else come up(a baby!!!) and auction web frowns on backing out.... i've talked with the owner-seems in good shape, includes wart, a/b and a continuous controller as well... help me(and yourself out).. pouting :( From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 17:29:07 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 11:28:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW4vv-0002V7-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:28:07 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:39:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Stuttering ? & jovanotti Resent-Message-ID: <"X7ExgB.A.jHB.cI1a0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1189 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:28:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 23f665af564b03b8f70f307c16a7c98c At 3:31 PM +0100 11/13/97, nicomonguzzi wrote: >ciao a tutti. >1> anyone can explain the technique of STUTTERING... That's where you have some longer sample, and trigger it several times quickly before letting it play through. So you repeat the beginning several times. Often you make some sort of rhythm out of it. You hear it a lot in hip-hop, either done with a sampler or on a turntable. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 17:29:08 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 11:28:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW4w6-0002W5-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:28:18 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bcf01f$e268c260$LocalHost@amudarya> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:52:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: BeatSync (was vortex info) Resent-Message-ID: <"kn0phC.A.WIB.hI1a0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1190 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:28:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 90c5b42c51de73af96856c9ae49d5285 At 10:35 AM +0000 11/13/97, Anthony Bowyer-Lowe wrote: Excellent info, thanks! some questions: >>The question is about the type of clock generated by old analog >>arpeggiators and sequencers, from before midi. Does it send a pulse each >>beat? A pulse at each bar? At the beginning of the sequence? Or does it >>send many pulses for each beat, the way midi clock works? >Well, sync24 is the most common vintage method of synchronising analogue >equipment, as found on old drum machines (Roland TR808, TR606) and >synths/sequencers (eg Roland MC-202). > >As it's name suggests, it consists of 24 voltage pulses (normally +5v, for >around 5ms) per quarter note. Yup, just like midi clock... ok, I thought as much. For the Echoplex BeatSync jack this would not be appropriate. Sounds like it would be pretty easy to convert sync24 to midi clock, though, since the frequency of the pulses is the same. There must be some box out there that does this? >Most analogue sequencers and arpeggiators just have a trigger in/out which >advance the sequence by one step. Usually just a positive going pulse (+5v), >although some equipment used a negative going pulse (-5v), or a short to >ground (S-Trig). This might be an interesting possibility, but I'm not sure I understand. So this pulse would come out each time the sequence restarts? Or is it each 1/8th note (or whatever is the step size of the sequencer)? Either way, that one could work for the Echoplex BeatSync, although I don't know what other device would use it. >>It would be fun to figure out how to sync the old analog stuff up to modern >>loopers. > >I figure it'd be a great project (for people like us) to build a little >sync utility box. It'd have a bunch of converters to convert between the >varying types of pulse, and a clock divider which output a trigger every >x input pulses... With so many people using the old synths in modern setups, I'd almost think this had already been done! Maybe not with so much versatility. I think something that can covert the Sync24 to midi clock would be fine for any midi sync-able loop device. thanks, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 17:29:12 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 12:40:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW63q-0001wn-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:40:22 -0800 From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 14:21:00 EST Encoding: 19 Text Message-Id: <9710138794.AA879463259@mail.amsinc.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:Lo-Fi StutterinG Resent-Message-ID: <"sz4EHD.A.Y4.4N2a0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1192 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:40:22 -0800 X-UIDL: 246626c9157619a39a3ab19e5984548d >ciao a tutti. >1> anyone can explain the technique of STUTTERING... Is 'stuttering' the 'd-d-d-d-d-d-d' sound on aggressive drum & bass tracks you mean (ala Squarepusher, Alec Empire, Plug, etc..)? I've also heard that referred to as "machine-gunning". I don't know how other people do it but I've approximated the effect with a Boss RV-3 Digital Reverb/Delay pedal by setting the regen on the highest setting, the delay time on the lowest/fastest setting and manually triggering it when an appropriate drum beat hits. Also when you twist the delay time knob it automatically makes the delay signal either cut off (typically the desired effect) or go haywire. The complete opposite of what the fabled Echo +/P(R)DS8000 does. I like to use the RV-3 before the PDS8000 so I can speed up or slow down the hits even more. Now what about "timestretching"? ed chang From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 11:15:54 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 10:30:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW42O-0004Qg-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:30:44 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bcf01f$e268c260$LocalHost@amudarya> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:23:45 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: BeatSync (was vortex info) Resent-Message-ID: <"JmX2kD.A.vID.TU0a0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1188 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:30:44 -0800 X-UIDL: b5c0c3a925f632054ad2de6c210d362d Anthony helps competentely about "old clocks": >Well, sync24 is the most common vintage method of synchronising analogue >equipment, as found on old drum machines (Roland TR808, TR606) and >synths/sequencers (eg Roland MC-202). > >As it's name suggests, it consists of 24 voltage pulses (normally +5v, for >around 5ms) per quarter note. Yup, just like midi clock... This makes me think that I could connect the 8th/beat counter to BeatSync, too. So this parameter would not only define the number of clocks / 8th note for MIDISync but also the number of pulses / loop (actually: cycle) for BeatSync. But then again, someone might use MIDI and BeatSync simultaneously, one in and the other out... >Most analogue sequencers and arpeggiators just have a trigger in/out which >advance the sequence by one step. Usually just a positive going pulse (+5v), >although some equipment used a negative going pulse (-5v), or a short to >ground (S-Trig). We did the last version, I call it OpenCollector (OC). The BeatSync line is softly (10kOhm) pulled up to +5V and can be shorted to ground either from outside (as input) or from inside (as output). The big advantage of this system is that many machines can stay connected and send or receive pulses simultaneously (as long as you keep track of what happens :-) >I figure it'd be a great project (for people like us) to build a little >sync utility box. It'd have a bunch of converters to convert between the >varying types of pulse, and a clock divider which output a trigger every >x input pulses... This might be smarter than changing the Plex, since I do not have enough parameters to cover up all options and also, there might only be a hand full of those crazy analog sound creators,,, wrong? Anyway, I love to learn about those things, thank you. Matthias From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 17:29:13 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 12:40:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW644-0001yT-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:40:36 -0800 Message-ID: <19971113202810.8479.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.99] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: going price for a eh 16 or a buchla thunder? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:28:10 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"PX6ksD.A.eu.eM2a0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1191 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:40:36 -0800 X-UIDL: b84da8c6ded500b0870c313d8c057369 Hi- What do you all think is the going rate for a used EH 16 or a Buchla Thunder? Much thanks, Buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 10:19:39 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 10:01:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW3aL-0001Bi-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:01:45 -0800 Message-ID: Date: 13 Nov 1997 12:41:17 -0800 From: "Hartnett, Travis" Subject: FS: Kahler Human Clock $150 To: "Loopers Delight postings" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Name="Message Body" Resent-Message-ID: <"Fz6-XB.A.QSH.U4za0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1186 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:01:45 -0800 X-UIDL: d56bba89a96c7c67ff96c02cfe445168 With all the recent talk of syncing old gear up, this might be of interest to someone: (from Harmony Central) Kahler Human Clock/Midiman Sync Box $150 Asking Price: US$150 Condition: Mint Age: 6 years Description: Sync your midi sequencer to live tracks or generate FSK for perfect sync from your computer or stand alone sequencer. The Human Clock even allows your sequencer to follow a live drummer. 2 excellent pieces of gear now discontinued but still very cool! midisync@mindspring.com Seller: Bill Campbell, E-mail: midisync@mindspring.com Location: ATLANTA, GA Post Date: 11/13/97 From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 17:29:24 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 14:16:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW7YR-0004bE-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:16:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199711132151.NAA27924@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: GEAR Question: Roland GR-700 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:59:26 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gHIj4.A.cfD.Ep3a0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1195 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:16:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 9b539536a48e189f42d9f631b973d82a > From: Markus Reuter > i just spotted a Roland GR-700 guitar synth (including the > guitar) in a turkish second hand store over here in germany. > > is it worth getting it? > what's a reasonable price for a used GR-700 nowadays? I've never played one, but the earlier GR-300 is supposed to track better. The GR-700 uses MIDI to trigger the sounds (hence the delay) and I seem to remember that it didn't transmit pitch bend information (don't quote me on that). I remember that Andy Summers and Robert Fripp preferred the GR-300 because it "felt" better to play and had a more "organic" sound (it's basically an analog synth). Matt From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 17:29:33 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 14:48:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW83g-00003E-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:48:20 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199711132239.OAA09401@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: GEAR Question: Roland GR-700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:39:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199711132151.NAA27924@gw1.bi-tech.com> from "Matt McCabe" at Nov 13, 97 01:59:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pPqRO.A.TlG.wG4a0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1196 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:48:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 7ccedbddbdc2831ab1812ef68008cc70 > > From: Markus Reuter > > > i just spotted a Roland GR-700 guitar synth (including the > > guitar) in a turkish second hand store over here in germany. > > > > is it worth getting it? > > what's a reasonable price for a used GR-700 nowadays? > > I've never played one, but the earlier GR-300 is supposed to track better. > The GR-700 uses MIDI to trigger the sounds (hence the delay) and I seem to > remember that it didn't transmit pitch bend information (don't quote me on > that). No, the GR700 does not use MIDI to trigger its internal sounds. Like the GR300, it is an analog synth. Here's some useful information posted by Thomas Sullivan to Digital Guitar Digest #30: Well, the GR700 also has an internal synth, so it tracks pretty closely to the GR300. If you use the MIDI out on the GR700, that is slow. The GR300 drives analog circuitry for making the synth tones too, so you don't have the microprocessor control you have the in the GR700 making decisions, so it tracks a little faster because it doesn't have to wait for more complex control info like the GR700 does. > I remember that Andy Summers and Robert Fripp preferred the GR-300 because > it "felt" better to play and had a more "organic" sound (it's basically an > analog synth). I'm sure the fact that the GR300 allows the hex fuzz circuit in the GR303 guitar to be mixed with the synth sound has something to do with it too. :) In summary: The GR300 lets you mix the fuzz sound with the synth sound if you are using a Roland GR303 guitar while the GR700 (a later model) does not. The GR700 is programmable (with 64 presets) while the GR300 is not. The GR300 has no MIDI ports. The GR700 has one MIDI out port and only transmits MIDI note and velocity, not pitchbend (arrgghh!). Both are analog synths. Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 17:29:33 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 14:55:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW8Ax-0000rj-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:55:51 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971113164626.006aa24c@texas.net> X-Sender: ranjones@texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:46:29 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" From: Randy Jones Subject: Re: GEAR Question: Roland GR-700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Da4VxC.A.eI.xP4a0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1197 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:55:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 455bacb9156a349aabbba2a5d4946791 Hello I'd say depends on price. I have the 300 and the 700 with Strat and Les Paul controller copies. I like to tweak around on them both. The 700 has the midi out which I run into a synth for pad/wash type things. It doesn't seem to track all that great and does miss out on pitch bends. Ck out Pablo's Digest for more info. BTW, I love the Strat controller, the Paul weighs about 200 lbs, but has more knobs than I've ever seen on a guitar. Also, to effectively modify the 700, I think you need a programmer like the PGM 200, a separate module. Randy Jones At 10:39 PM 11/13/97 -0500, Markus Reuter wrote: >-- [ From: Markus Reuter * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- > >hi fellow loopers! > >i just spotted a Roland GR-700 guitar synth (including the >guitar) in a turkish second hand store over here in germany. > >is it worth getting it? >what's a reasonable price for a used GR-700 nowadays? > >thanks for your help! >cheers! > >markus >-- >-> Markus Reuter, Dammwiese 7, 33613 Bielefeld, Germany <- >-> email mreuter@post.uni-bielefeld.de <-> phone (521) 896248 <- >-> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/markus.htm <- > > > From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 17:29:38 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 15:17:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW8Vu-0003Fm-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:17:30 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199711132307.PAA09583@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: GEAR Question: Roland GR-700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:07:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19971113164626.006aa24c@texas.net> from "Randy Jones" at Nov 13, 97 04:46:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lBOTnC.A.LFC.uh4a0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1198 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:17:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 93cd9e72dd47b2d9db1dc9f711f24c40 > I'd say depends on price. I have the 300 and the 700 with Strat and Les > Paul controller copies. I like to tweak around on them both. The 700 has > the midi out which I run into a synth for pad/wash type things. It doesn't > seem to track all that great and does miss out on pitch bends. Ck out > Pablo's Digest for more info. BTW, I love the Strat controller, the Paul > weighs about 200 lbs, but has more knobs than I've ever seen on a guitar. > Also, to effectively modify the 700, I think you need a programmer like the > PGM 200, a separate module. > > Randy Jones Thanks, Randy! ^_^ I just wanted to add I got along just fine using the knobs on the guitar controller and the GR700 footpedals to program the GR700. Certainly not as convenient as having the PGM200 at hand, but it's doable. Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 17:29:39 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 15:21:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW8Zu-0003ig-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:21:38 -0800 Message-Id: <199711132306.PAA29643@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: GEAR Question: Roland GR-700 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:14:53 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WmETk.A.KnC.Um4a0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1199 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:21:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 3e62655399fbdcdb55b8c04b54042d7f > From: Paolo Valladolid > No, the GR700 does not use MIDI to trigger its internal sounds. Like > the GR300, it is an analog synth. Here's some useful information > posted by Thomas Sullivan to Digital Guitar Digest #30: Ohh....well...uh....at least I got some of it correct! :-\ Matt From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 17:29:41 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 15:47:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW8zC-0006SB-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:47:46 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199711132339.PAA09852@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Korg Z1 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:39:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "Kim Flint" at Nov 13, 97 10:52:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ARjrIB.A.QQF.6-4a0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1200 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:47:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 124dd90d00b516365f72b0167ac5eb9b The recent discussion about arpeggiators made me think it might not be a bad idea to post a little review of the Z1 that I wrote up. I tinker on Chapman Stick more than any other instrument but I've always enjoyed keeping up with the latest synth developments because of the synthesizer's potential to do things that would be physically impossible on acoustic instruments. Here's the review: After reading about the new Korg Z1 physical modeling synth, I got to check it out a bit at a music store. I must preface this by saying I'm no synth expert by any means and my comments only apply to the presets that come with the synth. I'm mainly interested in a keyboard that can be used for looping with something like an Oberheim Echoplex or Lexicon Jam Man in live performance. Here are various comments: Sound - I wasn't blown away by any particular sound; at least not like the first time I heard a demo of the Yamaha VL1 (another physical modeling synth). Many of the presets were pad-like sounds that to me had potential as sound sources for making loops/soundscapes a la David Torn or Robert Fripp. They generally had a lot of interesting sonic movement instead of what you'd get from merely playing back a sample of an analog synth pad. I liked the electric piano preset(s); it responded more like a real Fender Rhodes than your typical sample-playback synth. In general, the presents seemed to be more oriented towards electronic sounds rather than acoustic instrument emulations. Playability - I don't consider myself a keyboard player, but the keys felt ok. I was more impressed with the X-Y pad. I could not determine if it was sensitive to velocity or pressure. Most of the presets that used the X-Y pad had the pad apparently controlling filters. Having lots of knobs was very nice. One preset was a horn-section type sound which allowed me to use the X-Y pad to radically alter the tone and pitch of the sound in weird ways. It was kind of like scratching a record, except you could "scratch" in two dimensions instead of just back-and-forth; if that makes any sense. I have a feeling the possibilities of the X-Y pad, the controlling knobs, and the arpeggiator (below) were not fully exploited in the presets. Arpeggiator - I am somewhat ignorant of the arpeggiators of various keyboards, but the one on the Z1 was fun to play with. As I understand it, this one is polyphonic, which offers some interesting possibilities. Again, most of my fooling with the arpeggiator was restricted to what was programmed into a particular preset. Some presets let me change the behavior of the arpeggiator in interesting, yet musical ways. Messing with the arpeggiator using the pitch-bend and mod wheels and the speed knob was naturally amusing. According to Korg's website (http://www.korg.com) the arpeggiator transmits over MIDI and can sync to an external MIDI source. Price - I was surprised to see the Z1 selling in Musician's Friend and Guitar Center for around $2000. Considering the Yamaha VL1, a 2-voice polyphonic physical modeling synth, once sold for $6000 retail, $2000 for this 12-voice polyphonic physical modeling synth seems like a bargain. One caveat though - some of the presets took a second or longer to load when switching between presets. Overall, I found the Korg Z1 to be an intriguing instrument for anyone who wants to have an original sound yet doesn't want to drag a computer around for live gigs. I kind of wish it had a breath controller input, but that X-Y pad makes up for it. Just my take, Paolo From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 17:29:20 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 13:49:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW78U-0001f4-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:49:14 -0800 Message-Id: <199711132141.AA286327311@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: GEAR Question: Roland GR-700 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 22:39:25 -0500 From: Markus Reuter X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Resent-Message-ID: <"VuZXiC.A.6f.GO3a0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1194 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:49:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 1aa216497bcc2d33cd095e7f1be28a82 -- [ From: Markus Reuter * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- hi fellow loopers! i just spotted a Roland GR-700 guitar synth (including the guitar) in a turkish second hand store over here in germany. is it worth getting it? what's a reasonable price for a used GR-700 nowadays? thanks for your help! cheers! markus -- -> Markus Reuter, Dammwiese 7, 33613 Bielefeld, Germany <- -> email mreuter@post.uni-bielefeld.de <-> phone (521) 896248 <- -> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/markus.htm <- From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 20:44:10 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 20:10:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWD5m-0005hq-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:10:50 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:53:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: bay area loopers... Resent-Message-ID: <"Lq2VEC.A.A1E.138a0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1201 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:10:50 -0800 X-UIDL: f21aacf1675878088abf555b8c9c7bf5 Hi- If you're in the SF bay area, I'm having a party Saturday, Nov. 22. Maybe we could even have a mini loop show if anyone wants to. You can only loop music from your favorite holiday, though. ;-) Send me private mail if you think you'd like to go, and I'll send details. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 10:37:28 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 03:20:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWJnx-0007ed-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 03:20:53 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 06:11:47 -0500 (EST) From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <971114061146_1104530399@mrin45.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: going price for a eh 16 or a buchla thunder? Resent-Message-ID: <"q1jpgB.A.waG.1IDb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1202 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 03:20:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 181e5c8828a6b9c4033d6355a9fec1a1 what is a bulcha thunder? PJ From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 10:37:32 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 06:34:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWMpR-0001QX-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 06:34:37 -0800 Message-ID: <346C5E41.432F@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:20:49 -0500 From: jeff & mary duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: going price for a eh 16 or a buchla thunder? References: <971114061146_1104530399@mrin45.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"u1w3sD.A.Kr.a-Fb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1203 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 06:34:37 -0800 X-UIDL: f75da76719b884c13964297aa7a8ce29 PJBMHB@aol.com wrote: > > what is a bulcha thunder? PJ That is a good question! Jeff From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 10:37:33 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 07:58:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWO89-0000pK-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:58:01 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:45:50 -0500 (EST) From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <971114104548_206109604@mrin79> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: going price for a eh 16 or a buchla thunder? Resent-Message-ID: <"cQueJD.A.REH.4JHb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1204 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:58:01 -0800 X-UIDL: fa59ac9640392458127f1e7fdfd26f23 >What do you all think is the going rate for a used EH 16 > or a Buchla Thunder? I haven't seen a Thunder in years and years but I sold my pair of EH 16s a little over a year ago for $850 each and the buyers seemed very happy to have them. Ted From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 10:37:33 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 08:12:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWOLc-0002En-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:11:56 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:01:53 +0000 Message-ID: <000A1565.001424@mail.bl.uk> From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) Subject: Jon Hassell and other looping in London To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"ovwZWD.A.jAB.fWHb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1205 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:11:56 -0800 X-UIDL: dc9aa50bdcc99a0ed6a92711146504ac There seems to be some interest in Jon Hassell amongst the list, so I thought I'd mention last night's concert at QEH in London. JH appeared with Bluescreen Two who were advertised as being Jamie Muhoberac and Peter Freeman, creators of an `electronic soundscape' amidst which is set JH's `plaintive trumpet'. There was also an uncredited guitarist (who may have been called Joe Harrison - the announcements were off-mic and difficult to hear from 2/3rds back) who made extensive use of a Fernandes Sustainer (now I *really* want one of those) and a multitude of delays and effects to great..erm - effect. Whilst much of the music relied on repetitive phrases (with occasional shifts in the patterns), it was intriguing to see that most of it was performed in real time. Despite all the technology in evidence, there appeared to be little `looping' as such. Percussion sounds were triggered from what looked like an over-sized boomerang (NB the Native Australian hunting tool, not the dedicated looping device), `played' like a standard keyboard, but with (presumably) the ergonomic benefits of it curving around the body. The material was similar in mood to the earlier 4th World albums, less like the `City' and `Bluescreen 1' versions. Well worth viewing if it comes to a town near you. Also: At lunch time yesterday I saw the acoustic guitarist Antonio Forcione dueting with saxophonist Ed Jones. I think Matthias mentioned before that AF has experimented with looping, but this is the first time I've seen him use it (sparingly) in performance. He has a Paradis LoopDelay which in this situation was used to create backing for his solos on two numbers. Again, well worth a listen if you see them advertised near you (particularly if you like Jan Garbarek-style European, folk influenced jazz) Oh yes, and if you've got this far, I'll be back at the Croydon Clocktower on Nov 28th 7-8pm - free! Cheers David From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 10:37:39 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 09:43:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWPmM-0002uz-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:43:38 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:31:08 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Project Lo: Saturday night in Baltimore Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"t1qCBD.A.mtB.0sIb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1206 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:43:38 -0800 X-UIDL: ab2911d74d157905c1cee5c2945ece7e Bon Lozaga's Project Lo including electronic violinist Caryn Lin and vocalist Happy Rhodes hit Orion Studios in Baltimore tomorrow night at 7:30PM with special guest (for one show only) guitarist Tony Geballe who recently toured as a member of the Trey Gunn Band and has previously worked with Robert Fripp and the League of Crafty Guitarists and Toyah, among others. See http://www.ari.net/prog/shows/showcase/ for directions and other details. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:37:56 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 11:37:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWRYA-0005cu-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:37:06 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:31:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: FS: Kahler Human Clock $150 Resent-Message-ID: <"ihKKpC.A.ONE.lWKb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1208 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:37:06 -0800 X-UIDL: 91501fcf5c5e92e7c1afdc519364fa46 >With all the recent talk of syncing old gear up, this might be of >interest to someone: >(from Harmony Central) > >Kahler Human Clock/Midiman Sync Box $150 > >Asking Price: US$150 >Condition: Mint >Age: 6 years >Description: > > Sync your midi sequencer to live tracks or generate FSK for >perfect sync from your computer or stand alone > sequencer. The Human Clock even allows your sequencer to follow >a live drummer. 2 excellent pieces of gear now > discontinued but still very cool! > midisync@mindspring.com > >Seller: Bill Campbell, >E-mail: midisync@mindspring.com >Location: ATLANTA, GA >Post Date: 11/13/97 I'm playing in a Brazilian/Tango/Salsa trio. The keyboardist has a Kahler clock, and we've been trying to use it to sync sequenced percussion parts to the drummer's kick. And, well, it doesn't work that great. The kahler seems to track any increase in tempo pretty well, but doesn't follow when the drummer slows down. So basically, every time we use it, the tempo just keeps increasing. Not exactly the intended effect. I've talked to other kahler users and they've noted the same effect. Perhaps this is why the kahler failed. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:38:02 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 13:30:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWTIp-0000pU-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:29:23 -0800 Message-ID: <346C9EF4.CB1@intcpi.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:56:53 -0500 From: jprice@intcpi.com (John Price) Reply-To: jprice@intcpi.com Organization: INTELLISOFT, CPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The Orb... References: <2.2.32.19971108064458.0096b868@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7RB_kD.A.F0G.g6Lb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1211 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:29:23 -0800 X-UIDL: b413c16da3b35fac896bcba19b07e59d FastKim Flint wrote: > > Didn't Fripp do something with FSOL too? Like on Lifeforms? I can't recall > actually noticing what he contributed, but I thought I remembered seeing his > name on the cd book. Some soundscapes or something? > > kim > > At 01:24 AM 11/8/97 -0500, mark sottilaro wrote: > >Hey Orb and possible Orb fans, > > > >There is an album that Robert Fripp did with the Orb called >>FFWD (Fast > >forward). Anyway, it's out of print in America but I think you can get > >it as an import. It is a monumentally beautiful album! Why it's out of > >print, I have no idea, but it occasionally turns up in a used bin here > >and there (that's how I found my copy) We should all yell at the person > >that is refusing to print it (for what ever stupid legal reasons) Give > >the rights to Fripp and let him print it on the Discpline lable. Check > >it out if you can find it. > > > >Mark. > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com I could have sworn that "Fast Forward" was Fripp, Dr. Patterson and a guy from Modeski Martin & Wood. Anyways its a great album. From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:37:54 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 11:23:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWRKc-0004Fw-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:23:06 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <346C5E41.432F@bellsouth.net> References: <971114061146_1104530399@mrin45.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:08:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: going price for a eh 16 or a buchla thunder? Resent-Message-ID: <"yHsuj.A.g5C.dIKb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1207 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:23:06 -0800 X-UIDL: a91872d38e8572fae19842b588e671b9 At 9:20 AM -0500 11/14/97, jeff & mary duke wrote: >PJBMHB@aol.com wrote: >> >> what is a bulcha thunder? PJ > > >That is a good question! Jeff The thunder is one of the more modern inventions of legendary synthesizer pioneer Don Buchla. Thunder can best be described as a touch sensitive control surface. It has a large assortment of pads and ribbon controllers that respond to the location where you touch them and the amount of pressure you apply. These can then be used to control any type of midi data you program it for. These are all arranged in an ergonomic fashion on what a friend used to describe as a "dinner serving tray." That's not quite accurate, but it gets you the idea. (I think it's shaped more like the millenium falcon.) Don of course, is a brilliant and enigmatic individual. Great to have at parties, but not so fun to work for. His musical instrument creations are typically decades ahead of their time. He has a web site that only describes his Lightning II, which is a synthesizer controller that uses two wands that you can move in space for 3d control. http://www.buchla.com kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:37:57 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 11:57:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWRsB-00000k-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:57:47 -0800 Message-ID: <19971114194527.26720.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.99] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: buchla thunder says what? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:45:27 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"YZVri.A.sQG.sqKb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1209 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:57:47 -0800 X-UIDL: b9ffb59035d19b98210d729da440636e Well said Kim. I had first heard/seen one at a Mark Isham gig where he had one to his side to play some textural sounds and samples. Later I asked what the hell that contraption was..... You can see a picture of one at: http://www.synthfool.com/thunder.gif Salam, Buck >>> >>> what is a bulcha thunder? PJ >> >> >That is a good question! Jeff > >The thunder is one of the more modern inventions of legendary synthesizer >pioneer Don Buchla. > >Thunder can best be described as a touch sensitive control surface. It has >a large assortment of pads and ribbon controllers that respond to the >location where you touch them and the amount of pressure you apply. These >can then be used to control any type of midi data you program it for. These >are all arranged in an ergonomic fashion on what a friend used to describe >as a "dinner serving tray." That's not quite accurate, but it gets you the >idea. (I think it's shaped more like the millenium falcon.) > >Don of course, is a brilliant and enigmatic individual. Great to have at >parties, but not so fun to work for. His musical instrument creations are >typically decades ahead of their time. He has a web site that only >describes his Lightning II, which is a synthesizer controller that uses two >wands that you can move in space for 3d control. http://www.buchla.com > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:38:01 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 13:06:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWSwQ-0006my-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:06:14 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:31:33 -0500 (EST) From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <971114153130_1104605490@mrin86.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: what in tarnation is a buchla thunder? Resent-Message-ID: <"3H-XU.A.1QF.rnLb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1210 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:06:14 -0800 X-UIDL: b23027478f067a20dbb1c935e5990078 what is a BUCHLA THUNDER???!!! Someone answer me!!! I feel I must know. =-) PJ From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:38:12 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 16:27:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWW5H-00030f-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:27:35 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:52:27 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: darcyc@srvr5.engin.umich.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Darcy Clark Subject: Vortex for sale Resent-Message-ID: <"Bp9jJ.A.n5B.cpOb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1216 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:27:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 98634278f19050a8e7eaaa26bf78eb32 Found this on dejanews - I just bought the Jamman, but the Vortex is still for sale I think: Subject: Lexicon Vortex And Lexicon Jamman From: soundjones@aol.com (SOUNDJONES) Date: 1997/11/14 Message-ID: <19971114181401.NAA02988@ladder01.news.aol.com> Newsgroups: rec.audio.marketplace [More Headers] Both unit in excellent condition. Vortex Morphing Modulation effects -200.00 Jamman phraze sampler/delay- 200.00 Contact Troy at SOUNDJONES@AOL.COM Darcy Clark +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Materials Science and Engineering Department University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2136 USA +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Room 2130, Dow Building Phone (313) 764 3377 Fax (313) 763 4788 E-mail darcyc@engin.umich.edu http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/mse250 http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/people/darcyc/ http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:38:25 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 22:30:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWbjx-0000F3-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:29:57 -0800 Message-ID: <346CD3CD.7DB@infobiogen.fr> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:42:44 +0000 From: malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: Pasteur Lille X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sync References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KkfsbB.A.HzG.W8Tb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1221 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:29:57 -0800 X-UIDL: baa2f660e187dfaa221120317a9dbdef If it can be of any use... I sync my old SH-101 (roland mono synth) with an old TR606, this way: Thru my sequencer, I send codes to the TR that make it play bass drum and snare at the same (better with all the sounds), with volume cranked up. Then the "sound" in sent via jeck to the external clock input of the SH-101. Of course it is not enough to rech the 5V (on the roland, I think the clock is 12V, but I'm not sure), bu it is enough to make it play synched to the sequencer, which is enough to do the job. Since we can get sync with midi, then de facto an old analog thingie can be synched with a looper... Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:38:06 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 15:31:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWVCa-0004R5-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:31:04 -0800 Message-ID: <346CD65E.2E0E@dmans.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:53:18 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: GEAR Question: Roland GR-700 References: <199711132141.AA286327311@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MlzubB.A.UtC.fwNb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1212 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:31:04 -0800 X-UIDL: d41c0498bce9b51323f1b33d639850d1 Markus Reuter wrote: > i just spotted a Roland GR-700 guitar synth (including the > guitar) in a turkish second hand store over here in germany. > > is it worth getting it? > what's a reasonable price for a used GR-700 nowadays? > > thanks for your help! I would say buy it only if you are a collector. The new GR30 does so much more, sounds much better, tracks MUCH better, and can be had new for less than $1000 with the GK2A pickup. I think it includes a sequencer, too. Motley From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:38:06 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 15:31:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWVDC-0004W3-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:31:42 -0800 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F4109ED@MAIL> From: David Kirkdorffer To: 'Matt McCabe' , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: GEAR Question: Roland GR-700 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:05:22 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"AX3fr.A.eDD.WzNb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1213 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:31:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 9e3cad9d90942ac64fb0fd97f04e9825 I've seen the GR700 module in Boston for $350. Any of the Roland guitars will work with it (EXCEPT the GR500 from way back when...). I've seen the GR guitars for sale in the $300 range. As regular guitars, they're pretty good too. A bit heavy... David Kirkdorffer -----Original Message----- From: Matt McCabe [SMTP:mattm@bi-tech.com] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 1997 4:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: GEAR Question: Roland GR-700 > From: Markus Reuter > i just spotted a Roland GR-700 guitar synth (including the > guitar) in a turkish second hand store over here in germany. > > is it worth getting it? > what's a reasonable price for a used GR-700 nowadays? I've never played one, but the earlier GR-300 is supposed to track better. The GR-700 uses MIDI to trigger the sounds (hence the delay) and I seem to remember that it didn't transmit pitch bend information (don't quote me on that). I remember that Andy Summers and Robert Fripp preferred the GR-300 because it "felt" better to play and had a more "organic" sound (it's basically an analog synth). Matt From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:38:11 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 16:25:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWW3N-0002nT-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:25:37 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971115001454.00a25ec8@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:14:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: GEAR Question: Roland GR-700 Resent-Message-ID: <"dlQYmD.A.ZhB.FmOb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1215 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:25:37 -0800 X-UIDL: 8b6ff07dd56c18d1a3509b8f94e5033a At 04:53 PM 11/14/97 -0600, Mikell D. Nelson wrote: >Markus Reuter wrote: >> i just spotted a Roland GR-700 guitar synth (including the >> guitar) in a turkish second hand store over here in germany. >> >> is it worth getting it? >> what's a reasonable price for a used GR-700 nowadays? >> >> thanks for your help! > > I would say buy it only if you are a collector. The new GR30 does so >much more, sounds much better, tracks MUCH better, and can be had new >for less than $1000 with the GK2A pickup. I think it includes a >sequencer, too. GR30's internal synth is sample playback, right? Since the GR-700 is analog, it will likely sound totally different. Whether it's better or not depends on what you want to do. I usually find sample playback synths to be completely unsatisfying, especially from a guitar controller. I tend to prefer the more "interesting" sounds to be found in other types, like analog. You can get a more unique sound, and the timbral nuances are typically more controllable. That's my taste, though.... If you want the guitar to sound similar to a grand piano or a crash cymbal or a tuba or whatever, than sample playback is the thing. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:38:19 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 17:09:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWWjt-000076-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:09:33 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199711150059.QAA17723@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: GEAR Question: Roland GR-700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:59:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971115001454.00a25ec8@pop.chromatic.com> from "Kim Flint" at Nov 14, 97 04:14:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-2dYm.A.4YG.HQPb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1217 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:09:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 7076aa3d5cb1c7099acc46ff828dea3c [Mikel's response to Markus's "Is a GR700 worth it?"] > > I would say buy it only if you are a collector. The new GR30 does so > >much more, sounds much better, tracks MUCH better, and can be had new > >for less than $1000 with the GK2A pickup. I think it includes a > >sequencer, too. > > > GR30's internal synth is sample playback, right? Since the GR-700 is analog, > it will likely sound totally different. Whether it's better or not depends > on what you want to do. I usually find sample playback synths to be > completely unsatisfying, especially from a guitar controller. I tend to > prefer the more "interesting" sounds to be found in other types, like > analog. You can get a more unique sound, and the timbral nuances are > typically more controllable. That's my taste, though.... If you want the > guitar to sound similar to a grand piano or a crash cymbal or a tuba or > whatever, than sample playback is the thing. > > kim More input from a GR700 owner: I'd have to agree that a true analog synth such as the GR700 has not only a different sound than a sample playback synth but also a different characteristic behavior. That is why there are some folks out there searching for GR700s and GR300s even with the availability of more "advanced" guitar synths such as the GR30. Gayle Ellett of the prog rock group Djam Karet turned me on to the idea of using the GR700's glitches to creative advantage. In particular, the GR700 doesn't handle harmonics very well (hence the manual's admonition: "Please do not play the GR700 in the harmonics manner" under the section _Problems Caused by Your Improper Playing Manner_). In fact, a strongly played harmonic drives it nuts. For example, a hard strum of the natural harmonics located above the fifth fret causes the GR700 to spit out a random stream of high pitched notes. By working to cause the GR700 to glitch _on purpose_ you can get some intriguing sounds not available from keyboard-operated synths or the more refined descendants of the GR700. Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:38:21 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 17:22:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWWw1-0001VA-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:22:05 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:13:19 -0500 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199711150113.AA20221@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: GEAR Question: Roland GR-700 Resent-Message-ID: <"aFiQnB.A.2h.FdPb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1218 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:22:05 -0800 X-UIDL: 0f3b4f63c7d9c4affaf838dd473f794b >>[GR30] sounds much better, tracks MUCH better, and can be had new >GR30's internal synth is sample playback, right? >Since the GR-700 is analog, it will likely sound >totally different. Whether it's better or not depends >on what you want to do. I usually find sample playback synths to be >completely unsatisfying, especially from a guitar controller. [caveat: one person's opinion] I bought a GR30 recently, and compared to my experience with a friend's GR-700 years and years ago, I'm disappointed. (Only relatively, though; I'm content with it nonetheless.) I very much dislike the effect of multisample playback on the guitar. Notes which are pitch bent very far lose all their tone (since they don't switch to the "right" sample, and it might even be that the internal filter doesn't follow it right), which pretty much trashes my guitar style with lots of slides of a fifth or an octave (or in between). I would love to be able to slide-without-retriggering a good violin sound, but I'd rather be able to do a poor analog psuedo-violin sound then a violin sample which loses all high end when slid a fourth. And I can't even get a good classic Fripp sound since there's aliasing in a lot of sounds if you transpose up an octave and play on the high frets. I can understand where switching samples is probably hard if not impossible, and why most synthesizers wouldn't bother doing it (pitch bending is a wacky not directly musical effect!), but when used from an electric guitar controller (or perhaps a violin controller), pitch bend is directly musical, and it would have been nice for them to actually tackle the problem of making the output musical, instead of providing 4 different ways to accomplish pitch bends that don't sound very good. I'm going to supplement my GR30 with MIDI synths, and I wonder how long it will be before I simply don't use the GR30's sounds anymore. The classical guitar patch is pretty and perhaps useable; one of the acoustic guitars has an annoying wrong tonality in one region, and the cello (or one of the strings like that) has one sample whose attack is a very noticeably different note than the loop. The drum samples might as well not be there (no cymbals since they didn't want to waste the sample memory on it). So, of the samples I've explored seriously, I've only found about half to be useable. This would argue for getting a GI10 or whatever it's called and simply skipping the GR30's internal sounds, its goofy arpeggiator, etc. in the first place. This discussion is of course probably more appropriate to the Digital Guitar mailing list. Sean Barrett From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:38:23 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 17:42:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWXFG-0003ez-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:41:58 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199711150132.RAA17984@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Silver Apples To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:32:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F4109ED@MAIL> from "David Kirkdorffer" at Nov 14, 97 06:05:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EzimM.A.xeC.8uPb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1220 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:41:58 -0800 X-UIDL: d149f9770aec14368f27f9e72ca5500f Silver Apples was a duo of Simeon on The Simeon and Dan Taylor on percussion with both doing vocals. A CD compiling their first two albums (from the late 60s) was just released on MCA. The Simeon was the name given to Simeon's "instrument". From the liner notes, here is a list of The Simeon's components: 6 bass oscillators triggered by six wooden pedals 3 rhythm oscillators controlled by three hand switches 2 Maestro tone controls - one connected to the rhythm oscillators, the other to the lead oscillator. 1 lead oscillator connected to a tone control 1 Echoplex (the old analog one of course) 1 Wah-wah pedal between the lead tone control and the Echoplex 1 Radio 1 Mic 3 Amplifiers Simeon basically played the bass oscillators with his feet while playing the other parts with his hands. All while singing lead vocals too. To most of us weaned on mainstream pop/rock music, this music may seem a little bizarre. Yet it has its own quirky appeal. This amazing CD has to be heard to be believed. I find it a miracle a big company like MCA was willing to release groundbreaking music like this. Cheers, Paolo From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:38:22 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 17:37:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWXB8-0003BR-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:37:42 -0800 Message-ID: <346CFC01.6291@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:33:53 -0500 From: djdowling@earthlink.net Reply-To: djdowling@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:Trigger imput References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"D4VPqD.A.OBC.oqPb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1219 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:37:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 94e1d29dfdb63bbb664b851b9e725c64 I have this on my old digitech delay. It's for a drum machine trigger. From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:38:26 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 22:35:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWboh-0000cN-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:34:51 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:42:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Silver Apples Resent-Message-ID: <"zEB44C.A.nPH.nBUb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1222 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:34:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 1a82e35b599b97090ebf6a23b1bcf0e2 >Silver Apples was a duo of Simeon on The Simeon and Dan Taylor on percussion >with both doing vocals. A CD compiling their first two albums (from the late >60s) was just released on MCA. > >The Simeon was the name given to Simeon's "instrument". From the liner >notes, here is a list of The Simeon's components: > >6 bass oscillators triggered by six wooden pedals >3 rhythm oscillators controlled by three hand switches >2 Maestro tone controls - one connected to the rhythm oscillators, the other >to the lead oscillator. >1 lead oscillator connected to a tone control >1 Echoplex (the old analog one of course) >1 Wah-wah pedal between the lead tone control and the Echoplex >1 Radio >1 Mic >3 Amplifiers > >Simeon basically played the bass oscillators with his feet while playing >the other parts with his hands. All while singing lead vocals too. > >To most of us weaned on mainstream pop/rock music, this music may seem a little >bizarre. Yet it has its own quirky appeal. This amazing CD has to be >heard to be believed. > >I find it a miracle a big company like MCA was willing to release >groundbreaking music like this. > >Cheers, >Paolo I have to second Paolo's recommendation here. A friend turned me on to their first lp a few years ago, it's great that it's out on CD. It is a very unusual records, instrumentally some of it wouldn't be out of place on an aphex twin record, which is amazing for when it was recorded, yet some of it could not have been recorded any other time, the stoner hippy lyrics are hilarious. I understand that Simeon has a new version of the band, I'd love to hear them. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:38:30 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 23:34:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWcju-0006Ix-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 23:33:58 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Re: Vortex for sale Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:17:20 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"D-fz.A.UTF.77Ub0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1223 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 23:33:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 05b1e7b2cb7c19db68704194aa4b0e6e >Found this on dejanews - I just bought the Jamman, but the Vortex is still >for sale I think: >>>>>>Hey thanks but I already own one.Glad you nailed the Jman!I located >>>>>>one here in town and at least 2 vortexes. BTW , if the JM doesnt have >>>>>>full memory ask someone on the list about the flashram. Dont buy it >>>>>>from Lexicon!I got mine from them when the unit first came out. I >>>>>>think you can get under$ 100 these days. OK good news take care K Law >Subject: Lexicon Vortex And Lexicon Jamman >From: soundjones@aol.com (SOUNDJONES) >Date: 1997/11/14 >Message-ID: <19971114181401.NAA02988@ladder01.news.aol.com> >Newsgroups: rec.audio.marketplace >[More Headers] > > Both unit in excellent condition. > > Vortex Morphing Modulation effects -200.00 > > Jamman phraze sampler/delay- 200.00 > > > Contact Troy at SOUNDJONES@AOL.COM > >Darcy Clark >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Materials Science and Engineering Department >University of Michigan >Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2136 >USA >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Room 2130, Dow Building >Phone (313) 764 3377 >Fax (313) 763 4788 >E-mail darcyc@engin.umich.edu >http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/mse250 >http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/people/darcyc/ >http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:38:08 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 15:41:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWVMw-0005gs-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:41:46 -0800 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 07:48:17 +0100 (MET) From: RHS Linux User To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jam Man Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"thbyyC.A.JJE.s8Nb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1214 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:41:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 1685fd569c03f430495ae37a86f67233 I would like to buy Lexicon Jam Man.Can you tell me, where is the nearest pleace where J can buy it because J live in Poland and there is no place J can purchase it . Leszek. From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 15:42:16 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 05:39:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWiRV-0001h3-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 05:39:21 -0800 Message-ID: <346DA64C.5DEB@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 08:40:28 -0500 From: jeff & mary duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: sync (was: Frisell live) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_S2zFB.A.rUB.SUab0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1225 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 05:39:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 003814df071c1da1062a3fbec2438bb2 Matthias Grob wrote: > > Miguel said > > That's it. > > Lets get rid of the sync paranoia. > > Long life for the freestyle looping aproach. > > I know its not meant very seriously, but nevertheless I feel like saying: > > Syncing is a very natural, human, probably even ethic thing. We are > learning about it on all levels, from daily live rhithms to human relations > to globalization - nothing to get paranoid, but not to get rid of either, > something to learn, through watches, pulses, phone calls, telepathic > feelings... > > Ok, if the moon month was syncronized to the earth year, the chines > calender would match the western... we are not all that powerfull and have > to be able to live with or even love chaos, too... > So each one works at a different front. > > Matthias >human was the music, >natural was the static... _John Updike From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 15:42:19 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 06:51:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWjZ0-000251-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 06:51:10 -0800 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 09:45:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711151445.JAA22323@marconi.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: OOPS . . . Resent-Message-ID: <"im28FB.A.3oB.uWbb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1226 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 06:51:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 98b2dc1424e647492b7704fedec1b2bd Hey Jamman afficionados: Got my box . . . finally got my Visionsoft chips for the 32 sec upgrade started to crack the case--working very slowly as I recognized the soft, tiny Phillsps head screws that manufzcturors love to "tamper-proof" thier boxes with. you guessed it . . .two stripped screws (center bottom, and back panel--the latter in particular had been death-toorqued by the assembler) any ideas (besides carving a notch in the screw heads with a Dremel tool--I don't want to do this) in every dream home, a heartache Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 15:42:23 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 08:12:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWkq6-0006OL-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 08:12:54 -0800 Message-ID: <346DC94E.6578@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 11:09:50 -0500 From: DENNIS PISKO Reply-To: pisko@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OOPS . . . References: <199711151445.JAA22323@marconi.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5f2VX.A.ywF.Ukcb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1227 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 08:12:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 630f8c865cd3167b3cddea0e3f2f2c91 Tom Lambrecht wrote: > > Hey Jamman afficionados: > > Got my box . . . finally > > got my Visionsoft chips for the 32 sec upgrade > > started to crack the case--working very slowly as I recognized the soft, > tiny Phillsps head screws that manufzcturors love to "tamper-proof" thier > boxes with. > > you guessed it . . .two stripped screws (center bottom, and back panel--the > latter in particular had been death-toorqued by the assembler) > > any ideas (besides carving a notch in the screw heads with a Dremel tool--I > don't want to do this) > > in every dream home, a heartache > > Tom > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.ne If the screw heads are well exposed, try locking plyers(ie. vice grips). The come in assorted sizes for asorted applications. From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 15:42:28 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 09:34:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWm77-0002lv-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 09:34:33 -0800 Message-ID: <19971115173234.20114.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 09:32:34 -0800 (PST) From: Twayn Williams Subject: Re: OOPS . . . To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"Y4E0dB.A.dUC.uwdb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1228 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 09:34:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 433d98f704a9d2541f4276095b618ef3 93 ---Tom Lambrecht wrote: > you guessed it . . .two stripped screws (center bottom, and back panel--the > latter in particular had been death-toorqued by the assembler) > > any ideas (besides carving a notch in the screw heads with a Dremel tool--I > don't want to do this) Fraid to say this, but you might want to take it to an electronics repair place, just so's they can get the screws out for you. 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat __________________________________________________________________ Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 15:42:29 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 10:36:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWn4Z-000692-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 10:35:59 -0800 X-Sender: paulpop@ssnet.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:36:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Ph.D.) Subject: Re: OOPS . . . Resent-Message-ID: <"C1-L1B.A.sWF.epeb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1229 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 10:35:59 -0800 X-UIDL: ce77494ca85c66ffb9cdd84dda3a319b This exact thing happened to me ... It has to be one of the most annoying things to happen ... the tolerances that the screws were tightened at clearly outweigh the strength of the materials involved. Anyway, two of them had to be removed using horrendous means ... good luck >Hey Jamman afficionados: > >Got my box . . . finally > >got my Visionsoft chips for the 32 sec upgrade > >started to crack the case--working very slowly as I recognized the soft, >tiny Phillsps head screws that manufzcturors love to "tamper-proof" thier >boxes with. > >you guessed it . . .two stripped screws (center bottom, and back panel--the >latter in particular had been death-toorqued by the assembler) > >any ideas (besides carving a notch in the screw heads with a Dremel tool--I >don't want to do this) > >in every dream home, a heartache > >Tom >Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. email = ppoplawski@state.de.us or paulpop@ssnet.com phone service = 302/737-4491 weekday office = 302/577-4980 From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 15:42:37 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 13:28:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWplt-0001mR-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:28:53 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000A1565.001424@mail.bl.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Re: Jon Hassell and other looping in London Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:24:40 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"4Qw8Z.A.-TB.gMhb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1232 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:28:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 8dafe0fd3ec1cf23cc5d44656a53c5b7 Speaking of Jon Hassel David& anyone else have you heard Re -Entry by Techno Animal? His contributions on 2 pieces are distinct elevating factors in the music which is sort of a heavy electronic trance dub> hard to catergorize.This is one of the most innovative recordings of the past ten years IMHO . I had the pleasure of talking to Justin Broadrick (Half of TA) last year at a Godflesh show and he said they sent Jon a dat with the backing tracks on it and he added his bits>> I was amazed >>the trumpet is so seamlessly a part of the music its hard to imagine without it.On looping have you heard Dave Draper aka the Invisible String Quartet ? I have a cd on Slam called Entomic that is just phenomenal>>live to dat recording makes great use of minimal fx & prepared guitar.Totally unknown in the US evidently but well worth the import price . Cheers K Law From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 15:42:40 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 15:31:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWrgL-0000vH-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 15:31:17 -0800 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 18:25:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711152325.SAA16136@mcfeely.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: OOPS . . . Resent-Message-ID: <"Brza6D.A.Ta.E-ib0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1233 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 15:31:17 -0800 X-UIDL: 113bd458cfeaf622aeadcbda2b59fd70 At 08:16 PM 11/15/97, you wrote: >>>you guessed it . . .two stripped screws (center bottom, and back panel--the >>>latter in particular had been death-toorqued by the assembler) > >>This exact thing happened to me ... It has to be one of the most annoying >>things to happen ... the tolerances that the screws were tightened at >>clearly outweigh the strength of the materials involved. Anyway, two of >>them had to be removed using horrendous means ... good luck > >Err... guys, believe it or not it's not that the screws are overtightened. >The problem lies in the fact that the screws are not repeat NOT Phillips. >They are POSIDRIVE of the type used to hold MACs together. If you can >locate a Posidrive screwdriver you may be able to salvage the screws. >NB this is a misprint for the first 350-ish units. Subsequent ones >actually _did_ use Phillips screws. > >Michael > > > > thanks everyone, for your concern. Yeah, I forgot yhe name of those damn goofy screws that have the little arrow and look just like Phillips . . . to paraphrase Indiana Jones, why did it have to be posidrive? Tom "the toolman" Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 15:42:40 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 15:31:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWrgY-0000wM-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 15:31:30 -0800 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 18:27:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711152327.SAA16592@mcfeely.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: JAMMAN Upgrades? Resent-Message-ID: <"-7A_FD.A.ui.r_ib0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1234 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 15:31:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 2c7e194dbfc55fb8817c66afac67cee7 At 11:19 AM 11/12/97 CST, you wrote: > I was looking through the list archives and ran across messages from > earlier in the year about upgrades that were being considered for the > Jamman. Did this ever happen? What is available? How much? etc. > > Brian > > > > I was curious about that myself especially now that I have one--and I'll bet the Lexicon guy can take care of my screw problem as well ;) Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 20:36:29 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 16:00:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWs8i-0002pY-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:00:36 -0800 Message-ID: <346E37ED.1E8A@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:01:49 -0500 From: djdowling@earthlink.net Reply-To: djdowling@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex for Sale References: <971113123128_1104457371@mrin58.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OUM0n.A.1SC.Oajb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1235 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:00:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 6c6b890d978c7e358f0b053d403cb823 Help! I've just entered into a bidding war for a Vortex...the auction ends in about 40 minutes...HOW HIGH should I bid? Dave From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 20:36:31 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 16:32:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWsd6-0004UP-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:32:00 -0800 Message-ID: <346E3F5D.4612@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:33:33 -0500 From: djdowling@earthlink.net Reply-To: djdowling@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:New DOD delay pedal etc. References: <971113123128_1104457371@mrin58.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XrnFZC.A.W6D.93jb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1236 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:32:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 724b8f8fe8cfd4d8d7d2b14c0b0601bc I enquired at several muisc staores today about the impending release of the 8 sec. delay w/ reverse to no avail. One "proprietor" could not believe that the current 4 sec unit existed let alone something more advanced. Someone wrote that he saw the new unit in a catalog of some sort (?)...where was this and how might I track it down? In my quest I came across some info on a new BOSS unit with 4 minutes of sample and a digicard type set-up. I inquired if this was a floor unit or rack and the response was: "neither, it's a...box." Dave From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 20:36:35 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 17:57:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWtxy-0001hm-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:57:38 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:50:19 -0800 To: djdowling@earthlink.net From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re:New DOD delay pedal etc. Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"9mPh3.A.sLB.GIlb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1237 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:57:38 -0800 X-UIDL: aa480211c3bf4f1b6b981b4d14828e37 >I enquired at several muisc staores today about the impending release of >the 8 sec. delay w/ reverse to no avail. One "proprietor" could not >believe that the current 4 sec unit existed let alone something more >advanced. >Someone wrote that he saw the new unit in a catalog of some sort >(?)...where was this and how might I track it down? >In my quest I came across some info on a new BOSS unit with 4 minutes of >sample and a digicard type set-up. I inquired if this was a floor unit >or rack and the response was: "neither, it's a...box." >Dave Don't you just love music store drones? Not only are they generally ignorant, but they assume they know everything. I spent an afternoon in Portland recently looking for the new Electro-Harmonix Q-tron envelope follower. Not only did no one have it in stock, but several sales drones tried to convince that it didn't exist, I was misinformed, and one even tried to patiently explain to me what an envelope follower really does. I want to get a button to wear to these places that says, "Don't assume I'm stupid". By the way,I believe the Boss SP-202 is the unit you're talking about. It is neither a floor or rack unit, it's more along the lines of the TB 303, kind of a cross between a really big caluclator and a table top synth module. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 20:36:42 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 19:41:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWvae-0001mo-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:41:40 -0800 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:36:08 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Dubofsky To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: djdowling@earthlink.net Subject: Re:New DOD delay pedal etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"GG4ngD.A.uNB.romb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1238 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:41:40 -0800 X-UIDL: 555c5fb8aba245fd0f9309b2bf8e1ea2 I have the Winter '98 American Musical Supply catalog and the DOD FX98 8 second delay is in it. I called to order it and sure enough was told there's a two week back order, whatever that means. I went to a local geetar shop and was told he could get it special order it for $98.00. steve d Skullsaw may cause irritation and watering of the eyes. DO NOT use Skullsaw if pregnant. Studies show Skullsaw may be habit forming. Consult your physician. http://www.gti.net/skullsaw From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 15:42:30 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 10:42:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWnB1-0006ed-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 10:42:39 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971115201618.1c6f0480@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:16:18 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: OOPS . . . In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"VOYgJD.A.e7F.xweb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1230 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 10:42:39 -0800 X-UIDL: 77b4d93ed0555d84396eb6fc34f67452 >>you guessed it . . .two stripped screws (center bottom, and back panel--the >>latter in particular had been death-toorqued by the assembler) >This exact thing happened to me ... It has to be one of the most annoying >things to happen ... the tolerances that the screws were tightened at >clearly outweigh the strength of the materials involved. Anyway, two of >them had to be removed using horrendous means ... good luck Err... guys, believe it or not it's not that the screws are overtightened. The problem lies in the fact that the screws are not repeat NOT Phillips. They are POSIDRIVE of the type used to hold MACs together. If you can locate a Posidrive screwdriver you may be able to salvage the screws. NB this is a misprint for the first 350-ish units. Subsequent ones actually _did_ use Phillips screws. Michael From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 20:36:45 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 20:27:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWwJP-0005PQ-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:27:55 -0800 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 23:22:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711160422.XAA08598@marconi.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: OOPS . . . Resent-Message-ID: <"-mg1NC.A.-gE.HUnb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1239 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:27:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 3c416f13895ac8f30c0bc44d30ad55b1 At 08:16 PM 11/15/97, you wrote: >>>you guessed it . . .two stripped screws (center bottom, and back panel--the >>>latter in particular had been death-toorqued by the assembler) > >>This exact thing happened to me ... It has to be one of the most annoying >>things to happen ... the tolerances that the screws were tightened at >>clearly outweigh the strength of the materials involved. Anyway, two of >>them had to be removed using horrendous means ... good luck > >Err... guys, believe it or not it's not that the screws are overtightened. >The problem lies in the fact that the screws are not repeat NOT Phillips. >They are POSIDRIVE of the type used to hold MACs together. If you can >locate a Posidrive screwdriver you may be able to salvage the screws. >NB this is a misprint for the first 350-ish units. Subsequent ones >actually _did_ use Phillips screws. > >Michael > > > > thanks everyone, for your concern. Yeah, I forgot yhe name of those damn goofy screws that have the little arrow and look just like Phillips . . . to paraphrase Indiana Jones, why did it have to be posidrive? Tom "the toolman" Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 21:30:19 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 20:42:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWwXM-0006bC-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:42:20 -0800 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 23:38:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711160438.XAA12731@marconi.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re:New DOD delay pedal etc. Resent-Message-ID: <"1h05D.A.o0F.1inb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1240 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:42:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 4792c97ac99eed0c2355cce1370b1fef At 05:50 PM 11/15/97 -0800, you wrote: >>I enquired at several muisc staores today about the impending release of >>the 8 sec. delay w/ reverse to no avail. One "proprietor" could not >>believe that the current 4 sec unit existed let alone something more >>advanced. >>Someone wrote that he saw the new unit in a catalog of some sort >>(?)...where was this and how might I track it down? >>In my quest I came across some info on a new BOSS unit with 4 minutes of >>sample and a digicard type set-up. I inquired if this was a floor unit >>or rack and the response was: "neither, it's a...box." >>Dave > >Don't you just love music store drones? Not only are they generally >ignorant, but they assume they know everything. I spent an afternoon in >Portland recently looking for the new Electro-Harmonix Q-tron envelope >follower. Not only did no one have it in stock, but several sales drones >tried to convince that it didn't exist, I was misinformed, and one even >tried to patiently explain to me what an envelope follower really does. I >want to get a button to wear to these places that says, "Don't assume I'm >stupid". > >By the way,I believe the Boss SP-202 is the unit you're talking about. It >is neither a floor or rack unit, it's more along the lines of the TB 303, >kind of a cross between a really big caluclator and a table top synth >module. > >________________________________________________________ >Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ > >"...there will come a day when you won't have to use >gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in >your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper >type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em >together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em >together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." > -Sun Ra >________________________________________________________ > > > > > Boy, I don't think specialty retail drones are confined to music stores (i can say that having done my time for 12 years) That Boss Sp 202 is my guess, too. Musician's Friend has it for $329--there was aa thread a short time ago here on looping wth digital samplers. Sovtek/Electro Harmonix is reissuing the MicroSynth and the 16 second delay which will hopefully bring them down to an affordable level. Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 00:38:14 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 22:30:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWyDq-0006Xl-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:30:18 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971116072422.00685adc@online.no> X-Sender: hovard@online.no (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 07:24:23 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hovard@online.no Subject: Echoplex Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"npiNWD.A.IpF.ZHpb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1241 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:30:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 96b7ac0a39123b2dded686bf5bd2dd6a Hi guys , I`m a novice in the looping-area so my question might be concidered ....well , "novice-like" :) here goes: How much is the "regular" street-price for the Oberheim echoplex??? I live in Norway , so I`m having trouble locating one. Therefore I am forced to turn to the Net and other countries to find one. So my second Q would be: Where can I find one??? Sorry for the hopeless questions , but my URGE to LOOP is driving me!! Torn and Frisell have put a spell on me! ps. I have heard that Frisell isnt using the Electro-harminix 16 sec. anymore , but rather a Digitech device......any info on that rather meaningless( :) ) topic??? From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 00:38:14 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 22:35:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWyJB-00078l-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:35:49 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711152327.SAA16592@mcfeely.concentric.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: JAMMAN ALERT Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 01:31:13 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"KfAqjC.A.6NG.4Mpb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1242 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:35:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 364ae707bb78225564424001ae4a4824 Anyone looking for ***New*** Jam Man in box? Price $288! - Music Warehouse >>Louisville Ky (502)-456 -4730 . Somebody grab it ! K Law From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 00:38:16 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 23:55:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWzYV-0004L8-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 23:55:43 -0800 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 23:51:07 -0800 (PST) From: Andre LaFosse To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19971116072422.00685adc@online.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"5Esox.A.osD.DXqb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1243 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 23:55:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 2a309cc28cfdc375949848a9b371890b On Sun, 16 Nov 1997 hovard@online.no wrote: > How much is the "regular" street-price for the Oberheim echoplex??? I live in > Norway , so I`m having trouble locating one. Therefore I am forced to turn to > the Net and other countries to find one. US Street price is usually somewhere between $500 and $700. The list price last I checked was about $799. > So my second Q would be: Where > can I find one??? There's a Bay Area dealer called Banana's at Large which seems to be a consistent and reliable outlet for them. Don't know if they do overseas shipping. Other than that I'm not too sure; they should be easier to track down once new units start shipping in the US, which should be very soon. --Andre From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 00:38:17 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 16 00:24:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xX00m-0006Bv-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 00:24:56 -0800 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 00:20:50 -0800 (PST) From: Andre LaFosse To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:Lo-Fi StutterinG & Drum n' Bass rolls In-Reply-To: <9710138794.AA879463259@mail.amsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"MoA3YB.A.wZF.Czqb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1244 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 00:24:56 -0800 X-UIDL: c659e8bffb6797a2ce7dbfa291681494 On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com wrote: > Is 'stuttering' the 'd-d-d-d-d-d-d' sound on aggressive drum & bass tracks > you mean (ala Squarepusher, Alec Empire, Plug, etc..)? I've also heard > that referred to as "machine-gunning". I don't know how other people do it > but I've approximated the effect with a Boss RV-3 Digital Reverb/Delay > pedal by setting the regen on the highest setting, the delay time on the > lowest/fastest setting and manually triggering it when an appropriate drum > beat hits. No, the effect you're describing sounds to me like what I would describe as a roll (though "machine-gunning" sounds a lot more cool). Stuttering is pretty prevalent on '80s hip-hop albums; it's basically re-triggering a sample several times before the sample has a chance to play all the way. The Public Enemy tune "Don't Believe The Hype" is the first example that pops into my head, with the Flavor Flav sample "Don't...Don't...Don't...Don't believe the hype *bwahahahahahahahaha*" That's stuttering. It's all over the place in a great many '80s rap and techno-pop albums; back when that was one of the most cutting edge things you could do with sample playback, it tended to get used an awful lot. The drum n' bass/jungle "machine gunning" effect is basically what I think of as an electronic emulation (and often exaggeration) of a drum roll. The easiest way to do it (which isn't really all that easy) is to go into a step-time window on a MIDI sequencer, draw several notes of extremmely short duration right next to each other (*very* close -- like a few PPQ's [pulse per quarter-note] together) on a single MIDI note (a snare sample is an obvious choice), then copy this fragment out over the length that you want the roll to happen. One final step is to draw a velocity curve from the beginning of the roll to the end, as in "change velocity smoothly from 1-127" over the length of the roll, if you want the roll to increase or decrease over its duration. It's time-consuming, but fairly easy work to do if your sequencing program can do the above tasks. Once you've got a basic roll happening, you can get a lot of milage out of it by cutting and pasting it into different sections, assigning it to different drum (or non-drum) samples, and changing the duration of the roll. Though I haven't actually experimented with it, it seems to me that using differing spacings between the individual notes that make up a roll should result in different audible pitches, since these sorts of rolls often happen fast enough to generate resonant frequencies. The method you're using sounds like it'll get the job done too, and should even give you some results that you wouldn't obtain using the "normal" approach. It's a fun effect; it's all over that Squarepusher record, and the Aphex Twin "Richard D. James" album is bursting to the seams with it. Also see the latest Mu-Ziq record "Lunatic Harness" for profuse "machine-gunning." > Now what about "timestretching"? This is changing the duration of a sound without altering the pitch. It generally requires some fairly upscale hard-disk processing; I know programs like Pro Tools use it. I haven't worked with timestretching very much (due almost entirely to lack of access to the aforementioned upscale gear), but I would think that a lot of jungle breakbeats tend to be timestretched, since speeding up a sample to typical drum 'n bass tempo ranges simply by playing back a normal sample at a higher pitch often gives the drums too much of a "tinkertoy" type of effect. (Then again, jungle isn't exactly known for its reverence to pristine and natural sound reproduction). I know that on the last David Bowie album, they had drummer Zach Alford tune his snare drum lower than normal so that when they played back samples of his playing at a higher pitch, it wouldn't sound too "tweeked." Goldie's "Timeless" album is apparently a good reference for timestretching, particularly on vocals, but what little of Goldie's music that I've heard didn't really compell me to hear any more of it, so someone else will have to fill in on that. Hope this helps, and sorry for the temporary side-trip into non-loop territory. --Andre From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 13:46:21 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 16 06:56:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xX67h-0001c6-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 06:56:29 -0800 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 09:51:09 -0500 (EST) From: Drumworker@aol.com Message-ID: <971116095108_1050016015@mrin46.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JamMan $ Question? Resent-Message-ID: <"eK1ie.A.IRB.diwb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1245 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 06:56:29 -0800 X-UIDL: dd68f27e43adead7ae1433c15d98da48 What is the street value of 2nd hand, upgraded JamMans these days? I have a friend who is thinking of selling his and doesn't know what to ask for it. Thanks, Drumworker@aol.com From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 13:46:21 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 16 06:58:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xX69W-0001ll-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 06:58:22 -0800 Message-Id: Subject: Virus Alert Date: Sun, 16 Nov 97 10:01:07 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Phil Diem To: , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"PDDi3.A.tYB.vkwb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1246 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 06:58:22 -0800 X-UIDL: 72ae5262be9cb08e4262fcb27fc37bc2 This is the first one of these that I've seen in a while. It appears to be legitiment - coming from and through reliable sorces. If it is legitiment then it's VERY IMPORTANT! >Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:43:11 -0500 (EST) >From: "Ray E. Mattatall" >X-Sender: mattatal@choplifter.rs.itd.umich.edu >Subject: Fwd: [Fwd: Fw: Virus warning] >________________________________________________ > Subject: NEW VIRUS!! > > WARNING!!!!!! If you receive an e-mail titled "JOIN THE CREW" DO NOT > open it! It will erase EVERYTHING on your hard drive! Send this > letter out to as many people you can ... this is a new virus and not > many people know about it! > > This information was received this morning from IBM, please share > it with anyone that might access the Internet. > > Also, if anyone receives mail entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!" please > delete it WITH OUT reading it!! This is a warning for all Internet > users-there is a dangerous virus propagating across the Internet > through an e-mail message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!". > > DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY MESSAGE ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETINGS"!! > > This message appears to be a friendly letter asking you if you are > interested in a penpal, but by the time you read this letter, it is > too late. The trojan horse virus will have already infected the > boot sector of your hard drive, destroying all of the data present. > It is a self-replicating virus, and once the message is read, it > will AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to anyone who's e-mail address is > present in YOUR mailbox! > > This virus will DESTROY your hard drive and holds the potential to > DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in your in-box and > who's mail is in their in-box and so on. If this virus keeps > getting passed, it has the potential to do a great deal of DAMAGE > to computer networks worldwide!!! > > Please, delete the message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!" as soon as > you see it! And pass this message along to all of your friends, > relatives and the other readers of the newsgroups and mailing lists > which you are on so that they are not hurt by this dangerous virus! > > Please pass this along to everyone you know so this can be stopped. > > PASS THIS ON TO YOUR FRIENDS. > > WARNING!!! This is a new virus going around in the last couple of > days! DO NOT open or even look at any mail that you get that says: > "Returned or Unable to Deliver" This virus will attach itself to your > computer components and render them useless. Immediately delete any > mail items that says this. AOL has said this is a very dangerous > virus, and there is NO remedy for it at this time. Please Be > Careful, > And forward to all your on-line friends A.S.A.P. > > Forward this A.S.A.P. to every single person you know!!!!!!!!! > > Greg Dimond > Informix > Software, Inc. > Global Telecommunications > 703-714-0608 > > From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 13:46:24 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 16 09:36:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xX8c4-0000DD-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 09:36:00 -0800 Message-ID: <346F2EC2.7849@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:34:58 -0500 From: djdowling@earthlink.net Reply-To: djdowling@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Echoplex Upgrade...etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Qd0ZkD.A.H6G.j1yb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1247 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 09:36:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 1effabb54e9c6827eb2eb116c7faf0a8 Some Questions- Q: Do brand new Plexes come with the new system in place or is it only available as an Upgrade? Q: If the unit does come with all the new fixings - how do I get one: a) from my local dealer. b)From Oberheim. c)Somewhere else? Q: How much do the new units go for? How much shopping should I do? Q: Can I run my GR-30, with stereo outputs, into the Plex? More later Dave From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 13:46:28 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 16 12:01:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXAso-0007ND-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:01:26 -0800 Message-ID: <346F4FC5.723@jmu.edu> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 14:55:49 -0500 From: library Organization: James Madison University X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: subscribe Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------4E9B2353247C" Resent-Message-ID: <"NB56E.A.hnG.P_0b0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1248 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:01:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 5e1086f1a1f00ff58c77f9ac953399cf My name is Brian Hagan and I would like to subscribe to your mailing list please. haganbr@jmu.edu Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; name="LoopList.html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="LoopList.html" Content-Base: "http://www.annihilist.com/loop/list/Lo opList.html" Looper's Delight Mailing List

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From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 13:46:33 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 16 12:52:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXBgJ-0002MS-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:52:35 -0800 From: Anthony Bowyer-Lowe To: Looper's Delight , Electronica Subject: Sick Vortex. Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:25:30 -0000 Message-ID: <01bcf2cd$c86040e0$LocalHost@amudarya> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"qOSN3C.A.Z7B.Xw1b0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1251 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:52:35 -0800 X-UIDL: d554e7b6c995214f72f586c8780f19d0 Hey people... My most wonderful Lexicon Vortex is sick - poor thing. The rotary encoder that selects the effect (the preset/register knob) has become intermittent, and will only choose certain preset numbers. I can still choose effects using the 'step' footpedal, but that doesn't let me choose preset effects, only the user registers. Any ideas what the problem is? Figure it's a mechanical issue with the encoder, so how easy is it to replace? Does anyone have contact information for Lexicon in the UK? Waaah, I miss my Vortex... ynohtnA. -- Anthony Bowyer-Lowe <= The Essence Of Anthony. http://www.amudarya.demon.co.uk/ From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 13:46:30 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 16 12:45:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXBZu-0001pJ-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:45:58 -0800 Message-ID: <346F5B96.6AB4@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:46:14 -0500 From: jeff & mary duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Virus Alert References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fZRpi.A.dRB.Tp1b0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1249 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:45:58 -0800 X-UIDL: aecd4fa774b2d48844b67b0c5cb9603b Phil Diem wrote: > > This is the first one of these that I've seen in a while. It appears to > be legitiment - coming from and through reliable sorces. If it is > legitiment then it's VERY IMPORTANT! > > >Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:43:11 -0500 (EST) > >From: "Ray E. Mattatall" > >X-Sender: mattatal@choplifter.rs.itd.umich.edu > >Subject: Fwd: [Fwd: Fw: Virus warning] > >________________________________________________ > > > Subject: NEW VIRUS!! > > > > WARNING!!!!!! If you receive an e-mail titled "JOIN THE CREW" DO NOT > > open it! It will erase EVERYTHING on your hard drive! Send this > > letter out to as many people you can ... this is a new virus and not > > many people know about it! > > > > This information was received this morning from IBM, please share > > it with anyone that might access the Internet. > > > > Also, if anyone receives mail entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!" please > > delete it WITH OUT reading it!! This is a warning for all Internet > > users-there is a dangerous virus propagating across the Internet > > through an e-mail message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!". > > > > DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY MESSAGE ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETINGS"!! > > > > This message appears to be a friendly letter asking you if you are > > interested in a penpal, but by the time you read this letter, it is > > too late. The trojan horse virus will have already infected the > > boot sector of your hard drive, destroying all of the data present. > > It is a self-replicating virus, and once the message is read, it > > will AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to anyone who's e-mail address is > > present in YOUR mailbox! > > > > This virus will DESTROY your hard drive and holds the potential to > > DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in your in-box and > > who's mail is in their in-box and so on. If this virus keeps > > getting passed, it has the potential to do a great deal of DAMAGE > > to computer networks worldwide!!! > > > > Please, delete the message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!" as soon as > > you see it! And pass this message along to all of your friends, > > relatives and the other readers of the newsgroups and mailing lists > > which you are on so that they are not hurt by this dangerous virus! > > > > Please pass this along to everyone you know so this can be stopped. > > > > PASS THIS ON TO YOUR FRIENDS. > > > > WARNING!!! This is a new virus going around in the last couple of > > days! DO NOT open or even look at any mail that you get that says: > > "Returned or Unable to Deliver" This virus will attach itself to your > > computer components and render them useless. Immediately delete any > > mail items that says this. AOL has said this is a very dangerous > > virus, and there is NO remedy for it at this time. Please Be > > Careful, > > And forward to all your on-line friends A.S.A.P. > > > > Forward this A.S.A.P. to every single person you know!!!!!!!!! > > > > Greg Dimond > > Informix > > Software, Inc. > > Global Telecommunications > > 703-714-0608 > > > > > >anyone know how to keep my mail from opening a message before i have read the title? I am running netscape 3.0. thanks Jeff From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 13:46:31 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 16 12:46:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXBa1-0001q2-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:46:05 -0800 Message-ID: <346F5BBC.2E4E@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:46:52 -0500 From: djdowling@earthlink.net Reply-To: djdowling@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:becoming a small, mobile, intelligent unit References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Un1oO.A.hTB.gp1b0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1250 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:46:05 -0800 X-UIDL: ad778e1554342a917783cf687dde8748 I sort of skimmed the many responses to a previous inquiry into this matter and thus, benefited only slightly. I'd hate to be responsible for regenerating a dead thread so perhaps I can take responses via personal email. For those who care to read no further, the subject is : playing guitar and guitar synth without conventional amplifiers etc. The equipment that I currently use is not right for the type of playing that I want to do, so I'm starting to switch over to different gear. Disclaimer: I am not a "gear head." This is why I seek help. Desired outcomes: to play guitar with multiple effects, looping capability and guitar synth without 500 pedals and 8 speakers and an amp. What it seems that I need: A cool effect processor (with excellent distortion, etc.) Some kind of SansAmp device (does such a device make a separate distortion unnecessary?) Speakers that are guitar and guit synth friendly Echoplex (or jman etc) Gr-30 (this I have) What is a hypothetical set up for my needs? What does the signal path look like? How do I become (as Fripp would have it) a small, mobile and intelligent unit? (I understand that only I can account for intelligence...but you can help me to be informed.) Anyone who would be kind enough to become my virtual technician in light of my ignorance, please respond. Many thanks. Dave From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 13:46:41 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 16 13:45:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXCVd-0004un-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:45:37 -0800 Message-Id: <199711162139.QAA15544@moonpatrol.rs.itd.umich.edu> To: Phil Diem cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, newschool@umich.edu, "Ray E. Mattatall" Subject: Re: Virus Alert In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 16 Nov 1997 10:01:07 -0500. Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:39:48 -0500 From: Joseph L Gelinas Resent-Message-ID: <"M-s0eC.A.qKE.mg2b0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1252 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:45:37 -0800 X-UIDL: e04976cc72cc2be9c02887a6ba10f4b9 > Date: Sun, 16 Nov 97 10:01:07 -0500 > From: Phil Diem > To: , , > This is the first one of these that I've seen in a while. It appears to > be legitiment - coming from and through reliable sorces. If it is > legitiment then it's VERY IMPORTANT! I've not seen one in a while, either. That doesn't mean that this one is any more valid than all the others have been. In general, BEFORE fowarding one of these on, you should find an anti-virus source that you trust, to get confirmation. As discovered by the shepherd boy, crying "wolf" is a dangerous pastime. ;) A good place to check is the University of Michigan's "Virus Busters" web page at http://www.itd.umich.edu/Virus-Busters/ They added the "Returned or Unable To Deliver 'Virus' Email Warning" to their page on or about August 28, 1997. "Join the crew" was reported on or aobut July 10, 1997. In case I've not been clear: These are hoaxes, not real viruses. > >Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:43:11 -0500 (EST) > >From: "Ray E. Mattatall" > >X-Sender: mattatal@choplifter.rs.itd.umich.edu > >Subject: Fwd: [Fwd: Fw: Virus warning] > >________________________________________________ > > > Subject: NEW VIRUS!! > > > > WARNING!!!!!! If you receive an e-mail titled "JOIN THE CREW" DO NOT > > open it! It will erase EVERYTHING on your hard drive! Send this > > letter out to as many people you can ... this is a new virus and not > > many people know about it! {Remainder of original message deleted. JLG.} Gelinas. ---------------------------- Joseph L. Gelinas Gelinas@umich.edu ---------------------------- From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 23:17:16 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 16 13:47:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXCXn-000588-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:47:51 -0800 From: David Evans Message-Id: <199711162142.QAA30519@barrow.uwaterloo.ca> Subject: Re: Sick Vortex. To: anthony@amudarya.demon.co.uk (Anthony Bowyer-Lowe) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:42:44 -0500 (EST) Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, electronica@noether.ex.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <01bcf2cd$c86040e0$LocalHost@amudarya> from "Anthony Bowyer-Lowe" at Nov 16, 97 08:25:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"thynwB.A.IeE.ek2b0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1253 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:47:51 -0800 X-UIDL: ad93f3469046788e7b2b058d6b37359e Anthony Bowyer-Lowe wrote: > > My most wonderful Lexicon Vortex is sick - poor thing. The rotary encoder that > selects > the effect (the preset/register knob) has become intermittent, and will only > choose > certain preset numbers. I can still choose effects using the 'step' footpedal, > but that > doesn't let me choose preset effects, only the user registers. > Sounds like the encoder needs to be either cleaned or replaced. Some of these come apart and can be salvaged, while others can't. If you can find out the kind of encoder you need you should be able to get it from any big electronics place (the name of the one in the UK escapes me at the moment...) To give a perspective on price I bought some for my Xpander and they were something like $4 US each. -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 23:17:18 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 16 14:19:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXD2l-0006aK-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 14:19:51 -0800 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:15:36 -0700 (MST) From: Henry Throop To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: sick Vortex In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"OjtlzC.A.96F.MC3b0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1254 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 14:19:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 3631da192489ef7a30bfba664e60bdc6 Anthony Bowyer-Lowe writes: > My most wonderful Lexicon Vortex is sick - poor thing. The rotary > encoder that selects the effect (the preset/register knob) has become > intermittent, and will only choose certain preset numbers. I can still > choose effects using the 'step' footpedal, but that doesn't let me > choose preset effects, only the user registers. > Any ideas what the problem is? Figure it's a mechanical issue with the > encoder, so how easy is it to replace? Does anyone have contact > information for Lexicon in the UK? The same control went out on my LXP-15. It's not exactly trivial to replace, but if you're handy with a soldering iron you can take out the old one and put in a new... the switch itself has a dozen or so pins that need to be unsoldered. Lex sent me a replacement part; I would imagine that it's a similar unit on the Vortex. If you're in a bind, you may be able to take the switch apart and clean out the contacts, and re-bend them if necessary. Might be quicker than waiting for a replacement part, although if you're like me, you run the risk of destroying the switch completely this way. -henry throop@colorado.edu From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 23:17:22 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 16 17:56:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXGQM-0001Uv-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:56:26 -0800 From: "Jesse Kudler" To: , Subject: Re: Virus Alert Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:50:32 -0500 Message-ID: <01bcf2fb$30888e20$224c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"nl1rI.A.GAB.EK6b0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1255 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:56:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 43f6c817d4471842a9fa6f441fa1c4b1 These stupid things circulate a lot. You can't get a virus from an e-mail, only an executable program. If a mail has an attachment, that could have a virus, but not the mail itself. I see these kinds of warnings all the time, and I'm surprised no one else has debunked this one yet. -Jesse -----Original Message----- From: jeff & mary duke To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sunday, November 16, 1997 3:49 PM Subject: Re: Virus Alert >Phil Diem wrote: >> >> This is the first one of these that I've seen in a while. It appears to >> be legitiment - coming from and through reliable sorces. If it is >> legitiment then it's VERY IMPORTANT! >> >> >Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:43:11 -0500 (EST) >> >From: "Ray E. Mattatall" >> >X-Sender: mattatal@choplifter.rs.itd.umich.edu >> >Subject: Fwd: [Fwd: Fw: Virus warning] >> >________________________________________________ >> >> > Subject: NEW VIRUS!! >> > >> > WARNING!!!!!! If you receive an e-mail titled "JOIN THE CREW" DO NOT >> > open it! It will erase EVERYTHING on your hard drive! Send this >> > letter out to as many people you can ... this is a new virus and not >> > many people know about it! >> > >> > This information was received this morning from IBM, please share >> > it with anyone that might access the Internet. >> > >> > Also, if anyone receives mail entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!" please >> > delete it WITH OUT reading it!! This is a warning for all Internet >> > users-there is a dangerous virus propagating across the Internet >> > through an e-mail message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!". >> > >> > DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY MESSAGE ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETINGS"!! >> > >> > This message appears to be a friendly letter asking you if you are >> > interested in a penpal, but by the time you read this letter, it is >> > too late. The trojan horse virus will have already infected the >> > boot sector of your hard drive, destroying all of the data present. >> > It is a self-replicating virus, and once the message is read, it >> > will AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to anyone who's e-mail address is >> > present in YOUR mailbox! >> > >> > This virus will DESTROY your hard drive and holds the potential to >> > DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in your in-box and >> > who's mail is in their in-box and so on. If this virus keeps >> > getting passed, it has the potential to do a great deal of DAMAGE >> > to computer networks worldwide!!! >> > >> > Please, delete the message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!" as soon as >> > you see it! And pass this message along to all of your friends, >> > relatives and the other readers of the newsgroups and mailing lists >> > which you are on so that they are not hurt by this dangerous virus! >> > >> > Please pass this along to everyone you know so this can be stopped. >> > >> > PASS THIS ON TO YOUR FRIENDS. >> > >> > WARNING!!! This is a new virus going around in the last couple of >> > days! DO NOT open or even look at any mail that you get that says: >> > "Returned or Unable to Deliver" This virus will attach itself to your >> > computer components and render them useless. Immediately delete any >> > mail items that says this. AOL has said this is a very dangerous >> > virus, and there is NO remedy for it at this time. Please Be >> > Careful, >> > And forward to all your on-line friends A.S.A.P. >> > >> > Forward this A.S.A.P. to every single person you know!!!!!!!!! >> > >> > Greg Dimond >> > Informix >> > Software, Inc. >> > Global Telecommunications >> > 703-714-0608 >> > >> > >> >anyone know how to keep my mail from opening a message before i have read the title? I am running netscape 3.0. thanks Jeff > > From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 23:17:27 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 16 19:00:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXHQk-0004mX-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:00:54 -0800 Posted-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:56:08 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19971117025542.006a421c@visi.com> X-Sender: spat@visi.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:55:42 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: spat@visi.com Subject: Re: Sick Vortex. Resent-Message-ID: <"8OoOx.A.RME.NJ7b0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1256 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:00:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 7e71c418d530c818528434a1c3e2117a >My most wonderful Lexicon Vortex is sick - poor thing. The rotary encoder that >selects the effect (the preset/register knob) has become intermittent, and will only >choose certain preset numbers It sounds like the pot has gone bad. The same thing happened on my JamMan. I e-mailed Lexicon, and they will fix the unit for a flat rate of $95, or send you a replacement pot for about ten bucks. FWIW, I understand Lexicon is fully aware that a certain pot put on some of their equipment is prone to failure and they've since changed vendors for the part. Once that warranty expires, however, you're outta luck, and you must foot the bill yourself for a part known by the manufacturer to be junk. Caveat Emptor. Steve From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 23:17:29 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 16 19:55:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXIHW-0000q7-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:55:26 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971117044922.006930a0@online.no> X-Sender: hovard@online.no X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 04:49:23 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hovard@online.no Subject: The magic of Torn Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"AXWhJ.A.5W.H87b0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1257 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:55:26 -0800 X-UIDL: a677f165b6a89c01774b8003b3e38a13 Hi guys , I have a question about some of the sounds David Torn gets out of his equipment ( I know this is hard to answer , I`m just looking for ideas and information). And I hope this is not off-topic , but ; Torn makes these huge, lush , organic and warm/ugly carpets of sound that lies way back in the mix and sortof just envelopes the music. (I`m shure u know what I mean. If u dont, listen to his cd "tripping over God". Is this done with volumepedal and reverb/delay?? if so , how can he make it move and change throughout the loop?? how long do u think these loops are?? 5 secs or 90??? I mean , I dont understand HOW he does it , but those things are the main reason I`m out there searching for a looper.Which I can`t find BTW. I hope I haven`t annoyed you with my ignorance or started a debate which is off-topic (I have noticed that a lot of the postings are gear-related). Yours truly , Thomas Woehni From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 01:03:34 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 01:02:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXN4R-0000zM-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:02:15 -0800 Sender: camao@camsg001.camb.scee.sony.co.uk Message-ID: <347006E1.99FB638D@scee.sony.co.uk> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:57:05 +0000 From: Os X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Virus Alert References: <01bcf2fb$30888e20$224c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cEe6yB.A.zq.vbAc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1258 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:02:15 -0800 X-UIDL: db7a71e7d9a2523b8a6502629a735fb1 Another useful de-bunking page: http://www.mcafee.com/support/hoax.asp cheers, os. Jesse Kudler wrote: > > These stupid things circulate a lot. You can't get a virus from an e-mail, > only an executable program. If a mail has an attachment, that could have a > virus, but not the mail itself. I see these kinds of warnings all the time, > and I'm surprised no one else has debunked this one yet. > > -Jesse > > -----Original Message----- > From: jeff & mary duke > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Sunday, November 16, 1997 3:49 PM > Subject: Re: Virus Alert > > >Phil Diem wrote: > >> > >> This is the first one of these that I've seen in a while. It appears to > >> be legitiment - coming from and through reliable sorces. If it is > >> legitiment then it's VERY IMPORTANT! > >> > >> >Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:43:11 -0500 (EST) > >> >From: "Ray E. Mattatall" > >> >X-Sender: mattatal@choplifter.rs.itd.umich.edu > >> >Subject: Fwd: [Fwd: Fw: Virus warning] > >> >________________________________________________ > >> > >> > Subject: NEW VIRUS!! > >> > > >> > WARNING!!!!!! If you receive an e-mail titled "JOIN THE CREW" DO NOT > >> > open it! It will erase EVERYTHING on your hard drive! Send this > >> > letter out to as many people you can ... this is a new virus and not > >> > many people know about it! > >> > > >> > This information was received this morning from IBM, please share > >> > it with anyone that might access the Internet. > >> > > >> > Also, if anyone receives mail entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!" please > >> > delete it WITH OUT reading it!! This is a warning for all Internet > >> > users-there is a dangerous virus propagating across the Internet > >> > through an e-mail message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!". > >> > > >> > DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY MESSAGE ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETINGS"!! > >> > > >> > This message appears to be a friendly letter asking you if you are > >> > interested in a penpal, but by the time you read this letter, it is > >> > too late. The trojan horse virus will have already infected the > >> > boot sector of your hard drive, destroying all of the data present. > >> > It is a self-replicating virus, and once the message is read, it > >> > will AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to anyone who's e-mail address is > >> > present in YOUR mailbox! > >> > > >> > This virus will DESTROY your hard drive and holds the potential to > >> > DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in your in-box and > >> > who's mail is in their in-box and so on. If this virus keeps > >> > getting passed, it has the potential to do a great deal of DAMAGE > >> > to computer networks worldwide!!! > >> > > >> > Please, delete the message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!" as soon as > >> > you see it! And pass this message along to all of your friends, > >> > relatives and the other readers of the newsgroups and mailing lists > >> > which you are on so that they are not hurt by this dangerous virus! > >> > > >> > Please pass this along to everyone you know so this can be stopped. > >> > > >> > PASS THIS ON TO YOUR FRIENDS. > >> > > >> > WARNING!!! This is a new virus going around in the last couple of > >> > days! DO NOT open or even look at any mail that you get that says: > >> > "Returned or Unable to Deliver" This virus will attach itself to your > >> > computer components and render them useless. Immediately delete any > >> > mail items that says this. AOL has said this is a very dangerous > >> > virus, and there is NO remedy for it at this time. Please Be > >> > Careful, > >> > And forward to all your on-line friends A.S.A.P. > >> > > >> > Forward this A.S.A.P. to every single person you know!!!!!!!!! > >> > > >> > Greg Dimond > >> > Informix > >> > Software, Inc. > >> > Global Telecommunications > >> > 703-714-0608 > >> > > >> > > >> >anyone know how to keep my mail from opening a message before i have > read the title? I am running netscape 3.0. thanks Jeff > > > > -- Os os@millennium.co.uk http://webworlds.net/os/ From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 01:27:48 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 01:06:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXN8w-0001KN-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:06:54 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <346F2EC2.7849@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:02:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex Upgrade...etc. Resent-Message-ID: <"uiP6CB.A.2-.ehAc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1259 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:06:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 9f0f348fccbb036d54818b71f8e3ebd7 At 12:34 PM -0500 11/16/97, djdowling@earthlink.net wrote: >Some Questions- > >Q: Do brand new Plexes come with the new system in place or is it only >available as an Upgrade? new ones have the new software. >Q: If the unit does come with all the new fixings - how do I get one: a) >from my local dealer. b)From Oberheim. c)Somewhere else? local dealer, you might want to contact Oberheim to discover who that is and whether or not they have any in stock yet. >Q: How much do the new units go for? How much shopping should I do? list price is something like $800, but don't quote me. Street price is probably lower. >Q: Can I run my GR-30, with stereo outputs, into the Plex? The echoplex is mono, so you couldn't run true stereo loops with one of them. However, the echoplex is designed to allow multiple units to sync to each other. It is rather common for people to buy two echoplexes and set them up in a master/slave arrangement for stereo operation. The echoplex is designed to handle this stereo configuration, and does it very well with the new software. You can add moreunits if your budget can tolerate it, and get as multitracked as you like. Also, you don't need to have multiple units follow a master, they can be operated independently while using the sync to give some relationships among the loops. This is used for multitracks with different instruments, polyrhythmic looping, more complex mixing control of multiple loops, band-of-loopers, etc. hope this helps, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 10:10:15 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 08:47:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXUKL-00033X-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:47:09 -0800 Message-Id: <199711171619.IAA18328@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Vortex in a Coma Date: Mon, 17 Nov 97 10:23:59 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"6haKGC.A.U8B.aLHc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1267 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:47:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 8477c6a2166420ea753dfec3245212e5 My Vortex went down last night in the middle of a gig. Sonic grooviness stopped, and I looked up at the display, and all the lights and LED elements were on. Cycling power, unplugging everything, etc didn't do any good. Can Greg suggest anything, or tell me where to send it in for service? Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 10:10:01 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 02:54:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXOp6-0005HN-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 02:54:32 -0800 Message-ID: <3470226B.7847@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 05:54:35 -0500 From: jeff & mary duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The magic of Torn References: <3.0.32.19971117044922.006930a0@online.no> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EuCy2B.A.rtE.iECc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1260 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 02:54:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 8e9a80b8acc4edef6d09052ac8843e2c hovard@online.no wrote: > > Hi guys , I have a question about some of the sounds David Torn gets out of > his > equipment ( I know this is hard to answer , I`m just looking for ideas and > information). > And I hope this is not off-topic , but ; Torn makes these huge, lush , > organic and warm/ugly carpets of sound that lies way back in the mix and > sortof just envelopes the music. (I`m shure u know what I mean. If u dont, > listen to his cd "tripping over God". > > Is this done with volumepedal and reverb/delay?? if so , how can he make it > move and change throughout the loop?? how long do u think these loops are?? > 5 secs or 90??? > I mean , I dont understand HOW he does it , but those things are the main > reason I`m out there searching for a looper.Which I can`t find BTW. > > I hope I haven`t annoyed you with my ignorance or started a debate which is > off-topic > (I have noticed that a lot of the postings are gear-related). > > Yours truly , Thomas Woehni >I was reading an old interveiw with Torn and he called it >hypnodrones;> Well what I do is, I play guitar into a delay line, which I then process. Then play more into > it and then I process more, and then play more into it, and then process more. And the > opening sound, if you can hear it in "Time Bomb" ö it's a little bit low, is a drone, is a > loop. All the background sounds in "Time Bomb," in "Diamond Mansions," ö that's a > loop. The solo on "The Others" underneath things, I looped Chris B's trumpet. In the end > of "Brave Light of Sun," that is solo guitar. After the drums drop out, and there's about a > minute and a half of sound ö that's solo guitar, with the drones. Let's see ö what doesn't > have it? "Door X" is all loops. That's all it is [laughs]... It's nothing but guitar - it's like > three tracks of guitar. >also he has said that he improvises onto dat then puts it into a computer to make songs out of the bits!So its improvised then modified. >I hope this helps a little.Have you checked out "The Torn Web" at http://ott-outreach.engin.umich.edu/torn/ >Jeff Duke > From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 10:10:02 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 05:23:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXR94-0002W9-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 05:23:18 -0800 Message-Id: Subject: apology and thank you Date: Mon, 17 Nov 97 08:23:52 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Phil Diem To: , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"SmImEC.A.P9B.hPEc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1261 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 05:23:18 -0800 X-UIDL: a39cc81d8806f866fa8c18c8af3b1fd2 Sorry 'bout the virus post. And thank you to all who provided web sites for checking/de-bunking these rumors. Phil From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 10:10:05 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 06:05:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXRni-0004fL-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 06:05:18 -0800 From: Anthony Bowyer-Lowe To: Looper's Delight , malhomme@infobiogen.fr MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at post.mail.demon.net Subject: Re: Sync Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:53:09 -0000 Message-ID: <01bcf360$234892e0$LocalHost@amudarya> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"7851JC.A.E8D.p3Ec0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1263 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 06:05:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 105a3bdc42891fb49f1295fdeaa58e25 Hey Olivier... [Note: this isn't really on-topic for looping, but since some of you are concerned with syncing issues...] >I sync my old SH-101 (roland mono synth) with an old TR606, this way: >Thru my sequencer, I send codes to the TR that make it play bass drum >and snare at the same (better with all the sounds), with volume cranked >up. Then the "sound" in sent via jeck to the external clock input of the >SH-101. Of course it is not enough to rech the 5V (on the roland, I >think the clock is 12V, but I'm not sure), bu it is enough to make it >play synched to the sequencer, which is enough to do the job. Since we >can get sync with midi, then de facto an old analog thingie can be >synched with a looper... If that works, then all power to you... BUT! The 606 has a couple of trigger outs, which mirror the patterns programmed for the hi- and lo- toms. Surely it'd be easier to sync the 101 with one of those triggers? And that'd still leave you with the 606's audio out, letting you use its sweet, sweet hi-hats for your tracks. Questions? ynohtnA. -- Anthony Bowyer-Lowe <= The Essence Of Anthony. http://www.amudarya.demon.co.uk/ From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 10:10:04 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 06:02:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXRl2-0004QB-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 06:02:32 -0800 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:56:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711171356.IAA09432@cliff.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: apology and thank you Resent-Message-ID: <"6Vqu7D.A.MvD.H0Ec0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1262 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 06:02:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 0d730c09dad1008e5b21ef13826350d7 At 08:23 AM 11/17/97 -0500, you wrote: >Sorry 'bout the virus post. > >And thank you to all who provided web sites for checking/de-bunking these >rumors. > >Phil > > > No worries--the theory behind bogus virus posts and Gerber baby food settlements on the Net is to bog the whole thing down in bandwidthgobbling frenzied correspndence . . . darn cyber -Luddites Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 23:52:56 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 12:31:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXXp6-0001TS-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:31:08 -0800 Message-Id: <199711171957.LAA14648@scv4.apple.com> Subject: Re: The magic of Torn Date: Mon, 17 Nov 97 14:01:15 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"dL2Hw.A._S.DcKc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1275 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:31:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 57afc77f5a8e149b7e54acb43b1f82de >Is this done with volumepedal and reverb/delay?? if so , how can he make it >move and change throughout the loop?? how long do u think these loops are?? >5 secs or 90??? >I mean , I dont understand HOW he does it , but those things are the main >reason I`m out there searching for a looper.Which I can`t find BTW. I've got the Torn instructional videos, and he demonstrates a lot of his playing techniques. He makes several of the loops you're referring to with a PCM-42 with 20 seconds of delay. A lot of volume pedal work, a little compression, distortion and phase-shifting on the input signal. He locks down the loop, and sends that through a Digitech harmonizer set to a fifth or an octave above, and runs the whole thing through a PCM-70 for a really big reverb. He may also use a reverse reverb, it's been a while since I watched the video. The PCM-42 can also be set to randomly set the modulation section, resulting in further rapid pitch shifts, which the reverb smooths out. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 10:10:07 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 07:12:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXSqG-00034o-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 07:12:00 -0800 Message-Id: <199711171455.GAA11968@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: GEAR Question: Roland GR-700 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 07:04:43 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gOg1v.A.4SC.VyFc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1264 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 07:12:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 82d5980cbd147f13630801d893f67482 > From: Kim Flint > > I would say buy it only if you are a collector. The new GR30 does so > >much more, sounds much better, tracks MUCH better, and can be had new > >for less than $1000 with the GK2A pickup. I think it includes a > >sequencer, too. > GR30's internal synth is sample playback, right? Since the GR-700 is analog, > it will likely sound totally different. Whether it's better or not depends > on what you want to do. I usually find sample playback synths to be > completely unsatisfying, especially from a guitar controller. I tend to Kim, I couldn't agree with you more (and sorry for joining the discussion late). With the resurgence of interest in analog keyboards (knobs!!) I wonder if Roland, or anyone for that matter, will re-issue a guitar synth similar to the GR-300/700s. It seems that with all the other advancements with guitar synth tracking, an analog hybrid guitar synth could really shine and offer players an alternate to sample playback machines. Speaking of guitar synths, has anyone heard Andy Summer's new solo album? The first track features some really great out there guitar sounds reminiscent of some of his guitar synth work with the Police....or it just could be some *very* creative work with an effects processor. Matt From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 10:10:08 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 07:20:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXSy8-0003gG-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 07:20:08 -0800 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:12:25 -0500 (EST) From: Drumworker@aol.com Message-ID: <971117101225_87119751@mrin44.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DP4, Anyone Interested? Resent-Message-ID: <"4yHDEC.A.H_C.a8Fc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1265 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 07:20:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 071f18bf1abdd00ea126490ac48703c3 I have a friend selling a DP4. He is currently studying in Germany but will be back in Dec. Is anyone interested in making an offer for it? His description of the unit follows: "The DP4 has a short (only 3.3 secs) but high resolution loop. It has 4 effects units which can be ganged in many configurations, and includes a very wide range of excellent algorithms, from reverb/delay, chorus/flange, speaker emulation, gating, and even vocoding." Cheers, Paul O. From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 23:52:58 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 12:43:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXY0r-0002tA-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:43:17 -0800 From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com Date: Mon, 17 Nov 97 11:00:00 EST Encoding: 4 Text Message-Id: <9710178798.AA879809480@mail.amsinc.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:Lo-Fi StutterinG & Drum n' Bass rolls Resent-Message-ID: <"vI8pq.A.KhB.TnKc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1277 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:43:17 -0800 X-UIDL: 42215328b740d830795ae82868279d75 Thanks for the info - very interesting... ed From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 10:10:12 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 08:23:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXTx7-0000Yr-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:23:09 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C2917864F@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Sick Vortex. Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:10:52 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"TcgeuB.A.X6G.j0Gc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1266 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:23:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 5bedbd68e80ce11971dd43df6eb0f8be Dear Anthony, The encoder needs to be replaced. Our Distributor for the U.K. is Stirling Audio who should be able to sell you a switch or have it replaced. Stirling can be reached at 1-71-624-6000. Cleaning per Daves post will not help. Though this is one of the more common failures in these machines we have never seen an alarming number of failures of this type. This is not the pot that we stopped using in the LXP-15 which Steve had alluded to. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +781-280-0499 email: ghogan@lexicon.com From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 10:10:16 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 09:13:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXUjV-0005IN-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:13:09 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C2917865C@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Vortex in a Coma Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:00:01 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"mbaDyC.A.eDE.siHc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1268 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:13:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 7a23e863cc5149cb13119e97d6a5022a Dear Travis, Please verify that the power supply is working properly. If it is not the power supply I suggest that the machine be returned directly to us. Please contact me directly with your address and phone number and the serial number of the machine and I will give you shipping instructions and a return authorization number. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone 781-280-0372 FAX 781-280-0499 email: ghogan@lexicon.com > ---------- > From: T.W. Hartnett[SMTP:hartnett.t@apple.com] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Monday, November 17, 1997 11:44 AM > To: GHogan@lexicon.com > Subject: Vortex in a Coma > > My Vortex went down last night in the middle of a gig. Sonic > grooviness > stopped, and I looked up at the display, and all the lights and LED > elements were on. Cycling power, unplugging everything, etc didn't do > > any good. Can Greg suggest anything, or tell me where to send it in > for > service? > > Travis Hartnett > From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 23:52:50 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 12:02:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXXN8-0006CM-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:02:14 -0800 Message-ID: <34707A12.F0A@infobiogen.fr> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:08:36 +0000 From: malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: Pasteur Lille X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Sync II References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3SxUv.A.ceE.JAKc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1274 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:02:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 8c9c5aedc6d22153d0192f68aba1e365 AHHH error error it is not a tr 606, but a 505. That makes all tyhe difference because there is no trigger out. I tried to replicate the high voltage output by adding the sounds one on another, and cranking the volume. And, yes, I loose then the bebefits of adding some sounds of these machines in the process.... Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 23:52:51 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 12:02:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXXNE-0006D8-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:02:20 -0800 Message-ID: <34707AB0.3524@infobiogen.fr> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:11:15 +0000 From: malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: Pasteur Lille X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Please, young americans... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CQWPvC.A.KdE.BAKc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1273 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:02:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 2269e66ca9013f6023d272a8578db17d Would you be kind enough to forward me some telephone numbers (not 800-XXX) where I could call, considering I coould buy one FX-98 (a good start when no jamdudes or echopleces are appearing in the horizon.. Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 10:10:26 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 10:09:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXVbz-0002v7-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:09:27 -0800 X-Sender: nicomonguzzi@mail.vtx.ch Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <971117101225_87119751@mrin44.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:17:05 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "nicomonguzzi" Subject: Re: DP4, Anyone Interested? Resent-Message-ID: <"y6lWGC.A.fpB.cXIc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1270 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:09:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 79de4232fde79f96c4c7f7e3e56f82ce You: >I have a friend selling a DP4. >He is currently studying in Germany but will be back in Dec. Is anyone >interested in making an offer for it? > >His description of the unit follows: > >"The DP4 has a short (only 3.3 secs) but high resolution loop. It has 4 >effects units which can be ganged in many configurations, and includes a very >wide range of excellent algorithms, from reverb/delay, chorus/flange, speaker >emulation, gating, and even vocoding." > >Cheers, >Paul O. Me: Your friend has the DP4 with him in Germany? i live in Switzerland (lausanne). It is the new model (DP4+)? around 500 $ ? However it' a really nice effects processor, the guitarist that play with me has one and is very satisfied. i would use it not as a looper of course, but before or after my jamman. it has even a sound generator.. ciao nicos (sorry for my english) From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 10:10:24 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 10:02:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXVVP-0002Cg-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:02:39 -0800 Old-X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <01BCF380.FF248C40@PCANDREW> From: Andrew To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: sick Vortex Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:48:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCF380.FF2DB400" Resent-Message-ID: <"DL6XU.A.gCB.jRIc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1269 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:02:39 -0800 X-UIDL: eb8c19908f5c1a3831a2878180974b08 Henry, The Lexicon people in the UK are STIRLING AUDIO - sorry I don't have their number, but I do know they're based in London. -----Original Message----- From: Henry Throop [SMTP:throop@bogart.Colorado.EDU] Sent: 16 November 1997 22:16 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: sick Vortex Anthony Bowyer-Lowe writes: > My most wonderful Lexicon Vortex is sick - poor thing. The rotary > encoder that selects the effect (the preset/register knob) has become > intermittent, and will only choose certain preset numbers. I can still > choose effects using the 'step' footpedal, but that doesn't let me > choose preset effects, only the user registers. > Any ideas what the problem is? Figure it's a mechanical issue with the > encoder, so how easy is it to replace? Does anyone have contact > information for Lexicon in the UK? The same control went out on my LXP-15. It's not exactly trivial to replace, but if you're handy with a soldering iron you can take out the old one and put in a new... the switch itself has a dozen or so pins that need to be unsoldered. Lex sent me a replacement part; I would imagine that it's a similar unit on the Vortex. If you're in a bind, you may be able to take the switch apart and clean out the contacts, and re-bend them if necessary. Might be quicker than waiting for a replacement part, although if you're like me, you run the risk of destroying the switch completely this way. -henry throop@colorado.edu From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 23:52:52 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 12:02:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXXNT-0006F6-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:02:35 -0800 From: Anthony Bowyer-Lowe To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at post.mail.demon.net Subject: Re: Sick Vortex. Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:35:11 -0000 Message-ID: <01bcf387$89b4e700$LocalHost@amudarya> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"1GAnZC.A.XZE.m_Jc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1272 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:02:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 3d05c00010f8e284ac353b6f614b0015 >Dear Anthony, > >The encoder needs to be replaced. Our Distributor for the U.K. is >Stirling Audio who should be able to sell you a switch or have it >replaced. Stirling can be reached at 1-71-624-6000. Thanks for the information, Greg. I'll get in touch with Stirling tomorrow. How easy is it to replace the encoder? I'm comfortable stripping down and replacing parts in machines, but I don't want to mess with the Vortex if it is sensitive or complex inside. Thanks, ynohtnA. -- Anthony Bowyer-Lowe <= The Essence Of Anthony. http://www.amudarya.demon.co.uk/ From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 23:52:49 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 11:57:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXXIq-0005ef-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:57:48 -0800 Message-ID: <34709412.1F08@infobiogen.fr> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:59:38 +0000 From: malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: Pasteur Lille X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Sick vortex References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"eyMVQ.A.3yD.X6Jc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1271 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:57:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 952f179b8d7289d772d425bac23b9e90 Oh, I know pretty well the problem, since when my brand new vortex, at the time flew from US to France, it arrived with the same problem. It is the encoder rotary pot in itself that is guilty. It becomes intermittent, and the factory preset are difficult to get, and especially to keep. The user one (if you dial through footswitches) are posing no problems. It is just the selection of programms through the encoder that is nuts. You "just" have to change the encoder. An iron, a little solder stuff, or ship it back to lexicon, if it still is cevired with warranty. Otherwise, try to find such an encoder. Those are the same used on reflex/alex/ maybe even jamdudes. Their are knowm to be sometimes faulty. Not often, just, it felt on us. That's life.... Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 23:52:56 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 12:39:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXXx3-0002Qw-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:39:21 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:52:16 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: The magic of Torn Resent-Message-ID: <"slaC2.A._EB.njKc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1276 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:39:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 8a10414bd064c3270ebe41ff86d13fb8 >Hi guys , I have a question about some of the sounds David Torn gets out of >his >equipment ( I know this is hard to answer , I`m just looking for ideas and >information). >And I hope this is not off-topic , but ; Torn makes these huge, lush , >organic and warm/ugly carpets of sound that lies way back in the mix and >sortof just envelopes the music. (I`m shure u know what I mean. If u dont, >listen to his cd "tripping over God". > >Is this done with volumepedal and reverb/delay?? if so , how can he make it >move and change throughout the loop?? how long do u think these loops are?? >5 secs or 90??? >I mean , I dont understand HOW he does it , but those things are the main >reason I`m out there searching for a looper.Which I can`t find BTW. Torn is a master, no doubt at all. I don't think there's any one technique that is his "secret weapon", he just knows his tools very well, and finds interesting uses for them. But every once in a while, I get a kind of "A-ha" (NOT the band) experience that gives me a clue into some of his techniques. I recently scored a classic Electro-Harmonix Memory Man ($75 at a pawn shop in Salem, OR). I've found one very Torn-like sound in it. Setting the delay time and feedback to the minimum, and the wet/dry mix to fully wet, the delay time knob acts as a kind of pitch control. his sounds very much like one of Torn's sounds, though I imagine he uses a PCM 42 with a foot pedal controlling the delay time. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 23:53:05 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 13:57:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXZAm-0002sZ-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:57:36 -0800 From: Anthony Bowyer-Lowe To: Looper's Delight Subject: Ooooops! Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:22:50 -0000 Message-ID: <01bcf396$938d82a0$LocalHost@amudarya> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ebNVvD.A.xoB.6tLc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1281 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:57:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 58861eada72145a6041e517782ac6f91 Sorry, people - the last post from me was 'sposed to go just to Greg @ Lexicon, not the list. My apologiesapologieapologiapologapoloapoloapolapoapa... ynohtnA. -- Anthony Bowyer-Lowe <= The Essence Of Anthony. http://www.amudarya.demon.co.uk/ From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 23:53:00 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 12:55:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXYD1-0004J9-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:55:51 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C29178661@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Sick Vortex. Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:24:03 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"wws8g.A.f9C.2zKc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1278 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:55:51 -0800 X-UIDL: fa62699aed2edcff36c5c89013fb9d6d Anthony asked: "How easy is it to replace the encoder? I'm comfortable stripping > down and replacing parts in machines, but I don't want to mess with > the Vortex if it is sensitive or complex inside." Dear Anthony, You need to take precautions against static when opening the machine up and while you have it opened. There is minor mechanical disassembly/assembly required and then the desoldering of 6 solder points to remove the old switch and then resoldering the new switch at those same 6 points. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +781-280-0372 email: ghogan@lexicon.com From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 23:53:02 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 13:26:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXYgj-0007J5-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:26:33 -0800 Subject: Re: Sick Vortex. Date: Mon, 17 Nov 97 13:15:54 -0800 x-sender: KurtR@mail.edmark.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Kurt Revis To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <19971117212032977.AAA190@[204.201.212.90]> Resent-Message-ID: <"4joCuB.A.w3F.HRLc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1279 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:26:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 27e48c126a7270502d017396348599d1 >How easy is it to replace the encoder? I'm comfortable stripping >down and replacing parts in machines, but I don't want to mess with >the Vortex if it is sensitive or complex inside. I just replaced the same encoder about a month ago, and didn't find it very difficult. The important thing seems to be to have a fairly high-powered soldering iron, in order to heat the existing encoder's contacts hot enough to be able to pull it out. Someone with better soldering/desoldering technique than me would have found it easier, of course. The encoder isn't too close to anything else on the board, so it's not too dangerous to mess with. Like I said, I think I have pretty poor soldering technique, but my replacement feels solid and works just fine. Good luck! From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 23:53:03 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 13:29:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXYj4-0007bM-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:28:58 -0800 Message-ID: <3470B61B.6592@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:24:43 -0500 From: jeff & mary duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The magic of Torn References: <3.0.32.19971117044922.006930a0@online.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0hPJ5D.A.6EG.PTLc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1280 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:28:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 602a6d2ea856fa2a3a5f87ad3074c7b0 hovard@online.no wrote: > > Hi guys , I have a question about some of the sounds David Torn gets out of > his > equipment ( I know this is hard to answer , I`m just looking for ideas and > information). > And I hope this is not off-topic , but ; Torn makes these huge, lush , > organic and warm/ugly carpets of sound that lies way back in the mix and > sortof just envelopes the music. (I`m shure u know what I mean. If u dont, > listen to his cd "tripping over God". > > Is this done with volumepedal and reverb/delay?? if so , how can he make it > move and change throughout the loop?? how long do u think these loops are?? > 5 secs or 90??? > I mean , I dont understand HOW he does it , but those things are the main > reason I`m out there searching for a looper.Which I can`t find BTW. > > I hope I haven`t annoyed you with my ignorance or started a debate which is > off-topic > (I have noticed that a lot of the postings are gear-related). > > Yours truly , Thomas Woehni > I was reading an old interveiw with Torn and he called it > >hypnodrones;> Well what I do is, I play guitar into a delay line, which > I > then process. Then play more into > > it and then I process more, and then play more into it, and then > process > more. And the > > opening sound, if you can hear it in "Time Bomb" ? it's a little bit > low, > is a drone, is a > > loop. All the background sounds in "Time Bomb," in "Diamond Mansions," > ? > that's a > > loop. The solo on "The Others" underneath things, I looped Chris B's > trumpet. In the end > > of "Brave Light of Sun," that is solo guitar. After the drums drop > out, and > there's about a > > minute and a half of sound ? that's solo guitar, with the drones. > Let's see > ? what doesn't > > have it? "Door X" is all loops. That's all it is [laughs]... It's > nothing > but guitar - it's like > > three tracks of guitar. > >also he has said that he improvises onto dat then puts it into a > computer to > make songs out of the bits!So its improvised then modified. > >I hope this helps a little.Have you checked out "The Torn Web" at > http://ott-outreach.engin.umich.edu/torn/ > >Jeff Duke > > From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 23:53:12 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 15:08:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXaHh-00027l-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:08:49 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: rodan.syr.edu: msottila owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:58:38 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Sottilaro X-Sender: msottila@rodan.syr.edu To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The magic of Torn In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19971117044922.006930a0@online.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"H6dNkD.A.KMB.pwMc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1282 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:08:49 -0800 X-UIDL: d5c86b94a4f7e5ce3614d02d11d10aa0 Hey, One of the ways that I create a Torn-esque soundscape is by using a volume pedel and a verity of effects (reverb, pitchshift with lots of feed back, and other time based effects) I use a lexicon JamMan to actualize the loop. After I layer it until I acheive a desired result, I stop adding and then play over the loop, often in a very minimal fashion, which can give the effect that the loop itself is changing. When I do actually want the loop to change, I open the loop for additional layering and then send a fade message (via midi) and begin adding new stuff. In this way I can totally transform my loop over time, basicly "morfing" my loop into a new loop. If you choose a long fade time this can be very sublle and beautiful. If you don't have a looping device, I more than recommend the JamMan in it a 32 second configuration for a cheep, down and dirty way of looping. The problem is that they're out of production and hard to find. If you've got some cash and patience, wait until they start producing the Oberheim Echoplex again. I hear that they are great. Mark Sottilaro. From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 23:53:21 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 17:39:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXcd0-0000uR-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:38:58 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: garcia.efn.org: fletk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:03:59 -0800 (PST) From: Ken Fletcher To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Hello and RE: DOD FX-98 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"26SpWB.A.MG.K-Oc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1283 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:38:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 76b9fc7306bff26238025d556e978f2b Hi everyone, my name is Ken Fletcher, and I've been lurking for over a week here and enjoying all the conversations. I'm more of a tape artist and audio collagist than a live-gig-type musician. I took some guitar lessons during the summer, and got to play with my teacher's Echoplex. What an experience! Right now my looping gear consists only of a Yamaha SU-10 sampler and an ART DXR Elite with a mere 2-second delay (with hold button). But that's better than what I was doing two years ago: using a dual cassette deck and constructing loops tediously with the dub, pause, and rewind buttons! That was also before I bought my 4-track, when I was using multiple cassette players joined with Y-connectors, feeding into a target recording deck. (Actually I was able to make some pretty cool pieces with that rather brute-force, primitive set-up.) Anyway, I'm really glad to have stumbled onto the Loopers web page and this mailing list! Two more items: 1) Does anyone here have experience doing tape loops on a single reel-to-reel recorder? I would be interested in any anecdotes or tips. Also, I'm curious about a two-deck setup I've heard of--something Brian Eno experimented with? 2) I was in a local music store (I live in Eugene) today and asked one of the clerks about the DOD FX-98. He let me play with a DFX-94 while he called his rep, and he found out that a) the rep was surprised anybody had heard of the 98 because it was still supposed to be a secret (right!), and b) the unit has not started production yet--it won't be on the market until January. When the music store guy pressed, the rep confirmed that it has an 8-second sampler/delay and that its SRP will be $119.95. He didn't know about a reverse-sample feature. I pass this on for whatever it's worth.... Loopingly, Ken Fletcher From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 23:53:30 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 20:43:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXfVN-0001i6-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:43:17 -0800 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:36:06 -0500 (EST) From: Drumworker@aol.com Message-ID: <971117233429_1469736285@mrin85.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JamMan $ Value? Resent-Message-ID: <"zk38iD.A.8BB.0tRc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1284 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:43:17 -0800 X-UIDL: 8be7ca84029b998ca0a09bee6c1b6253 What is the street value of 2nd hand, upgraded JamMans these days? I have a friend who is thinking of selling his and doesn't know what to ask for it. Thanks, Paul From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 23:53:32 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 20:55:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXfhF-0002tP-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:55:33 -0800 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 97 21:46:27 MST Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "Bret Moreland" Subject: re:Hello and RE: DOD FX-98 X-Incognito-SN: 368 X-Incognito-Version: 4.10.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"iW_4pB.A.nDC.23Rc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1285 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:55:33 -0800 X-UIDL: dc67b38f65f1a466268d6f01069534e6 Ken wrote: Hi everyone, my name is Ken Fletcher, and I've been lurking for over a week here and enjoying all the conversations. I'm more of a tape artist and audio collagist than a live-gig-type musician. -------- Welcome Ken. Audio collagist, I like that phrase. I never heard it put so succinctly. I do this also, but never realized how to describe it. Sorry I can't give you advice about the single tape machine loop. The 2 deck looping arrangement you describe I can describe. The tape goes from machine 1 - supply reel, through the entry tape guides, across the heads (erase, record, & playback), through the exit tape guides across the room to machine 2 which is aligned to allow the tape to go across the tape entry guides, across the heads, through the exit tape guides to the take-up reel. Support the spanning tape with pencils (held horizontally), coat hangers or whatever else you can find around the house (that isn't magnetic). The tape feeds from machine 1 to machine 2, distance provides the loop (via delay and regen) length. The loop quality degrades as regenerated, the feedback to machine 1 can be controlled with volume pedal to allow fading out old loop. Machine 1 records, machine 2 playback. Feed some of the playback from machine 2 to input of machine 1, mixed with your input to machine 1. Thus you get a long loop, and regeneration of input to machine 1. You probably want to mix some of the input to machine 1 to your monitor so you can hear it as it occurs (not just delayed). Thanks to modern inventions like the plex and jamman (and to their brilliant creators!), we don't have to struggle with the above Rube Goldberg methods to get looped. regards, bret From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 23:53:35 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 21:56:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXgeT-00004m-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:56:45 -0800 From: "Jesse Kudler" To: Subject: Re: JamMan $ Value? Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 00:54:43 -0500 Message-ID: <01bcf3e6$779df700$224c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"9WT6kD.A.p-G.SzSc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1286 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:56:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 0c20ac3ce0bd8710a45701f094010ed6 I paid about $250, I think. -Jesse -----Original Message----- From: Drumworker@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, November 17, 1997 11:46 PM Subject: JamMan $ Value? >What is the street value of 2nd hand, upgraded JamMans these days? >I have a friend who is thinking of selling his and doesn't know what to ask >for it. > >Thanks, >Paul > > From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 23:53:43 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 22:16:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXgxO-0001L0-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:16:18 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: garcia.efn.org: fletk owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:14:21 -0800 (PST) From: Ken Fletcher To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: re:Hello and RE: DOD FX-98 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"739zLC.A.J4.XGTc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1287 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:16:18 -0800 X-UIDL: b52f57c12f00e40b804e86cbde021093 On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, Bret Moreland wrote: :::Welcome Ken. Audio collagist, I like that phrase. I never heard it put :::so succinctly. I do this also, but never realized how to describe it. I was a paper collagist before getting into audio-play, so for me it was a natural term. It's also great because the term is so evocative and versatile: it "labels" you without limiting you! And it's intriguing. It gets people's attention and piques their interest. Of course, when they actually HEAR your stuff they might wrinkle their noses and think of OTHER terms! :) (This has happened to me...with dear friends who were somewhat at a loss to know how to react to my stuff...without hurting my feelings, so now I try to gauge a potential listener/victim's tolerance/appetite for "experimental" sounds before handing them a tape or pressing the play button!) :::Sorry I can't give you advice about the single tape machine loop. ::: :::The 2 deck looping arrangement you describe I can describe. The tape goes Thanks, Bret, for the great 2-deck-tape-loop instructions! Now I regret passing on a recent local classified ad that listed the same exact R2R deck I have (Teac A1250), in new condition for $150. I coulda been long-looping quickly and cheaply already. Ah, well, I should probably save my money for one of these fancy digital machines. On single-deck looping, I have tried simply mounting a short loop of tape through both reels and the play/record head, using (in this case) a bent goose-neck desk-top mic stand to keep the tape from drooping. It works as a static infinite loop: basically just a simple looped sample. But the tape quickly wears out, especially at the splice point. And I've wondered if this technique is harmful to the machine because of the very light load on the transport system (one reel spins very fast, and I wasn't sure if that was good for the machine over time). (The point I had previously not understood about the two-deck system is that there is no actual >tape< loop--the loop is achieved electronically and via the two heads. Now I get it!) And actually, my SU-10 does simple (up to four simultaneous and different-length) loops so well I don't even know why I'm thinking about one-deck tape looping! It's a real-time, dynamic looping environment that I'm wanting to explore, with two tape decks or with JamMan, Echoplex, FX-98, or whatever I can get ahold of. My ART DXR, with its 2-sec delay has given me a pretty good taste of that kind of looping: now I want more!! Thanks again Bret! -Ken Fletcher From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 10:13:10 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 00:40:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXjCn-0001LF-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 00:40:21 -0800 Message-ID: <34715FFB.31B2@infobiogen.fr> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:30:22 +0000 From: malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: Pasteur Lille X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Sick vortex References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZPvhZB.A.F4.LNVc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1288 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 00:40:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 092d0a5cba176b31c44031e7008966dd Oh, I know pretty well the problem, since when my brand new vortex, at the time flew from US to France, it arrived with the same problem. It is the encoder rotary pot in itself that is guilty. It becomes intermittent, and the factory preset are difficult to get, and especially to keep. The user one (if you dial through footswitches) are posing no problems. It is just the selection of programms through the encoder that is nuts. You "just" have to change the encoder. An iron, a little solder stuff, or ship it back to lexicon, if it still is cevired with warranty. Otherwise, try to find such an encoder. Those are the same used on reflex/alex/ maybe even jamdudes. Their are knowm to be sometimes faulty. Not often, just, it felt on us. That's life.... Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 10:13:12 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 03:45:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXm5n-00000l-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 03:45:19 -0800 Message-ID: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820E5C66@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> From: Haible Juergen To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: tape loops (was: Hello and RE: DOD FX-98) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:39:28 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"7EztSD.A.HAH.95Xc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1289 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 03:45:19 -0800 X-UIDL: 08ed5535382559ba88b6d4690538f70e >On single-deck looping, I have tried simply mounting a short loop of tape >through both reels and the play/record head, using (in this case) a bent >goose-neck desk-top mic stand to keep the tape from drooping. It works as >a static infinite loop: basically just a simple looped sample. But the >tape quickly wears out, especially at the splice point. And I've wondered >if this technique is harmful to the machine because of the very light load >on the transport system (one reel spins very fast, and I wasn't sure if >that was good for the machine over time). I think I should build a switch into my Roland RE-201 Space to disable the HF oscillator that feeds the earease head. The RE-201 is a tape echo with a tape loop of a few meters. It's intended to produce short echoes with a distance of a few centimeters between record and playback heads; the long loop is just to prevent the tape from wearing out too soon. Which makes me think of several modifications: (1) disable the earease head. Would add new sound to old sound (after the _long_ delay of the whole tape length), but no idea to which amount, compared with previous recordings. (?) (2) probably it would be an improovement to make the hf current thru the erease head _variable_, and fade previously stored signals out by partially deleting it. (Again, no idea what this would do to frequency response or distortion of a partly ereased signal ... any clues ?) (3) Now this would be a tough one (and I think I would not dare to do this to my "mint condition vintage space echo" (;->) ): Exchange the location of the heads: (a) original order: tape comes from storage box, passes erease head, passes recording head, passes several playback heads, dissapears into storage box. (b) suggested new order: tape comes from storage box, passes playback head and (plays what has been rcorded half a minute before) passes erease head, passes recording head, passes remaining playback heads (still usable for normal echo operation, only with one tap less than before) dissapears into storage box. This last one looks *very* tempting ! The feedback would then be established electronically, with all its accuracy and possibillities. (I love to put my latest toy, a frequency shifter, into a delay's feedback loop !). Please tell me what you think. Things like that must have been done before! Especially (3) would be interesting. Anybody to share his experience ? JH. From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 10:13:41 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 09:26:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXrPy-0006O4-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:26:30 -0800 Message-ID: <3471879E.3420@nyfac.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:18:38 +0000 From: nyfac2 Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: speaking of tape based delay... References: <97Nov18.105121cst.26881@gateway.gibson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0B_ItC.A.frE.yzcc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1294 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:26:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 8fb1ed4a63e1795a8afa3bde9ed68281 Anybody try out the Matchless delay unit? I saw a picture of it the other day, and it looks like a closed unit (so no tinkering with the tape head), but if it is like the rest of the Matchless stuff, it should be outrageously expensive and very nice sounding. Trevor From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:10:59 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 19:01:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xY0Ns-0005Dk-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:00:56 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971118082827.006ab29c@pop.flash.net> X-Sender: jbstudio@pop.flash.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 08:28:27 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: John Michael Beard Subject: Re: da' 10 joints In-Reply-To: <199711182226.RAA01809@esinet1.esinet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"7fFZIB.A.gJE.uSlc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1331 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:00:56 -0800 X-UIDL: eb5a7aff77d613fcb9a1a3b9b20c8f5b I usually load up the player with a lot of disks, more or less at random. [I have a cheap 25-disk changer] Here's the first 10 from this week's load: 1.Future Sound Of London: Lifeforms 2.Art Of Noise: Drum And Bass Collection 3.The Heavenly Music Corporation 4.Meat Beat Manifesto: Storm The Studio 5.William Orbit: Strange Cargo 6.Robert Fripp: A Blessing Of Tears 7.Mindbender 8.Brian Eno: Thursday Afternoon 9.Live: Throwing Copper 10.Stereolab: Transient Random-noise Bursts With Announcements John Beard www.flash.net/~jbstudio From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:10:13 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 13:47:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXvUi-0002Fp-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:47:40 -0800 Message-Id: <199711182054.MAA15432@scv3.apple.com> Subject: Current Listening, Looping Process Date: Tue, 18 Nov 97 14:58:19 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"489r3C.A.ox.Bngc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1310 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:47:40 -0800 X-UIDL: 01cb40d0e2b25a4e7cce46a175dc8ca0 Lori Carson--Everything I Touch Runs Wild Golden Palominos--Dead Inside Marillion--Fugazi Portishead--Portishead E--Broken Toy Shop Tony Geballe--(can't remember the title, it's his only CD) Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:09:58 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 12:12:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXu0H-00008R-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:12:09 -0800 Message-ID: <3471AE46.4D2@nyfac.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:03:34 +0000 From: nyfac2 Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: On being complete nerds References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JUNElD.A.sKG.bOfc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1301 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:12:09 -0800 X-UIDL: ee4622538c726d420d71ecf05bf5fa6f > Miles Davis - 4+More (miles, george coleman, ron carter, herbie hancock, > tony williams, tony was only 18, and it just rips....) George Coleman? Any relation to Ornette? My top ten heaviest rotated discs of the week: 1) Shiner 'Lula Divinia'- absolutely unbelievable. Just saw them play last week, and was one of the top twenty best shows I have ever had the pleasure of attending. Part math rock, part DC artcore, literate and sharp. 2)Beekeeper 'Anywhere Will Do' Brooklyn locals. Also fairly mathy, guitar reminiscent of Marc Ribot. 3)Malarkies '1' More brooklyn locals, also fairly mathy, also fantastic. Both of these bands are part of this Brooklyn scene that seems to developing into something very, very cool. If any of you guys live around here, you should definatelt check either of these guys out. 4)Throwing Muses 'University' Bought this record when it came out afew years ago, was really dissapointed with it until recently. It's not Hunkpapa, Red Heaven, or House Tornado, but what are you going to do? 5)Idaho 'The Forbidden EP' Solid follow-up to 'Three sheets to the wind'. The bass player and drummer got the boot, and their presense is missed, but Jeff Martin is in fine form and Dan Seta is, quite frankly, the shit. 6)Jawbox 'Jawbox' Their swan song. One of the best bands ever to have come out of the DC scene. Buy this CD, and listen to it constantly. I have been, and I feel much better now. 7)-10) I haven't been changed the cds yet today. TBA From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 10:13:24 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 07:48:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXpsm-0005OD-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:48:08 -0800 Message-Id: <199711181531.HAA00186@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: Hello and RE: DOD FX-98 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:41:50 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"L01HnB.A.PXE.Gbbc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1290 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:48:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 1ee5d508b1e3f189bc15c34a6c547751 > From: Ken Fletcher > 2) I was in a local music store (I live in Eugene) today and asked one of > the clerks about the DOD FX-98. He let me play with a DFX-94 while he > called his rep, and he found out that a) the rep was surprised anybody had > heard of the 98 because it was still supposed to be a secret (right!), and > b) the unit has not started production yet--it won't be on the market > until January. When the music store guy pressed, the rep confirmed that > it has an 8-second sampler/delay and that its SRP will be $119.95. He > didn't know about a reverse-sample feature. I pass this on for whatever > it's worth.... What? This I don't understand. How many of us have seen the FX-98 in Musician's Friend...or was it American Music Supply? Five? Ten? I never thought I'd be on the "inside loop" just because I get a mail order catalog!! Why is this bothering me? I don't know..... Matt From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 10:13:37 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 09:01:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXr23-0003h7-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:01:47 -0800 Message-Id: <97Nov18.105121cst.26881@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:50:52 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re: Hello and RE: DOD FX-98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"QGVywC.A._WC.Ydcc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1292 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:01:47 -0800 X-UIDL: 4bfcb75c1a890c7dfa1d904a5542ffec The FX-98 may very well be in catalogs now and not available until January. The lead times necessary to produce a catalog the size of Musician's Friend or AMS is long. Any manufacturer who wishes to be included must have materials to the catalog company well in advance. If DOD expectes to launch the FX-98 at the Winter NAMM in January (I'm guessing about that), it makes perfect sense to appear in catalogs that are hitting the street now in order to take advantage of the Christmas buying fervor and to create advance interest (which they are certainly doing). Has anyone actually taken posession of this pedal yet? Tom "It Won't Be Long Now" Spaulding @ Oberheim At 09:41 AM 11/18/97 -0600, you wrote: >> From: Ken Fletcher > >> 2) I was in a local music store (I live in Eugene) today and asked one of >> the clerks about the DOD FX-98. He let me play with a DFX-94 while he >> called his rep, and he found out that a) the rep was surprised anybody >had >> heard of the 98 because it was still supposed to be a secret (right!), >and >> b) the unit has not started production yet--it won't be on the market >> until January. When the music store guy pressed, the rep confirmed that >> it has an 8-second sampler/delay and that its SRP will be $119.95. He >> didn't know about a reverse-sample feature. I pass this on for whatever >> it's worth.... > >What? This I don't understand. How many of us have seen the FX-98 in >Musician's Friend...or was it American Music Supply? Five? Ten? I never >thought I'd be on the "inside loop" just because I get a mail order >catalog!! Why is this bothering me? I don't know..... > >Matt > > > From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 10:13:41 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 09:22:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXrLO-0005pS-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:21:47 -0800 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:09:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711181709.MAA27343@cliff.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Hello and RE: DOD FX-98 Resent-Message-ID: <"92zbVB.A.zQE.lvcc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1293 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:21:47 -0800 X-UIDL: 2ede004d774dda22a52caeef8771372f At 07:41 AM 11/18/97 -0800, you wrote: >> From: Ken Fletcher > >> 2) I was in a local music store (I live in Eugene) today and asked one of >> the clerks about the DOD FX-98. He let me play with a DFX-94 while he >> called his rep, and he found out that a) the rep was surprised anybody >had >> heard of the 98 because it was still supposed to be a secret (right!), >and >> b) the unit has not started production yet--it won't be on the market >> until January. When the music store guy pressed, the rep confirmed that >> it has an 8-second sampler/delay and that its SRP will be $119.95. He >> didn't know about a reverse-sample feature. I pass this on for whatever >> it's worth.... > >What? This I don't understand. How many of us have seen the FX-98 in >Musician's Friend...or was it American Music Supply? Five? Ten? I never >thought I'd be on the "inside loop" just because I get a mail order >catalog!! Why is this bothering me? I don't know..... > >Matt > > > It would not be the first time that either company had something in their catalog that was not yet in existence (or many other non-music mail order palces as well) They need to anticipate the lag time between catalogs as well as the vagaries of bulk mail. Like I posted before, when I talked to DOD before getting my '94, he said " maybe the end of the year". Then aganin if AMS said two weeks, I'd order one and see what happens. Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:10:17 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 14:37:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXwGP-0007XD-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:36:57 -0800 Message-Id: <199711182226.RAA01809@esinet1.esinet.net> Subject: da' 10 joints Date: Tue, 18 Nov 97 17:28:49 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Duncan To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"FoseeC.A.9-F.QYhc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1314 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:36:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 11dacf149e57a74c1eb8a33409b3c102 1. DJ Electrolux: "Roswell Was Real" 2. Rabbit in the Moon: "Orisha" 3. OHM: "Tribal Tone" 4. Fade: "Separation" 5. Sam Cooke with the Soul Stirrers: "Must Jesus Bear This Cross Alone" 6. Enviornmental Science: "Stand By Your Droid" 7. CJ Bolland: "Camargue" (Original Mix) 8. Daydream: "The Hunter" 9. Winx: "How's The Music" (Original Philly Mix) 10. The African Dream: "All In The Same Family" 11. SEM: "U.5" 12. White Label "MIDI Express Remixed" 13. Altern 8: "Evopor-8" (Just 4 Gamma Remix) Duncan From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 10:13:46 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 09:52:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXroe-0001Y4-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:52:00 -0800 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:36:42 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Stagner To: djdowling@earthlink.net cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, dstagner@icarus.leepfrog.com Subject: Re:becoming a small, mobile, intelligent unit In-Reply-To: <346F5BBC.2E4E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"RtKUiC.A.RL.CMdc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1296 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:52:00 -0800 X-UIDL: a6db1a34663d7f430e795ad2e6681a91 On Sun, 16 Nov 1997 djdowling@earthlink.net wrote: > For those who care to read no further, the subject is : playing guitar > and guitar synth without conventional amplifiers etc. I'll just keep that warning... > Desired outcomes: to play guitar with multiple effects, looping > capability and guitar synth without 500 pedals and 8 speakers and an > amp. > What it seems that I need: > A cool effect processor (with excellent distortion, etc.) > Some kind of SansAmp device (does such a device make a separate > distortion unnecessary?) > Speakers that are guitar and guit synth friendly > Echoplex (or jman etc) > Gr-30 (this I have) > > What is a hypothetical set up for my needs? > What does the signal path look like? First, break the problem up into smaller problems... tone sources (guitar, synth), effects, looping devices, routing, and amplification. Now, what are the needs for each sub-problem? It appears you have two different tone sources... the guitar, and the synth. For the guitar, I assume you want standard electric guitar tones, clean and distorted, with good dynamics. The classic electric guitar sound comes from a tube amp and a guitar-oriented speaker. No preamp device, no matter how clever, can give you quite that tone. However, you CAN get close enough for rock'n'roll. Your playing is probably limited to the guitar with the synth pickups, right? Find a preamp that sounds good with THAT, and your personal playing style. This sort of thing is very sensitive to picking technique, tunings, and all sorts of personal subtleties. I think the SansAmps do a damn good job at replicating raw amp tones, but again, it's what works for YOU that counts. Another idea is to add a line-out circuit to a regular guitar amp, as was discussed here recently. Ultimately, you want a line-level output of your raw, unprocessed guitar tone, with a sound that is satisfactory to you. Preferably, it shouldn't make noise on its own (as a guitar amp and a microphone will). As for the synth, I assume you DON'T want that passed through a guitar amp simulator, which will change its sound. The synth itself should already provide nice line-level outputs. Okay, now we have two separate line-level tone sources. Where do they go? You may want separate effects chains for each tone source, or you may want them to share effects. Ultimately, you'll probably loop both of them, and want them to share looping devices. Either way, you'll need a mixer of some sort. This can be as simple or as complicated as you like. Several companies sell small, inexpensive mixers with very flexible routing and good sonics. Some of these can even be rack-mounted. You can put different effects into the effects sends and inputs of the mixer, and build very flexible chains of effects and looping. A mixer is almost an instrument itself! As for effects and loopers... just get whatever you like, and can afford! Ultimately, the mixer should produce a stereo output... again, I'm assuming you want stereo. Things can be mixed to mono, of course, and if you want more than two channels of sound, that's a whole other ball of wax. From the stereo line mix, you run your amplifiers. Again, I'm assuming you don't want your synths treated like guitar signal. Therefore, you want something clean and hi-fi. A high-quality stereo amplifier and speakers are essential here. Consider the listening environment... is this for home use, or live performance? PA speakers generally sacrifice accuracy for volume. For home use, use good studio monitors. For live performance, you might want to use your own monitors, and run an additional line out to a regular PA. Finally... do NOT let this get too complicated! If it's a pain to use, it'll interfere with your playing. > How do I become (as Fripp would have it) a small, mobile and intelligent > unit? (I understand that only I can account for intelligence...but you > can help me to be informed.) Small and mobile? Keep your performance tools as self-contained and independent as possible. If you are mobile, this means reducing setup and teardown times, and insuring reliability as well. Intelligent? To me, that means understanding WHY you choose to do things the way you do. Although I wasn't thinking with Fripp in mind, I made conscious decisions toward smallness for my new band. Guitars must be acoustic, and drums must not be a standard trap kit (we're using congas and bodhran for now). Sticking to acoustic guitar keeps me from falling back on the ease of playing and stock sound sthat electric guitar brings. The same goes for the drums... without snare, kick, and hi-hat, we have to think differently to achieve standard rhythms. On top of this, it makes playing setup very easy, and practice sessions are at very reasonable volumes. Eventually, I'll start looping the acoustic guitar, but even then, I can't play louder than the limits of the congas. These self-imposed limits of smallness force creativity and enhance the performing environment. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:09:50 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 11:39:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXtUy-0004dD-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:39:48 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:27:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: On being complete nerds Resent-Message-ID: <"7SdFuB.A.1SD.Lyec0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1298 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:39:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 8d025a4c49f245ef1a9ec04853fe94c6 once again, Looper's Delight is pushing the geek-o-meter way into the red. Now I certainly deserve some of the blame, but even I reach my limits with endless babbling about this and that feature about whatever the latest gadget is. Now I know you're all capable of much more enlightened conversation, so let's have it! 1. How about this: What are the approaches you take improvisationally / compositionally in creating and building a loop? Is there a structure to it all? And leave the gear specifics out! 2. Top 10 lists are lame, I know. But I am really fascinated by the way this list brings together people with quite different musical backgrounds and styles. We're using similar techniques to create totally different kinds of music. Rather than babbling about which delay pedal we use, I'd like to hear more about the diversity of styles and interests that we are all pursuing. I think there is a lot to learn from people doing things that are different from what we do, yet somehow still similar; it opens up new ideas to bring back to our own music. One cheap and easy way to get a picture of musical interests is current listening habits, so toss in a list of the cds/tapes/tracks, whatever that you're listening to! For me, the stuff I'm listening to is always the stuff I've recently bought, because my attention span is only a few seconds long and I get bored with stuff very fast. A few things will hang around longer, that usually means I really like it. Anyway, in no order, here's some interesting music I've listened to lately, with no commentary since I don't have that much time: Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst Paul D. Miller - Viral Sonata (that's the guy who's aka dj spooky doing an ambient album) Meat Beat Manifesto - subliminal sandwich dj krush - Meiso Grooverider Presents: The Prototype Years Photek - Modus Operandi Metalheadz - Platinum Breakz Squarepusher - hard normal daddy dj dara - rinsimus maximus Mr. Bungle - Disco Volante voivod - nothing face Miles Davis - 4+More (miles, george coleman, ron carter, herbie hancock, tony williams, tony was only 18, and it just rips....) suicidal tendancies - the art of rebellion (good punk metal nostalgia kick...) Tom Rupolo - Loop 7 (tom is just a guy on the list who sent me a tape, nice loungy trip-hop something, dripping with fender rhodes...) anyway, comment freely.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 10:13:34 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 08:39:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXqgt-0001Tq-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 08:39:55 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19971118112949.320f73f0@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> X-Sender: km15@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (16) -- [Cornell Modified] Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:29:49 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kevin Miller Subject: Multivox In-Reply-To: <199711181531.HAA00186@gw1.bi-tech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"KzVJKD.A.8f.6Jcc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1291 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 08:39:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 4a2177d95ba30f1976789a5cc0db64c3 I don't recall anyone on the list ever mentioning the Multivox. It was manufactured in the '70s, I believe, and it was a tape delay device. There was actually quite a substantial length of tape crammed into a box that was roughly shoebox-size (maybe EEE hiking boots) and the delay time was on the order of 30 seconds or so. Though it was sound-on-sound, I'm not sure you could adjust the regen.- the echoes were quieter, but what echoes! If one were to play some fancy little descending lick, the echo would be slightly smeared and produce something quite ethereal. I think it would be difficult to use this as one's main looper unless I'm remembering wrong and the regeneration could be cranked up, but to produce an ambient carpet of changing sounds, it would be a nice addition to a looperister's rig. Does anyone use this box, or even remember such a thing? Just curious... Kevin From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 10:54:28 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 10:51:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXskD-0007Mj-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:51:29 -0800 Message-ID: <3471ED5D.2883@infobiogen.fr> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:34:04 +0000 From: malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: Pasteur Lille X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: sick vortex References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lpGohC.A.hwF.rCec0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1297 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:51:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 999781bd80beeea03058899585b6002f Oh, I know pretty well the problem, since when my brand new vortex, at the time flew from US to France, it arrived with the same problem. It is the encoder rotary pot in itself that is guilty. It becomes intermittent, and the factory preset are difficult to get, and especially to keep. The user one (if you dial through footswitches) are posing no problems. It is just the selection of programms through the encoder that is nuts. You "just" have to change the encoder. An iron, a little solder stuff, or ship it back to lexicon, if it still is cevired with warranty. Otherwise, try to find such an encoder. Those are the same used on reflex/alex/ maybe even jamdudes. Their are knowm to be sometimes faulty. Not often, just, it felt on us. That's life.... Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:09:51 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 11:55:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXtkY-0006EM-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:55:54 -0800 Message-ID: <41DE695CE6FCCF11AD1000805FCCF8EC56BA74@sf-01-msg.dns.microsoft.com> From: Tom Attix To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: On being complete nerds Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:46:47 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Resent-Message-ID: <"tQcsg.A.I2E.UBfc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1299 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:55:54 -0800 X-UIDL: cb05d54f2734d140560f218abf25496e You know, if you put a little piece of green tape over the red part of your geek-o-meter, everything will be just fine! > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@annihilist.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 1997 11:39 AM > To: Tom Attix > Subject: On being complete nerds > > once again, Looper's Delight is pushing the geek-o-meter way into the red. > Now I certainly deserve some of the blame, but even I reach my limits with > endless babbling about this and that feature about whatever the latest > gadget is. Now I know you're all capable of much more enlightened > conversation, so let's have it! > > 1. How about this: What are the approaches you take improvisationally / > compositionally in creating and building a loop? Is there a structure to > it > all? And leave the gear specifics out! > > > 2. Top 10 lists are lame, I know. But I am really fascinated by the way > this list brings together people with quite different musical backgrounds > and styles. We're using similar techniques to create totally different > kinds of music. Rather than babbling about which delay pedal we use, I'd > like to hear more about the diversity of styles and interests that we are > all pursuing. I think there is a lot to learn from people doing things > that > are different from what we do, yet somehow still similar; it opens up new > ideas to bring back to our own music. One cheap and easy way to get a > picture of musical interests is current listening habits, so toss in a > list > of the cds/tapes/tracks, whatever that you're listening to! For me, the > stuff I'm listening to is always the stuff I've recently bought, because > my > attention span is only a few seconds long and I get bored with stuff very > fast. A few things will hang around longer, that usually means I really > like it. Anyway, in no order, here's some interesting music I've listened > to lately, with no commentary since I don't have that much time: > > Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst > Paul D. Miller - Viral Sonata (that's the guy who's aka dj spooky doing > an > ambient album) > Meat Beat Manifesto - subliminal sandwich > dj krush - Meiso > Grooverider Presents: The Prototype Years > Photek - Modus Operandi > Metalheadz - Platinum Breakz > Squarepusher - hard normal daddy > dj dara - rinsimus maximus > Mr. Bungle - Disco Volante > voivod - nothing face > Miles Davis - 4+More (miles, george coleman, ron carter, herbie hancock, > tony williams, tony was only 18, and it just rips....) > suicidal tendancies - the art of rebellion (good punk metal nostalgia > kick...) > Tom Rupolo - Loop 7 (tom is just a guy on the list who sent me a tape, > nice loungy trip-hop something, dripping with fender rhodes...) > > anyway, comment freely.... > > > kim > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:09:52 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 12:01:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXtpw-0006oW-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:01:28 -0800 Message-Id: <199711181943.LAA06831@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: On being complete nerds Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:53:41 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cRyCWD.A.JcF.IHfc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1300 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:01:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 036fe7cb426742a9b4aeeef5d14dee4a > From: Kim Flint > 2. Top 10 lists are lame, I know. But I am really fascinated by the way Top 10 lists are lame....but....I'm bored at work. Do I have to list 10? Are we going to be graded on this? 1: Andy Summers -- The Last Dance of Mr. X 2: The Fixx -- Happy Landings (their new EP) 3: U2 -- Pop 4: Black Light Syndrome (Steve Stevens, Terry Bozzio, and Tony Levin) 5: Mild Seven -- various songs in progress (okay...I cheated...it's my band....but I listen to our half-song fragments more than anything else right now) 6-10: TBA Matt From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:09:59 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 12:22:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXu9u-0001B9-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:22:06 -0800 Message-Id: <97Nov18.141124cst.26889@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:10:58 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re: On being complete nerds Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"fFsMD.A.UUH.BZfc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1302 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:22:06 -0800 X-UIDL: 2a0cf93e116e034b95ecb571bc80f032 A moratorium on gear talk is fine by me, since I don't own any type of looping device whatsoever! I do play and listen to music though, and just in case all you have been listening to is loop-derived artists, this list should juxtapose nicely: Duke Levine- Lava ( extremely tasty guitarist:Steve Cropper meets Albert Lee at Jeff Beck's garage) The Essential Ray Price (it is and he is) Daniel Cartier - Avenue A (NY pop, gritty and analog) Talk Talk- Laughing Stock (cool guitar tones and arrangements) Les Paul- The Legend and the Legacy Box Set (Hear how it all started, including some demos) Kim Richey - Bittersweet (The best thing going in Nashville) Miles Davis - Kind of Blue (finally in tune and bonus track) Chet Atkins - Teensville (Recorded in 1959 when guitars had Tone and echoes were analog...)BTW Chet has an EDP The Everly Brothers- Walk Right Back: The Warner Years (Who has done it any better?) Emmy Lou Harris - Wrecking Ball (Lanois-produced ambient-country) Darden Smith - Deep Fantastic Blue (it all starts with a song) Tom From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:10:00 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 12:32:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXuJa-0002I0-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:32:06 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCF435.C2085020@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: FW: On being complete nerds Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:22:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Pdr9LD.A.oDB.Pjfc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1303 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:32:06 -0800 X-UIDL: b695f4cda2231ca3a72b2c99e355339a Looping Technique When my loops start sounding the same, I turn the wet/dry mix control to full dry. Then I play very sparsely for a minute or two. Then I stop recording, unplug my guitar, turn the mix control up just enough so that it's barely audible and go upstairs, closing the basement door behind me. Then I try to forget what I played and ignore the sound coming from my rig. The floor and door filter out the highs and force me to mentally fill in what I can't hear. I let this go on for a few hours, especially if my kids and wife don't complain. It usually gives me some new ideas. Top 10 List 1. The Police (live) 2. Paul Motian Trio (live in Japan) 3. Duran Duran's Greatest Hits (don't laugh) 4. Suicide 5. The Planet Radio Station in Detroit - I haven't listened to commercial radio (except for the news) since 1990. This station plays alternative rock from the 90s and 80s. I find it very strange and empty. Especially considering that my usual points of reference are Derek Bailey, Fred Frith, David Torn, Crimson, etc. But, it's fun to listen to, anyway. 6. Larry Young (Hammond organ trio recorded in 1961) Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ---------- From: Kim Flint[SMTP:kflint@annihilist.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 1997 2:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: On being complete nerds once again, Looper's Delight is pushing the geek-o-meter way into the red. Now I certainly deserve some of the blame, but even I reach my limits with endless babbling about this and that feature about whatever the latest gadget is. Now I know you're all capable of much more enlightened conversation, so let's have it! 1. How about this: What are the approaches you take improvisationally / compositionally in creating and building a loop? Is there a structure to it all? And leave the gear specifics out! 2. Top 10 lists are lame, I know. But I am really fascinated by the way this list brings together people with quite different musical backgrounds and styles. We're using similar techniques to create totally different kinds of music. Rather than babbling about which delay pedal we use, I'd like to hear more about the diversity of styles and interests that we are all pursuing. I think there is a lot to learn from people doing things that are different from what we do, yet somehow still similar; it opens up new ideas to bring back to our own music. One cheap and easy way to get a picture of musical interests is current listening habits, so toss in a list of the cds/tapes/tracks, whatever that you're listening to! For me, the stuff I'm listening to is always the stuff I've recently bought, because my attention span is only a few seconds long and I get bored with stuff very fast. A few things will hang around longer, that usually means I really like it. Anyway, in no order, here's some interesting music I've listened to lately, with no commentary since I don't have that much time: Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst Paul D. Miller - Viral Sonata (that's the guy who's aka dj spooky doing an ambient album) Meat Beat Manifesto - subliminal sandwich dj krush - Meiso Grooverider Presents: The Prototype Years Photek - Modus Operandi Metalheadz - Platinum Breakz Squarepusher - hard normal daddy dj dara - rinsimus maximus Mr. Bungle - Disco Volante voivod - nothing face Miles Davis - 4+More (miles, george coleman, ron carter, herbie hancock, tony williams, tony was only 18, and it just rips....) suicidal tendancies - the art of rebellion (good punk metal nostalgia kick...) Tom Rupolo - Loop 7 (tom is just a guy on the list who sent me a tape, nice loungy trip-hop something, dripping with fender rhodes...) anyway, comment freely.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:10:01 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 12:35:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXuMT-0002ap-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:35:05 -0800 From: "Siobhan Canty" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Top ten list Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:24:37 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20242709900630@cfpa.org> Resent-Message-ID: <"DEU6CB.A.YVB.4lfc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1304 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:35:05 -0800 X-UIDL: 7a8442b08a6691c0fbf6cb34e2e4d6f0 In general, I tend to go through artists rather than specific pieces or albums. So here's a list of some I have been listening to in the last week: Arvo Part Annonymous Four (four women doing a hell of a job reviving medeival vocal music - check out the English Lady Mass) Jeff Buckley Jeremy Enigk Miriam Makeba Sarah Vaughn (as always) Cafe Tacuba Fugazi* The Make*Up Mail Order Bride* (*these three bands are my favorite DC-based groups...all of them have websites so check'm out!!) And one more specific piece: Carmina Burana by Carl Orff, the lyrics are great and the drive of this piece is compelling. I went through a phase with this one years back and just picked it up again this week - worth listening to again!! This list makes me realize I need to go on a shopping spree... From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:10:05 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 12:52:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXudV-0004Te-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:52:41 -0800 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:37:38 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers Delight Subject: Re: Top ten list In-Reply-To: <20242709900630@cfpa.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"WZAg0D.A.rBD.a1fc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1305 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:52:41 -0800 X-UIDL: cca6d74839d74fc94f68400090c14375 In no particular order... Rush, "Moving Pictures" (we're covering Tom Sawyer on acoustic guitar and congas...) Roger Miller, "Maximum Electric Piano" Richard Thompson, "Watching the Dark" (boxed set) Steve Tibbetts, "Exploded View" Fairport Convention, "Liege and Leaf" World Cafe (syndicated music radio on NPR) Marc Ribot, "Rootless Cosmopolitans" Lou Reed and John Cale, "Songs for Drella" Mostly, though, I'm just playing acoustic guitar by myself, like usual. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:10:04 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 12:52:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXudG-0004SU-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:52:26 -0800 Message-Id: <23525.199711182039@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:39:59 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD) Subject: Re: On being complete nerds Resent-Message-ID: <"Gz8SFC.A.eDD.l1fc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1306 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:52:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 1601cdc013ff21adda01752ce670d5e3 >1. How about this: What are the approaches you take improvisationally / >compositionally in creating and building a loop? Is there a structure to it >all? And leave the gear specifics out! Jeez, if you don't want people to talk about loopers you SHOULDN'T GO AROUND MAKING THEM! Ha! >2. Top 10 lists are lame, I know. One cheap and easy way to get a >picture of musical interests is current listening habits, so toss in a list >of the cds/tapes/tracks, whatever that you're listening to! 1. Mike Oldfield: Tubular Bells II 2. Bill Frizell: Before We Were Born 3. Durutti Column: Sex and Death 4. Phil Glass: Einstein/Satyagraha/Akhnaten compilation 5. Fripp & Craftys: Show of Hands 6. Sylvian Fripp: The First Day 7. Sylvian & the guy from Can: Plight and Premonition 8. Laurie Anderson: Mister Heartbreak 9. " " Big Science 10. Wes Montgomery: Talking Verve Michael From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:10:08 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 13:09:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXutP-00064E-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:09:07 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971118125812.009f13a0@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:58:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: On being complete nerds In-Reply-To: <199711181943.LAA06831@gw1.bi-tech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"s4QkVB.A.syE.fGgc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1307 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:09:07 -0800 X-UIDL: faba9311accd95bd9d3bb97ec609f17b > 2. Top 10 lists are lame, I know. But I am really fascinated by the way > Like a previous post - no particular order or recordings. Dead Can Dance Voivod Michael Hedges Mr. Torn Husker Du Kate Bush Carcass Steve Tibbetts Sonic Youth Skinny Puppy and since there have already been two posts about DC music - Deceased Nothing like diversity! From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:10:11 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 13:24:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXv8e-0007cS-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:24:52 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:08:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: On being complete nerds Resent-Message-ID: <"9HwaaD.A.C7F.GSgc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1308 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:24:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 38818ed1f9051ba66c7396f3f681cfc6 >once again, Looper's Delight is pushing the geek-o-meter way into the red. >Now I certainly deserve some of the blame, but even I reach my limits with >endless babbling about this and that feature about whatever the latest >gadget is. Now I know you're all capable of much more enlightened >conversation, so let's have it! > Oh man, it's a sign of how far gone we are when it takes a top ten list to improve the discourse.... >1. How about this: What are the approaches you take improvisationally / >compositionally in creating and building a loop? Is there a structure to it >all? And leave the gear specifics out! > Lately, I've been doing a couple of things to make the loops less overt. One thing has been to turn down the output of the looper, and just blindly punch thins into it for several minutes before I listen to the loop. It's a good memory exercise, trying to make things work together coherently based on what I remembered of what I play. Surprisingly, it's more interesting on tonal loops than noise loops. obligatory listening list, in no particualr order: Cujo - Adventures in Foam: Very nice jazzy drum 'n' bass, like Squarepusher except the jazz stuff is coming from a less cheesy place. Also, by the same person is Amon Tobin - the Piranha Breaks EP, also very nice. Aphex Twin - Come to Daddy: alternately leeringly evil and surprisingly pretty, this is a fun and disturbing 33 minutes. One thing I really like about recent Aphex is how condensed his compositions are. Parts of this remind me of John Zorn played on cheap synthesizers. Miles Davis - Dark Magus/Black Beauty/In Concert: These are the new re-issue double CD sets, with cleaner sound, better liner notes and a WAY cheaper price tag than the original japanese CD's. These are all raging live performances from Miles' electric bands. It's amazing how conemporary this stuff still sounds, after 20 years. In a similar vein, Panthalassa, Bill Laswell's remix of Miles studio work from the same period is very respectful. Laswell's hand is pretty transparent here, you only really notice his work if you compare the mixes to the originals, he stays absolutely within Miles' original concept. Arcana - Arc of the Testimony: The rhythm section of Tony Williams, his last session before his death, and Bill Laswell, with solists like Pharoah Sanders, Buckethead, who actually sounds like he has a soul here, Byard Lancaster, etc. This is what fusion should have become, and Williams playing is so great that it makes his loss all the sadder. Astor Piazzola - Libertango: I've started playing bass in a band that does tangos, as well as some other latin American styles, and Piazzola's stuff just kills me. This record, a live recording from 1984, is totally masterful. John Zorn/Bobby Previte - Euclid's Nightmare: around 30 improvised miniatures, most lasting about a minute. Very concentrated, small, and restrained, and surprisingly beautiful. Kim mentioned: > >Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst if you like this, check out "The Instrumentalyst" instrumental remixes from the above CD. Dan Nakamura, AKA the Automator, is one of the most interesting hip hop producers today. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:10:13 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 13:41:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXvP7-0001eS-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:41:53 -0800 Message-Id: <97Nov18.152802cst.26890@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: pmurphy@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:27:25 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Pat Murphy Subject: Re: Top ten list In-Reply-To: <20242709900630@cfpa.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"lYdVFB.A.AH.Dhgc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1309 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:41:53 -0800 X-UIDL: bb581be614ee7b5823f48030c2929d9a Top 10 Currently in Rotation (not in any order) 1 Toy Matinee 2 3rd Matinee 3 Aimee Mann 4 October Project 5 Deana Carter 6 Twila Paris 7 Beatles 8 Phil Keagey 9 Freedy Johnston and a person can't listen to music all the time so #10 is 10 Seinfeld At 02:24 PM 11/18/97 -0600, you wrote: >In general, I tend to go through artists rather than specific pieces or >albums. So here's a list of some I have been listening to in the last >week: > >Arvo Part >Annonymous Four (four women doing a hell of a job reviving medeival vocal >music - check out the English Lady Mass) >Jeff Buckley >Jeremy Enigk >Miriam Makeba >Sarah Vaughn (as always) >Cafe Tacuba >Fugazi* >The Make*Up >Mail Order Bride* >(*these three bands are my favorite DC-based groups...all of them have >websites so check'm out!!) > >And one more specific piece: Carmina Burana by Carl Orff, the lyrics are >great and the drive of this piece is compelling. I went through a phase >with this one years back and just picked it up again this week - worth >listening to again!! > >This list makes me realize I need to go on a shopping spree... > > > > > From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:10:14 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 13:47:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXvUv-0002HL-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:47:53 -0800 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:33:20 -0500 (EST) From: Drumworker@aol.com Message-ID: <971118155745_1771735493@mrin52.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DP4 Possibly for Sale, Anyone Interested? Resent-Message-ID: <"jZ_rZD.A.F2.ongc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1311 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:47:53 -0800 X-UIDL: d9741fac84537bdadb7951658425872c I have a friend considering selling a DP4. He is currently studying in Germany but will be back in Dec. Is anyone interested in making an offer for it? His description of the unit follows: "The DP4 has a short (only 3.3 secs) but high resolution loop. It has 4 effects units which can be ganged in many configurations, and includes a very wide range of excellent algorithms, from reverb/delay, chorus/flange, speaker emulation, gating, and even vocoding." Cheers, Paul O. From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 10:16:06 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 00:21:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xY5OK-0007mE-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:21:44 -0800 From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com Date: Tue, 18 Nov 97 16:37:00 EST Encoding: 32 Text Message-Id: <9710188798.AA879899517@mail.amsinc.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"oJlYQ.A.J0G.PBqc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1342 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:21:44 -0800 X-UIDL: 4f91a57c4cbfc3158f984207fda0174c rANDOM 10 LIST Shizuo vs Shizor - experimental H.C. sample/loop/jungle aggro-noise, but lo-fi fer sure Pizzicato 5 - Happy End of the World, also 'combinaison spaciale' (remixes) - blended pop casserole John Zorn - Cynical Hysterie Hour - jump cut cartoon soundtracks from Japan- very cute and bubbly, cool banjo by Frisell(?) Squarepusher - Burningn 'n Tree - reissue and some new tracks - fastest and most complex drum n bass stuff I've heard - yet chix dig it! Lee Konitz - Solo alto sax improvisations in Japan, 1986 Jon Rose and Otomo Yoshihide - Tatakiuri - conceptual shopping trip imagined through violin and sampler/turntables Ennio Morricone (some old tape from a friend, classic westerns) Spellbound - The Classic Film Scores of Miklos Rosza (Thief of Baghdad, etc..) Evan Parker and Ned Rothenberg - Monkey Puzzle - circular breath reed duos Evan Parker and Lawrence Casserly - soprano sax remanipulated through "signal processing device" to the point of obscurity ed chang From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:10:15 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 13:57:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXve0-0003JO-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:57:16 -0800 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:41:48 -0500 (EST) From: VanEyck To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Tape echoes In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.16.19971118112949.320f73f0@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"JSVBWB.A.7oB.evgc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1312 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:57:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 3031d537434b6c68a81a89e7c341ecbb Hello, I was wondering if anyone has had any experience replacing the tape in tape echoes. I am particularly wondering if anyone has any preference in replacement tape. Any particular brand? Lubricated vs. non lubricated? Thanks in advance. Best, TREVOR. VanEyck@interlog.com From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:10:21 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 15:12:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXwog-0003XV-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:12:22 -0800 Message-Id: <199711182207.RAA19950@venice.connection.com> From: "G. Peterson" To: Subject: Re: Tape echoes Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:57:07 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CCHmq.A.TJC.O4hc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1315 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:12:22 -0800 X-UIDL: 45f82978bce9b208d3d31fd656e65e8d Depends on the type of tape..ie. 1/4", tape cartridges (cart tapes) as found in the univox 80, etc... Generally lubricated tape is prefered...particularly in the cartridge types where the loop is spooled from the center. Cheers, Gp ---------- > From: VanEyck > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Tape echoes > Date: Tuesday, November 18, 1997 4:41 PM > > > Hello, > > I was wondering if anyone has had any experience replacing the > tape in tape echoes. I am particularly wondering if anyone has any > preference in replacement tape. Any particular brand? Lubricated vs. non > lubricated? Thanks in advance. > > Best, > > TREVOR. > VanEyck@interlog.com > From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:10:16 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 14:27:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXw7b-0006Xc-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:27:51 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:11:34 -0800 Message-ID: <0004B98B.1264@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Top ten list To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Mike.Biffle@wj.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"4NUVg.A.9rE.DMhc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1313 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:27:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 4691b4f2b3b179b5d1ce8a2c1fda8a86 Compositional style... I've enjoyed the various descriptions of techniques for building a looped composition. I also use many of those approaches. There are times though when I've made a blunder, and disregarded my instincts to kill it and continue on anyway to slowly develop something new and find unity and beauty in the final outcome. I'm often led into musical developments I wouldn't normally find myself in. In a live situation, It's often quite funny to see the looks on other's faces as they watch this process unfold. It's really worth all the ensuing slander for those priceless reactions. As for my top ten list... 1. Miles Davis, Decoy 2. Martin Carthy, Collection 3. Sonic Youth, Dirty 4. Pavement, Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain 5. David Sylvian, The First Day (???) w/Fripp 6. Nick Drake, Pink Moon 7. Tom Waits, Bone Machine 8. Byrne-Eno, My Life in the Bush of Ghosts 9. Bill Frissell, Where in the World? 10. The sound in my head... (I'm looking for the output jack!) Regards, -Miko From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:10:55 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 18:28:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXzsX-0001hO-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:28:33 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971118234908.00696938@online.no> X-Sender: hovard@online.no X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:49:50 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hovard@online.no Subject: re: nerds Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"JWnmSC.A.Me.jxkc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1328 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:28:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 3636dda7b720673ab22fc6f5dcc225e6 Thanks for the blunt and honest comment (geek/gear etc.)!!!! I have felt the same way but was too chicken to speak up :) !!! This weeks top ten list , in no particular order: Bill Frisell - where in the world Tal Farlow - This is tal farlow Trey Gunn - The third Star ( feut. the wonderful mr Pat Mastelotto on drums) Peter Gabriel - us , so , live etc... John Scofield - Pick hits Shakti - with John Mclaughlin Jim Hall - conciertio Eurythmix - best of King Crimson - Starless and Bible Black , thrak Bill Frisell and Elvis Costelo - deep dead blue As you can see this is a fairly regular list compared to the stuff some of u listed(most of which I have never heard off!).This is probably coz I live in Norway and underground trends are never picked up on by media/cdstores. Sorry if the list was boring...:) My approach to playing is that I play two different instruments: 1. "electronic guitar" : when I wear this hat it is of no relevance to me if the sounds coming out of my speaker resembles guitar or not. I treat my guitar like a tonegenerator and think in a textural/mood mode. This is where looping is interesting to me ; I can take up more space ,if desired , and give a more organic alternative to keyboard-instruments ( no offence !) It also frees me up to shift focus on the music and zero in on different things ( look ma! I`m playing wah with the hihat!) while the loop takes care of the harmonic demands of the song. Obviously , this has its limitations. 2. Electric guitar : When I`m in these pants I just get a cable and stick it into my amp , and guitar , but this approach (while very valuable) is of no interest to you guys ,so I`ll shut up now. Anyway , I have taken up this space because I feel this is stuff that is more valuable to us as MUSICIANS , as well as guitarists. I hope we can get more discussions on this subject , and thank you Kim , for pionting out that the emperor is almost completely nude ( and not very sexy)......chew on that , guys!! Your looper in Norway , Thomas Woehni From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:10:22 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 15:13:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXwpl-0003ew-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:13:29 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Improv style Top ten list Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:01:49 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"rYuFrC.A.KZC.h6hc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1316 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:13:29 -0800 X-UIDL: b1e55b08c1b84508efb6190829b5d6a4 1. Improv style/technique Don't have any set rules/techniques, but lately I've been trying to use my keyboards more. for example Start with some keyboard chords (minimal maybe just a fifth or third) layer in some guitar, layer in some keyboard ,etc. 2. Top ten: like Kim Flint, I bore easily so mostly listen to recent releases: 1. John McLaughlin "The Heart of Things" (will see 11/20 at the Birchmere) 2. Miles Davis "Live Evil" - 70's concert released this year 3. David Torn "Cloud about Mercury" 4. Robert Fripp "That which Passes" (will see at the Birchmere 12/10) 5. Steve Hackett "Watcher of The Skies -Genesis Revisited" 6. Jon Anderson "Earthmotherearth" 7. Andy Summers "Last Dance of Mr. X" 8. Michael Brook "Albino Alligator Soundtrack 9. Daniel Lanois "Sling Blade soundtrack" 10. David Bowie "Earthling" Anyone going to Birchmere for Fripp or MacLaughlin let me know if you want to hook up. later John From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:10:28 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 15:35:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXxBO-000653-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:35:50 -0800 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:12:19 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: Current Listening, Looping Process Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199711181812_MC2-28B5-6199@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"98hX6.A.IcE.FOic0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1317 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:35:50 -0800 X-UIDL: fe3019aa53981ec75f9d7bb97d8bf363 Travis Hartnett wrote, > Tony Geballe--(can't remember the title, it's his only CD) Native of the Rain. A very beautiful acoustic 12-string album, clearly influenced by his teacher Ralph Towner, and sometimes by his other teacher, Robert Fripp, but very original nonetheless. Tony has also contributed a small number of incredible compositions to the Guitar Craft repertoire, and he is a very gifted Guitar Craft teacher himself. ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:10:39 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 16:26:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXxyK-0003gC-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:26:24 -0800 Message-ID: <347226CB.504@intcpi.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:37:48 -0500 From: jprice@intcpi.com (John Price) Reply-To: jprice@intcpi.com Organization: INTELLISOFT, CPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Top ten list References: <97Nov18.152802cst.26890@gateway.gibson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RbiWs.A.1bC.Z_ic0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1319 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:26:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 0577587618003c30fe435064b343266c Pat Murphy wrote: > > Top 10 Currently in Rotation (not in any order) > > 1 Toy Matinee > 2 3rd Matinee > 3 Aimee Mann > 4 October Project > 5 Deana Carter > 6 Twila Paris > 7 Beatles > 8 Phil Keagey > 9 Freedy Johnston > and a person can't listen to music all the time so #10 is > 10 Seinfeld > > At 02:24 PM 11/18/97 -0600, you wrote: > >In general, I tend to go through artists rather than specific pieces or > >albums. So here's a list of some I have been listening to in the last > >week: > > > >Arvo Part > >Annonymous Four (four women doing a hell of a job reviving medeival vocal > >music - check out the English Lady Mass) > >Jeff Buckley > >Jeremy Enigk > >Miriam Makeba > >Sarah Vaughn (as always) > >Cafe Tacuba > >Fugazi* > >The Make*Up > >Mail Order Bride* > >(*these three bands are my favorite DC-based groups...all of them have > >websites so check'm out!!) > > > >And one more specific piece: Carmina Burana by Carl Orff, the lyrics are > >great and the drive of this piece is compelling. I went through a phase > >with this one years back and just picked it up again this week - worth > >listening to again!! > > > >This list makes me realize I need to go on a shopping spree... > > > > > > > > > > I was surprised to see someone mention "Talk, Talk's", last ever album, "Laughing Stock". That album is one of the best ever rock ( Im unsure as to whether or not the term rock really applies to the stuff they were producing near the end ) pieces ever produced (IMHO:). Its highly listenable, lush and full of rich and well placed tones form both a guitar perspective and an orchestral perspective. "Laughing Stock" is like an unintended means of closure to the radical turn their music took in the later years. They were really a Great group that was never given their full due credit. Other ( Extremely Biased towards my tastes ) Faves: Return to Forever - I think Chick C. said somewhere he knew he'd have a tough time topping this effort. He said it was gonna stay with him as the pinnacle of his musical style in everyones mind forever. I know I'd kill to have an albatross like that around my neck. Kate Bush - The Sensual World - Her last real album. Now everybody from Sinead'Oconner to Tori Amos cop her sound better than Kate Bush does Kate Bush. Bitches Brew - We all know what this one was about and how its influence is still felt today across many genres. See any Jazz based Hip Hop acts source for loops and this is a standadrd bearer. White Light, White Heat - Velvet Underground and Lou Reed at their finest. "The most influential band ever", according to Brian Eno ( Reason: everybody who bought their albums started bands ) Murmur REM - Still arguably their best album ever. A Southern American folky version of U2 meets the Byrds without a digital delay. Great stuff that works beacause of the youth and sincerity of the band. They came out of nowhere in 83 and quickly became critics faves. Under a Blood Red Sky - U2 - Open Strings with a digital delay never sounded finer. New Order is still jealous of where these guys took the original Joy Division sound and even more surprised as to where they finally abandoned it. Discipline, Islands or Lizard - 3 personal faves of mine - one album is restrained, subtle & underrated while the other is a free form freak out with Fripp's legendary chops glaring at the helm. Discipline is monumental for its departure from expectations and the Crimson history per se. Discipline is killer creative leaping at its most refined and chaotic - you gotta listen closely to notice that its spirit is no different than all the rest of Crimso's efforts - its just a different approach combined with 2 new faces executed to precision. Passion - Peter Gabriel's Masterpiece Trans Europe Express - U have this record hidden somewhere - even if youre a metalhead :) Laughing Stock Talk Talk Avalon Roxy Music Purple Rain - Prince - OK, OK, OK, Im a scorpio child of the 80's. What else can I say ??? :) Prince is still the most exciting and possibly the last & best pure pop/entertainer/performer we have left in the business. Talking Heads - 77 P-Funk w/ Clinton One Nation under a groove. Hot Stuff !!! Kip Hanrahan - any of his albums are woth a listen if u can find em. Art of Noise - Paranomia - Loopded delights galore - All with the Fairlight ??? If I recall. Thomas Dolby - Flat Earth - highly underated. Soft Cell's Non Stop Erotic Caberet - Pop - Pop - Pop - Synths !! Bauhaus - 1979 - 1983 - Goth was tres cool and relevant back then. Reagan and Thatcher were in Power. That in and of itself were justification enough for Dooom and wearing all Black w/make-up. Daniel Ash and Peter Murphy made it all sound better. Even Bowie liked their Bowiesqueness - ck out the opening of the movie, " the hunger" and there is Bauhaus. From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:10:30 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 16:03:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXxc8-0001C9-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:03:28 -0800 Message-ID: <19971118235417.14127.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:54:17 -0800 (PST) From: Twayn Williams Subject: Occult loops To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"IgxKiB.A.s.ooic0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1318 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:03:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 86b2ecda6f0d6f2cac24054af92069ea 93 all! Kim asked for non-gear oriented threads, so let's see what sort o' weirdos hang out here in looper-land. As a member of an occult fraternal organization, I have opportunity to investigate the subtler capabilities of sound looping/delay. Personally, I find that running a static loop for astral applications (i.e. guided imagery travel) to be not as effective as a more delay oriented approach. The evolving effect that can be achieved with a long delay time and long decay seems to be more effective for creating a "travelogue." On the other hand, the hypnotic effect of a repeating sound (or texture) can also be quite effective. Thoughts? 93 Rev. DOubt-Goat __________________________________________________________________ Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:10:57 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 18:44:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xY08A-0003UV-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:44:42 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971118175739.008a9c50@www.area04.org> X-Sender: webmaster@www.area04.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:57:42 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: AREA04/ Eric K Subject: Re: Occult loops Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"sRVgAC.A.DnC.CElc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1330 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:44:42 -0800 X-UIDL: f807fb8829b3c80a49b99baf0bb0277b At 03:54 PM 11/18/97 -0800, you wrote: >93 all! > >Kim asked for non-gear oriented threads, so let's see >what sort o' weirdos hang out here in looper-land. > >As a member of an occult fraternal organization, I >have opportunity to investigate the subtler >capabilities of sound looping/delay. please expound... >Personally, I find that running a static loop for what type of static loops are you useing, ie what is the content and how long is it...? are you working with specific tempos? >astral applications (i.e. guided imagery travel) to >be not as effective as a more delay oriented >approach. The evolving effect that can be achieved >with a long delay time and long decay seems to be >more effective for creating a "travelogue." are you useing any specific repeat or decay times? >On the other hand, the hypnotic effect of a repeating >sound (or texture) can also be quite effective. > >Thoughts? > >93 > >Rev. DOubt-Goat >__________________________________________________________________ >Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com > Eric K www.Area04.org From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:10:42 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 16:42:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXyDP-0005S4-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:41:59 -0800 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:15:07 -0500 (EST) From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <971118191506_-2041816021@mrin44.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: NJ Loops Resent-Message-ID: <"14HjS.A.43D.VMjc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1320 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:41:59 -0800 X-UIDL: 3f77f29dc489f82857782fa026a351ec Adelante will be playing at "The Rocking Chair" ((609)967-3200) in Avalon N.J. this Fri. 8:30pm to closing. Adelante is Paul Mimlitsch (Stick(R)/Loops), Jody Janetta (Percussion), Michael Robbins (Violin/Viola), and Ralph Anastasio (Bass). Adelante's primary performance tool is extended spontaneous improvisation. The musician's thrive off of the musical energy of the moment with each member bringing to the table a diverse pallette of musical stylings/experiences. Hope to see you there. Thanks. - Paul From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:10:43 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 16:49:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXyKd-0006Gx-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:49:27 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971118163612.009f8880@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:36:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Top ten list In-Reply-To: <347226CB.504@intcpi.com> References: <97Nov18.152802cst.26890@gateway.gibson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ghd7x.A.HyE.dUjc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1321 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:49:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 1500f52c0267a3291a585adcf8ff5179 At 06:37 PM 11/18/97 -0500, jprice@intcpi.com wrote: >Return to Forever - I think Chick C. said somewhere he knew he'd have a >tough time topping this effort. He said it was gonna stay with him as >the pinnacle of his musical style in everyones mind forever. I know I'd >kill to have an albatross like that around my neck. >Kate Bush - The Sensual World - Her last real album. Now everybody from >Sinead'Oconner to Tori Amos cop her sound better than Kate Bush does >Kate Bush. >Under a Blood Red Sky - U2 - Open Strings with a digital delay never >sounded finer. New Order is still jealous of where these guys took the >original Joy Division sound and even more surprised as to where they >finally abandoned it. > Great commentary! From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:10:48 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 17:44:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXzBB-0004SS-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:43:45 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: garcia.efn.org: fletk owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:45:21 -0800 (PST) From: Ken Fletcher To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: On being complete nerds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"tajY.A.E-C.tGkc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1322 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:43:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 3614fa6fdc10bdb0628961727ebf9441 Okay, but I must admit I was >attracted< by the nerdy, geeky nature of this mailing list! Here's some stuff I've been listening to lately: ********************************************* ELpH vs COIL worship the glitch Hitting Birth (depending on which side of the cd case you believe, the album is called "Thirst of the Fast Three Years," "Kiss of the Last Three Tears," or "Fast of the Thirst Free Years.") Kristin Hersh "Hips and Makers" The Best of Jonathan Richman and the Modern Lovers: The Berserkley Years Babes With Axes "Live Axe" Can "Saw Delight" Hazel "Lucky Dog" (this was the advance cd title; I don't know what the released title was; 1993 Sub Pop) Wire "The Ideal Copy" Team Dresch "Personal Best" Rattlecake (self-titled) Janos Starker plays Boccherini, Back, Vivaldi, Corelli, Locatelli, Valentini (early-mid '60s recordings of a fine cellist, accompanied by Gyorgy Sebok, piano) Ani DiFranco "Living In Clip" and "Not a Pretty Girl" Jethro Tull (inspired by seeing them a couple weeks ago in Eugene, I've been going through my whole collection, which includes most everything from "This Was" through "A") ********************************* I guess there's not much looping in that list! Oh well. I love Public Enemy. They do a lot of looped spoken-word samples on their later stuff, amongst all the other crazy sounds in their mixes. On to looping that I like to do... One thing I have done a lot of is take three carefully chosen sampled loops of similar but not exactly the same length, and either start them going at the same time or introduce the second and third loops at places that feel appropriate in the first loop. Then I like to let them play and listen to how they slide against each other, always revealing something new in their juxtaposition. For example, my very first loop-based piece consisted of 1) a couple of measures of the drums after the guitar fades out at the end of "Behind the Wall of Sleep" on Black Sabbath's first album, 2) the snakey bass-line from the beginning of "Bassically" which is the very next piece on the same album, and 3) Patti Smith's intro vocals to "Gloria" on her "Horses" album: "Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine." I rolled the drums first, then brought in the bass, then Patti. Simple, but I was hooked! It was so mesmerizing to listen to the loops slip past each other: each time one would come around again, the other loops would be in different relative positions. Perhaps I am easily amused, but this affected me powerfully! Describing my latest loop fun necessitates speaking of gear. Last weekend I dug out my old Commodore-64 and an ancient little program called "SID Editor" (from COMPUTE!'s Gazette magazine, June 1984) which is a BASIC utility that lets you set and alter in real time all the parameters of the 64's wonderful sound chip (Sound Interface Device). I had played with this program a 13 years ago but was not really into audio experimentation like I am now. Anyway....the SID chip has three oscillators, each with selectable frequencies, waveforms and envelopes, plus there are filters, ring modulation, and synchronization available (I'm not really versed in all these terms, so I'll just say that there are a bunch of parameters you can play with!) How does this relate to looping? Well, basically you can set up the three oscillators, etc., to create rhythmic or quite turbulent sounds as they resonate and interfere with each other, and by careful changes in frequency and other settings, you can arrive at incredible repeating patterns of cascading complex sounds, some very weird and funky, some very beautiful (I've heard similar sounds tuning around on a shortwave radio, but this was better because I could control them in very interesting ways). I guess I can generalize this discussion by asking if any of you have ever played with multiple oscillators to create loops? In this case the sounds themselves are the source of the loop, because of the interference patterns (moire effects?) created. I know this is not looping in the sense that is most often discussed here, but what the heck.... -Ken Fletcher From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:10:52 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 18:09:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXzZk-0007Lg-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:09:08 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971118185710.006cbec8@texas.net> X-Sender: ranjones@texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:57:13 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Randy Jones Subject: Re: On being complete nerds Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"vRM1O.A.r6F.Sgkc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1326 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:09:08 -0800 X-UIDL: e946493e7b70ee123fe4318eb173266b What I be doing... Finally broke down and bought the Momo Aida Vid. She gets done in the back of a Suburban driving down some Japanese freeway. The moans from the TV feed into the volume pedal which feeds into the Plex then into one of the Vortex's, I pump her up and down (ahem) and play along with the Dub, then switch to the old Roland 300 and run it through the other Vortex all through the old 4 channel Panasonic amp out through the double D9's and the two Whomping JBLs. Am I doing something wrong, Mommy? I'm getting skinniner and skinner... Leonard Cohen (burnning lady one) Dylan Blonde on Blonde Cure Disintegration Couple of Bill Nelsons Miles Bitches Brew Bjork latest Ana Gabrielle (three of em) Tom Waits (Black Rider) Xin Tron Tuoi Loan (Huong Lan Manh Quynh2) Huh? Romeo Void From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:10:50 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 17:50:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXzHu-0005Fc-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:50:42 -0800 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:05:15 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: Re:Lo-Fi StutterinG Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199711182005_MC2-28AE-FA6@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"ZzD4SC.A.p0D.QOkc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1324 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:50:42 -0800 X-UIDL: fb90ae8002c96fcb6ecfdd5953c01acb This is a somewhat late response to the Stuttering discussion, but I thought I might share this technique I recently discovered for *stuttering* live percussion samples with the Jamman: 1) In Sample mode, record a relatively short sample containing a distinct beat at the beginning 2) Increasing the trigger sensitivity with the Select knob to a large value (e.g. I use a value between 9 and 13 for triggering from a microphone) 3) With sufficiently large input signals (i.e. *triggers*) the first part of the sample *stutters*. 4) Increased Fun: Feed back a part of the sample signal acoustically (e.g. stage monitor/ microphone) and play around with the sensitivity setting to get some extremely bizarre, almost random *stutter* effects! WARNING: this will drive any other musicians nuts who are trying to play in time with your sample! From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:10:50 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 17:44:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXzBc-0004VH-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:44:12 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCF447.8D8B4020.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: On being complete nerds Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:29:04 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"X-yPuC.A.wBD.NHkc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1323 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:44:12 -0800 X-UIDL: c85536a95cf9e0eaed24cf56c596a2fc OK Kim, ya got me out of the closet with that one. Another looping lurker unveils. Been listening to: Lester Bowie's Brass Fantasy Ten piece brass ensemble, cutting-edge jazz. Saw a performance a few months ago in Santa Cruz -- these guys will turn you inside out. Every player is a monster (killin french horn and bone, but the tuba dude just knocked my sox off. ) Lester (trumpet) has been a long time--all time top five fave of mine; I highly recommend his solo albums, plus Art Ensemble of Chicago in addition to Brass Fantasy recordings. He's also on: Jack DeJohnette "New Directions" Besides Lester, there's John Abercrombie (guitar), and Eddie Gomez (bass). These are all DeJohnette compositions. This is one of my all time jazz top 10's. Ry Cooder "Jazz" Jeez, I love Cooder. On this album, he plays old-time New Orleans jazz favorites with some superb cats who've practically defined their respective genres. Gary Peacock and Bill Frisell "Just so happens" Check out 'Home On The Range' 1 and 2. I've had the great privilege of doing a few lessons with Gary, years back. His sensitive, expressive playing is a real reflection of the extraordinary, generous man that he is. And then there's Bill... Nawang Khechog "Rhythms of Peace" First heard this in a little Tibetan import shop. Tibetan bamboo flute, didgeridoo, gongs, bells, drums. Exquisite, spacious music. I think he'd dig a looper. Sadhappy "good day bad dream" Michael Manring, plus bassist Paul Hinklin (yeah, two basses) and drummer Evan Schiller from Seattle. Beefy, inspiring bass playing, rockin, solid stuff. I listen to this often. (Michael's the one who really got me inspired about doing my own digital looping. Saw him with his Jamhunks, first time I'd heard those devices used. Looked for them on the web, landed at the Looper's site, pestered Kim for awhile, and here I am.) Israel Lopez Cachao "Latin Jazz Descarga", parts 1 and 2. If you listen to any Latin at all, listen to this. These guys roast. Guillermo Rios "Soul of Spain" Passionate, evocative Flamenco guitar. Superb chops make his sound fluid, eloquent, intense. The live performance I attended was deeply moving. This CD is aptly titled. He lives and plays in the LA area. And right now I'm listening to bassoonist / reed man Paul Hanson - "Astro Boy Blues". He's phenomenal. Also appears with Paul Dresher. (You reading, Paul D? Heard you for the first time Saturday at Santa Cruz. It was outstanding! Great compositions, compelling performance.) Since I'm new to the list, I'd like to say, mondo thanks -- especially to Kim, Matthias, and the many others who continue to inform and sustain this extraordinary and entertaining resource! You all have collectively inspired me to search for (and find!) STRANGE TOYS. Yeah! (And that's all I'm gonna say about gear for now, kim. %^) Lately I've been walking around with a possessed, wild look in my eyes. Compositional inspiration? I confess I'm still at the stage where punching a button and playing a few layers is a complete revelation. Voila. In my naivete I'm easily entertained. Laurie >From lists@slip.net Tue Nov 18 17:50:48 1997 From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:10:51 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 17:56:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXzNS-0005ur-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:56:26 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971119013757.007668d4@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:37:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Top ten list Resent-Message-ID: <"iqJ5iB.A.EdE.tTkc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1325 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:56:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 533107672e5679735b6b5e8869bc3595 At 06:37 PM 11/18/97 -0500, John Price wrote: >Return to Forever - I think Chick C. said somewhere he knew he'd have a >tough time topping this effort. He said it was gonna stay with him as >the pinnacle of his musical style in everyones mind forever. I know I'd >kill to have an albatross like that around my neck. funny, I'm sitting here listening to a Squarepusher track, and I'm pretty sure he's using a bunch of Return to Forever samples. Or it could be from one of Al DiMeola's albums. Time has blurred those together in my mind.... The agressive beat makes it a little cooler now, but not much. ;-) Squarepusher: is this track drum n' bass? 70's Jazz Fusion? both? neither? Why would you go to so much trouble using drum n' bass techniques to make something that sounds like Weather Report? Fusion - let it rest in peace.....:-) kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:10:54 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 18:28:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXzs7-0001eU-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:28:07 -0800 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:18:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: lowfrqcy@west.net (Ryan Blum) Subject: Re: On being complete nerds Resent-Message-ID: <"H6VMRC.A.0d.gxkc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1327 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:28:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 34d6c7d32cd088f63831a3245231e7cc My turn.... 1. Miles: _Miles Smiles_ My favorite miles album (not that I own a lot...). Orbits drives me crazy... 2. Chick Corea/Miroslav Vituous/Roy Haynes - _Trio Music_ This album is half amazing "free" improvs (they are amazingly tight) and half monk tunes...very very hip stuff from before the Elektrik Band days. 3. Bill Frisell - _Quartet_ I'm sure most of you are familiar with this. Even though i'm a bass player, I love the no bass and drums arrangements...Mr. Bill is a guitarist, bassist, percussionist, horn player and Dj rolled into one! 4. Beck - _Odelay_ If you haven't seen beck in concert, find someway to do it as soon as possible. Trust me. 5. Marc Johnson's Right Brain Patrol - _Magic Labyrinth_ this is very very hip trio stuff from a great bassist...bass/guitar/percussion, and ther percussion guy uses looped acoustic percussion for the majority of the record, and Johnson uses some sustained bowed notes that could either be overdubs or some tasty loop work on a a couple tracks. Very very very hip stuff including a killer bass/perc. duet version of Solar where the head is sorta hinted at every once in a while, but never blatantly played. 6. Eberhard Weber _Pendulum_ This guy is very very cool..."the bass as an orchestra" as bass player magazine titled it...Thick, beautiful tones from a true original. 7. Mingus _the black saint and sinner lady_ Mingus, IMO, is the coolest individual ever, and certainly one of the greatest american musicians/composers. His autobiography is a bit scary, though.... 8. Metheny/Ornette _Song X_ I really like it. Not sure why, but i do. I think it's gotta be the Charlie haden-isms all through out...or ornette's melodic playing, or Metheny's psycho comping, or the great drumming by mr DeJohnette and the littler coleman. Maybe i do know why! 9. Paul Motain _Bill Evans_ someone else mentioned the Motain Trio...all this stuff is extremely hip new-jazz-whatever stuff...the bass-less trio stuff is great with tons of frisell and the albums with Charlie Haden are cool, and this one has Marc Johnson, one of my favorite cats, on it...neat-o stuff! 10. Pavement - _Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain_ oh to have pop sensibilities like these fellows...a close second to this album is Nirvana's _In Utero_, IMHO. -- "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." -Albert Einstein From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:10:56 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 18:35:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXzyh-0002Sx-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:34:55 -0800 Message-ID: <7906A58B2207D011B4CE00A024CF8B49070936@www.ihs.dk> From: 7302 <7302@ssj.dtu.dk> To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Occult loops Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 03:24:22 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"qUm0PB.A.RMB.03kc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1329 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:34:55 -0800 X-UIDL: a25f5490a479b18ef021dc4ee3925476 Hi out there! Well, I guess if there are weirdoes on this list I'm one of them, so ... Do you know about "Brainwave Synchronization" ???? It's about getting the brain into a given state of awareness by getting the sounds in sync with a given brainwave frequency depending on what state you want to make to listener have ... like dreamy sleep, better concentration etc. It's only works with headphones! (What a shame). This is just one thing that I'm into of weird stuff ... but enough for now. Please tell more about this organization. Bye for now and enjoy life all, Stefan. From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 10:13:44 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 09:40:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXrdH-0000BC-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:40:15 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971118190754.27879916@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:07:54 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: speaking of tape based delay... In-Reply-To: <3471879E.3420@nyfac.com> References: <97Nov18.105121cst.26881@gateway.gibson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"PJi_xB.A.daG.vCdc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1295 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:40:15 -0800 X-UIDL: 5f2846c0067cf574052e4f28db22c96a At 12:18 PM 11/18/97 +0000, you wrote: >Anybody try out the Matchless delay unit? I saw a picture of it the >other day, and it looks like a closed unit (so no tinkering with the >tape head), but if it is like the rest of the Matchless stuff, it should >be outrageously expensive and very nice sounding. Errr.. yes, and yes. I've seen quotes that it sounds wonderful, followed by a mention of a 750-pound price tag... that's about $1250, or the price of a new Strat Plus... Michael From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:11:01 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 19:19:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xY0gG-00075A-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:19:56 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19971119031142.00689a8c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: gls@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:11:42 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Grover Sheffield Subject: RE: On being complete nerds Resent-Message-ID: <"PvrhGC.A.k8F.bklc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1332 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:19:56 -0800 X-UIDL: c5907267963b321113617f1197226b4e At 05:29 PM 11/18/97 -0800, you wrote: >OK Kim, ya got me out of the closet with that one. >Another looping lurker unveils. Enjoyed your post. Hope you, family and friends are well. I'm changing jobs and flying to Paris (unrelated to work, opportunity beckoned) with Joan sans kids for a week to spend our 17th anniversary. I'm still in denial, but am going to pick the tickets up this Thursday. Take care. Let me know what you're up to. Grover From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 20:11:07 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 19:48:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xY186-0001u9-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:48:42 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:37:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Robert Tichacek Subject: Re: On being complete nerds Resent-Message-ID: <"_N5DU.A.h_.5-lc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1333 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:48:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 515cf715a33151d1cb4068b0a4fb7e32 >once again, Looper's Delight is pushing the geek-o-meter way into the red. >Now I certainly deserve some of the blame, but even I reach my limits with >endless babbling about this and that feature about whatever the latest >gadget is. Now I know you're all capable of much more enlightened >conversation, so let's have it! An excuse to delurk. Dammit, I'm not a geek. I just spend hours with my computer, work for an insurance company, fiddle with gear, keep up to date with the latest _GP_ and Harmony Central reviews...oh crap. > >1. How about this: What are the approaches you take improvisationally / >compositionally in creating and building a loop? Is there a structure to it >all? And leave the gear specifics out! Well, first on my situation - I'm using guitar as the looping instument, but I have no idea how to play it yet. I have some guitars for years, but I just kind of bashed on them and made noise, so recently I went out and bought my first nice guitar and am attempting to learn the damn thing. Actually know 15 chords now, and sometimes don't even have to look at the strings... Anyway, I generally either go for the serious contrast in texture, rhythm, whatever - recording an ultradistorted loop and then playing (ha) clean over the top, or playing in a different rhythm/time whatever - or go for a more static approach. This latter would be looping a short bit of chord fragment+open string drone, then playing similar bits over the top that change slightly, say by just sliding the fragment up or down while letting the open strings drone on a la "I Can See For Miles". Effectively three layers of information, plus more if I vary strum speed, phrase length etc. as compared to the loop. And of course the subtle interaction between the loop open strings and the live ones. >2. Top 10 lists are lame, I know. But I am really fascinated by the way >this list brings together people with quite different musical backgrounds >and styles. We're using similar techniques to create totally different What I have lying around in front of me: Flying Saucer Attack - Further Miles Davis - Dark Magus Dissolve - Third Album For the Sun The Who Sell Out V/A - Beyond the Calico Wall (60's garage/psych) V/A - Pebbles vol.3 (ditto) Lilys - Eccsame the Photon Band Wire - 154 John Coltrane - Crescent Hawkwind - Warrior on the Edge of Time Third Bardo - Lose Your Mind Amp - Perception Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst V/A - Incursions in Illbient (SubDub, DJ Spooky, Byzar, We) Roy Montgomery - Two Trajectories Count Five - Psychotic Reaction Art Ensemble o'Chicago - Nice Guys Popol Vuh - Aguirre Can - Ege Bamyasi Pink Floyd - Piper At the Gates of Dawn The Creation - Creation By Creation For Creation So much music on my desk I balance my keyboard on my lap Robert T. From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 23:08:19 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 20:26:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xY1ix-0004mX-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:26:48 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCF45F.76A00400.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Re: What fun... Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:20:20 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BRMHsD.A.wBE.okmc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1334 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:26:48 -0800 X-UIDL: b1cc5fbdec38ead84be82f7cadfb9ca5 Paris! Wow, a wonderful opportunity. Romantic, too -- nice place to be with your sweetie for an anniversary. Seventeen years! Congratulations. Hope you guys have a delightful time. I'll bet it will inspire your music as well. I find whenever I do something outrageous and wonderful, all the pieces of my life benefit. And a new job? Where, what? Thanks for your good wishes. We're fine, busy, life as usual. Trying to negotiate Thanksgiving options with a far flung family - takes a bit of doing to work out the schedule. Not exactly the situation for the Pilgrims! I have a confession to make. I bought another toy. A Vortex! It is a cool little box - I of course was heavily swayed by the Looper's rabid endorsement of the thing. Found one sitting in the back of a sleepy little music store in Santa Cruz. It was new...don't know how long they've been out of production, but it had obviously been sitting there a while. I paid a little more than I should have for it, but the moment seemed right - it's got a warranty, manual, pedal, the works. Now I have to figure out how to put all my gear together! Need to find a little mixer. The money flows out way too easily on this stuff. Glad to hear from you. Hope you and yours have a lovely TG, and the two of you a marvelous trip. (Bet you'll find some cool earrings for Joan in Paris!) Keep in touch, Laurie >From lists@slip.net Tue Nov 18 20:37:30 1997 From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 23:08:20 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 20:37:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xY1tJ-0005ki-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:37:29 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCF460.FF284C00.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: OOPS Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:31:25 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"weJ2TC.A.L3E.3umc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1335 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:37:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 44b0e420f7b79c1fe938b2140af61939 So sorry, previous post intended as personal mail to another Looper. Got my addresses mixed up. Argghhhhh. Laurie From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 23:08:26 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 20:44:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xY202-0006Og-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:44:26 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19971119043818.00680234@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: gls@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:38:18 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Grover Sheffield Subject: RE: On being complete nerds Resent-Message-ID: <"_JHcU.A.ziF.t1mc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1336 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:44:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 9a5152853bd3ee2df5f899d24631bda5 Arrghh!! Sorry for sending a message meant for private post to loopers-delight. I'm embarrassed. HOWEVER: I've found and pasted below a classified ad I saw for a Lexicon Vortex from Harmony Central. Hope someone here gets it! Don't e-mail me!! Grover Lexicon Vortex morphing effects processor Mint condition. box, manual, adaptor, footswitch. $150 + shipping Seller: Robert Verberkmoes, 608-255-0362 E-mail: rverberk@students.wisc.edu Location: MADISON, WI Post Date: 11/18/97 > > > From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 23:08:26 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 20:50:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xY25Y-0006wq-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:50:08 -0800 From: "Jesse Kudler" To: Subject: Re: On being complete nerds Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:48:29 -0500 Message-ID: <01bcf4a6$6195ffa0$224c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"QjDpy.A.KCG.F7mc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1337 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:50:08 -0800 X-UIDL: a74c1339613fac7284dfbae7af0ada0d >Dissolve - Third Album For the Sun How's this? >Roy Montgomery - Two Trajectories What's up with this? When did it come out, who put it out, etc? -Jesse From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 23:08:28 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 21:02:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xY2H9-0000LY-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:02:07 -0800 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:54:57 -0500 (EST) From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <971118235457_1536981325@mrin40.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: On being complete nerds Resent-Message-ID: <"wIL55C.A.uBH.hFnc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1339 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:02:07 -0800 X-UIDL: c70875ff22b37c209f4f1186432dfb6e i, for one, am not a geek. i am a cool guy. just ask me!!! =-0 PJ From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 23:08:27 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 21:02:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xY2H5-0000L7-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:02:03 -0800 From: "James Reynolds" To: Subject: Re: On being complete nerds Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:56:39 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf4a7$8582f840$13da80d0@toaster.431.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"f12ouD.A.C-G.CFnc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1338 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:02:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 8411213def9fa3f2c71d3fad942b3364 my current top 10, no particular order.. 1. DJ Krush - Strictly Turntablized 2. Underworld - dubnobasswithmyheadman 3. Marvin Gaye - Trouble Man (soundtrack) 4. Meat Beat Manifesto - Subliminal Sandwich 5. DJ Spooky - Songs of a Dead Dreamer 6. Fugees - The Score 7. Dr. Octagon - Instrumentalyst 8. Scorn - Zander 9. Snoop Doggy Dogg - Doggystyle 10. Shadowy Men on a Shadowy Planet - Savvy Show Stoppers 11. Digable Planets - Blowout Comb 12. Oliveros/Dempster/Panaiotis - Deep Listening ok, top 12, whatever.. james From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 23:08:29 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 21:29:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xY2h0-0002f9-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:28:50 -0800 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:22:12 -0500 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199711190522.AA12926@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: On being complete nerds Resent-Message-ID: <"OScLa.A.e5B.Genc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1340 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:28:50 -0800 X-UIDL: daced029c429ccc63bd949beaca3c0dc I'm currently very explicity _not_ recording any of my current looping efforts, in an effort to free me to restart loops while I explore certain aspects of things... this is a little sad when I get something good (capturing the loop after the fact isn't that intereting to me because it's the evolution that I find exciting). Lately I've been focussing on two things: putting effects before the loop vs. after the loop, and making "sound fx" with the guitar. For the latter, this mostly involves pick-against-string noises or very quick volume pedal decays of other sounds. These sounds would not be very interesting by themselves, but looped they can become much denser and interesting. For the former, the thing I've been noticing is how with some effects, the effect before the loop is "destructive" and the effect after the loop is "constructive", in the following sense (I'm borrowing the terms literally from wave theory): if you take a very dramatic effect like a tremolo, and run the loop through it, you get an effect like the looper was a keyboard--a polyphonic instrument being run through an effect... all the notes get louder and quieter at the same time, so it feels much more like a single instrument. Whereas, if you put the effect before the loop, then two notes coming out of the looper have already been tremolo'd, and they're not in sync, so one is getting louder as the other is getting softer... this sounds much more like a delay, or a multi-track... Both of these effects are useful... frequent recent listens in no particular order: Portishead _Dummy_ Lisa Germano _Happiness_ and _Excerpts from a Love Circus_ The Smiths _Meat is Murder_ and _The Smiths_ King Crimson _Beat_ (just transcribed most of _Neil and Jack and Me_) Sarah McLachlan _Touch_ and _Fumbling towards Ecstasy_ Therapy _Troublegum_ Marillion _Misplaced Childhood_ and a few recent loopist purchases (Fripp, Torn, Durant) Sean Barrett From ???@??? Tue Nov 18 23:08:29 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 18 21:46:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xY2yC-00045h-00; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:46:36 -0800 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:41:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711190541.AAA25253@shell.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: andy summers show... Resent-Message-ID: <"DLEiKB.A.BcD.xwnc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1341 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:46:36 -0800 X-UIDL: b4d76b3fd22329cb3cfdd8c1e74ced51 hey all-- just a tip...(positive) if ANDY Summers is coming to your town on his short (20-25 date) tour of US east & west coasts - do go see him - i just saw the (moderately attended) wetlands NYC show - first of the tour, and it rocked - or actually, it jazzed - Andy's playing a ton of standards, and standards-ish material - his new CD with Tony Levin, Gregg Bissonette is awesome, if you like jazz guitar with balls and modern tones.... the cd also features on one cut, Bernie Dresel(dr) and Jerry Watts (bs) who are his fine touring band.... He played a red gibson 335 - thru a stereo mes simulclass amp, with 2 mesa 2X 10 or 2X12s - processing seemed to be eventide harmonizer, a litle marshall (guvnor???) distort/pedal, maybe a lex pcm 90.... on his set list i saw stuff like Naima, Oleo, they did Afro Blue, a coupla Wayne Shorter tunes..... great set!! Andy is such an unsung hero - and of course a looping pioneer - from way back in the late 60s - he's on some classic shit - Eberhard Schoener, Dantalion's Chariot, i think even Soft Machine... not to mention several loopy albums after the police, incl. the masterpiece twin discs with Mr Fripp... So - support the dude.... buy the CD, tell your friends, go to the show - this sucks, but he's almost a secret, yet he was in arguably the biggest media phenom of an (excellent , innovative) band since the beatles... check out www.andysummers.com From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 10:16:08 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 00:24:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xY5RK-0000K7-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:24:50 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:39:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: On being complete nerds Resent-Message-ID: <"SgLxGD.A.V_G.rDqc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1343 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:24:50 -0800 X-UIDL: baaa3ed5fa15a862fd320a6ca0969a71 Dave said: >Kim mentioned: >> >>Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst > >if you like this, check out "The Instrumentalyst" instrumental remixes from >the above CD. Dan Nakamura, AKA the Automator, is one of the most >interesting hip hop producers today. > Is the Instrumentalyst album remixes? or the same stuff as the album without the raps? For those of you not familiar with the Dr. Octagon album, it's frequently been labeled as one of the best hip-hop albums of all time. I'm not really qualified to judge that, but I haven't been able to get it out of my head since I bought it. (that doesn't happen often these days...) Dan Nakamura's tracks are great. Mixed with q-bert's scratching, a bit of dj shadow, and the completely insane porno/sci-fi rapping of Kool Keith, and you got some sort of hip-hop masterpiece. highly recommended. Especially for the easily offended, as this will set a new standard for things to be offended about....;-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 10:16:07 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 00:24:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xY5R6-0000IS-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:24:36 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19971118234908.00696938@online.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:00:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: re: nerds Resent-Message-ID: <"EfQBsB.A.kAH.zDqc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1344 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:24:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 5fcb814b7b14411b4b3678f919dfde41 At 11:49 PM +0100 11/18/97, hovard@online.no wrote: > > >Thanks for the blunt and honest comment (geek/gear etc.)!!!! >I have felt the same way but was too chicken to speak up :) !!! I have to do this about once a month or so. The geeks start to run amok, so you gotta thin out the herd a little. When you see things get too techy, feel free to propose some provocative question to break everyone out. We'll all be so relieved that it's not another broken knob post that we'll all rush to put out our thoughts on whatever it is. Sometimes you can actually feel the sigh of relief....:-) >Anyway , I have taken up this space because I feel this is stuff that is >more valuable to us as MUSICIANS , as well as guitarists. I hope we can get >more discussions on this subject , and thank you Kim , for pionting out >that the emperor is almost completely nude ( and not very sexy)......chew >on that , guys!! > >Your looper in Norway , Thomas Woehni That's exactly it. There's a lot more to music and looping and our relationship to those things than the junk we plug into to do it. Easy to forget about that sometimes..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 10:16:11 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 02:33:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xY7SF-0002N3-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:33:55 -0800 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 05:28:01 -0500 (EST) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: On being complete nerds Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"xiU_NC.A.l1B.A9rc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1345 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:33:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 85ee01f806f8346d5fbf267d506e61e3 OK, I'll bite. I've been touching on a lot of different stuff lately, some recommended from this list, some not too loopy at all: Aphex Twin - Richard D. James Album Tricky - Maxinquaye DJ Spooky - The Dialogic Project Sheila Chandra - Weaving My Ancestors Voices Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan - Mustt Mustt Lush - Spooky Miles Davis - Bitches Brew Ry Cooder - Buena Vista Social Club (interesting Latin, recorded in Cuba with several 60-80yr old Cuban musicians) Adrian Belew - Op Zop Too Wah Tony Levin - Tales From The Iron Mountain Greg Howard - Sol (A Chapman Stick player) Stew Benedict From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 10:16:12 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 03:13:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xY84r-00049d-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 03:13:49 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCF4B1.C90EA460@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Nerds Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 06:10:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"qvEX0.A.moD.Xjsc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1346 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 03:13:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 18de13f02155f61cf724893c8c932cd3 Looping Technique When my loops start sounding the same, I turn the wet/dry mix control to full dry. Then I play very sparsely for a minute or two. Then I stop recording, unplug my guitar, turn the mix control up just enough so that it's barely audible and go upstairs, closing the basement door behind me. Then I try to forget what I played and ignore the sound coming from my rig. The floor and door filter out the highs and force me to mentally fill in what I can't hear. I let this go on for a few hours, especially if my kids and wife don't complain. It usually gives me some new ideas. Top 10 List 1. Is This My World That Hovers? [Wild Turkeyneck Records, 45 Belmont Ave., Suite 4C, Garfield, NJ 07026) - Ken Rubenstein (1991 Guitar Player International Soundpage Competition Winner) - Fantastic, highly creative loops & compositions 2. The Police (live) 3. Paul Motian Trio (live in Japan) 4. Duran Duran's Greatest Hits (don't laugh) 5. Suicide 6. The Planet Radio Station in Detroit - I haven't listened to commercial radio (except for the news) since 1990. This station plays alternative rock from the 90s and 80s. I find it very strange and empty. Especially considering that my usual points of reference are Derek Bailey, Fred Frith, David Torn, Crimson, etc. But, it's fun to listen to, anyway. 7. Larry Young (Hammond organ trio recorded in 1961) Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 12:25:27 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 10:43:15 1997 Received: from jpeinter.poyry.com.br [200.246.248.24] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYF5c-00008Z-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:43:06 -0800 Received: from jpccmail.poyry.com.br (jpccmail.poyry.com.br [200.246.136.18]) by jpeinter.poyry.com.br (8.6.8.1/SCA-6.6) with SMTP id TAA13070; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:45:57 GMT Received: from ccMail by jpccmail.poyry.com.br (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 00005A04; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:42:45 +0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:41:09 +0300 Message-ID: <00005A04.4007@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re: On being complete nerds To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Kim Flint Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part X-UIDL: af7a80815acc21fa6da5185cd921dac4 In no particular order: 1- Jan Garbarek & Hilliard Ensemble: Officium (sax improvisations on top of gregorian chant); 2- Tom Verlaine: Warm & Cool (instrumental and very cool); 3- Rabi Abu Khalil: everything (ethno jazz with lute and occidental players like Charlie Mariano, Steve Swallow, Glen Velez etc.); 4- FFWD: FFWD (Fripp + Orb + FSOL); 5- Pepe Habichuela: Habichuela en la rama (flamenco with "duende"); 6- Ravi Shankar: In Celebration; 7- Lost in Space (D'N'B compilation); 8- Kula Shaker (british pop guitar band); 9- Loop Guru: Amrita (lots of sample loops from ethic sources); 10- Miles Davies: In a silent way Miguel From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 12:25:28 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 10:52:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYFEv-0001El-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:52:41 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:41:09 +0300 Message-ID: <00005A04.4007@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re: On being complete nerds To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Kim Flint Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"vnjVyB.A.rJ.BNzc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1354 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:52:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 252ea5ff012449cc053be6ac57f8ece6 In no particular order: 1- Jan Garbarek & Hilliard Ensemble: Officium (sax improvisations on top of gregorian chant); 2- Tom Verlaine: Warm & Cool (instrumental and very cool); 3- Rabi Abu Khalil: everything (ethno jazz with lute and occidental players like Charlie Mariano, Steve Swallow, Glen Velez etc.); 4- FFWD: FFWD (Fripp + Orb + FSOL); 5- Pepe Habichuela: Habichuela en la rama (flamenco with "duende"); 6- Ravi Shankar: In Celebration; 7- Lost in Space (D'N'B compilation); 8- Kula Shaker (british pop guitar band); 9- Loop Guru: Amrita (lots of sample loops from ethic sources); 10- Miles Davies: In a silent way Miguel From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 10:16:13 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 03:57:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xY8lH-0006DB-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 03:57:39 -0800 Message-ID: <3472DFFC.22B3@infobiogen.fr> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:49:56 +0000 From: malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: Pasteur Lille X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:Jam update References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JZ_V_D.A.ulF.xMtc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1347 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 03:57:39 -0800 X-UIDL: b185dcf738ebd612711de727d8bf66b8 Thank to the list, I could locate a jamman and get it sent to france. I should have it within the 3 or 5 days. So, this question about update suddenly woke me up. Did we have an answer on this point or not? What the update would add? Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 10:16:25 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 06:51:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYBTE-0002Pz-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 06:51:12 -0800 From: Joshua Fried Message-Id: <199711191419.JAA11212@echonyc.com> Subject: good ole delay needed To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:19:05 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com" at Nov 19, 97 06:07:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cYnvi.A.rsB.0svc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1348 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 06:51:12 -0800 X-UIDL: 67e37e2a75ba2e45e32710b03f502d8b Hi all, A piece of gear that is crucial to my shows next month is in the shop, and may never get out. Know anyone with a lexicon pcm-42, Deltalab ADM-2048 SuperTimeLine or the equivalent?? (it's my deltalab that's in the shop.) That is: high quality digital delay, at least 2000 msec, that good old glissando at the turn of a knob, and that red infinite repeat button. Other colors are acceptable. I'm desperate. And asking around. I'd like to stay vintage, and AVOID Jam-Man, the new echoplex and the like if I can. I've been doing this for years and want to stick to it. At this point I play the delay like an instrument and don't want to learn a new instrument. Not now anyway. Joshua From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 10:16:26 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 07:04:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYBgJ-0003S1-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 07:04:43 -0800 From: "Siobhan Canty" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Nerd Herd Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:59:07 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <14585925601028@cfpa.org> Resent-Message-ID: <"PMD4F.A.OzC.n6vc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1349 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 07:04:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 0d1ebae1bb148051f706867fa1ef1011 "I have to do this about once a month or so. The geeks start to run amok, so you gotta thin out the herd a little." WORD :-))) Kim, for those of us who don't get a little chill on the back of our necks when talking gear, thanks for keeping L'il Loopy D. living in the broader vein. From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 23:29:02 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 13:27:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYHeM-0001SO-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:27:06 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:00:31 +0300 Message-ID: <00005A5A.4007@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re: EBow with a Guitar Synth? To: , "Stephen P. Goodman" Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"BbzTwB.A.7H.2b1c0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1361 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:27:06 -0800 X-UIDL: e1ca61e855d6ddcbe4de7a27cc41f88f I use the E-bow with a Roland GR-300 and it works very well. No problems at all. Miguel ___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________ Assunto: EBow with a Guitar Synth? Autor: "Stephen P. Goodman" na internet Data: 19/11/1997 11:35 John Stevens intoned: > >I started looping using guitar/Ebow through a Roland RE301 in mid 80s and >created reasonable Frippian sounds that way. >Now I use a Pentium 166 running the Microsoft Midisoft Studio 4 for all my >musical writing/recording. What has been anyone's experiences with EBow via a guitar synth unit? Do the tones get picked up the same way? I've thought about upgrading the ol' Strat with one of those GR units at some point, just to utilize some method of scoring my work... Hm, at work at the moment... What's playing right now? KKGO's got Beethoven's 6th on. Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 10:16:29 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 07:48:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYCMK-0006aP-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 07:48:08 -0800 X-Envelope-Sender-Is: Juergen.Haible@nbgm.siemens.de (at relayer mail.fth.sbs.de) Message-ID: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820F28ED@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> From: Haible Juergen To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: AW: Top ten list Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:29:57 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"HR7vuD.A.0eF.ygwc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1350 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 07:48:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 2fb9205fcad51f0524340db902e3f9d0 Top 10 - varies from time to time, but currently (in no specific order): Sylvian & Fripp, "Damage". This CD is so increadibly good - better than anything else I heard either from Fripp / Crimson, or from Sylvian / Japan. Gentle Giant, "Three Friends". Could have named most GG albums. This, and their first self titled, are the easiest to get into. Peter Gabriel, "Passion". Outstanding. Someone else mentioned it. His masterpiece. Also love his albums with Genesis. Klaus Schulze, "Dune". Could have named "X", "Timewind" or "Mirage" as well. The man who showed us that electronics don't have to sound "cold". Roger Waters, "Amused to death". One of the best "Pink Floyd" albums (;->). Unbelievable that I had refused to hear it for many years, because of the split, and because of negative critics. What a mistake. Tori Amos, "Little Earthquakes". Her best, and her most personal album. Tangerine Dream, "Zeit". The masterpiece of "Kosmische Musik". Other highlights were "Rubycon" and "Encore". Brian Eno, "Ambient 4, On Land". Once a critic cynically wrote, plants would probably like this "music". - Guess I have much in common with plants. Eberhard Weber, "The Colours Of Chloe" If you know him, you probably know his later loop-based albums, or his work with Kate Bush. Very unique bass player. Kate Bush, "Never For Ever" Ok, the second side of "Hounds of Love" is even better, but not the complete album. Follow the Nile ... JH. From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 10:16:31 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 08:10:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYCha-0000dK-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:10:06 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Haible Juergen's Top ten list Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:00:10 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Resent-Message-ID: <"A1rxqD.A.XKH.B1wc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1351 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:10:06 -0800 X-UIDL: 1cfc7b231c25a2d184129589ebdd39be >>>quote >>> > Sylvian & Fripp, "Damage". > This CD is so increadibly good - better > than anything else I heard either from Fripp / Crimson, or > from Sylvian / Japan. <<<<< end quote <<< Agreed, some of the interplay between Fripp and Michael Brook and Trey Gunn is subtle but amazing none the less, I had to see the LD of the Sun Plaza show to see who was playing what. >>> quote >>> > Roger Waters, "Amused to death". > One of the best "Pink Floyd" albums (;->). Unbelievable that I had > refused to hear it for many years, because of the split, and because > of negative critics. What a mistake. <<< end quote <<< This is good but I think his Radio KAOS is better. (more musical) (had it on in the truck on the way to work yesterday) my two cents Later john From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 12:25:25 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 10:27:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYEqJ-0006B7-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:27:15 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971119101508.009f7d80@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:15:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: On being complete nerds In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"5HgGjB.A.ynE.mzyc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1352 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:27:15 -0800 X-UIDL: 26e9880c7672607bee077394aafa43ae At 05:28 AM 11/19/97 -0500, Stew Benedict wrote: >Greg Howard - Sol (A Chapman Stick player) > hmmm... I knew a guy by the name of Greg Howard that played stick. What label is this on? If there's any kind of contact address, does it happen to be in Virginia? From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 12:25:27 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 10:34:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYExJ-00070S-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:34:29 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:20:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: On being complete nerds Resent-Message-ID: <"VWsPZD.A.HXF.b6yc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1353 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:34:29 -0800 X-UIDL: b03c4a21d31c92138f94f447ff7cf7d2 >Dave said: >>Kim mentioned: >>> >>>Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst >> >>if you like this, check out "The Instrumentalyst" instrumental remixes from >>the above CD. Dan Nakamura, AKA the Automator, is one of the most >>interesting hip hop producers today. >> > >Is the Instrumentalyst album remixes? or the same stuff as the album >without the raps? > Some of each. I haven't actually compared then side by side, but some pieces are definitely extended, with different sections, etc. I just find that I want to listen to the instrumental CD more often. The Dr's raps are great, he seems to be one of the few honestly funny rappers out there, but when the novelty wears off, the instrumental tracks are still very interesting. The Automator produces most of the stuff on the Ubiquity label, and everything I've heard of his has been quite good. As far as the Dr. Octagon CD being one of the best of all time, well, I think that the state of commercial hip-hop has gotten to be so low that anything that shows a modicum of cleverness and innovation sounds outstanding. Whether I'll still be listening to it 5 years from, as I am still listening to "Fear of a Black Planet" and "Paul's Boutique" remains to be seen. BTW, the new Wu Tang Clan has some quite interesting production, kind of murky and trip-hoppy, but very dark and menacing. Now if they'd only do an instrumental mix of this record... The MC Hellshit/DJ Carhouse CD has my vote for hip-hop disc of the year, though. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 12:25:38 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 11:11:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYFWg-0003Jb-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:11:02 -0800 Message-ID: <41DE695CE6FCCF11AD1000805FCCF8EC56BA79@sf-01-msg.dns.microsoft.com> From: Tom Attix To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: On being complete nerds Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:00:16 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Resent-Message-ID: <"smXoEC.A.UzB.jbzc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1355 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:11:02 -0800 X-UIDL: b5d0786437955fe92a8d1db8eb860441 I don't know what the label is but you can order his recordings through Stick Enterprises (www.stickent.com). > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Echevarria [SMTP:sechevar@california.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 10:27 AM > To: Tom Attix > Subject: Re: On being complete nerds > > At 05:28 AM 11/19/97 -0500, Stew Benedict wrote: > >Greg Howard - Sol (A Chapman Stick player) > > > > hmmm... I knew a guy by the name of Greg Howard that played stick. What > label is this on? If there's any kind of contact address, does it happen > to be in Virginia? > From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 12:25:43 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 11:16:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYFcE-0003we-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:16:46 -0800 Message-Id: <199711191900.TAA13454@beryl.sol.co.uk> From: "John Stevens" To: "LOOPERS-DELIGHT" Subject: Greg Howard. Looping. Current Listening. Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:03:54 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"voj7KB.A.vkC.Zizc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1356 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:16:46 -0800 X-UIDL: ca6e4a5e59d7db02d075322823c7c0a4 The Greg Howard album Stick Figures is on the Espresso label ES-9301. He can be contacted (so says album sleeve) at: PO Box 4051 Charlottesville VA22903. I started looping using guitar/Ebow through a Roland RE301 in mid 80s and created reasonable Frippian sounds that way. Now I use a Pentium 166 running the Microsoft Midisoft Studio 4 for all my musical writing/recording. By the way, Projeckt One (Bruford, Fripp, Gunn, Levin) play the LONDON (UK) Jazz Cafe 1st-4th December. Wish I could get there but ill-health prevents this. However, hopefully some loopers may make it and report back ;-) Listening to at present: 1. Bjork - Homogenic 2. Levin et al - Iron Mountain 3. Tony Geballe - Native Of The Rain 4/6. RF Pie Jesu, The Outer Darkness and November Suite (one of RF's best Soundscapes so far) John Stevens From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 12:25:47 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 11:48:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYG71-0007Dz-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:48:35 -0800 Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: EBow with a Guitar Synth? Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:35:35 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf522$4e5c5b60$0a3bd4cc@CIS.compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"KiIRzD.A.Y0F.RB0c0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1357 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:48:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 62bca5c740695ff2a68de69579327fab John Stevens intoned: > >I started looping using guitar/Ebow through a Roland RE301 in mid 80s and >created reasonable Frippian sounds that way. >Now I use a Pentium 166 running the Microsoft Midisoft Studio 4 for all my >musical writing/recording. What has been anyone's experiences with EBow via a guitar synth unit? Do the tones get picked up the same way? I've thought about upgrading the ol' Strat with one of those GR units at some point, just to utilize some method of scoring my work... Hm, at work at the moment... What's playing right now? KKGO's got Beethoven's 6th on. Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 12:25:50 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 12:06:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYGO8-0001Gb-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:06:16 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971119205611.0073dc28@pop.stud.ntnu.no> X-Sender: eriklj@pop.stud.ntnu.no X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:56:11 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Erik Ljones Subject: Techno Animal (was: Re: Jon Hassell and other looping in London) In-Reply-To: References: <000A1565.001424@mail.bl.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"LWHIWD.A.uM.oR0c0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1358 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:06:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 348407858c43475113462c13f5815729 K Law wrote: > Speaking of Jon Hassel David& anyone else have you heard Re -Entry by >Techno Animal? His contributions on 2 pieces are distinct elevating factors >in the music which is sort of a heavy electronic trance dub> hard to >catergorize.This is one of the most innovative recordings of the past ten >years IMHO . I had the pleasure of talking to Justin Broadrick (Half of TA) >last year at a Godflesh show and he said they sent Jon a dat with the >backing tracks on it and he added his bits>> I was amazed >>the trumpet is >so seamlessly a part of the music its hard to imagine without it. I have this double-CD. Track #1 (featuring Jon Hassel) on Dream Machinery is magnificent. The second CD, Heavy Lids, is a masterpiece. I urge everyone to check it out...you won't regret it. Have also been listening to some of Broaderick's cynical ambient/noise/isolationism work as FINAL. I'm not as impressed by this though, but alot of the sounds/noises are actually heavily treated guitars, so these cd's may be of interest to some of you. Don't know if they're available in the US though (J. Broaderick is from Birmingham, England). They're on some obscure label I can't remember the name of, but I can check it out if you want me to. Later, Erik Ljones (Norway) From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:16:38 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 05:16:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZFPo-0000jW-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 05:16:04 -0800 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 14:07:57 CST From: "Brian L Jackson" Message-Id: <9710228802.AA880202787@ccbbn5.dttus.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re[2]: Haible Juergen's Top ten list Resent-Message-ID: <"6-UfMD.A.uM.bntd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1474 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 05:16:04 -0800 X-UIDL: 8e039ecd4cb3c8f4056da834cc1cb108 >>> quote >>> > Roger Waters, "Amused to death". > One of the best "Pink Floyd" albums (;->). Unbelievable that I had > refused to hear it for many years, because of the split, and because > of negative critics. What a mistake. <<< end quote <<< Well, this is much off topic (or is it?), but I heard a "rumor" that Gilmour and Waters are getting back together. I'm sure everyone else is having the same reaction I did, "Yeah, right....". We shall see. Anyway, thought I'd just drop a line from the darkside. Brian From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 10:26:43 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 03:34:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYUs0-0006HQ-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 03:34:04 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:14:13 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: To all you musicians Resent-Message-ID: <"SjUr1.A.INF.k5Bd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1384 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 03:34:04 -0800 X-UIDL: 1ef0f96d546de9b97d1a8e799502ffad A CD that has come up a few times on the recent top 10 lists here is Tony Geballe's " Native of the Rain." I encourage everyone to pick this CD up at once. Now why I am doing this? Well Tony is a friend of mine and I'd love to see him succeed. The music is for solo 12 string guitar and represents the work of a mature artist who has found his own voice. While the music is accessible, it stands up to repeated listening. Native of the Rain was released on Robert Fripp's DGM label. One of the aims of DGM is to assist muscians who otherwise would have a very tough chance to be released and yet merit the opportunity. This is another reason to buy this disc. To let DGM (and other labels) know that when worthwhile music is presented to the markteplace, that the market will respond. This past Saturday Tony opened for Bon Lozago and PRoject Lo, featuring Caryn Lin. Tony set was outstanding, as well as Project Lo. Caryn did a very beautiful looped solo piece tha was written for a nephews birth. Project Lo will be at Phantasmagoria in WHeaton this Friday night so all you DC locals should ruch right over. Caryn had both a Echoplex and a jam man. Bon and the other Gutiarist, Jim Fogarty each had a Vortex and a jam man. Great great music!!! Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 02:35:09 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 02:35:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYTxV-0000pl-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 02:35:41 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:14:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Current Listening and All time top something Resent-Message-ID: <"dVJgg.A.3LH.v_Ad0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1383 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 02:35:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 7e7ae8dea4b133f1b8af1d421ef573fb Currently what I've been giving a lot of listenign to is: (in no particular order) 1. Hell! Hell! Hell! Hell! Hell! by Loren Mazzacane Conners. Solo electric guitar. Somewhat. 2. Collapse by Mick Harris and James Plotkin.VEry dark ambient droney music. 3. Dead Cities by Future Sound of London. 4. Native of the Rain by Tony Geballe. Solo 12 string magic. 5. Duo and Trio Improvisations- Derek Bailey wih others. 6. Arcana- The Last Wave- Derek Bailey, Tony Williams, Bill LAswell. 7. Songs From the Cold Seas_- Hector Zazou 8. Viral Sonata- DJ Spooky, actually Paul D. Miller on this disc. 9. Undark- Russel Mills with guests like Eno, Sylvian... 10. The "WELS" COncert- Peter Brotzman, Hamid Drake, and Mahmoud Gania 11. Songs of the Cows_- The Merman...Surf guitar for the 90's 12. Myself- that constant chatter inside my head, occasionally quieted down by muisc or mediatation...... Some of my all time favs: King Crimson most of their rleeases.. Eno most, but particulary Another Green World and On Land. Derek Bailey- Most but I could not live without Solo Guitar Volume Two. Twenty century classical music in my book... Bela Bartok.... all but especially String Quartets No 5 and 6!!! Powerful music. Jan Gabarek...he has a release with David Torn btw and another one with Frisell. Jimi, Jimi, Jimi.....need I say more? Peace, Patrick PS there is a hellof a lot that I left out as I'm sure most of us have...... *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 23:29:00 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 13:07:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYHL3-00071y-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:07:09 -0800 Message-Id: <199711192050.UAA15635@beryl.sol.co.uk> From: "John Stevens" To: "LOOPERS-DELIGHT" , "John Stevens" Subject: Re: EBow with a Guitar Synth? Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:54:23 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"URNMZB.A.UcF.DJ1c0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1359 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:07:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 68adb4937d95bdbfbafc98b1e039b408 ---------- > From: John Stevens > To: Stephen P. Goodman > Subject: Re: EBow with a Guitar Synth? > Date: 19 November 1997 20:52 > > > > ---------- > > From: Stephen P. Goodman > > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > > Subject: EBow with a Guitar Synth? > > Date: 19 November 1997 19:35 > > > > John Stevens intoned: > > > > > >I started looping using guitar/Ebow through a Roland RE301 in mid 80s > and > > >created reasonable Frippian sounds that way. > > >Now I use a Pentium 166 running the Microsoft Midisoft Studio 4 for all > my > > >musical writing/recording. > > > > What has been anyone's experiences with EBow via a guitar synth unit? Do > > the tones get picked up the same way? I've thought about upgrading the > ol' > > Strat with one of those GR units at some point, just to utilize some > method > > of scoring my work... > > > > Hm, at work at the moment... What's playing right now? > > > > KKGO's got Beethoven's 6th on. > > > > Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios > > EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! > > > > > Yes. I have a Roland 300/303 which I used with an E-bow to very good > effect. Especially if its set to 5ths/octaves. There can be glitching > problems, but careful use of the E-bow minimises these. Of course, the > glitches could be incorporated into the music;-) > > Cheers John From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 23:29:01 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 13:16:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYHUC-0000Fy-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:16:36 -0800 X-Sender: whb4@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19971118185710.006cbec8@texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:04:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Walt Blackler Subject: Hello! and my Top Ten listens... Resent-Message-ID: <"4kOQa.A.uYG.6R1c0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1360 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:16:36 -0800 X-UIDL: e82d6f0cfd2492196599db6207e71c71 Hi everybody! I really enjoy this newsgroup; interestingly enough, I do not have any of this equipement but I work on a Mac running Deck II (I know, I know). I'm thinking of switching over soon and so here I am listening to some experts in the "components" side of sampling. I love all the great listening suggestions from you guys! My top 10 listens right now: 1. Funkmaster Flex Vol 1. (its alright) 2. Brand New Heavies - Heavy Rhyme Experience. (If all hip-hop albums were this good...) 3. Sublime (trying to learn his unique ska/reggae/punk/rock aesthetic) 4. P-Funk All Stars "Dope Dogs" Well this album really is something. It was not released in the United States at all, but it is available from Japan. This album is George Clinton's masterpiece of the 90s, being a comprehensive social commentary on the modern crack-influenced innner city drug culture. This album is virtually totally unknown in the United States but I assure you - if you listen, you will love it! It is amazing. (I also like the TAPOAFOM album from last year as well as Bernie Worrell's Blacktronic Science - Bernie is a musical genius) 5. obligatory Miles pick: Get Up With It: 1970-1974. Also not available in the US but available in Europe. It is basically a bunch of stuff culled from tape of the era edited by Bill Laswell and his gang. I think there is definitely some post-production on it as well. 6. Squirrel Nut Zippers - can that woman copy Billy Holiday any more blatently? probably not! I do like the songs and the male vocalist however. 7. Mahavishnu Orchestra - Visions of the Emerald Beyond. One of my favorite albums of all time. If you have not heard it - go out and give it a listen. 'nough said. 8. 9/20/80 Bob Marley - Bob's last show on CD (well at least half of it). The show is incredible. The strength in his voice at a time when his health was really failing him.... absolutely incendiary versions of Zimbabwe, Zion Train, many many others. This widely available bootleg is the bomb. 9. DJ Shadow - Entroducing... A great album. I really like his sensibilities. He isn't so much into straight-ahead song structure as much as a really good "musical ride." 10. Material - Hallucination Engine. What do you guys think of this? I love it! Bill Laswell, Bernie Worrell.... tell me what you think. From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 23:29:09 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 14:01:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYIBq-0005LJ-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:01:42 -0800 X-Sender: ngold@mail.imagina.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:19:27 -0800 To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" From: Neil Goldstein Subject: Controller pedal Resent-Message-ID: <"vhSpXB.A.BkD.O61c0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1364 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:01:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 52fac7e5e669eb4a0a85d3ac4ee2e784 Anybody have a source for buying a controller pedal (for midi cc and Vortex) at a good price? Thanks Neil ngold@imagina.com Portland, OR USA From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 23:29:04 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 13:35:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYHmn-0002QY-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:35:49 -0800 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:23:37 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: Top ten list Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199711191623_MC2-28CC-C9C2@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"xOVS4B.A.WIB.pk1c0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1362 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:35:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 229ce22f97bf9b221a8f8656568e70a3 ok, here's some of my favorites, in no particular order ... recent favorites - Robert Wyatt - Shleep Tony Geballe - Native of the Rain David Bowie - Earthling Robert Fripp - That Which Passes Arto Lindsay - Mundo Civilisado all-time favorites - Synergy - Computer Experiments Vol. 1 Steve Reich - Music for 18 Musicians Philip Glass - Music with Changing Parts Michel Redolfi - Nausicaa Soft Machine - Third Brian Eno - Music for Films Brian Eno - On Land Harold Budd - The Pearl David Sylvian - Gone to Earth Jon Hassell - Aka Darbari Java King Crimson - Red Peter Gabriel - Passion Robert Fripp - God Save the Queen David Torn - Tripping Over God Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works 2 generally, I listen less and less to records - excellent as they may be - because I find that it gives me more kicks to play and listen to my own stuff ... I wish I had more time ... ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 23:29:08 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 13:49:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYI08-0003yu-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:49:36 -0800 X-Sender: ngold@mail.imagina.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:40:20 -0800 To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" From: Neil Goldstein Subject: Top 10 and looping techs. Resent-Message-ID: <"6upBuD.A.piC.Mx1c0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1363 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:49:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 4a6891348e2076e3e74fc264ff4e38a4 My top 10 list of most played discs is heavily influenced by hanging out with my 8 yr old daughter who is a top 40 and "alternative" fan, and a limited budget for buying CDs (too much spent on my own gear): 1. Spice Girls (some of the production is admirable...) 2. Sarah McLaghlan (grows on you, beautiful) 3. XTC (my fav band by far, new album to be out in 5/98 I hear) 4. Talvin Singh presents Soundz of the Asian Underground 5. new Bjork 6. Fleetwood Mac live 7. Brian Wilson and Van Dyke Parks "Orange Crate Art" 8. Beatles Anthology 9.. I'm too involved in creating my own shit to listen much to other music, and find there's not enough time and money to hear all the great stuff people recommend. I have a band doing trad songs with vocals and harmony (working on CD and refining writing and arranging), but have tendency to do experimental stuff on my own. Looping: My "typical" loop trip is using a VG8 into a JamMan and Vortex, sometime synced to an MC303. I was recently given a beautifyl kalimba which I've looped along with an African drum for some fey World music soundz. I am a huge fan of Logic Audio and spend lots of time working within that environment working on captured loops and adding improv guitar or K2000 tweaks. Thanks for all the cool recommends for techniques and discs. Great list! Neil ngold@imagina.com Portland, OR USA From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 23:29:10 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 14:02:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYICu-0005St-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:02:48 -0800 Message-ID: <34735E99.5BBD@aznet.net> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:48:09 -0800 From: Crimson@aznet.net Reply-To: Crimson@aznet.net Organization: Autonomy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Pushing the Nerd Meter Toward the Red Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"is1fyB.A.GrD.M71c0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1365 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:02:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 6b0ef6704e106bdd8c108452b9defd49 What does anyone think about the GR-1, both in the context of sounds for looping and just as a generally cool toy. How does it stand up vs. the GR-9 and the GR-30. "Hallucination Engine" is a GREAT album. Amazing production and even more amazing are the musicians. -- Cheers, Adam Tuckerman From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 23:29:10 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 14:05:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYIFc-0005mR-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:05:36 -0800 X-From_:nyfac2@nyfac.com Wed Nov 19 14:05:25 1997 Received: from mail2.panix.com [198.7.0.33] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYIFM-0005kc-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:05:20 -0800 Received: from nyfac ([206.133.60.162]) by mail2.panix.com (8.8.5/8.7.1/PanixM1.0) with SMTP id RAA09976 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:05:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34737850.167E@nyfac.com> Old-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:39:15 -0500 From: nyfac Organization: New York Film & Animation Co. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SGoldC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Hello! and my Top Ten listens... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:05:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 72b8d9a3b8744f64c67451093a1ca56e Walt Blackler wrote: > 10. Material - Hallucination Engine. What do you guys think of this? I > love it! Bill Laswell, Bernie Worrell.... tell me what you think. Just heard some for the first time last night, and thought is was fantastic. Yet another stellar Laswell project. Trevor From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 10:26:50 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 04:21:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYKTO-0002VB-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:27:58 -0800 Message-ID: <347362BE.C26@aznet.net> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:05:50 -0800 From: Crimson@aznet.net Reply-To: Crimson@aznet.net Organization: Autonomy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Reluctantly pushing the nerd meter toward the red. sorry. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oPXWa.A.gQ.Y-3c0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1366 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:27:59 -0800 X-UIDL: fd3b1624a5d3e66b57e4b066cd4c035e What does anyone think about the GR-1, both in the context of sounds for looping and just as a generally cool toy. How does it stand up vs. the GR-9 and the GR-30. "Hallucination Engine" is a GREAT album. Amazing production and even more amazing are the musicians. -- Cheers, Adam Tuckerman From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:16:36 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 05:01:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZFBx-0007Oj-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 05:01:45 -0800 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 16:22:24 CST From: "Brian L Jackson" Message-Id: <9710228802.AA880210669@ccbbn2.dttus.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Controller pedal Resent-Message-ID: <"mZNL6D.A.UjG.natd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1472 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 05:01:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 5d3bb0a92e3d74e55ee4ff06e1be1119 >Message was resent -- Original recipients were: To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------- Anybody have a source for buying a controller pedal (for midi cc and Vortex) at a good price? Thanks Neil ngold@imagina.com Portland, OR USA Neil, Have you tried one of the mail order catalogs, Musicians Friend, Thoroughbred, etc......? They usually have good controllers for both of these applications at good prices. Brian From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:16:37 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 05:02:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZFD3-0007U5-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 05:02:53 -0800 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 16:22:24 CST From: "Brian L Jackson" Message-Id: <9710228802.AA880210672@ccbbn1.dttus.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Controller pedal Resent-Message-ID: <"Q5lzBB.A.QpG.ibtd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1473 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 05:02:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 751319effb718c6c6426481822e1ceac >Message was resent -- Original recipients were: To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------- Anybody have a source for buying a controller pedal (for midi cc and Vortex) at a good price? Thanks Neil ngold@imagina.com Portland, OR USA Neil, Have you tried one of the mail order catalogs, Musicians Friend, Thoroughbred, etc......? They usually have good controllers for both of these applications at good prices. Brian From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:16:43 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 06:13:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZGJP-0003a5-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 06:13:31 -0800 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 16:42:36 CST From: "Brian L Jackson" Message-Id: <9710228802.AA880215002@ccbbn1.dttus.com> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: My Top Ten + Gear Resent-Message-ID: <"FOWhkD.A.9ID.0eud0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1477 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 06:13:31 -0800 X-UIDL: c5eb11e62841d9cf5585a3b6a313bad4 Well, since its too damn hard to come up with my top ten albums of all time, I'll list the Top Ten Cds of the week....... 1. Spiritualized "Pure Phase" 2. Stereolab "Emperor Tomato Ketchup" actually I'd recommend getting anything that has Spiritualized or Stereolab anywhere on it. Stereolabs new album "Dots and Loops" is a collection of loops the band had done. They just arranged them in workable song orders and added. Phenomenal. 3. Jimi Hendrix "Band of Gypsies" 4. De La Soul "Buhloone Mindstate" 5. The Roots "Do You Want More" 6. the Charlatans "Tellin' Stories" 7. Boo Radleys "Giant Steps" 8. The Smiths "the Smiths" 9. Stone Roses "Stone Roses" 10. Smashing Pumpkins "Box set" As far as gear goes: I've been looping my guitar through a JMP-1, into an Alesis Microverb 3 (my Quadraverb 2 is on loan, and has been for way too long), used to go through my Vortex at this point, but its gone:(, into a Jamman. I also have a MPC2000 that I use for drum tracks and samples. I either start the loop off with a drum sequence using Midi Clock to sync to the Jamman or vice versa. I'm just doing this until I can get a hard disk recorder, probably the new Akai DSP12. Looping is great, but I'd love to be able to expand on the loops. Too bad the Jamman doesn't store them. If I really dig a loop, I've been sampling it to the MPC2000. SO, what is everyone else's looping technique, equipment? Brian From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:16:52 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 07:09:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZHBl-0002Me-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 07:09:41 -0800 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 16:42:36 CST From: "Brian L Jackson" Message-Id: <9710228802.AA880214996@ccbbn5.dttus.com> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: My Top Ten + Gear Resent-Message-ID: <"yUnUy.A.h-B.7Svd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1479 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 07:09:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 2027d9dd26cc36cec89f3048b5d924a4 Well, since its too damn hard to come up with my top ten albums of all time, I'll list the Top Ten Cds of the week....... 1. Spiritualized "Pure Phase" 2. Stereolab "Emperor Tomato Ketchup" actually I'd recommend getting anything that has Spiritualized or Stereolab anywhere on it. Stereolabs new album "Dots and Loops" is a collection of loops the band had done. They just arranged them in workable song orders and added. Phenomenal. 3. Jimi Hendrix "Band of Gypsies" 4. De La Soul "Buhloone Mindstate" 5. The Roots "Do You Want More" 6. the Charlatans "Tellin' Stories" 7. Boo Radleys "Giant Steps" 8. The Smiths "the Smiths" 9. Stone Roses "Stone Roses" 10. Smashing Pumpkins "Box set" As far as gear goes: I've been looping my guitar through a JMP-1, into an Alesis Microverb 3 (my Quadraverb 2 is on loan, and has been for way too long), used to go through my Vortex at this point, but its gone:(, into a Jamman. I also have a MPC2000 that I use for drum tracks and samples. I either start the loop off with a drum sequence using Midi Clock to sync to the Jamman or vice versa. I'm just doing this until I can get a hard disk recorder, probably the new Akai DSP12. Looping is great, but I'd love to be able to expand on the loops. Too bad the Jamman doesn't store them. If I really dig a loop, I've been sampling it to the MPC2000. SO, what is everyone else's looping technique, equipment? Brian From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 02:01:32 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 00:16:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYRli-000600-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:15:22 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bcf4a6$6195ffa0$224c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:01:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Robert Tichacek Subject: New Roy Montgomery (was: On being complete nerds) Resent-Message-ID: <"7AOO6C.A.szE.E7-c0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1377 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:15:22 -0800 X-UIDL: 6aa7e7108920e5799afb565f18a24181 Some looper named Jesse wrote: >>Dissolve - Third Album For the Sun > >How's this? Extremely good. For those familiar with Dissolve's _That That Is...Is (Not)_, the new one is texturally richer (keyboards, cello, and percussion have been added to the guitars) and rather more "song" oriented, esp. on the cuts that feature Kaye Woodward of the Bats. For those not familiar with Dissolve, it's a duo of Kiwi-land guitarists Roy Montgomery (see below) and Chris Heaphy who combine lush shimmery atmospheric stuff with thorny experimentalism (think 70's Wire); not sure if there's actual looping going on, but there's a lot of long delay times stacking up guitar textures, providing pulses, etc. I'd certainly reccommend either album to anyone on this list. > >>Roy Montgomery - Two Trajectories > >What's up with this? When did it come out, who put it out, etc? 7" out on Enraptured, fairly recent. A side (45) is a gentle 60's/"Eastern" flavored piece that is quite lovely, B side (33) is a more rocking piece with lots o'fuzz. Big problem: Enraptured is fond of putting out records in very limited editions, and the above is limited to 280 copies (just what the indie/underground music scene needs: *more* elitism and kollektorskum). I think Darren at Drunken Fish Records may have a few lying about (dfr@sirius.com http://www.sirius.com/~dfr); he also has a set o'webpages dedicated to Roy. Roy and/or Dissolve is scheduled to play at the second Ptolemaic Terrascope festival, which I believe is happening in April in San Francisco; as I intend to be moving to that area shortly I won't have to make another mammoth drive like I did for the first one (central VA to Providence RI is not very fun). Font of knowledge Robert T. From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 23:29:34 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 22:15:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYPtb-0004tb-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:15:23 -0800 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:41:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711192341.SAA19489@cliff.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: hail Laswell Resent-Message-ID: <"au5I1B.A.NRB.Kv8c0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1371 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:15:23 -0800 X-UIDL: 61851351dcbc24d77c89abe694bcf41c At 04:04 PM 11/19/97 -0500, you wrote: >Hi everybody! I really enjoy this newsgroup; interestingly enough, I do >not have any of this equipement but I work on a Mac running Deck II (I >know, I know). I'm thinking of switching over soon and so here I am >listening to some experts in the "components" side of sampling. > >I love all the great listening suggestions from you guys! >My top 10 listens right now: > SNIP > >10. Material - Hallucination Engine. What do you guys think of this? I >love it! Bill Laswell, Bernie Worrell.... tell me what you think. > > > > > Yes, Laswell is the Creator (other than some of that weeenie shit with that Japanese synth guy) Also FYLP the Golden Palaminoes the Ginger Baker "Middle Passages" and my fave "Nicky Skoplelitis "Ekstasis" a Mid-East tinged (oops, hope the NSA dosen't flag me for that) psychoswirl of world FUNK even if Laswell never played an instrument in his life, his Axiom label has recorded and produced some of the finest world artists alive . . . check: Mandinka and Fulani Music of Gambia Foday Musa Suso (on CMP) "The Dreamtime" (kora master) Gnawamusic of Marrakesh "Night Spirit Masters" and thes just scratch the surface--check the Axiom'Meta web-site The man should be canonized. Tom This top 10 stuff is serious sh#t--let me mull it over. Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 10:26:51 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 04:40:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYVud-0004x3-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 04:40:51 -0800 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:50:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711192350.SAA22116@cliff.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Nerd Herd Resent-Message-ID: <"pqgAUC.A.M7D.L4Cd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1386 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 04:40:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 00fafe14bee6a99aa235ffc2bced1354 At 09:59 AM 11/19/97 -0500, you wrote: > > >"I have to do this about once a month or so. The geeks start to run amok, >so >you gotta thin out the herd a little." > >WORD :-))) Kim, for those of us who don't get a little chill on the back >of our necks when talking gear, thanks for keeping L'il Loopy D. living in >the broader vein. > Whoa, that seems a little excessive--we equipment nerds aren't like that at all. We love, laugh and fornicate just like you "musical souls". And I'm going to implement those protocols (well, need to work on a partner for two of them ;) right after I burn a few EPROMS for a little gizmo I've been working on . . . NO . . .heck it's a beautiful night--I'm going out! As soon as I find my trusty pocket protector . . CRUNCH--Darn, my glasses--oh well, nothing a little electrical tape can't fix Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 23:29:24 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 17:51:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYLmU-0002z3-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:51:46 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199711200018.QAA13754@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Hallucination Engine To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:18:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "Walt Blackler" at Nov 19, 97 04:04:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aNIg_D.A.KyB.mS5c0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1368 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:51:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 8c222985ad3a89f9596336bd799de733 > 10. Material - Hallucination Engine. What do you guys think of this? I > love it! Bill Laswell, Bernie Worrell.... tell me what you think. One of my favorite CDs. The bass grooves on this CD first started me thinking seriously about taking up the bass. I'm at the point where I'm ready to put up my Gibson 355 for sale and invest in a bass guitar. Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 23:29:20 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 17:00:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYKyg-0005xP-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:00:18 -0800 Message-Id: <199711200034.TAA05983@venice.connection.com> From: "G. Peterson" To: Subject: Logic Audio Users Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:22:40 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"idDYc.A.HWE.si4c0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1367 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:00:18 -0800 X-UIDL: e493ff89eed212340c023165644f98e2 Hi all, I am considering purchasing Logic Audio recording/sequencing system(software and card) for windows 95 I would be very interested to hear any feed back, good or bad from users. I currently am running a 4 track tape machine synched to an old Mac SE, that is running Performer and slaving a few samplers. drum machine, etc. As I am mainly an anolgue type guy (guitars and old pedals), one of my concerns is being able to process some of the tracks through some older funky outboard effects at mixdown. Someone suggested Logic Audio as it has 8 outs which should make thispossible for me. Is this system worth considering or would I be better off (less grief) for instance just running an Adat and a mixer for my home studio writing? Or for that matter, are there any other system set ups similiar to this that you might recommend me checking out. Any and all thoughts and input would be greatly appreciated. Gordon From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 19:45:41 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 19:21:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYjeB-0007aI-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:20:47 -0800 From: "Randy Jones" To: Subject: Parabnormal Was Occult Loop Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:36:22 -0600 Message-ID: <01bcf54c$53cb8e20$75047fce@user.texas.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"HjbFW.A.HQG.-tPd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1427 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:20:47 -0800 X-UIDL: 1defc8d51f5c35054ce1cc3faf8d0b4e Hello, OK I have to put in my idea on this: ( not for the squemish) I have one of those eyeglass thingees that blast your eyeballs with blinking red lights (both intensity and frequency variable). I believe its fast for energizer and slow for relaxation. Beta / Alpha whatever. I put them on and play the guitar, trying to sync the pulse with the drum machine. I want someone to make a midi connector to it! Sometimes when I get in a rut, I put them on and start up all the CD players I have and play five or six of my favorite guitar wangers at once and listen carefully as I spin around in my office chair. This is the thing though: I imagine different color and light intensities depending on the volume, rhythm, melody or whatever, following along or leading, as I play, sort of an body (arm/fingers)/brain loop. Now the kicker: Why canât a vibrator(s) be hooked up in the loop, doing extensions (length/width) and speed variation also with the music. Then it could be body, brain, and butt looping, all to The Beat!.. I know its a little weird, but it would be hard to be complacent about oneâs playing all strapped in and blaring away! Also imagine one for the wo(men) (alternate orifice) in your life. No longer would they just sit there with that bored (you playing the same lick over and over again??) look on their faces! The Butt Looper (you heard it here first) Prototype anyone? Randy Jones From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 23:29:34 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 22:55:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYQW1-0000UY-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:55:05 -0800 Message-ID: <3473890D.6F72@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:49:17 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net Organization: Altruist Music & Radio Sovdep X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Recent listening and self-promotional blurb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZNBWOD.A.dsG.2t9c0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1374 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:55:05 -0800 X-UIDL: 063b7c399262e8e91dd09e7885b9f0d0 No Top 10 list, but these are some things that have caught my ear lately: Stereolab -- "Dots and Loops" Very post-modern, deadpan-ironic take on the whole '50s Space-Age Bachelor Pad/Futurist Lounge Music idea. Not the sort of thing I would have expected myself to like from the descriptions I'd heard of it, but I played a promo copy at work and really enjoyed it. Still can't decide how much of it should be taken seriously and how much is a wry commentary on the retro-futurist slant. Bonus points for several odd-metered tunes, some jungle excursions, and the ever-popular cool, detached European female vocalists crooning heady obscurities over the whole willfully cheesy thing. Spring Heel Jack -- "Busy Curious Thirsty" This might be the best jungle album I've ever heard (which, given my pedigree, isn't necessarily saying much); I'd personally have to give it the nod over recent outtings by Photek, Squarepusher, Talvin Singh et al, even though SHJ are generally not taken very seriously by the jungle community at large. Big band brass samples, distorted basslines, and some allusions to Gamelan and 20th Century classical music (including one drumless 9-minute atonal epic that I still haven't made up my mind about). But it just seems to *work* more consistently and engagingly than any other drum-n-bass disc I've run across. Party music with brains, perhaps... (I doubt any one else on the list will know anything about these last two items, but if nothing else I might win an award for most obscure entry:) Zvuki Mu -- [don't know the title since I can't read Russian] A compilation album of the group Zvuki Mu, one of the definitive underground bands to emerge from the '80s Russian rock scene. This seems to be a compilation CD of various pieces from their career. Some truly beautiful and disturbing material here. Center -- "Made In Paris" A 1989 album by Center, another one of the premier '80s Russian rock bands, who recorded this record for Polygram France at the height of the post-Gorbachev media feeding frenzy that surrounded Soviet rock music at the end of the 1980's. Between the atypical harmonic sensibilities, the Russian lyrics, and the glossy '80s production aesthetic, this is like '80s AOR radio from another planet. [For the truly obscurely-inclined, I'm currently working with Center leader Vasily Shumov on a series of remixes of material from this record; you can download files by checking out http://music.calarts.edu/~shumov/radio/band/. There's much looping to be found, though perhaps not quite of the variety you might expect... For more info on Shumov and Center you can check out two home pages, at http://home.earthlink.net/~lavausa or http://music.calarts.edu/~shumov/radio/] --Andre From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 23:29:31 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 21:05:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYOnn-0000Az-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:05:19 -0800 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:53:14 -0500 (EST) From: haganbr@jmu.edu Subject: finding a jamman Sender: HAGANBR@jmu.edu To: Loopers Delight Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"4ufU2C.A.yjF.O87c0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1369 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:05:19 -0800 X-UIDL: c2a52ae457388ff6d7d2f9b1e503a870 I am relatively new to the looping scene, but after hearing Phil Keaggy play his jamman at a concert I was hooked. I heard they were discontinuing the model. I would desparately like to find one, new or used. I live in Virginia and would like to find one nearby, but I am willing to find it in any place I can throughout the country. If someone knows where I can purchase one for under list price please let me know. Thank you, Brian Hagan Haganbr @jmu.edu From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 23:29:32 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 22:14:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYPsD-0004ld-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:13:57 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.32.19971118234908.00696938@online.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 02:10:08 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: re: nerds Resent-Message-ID: <"qmvNgD.A.kQB.Ev8c0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1370 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:13:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 3996ec037114f2b66c220e748bd335f1 >>Anyway , I have taken up this space because I feel this is stuff that is >>more valuable to us as MUSICIANS , as well as guitarists. I hope we can get >>more discussions on this subject , and thank you Kim , for pionting out >>that the emperor is almost completely nude ( and not very sexy)......chew >>on that , guys!! >> >>Your looper in Norway , Thomas Woehni > >That's exactly it. There's a lot more to music and looping and our >relationship to those things than the junk we plug into to do it. Easy to >forget about that sometimes..... > >kim Ok, but why then talk about the (CD-) output of the others, while we create our own? And then not even list it up on the page "loop artists" ? And how about our own sample CD or label? From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 23:29:31 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 22:14:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYPrt-0004jo-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:13:37 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971118235417.14127.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 02:15:37 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Occult loops Resent-Message-ID: <"yULH7.A.LTB.dv8c0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1373 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:13:37 -0800 X-UIDL: ebbf2d04a0721ae9bec8359a8476fcc0 Twayn opened a very interesting subject: >As a member of an occult fraternal organization, I >have opportunity to investigate the subtler >capabilities of sound looping/delay. I think this is a very serious subject, since we musicians interfere a lot in our listeners minds and maybe should do it a bit more consciously, with some more concrete knowledge about our "tools" and "clients". >Personally, I find that running a static loop for >astral applications (i.e. guided imagery travel) to >be not as effective as a more delay oriented >approach. The evolving effect that can be achieved >with a long delay time and long decay seems to be >more effective for creating a "travelogue." In other words: If the Feedback is all up, the sound holds you down, the music has to develop into a story to give freedom to the soul. Is that too much simplified? Maybe the music has to follow the travel and its not enough to simply change, but it takes the sensibility to create the "sound track" for the others trip? >On the other hand, the hypnotic effect of a repeating >sound (or texture) can also be quite effective. Sorry the silly question: What is the difference between the hypnosis and the imagery travel? Isnt hypnosis used for traveling and regression, too? I probably should go through those experiences myself... :-) I am playing on the roof of a chinese healing center every day (watching sundown) for the terapies instead of rehearsing alone at home. I want to learn and record and install the equipment to keep the whole center in the good working and healing clima all day. People there like the sound and trust me and will end up paying for the whole project. So the other day, just when I wanted to leave and fade my 10 seconds nice harmonic slow continuous wash loop, the tibetanian master (he calls himself "lama") came arround and said: this is perfect sound so I can take my massage now (after giving 10 of them, all day long). So I said: What a pitty I do not have time to play for you. I can leave the loop, but isnt it horrible to hear the same 10 seconds over and over? He: True, give it some more variations! So I multiplied it to 80 seconds, playing some loose melody over it and left. The next day I asked him about the feeling during the massage and he said it was perfect for him to relax. He had heard the same about 50 times and its base even 400 times, but since he did not listen like a musician, he did not mind. So this is probably neither a hypnotic nor a imagery travel situation, but has a bit of both? So did my loop? If we are able to feel whether our public likes our sound, are we aslo able to feel what these people need in their situation? Even better than these people can feel and tell? If do not feel it right, we are not musicians? If there are several people listening (the terapist and the client for example), do we attend them unequaly, or mixed, or one after the other, or do we even synchornize them so they do the same trip together? From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 23:29:33 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 22:14:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYPs8-0004l9-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:13:52 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7906A58B2207D011B4CE00A024CF8B49070936@www.ihs.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 02:15:37 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: RE: Occult loops Resent-Message-ID: <"hDtI4.A.DSB.Vv8c0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1372 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:13:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 9f9fccc56c4d7b6de420a353fd123ef7 >Hi out there! > >Well, I guess if there are weirdoes on this list I'm one of them, so ... hmmm, yes... >Do you know about "Brainwave Synchronization" ???? >It's about getting the brain into a given state of awareness by getting >the sounds in sync with a given brainwave frequency depending on what >state you want to make to listener have ... like dreamy sleep, better >concentration etc. >It's only works with headphones! (What a shame). > >This is just one thing that I'm into of weird stuff ... but enough for >now. Yes I heard about it and I am very interested in knowing more, please tell! Somehow I feel that loops so something similar, but I may be completely wrong... Matthias From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 02:01:34 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 00:30:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYS0I-00072v-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:30:26 -0800 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 01:34:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711200634.BAA23523@newman.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Are you receiving me--Jamman for sale Resent-Message-ID: <"EfgcnC.A.-tF.bH_c0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1378 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:30:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 452b70a4b51fc03d2f62dc12a212369e Kim: I'm not receiving copies of my posts all of the sudden, which given my ready wit sez one of two things: they aren't getting through, or . . . they're not as witty as I think a one word confirm will suffice. Oh, and by the way, brand new Jamman sighting on Marmony Central "Mint, $375" andrewc@interport.net drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 02:01:24 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 23:35:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYR9B-0003Fk-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:35:33 -0800 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 01:52:06 -0500 (EST) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <971120015205_-1106265108@mrin39> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Gear alert Resent-Message-ID: <"v9NvoC.A.l3C.4d-c0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1376 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:35:33 -0800 X-UIDL: ac62cb31ec4cba3b892388063d51421c FYI: Spotted today in the used rack at Sam Ash in New Haven CT: DeltaLab Effectron $149 PCM41 $699 (203) 389-0500 From ???@??? Wed Nov 19 23:29:37 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 19 23:01:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYQcH-0000w2-00; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:01:33 -0800 X-From_:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Wed Nov 19 23:01:10 1997 Old-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 01:28:07 -0500 (EST) From: ZeplinSoup@aol.com Message-ID: <971120012806_-1138847966@mrin85.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Top ten list with quotes Resent-Message-ID: <"OSGA2B.A.P1.vA-c0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1375 Precedence: list X-Diagnostic: /usr/lib/sendmail Loopers-Delight-dist@annihilist.com failed X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:01:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 09a17b412c18c8899eb7e614ae7287c1 Top Ten: Good Idea...I checked out Mr.Bungle (*!) ..finally upon the Nudging of another 10 list. It is always nice to know what one regards as their "top ten" If they think its that good then mabey I should check it out for hoopla (l?) ... These are My Favorites :::: ;; VV _ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1)Mozart - Fantasia in F minor *s preformed by Murray Perahia(piano), and Radu Lapu (piano),* cd is done by the English Chamber Orchestra well...this one is #1 the rest are too hard to reserve place 2)Herbie Hankcock - Head Hunters 3)James Brown - 20 greatest hits ( and lots of great drummin') 4)Jeff Beck - Wired 5)Hendrix-Live at winterland 6)Wagner - symphony of the air *especially the part whose name i dont remember **But is featured in "larry Flint" in the scene where Woody is talking infront of a movie screen playing atrocities at a demonstation ***quote from Wagner-"I am the German Spirit".Consult the incomparable magic of my works;hold them side by side with everything else; you have no choice but to say - this is German" 7)Miles Davis - Kind of Blue,Pangea 8)Genesis - Nursery Crimes 9)Coltrane - A love supreme 10)Pink Floyd - Ummagumma final quote:"Don't bother to look,Ive composed this already." ** Gustav Mahler, to Bruno Walter who had stopped to admire mountain Austria thanks for the record "to buy" lists !! Reeve From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 02:21:10 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 02:20:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYTi5-0007Dr-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 02:19:45 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <971120012806_-1138847966@mrin85.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:51:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Top ten list with quotes Resent-Message-ID: <"GNUV7D.A.mXF.2rAd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1382 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 02:19:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 25b2b94cecf60c8156238e156690b9d5 Status: O X-Status: >Top Ten: >Good Idea...I checked out Mr.Bungle (*!) ..finally upon the >Nudging of another 10 list. >It is always nice to know what one regards as their "top ten" >If they think its that good then mabey I should check it out >for hoopla (l?) ... >These are My Favorites :::: nothing to do with looping so just skip on if you're not interested, but Mr. Bungle is one of my favorite bands ever. They put out the wonderful "Mr. Bungle" album years ago, a strange mix of metal, ska, and demented circus music, with production by John Zorn. Mike Patton was amazing even then, and of course he went on to become a very famous rock star while the rest of Mr. Bungle puttered around playing in the local noise improv bands, probably feeling sorry for themselves since they didn't get to be rich rock stars too. Then finally Patton gets tired of the rock star thing, wanders back, and they produce the sublime "Disco Volante" album. Amusing story: Me: [place bunch of cd's on counter at Amoeba records, including Disco Volante] jaded-yet-hip-amoeba-employee: "you know this is nothing like their last album." me: "that's fine" jyhae: "You're not going to like it. It's very weird" me: "great! I want it then" jyhae: "we played it in the store once, and the owner made us take it off. He banned it from ever being played at amoeba again. Are you sure you want this?" me: "wow, now I definitely want it!" Disco Volante is some kind of strange collision of speed metal, ennio morricone, and avant-noise rock. And patton's vocals are just great - so adventurous and creative. It took a few listens to really grasp the album and start to like it, a bit too much at first I think. But now I really enjoy it. There's so much in there to discover. I've heard their rare live appearances are great, but I've never managed to see one since they always sell out around here. ah well.... >6)Wagner - symphony of the air *especially the part whose name i dont >remember > **But is featured in "larry Flint" in the >scene where Woody is talking That's "Flynt". Sadly, we're not related. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 02:21:06 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 02:10:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYTYW-0006Iz-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 02:09:52 -0800 Message-ID: <3473FB9A.20A@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:58:18 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net Organization: Altruist Music & Radio Sovdep X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recent listening and self-promotional blurb References: <199711200224_MC2-28DB-8172@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"L6zTcD.A.DsE.6jAd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1379 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 02:09:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 7566e55ad16971af5d7ac356d1f062e0 Status: O X-Status: Michael Peters wrote: > Ha! Check this out: > > >Zvuki Mu -- [don't know the title since I can't read Russian] > > Zvuki Mu was originally 'discovered' and produced by Brian Eno. > Here's a webpage ... > http://www.trouserpress.com/bandpages/ZVUKI_MU.html Wow... gotta hand it to you Michael, you know about some seriously obscure music. I've gotta take exception with the Trouser Press reviewer's assessment of the band as less than compelling, though. (Then again, it may just be the Eno record, though with a producer like that, I doubt it). And while of course Eno's involvement had a lot to do with their visibility over here, it's a bit of a disservice to them and their recordings before and after the Opal release to say that Eno "discovered" them, but of course I catch your drift (and without him they likely would never have gigged in America with the Residents, etc. etc...) Woah, a thread on underground '80s Moscow rock bands -- WAAAAY off topic. Sorry... --Andrei From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 02:21:09 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 02:19:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYThl-0007BT-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 02:19:25 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.32.19971118234908.00696938@online.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 01:39:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: re: nerds, music, cd's, looping, volunteering... Resent-Message-ID: <"aZTmDD.A.6WF.urAd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1380 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 02:19:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 72e079dbcb9f3a8fe5ef329552f4b03f Status: O X-Status: At 2:10 AM -0300 11/20/97, Matthias Grob wrote: >>>Anyway , I have taken up this space because I feel this is stuff that is >>>more valuable to us as MUSICIANS , as well as guitarists. I hope we can get >>>more discussions on this subject , and thank you Kim , for pionting out >>>that the emperor is almost completely nude ( and not very sexy)......chew >>>on that , guys!! >>> >>>Your looper in Norway , Thomas Woehni >> >>That's exactly it. There's a lot more to music and looping and our >>relationship to those things than the junk we plug into to do it. Easy to >>forget about that sometimes..... >> >>kim > >Ok, but why then talk about the (CD-) output of the others, while we create >our own? Because we don't always create, often we just listen. And if someone else is finding some music inspiring or moving or just interesting, maybe others will too! It's a good thing to share some of the great music we have all experienced. Many of the artists people listed are great loopers, and it is almost certain that nobody here has heard everything mentioned. We probably all have new items on our "cd's to buy list" after the last couple of days! Also, I think that talks like this bring us closer together as a community. Musical tastes reflect a lot of things about our personalities and lives and experiences, and by sharing them we open those parts of ourselves to the others in a way that is easy and comfortable. We get to know each other better and can more easily move from there to richer conversation. I learned a lot about some people here that I didn't expect, and I'm happy about that! And I was also glad to see a number of people venture out who had been shy about posting so far. We're glad to have you, please continue to share your thoughts.... The cd lists maybe are not always about looping, but that's fine. It's easy to move from there back to the loop. But actually, it is about looping if you step back a bit and look at the whole of it. Our collective listening habits reflect a remarkable amount of diversity here, in our looping community. Looping is not stuck in one genre, it crosses a lot of boundaries. These differences among us are opportunities to grow. We can learn from others what we never would have realized on our own, and bring those new ideas back to our own part of the universe. One of my motivations to create Looper's Delight was from my experiences doing occasional tech support for expert echoplex users while I was still at gibson. I was amazed that these people were coming from radically different backgrounds, yet all finding a use for this remarkable creative method! And the different perpectives and musical directions led to different approaches to looping. I thought: these people need to share their ideas with each other! Everyone could take such a leap forward....and so here we are! >And then not even list it up on the page "loop artists" ? Yes, that part still needs work. Looper's Delight is mostly a volunteer effort. Like I've said many times, if it were just me doing this, it would really suck. There are many people helping out and doing a wonderful job. But there is still more to do! The Loop Artists section of the web site is a good example. It desperately needs a loving owner. Please, please, if you have any interest in this, let me know. It's not even hard, I'm sure you could get plenty of help and contributions from the list. >And how about our own sample CD or label? There was the cd project from long ago, but the guy organizing it disappeared. Anybody want to take a project like that? Or maybe we even set up RealAudio sites? Anything is possible. I'm patient. It might not be perfect by tomorrow, but it gets a little closer all the time. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 02:21:11 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 02:20:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYTiG-0007Eu-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 02:19:56 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 02:01:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: ZeplinSoup@aol.com (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Top ten list with quotes Resent-Message-ID: <"PD48hD.A.aXF.0rAd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1381 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 02:19:56 -0800 X-UIDL: b7419a29bb65e4381aff21de1800db5e Status: O X-Status: Top Ten: Good Idea...I checked out Mr.Bungle (*!) ..finally upon the Nudging of another 10 list. It is always nice to know what one regards as their "top ten" If they think its that good then mabey I should check it out for hoopla (l?) ... These are My Favorites :::: ;; VV _ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1)Mozart - Fantasia in F minor *s preformed by Murray Perahia(piano), and Radu Lapu (piano),* cd is done by the English Chamber Orchestra well...this one is #1 the rest are too hard to reserve place 2)Herbie Hankcock - Head Hunters 3)James Brown - 20 greatest hits ( and lots of great drummin') 4)Jeff Beck - Wired 5)Hendrix-Live at winterland 6)Wagner - symphony of the air *especially the part whose name i dont remember **But is featured in "larry Flint" in the scene where Woody is talking infront of a movie screen playing atrocities at a demonstation ***quote from Wagner-"I am the German Spirit".Consult the incomparable magic of my works;hold them side by side with everything else; you have no choice but to say - this is German" 7)Miles Davis - Kind of Blue,Pangea 8)Genesis - Nursery Crimes 9)Coltrane - A love supreme 10)Pink Floyd - Ummagumma final quote:"Don't bother to look,Ive composed this already." ** Gustav Mahler, to Bruno Walter who had stopped to admire mountain Austria thanks for the record "to buy" lists !! Reeve From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 10:26:49 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 04:14:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYVUu-0002BP-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 04:14:16 -0800 X-Envelope-Sender-Is: Juergen.Haible@nbgm.siemens.de (at relayer mail.fth.sbs.de) Message-ID: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820F8B85@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> From: Haible Juergen To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: AW: Greg Howard. Looping. Current Listening. Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:02:46 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"1OvqZC.A.AJB.ybCd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1385 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 04:14:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 0a657223eb1d0a6ddfb4606c55b0e6e4 > 4/6. RF Pie Jesu, The Outer Darkness and November Suite (one of >RF's best Soundscapes so far) "Pie Jesu" is wonderful. I love this, and "Blessing of Tears", more than my other Fripp Soundscape CDs. I was looking for "Outer darkness" everywhere (in Germany), but I cannot get it for some reason. And I haven't heard of "November Suite" ... Where did you get these? JH. From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 10:27:26 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 09:59:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYasY-0003RR-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:59:02 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:17:26 +0300 Message-ID: <00005BEA.4007@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re: I'm Volunteering!!!!!! To: , "Matt McCabe" Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"jbVt.A.KDC.ieHd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1393 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:59:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 5383e5845838d6505702d1e3fc3d2f5f If you need aproval you already got mine. Miguel ___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________ Assunto: I'm Volunteering!!!!!! Autor: "Matt McCabe" na internet Data: 20/11/1997 08:06 > From: Kim Flint > >And how about our own sample CD or label? > > There was the cd project from long ago, but the guy organizing it > disappeared. Anybody want to take a project like that? Or maybe we even set > up RealAudio sites? Anything is possible. I hereby volunteer to organize the CD project. Uhh....should we take a vote? I freelance at a local studio and therefore have FREE (I didn't say that) access to various pieces of recording gear that will come in handy for compiling submissions (ProTools, ADAT, DAT, etc). Heck, I can even process credit card orders should we wish to release the CD to the world and make MILLIONS....errrr....spread the good word (you know, Looping). I'll wait for the official stamp of approval before proceeding. Matt From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 10:27:07 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 08:22:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYZMc-0001nv-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:21:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199711201557.HAA24064@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: I'm Volunteering!!!!!! Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:06:51 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hXYu7D.A.wb.k-Fd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1389 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:21:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 40574cc7b7e286e0094518ae114ce96c > From: Kim Flint > >And how about our own sample CD or label? > > There was the cd project from long ago, but the guy organizing it > disappeared. Anybody want to take a project like that? Or maybe we even set > up RealAudio sites? Anything is possible. I hereby volunteer to organize the CD project. Uhh....should we take a vote? I freelance at a local studio and therefore have FREE (I didn't say that) access to various pieces of recording gear that will come in handy for compiling submissions (ProTools, ADAT, DAT, etc). Heck, I can even process credit card orders should we wish to release the CD to the world and make MILLIONS....errrr....spread the good word (you know, Looping). I'll wait for the official stamp of approval before proceeding. Matt From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 10:27:06 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 08:19:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYZJu-0001TF-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:19:10 -0800 X-From_:nyfac2@nyfac.com Thu Nov 20 08:19:08 1997 Received: from mail2.panix.com [198.7.0.33] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYZJr-0001Sl-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:19:07 -0800 Received: from nyfac ([206.133.60.162]) by mail2.panix.com (8.8.5/8.7.1/PanixM1.0) with SMTP id LAA06026 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:19:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <347478F2.167E@nyfac.com> Old-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:52:50 -0500 From: nyfac Organization: New York Film & Animation Co. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SGoldC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: My nerdiness cannot be denied! (or: Remember that sustainer retrofit...?) References: <14585925601028@cfpa.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:19:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 21f67a1c5fee557a03668e32042732a4 I like my toys, and I'm proud of it, dammit! Anybody remember the name of that company that was retrofiting strats with those Michael Brood-like devices? They sent me a catalog, but those gremlins hid it again.... Trevor From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 10:27:14 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 09:14:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYaBI-0006Tg-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:14:20 -0800 X-Sender: ngold@mail.imagina.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711200034.TAA05983@venice.connection.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:06:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Neil Goldstein Subject: Re: Logic Audio Users Resent-Message-ID: <"IsaDZ.A._QF.I2Gd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1390 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:14:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 529d8fdefdc8848a60019c10f6dca484 >Someone suggested Logic Audio as it has 8 outs which should make >thispossible for me. That is the Audiowerk card which is hardware. Check out the emagic website for more info. do a search on your web browser. I use Logic after having used the other seqs and find it to be the most powerful, though there is some learning at the start. Very powerful. The reviews on the card seem positive. Neil ngold@imagina.com Portland, OR USA From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 10:27:15 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 09:29:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYaPb-0000M3-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:29:07 -0800 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:16:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711201716.MAA05269@user1.channel1.com> X-Sender: seahorse@user1.channel1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: Re: Top 10 and occult Resent-Message-ID: <"6i6rKC.A.3SG.zBHd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1391 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:29:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 9daad80e7fbd5bc76eddedc31d8cd89d A quick look at what I've been listening to lately shows me I'm not listening to a lot of loopy stuff at the moment. I go through phases. So, in no particular order, Rimiti- Sidi Monsour- a great cd by a 70+ year old Algerian woman with Fripp, Flea, Ray Gomez and a whole slew of other folks. Amazing stuff. Dead Can Dance - random tape collections from all their albums (or at least a lot of them) Huun Hur Tu/ Bulgarian Womens Choir (or whatever it is they've changed their name to- some beautiful meditative pieces here Yes - Relayer I forgot how much I like this record Gypsy Flamenco recordings by Lole Y Manuel, FBernarda de Utrera, Terremoto de Jerez and a few others Robin Williamson Songs for the Mabinogi a great album of atmosphereic soundtracy type stuff on a wide variety of old acoustic instruments Beatles - I was out sick yesterday and spent time regressing and listened to their entire recoded output (the legit stufdf, I'd still be there now if I added in the bootlegs) King Crimson - Islands- an all time favorite If the thread isn't dead by next week (I'm away from the computer for the next several days and need to actually get some work done before I disappear) I have some thoughts on the music and the occult thread as well, so please, keep it going for a few days. Frank Gerace Dreamchild At 01:40 PM 11/19/97 -0800, you wrote: >My top 10 list of most played discs is heavily influenced by hanging out >with my 8 yr old daughter who is a top 40 and "alternative" fan, and a >limited budget for buying CDs (too much spent on my own gear): > >1. Spice Girls (some of the production is admirable...) >2. Sarah McLaghlan (grows on you, beautiful) >3. XTC (my fav band by far, new album to be out in 5/98 I hear) >4. Talvin Singh presents Soundz of the Asian Underground >5. new Bjork >6. Fleetwood Mac live >7. Brian Wilson and Van Dyke Parks "Orange Crate Art" >8. Beatles Anthology >9.. > >I'm too involved in creating my own shit to listen much to other music, and >find there's not enough time and money to hear all the great stuff people >recommend. I have a band doing trad songs with vocals and harmony (working >on CD and refining writing and arranging), but have tendency to do >experimental stuff on my own. > >Looping: > >My "typical" loop trip is using a VG8 into a JamMan and Vortex, sometime >synced to an MC303. I was recently given a beautifyl kalimba which I've >looped along with an African drum for some fey World music soundz. > >I am a huge fan of Logic Audio and spend lots of time working within that >environment working on captured loops and adding improv guitar or K2000 >tweaks. > >Thanks for all the cool recommends for techniques and discs. > >Great list! > > > > > >Neil >ngold@imagina.com >Portland, OR USA > > > > > From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 19:45:13 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 15:50:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYgME-0001E9-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:50:02 -0800 Message-Id: <199711202316.PAA19482@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: Occult loops Date: Thu, 20 Nov 97 17:20:39 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"ROxxoB.A.AyG.BkMd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1415 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:50:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 442e886d1753bcc3db88889645801ab6 >The general principle I am aware of is that the brain, when exposed to >stimuli within the range of brainwave frequencies, can change it's >(the brain's) frequency to match the stimulus. This has been called >entrainment. > >I initially encountered this using light as the stimulus. Though I >had experimented in the 70's with xenon strobes modified to flash >within the beta range. The strobes I saw at the time had labels >warning NOT to do this, so I had to see why. The chief problem I had >at the time was that my strobe was not very regular in frequency, it >would drop beats unpredictably. I did notice interesting visual >patterns and colors when the light was flashing a few inches from my >eyes, with my eyes closed. What I saw was sort of a geometric grid, >like an infinite tunnel. The colors would be complementary, say red >and green, or purple and yellow. Oh geez, is this like that gadget in "Exorcist II"? Travis From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 10:27:16 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 09:36:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYaWM-00015m-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:36:07 -0800 Message-Id: <199711201716.JAA27183@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: Logic Audio Users Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:26:08 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ouwaDD.A.OGH.vIHd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1392 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:36:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 6c193af0951d00a92cf2ba19c9dc02cf > From: G. Peterson > Hi all, I am considering purchasing Logic Audio > recording/sequencing system(software and card) for windows 95 > I would be very interested to hear any feed back, good or bad from users. I've been using Logic Audio for a little over 2 years now. I love it!! It's a little intimidating to learn at first but once you figure a few things out it's really quite simple to use. > As I am mainly an anolgue type guy (guitars and old pedals), one of my > concerns is being able to process some of the tracks through some older > funky outboard effects at mixdown. You'll probably want to invest in a mixer to do this effectively. I use a Mackie 1604 at home, but anything will work. My soundcard only has two outputs, but by panning vocals to the right and everything else to the left I'm able to process the vocals separately. Of course, this arrangement is pretty limiting if you are doing a full blown mix but it can be made to work. > Someone suggested Logic Audio as it has 8 outs which should make > thispossible for me. Emagic's soundcard is called Audiowerk 8 (retails for around $650). It's 18 bit, 2 analog inputs, 8 analog outputs, stereo S/PDIF in/outs. You also might want to check out Event Electronics soundcards. Their top-of-the-line Layla soundcard is only $899 and has 8 in, 12 out and S/PDIF in/outs. Under that they have the Gina and one other card. I think the Gina is pretty comparable to the Audiowerk 8. There are tones of other cards out there as well. > Is this system worth considering or would I be better off (less grief) for > instance just running an Adat and a mixer for my home studio writing? Yes, the system is worth considering. Having the ability to rearrange your songs after the fact is wonderful for songwriting proposes. Just remember to get yourself a BIG hard drive...you'll need it. With an ADAT you'll sacrifice the ability to rearrange and cut and paste your songs, but gain the ability to take your tracks to just about any studio in the world without hauling in your computer and/or hard drive for mixdown or whatever. It really just comes down to how you see yourself working. Hope that helps! Matt From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 19:44:58 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 12:46:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYdU3-0005cG-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:45:55 -0800 Message-ID: <3474726A.7E1F@artnet.net> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:27:30 -0800 From: "Eric R. Fischer" Reply-To: efisch@artnet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: CD sampler, new box, Echoplex fixed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7wbk-C.A.oxD.U3Jd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1403 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:45:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 0fd89aad95cafe810eee9eeb36db4d1c I love the idea of a Loopers CD! Anything I can do to help - please let me know . I work in a studio in LA, and also have a friend who has a mastering facility in WA state. He does CD replicating too. I can get us a great deal. On another note...the studio I work in got an Alesis "Wedge" for free from them. I spent a few hours futsing with it and was very impressed. The interface is very easy to use and it sounded pretty good for the buck (@$500.00?). It also has a max delay time of 5.4 seconds (nonexpandable I'm sure) so naturally I thought of us! it has the usual compliments of verbs & chorus's. If you can only afford one or two boxes, acouple of these would be very powerful. One would be great for processing a loop machine. Lastly, I'm due to get my Echoplex back from Oberhiem this week. Pat Murphy was very helpful in finding out what the status of my repair was and following thru on it.. I feel a little guilty about my last slightly angry post, but I sometimes you gotta vent. I'm looking forward to trying the new software (especially the lower gate threshold!). Seems like Oberhiem is trying to win over the people who have gotten bad impressions. A good strategy. Thats all for now.... Eric R. Fischer From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 19:44:55 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 12:27:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYdBj-0003eC-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:26:59 -0800 Message-Id: <199711201732.RAA09785@beryl.sol.co.uk> From: "John Stevens" To: "LOOPERS-DELIGHT" Subject: November Suite DGM Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:36:52 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xF-pQ.A.s0B.NlJd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1402 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:26:59 -0800 X-UIDL: c4960e6080497edd211f9b9e118e1008 Thr primary source for all things Fripp/KC is Discipline Global Mobile, who can be contacted at: PO Box 1533 Salisbury Wiltshire SP5 5ER UK Fax: (44) 1722 781 042 Email: DGM@disciplinegm.demon.co.uk They can supply Cds, videos, postcards, posters etc for artists in the Fripp/Crimson circle. Cds average £12 (excellent value) plus handling charge and I have found them to be very efficient ie usually 7 days or less from ordering to receiving goods. John Stevens From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 19:45:42 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 19:25:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYjir-0000C9-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:25:37 -0800 Message-ID: Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "Loopers" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Chris Darrow" Subject: Is this note getting through? Date: Thu, 20 Nov 97 10:05:43 PST Content-Type: text/plain; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FetArD.A.IpG.fyPd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1428 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:25:37 -0800 X-UIDL: 4835ee14bc2d9d97739927d0334f271f Just a simple yes from anyone will do. I haven't ever seen my message come back to be (I've only sent three or so, only one with a reply) and so I didn't think it was supposed to. Thanks. chris From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:17:19 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 14:45:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZOIt-0007G1-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:45:31 -0800 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 97 12:17:37 CST From: "Brian L Jackson" Message-Id: <9710228802.AA880245722@ccbbn1.dttus.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re[2]: I'm Volunteering!!!!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"uM8VeB.A.OjG.4-1d0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1492 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:45:31 -0800 X-UIDL: 10e7aef00fad52ce61dd3301c972164a Go for it Matt! I think its a great idea. It would really shed some light on the different styles of this list and the different ways people are utilizing their equipment/imaginations. What kind of format would we need our loops to be on in order for this compilation. Any ideas? Brian > From: Kim Flint > >And how about our own sample CD or label? > > There was the cd project from long ago, but the guy organizing it > disappeared. Anybody want to take a project like that? Or maybe we even set > up RealAudio sites? Anything is possible. I hereby volunteer to organize the CD project. Uhh....should we take a vote? I freelance at a local studio and therefore have FREE (I didn't say that) access to various pieces of recording gear that will come in handy for compiling submissions (ProTools, ADAT, DAT, etc). Heck, I can even process credit card orders should we wish to release the CD to the world and make MILLIONS....errrr....spread the good word (you know, Looping). I'll wait for the official stamp of approval before proceeding. Matt From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 12:14:36 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 10:55:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYbkw-0001Rv-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:55:14 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCF5A0.7043DF40.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Controller pedal (and Vortex footswitches) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:30:41 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2-fvK.A.y9G.rOId0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1394 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:55:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 3f932cd34d9ef8181397d54dbeeda4a9 >Anybody have a source for buying a controller pedal (for midi cc and >Vortex) at a good price? >Thanks >Neil >ngold@imagina.com >Portland, OR USA Don't get your hopes up... this one's not an errant private post. %^) I'm sidestepping your question about the cc/expression pedal, Neil. However, it did remind me of something I was told recently, maybe news to some, it was to me. (This info was probably posted the day before I started subscribing to the list!) Thank you, Greg H. for also confirming this: Vortex footswitches can still be ordered from Lexicon - take it from there Greg... Discpic of the day: "Talking Timbuktu" Ali Farka Toure with Ry Cooder, and special guests Clarence 'Gatemouth' Brown, Jim Keltner, and John Patitucci. Morph on (More fun?) laurie >From list-relay@mailbox2.ucsd.edu Thu Nov 20 11:19:06 1997 From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 12:14:36 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 10:55:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYbkp-0001RF-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:55:07 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCF5A0.74190320.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: nerds, music, cd's, looping, volunteering... Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:38:06 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"x43g3C.A.N_G.0OId0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1395 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:55:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 6919065f7d62f7a7d9f5f7f1122cd8a5 Kim wrote: >Also, I think that talks like this bring us closer together as a community. >Musical tastes reflect a lot of things about our personalities and lives >and experiences, and by sharing them we open those parts of ourselves to >the others in a way that is easy and comfortable. We get to know each other >better and can more easily move from there to richer conversation. I >learned a lot about some people here that I didn't expect, and I'm happy >about that! And I was also glad to see a number of people venture out who >had been shy about posting so far. We're glad to have you, please continue >to share your thoughts.... Thanks Kim! And so I will. >The cd lists maybe are not always about looping, but that's fine. It's easy >to move from there back to the loop. But actually, it is about looping if >you step back a bit and look at the whole of it. Stepping back...indeed, it is not necessarily the tool that defines the loop. It is all too easy to assign that musically divine function exclusively to our various beloved looping instruments. Those tools are, however, inspiring and responsive co-creators with which we bring our internal loops to fruition. And using them teaches us to more perceptively recognize the loop in *all* that we hear (both within and without), regardless of source. >Our collective listening >habits reflect a remarkable amount of diversity here, in our looping >community. Looping is not stuck in one genre, it crosses a lot of >boundaries. These differences among us are opportunities to grow. We can >learn from others what we never would have realized on our own, and bring >those new ideas back to our own part of the universe. That's an understatement! This exchange has been fascinating. Thanks everybody... laurie >From lists@slip.net Thu Nov 20 10:55:21 1997 From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 12:14:39 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 11:22:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYcAq-0004J0-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:22:00 -0800 From: bryan.helm@dinosaur.com Message-ID: <9711201158.0GTHH00@dinosaur.com> Organization: The Dinosaur Board X-Mailer: TBBS/TIGER v1.0 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 97 11:58:20 -0700 Subject: Tennish To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"02ZZi.A.6LC.EmId0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1396 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:22:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 7208ddfa13ce4e435b1218284a9e866f What am I listening too? Truth be known... 1. The difference between the way the train horn resonates now as opposed to mid summer, the absence of leaves, the presence of snow, all the variations of the way the engineer signals with it, how it blends in with whatever I'm listening to, how it sounds at my house as opposed to other parts of town or out on the plains. The tracks are a mile away and the stereo is glorious. 2. My aging clothes dryer which (my brother tells me) is wearing out a bearing, hence the wonderfull polyrhytmic tumbling antics that erupt every new load of clothes dryed( with 2 boys 8 & 13 yrs dirty clothes are plentiful). Latin jazz seems to benefit most directly from this device's ambience. 3. Various and sundry video game soundtracks as it were, my personal favorite is the music for the N-64 Star Wars game which almost makes John Williams an ambient artist, or at least a minimalist if you just let the game idle. I don't play but listening is cool. 4. My last few looping adventures, gotta work on shorter pieces, the minutes add up fast. Trying to utilize more varied and shorter duration loops to expand the pallette in lieu of expanding the loop memory (pronounced $$$$). Enjoying the results of Vortexing slowed down sounds on the EH-16, big metal scraping noises, a prepared 11 string guitar. The same set-up was great for this years Halloween tape, this years victim the Tocatta and Fugue married with screams and laughs thru twisted pitch fits and scary synth noise, apologies to J.S.B. 5. Sylvian/Fripp- Damage---If you want to hear R.F. really play with enthusiasm, this and the live League of Gentleman disc are among the best examples released in recent years. Though the performances are I think 14 years apart, and the bands, instrumentation and intent are quite different, I think both these recordings are great examples of Fripp's tactal and textural control as a guitarist, and "Damage" shows in a wonderfully lush way how powerful loops are as part of a multi-instrument configuration. 6. Lol Creme & Kevin Godley---visionary misfits on vinyl still shine brightly..."Consequences"...the whole catalog of the doowop-R&B Hebrew duo is still viable listening. And talk about production technique....for the time..... 7. Walter/Wendy Carlos-- Different titles but specificly the piece titled "Timesteps" from the "Clokwork Orange" album by Carlos (the edited version appears on the soundtrack lp). Pioneering tales from analog land. 8.Thelonius Monk- "Solo Monk"--This collection of tunes just keeps getting better.Nobody like him! 9.The Finn Brothers-- In Split Enz,Crowded House, Tim and Neil always entertain and amuse, and the live duo show was one of the most musically entertaining concerts that I've been to over the last 25 years. 10.Suzanne Vega- "Nine Objects of Desire"----The marriage literally and figurtively of S.Vega to one Mitch Froom and his accompanying techniques and devices make this disc very listenable,smart and sincere. It's no Top-10, but it's what got heard most recently here... Bryan Helm Techno-Primitive Longmont,CO "Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a good book. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." G. Marx From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 12:14:38 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 11:21:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYcAf-0004HQ-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:21:49 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971120140435.006f356c@dharma.mitre.org> X-Sender: seligman@dharma.mitre.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:04:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Len Seligman Subject: Discipline Global Mobile In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19971120165559.1e275d8a@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> References: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820F8B85@nbgm336a.nbgm.sieme ns.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"5bjO7C.A.3nC.MqId0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1397 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:21:49 -0800 X-UIDL: e73b9efaea2c86160a76b0e2f4897d1e At 04:55 PM 11/20/97, Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D. wrote: >>"Pie Jesu" is wonderful. I love this, and "Blessing of Tears", more than >>my other Fripp Soundscape CDs. >>I was looking for "Outer darkness" everywhere (in Germany), but I cannot >>get it for some reason. And I haven't heard of "November Suite" ... >>Where did you get these? > >They're available, direct-only, from Discipline Global Mobile. The albums >are to be found on www.discipline.co.uk, along with 1-minute samples from >all the albums in the DGM catalogue. You also get the story behind the >November suite, which is (a) slightly sad (b) something we could all >probably relate to and (c) quite amusing in parts, including Fripp's >post-gig grocery shopping. Thanks to Michael Hughes for posting the info on Discipline Global Mobile, Fripp's very interesting indie label. The web site Michael mentioned, http://www.discipline.co.uk has lots of great stuff in it, including some scathing commentary on the mainstream music biz. Unfortunately, GDM doesn't yet have on-line ordering, so you have to do it by mail. The UK address is listed at the web site, but to request a catalog in the US, you have to send a request with your name and address to PossProd@aol.com. It looks like a label worth supporting. -Len From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 19:45:01 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 13:08:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYdpy-00004V-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:08:34 -0800 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: Top ten list with quotes Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:11:09 +0100 Message-ID: <19971120191105015.AAA242@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"KVQ8MC.A.J6F.YMKd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1405 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:08:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 291bedf22772798afc35f97aefce2dd7 >Disco Volante is some kind of strange collision of speed metal, ennio >morricone, and avant-noise rock. And patton's vocals are just great - so >adventurous and creative. It took a few listens to really grasp the album >and start to like it, a bit too much at first I think. But now I really >enjoy it. There's so much in there to discover. I've heard their rare live >appearances are great, but I've never managed to see one since they always >sell out around here. ah well.... > Last year I've seen Mr. Bungle live, here in Florence. Well, I already knew their records (one of my favourite bands too) but the live show was really shocking. They were all (exept patton) wearing strange masks and their live setup was enormous. Mick only had 5-6 mics, each one processed by a center stage rack bigger than a frigo-bar. Plus bass, guitar, keyboards and drums. The striking aspect of their show was not their noisy, wild industrial approach of some part of the performance. It was the incredible fidelity in playing their song from the records (Mr. Bungle and Disco Volante). And if you know their albums you know that's impossible to play EXACTLY the same recorded versions. Well, they did it. Same sounds, same breaks, same tempo changes, same samplings and noises. Check them out if you can. ciao leo From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 12:14:46 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 11:34:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYcMR-0005eO-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:33:59 -0800 From: "Jim Mallon" Organization: Franklin Pierce College To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:16:25 EST Subject: Unsubscribe Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-ID: <16EFD9E29FD@academic.fpc.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"TOK-GB.A.CgD.QyId0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1398 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:33:59 -0800 X-UIDL: aff30c38f9c7cfe8735645b4c7e9a118 The ant and I worlds apart yet share the same space - Old proverb From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 12:14:48 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 11:47:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYcYz-00075a-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:46:57 -0800 From: "Jim Mallon" Organization: Franklin Pierce College To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:30:46 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Unsubscribe Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <16F3AE52B87@academic.fpc.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"BV9vUB.A.y_E.-_Id0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1399 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:46:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 439ea956af7d3fff6fa1a8bdef19904b Get me off this crazy thing In a puff of cyber smoke I arrive and in a booming voice heard over the www and internet. I proclaim " I am the technomancer " From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 12:14:49 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 11:50:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYccE-0007SX-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:50:18 -0800 From: "Jim Mallon" Organization: Franklin Pierce College To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:31:35 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Unsubscribe Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <16F3E690C25@academic.fpc.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"rnjIE.A.8sF.JGJd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1400 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:50:18 -0800 X-UIDL: ca2c5876d6fcc827c167b92d3c9c25f7 Get me off this crazy thing. In a puff of cyber smoke I arrive and in a booming voice heard over the www and internet. I proclaim " I am the technomancer " From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 19:44:54 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 12:21:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYd5u-00031Z-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:20:58 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971120194450.0069cfd8@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:44:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Unsubscribe Resent-Message-ID: <"m-SNnB.A.cVB.wgJd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1401 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:20:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 2995443d612ff486fbe823524d01fd7a At 02:30 PM 11/20/97 EST, Jim Mallon wrote: >Get me off this crazy thing > In a puff of cyber smoke I arrive and in > a booming voice heard over the www and internet. > I proclaim > " I am the technomancer " ^^^^^^^^^^^^ but apparently not enough of one to save the mails that explain how to unsubscribe from mailing lists, or check the website where the whole process is also carefully explained! to unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject and body to: Loopers-delight-request@annihilist.com do not include signature files, witty quotes, or any attempts at conversational banter. The mailing server has no sense of humor and little patience for that sort of thing and will ignore your request. Also, please carefully note the way that unsubscribe is spelled. You should take care to spell it the same way. kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 19:45:34 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 18:03:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYeTA-00032f-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:49:04 -0800 Received: from arl-img-8.compuserve.com [149.174.217.138] by ferret with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYe66-0001Dc-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:25:14 -0800 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by arl-img-8.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.9) id PAA23171 for Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:01:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:56:42 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: Sustainer, Forcione To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199711201456_MC2-28EF-837F@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: SmartList X-UIDL: 9d6a6a25f93bd1700cf01cac3fdcaea4 Michael P. Hughes asked, >do you Ststainer-equipped types out there get much >feedback of more than one note? When I tried a sustainer most feedback >happened around one note - so the main advantage over an Ebow was that you >don't have to hold it! no, that doesn't do it justice. It's true that (at least with the old sustainer that I have - there is a new one that's supposed to be better) one of the strings tends to succeed over the other ones, but it depends, sometimes you get several strings to vibrate. If you're used to an Ebow, and then get a Sustainer guitar, it feels very liberating. You can play freely without having to hold this thing in your hand, and this free playing in combination with the sustained notes gives you a whole new vocabulary of expression. The guitar reacts very differently, more as if you had a real feedback sustain from a loud amp behind you. Plus, you get all sorts of weird harmonic effects. This doesn't mean that an Ebow isn't a cool device - I still use the Ebow: you can do different things with it. If you can get hold of a Sustainer guitar, buy it - you'll love it. I wouldn't trade mine for anything. ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 19:45:01 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 13:45:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYeOu-0002jg-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:44:40 -0800 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:56:44 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: I'm Volunteering!!!!!! Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199711201456_MC2-28EF-8383@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"pKlvH.A.WTB.2qKd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1407 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:44:40 -0800 X-UIDL: 0f0b591253458e563addd48cf0695afd Kim said, >There was the cd project from long ago, >but the guy organizing it disappeared. Disappeared? Have you tried to reach him recently? Matt, if you want to take care of this thing, you should try to contact that guy anyway - his name is Ray Peck and he had already collected a number of tapes for the CD, some money, and maybe he had even done some work on this. Maybe you can continue where he stopped. ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 19:44:57 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 12:46:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYdU2-0005bq-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:45:54 -0800 Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Another Sucker Bites! :) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:58:13 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf5ee$a2390a40$0d3bd4cc@CIS.compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"FWJAUB.A.82D.D4Jd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1404 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:45:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 262735d5491ed418d14108c10d02da25 I'll volunteer to do conversion from tape/CD to .wav/.RA files if needed. I've just completed my integration project with my sound system and PC, and done my QA on it. Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 19:45:03 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 13:38:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYeI5-0002HB-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:37:37 -0800 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:56:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: JSPEEr Subject: bye for now... Resent-Message-ID: <"WUa2r.A.fn.HiKd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1406 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:37:37 -0800 X-UIDL: 5528fe8700cb846c573dfd8be79fac13 Hi all, Due to work circumstances, I must temporarilly unsubscribe from Loopers Delight. Normally I wouldn't consider my departure of such import, but for those of you who are anticipating my organization of the Mid-Atlantic Loop Show, I assure you that I am still good to go on it! I have your names and addresses and will be contacting you soon, I hope. Jim Speer Philadelphia From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 19:45:26 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 16:44:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYexR-0005Hy-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:20:21 -0800 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:27:37 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Occult loops In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"YV-qvC.A.f_D.zRLd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1409 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:20:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 6f7d0891fde22531ed97bac03c2ea95e This makes me think of a particular musical experience, tho not loop-based (actually, I thought of it last night, so it's fresh). I was listening to an album by the Music Improvisation Company, a free improv group that included Derek Bailey, Jamie Muir (the brief King Crimson percussionist), Evan Parker, and others. I was alone, in total concentration, lost in the music. It built to a frenzy of sorts, then gradually quieted down into random pings, bleeps, scraping noises, etc. Those who know Derek Bailey know what I mean... At some point, I realized that sound was no longer coming from the stereo. The musicians had been silent for some time. I had been listening to background noise, thinking it was part of the music! Cars driving by, the heat kicking on and off, the cats scampering in the next room... all of these had become music. The musicians had integrated themselves into the environment, then left, and I didn't even notice. Kinda puts John Cage's trick into perspective, doesn't it? -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 19:45:41 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 19:05:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYjP4-0006Dw-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:05:10 -0800 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:36:49 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Occult loops In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"wEA15B.A.QxE.LfPd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1426 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:05:10 -0800 X-UIDL: fbfbbcb30d51a5dec12861d2f9b6ccce Hmm... as long as I'm talking about exotic musical experiences, here's another one that stands out. One Halloween, my roommate and I decided to drop acid and go to a big party. At this point, a huge amount of cheap LSD was in town. Every time we turned around at the party, some friend or other offered us more. Needless to say, I have no idea how much acid we took (or how we got home, for that matter.. at least we were on foot). When we got home, we decided to put on an Edgar Varese album I had checked out from the library (Varese was a major inspiration for Zappa). By the end of the first side, we were totally terrified by this music. We looked at each other, scared to death, and flipped it over to listen to the other side. That was one of the most frightening things I ever did. I was too scared to NOT listen. After that, I learned to appreciate Varese on other levels. He was brilliant at imitating other senses with sound. One piece, for percussion and woodwinds, sounds EXACTLY like a migraine headache. Again, this will only make sense if you have migraines. But he caught the particular legato rhythm and background noise of a migraine, somehow. Having suffered migraines all my life, I admire the piece more than enjoy it. Another interesting Varese composition is a VERY early tape and electronics composition he made for the 1951 World's Fair (it was meant to be played in quadraphonic, in a specially designed room). After several listens, I realized he had made a sonic painting of a city street... cars driving by, people talking, birds fluttering, etc. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 19:45:03 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 14:56:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYfVv-0002e2-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:55:59 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971120214208.0075b7e8@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:42:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: I'm Volunteering!!!!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"_BPrO.A.yY._tLd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1410 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:55:59 -0800 X-UIDL: 9cc90448293dc9e7a6212e6e79e69c71 At 02:56 PM 11/20/97 -0500, you wrote: >Kim said, > >>There was the cd project from long ago, >>but the guy organizing it disappeared. > >Disappeared? Have you tried to reach him recently? I haven't, no. I wasn't ever involved in the last cd project, so I don't really know any of the details. Just I haven't heard from Ray in a long, long time. >Matt, if you want to take care of this thing, you should try to contact >that guy anyway - his name is Ray Peck and he had >already collected a number of tapes for the CD, some money, and maybe he >had even done some work on this. Maybe you can continue where he stopped. He had people's money too? That's bad! We should be more active in finding him then. His intentions were good, just he got overwhelmed with some work project or something. He probably has it all sitting on a shelf somewhere. kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 19:45:05 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 15:02:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYfcD-0003Qs-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:02:29 -0800 Message-Id: <199711202146.NAA00919@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: I'm Volunteering!!!!!! Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:55:45 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LAjvfD.A.ttB.j5Ld0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1412 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:02:29 -0800 X-UIDL: f24cb5ccc77e35f9a2681a9bdefb68c9 > From: Michael Peters > Matt, if you want to take care of this thing, you should try to contact > that guy anyway - his name is Ray Peck and he had > already collected a number of tapes for the CD, some money, and maybe he > had even done some work on this. Maybe you can continue where he stopped. Thanks for the tip Michael. I just sent Ray some email to get a status update from him. Depending on what he says I'll know how to proceed. Now, both Stephen Goodman and Eric Fischer have volunteered their services to get this project going. Assuming there isn't a major uprising at this suggestion, I would like to coordinate this project and delegate tasks to those interested. With the end goal of completing this project in a reasonable amount of time. Kim? Are you out there? I really would like to hear your input on this and get your official stamp of approval before proceeding (since you are founder of this wonderful forum). Any objections from the masses? Matt From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 19:45:32 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 17:35:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYhzq-0004h6-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:35:02 -0800 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:56:42 -0500 (EST) From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <971120165640_1693912638@mrin43.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Nerd Herd Resent-Message-ID: <"hlQIz.A.JJD.eJOd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1422 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:35:02 -0800 X-UIDL: d7081f567d5c03dd13a802a57a350699 "I have said it before and will say it again, I am not a nerd!" =-O PJ From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 19:45:05 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 15:21:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYfup-0005m4-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:21:43 -0800 Message-ID: <19971120220240.28548.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:02:40 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: RE: I'm Volunteering!!!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"D6k2dB.A.sVD._GMd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1414 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:21:43 -0800 X-UIDL: bbd4a957a611334a499fd3e89a7b1c67 Loopers, On September 15, Ray Peck responded to my query of the status of the Loopers CD project. I had seen that his Email address was different (via his posting to DAT Heads Mailing list). His Email address is now: "Ray Peck" I think it would be great if Matt saw this to completion. I think it has been about a year now that Ray has had our tapes and money. Here is what Ray said on 15 Sep 97: ----------------------- Bret Moreland writes: >Ray, >How was your vacation? Hope your DAT machines are back in service. They are, yes. >Just checking on the status of this CD. Not trying to be a bother, but I >sure would like to get CDs and hear the music. I had hoped to give one to >my brother as a gift at Xmas time. What is the outlook? Well, the big bag O tapes and money is still in my office, gnawing on my conscience. As you might remember, I was going to do the project by reading the DATs on the SGI at work, which had the ability to read digital in. Well, work all went to hell, and I ended up quitting (the company was bought, and I didn't like the new owners). So, now I've been waiting for Event Electronics to finally release their new Layla digital in card. It was supposed to be out in July, so I thought this would be OK. Now, it being mid-september, I'm getting to the end of my rope. They finally released one of their other new cards a couple weeks ago, so it could be any day now, but it's hard to tell. I make this committment: the looper's CD will be the first thing I do with it, and it will get done within a week of getting the card. I hope that helps. . . ---------------------------- Matt, your the man! bret __________________________________________________________________ Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 19:45:04 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 15:00:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYfZp-00038c-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:00:01 -0800 Message-Id: <97Nov20.164516cst.26884@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:44:48 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: A Brief Word From Obi-ville Cc: kpaul@gibson.com, pmurphy@gibson.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"AnGnFB.A.0NB.b1Ld0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1411 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:00:01 -0800 X-UIDL: b6d9de2ac5bf828d130603dc224c873c Loopites- Please check the Oberheim page (www.oberheim.com)in the next few weeks. We should have a place you can buy Oberheim swag: T-shirts, jackets, stuff like that. I had some Oberheim logo items printed for this first batch, but I wonder what kind of interest would there be in an Echoplex logo (both old and new) on T-shirts, jackets, mouse pads, whatever? Any input from the faithful is appreciated. Also, back in my Gibson Guitar days, we did a "Show us Your Gibson" campaign where we solicited photos of Gibson owners playing/posing with their guitars. First prize was a trip or something like that. Maybe we could do something similar with members of this list that own the Echoplex Digital Pro, albeit on a smaller scale (like maybe cab fare!). Any ideas? In a shameless effort to court our past and future users, I remain, Tom "OB-1" Spaulding From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 19:45:06 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 15:21:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYfus-0005mO-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:21:46 -0800 Message-ID: <19971120230223.20178.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:02:23 -0800 (PST) From: Bret Subject: Re: Occult loops To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"CMv_NC.A.UTD.uGMd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1413 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:21:46 -0800 X-UIDL: aff24a74dc067ae43154885af2ae4b4a Paranormal Loopheads, Enjoyed reading Matthias accounts of looping at the healing center, and Dave's accounts of not realizing when the recording ended and live natural sounds began. Matthias asked about synchronizing brain waves with sound. I did some investigation and experiments of this nature a few years back. The general principle I am aware of is that the brain, when exposed to stimuli within the range of brainwave frequencies, can change it's (the brain's) frequency to match the stimulus. This has been called entrainment. I initially encountered this using light as the stimulus. Though I had experimented in the 70's with xenon strobes modified to flash within the beta range. The strobes I saw at the time had labels warning NOT to do this, so I had to see why. The chief problem I had at the time was that my strobe was not very regular in frequency, it would drop beats unpredictably. I did notice interesting visual patterns and colors when the light was flashing a few inches from my eyes, with my eyes closed. What I saw was sort of a geometric grid, like an infinite tunnel. The colors would be complementary, say red and green, or purple and yellow. In the 80's I built a personal strobe, using high intensity LEDS (towards my eyes) on a set of lab goggles. Using a 555 timer I could get a more regular frequency, and control the pulse wide of the flash. This was interesting, and yielded similar visual patterns with closed eyes. The brighter the light, the better the effect. I found some information about a man making audio tapes that invoked the entrainment mechanism (using headphones). Though I never heard the tapes, I read descriptions of his methods. As I recall, he put a tone in one ear, and different frequency tone in the other ear. This creates a beat frequency in your head. The beat exists only in your head, since the headphones would not allow the two different signals to exist in the same airspace. The difference in frequency was the brainwave frequency you wanted to achieve. For example, if you want to achieve 12 hz brain waves, you could have a 400 hz tone in one ear, and a 412 hz tone in the other. I am not sure what range of frequencies he used as the fundamentals. Generally what I read was that you needed to start the entrainment near your natural brainwave frequency at the time, in order for the brain to track with the stimulus. I never tried to duplicate this effect with sound, but probably have the tools to do this now. I did not find the light effects to offer any practical use. They were amusing for a while. Further off topic, I found that there is a device called the mind mirror that gives you a spectral display of the brainwaves at the 2 hemispheres. It is a real time analyzer of brainwaves. This has been applyed to experienced meditators, and they have mapped the frequency distribution curves that correlate to particular states of consciencness. By using the mind mirror as the feedback, they alledge anyone can be taught to achieve the states that yogis and others have taken years to attain by willfully changing your brainwaves to create the curve that corresponds to the state you desire. bret bret __________________________________________________________________ Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 19:45:12 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 15:49:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYgM5-0001D4-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:49:53 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971120232342.00756234@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:23:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: I'm Volunteering!!!!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"eStvAB.A.U-G.olMd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1416 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:49:53 -0800 X-UIDL: a16b2969e731f58ba9b2cf256358f823 At 01:55 PM 11/20/97 -0800, Matt McCabe wrote: >Now, both Stephen Goodman and Eric Fischer have volunteered their services >to get this project going. Assuming there isn't a major uprising at this >suggestion, I would like to coordinate this project and delegate tasks to >those interested. With the end goal of completing this project in a >reasonable amount of time. > >Kim? Are you out there? I really would like to hear your input on this >and get your official stamp of approval before proceeding (since you are >founder of this wonderful forum). My input is that you don't need my approval! If you want to make cd's, by all means do so! Make a web page for it, make real audio files, do whatever you like. LD is your place just as much as mine. (although it costs me a bit more....) My job is just making sure stuff get's uploaded to the website and the mailing list doesn't go down too often. It's up to you guys to make it all come to life! I *like* anarchy. If people think something is a good idea, and they want to go organize it and do it, then that's just fine by me. I don't have time to be a dicktator! kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 19:45:27 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 16:45:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYhE3-00076p-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:45:39 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCF660.2A823180@JLACK> From: jlack@auran.com (Jamie Lack) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Bungle Good Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:30:51 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"5mvRk.A.3lF.ObNd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1418 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:45:39 -0800 X-UIDL: d45ae8083b5057ad2fe944a5086177ca I would like to unanimously agree with Kim's post about Mr Bungle. Fortunately, I saw them in brisbane a year ago, and the show was crowded, but not a total sellout. (Who would have thought living in Brisbane would have it's perks...) The crowd was a diverse sample to say the least. In a strange way Mr Bungle are at the same time the antithesis of music and the icon of music. Also, like a lot of loopers around the place, they use a lot of interesting techniques to get their sound. The mix of sound I experienced at the Bungle concert was so clear, that I could hear every nuance from every musician. Not a small feat considering what they played and how often they do a musical about-face. If you have a chance to see them, do. BTW, they do a great cover of "Tower of Strength"!. I may as well throw in what I am listening to at the present......... Peter Gabriel - Best of (Will I ever stop listening to it?) I just purchased "EVE", but have yet to play with it... King Crimson - Great Deceiver Miles Davis - Bitches Brew Fripp and Eno - No Pussyfooting Tackhead David Bowie - Scary Monsters and Earthling Gorecki- Miserere Laurie Anderson - Bright Red Sepultura - Chaos AD Doug Anthony All Stars - ICON Regurgitator - Tu Plang (Kong foo sing - the tasty biscuit) Things I am looking at a lot...... Clouds (They loop too...) Computer Games (An interesting way of looping has occurred in newer computer games, the use of CD audio allows music to be played of the CD at certain times in the game. Music may be triggered by where you are in the game, or whatever. The end result is a whole lot of short, discreet pieces of music, that are all different, but will all flow on from the last (If it is good). Quite a challenge. A game worth checking out for just being beautiful is "The Neverhood", it has refreshing earthy music that makes you wonder why these ideas don't occur to you before) Jamie Lack jlack@auran.com http://www.auran.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 19:45:22 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 16:13:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYgjG-0003tL-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:13:50 -0800 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 97 16:55:06 MST Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "Bret Moreland" Subject: re:Re: Occult loops X-Incognito-SN: 368 X-Incognito-Version: 4.10.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"3tS7mB.A.ISC.n8Md0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1417 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:13:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 9c41644d285cdea506e23ee5eea3d5a3 Travos asked: Oh geez, is this like that gadget in "Exorcist II"? --------------- I don't know, I did not read the book or see the movie. You tell me. I am pretty sure that there was no demonic activity in my experiments, though my parents might tell you differently ;-) bret From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 19:45:29 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 17:02:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYhU8-00016o-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:02:16 -0800 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F4109F0@MAIL> From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'djdowling@earthlink.net'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: New DOD delay pedal etc. Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:03:37 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"ce7P5C.A.oHH.GrNd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1419 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:02:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 4380173333789c34e45f8a9686e61060 I've had the same experience. A rep at Guitar Center in Boston say they get asked about these new pedals at least 5 times a week... d -----Original Message----- From: djdowling@earthlink.net [SMTP:djdowling@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 1997 7:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:New DOD delay pedal etc. I enquired at several muisc staores today about the impending release of the 8 sec. delay w/ reverse to no avail. One "proprietor" could not believe that the current 4 sec unit existed let alone something more advanced. Someone wrote that he saw the new unit in a catalog of some sort (?)...where was this and how might I track it down? In my quest I came across some info on a new BOSS unit with 4 minutes of sample and a digicard type set-up. I inquired if this was a floor unit or rack and the response was: "neither, it's a...box." Dave From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 19:45:29 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 17:11:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYhcu-00028d-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:11:20 -0800 Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Occult loops Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:31:37 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf614$d4066920$0d3bd4cc@CIS.compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"2RAfrB.A.Y3.w0Nd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1420 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:11:21 -0800 X-UIDL: f920f497cebb76ce5b57962e5eabd4cc >Oh geez, is this like that gadget in "Exorcist II"? Not really, though the principle of attaining a trance state is consistent, I think. A better example of what is being talked about can be seen in a music video Bootsy Collins' band Dee-Lite did some years ago called "Groove Is In The Heart", about 2/3 way through, you see, in a darkened room, the two DJs in the group wearing strobe glasses. Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 10:27:02 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 07:30:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYYZB-00057f-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 07:30:53 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971120165559.1e275d8a@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:55:59 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: AW: Greg Howard. Looping. Current Listening. In-Reply-To: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820F8B85@nbgm336a.nbgm.sieme ns.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"CD6px.A.-8D.tVFd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1387 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 07:30:53 -0800 X-UIDL: ae90d0bd3bc54bc86a1726616cb3f2b3 >"Pie Jesu" is wonderful. I love this, and "Blessing of Tears", more than >my other Fripp Soundscape CDs. >I was looking for "Outer darkness" everywhere (in Germany), but I cannot >get it for some reason. And I haven't heard of "November Suite" ... >Where did you get these? They're available, direct-only, from Discipline Global Mobile. The albums are to be found on www.discipline.co.uk, along with 1-minute samples from all the albums in the DGM catalogue. You also get the story behind the November suite, which is (a) slightly sad (b) something we could all probably relate to and (c) quite amusing in parts, including Fripp's post-gig grocery shopping. Michael From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 19:45:31 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 17:29:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYhto-00041N-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:28:48 -0800 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F4109F8@MAIL> From: David Kirkdorffer To: 'Leonardo Cavallo' , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Disco Volante Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:00:47 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"dp_LSD.A.IhC.qDOd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1421 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:28:48 -0800 X-UIDL: bcb8bc24a3d956afb70e5beb61a5d6e4 Any James Bond readers out there remember the Disco Volante?? David Kirkdorffer -----Original Message----- From: Leonardo Cavallo [SMTP:LEO@DINONET.IT] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 1997 2:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Top ten list with quotes >Disco Volante is some kind of strange collision of speed metal, ennio >morricone, and avant-noise rock. And patton's vocals are just great - so >adventurous and creative. It took a few listens to really grasp the album >and start to like it, a bit too much at first I think. But now I really >enjoy it. There's so much in there to discover. I've heard their rare live >appearances are great, but I've never managed to see one since they always >sell out around here. ah well.... > From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 10:27:02 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 07:33:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xYYbl-0005Pc-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 07:33:33 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971120170231.1b17524a@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:02:31 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Sustainer, Forcione In-Reply-To: <000A1565.001424@mail.bl.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"k5ftfB.A.7RE.aZFd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1388 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 07:33:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 5ee6250943237d7b74d63fe9522f724e Dave Orton: > There was also an uncredited guitarist > (who may have been called Joe Harrison - the announcements were > off-mic and difficult to hear from 2/3rds back) who made extensive use > of a Fernandes Sustainer (now I *really* want one of those) and a > multitude of delays and effects to great..erm - effect. On the subject of which, do you Ststainer-equipped types out there get much feedback of more than one note? When I tried a sustainer most feedback happened around one note - so the main advantage over an Ebow was that you don't have to hold it! (I know this is a gear question.... Sorry Kim....) > Also: At lunch time yesterday I saw the acoustic guitarist Antonio > Forcione dueting with saxophonist Ed Jones. I think Matthias mentioned > before that AF has experimented with looping, but this is the first > time I've seen him use it (sparingly) in performance. He has a Paradis > LoopDelay which in this situation was used to create backing for his > solos on two numbers. Again, well worth a listen if you see them > advertised near you (particularly if you like Jan Garbarek-style > European, folk influenced jazz) AF also plays with another acoustic guitarist, Niel Stacy. I have _never_ seen two people be so dazzlingly competent musicians and yet screamingly hilarious at the same time. Michael From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 19:45:34 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 18:08:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYiVp-0000LE-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:08:05 -0800 From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Top Ten again Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:27:15 -0500 Message-ID: <01bcf61c$998e7aa0$acf0ffd0@future-perfect> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"9oJq_C.A.BkG.opOd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1423 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:08:05 -0800 X-UIDL: b9668a2343ac376aeaa185d3400277e7 My recent listens (in no order) 1. David Torn -What Means Solid, Traveller? 2. Bach- The Art of the Fugue 3. Yes- Keys To Ascention 2 (the new studio tracks have some great playing on them) 4. Deep Purple - Purpendicular 5. Trey Gunn - The Third Star 6. Genesis - Seconds Out 7. King Crimson - Epitaph 8. Robert Fripp - That Which Passes (this scared the hell out of me when I first heard it..) 9. Haydn- Trumpet Concerto in Eb 10. Adrian Belew- Guitar as an Orchestra and an extra 11. Yes- Relayer (after opening for Patrick Moraz 2 weeks ago, he asked if we would play with him on his last song, an improv on a Gm chord..wow, a dream come true...) I've been forcing myself to record 1/2 hour improvs at home, all live, no overdubs- after the first few hours or so, I really have to strain to come up with ideas, I can't rely on tricks or patterns. I go out for a walk, look at the scenery, and try to think of new ways to approach things, like asking myself How do clouds sound? Bushes? What does green and orange sound like? I come up with at least an hour of new, fresh things this way, usually nothing like what I came up with before. Dave Eichenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 19:45:35 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 18:16:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYidb-0001CT-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:16:07 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971121013943.0069507c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:39:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Nerd Herd Resent-Message-ID: <"fIn8I.A.mG.CyOd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1424 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:16:07 -0800 X-UIDL: e86c8104a020c51d75201d81ba13861f At 04:56 PM 11/20/97 -0500, PJBMHB@aol.com wrote: >"I have said it before and will say it again, I am not a nerd!" =-O PJ > rather than just stating it with no evidence to support your claim, and thereby arousing the skeptic in me, how about proving it by giving us some enlightening ideas about your approach to musical looping and what it all means to you? I'm writing up my list for nerd herd thinning season....make it good. :-) kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 10:34:07 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 21:03:06 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYlF7-0001Cm-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:03:01 -0800 Message-ID: Date: 20 Nov 1997 18:34:54 -0800 From: Rudy.Gaytan@ncal.kaiperm.org Subject: Re: Nerd Herd To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"JW6p5C.A.GR.dPRd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1431 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:03:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 1eb02c04cb76edbd2935c3a45459cab5 I am new to this list and am trying to find a used cheap lexicon jamman Help, rudy From ???@??? Thu Nov 20 19:45:37 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 18:43:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYj45-000400-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:43:29 -0800 Message-ID: <3474F452.34E3@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:40:27 -0500 From: djdowling@earthlink.net Reply-To: djdowling@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:more lists References: <34720A55.B1513387@interaccess.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bC-1cB.A.A6C.6MPd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1425 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:43:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 7c15842177a1a82704dadc03ba3667db I hadn't checked my mail for a couple of days so I'm a bit out of the loop...(oh god, did I type that?)...on the top ten lists: here goes: This is current listening, not a definitive list: 1.Night Music - Joe Jackson (just saw Joe last night in a small venue, it was quite awesome. He played the entirety of his new album Heaven and Hell which I'm sure will be added to this list. 2. Earthling - Bowie (this has popped up a couple of times, I agree that it is excellent...his recent live show got me listening to it alot more.) 3. Cowboy - Erasure (what can I say?) 4. Quartet - Frissel (also enhanced by recent live performance) 5. Emancipation - 0+> (The Artist etc...) 6. Third Star - Trey Gunn (another excellent live show) 7. That Which Passes - Fripp 8. Test For Echo- Rush 9. Queen II (a fixture on the list) 10. For Samuel Beckett - Morton Feldman From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 10:34:03 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 19:46:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYk2n-0001qX-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:46:13 -0800 Message-ID: <7906A58B2207D011B4CE00A024CF8B4907093C@www.ihs.dk> From: 7302 <7302@ssj.dtu.dk> To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Is this note getting through? Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 04:18:50 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"bfPsC.A.D1.1EQd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1429 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:46:13 -0800 X-UIDL: 5474b3ca2151411605565e8c4c47b432 Yes From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 10:34:09 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 21:23:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYlYh-0003K3-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:23:15 -0800 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:06:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711210406.XAA07349@cliff.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: butt looping ala Mr. Jones Resent-Message-ID: <"m6PfhD.A.hAC.ogRd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1432 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:23:15 -0800 X-UIDL: d4147a98302d5f179b335ef1bc907c54 At 06:36 PM 11/19/97 -0600, you wrote: > >Hello, > >OK I have to put in my idea on this: ( not for the squemish) > >I have one of those eyeglass thingees that blast your eyeballs with blinking >red lights (both intensity and frequency variable). I believe its fast for >energizer and slow for relaxation. Beta / Alpha whatever. I put them on and >play the guitar, trying to sync the pulse with the drum machine. I want >someone to make a midi connector to it! Sometimes when I get in a rut, I >put them on and start up all the CD players I have and play five or six of >my favorite guitar wangers at once and listen carefully as I spin around in >my office chair. This is the thing though: I imagine different color and >light intensities depending on the volume, rhythm, melody or whatever, >following along or leading, as I play, sort of an body (arm/fingers)/brain >loop. Now the kicker: Why can't a vibrator(s) be hooked up in the loop, >doing extensions (length/width) and speed variation also with the music. >Then it could be body, brain, and butt looping, all to The Beat!.. I know >its a little weird, but it would be hard to be complacent about one's >playing all strapped in and blaring away! Also imagine one for the wo(men) >(alternate orifice) in your life. No longer would they just sit there with >that bored (you playing the same lick over and over again??) look on their >faces! The Butt Looper (you heard it here first) Prototype anyone? > >Randy Jones > > > > Mr. Jones--noone can accuse you of insufficient imagination . . . Certainly something for the nerd herd to tackle . . . gentlemen (and ladies) . . . start your stepper motors .. . drone on~~~~~~~~~~~~~Mr. Lambrecht Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 10:34:06 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 20:23:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYkd1-00051d-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:23:39 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bcf54c$53cb8e20$75047fce@user.texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:10:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Parabnormal Was Occult Loop Resent-Message-ID: <"jczf9.A.lpD.qoQd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1430 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:23:39 -0800 X-UIDL: 2c3ce00f1eddcb1a8adfa9a6df2eea4a hahahahahahaha! When are you performing this Randy? I think myself and a few of my friends would like to go! kim At 6:36 PM -0600 11/19/97, Randy Jones wrote: >Hello, > >OK I have to put in my idea on this: ( not for the squemish) > >I have one of those eyeglass thingees that blast your eyeballs with blinking >red lights (both intensity and frequency variable). I believe its fast for >energizer and slow for relaxation. Beta / Alpha whatever. I put them on and >play the guitar, trying to sync the pulse with the drum machine. I want >someone to make a midi connector to it! Sometimes when I get in a rut, I >put them on and start up all the CD players I have and play five or six of >my favorite guitar wangers at once and listen carefully as I spin around in >my office chair. This is the thing though: I imagine different color and >light intensities depending on the volume, rhythm, melody or whatever, >following along or leading, as I play, sort of an body (arm/fingers)/brain >loop. Now the kicker: Why canât a vibrator(s) be hooked up in the loop, >doing extensions (length/width) and speed variation also with the music. >Then it could be body, brain, and butt looping, all to The Beat!.. I know >its a little weird, but it would be hard to be complacent about oneâs >playing all strapped in and blaring away! Also imagine one for the wo(men) >(alternate orifice) in your life. No longer would they just sit there with >that bored (you playing the same lick over and over again??) look on their >faces! The Butt Looper (you heard it here first) Prototype anyone? > >Randy Jones ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 10:34:20 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 22:39:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYmkX-0003oj-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:39:33 -0800 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:59:12 -0500 (EST) From: haganbr@jmu.edu Subject: need a jamman Sender: HAGANBR@jmu.edu To: Loopers Delight Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"0DMo7B.A.9xC.nqSd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1435 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:39:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 0a5c02d5e0d572aaec0aed0de2058801 I had written a couple of days ago inquiring if anyone had info on where I could purchase a jamman for under list price. Thank you for your replies. If anyone else has any more info, please let me know. Thanks Haganbr@jmu.edu From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 10:34:12 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 22:19:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYmQy-0001au-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:19:20 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCF600.13B6A0E0.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Parabnormal Was Occult Loop Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:00:50 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Uv5LaB.A.AQH.ySSd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1433 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:19:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 6bf31675caf418a695fa8af25f327950 >....Also imagine one for the wo(men) >(alternate orifice) in your life. No longer would they just sit there with >that bored (you playing the same lick over and over again??) look on their >faces!... >Randy Jones You be hangin with the wrong chix, Randy! l. >From lists@slip.net Thu Nov 20 22:26:05 1997 From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 10:34:13 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 22:26:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYmXT-0002Rw-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:26:03 -0800 From: "Greg Rosenberg" To: Subject: Help - I want to unsubscribe but I can't get out Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:12:37 -0600 Message-ID: <01bcf644$770979d0$080753d1@home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"hs-UaD.A.D_.fbSd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1434 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:26:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 070cf57ec28983eb83b1ef759cacbd47 I have enjoyed being on this list the past few months - but since I divested myself of my Jam Man in order to midi-fy my guitar - I would like to take a vacation from this list. I may be a moron - but I have tried to unsubscribe 3 times - yes, following the directions - but to no avail. Can anyone help me out. thanks Greg Rosenberg gregory@itis.com From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 10:34:21 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 22:45:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYmpm-0004LJ-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:44:58 -0800 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:18:51 -0500 (EST) From: TritoneDW@aol.com Message-ID: <971121011851_360985597@mrin85.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: On being complete nerds Resent-Message-ID: <"kLYXoB.A.DLD.ZuSd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1436 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:44:58 -0800 X-UIDL: e40b170b7a9c0b1270d9141957a79ad5 Okay, here's my 2 bits. Looping "Technique": Almost entirely ambient---devoid of all but incidental harmony and melody. I tend to think in layers of pure sound. I'm of the guitar and Jamman camp, so I'm using the guitar as a "sound generator". (No offense to keyboard players, but personally I think that the guitar is better suited to ambient sounds than the synth or sampler. Please don't kill me.) I find that there is a core group of sounds out of which I construct loops: rubbing the strings laterally with a slide, volume swells of notes/chords done so as to create a continuous harmonic sheet, glissandi with slide and EBow, scrapes, spring sounds, driving the strings into the pole pieces. One can also use the microphinic properties of pickups to interesting effect--try playing a walkman into your pickups while making a loop. You can of course record some guitar on a tape, then play it through the walkman, through your pickups into the loop (you get the idea). One good idea: record the original loop as a blank--leave it empty--then enter all layers in the layer mode. This way, you avoid irritating pops and clicks at loop points. You probably all know this. Listening: Well, I don't really have a lot of time to listen to things lately, but here is a random smattering of things to pass through my life lately. Praxis--Mutatis Mutandis. Still the best Praxis album. I've been listening to this for years. Mr. Bungle--Disco Volante and the first album. Fantastic. Check this out--it can't be described. Jonas Hellborg/Buckethead/Michael Shreve--Octave of the Holy Innocents. Acoustic bass and guitar shredding with deep grooves. Lutoslavski--String Quartets (performed by the Kronos Quartet). Excellent contemporary string music. Bach Cello Suites--performed by Yo-Yo Ma. Is there a better musician than Yo-Yo Ma alive today? Stunning performance of some of the best music of the Baroque. Penderecki--Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima. Talk about sound mass. Josquin DesPrez--Motets. Rennaisance vocal wonders. Gesualdo--Madrigals, especially book 6. Weird sounds from the rennaisance. Gamelan Seker Jaya--Balinese Music in America. A wonderful Balinese Gamelan ensemple in America. If your in the SF bay area check 'em out live. They collaborate occasionally with a San Jose Indian dance company. Cool. Portishead--Dummy. Unfortunate lyrics (unfortunate that it has lyrics at all), but great grooves and production. Naked City--Naked City. What can I say about this one? Shakti--Shakti. Or this one? John Zorn--Forbidden Fruit. Kronos Quartet with DJ. Check it out. U. Srinivas--Rama Sreerama. Karnatic music played on electric mandolin(!!!). Stunning. Anyway, people have been listing some great music on this thread. If you've got the time, you could hardly go wrong. I'm not sure about the Spice Girls, though :-). Drew Wheeler From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 10:34:21 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 22:58:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYn2n-0005gD-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:58:25 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Re: need a jamman Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:52:56 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"Vr2hUC.A.D0E.N_Sd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1437 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:58:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 629f14e0cc92a377a29b34629b8a766b >I had written a couple of days ago inquiring if anyone had info on where I >could purchase a jamman for under list price. Thank you for your replies. >If anyone else has any more info, please let me know. Thanks > > Haganbr@jmu.edu I posted this on Sat. Dont know of status >>>>>>>?Anyone looking for ***New*** Jam Man in box? Price $288! - Music >>>>>>>Warehouse >>Louisville Ky (502)-456 -4730 . Somebody grab it ! K Law From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 10:34:23 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 20 23:27:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYnUy-0000ab-00; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:27:32 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971121075947.00689294@online.no> X-Sender: hovard@online.no (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:18:08 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hovard@online.no Subject: Re: Current Listening and All time top something Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"UEQdSC.A._KH.5XTd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1438 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:27:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 54aaee6b16d55423ff8fad55a483855c >Jan Gabarek...he has a release with David Torn btw and another one with Frisell. Hey Patrick , good to see someone mentioning Jan Garbarek. I say this coz he is definately worth checkin out! He directly influenced David Torn , and probably many of the other guitarists he played with , wich include (and here`s the point of all this): John Abercrombie , Ralph Towner , Bill Frisell (2 discs) , David Torn , Terje Rypdal. I say , he must be the John Mayall of ECM!!!?! The disc with Torn is called "It`S ok to listen to the great voice" , and has some great clean,compressed,volumepedal guitar. Very different from his solo-albums but you still hear his voice. The discs with Frisell are called "wayfarer"(my favourite) and "off the beaten path" ????+sorry but I dont remember the exact title of the cd , and I don`t wanna know. I hope this can be of some interest to all your "continental arses!" , anyway , just thought I`d contribute something.And Garbarek I can find in any medium/large cd store all over Norway , but all the music you talk of.......no way! "Looping??? get the fuck outta here!!!!!" squarepusher....hmm no , but we have the latest Prodigy...... now I`m depressed........ yours , Thomas W From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 10:34:40 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 21 06:52:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYuRr-0002GB-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 06:52:47 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:23:22 +0300 Message-ID: <00005CC8.4007@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re: A Brief Word From Obi-ville To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Tom Spaulding Cc: kpaul@gibson.com, pmurphy@gibson.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"1gdlAB.A._pB.46Zd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1444 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 06:52:47 -0800 X-UIDL: 5b7288b8a3961b284c5855786769df4c Instead of buying a t-shirt I would prefer to buy the Echoplex. When are we going to have them available? Miguel ___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________ Assunto: A Brief Word From Obi-ville Autor: Tom Spaulding na internet Data: 20/11/1997 16:44 Loopites- Please check the Oberheim page (www.oberheim.com)in the next few weeks. We should have a place you can buy Oberheim swag: T-shirts, jackets, stuff like that. I had some Oberheim logo items printed for this first batch, but I wonder what kind of interest would there be in an Echoplex logo (both old and new) on T-shirts, jackets, mouse pads, whatever? Any input from the faithful is appreciated. Also, back in my Gibson Guitar days, we did a "Show us Your Gibson" campaign where we solicited photos of Gibson owners playing/posing with their guitars. First prize was a trip or something like that. Maybe we could do something similar with members of this list that own the Echoplex Digital Pro, albeit on a smaller scale (like maybe cab fare!). Any ideas? In a shameless effort to court our past and future users, I remain, Tom "OB-1" Spaulding From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 10:34:27 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 21 01:32:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYpSH-0001f3-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:32:53 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971121012313.0092a6f0@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:23:13 -0800 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: I'm Volunteering!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <19971120220240.28548.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"955NXB.A.cCB.KOVd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1439 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:32:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 1f71d471edfe024a7afac1a8fb266a21 no lie - I can vouch for the truth of these statements. At 02:02 PM 11/20/97 -0800, Ray Peck wrote about the CD project: >As you might remember, I was going to do the project by reading the DATs >on the SGI at work, which had the ability to read digital in. Well, >work all went to hell, and I ended up quitting (the company was bought, >and I didn't like the new owners). > From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 10:34:57 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 21 09:38:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYx2I-000162-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:38:34 -0800 Message-Id: <199711211635.IAA05560@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Vortex in a Coma update Date: Fri, 21 Nov 97 10:40:09 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"qIQ7MB.A.ZEH.6Pcd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1449 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:38:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 9aedd31df31e09cbf81d889dbeafab7a A few days ago I reported that my Vortex had gone belly up, with all the lights and LED elements on. Greg Hogan suggested that I try swapping the power supply. That fixed it. So, the good news is that the Vortex still works, the bad news is that the AC adaptor failed after 18 months. However, $20 is better than $95, or whatever a Vortex board swap is. Many thanks to Greg for his prompt response. Relieved, Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 10:34:29 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 21 02:58:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYqn0-00069I-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 02:58:22 -0800 From: "John Andrews" To: Subject: Re: Occult loops Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:52:03 -0000 Message-ID: <01bcf66b$80827c60$LocalHost@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"8k-rFC.A.-eF.vfWd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1440 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 02:58:22 -0800 X-UIDL: 9240f718926d727a5d10ef2cb0b001ed Great Thread.. Anyway......CoolEdit on the PC has some wonderful Brainwave stuff with a complete and in depth description of the mthods used and what effects to expect. Has anyone experimented with this program in this way? > >I never tried to duplicate this effect with sound, but probably have >the tools to do this now. I did not find the light effects to offer >any practical use. They were amusing for a while. > keep on...... ja From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 10:34:50 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 21 08:41:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYw8g-0002yq-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:41:06 -0800 Message-ID: <34757151.6607@nyfac.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:32:33 +0000 From: nyfac2 Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: A Brief Word From Obi-ville References: <97Nov21.090211cst.26884@gateway.gibson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bHXiM.A.QjB.Zabd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1447 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:41:06 -0800 X-UIDL: a6e665c8e6c594553021c866f83f6e05 Perhaps Oberheim would care to reward those people who have been so patiently waiting for the goods with some T-shirts. Think what a smart marketing move it would be- every show an endorsement for their wonderful product. Sales commisions for members of Loopers Delight... Hey, just a thought. I wouldn't be eligible, anyway. I have a JamMan. Trevor From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 10:34:37 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 21 04:40:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYsO9-0003C9-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 04:40:49 -0800 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:34:18 -0500 (EST) From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <971121073417_495112610@mrin43.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Current Listening and All time top something Resent-Message-ID: <"gCg2UC.A.dhC.IAYd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1441 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 04:40:49 -0800 X-UIDL: b57dc50ff2042021e0e522a722a3f56c you forgot to mention that jan also did some albums with bill connors who was coming off his classical guitar phase and starting to play electric with a classical technique. Great stuff!! =-) PJ is not a NERD From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 10:34:38 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 21 05:04:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYslA-00056i-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 05:04:36 -0800 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:57:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711211257.HAA24072@cliff.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: need a jamman Resent-Message-ID: <"TcYNAC.A.7QE.TVYd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1442 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 05:04:36 -0800 X-UIDL: c2bc75c743228e29fb7427aa6639bbd2 At 01:52 AM 11/21/97 -0500, you wrote: >>I had written a couple of days ago inquiring if anyone had info on where I >>could purchase a jamman for under list price. Thank you for your replies. >>If anyone else has any more info, please let me know. Thanks >> >> Haganbr@jmu.edu >I posted this on Sat. Dont know of status >>>>>>>>?Anyone looking for ***New*** Jam Man in box? Price $288! - Music >>>>>>>>Warehouse >>Louisville Ky (502)-456 -4730 . Somebody grab it ! > > K Law > > > > > For you two newbies, (and I say that tongue-in-cheek being one myself) the Jamman and Vortex have both been discontinued by Lexicon. Examples crop up on the used market where they generally lanquish until some looper posts notice of it to this group--after which the astonished seller receives frantic queries from around the world . . . I may have a line on a reasonably priced Vortex, but the other Looper in the auction where I got it has first dibs: (Dave, got ears man?) drone on~~~~~~~~~Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 21:04:32 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 21 12:23:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYzc2-0000iA-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:23:38 -0800 Message-Id: <199711211913.LAA32614@scv2.apple.com> Subject: Re: Parabnormal Was Occult Loop Date: Fri, 21 Nov 97 13:17:55 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"qPjqsC.A.r7G.Ased0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1455 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:23:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 69fcad13119feeb6e9c75ca23bff2d1a >and a program called cthuga( there has to be a way to hook >cthuga to line input instead of cd...) It also works with microphone input, or at least is does on a Mac. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 10:34:39 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 21 05:46:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYtPz-0000YU-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 05:46:47 -0800 Sender: moin@eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de Message-ID: <34758E00.7C01@eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:34:56 +0100 From: RAINER STRASCHILL Organization: MOINLABS GFX and Soundworks X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/715) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Logic Audio Users References: <199711200034.TAA05983@venice.connection.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"idk4LB.A.IMH.J4Yd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1443 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 05:46:47 -0800 X-UIDL: 4cd1f8d039ea9d1aaa3c622b88543ad1 G. Peterson wrote: > Hi all, I am considering purchasing Logic Audio > recording/sequencing system(software and card) for windows 95 Hi Gordon, if you have the need for external processing, as you mentioned, you have to obtain a hardware that is capable of doing so, like Audiowerk (2In 8Out , SPDIF In/Out), which only works with Logic Audio, or one of the new Event Cards (ranging from 2In, 8Out to i think 8in 12 out plus SPDIF pairs) - in this case, you have more freedom as to which software you want to use - they are said to be supported by logic, cubase and cakewalk in the near future. Personally, for me a harddisk-based system as you suggested is far superior in flexibility to an off-computer adat system, as it allows me complicated editing techniques (hand-syncing of not-togetherbelonging tracks, funny digital fx etc.) - on the other hand, an adat is superior if you're going to do live recording and stuff. Plus, most of the hardware available for pc's currently only offer two inputs, which makes it impossible to do for example a good drum recording. But for "home writing" purposes, a harddisk-based system is the choice - plus, you don't ever have to worry about syncing. As for the software - try to find a store where you can at least take a look at the different software packages. The usual programs (as mentioned) above have reached a certain level of similarity in most basic aspects, with advantages of the single systems in the more "advanced" terms. Cubase offers in its new version realtime effects, logic is more "intelligent" in its managment of harddisk files, and offers an internal patchbay which cubase doesn't, Cakewalk is the fastest and most stable of the three, and also offers a very powerful script language. Rainer -- For LOTS of HOT images of beautiful girls, don't go to http://www.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de/~moin Rainer Straschill - moin@eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de MOINLABS GFX and Soundworks From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 10:34:41 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 21 07:07:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYufu-0003KS-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:07:18 -0800 Message-Id: <97Nov21.090211cst.26884@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:01:38 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re: A Brief Word From Obi-ville Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"GnPlAB.A.FsC.7Iad0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1445 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:07:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 63d561cc5407ff130e7f4cbae8a4ed6e Miguel- I would prefer to sell you an Echoplex, but reality being what it is, shirts I got, EDP's I do not. If having shirts made for people who are interested in them annoys those that are not interested in them, I suggest those not interested in them refrain from buying them.;) Tom At 01:23 AM 11/21/97 -0600, you wrote: > Instead of buying a t-shirt I would prefer to buy the Echoplex. > > When are we going to have them available? > > Miguel > > >___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________ >Assunto: A Brief Word From Obi-ville >Autor: Tom Spaulding na internet >Data: 20/11/1997 16:44 > > >Loopites- > >Please check the Oberheim page (www.oberheim.com)in the next few weeks. We >should have a place you can buy Oberheim swag: T-shirts, jackets, stuff >like that. I had some Oberheim logo items printed for this first batch, but >I wonder what kind of interest would there be in an Echoplex logo (both old >and new) on T-shirts, jackets, mouse pads, whatever? Any input from the >faithful is appreciated. > >Also, back in my Gibson Guitar days, we did a "Show us Your Gibson" >campaign where we solicited photos of Gibson owners playing/posing with >their guitars. First prize was a trip or something like that. Maybe we >could do something similar with members of this list that own the Echoplex >Digital Pro, albeit on a smaller scale (like maybe cab fare!). Any ideas? > >In a shameless effort to court our past and future users, I remain, > >Tom "OB-1" Spaulding > > > > From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 10:34:50 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 21 08:39:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYw70-0002nw-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:39:22 -0800 Message-Id: <199711211616.IAA14836@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: "Loop List" Subject: Fw: Looper's Delight CD Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:26:13 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cPbWjD.A.dLB.oWbd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1446 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:39:22 -0800 X-UIDL: c0aa79eda7edbfe79d7f1869b343a8fd Okay folks, here's the latest from Ray Peck. In my reply to this message I basically left it up to him on how he wishes to proceed. If you have submitted a tape to Ray for inclusion on the Looper CD, I suggest you contact him directly and a) encourage him to finish the project or b) send everything to me. It's really up to you. I'm just here to help. Matt ---------- > From: Ray Peck > To: Matt McCabe > Subject: Looper's Delight CD > Date: Thursday, November 20, 1997 6:39 PM > > Yes, I have a bag of tapes and checks. At the time, I was going to xfer > DAT to computer using an SGI machine at work. Then all went to hell at > work, and I quit. That was June/July. I was then going to buy an Event > Layla card to get the bits in. It was supposed to ship in July. It > still hasn't (they last promised me it would be next week). > > In recent weeks I have contacted two people on DATheads who offerred DAT > to CDR conversion. Neither has responded to me. > > If someone can get the bits from DAT to a CDR, without editing, I can do > any editing and cleanup, and turn the disks around in a week. At the > moment, I have no way of making that happen. > > I am still hoping the Layla card will be out soon. Doing these disks is > my highest priority for when that happens. The project has become a > cloud over my head. . . > > I really have been trying to make it happen. . . From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 10:34:51 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 21 08:49:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYwGq-0003qv-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:49:32 -0800 X-Envelope-Sender-Is: Juergen.Haible@nbgm.siemens.de (at relayer mail.fth.sbs.de) Message-ID: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5821051E6@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> From: Haible Juergen To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: AW: Discipline Global Mobile Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:33:45 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"IlMXLB.A.GKC.Qgbd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1448 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:49:32 -0800 X-UIDL: c306be8c9e250a6a9478b64b7813e9aa Thanks to all who have pointed me to http://www.discipline.co.uk. Interesting site. JH. From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 10:34:57 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 21 09:57:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYxKK-00037U-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:57:12 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:39:43 -0800 Message-ID: <0004E721.1264@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Re[2]: Current Listening and All time top something To: hovard@online.no, loopers-delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"1X8xz.A.KiB.Dhcd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1450 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:57:12 -0800 X-UIDL: d76972a362744ae6ade65c9d12f85090 >>Jan Gabarek...he has a release with David Torn btw and another one with >>Frisell. >Hey Patrick , good to see someone mentioning Jan Garbarek. I say this coz >he is definately worth checkin out! He directly influenced David Torn , and >probably many of the other >guitarists he played with , wich include (and here`s the point of all this): >John Abercrombie , Ralph Towner , Bill Frisell (2 discs) , David Torn , >Terje Rypdal. >I say , he must be the John Mayall of ECM!!!?! I didn't realize he had played with Towner... He IS the John Mayall of wiggly guitar players. I like that idea. Someone should tell Jan that! >The disc with Torn is called "It`S ok to listen to the great voice" , and >has some great clean,compressed,volumepedal guitar. Very different from his >solo-albums but you still hear his voice. I believe the disc is "It's ok to listen to the *grey* voice". It's been awhile, but this thread has me thinking about digging that out of my vinyl collection. (That means I'd have to go find the turntable as well.) It really is true that Torn had his voice quite well established at that point. >now I`m depressed........ >yours , Thomas W Melancholy helps those moody ambient loops along! Cheers, Miko From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 12:06:41 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 21 11:51:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYz70-0005em-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:51:34 -0800 From: Organization: Franklin Pierce College To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:03:14 EST Subject: I WANT TO UNSUBSCRIBE Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Mac (v2.2.0, wide beta 6) Message-ID: <186A83A395D@academic.fpc.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <"dJrZf.A.xOE.gMed0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1453 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:51:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 34947b0e453e516ccfd9e731a516ff52 To whom it may concern I want to unsubscribe now. The ant and I worlds apart yet share the same space - Old proverb From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 12:06:39 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 21 10:56:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYyFp-0000yn-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:56:37 -0800 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:41:08 -0500 (EST) From: ZeplinSoup@aol.com Message-ID: <971121134107_1247759412@mrin54.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Parabnormal Was Occult Loop Resent-Message-ID: <"mxQCIC.A.4JH.tYdd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1451 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:56:37 -0800 X-UIDL: 6bd8c5787585c2d7b9df264192c46b27 check out www.sounder.com and a program called cthuga( there has to be a way to hook cthuga to line input instead of cd...) for your spacin' out needs....(and good too!0 Reeve From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 12:06:40 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 21 11:14:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYyWX-0002UE-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:13:53 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199711211858.KAA25756@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Current Listening and All time top something To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:58:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <0004E721.1264@wj.com> from "Mike Biffle" at Nov 21, 97 09:39:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IEIoJD.A.kIB.Bodd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1452 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:13:53 -0800 X-UIDL: a28c5b7506ecba1a87fdf7df950449cd I just found out that Symbolic Sound now has a Type II PC card that connects their Capybara to any PC or Mac laptop. Here's the URL: http://www.symbolicsound.com/press-PC%20card.html I've been following the developments of Symbolic Sound's Kyma/Capybara system with great interest since it appears to be one of the most powerful and flexible electronic music products commercially available. Kyma is an open-ended DSP software package that can perform synthesis, effects processing, hard disk recording, sampling, etc. Capybara is the general-purpose DSP box that performs Kyma's functions in real time. Being able to take all that power to gigs in compact form (one rack for your looper and Capybara plus your laptop) yields all kinds of intriguing possibilities for loopers. No I wasn't paid by Symbolic Sound to post this; just passing along info I got from a Digital Guitar reader. :) Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 21:04:32 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 21 12:22:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xYzax-0000be-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:22:31 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711211257.HAA24072@cliff.concentric.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:04:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: need a jamman Resent-Message-ID: <"o3R5PD.A.npG.eoed0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1454 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:22:31 -0800 X-UIDL: f44fb04f635284e57fe1708724730791 >At 01:52 AM 11/21/97 -0500, you wrote: >>>I had written a couple of days ago inquiring if anyone had info on where I >>>could purchase a jamman for under list price. Thank you for your replies. >>>If anyone else has any more info, please let me know. Thanks >>> >>> Haganbr@jmu.edu >>I posted this on Sat. Dont know of status >>>>>>>>>?Anyone looking for ***New*** Jam Man in box? Price $288! - Music >>>>>>>>>Warehouse >>Louisville Ky (502)-456 -4730 . Somebody grab it ! >> >> K Law >> >> >> >> >> > >For you two newbies, (and I say that tongue-in-cheek being one myself) the >Jamman and Vortex have both been discontinued by Lexicon. Examples crop up >on the used market where they generally lanquish until some looper posts >notice of it to this group--after which the astonished seller receives >frantic queries from around the world . . . In the past few months, I've been getting private mail constantly from people looking for jammans. I guess if you do a "jamman" search the looper site comes up and my email addr is there, so..... It was a little funny at first, people asking me if they could buy my jamman(!?!), if I knew where they could find one for sale, where they could find one new for a cheap price, how much they are, etc. Now it is just annoying.... If you are looking for one, you're in good company it seems! They are hard to find, lot's of poeple are looking, and the price is definitely going up quickly. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 21:04:38 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 21 13:58:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZ15S-00025Q-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:58:06 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCF691.F95ACEA0@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: Non-Guitarist Loopers Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:27:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-yKf6C.A.hy.GEgd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1457 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:58:06 -0800 X-UIDL: 9e5f37e5be611649f1d68c683712280e Hey, what are all of you non-guitarist loopers up to in your technical and ideological approaches to looping? Especially those of you playing cello, theremin, percussion, etc. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 21:04:37 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 21 13:38:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZ0mD-00008e-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:38:13 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971121222311.0078aabc@pop.stud.ntnu.no> X-Sender: eriklj@pop.stud.ntnu.no X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:23:11 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Erik Ljones Subject: Re: A Brief Word From Obi-ville In-Reply-To: <97Nov21.090211cst.26884@gateway.gibson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"GfjY1C.A.QQG.zvfd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1456 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:38:13 -0800 X-UIDL: 8d7e46da443fd51f50e9eeb22fafb0de Miguel wrote: Instead of buying a t-shirt I would prefer to buy the Echoplex. When are we going to have them available? Tom Spaulding wrote: >I would prefer to sell you an Echoplex, but reality being what it is, >shirts I got, EDP's I do not. If having shirts made for people who are >interested in them annoys those that are not interested in them, I suggest >those not interested in them refrain from buying them.;) > Erik writes: When will EDP's be available? I would like to know. From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 21:05:17 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 21 20:51:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZ7XY-0004f4-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:51:32 -0800 Message-ID: <34761C53.3ACD@bgnet.bgsu.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:42:11 +0000 From: Jeff Schwartz X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Nels Cline References: <199711220228.SAA28359@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AD3T5.A.SdD.FKmd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1464 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:51:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 606ad88fffde0d148e64ce550be84637 I'm glad Paolo brought up Nels Cline, one of my favorite musicians and a master of the EH 16 second delay. I don't know if I'd call him a looper, he uses the delay mostly like Frisell used to (on say, Power Tools), to timestretch or reverse a phrase while it's decaying, to build clouds of noise for endings and transitions, and to get big throbbing Sonic Youth-like dissonances with one guitar in standard tuning. So now I'm going to babble about his music. Here are some records he's on besides the new Mike Watt. Mike Watt-Ballhog or Tugboat? Julius Arthur Hemphill & The JAH Band-Georgia Blue Nels Cline Trio- Silencer, Ground, Chest The Vinny Golia Quintet-Nation of Laws, Against the Grain, Razor Live from the Knitting Factory (I forget which volume) Nels Cline & Thurston Moore-Pillow Wands, In-Store The Geraldine Fibbers-Butch Nels Cline-Angelica also albums by Alex Cline, Brad Dutz, Quartet Music. others Ground and Pillow Wands are my current favorites. The composition and interplay on Ground are mindblowing in their depth and diversity, while Pillow Wands has some of the most beautiful guitar textures I've ever heard. The Vinny Golia albums give Nels tons of space to stretch out in what a smart-ass rock writer would call "post-jazz." Nels' thing (as near as I understand it) is to approach the Sonic Youth big beautiful dissonant blob aesthetic in an incredibly musically literate way at the same time he's attempting a sweet Frisell/Scofield/Metheny thing in a punk way. Like if Greg Ginn, Jim Hall, and Lee Ranaldo were all the same person... Anyway, check him out. -- Jeff Schwartz jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 21:04:51 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 21 17:35:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZ4U8-0006hS-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:35:48 -0800 From: "Bailey, Jim" To: looppost Subject: RE: Brainwave Synch Date:Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:24:00 -0500 Message-ID: <347633D9@199.71.37.25> Encoding: 18 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"SpJvVC.A.E3E.ZPjd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1459 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:35:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 5148f2ce44c980e4bf9fbc92db49b729 >Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 03:24:22 +0100 >From: 7302 <7302@ssj.dtu.dk> >Do you know about "Brainwave Synchronization" ???? About 20+ years ago one of the geek mags (either Popular or Radio Electronics) had instructions on how to build an Alpha-wave pickup which used a headband and some sort of electronics to pick up certain brainwave activities. This was then converted into not only audio, but video signals which could be displayed on a television set. Can't remember if I actually bought the mag, or if I just saw it , but it definitely existed. At around the same time, a guy named David Rosenboom was using a similar device (audio only) to create electronic music, although I don't think he used it with any sort of loops. Jim Bailey From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 21:05:02 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 21 18:11:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZ52q-000316-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:11:40 -0800 From: "Bailey, Jim" To: looppost Subject: A bit of fresh air Date:Fri, 21 Nov 1997 21:03:00 -0500 Message-ID: <34763D06@199.71.37.25> Encoding: 41 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"75wBL.A.nkB.iyjd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1460 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:11:40 -0800 X-UIDL: 8683a2a8e479b1ab672260749f75e4f7 Thanks for opening the window a bit Kim. That bit of fresh air, though, quickly turned into a gale. Not that I'm complaining; it was getting a little stuffy in here with all the tech talk, but this new thread virtually blew all of that clean out. Perhaps some of us lurkers who only pipe up to complain about the techie stuff should do more about it. The reason for taking so long to post this was trying to get through all the other posts. Phew!!! what an ordeal! (worth it though) Having said all that, here's my contributions to the fray: I'll forego the technical/technique thing, as that is described in the appropriate spot on the web page. As for Top Ten current things, I don't tend towards favouritism, as with several thousand things to choose from this would be difficult. What I have decided to do instead, is a list of what I consider to be the more important loop albums/pieces. So, in no particular order: Terry Riley - A Rainbow in Curved Air/ Poppy Nogood and the Phantom Band. What more need be said. Pauline Oliveros - I of IV. Made here in Toronto in 1966. Hugh LeCaine - Dripsody. Created using a multi-loop player of his own design which could play at variable speeds, and the sound of a single drop of water. Only two minutes long, but what a two minutes! Les Paul - just about anything. It's amazing that looping didn't take off sooner considering some of the stuff he did. Perhaps the technical difficulties at the time. Fripp and Eno - No Pussyfooting. Fripp once considered it (and may still) to be one of the best things he has recorded. Brian Eno - Discreet Music. I'm surprised that this hasn't shown up yet. Not only because of its importance, but due to the inclusion in its liner notes of a diagram for setting up the two-deck delay system. Steve Reich - It's Gonna Rain/ Come Out. See Terry Riley. Pink Floyd (actually, just Roger Waters) - Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave, and Grooving with a Pict. Just to show that looping can sometimes be fun! There's probably more, but it's past the time when I should have left work, so goodbye for now. Jim Bailey From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 21:05:07 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 21 18:32:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZ5Mo-0005Iy-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:32:18 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971122021100.00e673ec@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:11:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Brainwave Synch Cc: looppost Resent-Message-ID: <"ZSpmvD.A.a1D.OGkd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1462 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:32:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 4bba6ee657b0c6c369dd65cd36fc7391 There was a small company at NAMM a few years ago demoing a brainwave-to-midi convertor. I think they also had sensors to input heart rate, body temperature, skin conductivity, and maybe blood pressure too. It looked like it might be fun, but rather difficult to create music with. Shockingly, they failed to take the industry by storm..... kim At 08:24 PM 11/21/97 -0500, Bailey, Jim wrote: > > >>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 03:24:22 +0100 >>From: 7302 <7302@ssj.dtu.dk> > >>Do you know about "Brainwave Synchronization" ???? > >About 20+ years ago one of the geek mags (either Popular or Radio >Electronics) had instructions on how to build an Alpha-wave pickup which >used a headband and some sort of electronics to pick up certain brainwave >activities. This was then converted into not only audio, but video signals >which could be displayed on a television set. Can't remember if I actually >bought the mag, or if I just saw it , but it definitely existed. At around >the same time, a guy named David Rosenboom was using a similar device (audio >only) to create electronic music, although I don't think he used it with any >sort of loops. > >Jim Bailey > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 21:05:14 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 21 19:50:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZ6aS-0005y3-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:50:28 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199711220228.SAA28359@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: On being complete nerds To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:28:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "Kim Flint" at Nov 18, 97 11:27:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CmY2pB.A.qaE.NPld0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1463 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:50:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 300a92d612a9df612e9b8f5d02efadd2 Below is my top-ten rotation of CDs in my current listening. It's funny that just a few years ago, I was under the influence of the UCSD Music Department in that I snobbishly avoided any music that I or the professors and graduate students would consider "not innovative/creative enough". It's taken some time to open my mind and not be ashamed of liking the music I like. :) 1. Over The Sky (Vision Of Escaflowne Original Soundtrack 1). 2. Vision Of Escaflowne Original Soundtrack 2. 3. Vision Of Escaflowne Original Soundtrack 2. These first three feature the work of Yoko Kanno, my favorite soundtrack composer. Most of Kanno's work has been in Japanese anime projects and video games. Vision Of Escaflowne is an epic fantasy TV series that was a hit in Japan. About two thirds of the music feature Kanno's orchestral writing which seems to reflect a John Williams (Star Wars, the Indiana Jones movies, etc.) influence. Either that or she drew from many of the same sources as Williams (Holst, Wagner, Stravinsky, etc.) The rest of the music of these three CDs are some pop songs and instrumentals (some inspired by various ethnic forms such as Indian music and others of a more electronic nature making use of some interesting production ideas). Some tracks even have a Steve Reich influence. 4. Maaya Sakamoto - Grapefruits A solo Japanese pop album by the voice actress of the main character from Vision Of Escaflowne. This features the more pop-oriented writing of Yoko Kanno, who also produced this album. The music makes me occasionally think of Donald Fagen (the "romantic" songwriting half of Steely Dan) or the Beatles when they started producing songs with string and horn sections. The last track is U2-ish. I love Sakamoto's voice. 5. Pat Metheny Group - Imaginary Day This latest album is a real breakthrough for Pat and the gang. 6. Mike Watt - Contemplating The Engine Room Just started listening to this one. It's supposed to be a punk rock opera about three guys in the engine room of a boat. So far I like the sparse production which really brings Watt's bass playing and voice and Nel Cline's mutant jazz-punk guitar to the fore. Cline sounds like Orange County, CA's answer to Mark Ribot or some of these other crazy NYC downtown guitarists. He's definitely got his own sound, though. 7. Gustav Holst - The Planets Never fails to blow me away how much "Mars, Bringer Of War" makes me think of the Death Star (from Star Wars); particularly the scene where Han, Chewie, and the rest of the gang in the Millenium Falcon are being tractor-beamed into the evil Imperial space station. When one listens to Mars and the rest of the piece, it becomes very clear where John Williams got a lot of his ideas. 8. Modest Mussorgsky - Pictures At An Exhibition Not much to say about this classic. 9. Bela Fleck And Friends - Tabula Rasa Bela Fleck jamming with tabla players, a Chinese violin player, and an Indian slide guitarist who plays a guitar with sympathetic strings. He keeps getting called the "John McLaughlin of the banjo" - and this album doesn't help at all since some tracks will remind McLaughlin fans of Shakti - but I get the feeling he's not trying to imitate McLaughlin at all. He just happens to be a fantastically talented player who loves music in all its forms and isn't afraid to do a lot of genre hopping and to do it with style. So what if he does a lot of odd-meter stuff on this CD and on the Bela Fleck and the Flecktones albums? :) Lots of great interaction between Fleck and the other musicians. 10. Al Green - Greatest Hits Yeah, the beer commercial ("Still In Love With You") prompted me to pick this one up. Because of my past snobbery, I missed out on a lot of good R&B like this one. I love Green's voice. Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 21:05:06 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 21 18:30:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZ5LH-00058n-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:30:43 -0800 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 04:29:30 +0100 (MET) From: RHS Linux User To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Boomerang Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"47qD.A.hlD.8Dkd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1461 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:30:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 598e18b1bc759f8812abfe0c00080787 Hi everybody, Can you give me some information about "BOOMERANG PHRASE SAMPLER". What is it's quality if coompared with Jam Man? Leszek. From ???@??? Fri Nov 21 21:05:18 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 21 21:04:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZ7jb-0005u8-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 21:03:59 -0800 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:50:16 -0500 (EST) From: BlkSwan03@aol.com Message-ID: <971121235016_1314821068@mrin40.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Controller pedal Resent-Message-ID: <"s5jg0C.A.JnE.qVmd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1465 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 21:03:59 -0800 X-UIDL: 1e01a3900a8686d436873e9d1bbfb933 Neil, if you're in Portland OR (and I think you are) Apple music is selling out their supply of Digitech CC pedals. I forgot the model name but it's a simple pedal that allows you to switch (with a rotary pot) to whatever CC number you wish to effect. Apple just didn't sell any of these to anyone. Not too many people were interested. I bought one a long time ago for my Morpheus. It was not a good match cause the pedal caused notes to stick and everything had to be shut down and restarted. But maybe it will work OK with other things. (I remain wary tho) Still, they are selling them cheap and it could be worth a shot. MC 2 is what they are called. I called both Digitech and the Canadian manufacturer and both plead complete ignorance on the note sticking problem. It also hung up notes on my JV1080. A friend of mine bought the ART midi pedal board and had no problems of the sort I mentioned. Jim From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:16:42 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 06:03:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZG9E-00031X-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 06:03:00 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 08:23:03 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Canadian Loopers???? Resent-Message-ID: <"AQCOWC.A.TlC.rUud0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1476 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 06:03:00 -0800 X-UIDL: b671ecf14a496b95ed58eed9b363fbd3 Hello neighbors, I need help locating a CD. It is "Ayaya Moses" by the Fred Frith Guitar Quartet. It has been released on a Canadian label Ambiances Magnetiques. My usual contacfts in the Washington DC area have not been able to locate this. Many Thanks, Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:16:26 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 21 23:59:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZATU-0006fi-00; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:59:32 -0800 Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Non-Guitarist Loopers Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:53:22 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf71b$b4c94c00$0722dacf@sgoodman> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"i1IbLD.A.z5F.v_od0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1466 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:59:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 53f0624c5b541e0eef1bf1631e1d8fce Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com inquired: >Hey, what are all of you non-guitarist loopers up to in your technical and ideological approaches to looping? Especially those of you playing cello, theremin, percussion, etc. >From my "non-guitarist" standpoint, most of the differences between technique have to do with the line levels and other mix settings. I try to treat all the elements of a piece with equal importance, yes? Stephen Goodman * Download The Loop Of The Week and more! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios *--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:16:51 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 06:34:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZGdT-0000tq-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 06:34:15 -0800 Message-ID: <3476A679.7098@bgnet.bgsu.edu> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:31:37 +0000 From: Jeff Schwartz X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Nels Cline References: <3.0.32.19971122132358.0068b738@online.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8qqiz.A.-l.byud0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1478 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 06:34:15 -0800 X-UIDL: 08a4926a09d135b889a3c1aaaf480c95 hovard@online.no wrote: > I`m sitting here with a feeling that I have heard about Nels Cline before. > I think it was a "hometown hero" thingy in Guitar Player/World. > Does anyone else remember this? Is Nels Danish , by any chance??? Guitar Player had a short profile on Nels in the 12/97 issue. I don't know why they didn't put him (or Fripp, Frisell, Frith, Derek Bailey, etc.) on the cover instead of a montage of classic rock players hyping a story that's nothing but a list of gear (and Kim thought WE were nerds? "30 Tones that Changed the World (and How to Get Them)" is the cover story for the last issue of your 30th anniversary year?) > > I am a huge Frisell-addict and I`m curious of what "Power Tools" are/is/was? > Power Tools was a band who made a cool album on the Antilles label called Strange Meeting. Bill, Melvin Gibbs, Ronald Shannon Jackson. Out of print, but not impossible to find. Probably the most aggressive (w/o the pomo distance of say, Naked City) work Bill's done. Reminds me of live Hendrix a lot of the time in that the guitar and drums are playing very busy back and forth, while the bass is trying to hold some kind of center-not that that's not cool, you could apply the same description to a lot of live Coltrane, and Melvin Gibbs is a formidable bassist who's way more versatile than Noel Redding was... blah blah blah. Get the album. You won't regret it, if you're a Frisell fan. -- Jeff Schwartz jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:16:35 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 04:29:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZEh0-0005L4-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 04:29:46 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971122132358.0068b738@online.no> X-Sender: hovard@online.no X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 13:24:20 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hovard@online.no Subject: Re: Nels Cline Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"eCPlUD.A.osE.B9sd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1471 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 04:29:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 3fa18062de97971b22337de9d66787fd At 23:42 21.11.97 +0000, you wrote: >I'm glad Paolo brought up Nels Cline, one of my favorite >musicians and a master of the EH 16 second delay. I`m sitting here with a feeling that I have heard about Nels Cline before. I think it was a "hometown hero" thingy in Guitar Player/World. Does anyone else remember this? Is Nels Danish , by any chance??? I don't know if I'd call him a looper, he uses the delay mostly >like Frisell used to (on say, Power Tools), to timestretch >or reverse a phrase while it's decaying, to build clouds >of noise for endings and transitions, and to get big >throbbing Sonic Youth-like dissonances with one guitar in >standard tuning. I am a huge Frisell-addict and I`m curious of what "Power Tools" are/is/was? Thanks , Thomas W >So now I'm going to babble about his music. >Here are some records he's on besides the new Mike Watt. >Mike Watt-Ballhog or Tugboat? >Julius Arthur Hemphill & The JAH Band-Georgia Blue >Nels Cline Trio- Silencer, Ground, Chest >The Vinny Golia Quintet-Nation of Laws, Against the Grain, >Razor >Live from the Knitting Factory (I forget which volume) >Nels Cline & Thurston Moore-Pillow Wands, In-Store >The Geraldine Fibbers-Butch >Nels Cline-Angelica >also albums by Alex Cline, Brad Dutz, Quartet Music. >others > >Ground and Pillow Wands are my current favorites. The >composition and interplay on Ground are mindblowing in >their depth and diversity, while Pillow Wands has some of >the most beautiful guitar textures I've ever heard. The >Vinny Golia albums give Nels tons of space to stretch out >in what a smart-ass rock writer would call "post-jazz." >Nels' thing (as near as I understand it) is to approach >the Sonic Youth big beautiful dissonant blob aesthetic in >an incredibly musically literate way at the same time he's >attempting a sweet Frisell/Scofield/Metheny thing in a >punk way. Like if Greg Ginn, Jim Hall, and Lee Ranaldo >were all the same person... >Anyway, check him out. > > >-- >Jeff Schwartz >jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu >http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html > > From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:16:33 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 03:34:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZDpn-0002Kk-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 03:34:47 -0800 Message-ID: <3476CF03.72BF@infobiogen.fr> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:24:38 +0000 From: malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: Pasteur Lille X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: fernandes sustainer References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9u0s9C.A.v2B._Isd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1467 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 03:34:47 -0800 X-UIDL: 1895a6dec846af7b7464610bd21f5ebc I personnaly use the thing on my main guitar (with VG-8). I use it very often to sustain whole chords. I agree that after a time (about 10 seconds) if you play a xhord with b9, #11 and whatever, it tends to resolve on the triad. But 10 seconds... that's time, besides there are technical ways (fingers technique, I mean) wich are not different of the finger technique used to have sustain in normal situation (ie, w/out sustainer). The sustainer won't do everything. You REALLY have to play the guitar. Not just strum a few strings and let ring. Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:16:33 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 03:46:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZE0p-0003P5-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 03:46:11 -0800 Message-ID: <3476D1E6.4684@infobiogen.fr> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:36:57 +0000 From: malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: Pasteur Lille X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: was occult loop References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Xn2zOD.A.c0C.YUsd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1468 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 03:46:11 -0800 X-UIDL: a749f7b9503c7e60df724e8bcfc82a26 That's an interesting thread about others sides of music than usual listener-player interaction. I did 3 years ago, a set of looped pieces ofr guitar, for an institution working with autistic children. The idea behind was, since they are extremely resilient to changes, and since part of the autistic syndrom is an unability for the brain to process information from different sources at the same time (like associating a noise with a picture, or whatever...), looping music might be an interesting thing. I had quite very slowly evolving little loops (2 seconds). Alas, it did not have any effect, nor draw any attention. I tried, eh! Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:16:34 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 04:12:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZEQK-0004Ek-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 04:12:32 -0800 Message-ID: <3476D7F2.7EC8@infobiogen.fr> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 13:02:45 +0000 From: malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: Pasteur Lille X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jamman References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WWn0gB.A.kzD.qssd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1469 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 04:12:32 -0800 X-UIDL: ea3ad6d5ac01f1a929373f7a2d7a3d77 Sorry, I got it! I posted this on Sat. Dont know of status >>>>>>>?Anyone looking for ***New*** Jam Man in box? Price $288! - Music >>>>>>>Warehouse >>Louisville Ky (502)-456 -4730 . Somebody grab it ! From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:16:35 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 04:26:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZEdZ-000549-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 04:26:13 -0800 Message-ID: <3476DB01.B09@infobiogen.fr> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 13:15:49 +0000 From: malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: Pasteur Lille X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: AAAAERRRGGGH References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"f08rVC.A.9YE.O5sd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1470 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 04:26:13 -0800 X-UIDL: 4da6b9533e7798eb47f8b78e31cb2e5a Greg, help! I've got a new problem with the vortex! The higher the feedback gets, the lower the delay is. with a feedback of 64, there no delay anymore. It is completely silent! And it goes gradually . with a feed back of 1 (assuming the echo level is to the max) the delay and the input have the same volume. Any hints/tips, whatever (like a magic combination of switch on the machine that would restore it to its functions?) Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:16:40 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 05:29:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZFcS-0001Lo-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 05:29:08 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971122142318.006866e4@online.no> X-Sender: hovard@online.no (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:24:31 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hovard@online.no Subject: Say it out loud , I`m a geek and... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"i6BTs.A.dEB.U1td0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1475 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 05:29:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 4755d16df413f3d281dc49145af4c939 Hi , folks! I have a gear question (sorry Kim ,I need this). A year back I bought a secondhand Roland SRE 555 Chorus Echo. A friend of mine had just bought one and his was amazing; no noise ,no tape flutter and it looked mint. Needless to say, mine sucks. The reverb is dead , noise is plentiful and the echo is destroyed by a stuttering/fluttering which makes it useless. And I mean destroyed , not like a minor problem "like one must expect" from an analog tape-delay. No , something is really wrong and its killing me! "why wait a year before fixing it?" I hear you muttering, beneath the tape hiss. Coz I have been in a state of emotional and physical apathy. Picture this: young boy moves to the big city , and after settling in comes across a genuine tape-echo , the machine of his dreams!! After parting with his hard-borrowed money he takes his Holy Grail home by subway and foot. It was a dark and rainy night , my friends. Moist and cold , his trembling hands struggled to keep the Coveted One out of harms way. Aah , I was so naive! I did not remember the One and True Rule of Tape Echos: They have a mind of their own , they have temperament , If you mess with them they WILL retaliate! As I stumbled home , this strange feeling come in over me. Like a dark force had taken control , saying ; "Now you are mine...all mine". I heard laughter echoing across the hills as I ran the through the door. When I plugged it in and waited for Terje Rypdal to materialize I tought; "We`ll see who has the last laugh,he he!" It was if the 555 looked up at me and said "who needs digital , anyway?" I laughed out loud. Then I heard the gurgled sounds that came out , and I haven`t laughed since. I fell into an abyss , all energy and willpower sucked out. I went school , practised , played in bands , made polite conversation , but inside I was hollow. An empty shell. I spent the following months slowly returning to life , rebuilding my personality , waiting for the day that I could walk on stage and play through my Roland SRE 555. Then I found you. The last piece fell into place. The color returned to my cheeks , strenght was restored , hope revived. I was suddenly able to confront the problems, ask the questions that needed to be asked. Like , "how does one clean the tape-heads?" . Or rather, "Where are the tape-heads?". But most of all , "what the heck is a tape head?" . I found myself pondering over those eternal questions ; "Can I fix the reverb?" , "Is there a site on the net devoted to Tape-delays?" , "Where can I get new tapes?" And of course , this is where you fellow loopers come in. Now you have a unique chance to help someone , do something that matters, make a change in the world! My destiny rests in your mailbox , may it not go unnoticed. Yours truly, Thomas W From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:17:00 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 09:25:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZJJ7-0001PM-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:25:25 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:18:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Controller pedal Resent-Message-ID: <"xWPMaB.A.76.oRxd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1480 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:25:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 427fb4dae38658335ca7567be75754a6 >Neil, if you're in Portland OR (and I think you are) Apple music is selling >out their supply of Digitech CC pedals. I forgot the model name but it's a >simple pedal that allows >you to switch (with a rotary pot) to whatever CC number you wish to effect. > Apple just didn't sell any of these to anyone. Not too many people were >interested. I bought one a long time ago for my Morpheus. It was not a good >match cause the pedal caused notes to stick and everything had to be shut >down and restarted. But maybe it will work OK with other things. (I remain >wary tho) Still, they are selling them cheap and it could be worth a shot. > MC 2 is what they are called. I called both Digitech and the Canadian >manufacturer and both plead complete ignorance on the note sticking problem. > It also hung up notes on my JV1080. A friend of mine bought the ART midi >pedal board and had no problems of the sort I mentioned. > >Jim Actually, I've gone through 2 MC 2 pedals, had various bizarre MIDI transmission problems with both of them, I'm not particularly impressed with them as a product. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:17:01 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 09:36:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZJTl-0002UG-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:36:25 -0800 Message-ID: <347716EC.11CE@artnet.net> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:31:25 -0800 From: "Eric R. Fischer" Reply-To: efisch@artnet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Top tens References: <3476DB01.B09@infobiogen.fr> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5H0cYC.A.X6B.ncxd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1481 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:36:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 1e74ed340d2c04368b62743ad5dd7c0b Ditto on the Steroelab and Spiritualized! more essential listening as of late: Tool - ®nima -dark intelligent metal. Truelly an "Album" Radiohead - OK Computer - obvious choice for album of the year The Residents - Our Poor, Our Tired, Our Huddled Masses - 4 cd recap of thier jawdropping carrer. The Azuza Plane -Tycho Magnetic Anomality - great ambient textures Deep Purple - Machine Head 25th anniversery 2lp set on Purple vinyl - the whole album twice, one remastered and one remixed with alternate solos! Forgot how brilliant this was Gus Gus - Iclandic technoish? Lamb - Beautiful jazzy techno duo Bill Bruford & Ralph Towner (w/Eddie Gomez) - if Summer Had It's Ghosts - Nice jazz. A little stiff, but you can't beat Towners 12 str. playing. Stphen Micus - The Music Of Stones - ECM record from '89 -huge carved resonant stones played with mallets in a cathedral. Must be heard to be believed. Sylvian/Fripp - Still can't get past this record. Everything King Crimson should have been Sorry to jump on a thread late! Eric From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:17:02 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 09:46:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZJdr-0003gm-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:46:51 -0800 X-Sender: cdeupree@mail.interagp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) Subject: Re: Canadian Loopers???? Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:36:07 -0500 Message-ID: <19971122173603625.AAA217@hafler> Resent-Message-ID: <"aoc-UB.A.qtC.1jxd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1482 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:46:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 1986d39b5bc39f4339c32993ae9c1766 At 08:23 AM 11/22/97 +0200, you wrote: > >I need help locating a CD. It is "Ayaya Moses" by the Fred Frith Guitar >Quartet. It has been released on a Canadian label Ambiances Magnetiques. My >usual contacfts in the Washington DC area have not been able to locate >this. > Wayside, among others, carries the label. http://members.aol.com/Cuneiform2/cuneiform.html -- Caleb T. Deupree cdeupree@interagp.com, or cdeupree@erinet.com ;; For every complex question there is a simple answer. ;; And it is wrong. (H. L. Mencken) From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:17:02 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 09:47:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZJeg-0003n2-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:47:42 -0800 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:41:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711221741.MAA25753@shell.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: quadraverb questions!!!?? Resent-Message-ID: <"ImppsC.A.J6C.alxd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1483 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 09:47:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 26f352374941ccb57975ec24cb07d88b hey all.... anyone have a alesis quadraverb out there??? any thoughts??? pros/cons...? etc i mostly wanna know whether or not it suffers from that annoying msec delay when you cahnge programs via midi - some devices do, some don't - that delay as the software change kicks in, you know...? pls let me know anyting else about the unit - i have a chace to buy one - also what's a good ballpark proce. i know there are updated quads and the quad GT, but this is what is here, now. thanks in advance for any help, info!! andre' From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:17:04 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 10:29:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZKJ9-0007Ha-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:29:31 -0800 Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: quadraverb questions!!!?? Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:23:10 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf773$b002bb40$5122dacf@sgoodman> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"5HW8cC.A.rOG.4Myd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1484 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:29:31 -0800 X-UIDL: 3be84029b0cc3a8105234d6861edcd52 From: andre >anyone have a alesis quadraverb out there??? any thoughts??? pros/cons...? etc > >i mostly wanna know whether or not it suffers from that annoying msec delay >when you cahnge programs via midi - some devices do, some don't - that >delay as the software change kicks in, you know...? pls let me know anyting >else about the unit - i have a chace to buy one - also what's a good >ballpark proce. i know there are updated quads and the quad GT, but this is >what is here, now. I have a Quadraverb Plus - an original Quadraverb, with a firmware upgrade that apparently made it a 'plus'. I've never controlled it with midi, except with a package that was more of a patch editor than anything else... Mostly I've used a foot pedal to switch patches sequentially if I needed to. I love the unit though, it's very quiet, and when I have a noisy source, it's easy to attenuate through it. I use it on all my work, actually. :) Well, it's the only other rack unit I've got besides my DigiTech 7.6... Stephen Goodman * Download The Loop Of The Week and more! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios *--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:17:05 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 10:41:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZKV4-0000az-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:41:50 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:35:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Nels Cline Resent-Message-ID: <"xJOJGC.A.LP.1Zyd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1485 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:41:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 1b46c7ed40cf427e1b948d29f745778d At 1:24 PM 11/22/97, hovard@online.no wrote: >I am a huge Frisell-addict and I`m curious of what "Power Tools" are/is/was? > Power Tools is trio record with Frisell, Melvin Gibbs on bass guitar and Ronald Shannon Jackson on drums, recorded in the mid to late 80's, '86 maybe? (sorry I don't have more specific info, my copy is loaned out at the moment). It's a very fine record, but I understand it is out of print. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:17:06 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 10:55:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZKhv-0001Ir-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:55:07 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19971122185120.00694074@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: gls@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:51:20 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Grover Sheffield Subject: Re: fernandes sustainer Resent-Message-ID: <"-sFaaC.A.yAB.Cnyd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1486 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:55:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 7a2115ce433a99fc15edc2a19116e3b6 Greetings... Any loopers or other fingerstyle guitarist/jazz players in city of Paris, France that I could connect with November 26-December 1, 1997? Any other recommendations for catching local musicians (I speak little to no french yet!)? TIA Grover > From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:17:09 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 12:27:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZM9T-0006jy-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:27:39 -0800 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:21:28 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Dubofsky To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: quadraverb questions!!!?? In-Reply-To: <199711221741.MAA25753@shell.monmouth.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"6pw_3C.A.90F.N7zd0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1487 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:27:39 -0800 X-UIDL: c9dd86dc7315e473fc3b8affadc05940 On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, andre wrote: > hey all.... > > anyone have a alesis quadraverb out there??? any thoughts??? pros/cons...? etc I use a QV GT and love it. Honestly I can't think of any cons except the delays don't sync to midi clocks. > > i mostly wanna know whether or not it suffers from that annoying msec delay > when you cahnge programs via midi - some devices do, some don't - that > delay as the software change kicks in, you know...? pls let me know anyting > else about the unit - i have a chace to buy one - also what's a good > ballpark proce. i know there are updated quads and the quad GT, but this is > what is here, now. There's a delay for sure. The older GT's can be found under $200 US. I got mine for $125. steve d Skullsaw may cause irritation and watering of the eyes. DO NOT use Skullsaw if pregnant. Studies show Skullsaw may be habit forming. Consult your physician. http://www.gti.net/skullsaw From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:17:14 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 13:28:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZN6c-0002fc-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 13:28:46 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 16:29:39 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Ph.D.) Subject: Re: bye for now... Resent-Message-ID: <"XjPC5B.A.CBC.k10d0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1488 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 13:28:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 1610b6820fcda5ba0e0cc3906b9b63cc Ok Jim ... let me know what is happening ... and if I can help you >Hi all, > >Due to work circumstances, I must temporarilly unsubscribe from Loopers >Delight. Normally I wouldn't consider my departure of such import, but for >those of you who are anticipating my organization of the Mid-Atlantic Loop >Show, I assure you that I am still good to go on it! I have your names and >addresses and will be contacting you soon, I hope. > >Jim Speer >Philadelphia Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. email = ppoplawski@state.de.us or paulpop@ssnet.com phone service = 302/737-4491 weekday office = 302/577-4980 From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:17:15 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 14:15:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZNpy-0004wT-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:15:38 -0800 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:11:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711222211.RAA08700@cliff.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Say it out loud , I`m a geek and... Resent-Message-ID: <"VjHBZ.A.ZXE.ti1d0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1489 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:15:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 7789c393708e661d5dc964dacc8125c4 At 02:24 PM 11/22/97 +0100, you wrote: > > >Hi , folks! I have a gear question (sorry Kim ,I need this). > >A year back I bought a secondhand Roland SRE 555 Chorus Echo. A friend of >mine had just bought one and his was amazing; no noise ,no tape flutter and >it looked mint. Needless to say, mine sucks. The reverb is dead , noise is >plentiful and the echo is destroyed by a stuttering/fluttering which makes >it useless. And I mean destroyed , not like a minor problem "like one must >expect" from an analog tape-delay. No , something is really wrong and its >killing me! "why wait a year before fixing it?" I hear you muttering, >beneath the tape hiss. Coz I have been in a state of emotional and physical >apathy. Picture this: young boy moves to the big city , and after settling >in comes across a genuine tape-echo , the machine of his dreams!! After >parting with his hard-borrowed money he takes his Holy Grail home by subway >and foot. It was a dark and rainy night , my friends. Moist and cold , his >trembling hands struggled to keep SNIP needs digital , anyway?" I >laughed out loud. Then I heard the gurgled sounds that came out , and I >haven`t laughed since. >I fell into an abyss , all energy and willpower sucked out. I went school , >practised , played in bands , made polite conversation , but inside I was >hollow. An empty shell. >I spent the following months slowly returning to life , rebuilding my >personality , waiting for the day that I could walk on stage and play >through my Roland SRE 555. > >Then I found you. > >The last piece fell into place. The color returned to my cheeks , strenght >was restored , hope revived. I was suddenly able to confront the problems, >ask the questions that needed to be asked. Like , "how does one clean the >tape-heads?" . Or rather, "Where are the tape-heads?". But most of all , >"what the heck is a tape head?" . I found myself pondering over those >eternal questions ; "Can I fix the reverb?" , "Is there a site on the net >devoted to Tape-delays?" , "Where can I get new tapes?" And of course , >this is where you fellow loopers come in. Now you have a unique chance to >help someone , do something that matters, make a change in the world! > >My destiny rests in your mailbox , may it not go unnoticed. > >Yours truly, Thomas W > > > > > Thomas: I went through the same thing, 'cept it was my girlfriend, not my tape delay. Your poignant narrative makes my experience seem shallow by comparison ;) " A Boy and his Roland". Tonight, I'll say a little prayer for you, man. drone on~~~~~~~~~~Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:17:17 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 14:36:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZOA9-0006SD-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:36:30 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3476A679.7098@bgnet.bgsu.edu> References: <3.0.32.19971122132358.0068b738@online.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Power Tools Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:31:37 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"iAemk.A.3oF.V11d0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1490 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:36:30 -0800 X-UIDL: bbe51dabf6889b61397d2400965ae95b >> > >Power Tools was a band who made a cool album on the >Antilles label called Strange Meeting. Bill, Melvin Gibbs, >Ronald Shannon Jackson. Out of print, but not impossible >to find. Probably the most aggressive (w/o the pomo >distance of say, Naked City) work Bill's done. Reminds me >of live Hendrix a lot of the time in that the guitar and >drums are playing very busy back and forth, while the bass >is trying to hold some kind of center-not that that's not >cool, you could apply the same description to a lot of >live Coltrane, and Melvin Gibbs is a formidable bassist >who's way more versatile than Noel Redding was... blah >hovard@online.no >wrote: > >> Power tools also did continue after Bill left with Pete Cosey( Miles ) >>taking filling the big man's shoes . As you can imagine the sound of this >>band changed considerably . I think Cosey played abit of G synth along >>with some keybrd work. The only recorded document of this line up that I >>know of is a live Knitting Factory radio show tape. >> Nels is cool > Ive seen him a few times in Santa Monica where he hosts a >>improvisational music series every monday night.Must be on hiatus now - >>He played here last week with Mike Watt. K Law From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:17:18 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 14:40:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZODi-0006pD-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:40:10 -0800 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:35:12 -0500 (EST) From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: <971122173512_1738730579@mrin51.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: I'm Volunteering!!!!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"QRnpJD.A.lBG.e51d0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1491 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:40:10 -0800 X-UIDL: c9f84d0c0d69847fa4619edadd5092d8 All musican's seem to sometimes loose track of what we're up to, sounds like the CD project guy did that. Glad to see a little faith that his intentions were good. Suspect that he can be found. Where could I find out more about the project and possibly contribute? P.S. Any acoustic guitar loopers out there? I'll be putting up a web site for acoustic guitars soon. Let me know.l Thanks! From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:17:33 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 19:44:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZSyH-0002Kz-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 19:44:33 -0800 Message-ID: <34775F9D.184D@bgnet.bgsu.edu> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 22:41:33 +0000 From: Jeff Schwartz X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Power Tools/Nels Cline (not much looping content) References: <3.0.32.19971122132358.0068b738@online.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ntd46C.A.89B.4W6d0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1497 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 19:44:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 2527afc2339a31a95b65c6ef3022c70b klaw@iglou.com wrote: > >> Power tools also did continue after Bill left with Pete Cosey( Miles ) > >>taking filling the big man's shoes . As you can imagine the sound of this > >>band changed considerably . I think Cosey played abit of G synth along > >>with some keybrd work. The only recorded document of this line up that I > >>know of is a live Knitting Factory radio show tape. > Who's got a copy of this? I'm a freak for Pete Cosey's playing & want to hear as much as I can. Here's what I know of: Muddy Waters-Electric Mud Miles Davis-Agharta, Pangea, Dark Magus, Get Up with It, En Concert avec Europe1, Call it what it is, Berlin '73, Another Bitches Brew Mtume-Rebirth Cycle Herbie Hancock-Future Shock I know there was a Howlin' Wolf Electric Wolf album, don't know if Pete was on it, but I think so. So is that it? The entire Pete Cosey discography? > >> Nels is cool > Ive seen him a few times in Santa Monica where he hosts a > >>improvisational music series every monday night.Must be on hiatus now - > >>He played here last week with Mike Watt. > > K Law That's cool. I though Joe Bazia (from Universal Congress Of & The Mecolodiacs) was doing the Watt tour cuz Nels was out with the Geraldine Fibbers. I'll be in L.A. next week & will get the story on New Music Monday at the Alligator Lounge (the hippest scene in L.A.). -- Jeff Schwartz jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:17:25 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 15:51:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZPKq-0003gQ-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:51:36 -0800 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19971122234624.00684ba8@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: gls@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 17:46:24 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Grover Sheffield Subject: Re: I'm Volunteering!!!!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"f7RPOC.A.MID.h72d0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1493 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:51:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 329b5e6386ac972d0110bbe0c4ebe466 At 05:35 PM 11/22/97 -0500, you wrote: >P.S. Any acoustic guitar loopers out there? I'll be putting up a web site >for acoustic >guitars soon. Let me know.l > >Thanks! I play acoustic, but am waiting for the EP to come out before I start looping, so keep me in touch! Grover From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:17:31 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 19:21:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZSbO-0000NB-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 19:20:54 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971123041446.006a264c@online.no> X-Sender: hovard@online.no (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 04:14:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hovard@online.no Subject: Re: Say it out loud , I`m a geek and... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"MjhKRB.A.XQH.s_5d0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1494 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 19:20:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 3ffb30b06e38cffcdc4136285263cd7f >Thomas: > >I went through the same thing, 'cept it was my girlfriend, not my tape >delay. Your poignant narrative makes my experience seem shallow by >comparison ;) > >" A Boy and his Roland". Tonight, I'll say a little prayer for you, man. > >drone on~~~~~~~~~~Tom >Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net > Hey Tom! Good to see someone understanding the tragedy of all this. So show me some respect , I know what pain is! :) I`ll let you know when I`m fully restored and on my feet....... Thomas > > From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:17:33 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 19:26:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZSh4-00010h-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 19:26:46 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971123041917.006a5590@online.no> X-Sender: hovard@online.no (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 04:19:18 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hovard@online.no Subject: Re: Nels Cline Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"7PalbC.A.nT.AE6d0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1496 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 19:26:46 -0800 X-UIDL: f6a8bad72a9637fe1f176b95a283b22f Hey ,everybody who followed the little tread about Niels Cline ; I was over at Guitar Player online and checked out what the next issue contained , and whaddya know , "Niels Cline details the life of a double method guitarist" (?). I can`t wait to read it......Now if I could just locate a cd of him here in No(r)way........ Thomas From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:17:32 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 19:24:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZSeb-0000jS-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 19:24:13 -0800 Message-ID: <3477A20D.6EA3@dmans.com> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 21:25:01 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qrAjwD.A.jH.VC6d0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1495 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 19:24:13 -0800 X-UIDL: f47baab491a6e3b1f3ed7255b6da7b0c > Can you give me some information about "BOOMERANG PHRASE SAMPLER". > What is it's quality if coompared with Jam Man? The Boomerang is a 17"x6"x2" floor pedal made of 18 gauge steel and painted with epoxy catalized paint. It uses computer technology not "bucket brigade" analog chips. Back panel has main in & out (1/4" phone), aux in & out (RCA), mic/line/inst switch with trim pot. You can place this unit anywhere you want in the signal path. The power supply is a 9VAC 500mA transformer (wall wart). Sampling specs: 16 bit samples, linear PCM, no compression, 16K and 8K sampling rates. Obviously not CD quality, but a subjective spec is that this unit sounds very good with guitar, bass or vocals. I use mine with a GR50 guitar synth and like the sound. We have sold over 1000 units, and have heard sound quality complaints from about 4 or 5 people. There are players who performs solo with a Rang and an acoustic guitar and love it. We have violinist, cellists, vocalists, trombone players, sax players, and, of course, electric bass and guitar players using the Rang. Most complaints come from people using synthesizers. Daniel Lanois (guitar) used one on two tracks for the Slingblade soundtrack, and Steve Tavaglioni (sax & wind synth) used one extensively on the Red Corner soundtrack. The Rang records, loops, stacks many parts (I do 3 to 6 routinely), plays in reverse, plays at half speed (learn licks off of CD's or create bass parts), plays at double speed, and plays reverse leads LIVE. When stacking parts, each part may be forward or reverse; then, when a musical creation is complete, the whole thing can be played forward or reverse. The live reverse lead feature is unique and cool. The Rang records and plays simultaneously, turning each phrase or lick around. If you turn off the normal signal from your instrument (the THRU MUTE switch on the Rang), then the audience hears only the reverse part. The Rang has no MIDI capability, so if remote triggering or synching to a drum machine is important, then it may not be for you. The Jam Dude has MIDI. Check our web page. Best regards, Mike Nelson, co-owner Boomerang Musical Products PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595 Tel 800-530-4699 (outside USA, 214-340-6913) Fax 214-343-1038 email mnelson@dmans.com web page http://www.boomerangmusic.com From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 03:17:35 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 22 21:30:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZUcf-0000Cd-00; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 21:30:21 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971122212336.00a00100@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 21:23:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: jamman on rec.music.makers.marketplace In-Reply-To: <199711220228.SAA28359@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"8_p67B.A.EKH.a57d0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1498 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 21:30:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 23f4c62b797955f596286a4d69ea3e4e this was on usenet - it's not mine - don't email me From: flatnine@tiac.net (Sandro Scoccia) Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.marketplace Subject: FS Lexicon JamMan Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:06:36 -0500 Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: d6.dial-2.met.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 23 Nov 1997 05:03:02 GMT X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.4.0 Lexicon Jamman for sale. the best offer by December 6 takes it, I'll pay the shipping anywhere in the US. make an offer at: flatnine@tiac.net From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 19:02:24 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 23 04:28:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZb9W-0007Qg-00; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 04:28:42 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: garcia.efn.org: fletk owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 04:27:49 -0800 (PST) From: Ken Fletcher To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Steam-powered looping Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"p2hRFC.A.dtG.NCCe0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1499 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 04:28:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 24c11f713624aa987169b0f694b3f531 Hi Jim-- Thank you very much for taking the time to expand on some details of one- and two-deck tape looping. I really appreciate it, and next time I see a decent reel-to-reel deck (to pair with my current one) come available, I'll think twice about passing it up! Since you did give me permission to post your e-mail on the list, I'm gonna do it because others here may find it interesting and helpful. Thanks again! -Ken Fletcher On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Bailey, Jim wrote: ::: :::I don't know if you've had any other replies besides the one from Bret, but :::I thought I'd mention a few things that might be somewhat useful, having :::worked with both kinds of loops for 20+ years (and still doing so!). ::: :::As for the closed-loop, single deck version, unless you can disable the :::erase head, this is really only good for creating a static loop (i.e. one :::that doesn't change) for a background to other sounds. With the erase head :::disabled, however, you run the risk of sounds building up until they become :::undifferentiated goop. Another major sticking point (literally and :::figuratively), is that splice. It does tend to sepatate after a while, so :::caution should be exercised. ::: :::Regarding the two-deck method: ::: :::(heavy sarcasm mode ON)You want to know about this and DON'T have Eno's :::_Discreet Music_? NAUGHTY, NAUGHTY, NAUGHTY!!! Rectify this situation AT :::ONCE!(heavy sarcasm mode OFF) The reason I mention this, is not only because :::it is one of the best examples of the genre, but also because the liner :::notes contain a diagram of the set-up which is clear enough even on the :::miniaturized CD version. ::: ::: Bret's description was accurate enough, so I won't repeat any of that, :::but one thing to keep in mind is that no two decks will run at the same :::speed (a feature which Steve Reich took advantage of in some of his early :::tape pieces). This means that you will have one of two situations happening :::when the tape is running: If the faster deck is feeding, the tape will sag :::between the decks until there is a large pile on the floor which could cause :::problems later; conversely, if the slower deck is feeding, it could cause :::the tape to stretch (although with most good quality machines this shouldn't :::be a problem - at least I haven't found it so). If you want to get really :::fancy, it is possible to control the speed of one machine so that it matches :::perfectly with the other, although Revox is the only maker I know of who :::provides such an option (outsice of professional machines, of course), which :::is probably one of the main reasons Fripp and Eno used them. The advantage :::of speed matching, besides overcoming the above problems, is that there is :::less distortion of the signal on playback as well as other anomalies which :::seem to sneak in, and so the repetitions are cleaner and can last longer. I :::don't have any of that nifty shit, however, just a couple of Tandbergs, so :::it's a bit tricky, but also gives some wondeous and unexpected results, :::precisely the reason why I prefer this system. ::: Depending on whether the input signal is mono or stereo, one may want to :::swap the channels on the return path to the record deck, so that left goes :::to right and vice versa. This can be especially effective for mono signals, :::and can be done using the pan controls on a mixer, or simply by reversing a :::pair of patch cables. ::: To prove how adaptable the system is, I even did some loops using an :::ultra-cheap Sears portable machine for the playback. Very interesting :::results. As for your concerns about damage to the deck from the :::free-spinning reel, it doesn't seem to have had a noticable effect on my :::machines, although I suppose it could wear out the hub brakes a bit faster :::than normal. My advice? Definitely go for it if you can snag another deck! ::: :::Although I'm sending this to you as personal mail, feel free to post it to :::the list if you like. BTW, sorry about the lack of a formal opening, but I :::realized that I'd forgotten to save your name along with the address. ::: :::Good luck, and happy looping! ::: :::Jim Bailey ::: From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 19:02:28 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 23 07:18:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZdnt-0001oE-00; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 07:18:33 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34775F9D.184D@bgnet.bgsu.edu> References: <3.0.32.19971122132358.0068b738@online.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Re: Power Tools/Nels Cline (not much looping content) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:13:24 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"0LUBaD.A.GbB.YgEe0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1500 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 07:18:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 1a6547e4e980e594de8a81791e324ba7 >klaw@iglou.com wrote: > >> >> Power tools also did continue after Bill left with Pete Cosey( Miles ) >> >>taking filling the big man's shoes . As you can imagine the sound of this >> >>band changed considerably . I think Cosey played abit of G synth along >> >>with some keybrd work. The only recorded document of this line up that I >> >>know of is a live Knitting Factory radio show tape. >> > >Who's got a copy of this? I'm a freak for Pete Cosey's >playing & want to hear as much as I can. Here's what I >know of: >Muddy Waters-Electric Mud >Miles Davis-Agharta, Pangea, Dark Magus, Get Up with It, >En Concert avec Europe1, Call it what it is, Berlin '73, >Another Bitches Brew >Mtume-Rebirth Cycle >Herbie Hancock-Future Shock >I know there was a Howlin' Wolf Electric Wolf album, don't >know if Pete was on it, but I think so. >So is that it? The entire Pete Cosey discography? > >> Actually I believe I do have a copy . Let me see if I can dig it out& >>Ill let you know. K Law From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 19:02:35 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 23 12:25:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZibK-00069D-00; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:25:54 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCF80A.30E35EE0.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: On being complete nerds (and longhairs) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:03:39 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iLqoCB.A.ZUF.XAJe0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1501 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:25:54 -0800 X-UIDL: e80a6ca54c8cde9d3a1e74cf46788b2e Paolo said: >Below is my top-ten rotation of CDs in my current listening. It's funny that >just a few years ago, I was under the influence of the UCSD Music Department >in that I snobbishly avoided any music that I or the professors and graduate >students would consider "not innovative/creative enough". It's taken some >time to open my mind and not be ashamed of liking the music I like. :) Good for you! Yeah, too bad about much of music academia: self confidence in one's musical autonomy is constructed and deconstructed at the same time. But that's another discussion... Great list! >...8. Modest Mussorgsky - Pictures At An Exhibition >Not much to say about this classic. ... Allow me: (The following is a peripheral-to-the-topic, Sunday morning introspection, but I do eventually get around to looping. It is not nearly as, shall we say, stimulating as a Butt Looper!) Pictures: I'm curious if you have a fave performance, Paolo - there are so many. Although I do enjoy the orchestral recordings, I'm partial to Mussorgsky's original score for solo piano. (Loren Hollander's version is exceptionally dynamic and expressive, but unfortunately out of print.) IMHO, Ravel's orchestration was an extraordinary accomplishment, but I almost think something was lost - the original piano score's unadorned elegance and starkness are less evident in more texturally complex orchestral renditions. (Some critics are even less charitable about Ravel's effort, bless 'em. Hey, each to his/her own! Would that our respective talents were all as generously endowed as Ravel's! ...Hmmm, that didn't sound quite right...) So what does this have to do with looping? Well, it got me to thinking what Ravel might have done with an electronically enhanced orchestra and looping devices/instruments. Or Mussorgsky, for that matter. Although for me, in this case, MM's composition and choice of instrument virtually define each other. Anyway, seems like it would have been pretty cool. (Remember Emerson, Lake, and Palmer's version? Took a lot of b-, uh, guts to tread in MM's enormous footprints. I lost that album, the vinyl kind, in a move long ago. It's reissued on CD. Wonder how it has stood the test of time?) This brings up the related thread about compositional approach and inspiration, to which I'd like to add: The differences between MM's original, and Ravel's interpretation (independent of one's personal preference or opinion) are excellent examples of the challenge that all musicians face. We continually make decisions, consciously and unconsciously, about the validity/necessity/success of each component and layer in our "audio collages" (yeah, great description). For us modern loopers, the relative profusion of tools that allows us to easily build incredibly dense, multi-layered sounds can be both a blessing and a curse. It is tempting to add more and more, because it's fun, and it's easy! However, we must be careful not to suffocate the unaffected freshness, vitality, --rawness!-- that illuminate our expressions. That's what inspired us to create them in the first place. laurie >From TimeLor@Mountain.net Sun Nov 23 12:27:28 1997 From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 19:02:34 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 23 12:25:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZiak-00066T-00; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:25:18 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCF80A.33580860.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Bungle Good Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:05:09 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hHW3i.A.jVF.dAJe0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1502 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:25:18 -0800 X-UIDL: bba7c3b83c2d0d969f77a86fee131adb Jamie said: >I would like to unanimously agree with Kim's post about Mr Bungle. Ditto that. >Fortunately, I saw them in brisbane a year ago, and the show was crowded, but >not a total sellout. (Who would have thought living in Brisbane would have it's >perks...) >The crowd was a diverse sample to say the least. I can only imagine. Even put Berkeley's best to shame, no doubt. (For anyone unfamiliar with its cultural geography, "Berserkeley" prides itself on exploring all the options.) >In a strange way Mr Bungle are at the same time the antithesis of music and the >icon of music. Perceptive statement. I only heard the first three cuts from Disco Volante, but these guys don't waste any time letting you know that you're in for a ride. Not exactly elevator music. If it was, the suspension cable would have to be a bungee cord! (Hey, how about "Elastic" mode on a looping device? Temporal disequalizer, cc pedal? Has this been done?) >Also, like a lot of loopers around the place, they use a lot of interesting >techniques to get their sound. >The mix of sound I experienced at the Bungle concert was so clear, that I could >hear every nuance from every musician. Not a small feat considering what they >played and how often they do a musical about-face. That really is amazing. These guys have lotz 'o chopz, ignited by intense energy. Sort of Ornette Coleman, The Next Generation. laurie From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 19:02:38 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 23 13:38:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZjjx-0001nu-00; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 13:38:53 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971123130824.0092f380@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 13:08:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: On being complete nerds (and longhairs) In-Reply-To: <01BCF80A.30E35EE0.lahatch@dnai.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"jbDbkD.A.IXB.LFKe0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1503 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 13:38:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 7cee1f4705ee694e81965f1afc594db3 Or Mekong Delta's version? Interesting bunch of guys that never properly attributed much of the work they released as their own. At 12:03 PM 11/23/97 -0800, you wrote: >>...8. Modest Mussorgsky - Pictures At An Exhibition > >>Not much to say about this classic. ... > >Allow me: > [snip] >devices/instruments. Or Mussorgsky, for that matter. Although for me, in this >case, MM's composition and choice of instrument virtually define each other. > Anyway, seems like it would have been pretty cool. (Remember Emerson, Lake, >and Palmer's version? Took a lot of b-, uh, guts to tread in MM's enormous >footprints. I lost that album, the vinyl kind, in a move long ago. It's >reissued on CD. Wonder how it has stood the test of time?) From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 19:02:43 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 23 15:16:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZlGW-0006Ss-00; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:16:36 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971124001100.006a41c4@online.no> X-Sender: hovard@online.no X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 00:11:02 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hovard@online.no Subject: Re: Say it out loud , I`m a geek and... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ZRfTZC.A.uqF.LhLe0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1504 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:16:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 3a94381d54ceff8ba3f3eee8833ed88a >Thomas: > >I went through the same thing, 'cept it was my girlfriend, not my tape >delay. Your poignant narrative makes my experience seem shallow by >comparison ;) > >" A Boy and his Roland". Tonight, I'll say a little prayer for you, man. > >drone on~~~~~~~~~~Tom >Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net > Hey Tom! Good to see someone understanding the tragedy of all this. So show me some respect , I know what pain is! :) I`ll let you know when I`m fully restored and on my feet....... Thomas > > From ???@??? Sun Nov 23 19:02:43 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 23 15:16:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZlGb-0006TQ-00; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:16:41 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971124001116.0068ce78@online.no> X-Sender: hovard@online.no X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 00:11:17 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hovard@online.no Subject: Re: Nels Cline Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"YlGzZ.A.nsF.chLe0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1505 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:16:41 -0800 X-UIDL: e197a50973ebc8e8477bf55fe345f46d Hey ,everybody who followed the little tread about Niels Cline ; I was over at Guitar Player online and checked out what the next issue contained , and whaddya know , "Niels Cline details the life of a double method guitarist" (?). I can`t wait to read it......Now if I could just locate a cd of him here in No(r)way........ Thomas From ???@??? Mon Nov 24 10:28:19 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 24 09:17:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xa28V-0005NC-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:17:27 -0800 Message-Id: <199711241638.IAA23902@scv2.apple.com> Subject: Re: effect sends and switchers Date: Mon, 24 Nov 97 10:42:17 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"CfMKZB.A.6tD.SQbe0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1513 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:17:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 5cade20d73ec91e807407fd45a5f49fb >I'm also down to one effect send on my mixer and since I refuse to use >patchbays (I'm patching modular synth equipment non-stop so I really don't >need further worries.), I'm curious to know how the guitar loopers out >there >cope with this situation. I'm sure there are a few of you out there with >more >than two loopers.. What I do is take the stereo outs from my guitar preamp, and run one into a Digitech 3.6 sec delay. It has three outs, mix, dry, and inverted mix. The mix is set to 100% wet and sent to one channel of my mixer. The dry is sent to another channel. The other preamp out feeds a DOD 8second delay pedal, set to 100% wet going to a third channel. Effects send 1 on my mixer feeds an Echoplex, which returns not to effects return, but to a fourth channel. Effects send 2 goes to a Vortex. This setup doesn't allow me to send anything to any other possible destination, but in practice I haven't found the need for that. However, in the brand new Guitar Player, I saw notice of a 1-in/8-out splitter called the Studio Ho, which I'll be purchasing ASAP (lists for $179). With my current setup, levels can fluctuate depending on whether or not one of the delays is active, and I'm sure it's a horrible set of mismatchs, but it works for now. Once I get the Studio Ho, which is completely buffered, I'll send the out from the preamp to that, and use that to feed the delays. This will also allow me to add more delays and hopefully a second Vortex. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Mon Nov 24 10:27:44 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 24 02:05:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZvOj-0004xu-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 02:05:45 -0800 Message-ID: <34795C9A.275F@infobiogen.fr> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:53:16 +0000 From: malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: Pasteur Lille X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V97 #212 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AnWfQC.A.MBE.q_Ue0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1506 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 02:05:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 56b3161cecc3b44f9aa38574add52b25 " Any loopers or other fingerstyle guitarist/jazz players in city of Paris, France that I could connect with November 26-December 1, 1997?" Ah. You hit me in my soft spot... Loopers in france... Geee. I wonder if more than 3 persons have bought jammen, and probably, the EDP has never seen the french skies... They are a few persons make loop oriented muisc taht I know in my area, butit is 200 Km from Paris. None performs loop music, they do it mostly at home with old limited toys... As for Jazz playing, there are plenty plenty plenty. If they are to be catched by you (I know nothing of touring schedule) try to find N'Guyen Le, Marc Ducret... There are places that have concerts all week long like the "New Morning". I'll check for more... Olivier Malhomme Besides I wonder if there is another french person here... From ???@??? Mon Nov 24 10:27:45 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 24 03:23:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZwc3-0000KK-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 03:23:35 -0800 Message-ID: <34795EDE.858E3E17@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:02:54 +0100 From: "c.voit" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: wonder if there is another french person here... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <34795C9A.275F@infobiogen.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qVIKF.A.DG.xKWe0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1507 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 03:23:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 8379369d594dfa9d962bacca9bcd8d24 salut a tous amateurs de boucles de plaisirs wouln't the list be more colourful if the greetings were done in our mother tongue ALABIENTOT Claude From ???@??? Mon Nov 24 10:27:56 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 24 05:46:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZyqK-0004sd-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 05:46:28 -0800 Message-Id: <199711241335.IAA20966@mail.colba.net> From: "Julia & Dave" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: effect sends and switchers Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:42:57 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mQwblD.A.YRE.rPYe0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1508 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 05:46:28 -0800 X-UIDL: cd84719e630875506e77a2f159df6d2d Hi, I'm only a couple hours away from picking up a Delta Lab DL-1 delay, , DL-5 Harmonicomputer and a Digitech RDS-4000 Time Machine. I'm also down to one effect send on my mixer and since I refuse to use patchbays (I'm patching modular synth equipment non-stop so I really don't need further worries.), I'm curious to know how the guitar loopers out there cope with this situation. I'm sure there are a few of you out there with more than two loopers.. I've never used switching systems, but I think they could be useful in this case. Any tips? TIA, D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N jndk@colba.net http://www.total.net/~alien8/Kristian.html P.S. I wish someone would make a small mixer WITHOUT mike inputs for once and give more than two or three sends. From ???@??? Mon Nov 24 10:28:13 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 24 08:37:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xa1Vh-0001Fd-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:37:21 -0800 Message-Id: <14943.199711241625@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:25:33 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD) Subject: Re: andy summers show... Resent-Message-ID: <"g7mOSD.A.IP.Drae0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1510 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:37:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 60a938f779027cabdc9d15582f0137ce Andre: >if ANDY Summers is coming to your town on his short (20-25 date) tour of US >east & west coasts - do go see him - i just saw the (moderately attended) >wetlands NYC show - first of the tour, and it rocked - or actually, it >jazzed - Andy's playing a ton of standards, and standards-ish material - his >new CD with Tony Levin, Gregg Bissonette is awesome, if you like jazz guitar >with balls and modern tones.... the cd also features on one cut, Bernie >Dresel(dr) and Jerry Watts (bs) who are his fine touring band.... It's funny, but the most recent Andy Summers material fails to excite me the way his Police / XYZ stuff did. It's as if he's become _too_ competent - his older playing always sounded as if he was fighting to find the next note, a sense of tension and playing on the edge of his ability (Steve Howe gives the same impression to me) where no-one knows how anything will turn out. His more recent stuff seems so slick it's heading towards more generic fusion. His "new age" release "Mysterious Barricades" is still a big influence on my playing (probably more than Fripp, whost style he seems to imitate on this album)... Comments anyone? Michael From ???@??? Mon Nov 24 10:28:15 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 24 09:08:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xa1zq-0004DI-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:08:30 -0800 Message-Id: <199711241648.IAA28489@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: andy summers show... Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:56:27 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QD_2sC.A.0jC.JFbe0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1511 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:08:30 -0800 X-UIDL: cbfaeb78ec1cb765f64c55bd710d5c52 > From: Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD > It's funny, but the most recent Andy Summers material fails to excite me > the way his Police / XYZ stuff did. It's as if he's become _too_ competent I would agree. I've purchased every one of his solo albums and end up wondering why. Although, there is always one song I like on each disc. XYZ had some high points...but he should have found a singer. The first cut off of "The Golden Wire" is a still one of my personal favorites. > - his older playing always sounded as if he was fighting to find the next > note, a sense of tension and playing on the edge of his ability (Steve Howe > gives the same impression to me) where no-one knows how anything will turn > out. His more recent stuff seems so slick it's heading towards more IMO, this most innovative work was with the Police...BUT....his tone and (subtle) use of effects is just as good today. I'm not a huge fan of jazz so his solo albums are a little harder for me to digest....and I can't help but wonder what would happen if he used a little more of his rock vocabulary in this writing. But, his approach to guitar and melody are still unique and interesting. I particularly like the way he slides off of notes and his warm, smooth, sustaining lead tone. > Comments anyone? I was glad to see that David H..? was not involved in the production of "The Last Dance of Mr. X." His cheesy keyboard sounds really bugged me!! Matt From ???@??? Mon Nov 24 10:28:16 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 24 09:08:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xa1zx-0004E7-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:08:37 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Vortex Alert Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:56:49 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"wliyY.A.M1C.oHbe0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1512 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:08:37 -0800 X-UIDL: b3a17cc25e89173840b4dded1078dd2b Monday Nov 24 . 4 Vortexes in stock -$235ea>>>>>>>Warehouse >>Louisville Ky (502)-456 -4730 . These are new in box units w footswitch manual etc.Music Warehouse> Louisville Ky 502 -456- 4730 Open til 10 pm today. K Law From ???@??? Mon Nov 24 10:28:24 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 24 09:42:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xa2WU-0000KY-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:42:14 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971124123338.006e22c0@dharma.mitre.org> X-Sender: seligman@dharma.mitre.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:33:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Len Seligman Subject: Re: Vortex Alert In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"PcKErD.A.crG.Dpbe0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1516 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:42:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 540fa99bc71be385ad10e463b5a3ca40 At 11:56 AM 11/24/97 -0500, you wrote: > Monday Nov 24 . 4 Vortexes in stock -$235ea>>>>>>>Warehouse >>Louisville >Ky (502)-456 -4730 . These are new in box units w footswitch manual >etc.Music Warehouse> Louisville Ky 502 -456- 4730 Open til 10 pm today. > I just got one of them. The guy said they were really $299, but he "let it go" for $250 plus shipping. -Len From ???@??? Mon Nov 24 10:28:32 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 24 09:57:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xa2kz-00028U-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:57:13 -0800 Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Brainwave Synch Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:43:58 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf900$8b1ed0a0$e33bd4cc@CIS.compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"lND8RD.A.O2.e2be0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1517 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:57:13 -0800 X-UIDL: e79381e2755ce10694b03d0fd9b3e862 I've never used it, but apparently CoolEdit has wave generation on that level.. Anyone tried using it? Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! From ???@??? Mon Nov 24 10:28:32 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 24 09:58:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xa2mG-0002HE-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:58:32 -0800 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:47:34 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Pete Cosey In-Reply-To: <34775F9D.184D@bgnet.bgsu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"2GYejB.A.jAB.r3be0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1518 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:58:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 4ab07bb60243082536533afd0dcb943e On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, Jeff Schwartz wrote: > Who's got a copy of this? I'm a freak for Pete Cosey's > playing & want to hear as much as I can. Here's what I > know of: > Muddy Waters-Electric Mud > Miles Davis-Agharta, Pangea, Dark Magus, Get Up with It, > En Concert avec Europe1, Call it what it is, Berlin '73, > Another Bitches Brew > Mtume-Rebirth Cycle > Herbie Hancock-Future Shock > I know there was a Howlin' Wolf Electric Wolf album, don't > know if Pete was on it, but I think so. > So is that it? The entire Pete Cosey discography? Guitar Player had an interview with Pete Cosey some years ago, after he replaced Bill Frissell in Power Tools. He talked about the Electric Mud and Electric Wolf albums... apparently, Muddy Waters was a little weirded out by the Electric Mud idea (a psychedelic rock band backing Muddy Waters), but he was a nice guy about it, and the record sold well. So the label wanted to do Electric Wolf next, with Howlin' Wolf. Now, Howlin' Wolf has been called many things, but "nice" ain't one of them. Now, this was the late 1960s, and Cosey had the full psychedelic look and sound going. After the first session, Howlin' Wolf walked up to him and said "Why don't you take them pedals and shit and throw 'em in the river on the way to the barbershop?" Cosey was *crushed*. Everything he stood for had just been ground under Howlin' Wolf's shoes with a single sentence. Some story, huh? And yes, I'm a HUGE Cosey fan! Although not a looper type (at least not the stuff I've heard), he was one of the most creative and powerful psychedelic guitarists EVER. Find a copy of Miles Davis' "Agharta" or "Phaedra". You won't be sorry. I consider those discs the end of Miles' career... what he did in the 1980s just doesn't count. Another audiophile historic note... Cosey had a unique role in Miles' band. Miles Davis, of course, was a genius at finding powerful players and making the most of them in a group setting. At the time, Miles was heavily into funk and West African music. His lineup consisted of an African percussionist, rock drummer, electric bass, and wah-wah funk guitar in the rhythm section, holding down powerful one and two-chord vamps and grooves, while the soloists blew over the top. The interesting thing about Cosey was that he NEVER practiced with the band. Mile's orders. He only played with them live. His playing was so startling, so *out*, that his presence changed the very nature of the band. Using him as a live soloist and texturalist kept the band on their toes. It also shows just how much Miles Davis respected his playing. Anyway... if you like heavy funk grooves and profoundly psychedelic guitar, check out the Miles/Cosey work. Don't expect some nice happy dance funk here... this work is as dark and dangerous as the heart of Africa. Beautiful, and awe-inspiring. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Mon Nov 24 12:03:24 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 24 11:45:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xa4RI-0004iJ-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:45:00 -0800 X-From_:nyfac2@nyfac.com Mon Nov 24 11:44:54 1997 Received: from mail2.panix.com [198.7.0.33] by ferret with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xa4RB-0004gq-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:44:53 -0800 Received: from nyfac ([206.133.60.162]) by mail2.panix.com (8.8.5/8.7.1/PanixM1.0) with SMTP id OAA13104 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:44:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3479DACD.15FB@nyfac.com> Old-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:51:41 -0500 From: nyfac Organization: New York Film & Animation Co. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SGoldC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: digitech RDS 900(0?) looks like the Time Machine References: <9710228802.AA880210672@ccbbn1.dttus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Mail to nyfac2@nyfac.com bounced 1 times X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:45:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 875cc46f3f6ddca89a97412b38e40ac6 Anyone know the difference between the 900 and the Time Machine? There doesn't seem to be much info on the site. I got to fool around with one last night- a friend has one which went on the fritz, so I popped the top off and took it for a ride after I fixed it. Really very, very cool in a low tech grotty kind of way. Anybody looking to get rid of one? Trevor PS: I have noticed that when I send mail to the list off my NT I get responses, but when I send from my SGI I don't (although personal email works fine)... Does my O2 make me boring, or does the NT make my somehow more interesting? If this makes any sense, I don't get return messages when I mail from my O2, but I do when I send from my NT. Anyhow, if anyone sees this (I'm on the SGI) and you have a moment to spare, would you be so kind as to send me some email to nyfac2@nyfac.com? Thanks. From ???@??? Mon Nov 24 12:03:25 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 24 11:53:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xa4ZJ-0005Qx-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:53:17 -0800 X-From_:nyfac2@nyfac.com Mon Nov 24 11:53:10 1997 Received: from mail2.panix.com [198.7.0.33] by ferret with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xa4ZA-0005Pa-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:53:08 -0800 Received: from nyfac ([206.133.60.162]) by mail2.panix.com (8.8.5/8.7.1/PanixM1.0) with SMTP id OAA14148 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:53:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3479DC6F.59E2@nyfac.com> Old-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:59:58 -0500 From: nyfac Organization: New York Film & Animation Co. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SGoldC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Line ups References: <971121235016_1314821068@mrin40.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:53:17 -0800 X-UIDL: 3605adb963838d53b033f46aaf0fb832 To make up for the unmitigated (un-midi-gated?) techno-dorkery of all of my posts, I thought I would try to take my head away for the soldiering boars for just a minute and ask: What sort of lineups to the LD musicians use? I am in two bands now. Looping seems sort of pointless for one, and I am planning on working it into the other. A project I was part of while ago made good use of the loops (2 gtrs, bass and drums) but I have found in general, the fewer people, the better the loopage. My quandry is that I am not particulary excited by the sound of myself playing alone- I enjoy the interactions between musicians to be the most rewarding part of being a musician. What do all think? How do you set up your own bands/ensembles/sonic orgies? Trevor From ???@??? Mon Nov 24 23:54:38 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 24 13:19:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xa5ug-000597-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:19:26 -0800 X-From_:nyfac2@nyfac.com Mon Nov 24 13:19:24 1997 Received: from mail2.panix.com [198.7.0.33] by ferret with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xa5ub-00058F-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:19:21 -0800 Received: from nyfac ([206.133.60.162]) by mail2.panix.com (8.8.5/8.7.1/PanixM1.0) with SMTP id QAA25117 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:19:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3479F0D5.41C6@nyfac.com> Old-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:25:41 -0500 From: nyfac Organization: New York Film & Animation Co. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SGoldC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Line ups Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:19:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 47a7f53661cc5fb5a57a4df03aa0516d To make up for the unmitigated (un-midi-gated?) techno-dorkery of all of my posts, I thought I would try to take my head away for the soldiering boars for just a minute and ask: What sort of lineups to the LD musicians use? I am in two bands now. Looping seems sort of pointless for one, and I am planning on working it into the other. A project I was part of while ago made good use of the loops (2 gtrs, bass and drums) but I have found in general, the fewer people, the better the loopage. My quandry is that I am not particulary excited by the sound of myself playing alone- I enjoy the interactions between musicians to be the most rewarding part of being a musician. What do all think? How do you set up your own bands/ensembles/sonic orgies? Trevor From ???@??? Mon Nov 24 23:54:39 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 24 13:37:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xa6CB-0006lf-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:37:31 -0800 X-From_:nyfac2@nyfac.com Mon Nov 24 13:37:17 1997 Received: from mail2.panix.com [198.7.0.33] by ferret with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xa6Bu-0006j6-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:37:14 -0800 Received: from nyfac ([206.133.60.162]) by mail2.panix.com (8.8.5/8.7.1/PanixM1.0) with SMTP id QAA27363 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:37:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3479F509.167E@nyfac.com> Old-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:43:37 -0500 From: nyfac Organization: New York Film & Animation Co. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SGoldC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: digitech RDS 900(0?) looks like the Time Machin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Mail to nyfac2@nyfac.com bounced 1 times X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:37:31 -0800 X-UIDL: e5964cffee15cd9b2fb42fffb3da5478 Anyone know the difference between the 900 and the Time Machine? There doesn't seem to be much info on the site. I got to fool around with one last night- a friend has one which went on the fritz, so I popped the top off and took it for a ride after I fixed it. Really very, very cool in a low tech grotty kind of way. Anybody looking to get rid of one? Trevor PS: I have noticed that when I send mail to the list off my NT I get responses, but when I send from my SGI I don't (although personal email works fine)... Does my O2 make me boring, or does the NT make my somehow more interesting? If this makes any sense, I don't get return messages when I mail from my O2, but I do when I send from my NT. Anyhow, if anyone sees this (I'm on the SGI) and you have a moment to spare, would you be so kind as to send me some email to nyfac2@nyfac.com? Thanks. From ???@??? Mon Nov 24 23:54:43 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 24 14:51:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xa7M8-00065P-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:51:52 -0800 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F410A13@MAIL> From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: looping and Punk@!%!! Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:42:10 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"i3eXZD.A.OkE.WJge0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1519 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:51:52 -0800 X-UIDL: a212dc90d1b2effbf740f598519676fb It's been a hoot reading people's top 10 lists. Certainly, it's nice to know where our ears have been. I noticed very few Punk stylings in the inventories. Now, I'm not trying to say Punk is good or bad nor do I care about definitions much (please, let's not go there...). But - are there any PUNK Loopers out there? David Kirkdorffer From ???@??? Mon Nov 24 23:54:48 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 24 18:43:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaAyE-0001Kj-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:43:26 -0800 Message-Id: <199711242255.RAA03847@mail.colba.net> From: "Julia & Dave" To: Cc: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: effect sends and switchers Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:00:03 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zWNt5.A.yd.-kje0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1521 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:43:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 394ae7b23381743a915e694bf26d2fca Thank you for the info. This seems like a sensible solution, but I still wish the mixer manufacturers would take into account the non-miking crowd and today's effect racks. With the prices being what they are for quality processing, I'm sure there are many people out there who own several rack devices. Gone are the days of pedal settups and noisy daisy chaining. Inserts are OK, but what if you want to use the same effect on a few channels at a time? D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N jndk@colba.net http://www.total.net/~alien8/Kristian.html From ???@??? Mon Nov 24 23:55:06 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 24 21:30:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaDZO-0004BY-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:29:58 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971125001458.0068c390@online.no> X-Sender: hovard@online.no (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 00:18:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hovard@online.no Subject: Looping with a band. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"6Jud0.A.ABD.yBme0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1526 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:29:58 -0800 X-UIDL: d55b42f633b958d9448cea81d17f7b15 Hi , I was just wondering how people go about looping in a band setting , with drummers , chordchanges , dynamic flow in the ensemble and so forth.... Maybe we can start a discussion where people share their experiences and talk about their bands. Like , is there any loopers who play in a pop-band??Say , An Alanis Morrisette- type of thing? How would you go approach your looping instrument in that context? Or a funk band? say , as part of a rythmn section in the "JB" style? How would that player approa.........and so forth..... This could be a way for us to confront problems like Timing , Tonality and Dynamics when working with a set song-structure. (How does one loop in the context of a TOP 40 band?? Is it possible to loop in a top 40 band? Why bother thinking about looping in a top 40 band?? Why am I such a boring writer?) As you may have gathered from my writing , I am not an experienced looper.... hope you`ll give this some tought anyway....and , if possible , discuss it without too much gearhead - mentality .:) Thanks , Thomas W From ???@??? Mon Nov 24 23:55:04 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 24 20:34:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaChX-0005kn-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:34:19 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971125002332.0069e858@online.no> X-Sender: hovard@online.no (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 00:23:33 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hovard@online.no Subject: nels in Guitar Player! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"biK0vC.A.2dE.INle0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1524 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:34:19 -0800 X-UIDL: 2081aae1a59425bb0100c3fefb13627e >Thomas: > >I went through the same thing, 'cept it was my girlfriend, not my tape >delay. Your poignant narrative makes my experience seem shallow by >comparison ;) > >" A Boy and his Roland". Tonight, I'll say a little prayer for you, man. > >drone on~~~~~~~~~~Tom >Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net > Hey Tom! Good to see someone understanding the tragedy of all this. So show me some respect , I know what pain is! :) I`ll let you know when I`m fully restored and on my feet....... Thomas > > From ???@??? Mon Nov 24 23:55:03 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 24 20:04:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaCEG-0002BL-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:04:04 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971125002454.0069e60c@online.no> X-Sender: hovard@online.no (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 00:24:55 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hovard@online.no Subject: nels in guitar player! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Uhasr.A.8-.Gwke0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1522 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:04:04 -0800 X-UIDL: 362f68c7bba6ce088605b7e681a3ba15 Hey ,everybody who followed the little tread about Niels Cline ; I was over at Guitar Player online and checked out what the next issue contained , and whaddya know , "Niels Cline details the life of a double method guitarist" (?). I can`t wait to read it......Now if I could just locate a cd of him here in No(r)way........ Thomas From ???@??? Mon Nov 24 10:27:57 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 24 06:05:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xZz8O-0005oV-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 06:05:08 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971124153731.263761e6@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:37:31 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Advice for Engineers (please read) In-Reply-To: <34795EDE.858E3E17@vtx.ch> References: <34795C9A.275F@infobiogen.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"wqCi7.A.FKF.thYe0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1509 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 06:05:08 -0800 X-UIDL: fa41cb5870bd35548929a3a79dc6a02f At 12:02 PM 11/24/97 +0100, Claude wrote: >wouln't the list be more colourful if the greetings were done in our >mother tongue Bore Da, Pawb*! I'm currently mentoring a group of 1st-year students on the Electronics With Music degree. Obviously they'd all like to get jobs in the music electronics industry, and I've been giving what limited advice I can. Then it occured to me that on this list we have so many people in the music tech field - people working at Lex and Oberheim, entrepreneurs like Motley and freelancers like Matthias and Kim. So to all you guys out there, I'd be _really_ grateful if you could spend a couple of minutes to send me some advice/encouragement/grim hard truth to pass on to these guys. I'd really appreciate it. Thanks all! Iawn*, Michael * Welsh, BTW From ???@??? Mon Nov 24 23:54:45 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 24 17:44:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaA39-0003Vn-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:44:27 -0800 Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: looping and Punk@!%!! Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:30:48 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf941$c210c280$c23bd4cc@CIS.compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"YA--_B.A.CgC.ctie0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1520 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:44:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 70b0d812a605a1af4810e67d39cdd127 David Kirkdorffer intoned: >I noticed very few Punk stylings in the inventories. Now, I'm not >trying to say Punk is good or bad nor do I care about definitions much >(please, let's not go there...). > >But - are there any PUNK Loopers out there? That's a curious one, but if you think about the entire image that punk presented, it was one that was fairly minimalist; to say nothing of the fact that during its primary period, there were no rack units of the kind we enjoy so much using, just stomp boxes/pedals. The moment one stopped just raging away and began fiddling with electronics - yes, even a tape loop! - I think it stops being punk, and begins being 'experimental', or any number of monikers we've all been stuck with at one time or another. For this reason, I think, bands like Sonic Youth are mistaken at times for punk. What I'd generally regard as REAL punks - people too busy playing fiercely at just their instruments, snubbing their noses and otherwise giving the Finger to 'established electronic sh*t' - well, maybe it comes from being around New York City (sorry, L.A., it didn't start out West!) at the time. Who knew? But that's just my opinion. Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! From ???@??? Mon Nov 24 23:55:12 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 24 22:31:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaEX3-0002nV-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:31:37 -0800 Message-ID: <347A2D1C.F13@intcpi.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:42:53 -0500 From: jprice@intcpi.com (John Price) Reply-To: jprice@intcpi.com Organization: INTELLISOFT, CPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping and Punk@!%!! References: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F410A13@MAIL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"e-kk3C.A.tGC.I-me0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1528 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:31:37 -0800 X-UIDL: 1c66aa5393c5a433ab78891e0e268dab David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > It's been a hoot reading people's top 10 lists. Certainly, it's nice to > know where our ears have been. > > I noticed very few Punk stylings in the inventories. Now, I'm not > trying to say Punk is good or bad nor do I care about definitions much > (please, let's not go there...). > > But - are there any PUNK Loopers out there? > > David Kirkdorffer Throbbing Gristle immediately springs to mind. Early Caberet Voltaire kinda falls into a category that has its roots in punk. How can anyone forget Alien Sex Fiend. The Butthole Surfers have been looping for years. Ministry certainly springs to mind as the most modern and recent version of Punky Loop stuff ( though today they have turned into more or less a genereic thrash band. ) Remember Controlled Bleeding ??? What about the entire slew of artists you'd find on the Wax Trax Label back in the mid to late 80's - These guys were all punkers or rather punkers with synths and samplers. RaPeman & big black; aka - steve albini looped beats and loud guitars so well Ministry decided to cop his entire sound when they found their guitars and amps in a jungle of roland drum machines. Skinny Puppy, & Naubauten ( spelling ???)& Wire all qualify as groups that came from or out of a Punk Rock Perspective. pUnk died a long time ago, close to 20yrs ago now (1979 and its still being approriated and slammed - probably forever. it seems punks impact is stil felt today. you can reasonably argue both objectively and effectively 2 differing points : punks influence was and is for the either better or the worse of things over the last 20 yrs. Its safe to say Punks impact is still being felt or rather unfolded today though nowhere near the threat, sincerity and vitality that it had while it was really living. From ???@??? Mon Nov 24 23:55:03 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 24 20:03:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaCDg-00026a-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:03:28 -0800 Message-ID: <347A2E5C.740B@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:48:11 -0500 From: djdowling@earthlink.net Reply-To: djdowling@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping and Punk@!%!! References: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F410A13@MAIL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Tm0lZ.A.8DB.twke0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1523 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:03:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 4cd2314e82a6c8c8e7e5d52a3503bf52 David Kirkdorffer wrote: > But - are there any PUNK Loopers out there? At work today I was called a "smart-alec" by a customer on the telephone...I'm sure this makes me some kind of Punk. Dave From ???@??? Mon Nov 24 10:28:18 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 24 09:17:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xa28R-0005Mb-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:17:23 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971124184539.28c7a276@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:45:39 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: andy summers show... In-Reply-To: <199711241648.IAA28489@gw1.bi-tech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"NArGSC.A.M6D.4Rbe0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1514 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:17:23 -0800 X-UIDL: d95b3650f393c22b289706e8dfd3c4b5 >> From: Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD > >> It's funny, but the most recent Andy Summers material fails to excite me >> the way his Police / XYZ stuff did. It's as if he's become _too_ >competent > >I would agree. I've purchased every one of his solo albums and end up >wondering why. Not a good sign! > Although, there is always one song I like on each disc. >XYZ had some high points...but he should have found a singer. The first >cut off of "The Golden Wire" is a still one of my personal favorites. I really like XYZ - and whilst he can't sing on the whole, he deadpans some tracks quite well. I'm disappointed this album seems to have been "buried" as a bad job - I certainly an't find CD reissues about... >IMO, this most innovative work was with the Police...BUT....his tone and >(subtle) use of effects is just as good today. I'm not a huge fan of jazz >so his solo albums are a little harder for me to digest....and I can't help >but wonder what would happen if he used a little more of his rock >vocabulary in this writing. But, his approach to guitar and melody are >still unique and interesting. I particularly like the way he slides off of >notes and his warm, smooth, sustaining lead tone. Ever since buying Charming Snakes (I think it was - does that have him playing a Klien in a rather -ahem - unusual manner on the back?) I've beent trying to figure out who it soundslike he's been listening to, and it's struck me now - he sounds more like a cross between Andy Summers and Larry Carlton (with maybe a dash of Holdsworth or Vai)... a pity, since he seems to be diluting his style as his technique has improved. Practising, kids - just say no. Michael From ???@??? Mon Nov 24 10:28:20 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 24 09:20:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xa2BF-0005jN-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:20:17 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971124184714.376f7f82@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:47:14 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Vortex Alert In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Qop61.A.uGE.bTbe0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1515 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:20:17 -0800 X-UIDL: ae9d0ba22ad814ee5ff7e4f90fe86143 At 11:56 AM 11/24/97 -0500, you wrote: > Monday Nov 24 . 4 Vortexes in stock -$235ea>>>>>>>Warehouse >>Louisville >Ky (502)-456 -4730 . These are new in box units w footswitch manual >etc.Music Warehouse> Louisville Ky 502 -456- 4730 Open til 10 pm today. Just to let Brit loopers know, they have some in Turnkey at 199-00 stirling. They advertise in Sound on Sound, etc. 7 left, last I heard. Michael From ???@??? Tue Nov 25 20:03:48 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 25 19:21:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaY2q-0001qU-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:21:44 -0800 From: "Randy Jones" To: Subject: Re: Looping with a drummer Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:09:41 -0600 Message-ID: <01bcf94f$92629c80$06057fce@user.texas.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"F6Ri2D.A.dEB.OR5e0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1549 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:21:44 -0800 X-UIDL: c4a3ac1aee07124623408b8879bb5fa3 Hello All, Looking to keep the beat, ck out http://www.russiandragon.com/ I don't have one, cuz I never met a drummer outside of a box that I personally liked enough, but maybe you can train yours with this gizmo! Randy Jones -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Lawrence Schwartz To: 'Loopers Delight' Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 7:44 PM Subject: RE: Looping with a drummer >I've had interesting results using my Jamster with a drummer. >If I try to set a loop to his beat, it seldom works. Neither of us has >perfect time, though we don't suck. >If I get a grooving loop going, it's no problem for him to get in the >pocket with it and stay there. >I should say that the music we play is completely improvised, so playing >contrary, unrelated rhythms is ok, but it'd be nice to synch perfectly >when we wanted to. >I know, practice, but why work when machines can do it for you? >He plays electronic drums, so I was thinking we could use a MIDI click out > from his stuff to drive the Jamster, or set aside one pad on his kit to >trigger it, or just put the control pedal ovr in his setup. >I'd like to maintain as much flexability as possible (no click >track/drummachine MIDI headset rig) and keep hardware >costs to a minimum. >Suggestions? Probably just practice more, eh? > > > From ???@??? Mon Nov 24 23:55:05 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 24 20:45:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaCsg-00074e-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:45:50 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971124202026.0069d248@mail.nwlink.com> X-Sender: jt@mail.nwlink.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:20:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: JT Subject: Re: andy summers show... In-Reply-To: <14943.199711241625@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"bKIFiB.A.1xF.eYle0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1525 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:45:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 1265a1f748712e63dcb23a2efd713999 At 04:25 PM 11/24/97 GMT, you wrote: >Andre: >>if ANDY Summers is coming to your town on his short (20-25 date) tour of US >>east & west coasts - do go see him - i just saw the (moderately attended) >>wetlands NYC show - first of the tour, and it rocked - or actually, it >>jazzed - Andy's playing a ton of standards, and standards-ish material - his >>new CD with Tony Levin, Gregg Bissonette is awesome, if you like jazz guitar >>with balls and modern tones.... the cd also features on one cut, Bernie >>Dresel(dr) and Jerry Watts (bs) who are his fine touring band.... He opened up for Tangerine Dream during the Optical Race tour. Amazing show. I wasn't sure what to expect, but I was pleased. I haven't kept up with anything he's done since though. jt From ???@??? Mon Nov 24 23:55:07 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 24 21:32:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaDbe-0004Ro-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:32:18 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 00:22:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711250522.AAA03636@shell.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@mail.monmouth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: andy summers show... Resent-Message-ID: <"5cR_TB.A.IaD.-Eme0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1527 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:32:18 -0800 X-UIDL: d65d03764803f269a4c008063cec5a37 ANdy... > >He opened up for Tangerine Dream during the Optical Race tour. Amazing >show. I wasn't sure what to expect, but I was pleased. I haven't kept up >with anything he's done since though. yeah - that WAS a great show!! and quite the surprise - he was added near the start of the tour, it seemed.... i dunno, i've always liked the guy's sound - when you step back and really survey his 30 (!) years of recorded output - it's remarkable - his voice is intact thoughout, yes, even while picking up on the legato/holdsworth edge.. anyway - i guess i like his personal style, sense of humor, both in the music and in interviews, etc. As far as "getting better after the Police" - listen again - remember, the police was POST - university/classical training for Andy, so.... give the "synesthasia" (sic) cd a listen - w/Ginger Baker - a very 20th cent. modern music album at times - and the fripp/summers stuff is seminal. but - i hear what you guys are saying, i'm just a little more of a sucker for anything fusion-y - so - the combo of Andy's floaty chorus sound plus thorny grooves does suck me in... andre' From ???@??? Tue Nov 25 11:01:32 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 25 04:12:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaJr8-0003zO-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 04:12:42 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:05:35 +0300 Message-ID: <00005F10.4007@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re[2]: wonder if there is another french person here... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, "nicomonguzzi" Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"pb5Cx.A.tcD.m9re0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1531 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 04:12:42 -0800 X-UIDL: a79d7a33f6b30f9c675584322f769425 A few monthes ago I posted a message in portuguese just to observe the reaction of the group. It was a long comment on Fripp's Let the Power Fall My surprise was that only Matthias answered me privetely asking if it was a mistake. Obviously it was not, as far as I know there is no official language in the list. Miguel ___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________ Assunto: Re: wonder if there is another french person here... Autor: "nicomonguzzi" na internet Data: 25/11/1997 12:41 mais oui, bonjour . je fais des boucle en francais et en italien et je vis a lausanne, mais je suis tessinois. hello everybody, just to say i speech french and italian, so... salut ciao nicos >salut a tous amateurs de boucles de plaisirs > >wouln't the list be more colourful if the greetings were done in our >mother tongue > >ALABIENTOT > >Claude From ???@??? Mon Nov 24 23:55:14 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 24 23:25:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaFMo-00074y-00; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:25:06 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCF92E.DC443280.lahatch@dnai.com> From: Laurie Hatch To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: On being complete nerds (and longhairs) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:14:33 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9F-6uD.A.r-F.Zsne0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1529 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:25:06 -0800 X-UIDL: 824e4b8b7c4ec817604712937f6c34cd Sean said: >Or Mekong Delta's version? Interesting bunch of guys that never properly >attributed much of the work they released as their own. Hey, thanks for the reference. Wasn't familiar with it - but I definitely want to check it out. In case anyone else is interested, here's a website URL: BNR Metal Pages -- Mekong Delta http://www-cse.ucsd.edu/users/bruss/Metal/groups/MeDe.html laurie At 12:03 PM 11/23/97 -0800, Paolo wrote: >>>...8. Modest Mussorgsky - Pictures At An Exhibition >> >>>Not much to say about this classic. ... [snip] >From breaks-request@xmission.com Mon Nov 24 23:29:07 1997 From ???@??? Tue Nov 25 11:01:31 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 25 03:57:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaJcB-0003IU-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 03:57:15 -0800 X-Sender: nicomonguzzi@mail.vtx.ch Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34795EDE.858E3E17@vtx.ch> References: <34795C9A.275F@infobiogen.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:41:23 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "nicomonguzzi" Subject: Re: wonder if there is another french person here... Resent-Message-ID: <"UUzAfC.A.Z0C.Uvre0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1530 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 03:57:15 -0800 X-UIDL: 86782f446221db37dd3ae11c890224c9 mais oui, bonjour . je fais des boucle en francais et en italien et je vis a lausanne, mais je suis tessinois. hello everybody, just to say i speech french and italian, so... salut ciao nicos >salut a tous amateurs de boucles de plaisirs > >wouln't the list be more colourful if the greetings were done in our >mother tongue > >ALABIENTOT > >Claude From ???@??? Tue Nov 25 11:01:35 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 25 06:29:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaLz9-0000eN-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 06:29:07 -0800 X-From_:nyfac2@nyfac.com Tue Nov 25 06:29:06 1997 Received: from mail2.panix.com [198.7.0.33] by ferret with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaLz7-0000eC-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 06:29:05 -0800 Received: from nyfac ([206.133.60.162]) by mail2.panix.com (8.8.8/8.7.1/PanixM1.0) with SMTP id JAA14309 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:28:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <347AE235.41C6@nyfac.com> Old-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:35:33 -0500 From: nyfac Organization: New York Film & Animation Co. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SGoldC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping and Punk@!%!! References: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F410A13@MAIL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 06:29:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 0f80bd55b85c87a1669ab1901edc6d94 David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > It's been a hoot reading people's top 10 lists. Certainly, it's nice to > know where our ears have been. > > I noticed very few Punk stylings in the inventories. Now, I'm not > trying to say Punk is good or bad nor do I care about definitions much > (please, let's not go there...). > > But - are there any PUNK Loopers out there? > > David Kirkdorffer Uh... me. It was kind of funny- untill I read a few of these top tens I thought I was the only one here into anything but electronica. Another top 10 list- bands most influencing my playing now. Jawbox Fugazi Idaho Shiner Cocteau Twins Beekeeper Neil Young Gang of Four Unwound Tones On Tail From ???@??? Tue Nov 25 11:01:38 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 25 06:39:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaM94-0001DR-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 06:39:22 -0800 X-From_:nyfac2@nyfac.com Tue Nov 25 06:39:19 1997 Received: from mail2.panix.com [198.7.0.33] by ferret with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaM90-0001CZ-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 06:39:18 -0800 Received: from nyfac ([206.133.60.162]) by mail2.panix.com (8.8.8/8.7.1/PanixM1.0) with SMTP id JAA15572 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:39:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <347AE4A1.2781@nyfac.com> Old-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:45:53 -0500 From: nyfac Organization: New York Film & Animation Co. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SGoldC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Hello References: <14585925601028@cfpa.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 06:39:22 -0800 X-UIDL: a774316d1c961cccd9e4ad4839a7d547 Siobhan- I have been suspecting for a while that my messages have not been getting through to the group, although when I send personal email (like this) I don't seem to have a problem. All this time I thought I was meerly boring and/or tiresome. Then I sent in a few messages on my NT station, and all the sudden people responded. Anyhow, have you seen any of the following messages? 1) Subject: digitech RDS 900(0?) looks like the Time Machine Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:51:41 -0500 From: nyfac Organization: New York Film & Animation Co. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com References: 1 Anyone know the difference between the 900 and the Time Machine? There doesn't seem to be much info on the site. I got to fool around with one last night- a friend has one which went on the fritz, so I popped the top off and took it for a ride after I fixed it. Really very, very cool in a low tech grotty kind of way. Anybody looking to get rid of one? Trevor PS: I have noticed that when I send mail to the list off my NT I get responses, but when I send from my SGI I don't (although personal email works fine)... Does my O2 make me boring, or does the NT make my somehow more interesting? If this makes any sense, I don't get return messages when I mail from my O2, but I do when I send from my NT. Anyhow, if anyone sees this (I'm on the SGI) and you have a moment to spare, would you be so kind as to send me some email to nyfac2@nyfac.com? Thanks. 2)Subject: Line ups Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:58:39 -0500 From: nyfac Organization: New York Film & Animation Co. To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com References: 1 To make up for the unmitigated (un-midi-gated?) techno-dorkery of all of my posts, I thought I would try to take my head away for the soldiering boars for just a minute and ask: What sort of lineups to the LD musicians use? I am in two bands now. Looping seems sort of pointless for one, and I am planning on working it into the other. A project I was part of while ago made good use of the loops (2 gtrs, bass and drums) but I have found in general, the fewer people, the better the loopage. My quandry is that I am not particulary excited by the sound of myself playing alone- I enjoy the interactions between musicians to be the most rewarding part of being a musician. What do all think? How do you set up your own bands/ensembles/sonic orgies? Trevor There's a few more but I shan't fill up your inbox. Thanks. Trevor From ???@??? Tue Nov 25 11:01:46 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 25 07:59:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaNOJ-00067W-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 07:59:11 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:48:17 -0500 (EST) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <971125104816_-322594309@mrin86.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: effect sends and switchers Resent-Message-ID: <"7c4YtD.A.UFF._Nve0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1532 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 07:59:11 -0800 X-UIDL: f8101042abcb2f85b580b6fc574d0d38 >I'm also down to one effect send on my mixer and .... >more >than two loopers.. My too-many-fx/loopers solution so far is to run each output of my three-output Timtone (think LGX synth access) guitar into its own dedicated processor/sound module (a VG-8, a GT-5--both stereo, and a Rockman acoustic pedal--mono) into channels on a Mackie1604vlz. I reach each of three main stereo fx from one of the 3 fx-send pairs, then send each fx's outs to separate channel-input pairs, so any fx could be sent thru any other. I monitor and record only from the control-room outs, so I can use the outs from each separate buss pair (1/2 and 3/4) as additional selective fx sends, returning these fx to fx returns, which of course come up at the main out, which also has insert points for sending everything to yet another stereo fx. It gets a little hairy keeping track of possible feedback loops, but I can't think of any way to get more sends out of the Mackie. My only problem now is how to automate the setup...a Switchblade would be ideal, but they're so frigging expensive! I'm looking closely at their new Cosmix..and at the idea of just getting a few stereo volume pedals. Anybody have any other ideas, or pedal recommendations? dpc From ???@??? Tue Nov 25 11:01:52 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 25 08:25:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaNnr-0000JP-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:25:35 -0800 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: Looping with a band. Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:23:49 +0100 Message-ID: <19971125162346218.AAC233@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"1wZ5eB.A.25G.Iove0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1533 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:25:35 -0800 X-UIDL: e98fc3a2023a6e463ca5bef01d33e623 At 00.18 25/11/97 +0100, you wrote: > >Hi , I was just wondering how people go about looping in a band setting , >with drummers , chordchanges , dynamic flow in the ensemble and so forth.... >Maybe we can start a discussion where people share their experiences and >talk about their bands. >Like , is there any loopers who play in a pop-band??Say , An Alanis >Morrisette- type of thing? How would you go approach your looping >instrument in that context? > Or a funk band? say , as part of a rythmn section in the "JB" style? How >would that player approa.........and so forth..... Hi all I'm in the process of creating a new band. Only Chapman Stick (myself), vocals and drums. The peculiar aspect should be that either me and the singer are going to use extensively our jammans. Not an ambient thing at all. It should be a funk project with a danceable, original repertoire. I imagine that with this kind of lineup everything you 're going to do is quite experimental, playing pop songs too. I'd like to know if someone else has used this kind of setup (and some suggestions): My jamman master , midied out to the other jamman and to a drum machine, only used for clock reference through headphones (no drum machine sounds out) for all the members. The clock I think it's vital cause me and the singer are going to add some percussive elements (thanks to multiFX and stomp boxes) in our loops to makes real durm grooves more interesting. And what about the midi mute-restart when 2 jam are connected? thanks leo From ???@??? Tue Nov 25 11:01:53 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 25 08:39:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaO1L-0001fc-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:39:31 -0800 Message-Id: <11577.199711251630@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:30:01 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Dpcoffin@aol.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD) Subject: switchers Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"Pt7Z6.A.b0.m1ve0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1534 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:39:31 -0800 X-UIDL: 366455ddc42bf02d2d579e6f8c429ad9 > a Switchblade would be ideal, but they're so > frigging expensive! I'm looking closely at their new Cosmix.. Kenton Electronics do an 8-way MIDI FX loop setup. They have a WWW page, though I don't have it to hand (www.kenton.co.uk maybe). They cost E 250UK, ie about $400. > and at the idea of just getting a few stereo volume pedals. Now that _would_ be cool... though a bit tricky to control.... Michael From ???@??? Tue Nov 25 11:01:54 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 25 08:44:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaO6Z-0002GG-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:44:55 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:37:37 -0500 (EST) From: ZeplinSoup@aol.com Message-ID: <971125113736_2006008771@mrin39> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Brainwave Synch Resent-Message-ID: <"tDprRC.A.WdB.P8ve0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1535 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:44:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 45c9244efde7b160a1b1ee7761a0b2eb cool edit has a brainwave synch thinggy.......supposeddly you can get alpha and some of the other states aroused with it..... When I was in college studing psychology(my major) i had some ideas that i wanted to test..focusing on music and brainwaves,ect...its kinda sad that someone with definite ideas is not "allowed" to test them using university equiptment...anyway im venting From ???@??? Tue Nov 25 11:01:56 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 25 09:11:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaOWO-0004q8-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:11:36 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 08:59:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: looping and Punk@!%!! Resent-Message-ID: <"HToOLD.A.plD.aSwe0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1536 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:11:36 -0800 X-UIDL: b437278e7c59d10e97da26fc3cdd38d6 >It's been a hoot reading people's top 10 lists. Certainly, it's nice to >know where our ears have been. > >I noticed very few Punk stylings in the inventories. Now, I'm not >trying to say Punk is good or bad nor do I care about definitions much >(please, let's not go there...). > >But - are there any PUNK Loopers out there? > Didn't Mission of Burma, Roger Miller's early band, have a member who just did processing and tape-looping? ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Tue Nov 25 11:02:02 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 25 10:20:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaPb5-0003ql-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:20:31 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCF9A3.65108C20@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: RE: Looping with a Band Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:09:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"bCq-d.A.AiC.dSxe0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1537 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:20:31 -0800 X-UIDL: 5117316ef7d64a7cad31a350ffc07cc2 I played in a Top 40 band from 1983 to 1991 and tried several times to introduce looping. My efforts were unsuccessful for the following reasons: 1. The drummer was the timekeeper. He would not alter his tempo to a machine under any circumstances. For example, I programmed the 8-note sequence from "Dancing on the Ceiling" by Lionel Richie into an old Korg Poly 800. The drummer did the count off and I pressed the start button and kept my hand on the sequencer's tempo control. It was very rare for the drummer and sequencer to play in time together. 2. The drummer refused to listen to a click track. In light of these problems, I decided to let the 8-note sequence play at a steady speed that I thought was right. It just floated around the drummer. As soon as the verse started I faded the sequence out. Another solution I arrived at was to sample the last note or chord of a song into a digital delay with its feedback/regeneration control set to 100 percent. When the other band members stopped playing, I cranked the delay time knob, causing the pitch of my last note or chord to slide up. This always caused several people on the dance floor to go, "Whoaaaaa," with their voices sliding upward like the sound from my digital delay. My best suggestion is to find a SYMPATHETIC drummer. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Tue Nov 25 20:02:30 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 25 11:39:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaQow-0004B4-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:38:54 -0800 Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Looping with a Band Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:26:10 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcf9d7$fc8523c0$883bd4cc@CIS.compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"WQ_-a.A.y4C.Rcye0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1538 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:38:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 5c6153cdcd1c92cd82289b999865f988 Mark Kata covered a common problem, but focused on the drummer sticking to his guns as a problem. I propose that, given the non-exact nature of most delay/loop processes we all use, our resultant rhythm or pattern will usually drive what I call "perochial types" crazy. A "perochial type" is, for example, someone who requires either sheet music or some tablature notation, (or other 'expert' prognosis) in order to play at all. I think this leads to the kind of inflexible business Mark talks about with a variety of drummers. One side effect of this kind of thing is that, when it comes to areas like World Music, which is not "classical" music in the perochial sense, generally repels people who require accessibility as an element of their music, to say nothing of folks with no desire to expand their horizons. I don't know how many times jams Haven't Happened until people of this type, most of which would prevent synergy from occurring by demanding to know "what key" or "beat" "it's" in. Personally, I *like* this natural method of cream-skimming. It helps me know who I can play with, and who I shouldn't; and leads to an overall harmonious atmosphere for music-making. Although I'll also admit that, to paraphrase Count Basie, it keeps the outside world from "horning in on my huzzle." :) ****************** On a separate note I thought I'd announce the release of my first cassette, entitled 'S', and available at my site below... Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! From ???@??? Tue Nov 25 20:02:37 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 25 12:17:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaRPx-000098-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:17:09 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C2917869F@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Looping with a band. Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:26:41 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Ght88.A.rwG.3Cze0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1540 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:17:09 -0800 X-UIDL: e580c069a6d369fc6f1cdcd23411018a Leonardo asked: "And what about the midi mute-restart when 2 jam are connected?" JAMMAN will not echo it's MIDI input to the MIDI output. The addition of a MIDI THRU box will allow you to control both of your JAMMANs. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +781-280-0499 email: ghogan@lexicon.com From ???@??? Tue Nov 25 20:02:36 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 25 12:16:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaRPL-000064-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:16:31 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291786A0@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: looping and Punk@!%!! Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 14:29:30 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"NJNWM.A.RvG.vCze0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1539 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:16:31 -0800 X-UIDL: 37bbe77331844c425e9ea5f44bcf5fa1 Dave Trenkel asked: "Didn't Mission of Burma, Roger Miller's early band, have a member who just did processing and tape-looping?" Yes, Their soundman, Martin Swope, added tape loops which was an integral part of their live sound and their latter recordings. Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +781-280-0499 email: ghogan@lexicon.com From ???@??? Tue Nov 25 20:03:01 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 25 15:26:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaUMU-00001n-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:25:46 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971125213604.007188a4@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:36:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Looping with a Band Resent-Message-ID: <"z_gd4D.A.eLG.8v1e0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1541 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:25:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 6fdfb672ef353fe6ab5fd5c9cd5090f2 What you are saying about the inflexibility of the drummer is certainly a problem. Playing with people who are able to listen to what the others are doing and respond appropriately is important. Keep in mind, though, that the person operating the loops has a responsibility to listen as well, and make sure that they are fitting in with the others! An example is what you were experimenting with, adjusting the tempo on your sequences to keep the in time. Similar to what djs will do with the speed controls on their turntables, to keep different records lined up and in tempo so the beat is steady for dancing. There are other techniques with loops, like retriggering them to get it lined up right with the groove, changing the loop length as necessary when the tempo speeds up or slows down, using sync features that are available. These are things you need to practice and learn how to use in live situations, in the same way you need to practice playing your other instruments in live situations with other people. Otherwise, it is you who is inflexible and unable to groove with the others! Playing with people who are able to maintain steady tempos is also key. (it's something I've had to struggle with, coming from a suburban no-sense-of-rhythm background...) I've mentioned before that I've worked with Neal Schon of Journey, helping him get his looping rig set up. He has 5 echoplexes, and is quite fanatical about the whole thing. Journey is a pop band of course, and most of his other projects fall into fairly mainstream areas. I think Neal is able to integrate loops into these situations because he and the people he plays with have breathtakingly accurate sense of tempo. Probably comes from years of playing stadium situations where you can't always hear the others, but have to rely on each other to be exactly accurate. Not to mention decades of studio work. But really, good tempo is an important skill for playing in dance and pop oriented bands. You have to work on it with looping same as with everything else. When Neal makes a loop, it is exactly the right length for the tempo. He taps the start and stop points at precisely the right time, and is able to do that because he practiced it a lot. He is also able to keep the length of the loop and the tempo going in his head, so he can overdub parts that are correctly in time. I've actually seen him record a 30+ second loop first, and then overdub the rhythm guitar part into it perfectly, with no obvious reference for the tempo. Next time you want to laugh in disdain at cheesy pop music, try doing that! Anyway, the key is that you need to practice using loops in tempo to get it right. Learn to use your instruments well, it won't happen on the first try with no experience! kim At 01:09 PM 11/25/97 -0500, you wrote: >I played in a Top 40 band from 1983 to 1991 and tried several times to introduce looping. > >My efforts were unsuccessful for the following reasons: > >1. The drummer was the timekeeper. He would not alter his tempo to a machine under any circumstances. For example, I programmed the 8-note sequence from "Dancing on the Ceiling" by Lionel Richie into an old Korg Poly 800. The drummer did the count off and I pressed the start button and kept my hand on the sequencer's tempo control. It was very rare for the drummer and sequencer to play in time together. > >2. The drummer refused to listen to a click track. > >In light of these problems, I decided to let the 8-note sequence play at a steady speed that I thought was right. It just floated around the drummer. As soon as the verse started I faded the sequence out. > >Another solution I arrived at was to sample the last note or chord of a song into a digital delay with its feedback/regeneration control set to 100 percent. When the other band members stopped playing, I cranked the delay time knob, causing the pitch of my last note or chord to slide up. This always caused several people on the dance floor to go, "Whoaaaaa," with their voices sliding upward like the sound from my digital delay. > >My best suggestion is to find a SYMPATHETIC drummer. > >Mark Kata >Mark@asisoftware.com > > > _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Nov 25 20:03:26 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 25 17:25:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaWER-0005v9-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:25:35 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971125234051.006a4f88@online.no> X-Sender: hovard@online.no X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:40:52 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hovard@online.no Subject: RE: Effect sends and swithcers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"heO8CD.A._lE.4h3e0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1545 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:25:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 9ad263b1d735f00e43422d90cb34c4af hi dpc: What you are trying to do , if I understand you , is to have the three outputs of your guitar go through separate chains and control it via midi. The Rocktron Patchmate might be your thing. Since the loops are absoltely independent of each other , and relay-based , the options are many. You can run one output(guitar) into loop one , and loop 1 output to the amp. this you can do with up to nine separate voices. I`m not very fond of Rocktron-gear , but the patchmate is works great with my funky old pedals. Rocktron have an online version of their manual at theit homepage , and you could gather more info there. Good Luck , Thomas w From ???@??? Tue Nov 25 20:03:10 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 25 16:42:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaVZ3-0000vC-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:42:49 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:19:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: RE: looping and Punk@!%!! Resent-Message-ID: <"RnFUbD.A.q.362e0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1543 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:42:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 343bf0222b5acb093c9d5af7182d784b > Dave Trenkel asked: > "Didn't Mission of Burma, Roger Miller's early band, have a >member who just did processing and tape-looping?" > > Yes, Their soundman, Martin Swope, added tape loops which was >an integral part of their live sound and their latter recordings. > Right, and didn't Swope and Miller start Birdsongs of the Mesozoic? That was a cool band, especially their early stuff. I loved their chessy new-wave cover of Stravinsky's Rite of Spring. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Tue Nov 25 20:03:11 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 25 17:02:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaVsD-0003HR-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:02:37 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:35:00 -0800 X-Priority: 3 From: "Andrzej Urbanowicz" Subject: Footswitch for Lexicon Vortex To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"bHZULB.A.gQC.oN3e0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1544 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:02:38 -0800 X-UIDL: d3b7be54d52367f47052238c40a70b26 Hi, Short question. I've just bought a Lexicon Vortex. It does not have a footswitch. Is it easy to substitute it? What should I use? Thanks for any help. Andrzej. From ???@??? Tue Nov 25 20:03:25 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 25 17:25:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaUrs-0003lV-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:58:12 -0800 X-Sender: nicomonguzzi@mail.vtx.ch Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971125162346218.AAC233@Default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:37:06 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "nicomonguzzi" Subject: Re: Looping with a band.(LEO) Resent-Message-ID: <"_WXkiD.A.1cC.8O2e0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1542 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 15:58:12 -0800 X-UIDL: 71ca16dbdf645a624877d522249dbf1b ciao leo i play with a guitarist in a duo (i play drums and percussions with electronic effects eccetera), and we use the midi mute-restart function with the two jammans midi-connected as you say. (midi pedal >> jamman 1 >> jamman 2) it works very well. ciao nicos > >Hi all > >I'm in the process of creating a new band. Only Chapman Stick (myself), >vocals and drums. The peculiar aspect should be that either me and the >singer are going to use extensively our jammans. Not an ambient thing at >all. It should be a funk project with a danceable, original repertoire. I >imagine that with this kind of lineup everything you 're going to do is >quite experimental, playing pop songs too. > >I'd like to know if someone else has used this kind of setup (and some >suggestions): > >My jamman master , midied out to the other jamman and to a drum machine, >only used for clock reference through headphones (no drum machine sounds >out) for all the members. The clock I think it's vital cause me and the >singer are going to add some percussive elements (thanks to multiFX and >stomp boxes) in our loops to makes real durm grooves more interesting. > >And what about the midi mute-restart when 2 jam are connected? > >thanks >leo From ???@??? Tue Nov 25 20:03:36 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 25 17:42:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaWUp-00009n-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:42:31 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:54:09 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Lawrence Schwartz X-Sender: jeffs@sigma.bgsu.edu To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Pete Cosey/Whammy pedal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Z3beqD.A.ukG.py3e0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1547 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:42:31 -0800 X-UIDL: 42749987aec6627af15798ad39056c0f Yes, that Guitar Player article is the bomb. There was a follow-up to Electric Mud, also on the Cadet Concept label, entitled After the Rain. Cosey's on it. No reissue so far. Hey, I just got a Whammy II. Anyone else got one? It's pretty straightfoward, but a manual is always cool. From ???@??? Tue Nov 25 20:03:37 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 25 17:42:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaWUw-0000Al-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:42:38 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:29:55 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Lawrence Schwartz X-Sender: jeffs@sigma.bgsu.edu To: "'Loopers Delight'" Subject: RE: Looping with a drummer In-Reply-To: <01BCF9A3.65108C20@mark.asisoftware.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"ewV-I.A.djG.dy3e0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1546 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:42:38 -0800 X-UIDL: aadffcfeacd2d4f67b2f4014893e47c2 I've had interesting results using my Jamster with a drummer. If I try to set a loop to his beat, it seldom works. Neither of us has perfect time, though we don't suck. If I get a grooving loop going, it's no problem for him to get in the pocket with it and stay there. I should say that the music we play is completely improvised, so playing contrary, unrelated rhythms is ok, but it'd be nice to synch perfectly when we wanted to. I know, practice, but why work when machines can do it for you? He plays electronic drums, so I was thinking we could use a MIDI click out from his stuff to drive the Jamster, or set aside one pad on his kit to trigger it, or just put the control pedal ovr in his setup. I'd like to maintain as much flexability as possible (no click track/drummachine MIDI headset rig) and keep hardware costs to a minimum. Suggestions? Probably just practice more, eh? From ???@??? Tue Nov 25 20:03:38 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 25 17:59:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaWkd-0001z6-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:58:51 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: forbin.syr.edu: msottila owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:50:52 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Sottilaro X-Sender: msottila@forbin.syr.edu To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Leonardo, seductive is the Dark side, do not be swayed! In-Reply-To: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C2917869F@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"PXnK5.A.kCB.NC4e0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1548 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:58:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 36fb035053a63ba05fdf3538ef9bf0e6 Hey, I'm going to take a stab at this one. Sorry Greg, but you are neglecting the mysterious side of reality. Yes that's right, I can get two JamMans to pass midi from one to the other. Yes I know it's impossible, but if you let go your concious self, and feel the Force flowing in and through you, it works. Here's how I go about it: First train with Jedi master. (optional) Then, hook the output of a sequencer or Drum machine to the MIDI in of a JamMan (optional) use a MIDI merge to take the MIDI out of an ART X-15 MIDI foot controller and merge it with the sequencer output. This allows both clock and program change info to get into the JamMan. You could run the MIDI clock through the effects, but that gets messy for me. Nobody likes a mess! Now, take the MIDI out of JamMan #1 and run it to JamMan #2. Feel the Force flowing...Start the sequencer, use either the foot controller of JamMan #1 or a MIDI controller and send a start loop (MIDI message #1) the loop will close itself according to the length of your sequence. Now, start a loop with JamMan #2 in the same way. They are independent, but both synched to eachother. Yes, I actually do this all the time. Remember, there is no try. There is only do, or not do. Now, when I send a MIDI message from my foot controller, because it's merged with the MIDI clock from the sequencer, it hits my JamMan as well as JamMan #2. I know this works, as it's currently a problem for me because JamMan #2 is being manned by a different person in my band and he doesn't always want a MIDI fade message when I send one to my JamMan. (he can't be first in line, as my MIDI merge requires a hot +5v center pin, and the JamMan doesn't supply this. My Ensonic TS-10's MIDI out does.) A MIDI message of program change #11, sent from my ART X-15 Ultrafoot (could my success have something to do with the "Ultra" quality of the X-15? Could be...) always sends my band mates JamMan into a fade, along with mine. Mute and restart work as well, but I don't use them as much so it's not a problem. Yes Greg, it's true. I've even captured this phenomana on audio and video tape. It really works, if you have faith... Don't get sore, though. You KNOW what that could lead to... On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Hogan, Greg (Exchange) wrote: > Leonardo asked: > "And what about the midi mute-restart when 2 jam are connected?" > > JAMMAN will not echo it's MIDI input to the MIDI output. The addition > of a MIDI THRU box will allow you to control both of your JAMMANs. > > Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything > that I can do for you. > > Best regards, > > Greg Hogan > Lexicon Customer Service > Phone +781-280-0372 > FAX +781-280-0499 > email: ghogan@lexicon.com > From ???@??? Tue Nov 25 21:52:40 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 25 21:31:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaa4G-0005jB-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:31:20 -0800 Message-ID: <347BB282.59E9@bway.net> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:24:19 -0500 From: dmgraph X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Echoplex 5.0 upgrade Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"H0JmUD.A.IxE.pJ7e0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1550 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:31:20 -0800 X-UIDL: ebedb5e28c4fb14a445f76b27b4c1a71 Does anyone have precise details concerning the Echoplex 5.0 upgrade? Pat Murphy at Oberheim told me they are about to burn the ROMs and that they should be available in a couple of weeks for $45. At the moment I'm most concerned about enhanced sync-from-MIDI-clock capabilities. Kim? From ???@??? Wed Nov 26 09:41:30 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 25 22:04:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaaaM-0000VN-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:04:30 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:56:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: RE: Looping with a drummer Resent-Message-ID: <"g786TC.A.8QH.vq7e0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1551 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:04:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 910987aed6fa4e0b56658de29ce23ea7 >I've had interesting results using my Jamster with a drummer. >If I try to set a loop to his beat, it seldom works. Neither of us has >perfect time, though we don't suck. >If I get a grooving loop going, it's no problem for him to get in the >pocket with it and stay there. >I should say that the music we play is completely improvised, so playing >contrary, unrelated rhythms is ok, but it'd be nice to synch perfectly >when we wanted to. >I know, practice, but why work when machines can do it for you? >He plays electronic drums, so I was thinking we could use a MIDI click out > from his stuff to drive the Jamster, or set aside one pad on his kit to >trigger it, or just put the control pedal ovr in his setup. >I'd like to maintain as much flexability as possible (no click >track/drummachine MIDI headset rig) and keep hardware >costs to a minimum. >Suggestions? Probably just practice more, eh? This probably isn't what you want to hear, but, yeah, practice is what it takes. I play bass, and do a fair amount of looping bass lines with a drummer. He's a really terrific drummer, BTW, with excellent time, unlike myself. When I first got the JamMan 3 years ago, it felt impossible to loop rhythmic lines in time, but we've worked at it, and now it works most of the time. Not always, but often enough. One thing that helps is to have a good monitor for the drummer, the better he can hear the loop, the better he can phrase to it. One band I've seen, Living Daylights, a sax/bass/drums trio from Seattle, uses extensive looped bass lines, and the drummer has a headphone mix of just the loops. I think a lot of drummers are used to being the only time keepers in the band, and get used to having everyone's time defer to theirs. It may be difficult for them to give up that role. But if your drummer is willing to work at it, it can happen. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Wed Nov 26 09:41:30 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 25 22:04:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaaa9-0000U5-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:04:17 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <347BB282.59E9@bway.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:57:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex 5.0 upgrade Resent-Message-ID: <"KWZPmC.A.TRH.yq7e0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1552 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:04:17 -0800 X-UIDL: 04e9fb1b963b4b230b5f69a6aafb855e At 12:24 AM -0500 11/26/97, dmgraph wrote: >Does anyone have precise details concerning the Echoplex 5.0 upgrade? >Pat Murphy at Oberheim told me they are about to burn the ROMs and that >they should be available in a couple of weeks for $45. At the moment >I'm most concerned about enhanced sync-from-MIDI-clock capabilities. >Kim? Midi sync: "It worked before, now it works way better" Lot's of details about the upgrade are posted on the Looper's Delight site in the echoplex section. Did you check that yet? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Nov 26 09:41:31 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 25 22:15:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaalC-0001e1-00; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:15:42 -0800 Message-ID: <347BBE04.268E@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:13:25 -0800 From: Andre LaFosse Reply-To: altruist@earthlink.net Organization: Altruist Music & Radio Sovdep X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex 5.0 upgrade References: <347BB282.59E9@bway.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MRVMS.A.B5.O07e0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1553 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:15:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 2b4667a759787f6f443b04f591fb3dda dmgraph wrote: > > Does anyone have precise details concerning the Echoplex 5.0 upgrade? > Pat Murphy at Oberheim told me they are about to burn the ROMs and that > they should be available in a couple of weeks for $45. At the moment > I'm most concerned about enhanced sync-from-MIDI-clock capabilities. > Kim? I've been using 5.0 for about a month now, and have actually been utilizing the sync-to-MIDI mode pretty extensively. It's a smoother ride; you don't have to reset all of the parameters if you want to erase a loop and create a new one -- just leave the clock running and record a new one as you please. As with just about every other aspect of the Echoplex, the upgrade makes the MIDI parameters a little more seamlessly integrated. One somewhat strange thing I've noticed has to do with reversing a loop while still slaved to MIDI clock. On most occasions, I've found that after engaging the reverse command (via the UNDO parameter bank), the "000" reading will show in the display for several repetitions of the loop, after which the reverse will finally take effect. It's entirely probable that this is due to some parameter setting which I'm presently ignorant of; if anyone could shed some light on this, I'd appreciate it. --Andre From ???@??? Wed Nov 26 09:41:35 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 01:04:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xadOp-0002wk-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:04:47 -0800 Sender: camao@camsg001.camb.scee.sony.co.uk Message-ID: <347BE50E.9DDBDCE9@scee.sony.co.uk> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:59:58 +0000 From: Os X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex 5.0 upgrade References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"n_KNPB.A.idC.lU-e0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1554 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:04:47 -0800 X-UIDL: 4620518584138f030640845a183b7f39 Just checked in at the Loopers Delight website, 'Tools of the Trade' section. I had no idea the Echoplex was a 'current' product - I assumed it was old and dead like the JamMan. I've never seen or heard of an Echoplex in England - anyone know where I should look? cheers, -- Os os@millennium.co.uk http://webworlds.net/os/ From ???@??? Wed Nov 26 09:42:21 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 07:25:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xajLA-0004G2-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:25:24 -0800 Message-ID: <347BF8BB.1041@nyfac.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:23:55 +0000 From: trevor d bajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: digitech RDS 900(0?) looks like the Time Machine References: <14585925601028@cfpa.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TkTVxD.A.efD.93Df0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1564 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:25:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 6232d77f8a37b11f9d64e778df80c8d9 Forgive the cluster of posts please. I was having mail troubles. Anyone know the difference between the 900 and the Time Machine? There doesn't seem to be much info on the site. I talked to one of the guys at digitech, and he said that the 900 had a lower sampling rate/bit depth, or something. I got to fool around with one a (900) the other day- a friend has one which went on the fritz, so I popped the top off and took it for a ride after I fixed it. Really very, very cool in a low tech grotty kind of way. So went out on a quest to find one, and located an RDS 2001 just down the street. I am afraid to say that it did not sound nearly as cool as the 900. Bummer. Anybody looking to get rid of 900? Trevor From ???@??? Wed Nov 26 09:42:22 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 07:29:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xajOw-0004eB-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:29:18 -0800 Message-ID: <347BF920.29E1@nyfac.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:28:35 +0000 From: trevor d bajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: My nerdiness cannot be denied! (or: Remember that sustainer retrofit...?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PE4f3D.A.Q3D.W8Df0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1565 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:29:18 -0800 X-UIDL: c95e8e4bbe4d74e498babdc667275fdb I like my toys, and I'm proud of it, dammit! Anybody remember the name of that company that was retrofiting strats with those Michael Brood-like devices? They sent me a catalog, but those gremlins hid it again.... Trevor From ???@??? Wed Nov 26 09:41:38 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 01:54:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaeAj-00058W-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:54:17 -0800 Message-ID: <347BFD82.27E3@infobiogen.fr> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:44:20 +0000 From: malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: Pasteur Lille X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: top 40 looping (to death) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ran2S.A.QjE.iD_e0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1555 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:54:17 -0800 X-UIDL: f1f988a558cdcd0d34125aa28653d74b this one is an easy one: "How does one loop in the context of a TOP 40 band??" The Top 40 being itself a loop of the same 4 beats over 4,30 minutes, done 40 times.... Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Wed Nov 26 09:41:46 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 04:24:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xagWA-000473-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 04:24:34 -0800 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:04:46 -0500 (EST) From: KingsleyD@aol.com Message-ID: <971126070446_1306218426@mrin43.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Andy Summers concert Resent-Message-ID: <"Lvi12C.A.eeD.TPBf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1556 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 04:24:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 040eec79fc21c0ed7a1dfc35cbd1c635 APOLOGIES IN ADVANCE FOR THE LENGTHY POST (particularly in light of the lack of direct looping content) > I was glad to see that David H..? was not involved in the production of >"The Last Dance of Mr. X." His cheesy keyboard sounds really bugged me!! That would be David Hentschel, otherwise known as Genesis producer (c. 1976 - 78) and Elton John collaborator (c. 1972 - 75) and such like... >Ever since buying Charming Snakes (I think it was - does that have him >playing a Klien in a rather -ahem - unusual manner on the back?) I've beent >trying to figure out who it sounds like he's been listening to, and it's >struck me now - he sounds more like a cross between Andy Summers and Larry >Carlton (with maybe a dash of Holdsworth or Vai)... a pity, since he seems >to be diluting his style as his technique has improved. >Practising, kids - just say no. I saw Andy S in Somerville MA last Wed & will see him again this Sat in Cleveland (globe-trotter that I am...) although I'm not entirely sure why. Particularly when he veers into a more jazz direction (such as playing std's: "Straight No Chaser"; "Footprints"; "Lonely Woman") it's painful for me to hear - and I *am* a jazz fan. I couldn't help but think that any randomly selected first-year Berklee student (of which there were many in attendance), to say nothing of, say, Steve Khan, would have played and sounded more interesting & coherent on such tunes. And known 'em better - AS' grasp of "SNC" was shaky at best, and at a very relaxed tempo, mind you, nothing like what, say, Mike Stern would essay. Things improved greatly when AS chose tunes more in a rock/groove vein. He was more animated and played more interesting lines, and the energy level of the band jumped. As for Andy's jazz leanings being a result of practicing, I don't get the impression AS practices a whole lot. In fact, my impression is that he never practices, but just coasts on what he learned (many) years ago, which includes some jazz (resort hotel orchestra gig; Soft Machine). I couldn't see where his technique had improved even a little bit from the Police days. IMHO, the problem lies in AS' *focus*, or lack thereof. When he had Der Sting bossing him around ("*no*! You're *not* gonna get more than 8 bars for that solo, and no *jazz*, either!") he was forced to come up with creative and subtle outlets for his technical skills - which he does have, btw - e. g., sneaking that little Lenny Breau bit into "Can't Stand Losing You." Left to his own devices, as he is on account of his having sold a gajillion records with The Cops, his technical skills aren't impressive enough to hold my interest, and his composing/choice of material is a bit scattered and occasionally ill-considered. If Jeff Beck is a "great player in search of a context" (liner notes to JB box set), then I'd dub AS a "good player in search of a context." (Sorry, Andy, I *do* like you, and, hey, I'd be less than honest if I didn't admit to some of the same weaknesses) OK, enough of the music critic thing - now for the obligatory gear report: Andy's Klein electrics were nowhere in evidence - he played his red 335 thru a Boogie rack setup (TriAxis, 2:90, pair o' 212 cabs) and used minimal effectage, mainly some chorusing. No trademark flanger/delay, no loops. His tone was dark to the point of muddiness, really annoying to my ears. And I'm not saying that 'cos I'm a Klein person - I have a particular fondness for 335's as well. Funny story (maybe): at NAMM last winter, I attended a show featuring AS, Allan Holdsworth, and Larry Coryell, with their respective trios; I was there with Steve Klein and Lorenzo German (builder of Klein electrics). AS had his Klein onstage, but it sat on a stand the entire set. Needless to say, SK & LG were less than thrilled. AS was quite apologetic afterwards but said the 335 fit what he was doing now a little better. Having just met him, I resisted the impulse to tell him it didn't *sound* that way, but I may not be able to hold my tongue when I see him Saturday. --Kingsley From ???@??? Wed Nov 26 09:41:57 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 04:47:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xagsR-0005Nh-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 04:47:35 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCFA68.48F46410@PCANDREW> From: Andrew To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Echoplex 5.0 upgrade Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:38:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCFA68.4903A650" Resent-Message-ID: <"te_voC.A.9vE.wlBf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1557 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 04:47:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 0068fdf173a472afb94297641a3a31e1 OS wrote I had no idea the Echoplex was a 'current' product - I assumed it was old and dead like the JamMan. I've never seen or heard of an Echoplex in England - anyone know where I should look? As far as I can ascertain, the Echoplex has never been available in England. Several attempts to find one have pointed me to Italy ( Milan or Rome I think ) as the nearest source to the UK. I went as far as calling Milan, but language differences became a problem. Oberheim say they do not ship direct to the UK. You might try and get one direct from a dealer in the US, but watch out, the warranty might be void in Europe. ( Funny story - when I first contacted Oberheim USA to ask who my nearest dealer in the UK was they said Gibson UK. I called Gibson UK and they said they no longer dealt with Oberheim, and hadn't for a while... Life was so much simpler when all I wanted was another BOSS pedal. ) Good luck Andrew From ???@??? Wed Nov 26 09:42:07 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 05:40:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xahhE-0000BT-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 05:40:04 -0800 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: Looping with a band.(LEO) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:40:33 +0100 Message-ID: <19971126134032828.AAA232@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"MErVF.A.R9G.hVCf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1560 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 05:40:04 -0800 X-UIDL: 7538de8990bf78383015c280ec31982f At 00.37 26/11/97 +0100, you wrote: >ciao leo >i play with a guitarist in a duo (i play drums and percussions with >electronic effects eccetera), and we use the midi mute-restart function >with the two jammans midi-connected as you say. (midi pedal >> jamman 1 >> >jamman 2) >it works very well. >ciao nicos > Hi Nicos And what does it happens? The 2 jams mute and restart at the same time? It could be really interesting to be able to stop and let restart in sync 2 loops together.... thanks leo PS. Hey nicos, are you living in Losanna, Svizzera? Are your origins italian? From ???@??? Wed Nov 26 09:42:05 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 05:39:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xahgs-000092-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 05:39:42 -0800 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: Leonardo, seductive is the Dark side, do not be swayed! Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:40:36 +0100 Message-ID: <19971126134032828.AAC232@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"M6kfkC.A.p4G.8UCf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1559 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 05:39:42 -0800 X-UIDL: aa2bc5e4c9ef37959af34f634c18d8ff At 20.50 25/11/97 -0500, you wrote: >Hey, > >I'm going to take a stab at this one. Sorry Greg, but you are neglecting >the mysterious side of reality. Yes that's right, I can get two JamMans >to pass midi from one to the other. Yes I know it's impossible, but if >you let go your concious self, and feel the Force flowing in and through >you, it works. Here's how I go about it: > >First train with Jedi master. (optional) Then, hook the output of a >sequencer or Drum machine to the MIDI in of a JamMan (optional) use >a MIDI merge to take the MIDI out of an ART X-15 MIDI foot controller and >merge it with the sequencer output. This allows both clock and program >change info to get into the JamMan. You could run the MIDI clock through >the effects, but that gets messy for me. > >Nobody likes a mess! > >Now, take the MIDI out of JamMan #1 and run it to JamMan #2. Feel the >Force flowing...Start the sequencer, use either the foot controller of >JamMan #1 or a MIDI controller and send a start loop (MIDI message #1) the >loop will close itself according to the length of your sequence. Now, >start a loop with JamMan #2 in the same way. They are independent, but >both synched to eachother. Yes, I actually do this all the time. >Remember, there is no try. There is only do, or not do. Now, when I send >a MIDI message from my foot controller, because it's merged with the MIDI >clock from the sequencer, it hits my JamMan as well as JamMan #2. I know >this works, as it's currently a problem for me because JamMan #2 is being >manned by a different person in my band and he doesn't always want a MIDI >fade message when I send one to my JamMan. (he can't be first in line, as >my MIDI merge requires a hot +5v center pin, and the JamMan doesn't supply >this. My Ensonic TS-10's MIDI out does.) A MIDI message of program >change #11, sent >from my ART X-15 Ultrafoot (could my success have something to do with the >"Ultra" quality of the X-15? Could be...) always sends my band mates >JamMan into a fade, along with mine. Mute and restart work as well, but I >don't use them as much so it's not a problem. > Well, in this way the master is the seq/drum machine, right? It's not what I was thinging about, but worth a try. Having to buy a midi box to control program changes from my pedalboard, i'd like to use my jam as master and drum machine and other jam as slaves. I wanna rule the world! ciao leo From ???@??? Wed Nov 26 09:42:06 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 05:39:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xahgx-00009e-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 05:39:47 -0800 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: RE: Looping with a band. Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:40:42 +0100 Message-ID: <19971126134041234.AAA62@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"DAsDE.A.S3G.1UCf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1558 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 05:39:47 -0800 X-UIDL: be89d6ceb35a827ce8df30c93267c71f At 14.26 25/11/97 -0500, you wrote: > Leonardo asked: > "And what about the midi mute-restart when 2 jam are connected?" > >JAMMAN will not echo it's MIDI input to the MIDI output. The addition >of a MIDI THRU box will allow you to control both of your JAMMANs. > Hi Greg I already use 2 jams connected via midi. Jam master midi out -> jam slave midi in. To connect a drum machine I've to add a thu box, yeah, I've already tried. But my question was: when using ONLY 2 jammans (no drum machine in this case) what does it happen when tha master give the midi mute restart command? The other jam mutes and restarts in sync? thanks for the help ciao leo From ???@??? Wed Nov 26 09:42:11 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 06:14:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaiEG-0002GI-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 06:14:12 -0800 Message-Id: <97Nov26.080917cst.26884@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:08:37 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: RE: CE or not CE...What is the Problem? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"64xpyC.A._vB.U1Cf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1562 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 06:14:12 -0800 X-UIDL: 91ca419c7d04de46d4e10ee8a9e5724f There are options to consider and tweaks to make. We will have CE approved Echoplexes very soon ( no man shall know the time or date!). "My plans...my plans...my beautiful plans..." Tom At 09:32 AM 11/26/97 -0600, you wrote: >>>I had no idea the Echoplex was a 'current' product - I assumed it was >>>old and dead like the JamMan. I've never seen or heard of an Echoplex in >>>England - anyone know where I should look? > >>As far as I can ascertain, the Echoplex has never been available in >England. >Several attempts to find one have pointed me to Italy ( Milan or >Rome I think ) >as the nearest source to the UK. I went as far as calling >Milan, but language >differences became a problem. Oberheim say they do >not ship direct to the UK. >You might try and get one direct from a dealer >in the US, but watch out, the >warranty might be void in Europe. > >The problem is that Oberheim can't be bothered getting CE certification. >It is a disgrace that they aren't concerned with our safety in this way! >All European companies have to meet this standard, so there can be no >excuse for the lax behaviour of our American cousins! > >Guys, sort yourselves _out_!!!! > >Michael > >(All the above to be taken with a great big smiley, of course....!) > > > > From ???@??? Thu Nov 27 00:45:12 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 11:47:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xanQd-0000F2-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:47:19 -0800 Message-ID: <347C3516.39E2@nyfac.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:41:26 +0000 From: trevor d bajus Reply-To: nyfac2@nyfac.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Burma References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KipikC.A.MVG.QpHf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1585 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:47:19 -0800 X-UIDL: c6e4b4d9161152c4441371f235cac093 I have the Mission of Burma comp (the white one w/the band photo on the cover) with Peking Spring, This is Not a Photograph, etc., etc., on it. Not a loop to be heard. Anybody care to rate the MOB ouvre? Loop- and ther- wise? Trevor From ???@??? Wed Nov 26 09:42:26 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 08:15:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xak7Y-0000VG-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:15:24 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291786A5@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: looping and Punk@!%!! Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:52:04 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"NnyRV.A.WGH.FmEf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1568 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:15:24 -0800 X-UIDL: e17f8c88f267f365dc71d016b094db6b > ---------- > From: improv@peak.org[SMTP:improv@peak.org] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 7:40 PM > To: GHogan@lexicon.com > Subject: RE: looping and Punk@!%!! > > > Dave Trenkel asked: > > "Didn't Mission of Burma, Roger Miller's early band, have a > >member who just did processing and tape-looping?" > > > > Yes, Their soundman, Martin Swope, added tape loops which > was > >an integral part of their live sound and their latter recordings. > > > Right, and didn't Swope and Miller start Birdsongs of the Mesozoic? > That > was a cool band, especially their early stuff. I loved their chessy > new-wave cover of Stravinsky's Rite of Spring. > I believe the main person behind Birdsongs was and is Erik Lindgren. From ???@??? Wed Nov 26 09:42:25 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 08:15:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xak7O-0000UA-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:15:14 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291786A6@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Footswitch for Lexicon Vortex Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:54:36 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Bvw4_C.A.IGH.EmEf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1567 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:15:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 59b0663e73048119ed81bfa8862d8e65 Andrzej asked: > "Hi, > Short question. I've just bought a Lexicon Vortex. It does not > have a > footswitch. Is it easy to substitute it? What should I use?" > You can use to normally opened footswitches wired to a single cable with one switch closing the tip and sleeve connection and the other switch closing the ring and sleeve connection. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +781-280-0499 email: ghogan@lexicon.com From ???@??? Wed Nov 26 09:42:17 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 07:04:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaj0q-0002hN-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:04:24 -0800 X-Sender: gorton@g.imap.itd.umich.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:56:30 -0500 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: gorton@umich.edu (Russell Gorton) Subject: echoplex = instant cool Resent-Message-ID: <"pCJ4_D.A.EDC.kjDf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1563 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:04:24 -0800 X-UIDL: c64e6dbb605e67be8860403e055fad25 Why does an Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro (16 Mb) equal instant cool, you ask? 1. I've written a new rock song for my power-trio (other guys) plus multi-instrumental writer/arranger guy (me) band. Instead of just plugging through the chords with them in pieces and arguing over a LOUUUUUUUD drummer about where to make the changes, I can now record each drum pattern into a separate loop of the EP. I just play the drum kit (terribly) and whack at the Record button with my left foot between hi-hat clutches, until it's close to seamless. Then, I use NextLoop with SwitchQuant to record the structured song onto the multitrack by "tabbing" through each loop for enough repetitions, then layer the crude instrumental parts on the tape. Then, when teaching the song, it's CAKE...just give them my "rough" tape. Echoplex is like a drum machine, but far easier to use and faster to get a project recording done with (provided you have a drum set miced into a soundboard with aux sends to the Echoplex...kind of a big prerequisite, I guess.) It's drum machine, Echoplex-style. 2. I was a class clown in middle school orchestra 12 years ago. I used to terrorize the teacher and disrupt class, mouth off, etc. I finally paid her back by giving an electric 'cello demonstration to the 7th/8th grade string players (ages 10-13). I do other volunteer teaching and I know what a tough age group this is to impress. The secret? Echoplex. I'm serious...I just played some bullsh*t riff-off of Michael Hedges' _Rickover's Dream_ with a guitar pick near the bridge of the 'cello, where the transducer really catches a metallic glint. Then turn the hall reverb way up, thicken the flange, and Multiply some bowings on there. I was able to keep the room quiet (from talking) for about 10 minutes. My old teacher couldn't believe it. Echoplex = instant cool. From ???@??? Wed Nov 26 09:42:23 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 07:43:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xajcv-0005nP-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:43:45 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:38:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: David Myers Subject: Fripp tour? Resent-Message-ID: <"sLVak.A.z7E.CJEf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1566 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:43:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 51e74a47b22b8bbcff5fe5f9a807fa57 Got tickets for Bob's space journey here at the Bottom Line, Dec. 13. Anyone know if he's doing other dates, seen him lately? Frankly, I almost passed up this gig since the Soundscape CD's seem to indicate he's been working with about one-and-a-half musical ideas, of late. "Lookit how much gear I've got!" is hardly an artistic statement. But maybe some of you guys will take in the show & post your views.... From ???@??? Wed Nov 26 09:42:28 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 08:55:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xakk4-0004oR-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:55:12 -0800 X-Sender: nicomonguzzi@mail.vtx.ch Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971126134032828.AAA232@Default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:00:54 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "nicomonguzzi" Subject: Re: Looping with a band.(LEO) Resent-Message-ID: <"faGftB.A.8kD.uJFf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1570 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:55:12 -0800 X-UIDL: f4e20f3bcc2fc639ad893531a4e750de Ciao > >Hi Nicos > >And what does it happens? The 2 jams mute and restart at the same time? It >could be really interesting to be able to stop and let restart in sync 2 >loops together.... > yes the 2 jammen mute and restart at the same time, and you can even change the loop (from loop number 1 to loop 2 and so on). >thanks >leo > >PS. Hey nicos, are you living in Losanna, Svizzera? Are your origins italian? (not very loop concerned) Yes i live in Losanna, Svizzera, but i come from Meride, Ticino, the south part of switzerland where we speech italian. My mother comes from Milan, so my blood is half italian (and my heart even more..). I like soccer (calcio) like an italian. Among others things i must program my VCR because this night i have a concert and Champion's League is on tv... ciao nicos From ???@??? Wed Nov 26 09:42:31 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 09:14:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xal2s-0007CO-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:14:38 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C291786A5@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: RE: looping and Punk@!%!! Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:50:14 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"G0d7DD.A.BuF.kbFf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1573 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:14:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 99a131d8fe4709a785e998afbfe29e8d Hail Burma ! They lit a fire under my ass& showed me anything is possible in music. I saw them oct 82 before Vs was released.Kinda changed my life.Any one here heard Roger's latest Elemental Guitar which features a healthy amount of looping in songform context?On the subject of Punk(?) looping what about Elliot Sharp? K Law From ???@??? Wed Nov 26 09:42:27 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 08:37:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xakSa-0002mC-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:37:08 -0800 Message-ID: <347C567F.33D5@intcpi.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:04:00 -0500 From: jprice@intcpi.com (John Price) Reply-To: jprice@intcpi.com Organization: INTELLISOFT, CPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fripp tour? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1sxPTC.A.k7B.m5Ef0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1569 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:37:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 338cdcb0ad412a3782d57ee31df3f283 David Myers wrote: > > Got tickets for Bob's space journey here at the Bottom Line, Dec. 13. > Anyone know if he's doing other dates, seen him lately? Frankly, I almost > passed up this gig since the Soundscape CD's seem to indicate he's been > working with about one-and-a-half musical ideas, of late. "Lookit how much > gear I've got!" is hardly an artistic statement. But maybe some of you > guys will take in the show & post your views.... Fripp usually works in whatever way The Music tells him to work. He never works the way anyone would like him to work. He has always seemed to take great joy and often ( rightfully so IMHO ) gone to great lengths to pour salt in any expectations anyone may have of him or about his music. Also, Fripp is pretty light in the gear Department ( The Mobile, Globile concept or somethn to that effect, I think ) Sure he has rack mounts and synths embedded into his rig. But Im certain he could put his entire setup into the back seat of a Hyandai and still have room for a passenger to sit comfortablly along with his gear, if necessary. Fripp just doesnt carry around all of the equipment baggage that most world class guitarists seem to inately aspire to hording. For goodness sakes, Fripp doesnt even play thru an amp. Listening without expectactions is usually the 1st step to hearing something completely. If your really listening and then perhaps you actually hear the issue of whether or not you like something becomes almost irrelevant. Fripps music isnt always about needing to be appreciated or enjoyed ( it rarely ever is ) moreover, its meant to be sincerely and freely heard from more than just your ears. You should still ck him out. :) From ???@??? Wed Nov 26 09:42:32 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 09:27:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xalF7-0000vi-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:27:17 -0800 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:30:54 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <347BBE04.268E@earthlink.net> References: <347BB282.59E9@bway.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: Echoplex 5.0 upgrade Resent-Message-ID: <"e8bXfD.A.5FH.9mFf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1574 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:27:17 -0800 X-UIDL: 55897b85731037b2c74326d4e9c989fc Andre wrote: >One somewhat strange thing I've noticed has to do with reversing a loop >while still slaved to MIDI clock. On most occasions, I've found that >after engaging the reverse command (via the UNDO parameter bank), the >"000" reading will show in the display for several repetitions of the >loop, after which the reverse will finally take effect. It's entirely >probable that this is due to some parameter setting which I'm presently >ignorant of; if anyone could shed some light on this, I'd appreciate it. > My guess is that you must have QUANTIZE=ON, so that the reverse playback is not taking effect until the end of the current cycle. You say that it does not take effect until after "several repetitions"...? That is weird. Are you sure about that? Perhaps, you changed the length of the cycle, without reaizing it... I am having great success with the new software upgrade! I like the fact that (when brother or midi syncing) if you screw up a loop and erase it, you don't have to wait for the downbeat to come along before you can record another. Hope you all get some good loopin' in over the long weekend! Cheers, Chris From ???@??? Wed Nov 26 09:42:30 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 09:03:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaksN-0005rC-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:03:47 -0800 Message-ID: <347C6110.2D78@infobiogen.fr> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:49:06 +0000 From: malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: Pasteur Lille X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: jam man memory References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CyOi-B.A.ciE.-RFf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1571 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:03:47 -0800 X-UIDL: d684133040e3db65186126ba00cd4b76 After receiving the machine today, i'd want to expand it to 32 sec. The thing is none here (France) knows about ZIP memory chips... Hence no one sells it. If I rememmber well, someone talked about the set of chips being found at about 50 bucks? Or amybe someone has some to sell, either way, if you have a phone number op provide me, that would not be a 800-xXXXXX (800 don't pass international...) Thanks in advance.. Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Wed Nov 26 09:42:31 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 09:08:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xakwS-0006O8-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:08:00 -0800 Message-ID: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Raul Bonell Tomas" Organization: Atzucac To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:01:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: quadraverb questions!!!?? Reply-to: rauboto@eui.upv.es Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Resent-Message-ID: <"mvzkaB.A.a6E.FVFf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1572 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:08:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 4b8c9f430708a73e6351f006de270294 Hi Steven May you counsel me some interesting places where to find used Quadraverbs (or gear in general)? Peace.Love.Raul. > Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 15:21:28 -0500 (EST) > From: Steven Dubofsky > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: quadraverb questions!!!?? > Reply-to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, andre wrote: > > > hey all.... > > > > anyone have a alesis quadraverb out there??? any thoughts??? pros/cons...? etc > > I use a QV GT and love it. Honestly I can't think of any cons except the > delays don't sync to midi clocks. > > > > > > i mostly wanna know whether or not it suffers from that annoying msec delay > > when you cahnge programs via midi - some devices do, some don't - that > > delay as the software change kicks in, you know...? pls let me know anyting > > else about the unit - i have a chace to buy one - also what's a good > > ballpark proce. i know there are updated quads and the quad GT, but this is > > what is here, now. > > > There's a delay for sure. The older GT's can be found under $200 US. I got > mine for $125. > > > steve d > > > Skullsaw may cause irritation and watering of the eyes. > DO NOT use Skullsaw if pregnant. Studies show Skullsaw > may be habit forming. Consult your physician. > > http://www.gti.net/skullsaw > > > From ???@??? Thu Nov 27 00:45:08 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 11:20:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xan12-0004uP-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:20:52 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971126183144.11006.qmail@omni2.voicenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:13:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: Echoplex 5.0 upgrade Resent-Message-ID: <"E5oI1D.A.-pD.TSHf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1581 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:20:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 1a46143cfbcef68466b5be7149493ce6 >Hmmmmm. It's nice to hear some positive feedback about the upgrade. >But it leaves me wondering... how did these folks get the upgrade >and why is it taking so long to receive my shipment? > I received the beta version a few months ago, to help Kim with testing. __________________________________________________ Chris Chovit avec@gomez.jpl.nasa.gov AVIRIS Experiment Coordinator pager #: (888) 415-4547 From ???@??? Thu Nov 27 00:45:08 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 11:20:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xan0h-0004s1-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:20:31 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19971126153200.3a8f5186@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> References: <01BCFA68.48F46410@PCANDREW> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:24:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Echoplex 5.0 upgrade Resent-Message-ID: <"CVvqk.A.-XD.HQHf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1579 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:20:31 -0800 X-UIDL: 3dafd819f0e9d0d4021abed51ae65e15 At 3:32 PM -0800 11/26/97, Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D. wrote: >>>I had no idea the Echoplex was a 'current' product - I assumed it was >>>old and dead like the JamMan. I've never seen or heard of an Echoplex in >>>England - anyone know where I should look? > >>As far as I can ascertain, the Echoplex has never been available in >England. >Several attempts to find one have pointed me to Italy ( Milan or >Rome I think ) >as the nearest source to the UK. I went as far as calling >Milan, but language >differences became a problem. Oberheim say they do >not ship direct to the UK. >You might try and get one direct from a dealer >in the US, but watch out, the >warranty might be void in Europe. > >The problem is that Oberheim can't be bothered getting CE certification. >It is a disgrace that they aren't concerned with our safety in this way! Aren't you the same continent that thinks it's a good idea to run 220V all around the house? I think I'm going to customize a "special" echoplex just for you Michael. Make sure you're standing barefoot in a puddle when you press the "mute" button.... :-) kim >All European companies have to meet this standard, so there can be no >excuse for the lax behaviour of our American cousins! > >Guys, sort yourselves _out_!!!! > >Michael > >(All the above to be taken with a great big smiley, of course....!) ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Nov 26 11:09:04 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 10:47:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xamUo-000124-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:47:34 -0800 Date: 26 Nov 1997 18:31:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19971126183144.11006.qmail@omni2.voicenet.com> From: floyd@voicenet.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex 5.0 upgrade Resent-Message-ID: <"VBuviD.A.3LH.txGf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1575 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:47:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 93c84d04320ffc07226dea07e1ba7d4b Chris Chovit wrote: > I am having great success with the new software upgrade! I like the fact > that .... > > Hope you all get some good loopin' in over the long weekend! Hmmmmm. It's nice to hear some positive feedback about the upgrade. But it leaves me wondering... how did these folks get the upgrade and why is it taking so long to receive my shipment? - Floyd From ???@??? Thu Nov 27 00:45:15 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 12:19:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xanvO-0003TF-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:19:06 -0800 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:33:42 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: babs Subject: Re: Fripp tour? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Resent-Message-ID: <"D-LRwB.A.phC.RKIf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1586 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:19:06 -0800 X-UIDL: ad1dce0d1060ba7eeefb3aa78898d2f0 In message , David Myers writes >Got tickets for Bob's space journey here at the Bottom Line, Dec. 13. >Anyone know if he's doing other dates, seen him lately? Frankly, I almost >passed up this gig since the Soundscape CD's seem to indicate he's been >working with about one-and-a-half musical ideas, of late. "Lookit how much >gear I've got!" is hardly an artistic statement. But maybe some of you >guys will take in the show & post your views.... > > > Here's the list of dates RF sent to Elephant Talk.... Fripp Alone - An Evening of Space Music The confirmed dates are: Wed. 10 Dec. Alexandria, VA Birchmere Thur. 11 Dec. Philadelphia, PA Painted Bride Arts Center Fri. 12 Dec. Philadelphia, PA Painted Bride Arts Center Sat. 13 Dec. New York, NY Bottom Line It is likely that Boston will be added shortly. -- babs From ???@??? Wed Nov 26 11:09:05 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 10:48:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xamVt-00019t-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:48:41 -0800 Message-Id: <97Nov26.124034cst.26883@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:39:57 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Very Big News Part One Cc: kpaul@gibson.com, pmurphy@gibson.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"V9KxVB.A.RF.qzGf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1576 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:48:41 -0800 X-UIDL: fd92e481e3588f031b4e94be397d0ff6 Attention Echoplex Seekers: The following list of Oberheim Dealers had Echoplex Digital Pros in stock. Anyone who has been searching for an Echoplex (but does not yet have one on order)would do well to call these stores. I am not suggesting you cancel your order at your local music store and grab one of these. That would get me into trouble with the Dealer who kindly ordered one from us on your behalf. The dealers on this list have had these units in stock for some time, they are NOT recent shipments of Echoplexes!!! I make no guarantees to the availability of any units on this list, or at what prices they are selling at. I will say that quoted prices varied widely. This is to be expected - some stores may not "get" the Echoplex and are blowing it out at or near wholesale. ONE CATCH... Please tell them Oberheim sent you. If you buy one of these units, please e-mail me and let me know what store you bought it from and what price you paid. This survey was done without identifying who was calling, so feel free to haggle over the price as usual!! Happy Hunting!! DEALER QUANTITY DESCRIPTION PHONE Bach to Rock (2) 1 MEG/ with footswitches 201-839-2224 Americana Guitar (1) 1 MEG/ with footswitch 610-328-2464 Music Xchange (1) 1 MEG/ with footswitch 904-224-2662 Guitar Ctr/Atlanta (1) 4 MEG/ no footswitch 404-320-7253 Bob's Music (1) 1 MEG/ with footswitch 419-224-7440 From ???@??? Wed Nov 26 11:09:06 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 10:57:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xamdw-00028t-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:57:00 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:42:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: RE: looping and Punk@!%!! Resent-Message-ID: <"h5m90D.A.Nu.94Gf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1577 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:57:00 -0800 X-UIDL: f4e49f5ab3736e123d8c87ee314c336a >Hail Burma ! They lit a fire under my ass& showed me anything is possible >in music. I saw them oct 82 before Vs was released.Kinda changed my >life.Any one here heard Roger's latest Elemental Guitar which features a >healthy amount of looping in songform context?On the subject of Punk(?) >looping what about Elliot Sharp? > > K Law Elliot's one of my all-time favorite musicians, but I wouldn't exactly consoder him punk. Cyberpunk, maybe... ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Wed Nov 26 11:09:07 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 11:07:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xamnj-0003JN-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:07:07 -0800 Message-Id: <97Nov26.125856cst.26882@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:58:19 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re: Echoplex 5.0 upgrade Cc: pmurphy@gibson.com, kpaul@gibson.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"hzTNuD.A.dIC.8EHf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1578 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:07:07 -0800 X-UIDL: b8cc36cd1ddd1a3366825d5d53f74ad8 >Hmmmmm. It's nice to hear some positive feedback about the upgrade. >But it leaves me wondering... how did these folks get the upgrade >and why is it taking so long to receive my shipment? > > - Floyd Floyd et. al.- We are expecting E-proms soon (I use that word too much...). Due to a predilection for all things tubular, our temporary tech has left to get his plate voltage cranked, leaving us with an E-prom blower and e-proms on order, but no new e-proms or e-prom blowee. BTW, all you enterprising EE's out there...applications are being accepted!! Those that have the upgrade got the last of the first batch or had units in for repair and were given the upgrade as small recompense for waiting untold days/months for the Big O to get it together. My apologies to everyone else. ROM was not built in a day... Tom From ???@??? Thu Nov 27 00:45:09 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 11:34:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xanDr-0006SH-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:34:07 -0800 Message-Id: <199711261921.LAA08693@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: "Loop List" Subject: Looper CD update Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:28:22 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"54TnMC.A.rKF.BfHf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1582 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:34:07 -0800 X-UIDL: f9f15e614a26ad39e6058b6e8457edbb Greetings! Well it looks like the current CD project will remain in the hands of Ray Peck. He seemed reluctant to turn over the DATs to me and I don't feel like I'm in a position to demand them back. He gave me no indication as to when the project will be completed...only that he needs to either a) find someone to transfer the DATs to CD-R so he can compile the tracks or b) wait for Event Electronics to ship their Layla soundcard so he can do the transfer. I offered to compile the DATs using ProTools and then dump everything to a master DAT. Since I don't have the capability to burn CD-Rs, and given the fact that Mr. Peck wants to edit the Looper CD, I can't be of any further help. If anyone has the capability to transfer DATs to CD-Rs I suggest you contact Mr. Peck directly at rpeck@rpeck.com. Sorry I couldn't get this thing moving again. Matt From ???@??? Thu Nov 27 00:45:10 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 11:38:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xanHh-0006uM-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:38:05 -0800 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F410A32@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'jprice@intcpi.com'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Fripp tour? Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:31:44 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"ZpFhS.A.KnF.xiHf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1583 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:38:05 -0800 X-UIDL: fb606093c981578e5d1f5a9062e65349 RE: Fripp and his gear. When he was on tour with G3, Robert carried a small mountain of equipment. He had a four foot tall rack with two of everything in it (so he can run two looping "architectures" each in stereo). Further, his "pedal-board" has developed to become a "pedal-riser." That is, he sits on a one-foot tall by about five foot square riser, to which is attached his stool, all foot-pedals and other stuff of wonder. The rack and the "riser" are connected via an "umbilical" chord, so that when set-change time comes it takes three people a few seconds to move the lot off stage. Two to pick up the riser, and one to push the rack. Hardly anything that would fit in a Hyundi... maybe a Land Rover? My guess is he's doing the shows on the East Coast to help defray the cost of shipping his stuff to the US in anticipation of some King Crimson rehearsals in early 1998. Just a speculation... David -----Original Message----- From: jprice@intcpi.com [SMTP:jprice@intcpi.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 1997 12:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fripp tour? David Myers wrote: > Also, Fripp is pretty light in the gear Department ( The Mobile, Globile concept or somethn to that effect, I think ) Sure he has rack mounts and synths embedded into his rig. But Im certain he could put his entire setup into the back seat of a Hyandai and still have room for a passenger to sit comfortablly along with his gear, if necessary. Fripp just doesnt carry around all of the equipment baggage that most world class guitarists seem to inately aspire to hording. For goodness sakes, Fripp doesnt even play thru an amp. You should still ck him out. :) From ???@??? Thu Nov 27 00:45:11 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 11:47:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xanQU-0000Dn-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:47:10 -0800 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F410A33@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'klaw@iglou.com'" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Rodger Miller -- now in Binary System Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:38:35 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"4IL7bC.A.nUG.NpHf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1584 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:47:11 -0800 X-UIDL: f5048220822db9cc31bbe050f4fa3587 Info for Rodger Miller fans. Rodger's current musical activities are in an entity called "Binary System" - in which he plays piano and treated piano accompanied by (my pal) Larry Dersch on drums. Kind of like the French man Jacques Lucier's "Pulsions" from the 70's. Last year Binary System recorded an album in LA. It is just been released, though I can't remember the name of the label... If you're interested, e-mail me privately and I can find out for you. Binary System recently played in Boston w/ The Ex. David Kirkdorffer -----Original Message----- From: klaw@iglou.com [SMTP:klaw@iglou.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 1997 11:50 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: looping and Punk@!%!! Hail Burma ! They lit a fire under my ass& showed me anything is possible in music. I saw them oct 82 before Vs was released.Kinda changed my life.Any one here heard Roger's latest Elemental Guitar which features a healthy amount of looping in songform context?On the subject of Punk(?) looping what about Elliot Sharp? K Law From ???@??? Thu Nov 27 00:45:16 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 12:42:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaoIE-00062M-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:42:42 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971126203256.00d2d230@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:32:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looper CD update Resent-Message-ID: <"CPfKc.A.5kE.zdIf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1587 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:42:42 -0800 X-UIDL: c2a180b922a896001f449d8d61eb8183 Hey Matt, by now there are probably a reasonable number of people who would like to participate in a 2nd cd (or maybe more). Maybe you could organize that? It might be nice to have an ongoing series of cd's coming out. kim At 11:28 AM 11/26/97 -0800, Matt McCabe wrote: >Greetings! > >Well it looks like the current CD project will remain in the hands of Ray >Peck. He seemed reluctant to turn over the DATs to me and I don't feel >like I'm in a position to demand them back. He gave me no indication as to >when the project will be completed...only that he needs to either a) find >someone to transfer the DATs to CD-R so he can compile the tracks or b) >wait for Event Electronics to ship their Layla soundcard so he can do the >transfer. > >I offered to compile the DATs using ProTools and then dump everything to a >master DAT. Since I don't have the capability to burn CD-Rs, and given the >fact that Mr. Peck wants to edit the Looper CD, I can't be of any further >help. > >If anyone has the capability to transfer DATs to CD-Rs I suggest you >contact Mr. Peck directly at rpeck@rpeck.com. > >Sorry I couldn't get this thing moving again. > >Matt > > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 27 00:45:17 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 12:42:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaoIH-00062d-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:42:45 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCFA80.9751A740@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Fripp tour? Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:33:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"-hbkXC.A.moE.aeIf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1588 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:42:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 539c7fbaf350e71ea9197ff06e0075ff I saw Fripp open for the G3 tour last summer at Pine Knob in Clarkston, Michigan. He started playing around 6 p.m. While the show was scheduled to start at 7:30. There were a handful of people in the pavillion and, at first, I was disappointed at what I was SEEING. He'd play a few notes, let them loop and then play a few more. The applause was less than sparse. Then I decided to close my eyes and just LISTEN. Wow! That's where it all came together for me. As a looper, it's easy for me to get wrapped up in the contents of his rack and all the techno-geek stuff. But once I concentrated on the music, I saw the light. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com p.s. I left the concert soon after the other acts started. They just seemed to be anti-climactic after the soundscapes. ---------- From: David Myers[SMTP:dmgraph@bway.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 1997 10:38 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Fripp tour? Got tickets for Bob's space journey here at the Bottom Line, Dec. 13. Anyone know if he's doing other dates, seen him lately? Frankly, I almost passed up this gig since the Soundscape CD's seem to indicate he's been working with about one-and-a-half musical ideas, of late. "Lookit how much gear I've got!" is hardly an artistic statement. But maybe some of you guys will take in the show & post your views.... From ???@??? Thu Nov 27 00:45:18 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 12:53:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaoS5-0007As-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:52:53 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971126203831.00a08f78@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:38:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Fripp tour? Resent-Message-ID: <"smP12B.A.42F.1oIf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1589 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:52:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 844dafd1e9b001173712ba94b9c907f9 When I met Fripp before one of the King Crimson shows a few years back, he and his tech said that he actually maintained two separate rigs in Europe and the US. The shipping costs for transporting it all across the ocean were apparently so great that it was cheaper to buy it all a second time. He had a heck of a lot of gear for those shows, btw. kim At 02:31 PM 11/26/97 -0500, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >RE: Fripp and his gear. > >When he was on tour with G3, Robert carried a small mountain of >equipment. > >He had a four foot tall rack with two of everything in it (so he can run >two looping "architectures" each in stereo). Further, his "pedal-board" >has developed to become a "pedal-riser." That is, he sits on a one-foot >tall by about five foot square riser, to which is attached his stool, >all foot-pedals and other stuff of wonder. > >The rack and the "riser" are connected via an "umbilical" chord, so that >when set-change time comes it takes three people a few seconds to move >the lot off stage. Two to pick up the riser, and one to push the rack. > >Hardly anything that would fit in a Hyundi... maybe a Land Rover? > >My guess is he's doing the shows on the East Coast to help defray the >cost of shipping his stuff to the US in anticipation of some King >Crimson rehearsals in early 1998. Just a speculation... > >David > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jprice@intcpi.com [SMTP:jprice@intcpi.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 1997 12:04 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Fripp tour? > > David Myers wrote: > > > Also, Fripp is pretty light in the gear Department ( The Mobile, >Globile > concept or somethn to that effect, I think ) Sure he has rack >mounts and > synths embedded into his rig. But Im certain he could put his >entire > setup into the back seat of a Hyandai and still have room for a > passenger to sit comfortablly along with his gear, if necessary. > Fripp just doesnt carry around all of the equipment baggage that >most > world class guitarists seem to inately aspire to hording. > For goodness sakes, Fripp doesnt even play thru an amp. > > You should still ck him out. :) > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 27 00:45:21 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 12:58:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaoXC-0007nb-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:58:10 -0800 Message-Id: <97Nov26.145035cst.26881@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:50:00 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Part Two Cc: kpaul@gibson.com, pmurphy@gibson.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"MPMREC.A.AaG.gtIf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1590 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:58:10 -0800 X-UIDL: e6f1dfaf6e10ecd752d9b2b90397bd42 A latecomer arrives: DEALER QUANTITY DESCRIPTION PHONE Professional Sound and Music (2) 1 MEG/ with footswitches 619-583-7851 The weary world rejoices... Tom From ???@??? Thu Nov 27 00:45:22 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 13:05:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaodu-0000m3-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:05:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199711262049.MAA10469@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: Looper CD update Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:56:13 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"M_H03D.A.XDH.PzIf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1591 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:05:06 -0800 X-UIDL: 46beb733804a74fd08a4d90caa3fa54d > From: Kim Flint > Hey Matt, > > by now there are probably a reasonable number of people who would like to > participate in a 2nd cd (or maybe more). Maybe you could organize that? It > might be nice to have an ongoing series of cd's coming out. Funny you should mention that. I was actually thinking about getting another project going. I need to check on a few things at work first. I want to make sure that I have the resources to finish the project *before* starting it. And I want to make sure it gets done right....in a timely fashion. I've been keeping a list of people who expressed interest/concern in the pending Looper CD. If anyone else is interested, please email me and I'll keep your name on hand. Matt Matt From ???@??? Thu Nov 27 00:45:23 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 13:21:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaoty-0002Ee-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:21:42 -0800 X-Sender: landman@mail.wco.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:21:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: New Oberheim Resent-Message-ID: <"PnKtU.A.yXB.bDJf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1592 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:21:42 -0800 X-UIDL: af1ff7992c1100661189304014fb7b17 Tom- Noticed a brief and interesting mention of new Oberheim rack processors at the magazine store, G-100 or somethingÉ Care to enlighten the list? Best- Mark From ???@??? Thu Nov 27 00:45:31 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 13:31:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xap38-0003BI-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:31:10 -0800 Date: 26 Nov 1997 21:24:44 -0000 Message-ID: <19971126212444.16186.qmail@omni1.voicenet.com> From: floyd@voicenet.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex 5.0 upgrade Resent-Message-ID: <"V1OsqB.A.SXC.eOJf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1593 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:31:10 -0800 X-UIDL: c828523b7a781907ae3457bcf191fa7e Tom Spaulding wrote: > We are expecting E-proms soon (I use that word too much...). Due to a > predilection for all things tubular, our temporary tech has left to get his > plate voltage cranked, leaving us with an E-prom blower and e-proms on > order, but no new e-proms or e-prom blowee. BTW, all you enterprising EE's > out there...applications are being accepted!! This may not be feasible (and notice my tongue firmly in cheek) but how about emailing the PROM data file for those of us enterprising EE's who have access to a PROM burner but already have a job? - Floyd From ???@??? Thu Nov 27 00:45:32 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 13:44:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xapFZ-0004RV-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:44:01 -0800 Message-Id: <97Nov26.153746cst.26883@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:37:16 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re: Echoplex 5.0 upgrade Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"sxsXRD.A.xdD.sZJf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1594 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:44:01 -0800 X-UIDL: cf8e51c4073bf82666d9b8365ced62ef Floyd- That's gonna be a Kim thing, I suspect. I (being merely a men's 10 E) do not have the required knowledge to discuss what is possible, only what is "coming soon". ;) Tom At 03:24 PM 11/26/97 -0600, you wrote: >Tom Spaulding wrote: > >> We are expecting E-proms soon (I use that word too much...). Due to a >> predilection for all things tubular, our temporary tech has left to get his >> plate voltage cranked, leaving us with an E-prom blower and e-proms on >> order, but no new e-proms or e-prom blowee. BTW, all you enterprising EE's >> out there...applications are being accepted!! > >This may not be feasible (and notice my tongue firmly in cheek) but how >about emailing the PROM data file for those of us enterprising EE's who >have access to a PROM burner but already have a job? > > > - Floyd > > > > From ???@??? Thu Nov 27 00:45:33 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 13:57:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xapSG-0005f9-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:57:08 -0800 Message-Id: <97Nov26.155043cst.26888@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:50:11 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re: New Oberheim Plug Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched Resent-Message-ID: <"hrcsbB.A.IxE.8mJf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1595 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:57:08 -0800 X-UIDL: e9ddb6d47e17e630d95b7a27996dc53a Mark- I'll refer you to the "review" on our web page at www.oberheim.com. Personally, I think the GM1000 processing power and architecture is great, even unique, but the presets are (no offense) the Italian idea of Modern Guitar sounds - heavy on the "Steve Catheter" Toto Tones. I have floated the idea of having some of the more toneful Twang Town guitarists program a Rev. 2 batch of presets, so we'll see if that takes off. In the meantime, demand that your local Favorite Music Retailer stock one, check it out and let me know what you think of it. The GM400 is a single-rack, scaled-down version that does less of the same. When I get a spare minute, I will put the total GM series info on the website. It is a very deep machine that begs to be understood. Thanks for the interest!! Tom At 03:21 PM 11/26/97 -0600, you wrote: >Tom- > >Noticed a brief and interesting mention of new Oberheim rack processors at >the magazine store, G-100 or somethingÉ > >Care to enlighten the list? > >Best- > >Mark > > > > > From ???@??? Thu Nov 27 00:45:38 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 15:11:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xaqcX-0004nm-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:11:49 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199711262305.PAA23765@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: On being complete nerds (and longhairs) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:05:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <01BCF80A.30E35EE0.lahatch@dnai.com> from "Laurie Hatch" at Nov 23, 97 12:03:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"g36YcD.A.C0D.esKf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1596 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:11:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 81170e525c5d574307ee64649ebb5058 > Pictures: I'm curious if you have a fave performance, Paolo - there are so > many. Although I do enjoy the orchestral recordings, I'm partial to All I have is the "Laserlight" edition so I don't have a real favorite. :) [rest of great post deleted] Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Wed Nov 26 09:42:08 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 06:00:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xai0Y-0001Ot-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 06:00:02 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971126153200.3a8f5186@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:32:00 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: RE: Echoplex 5.0 upgrade In-Reply-To: <01BCFA68.48F46410@PCANDREW> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"XQ-WP.A.p_.poCf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1561 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 06:00:02 -0800 X-UIDL: e26a343536a7620858b529691a51049c >>I had no idea the Echoplex was a 'current' product - I assumed it was >>old and dead like the JamMan. I've never seen or heard of an Echoplex in >>England - anyone know where I should look? >As far as I can ascertain, the Echoplex has never been available in England. >Several attempts to find one have pointed me to Italy ( Milan or Rome I think ) >as the nearest source to the UK. I went as far as calling Milan, but language >differences became a problem. Oberheim say they do not ship direct to the UK. >You might try and get one direct from a dealer in the US, but watch out, the >warranty might be void in Europe. The problem is that Oberheim can't be bothered getting CE certification. It is a disgrace that they aren't concerned with our safety in this way! All European companies have to meet this standard, so there can be no excuse for the lax behaviour of our American cousins! Guys, sort yourselves _out_!!!! Michael (All the above to be taken with a great big smiley, of course....!) From ???@??? Thu Nov 27 00:45:50 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 16:55:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xasEl-00060W-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:55:23 -0800 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 19:47:48 -0500 From: R & T Cummings Subject: RE: Looping with a drummer Sender: R & T Cummings To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199711261948_MC2-29C9-32AB@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"JwjCAB.A.2CF.ROMf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1597 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:55:23 -0800 X-UIDL: 75f6d9030be17ab51b260be4abe75fa5 Well, I am an (acoustic) drummer/ percussionist who also happens to do a bit of looping/signal processing. I've found that learning to play with loops has actually helped *improved* my time. I can't stress the importance of having good monitoring! If I can't hear the loop well, there's no chance of grooving with it. It can be really frustrating otherwise. In situations where the monitoring is inadequate, I generally use headphones. Another way I've found that works is to use a drum machine as a MIDI master to sync my looper (Jamman) and any others in the group. This has the added bonus of incorporating the *non-human* machine sounds into the brew. This can sometimes be a great combination. I usually record a loops or layers onto the machine beat and then either eliminate parts of the machine beat or mute it entirely. Sometimes I simply use delay and echo effects from an overhead microphone to create polyrhthms/ cacorhythms. But this is wandering ... sorry. I don't currently have any electrodrums so I haven't any advice in that regard. There are probably other drummers on this list with ideas, suggestions, etc. (P.S: I would love to hear from any of you percussive loopists too!) Hello... any other drummonds out there?? From ???@??? Thu Nov 27 00:45:09 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 26 11:21:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xan15-0004uk-00; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:20:55 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971126204737.3ab74dbc@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:47:37 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Andy Summers concert In-Reply-To: <971126070446_1306218426@mrin43.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"J9bWI.A.ZZD.QQHf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1580 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:20:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 84aaf0f911e335134e2c7315df3e29c5 >Particularly when he veers into a more jazz direction (such as playing std's: >"Straight No Chaser"; "Footprints"; "Lonely Woman") it's painful for me to >hear - and I *am* a jazz fan. I fear As may be trying to live up to his reputation - and failing.... he is certainly an oft-quoted influence, and maybe he figured "If I'm that good, maybe I should be showing it off more." Alas, it's the simple stuff he always impressed with... >As for Andy's jazz leanings being a result of practicing, I >don't get the impression AS practices a whole lot. In fact, my impression is >that he never practices, but just coasts on what he learned (many) years ago, >which includes some jazz (resort hotel orchestra gig; Soft Machine). Ah, a man after my own heart! :) (ie bone idle....) >I couldn't see where his technique had improved even a little bit from the >Police days. I think his playing sounds like he's more confident now than he used to be. I always liked (as I said) the way he sounded as if the light was on him and he's had a panic attack, sending his timing to pieces (eg Dreaming on XYZ). Ditto early Steve Howe. >with The Cops, his technical skills aren't impressive enough to hold my >interest, Mi-OW! > And I'm not saying that 'cos I'm a Klein person - I have a particular fondness >for 335's as well. Not _another_ Klein player!! Where did all these wealthy guitarists come from??? Michael From ???@??? Thu Nov 27 14:05:03 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 27 05:45:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xb4Fh-0003dh-00; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 05:45:09 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971127151352.3a67269c@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 15:13:52 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Echoplex 6.0 upgrade (custom) In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.16.19971126153200.3a8f5186@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> <01BCFA68.48F46410@PCANDREW> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ectGZC.A.wCD.XdXf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1598 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 05:45:09 -0800 X-UIDL: ce99bcbf3966949f89af3bd6ba4f15ff >>The problem is that Oberheim can't be bothered getting CE certification. >>It is a disgrace that they aren't concerned with our safety in this way! >Aren't you the same continent that thinks it's a good idea to run 220V all >around the house? Well, that's just a macho "ours is bigger than yours" thing. The UK actually runs 240V... >I think I'm going to customize a "special" echoplex just for you Michael. >Make sure you're standing barefoot in a puddle when you press the "mute" >button.... :-) Hahahahaha! Ah, the Premanent Lifetime Mute Button? "Well officer, he hit this and hasn't said much since... what's left of him..." Michael PS further to our recent discussions on CE, I have now seen a CE sticker on the back of a Jackson. Which is funny, as Jacksons have often been the source of loads of irritating noise... From ???@??? Thu Nov 27 14:05:04 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 27 05:50:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xb4LB-00042W-00; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 05:50:49 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971127152337.1a2f2ba2@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 15:23:37 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: New Oberheim Plug In-Reply-To: <97Nov26.155043cst.26888@gateway.gibson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"zhyVxB.A.4eD.umXf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1599 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 05:50:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 999b9b637b494286cbb00c8cea7820f0 >I'll refer you to the "review" on our web page at www.oberheim.com. Who wrote this review? Is it.... objective? >Personally, I think the GM1000 processing power and architecture is great, even unique, >but the presets are (no offense) the Italian idea of Modern Guitar sounds - heavy on >the "Steve Catheter" Toto Tones. Why do Americans hate Steve Lukather so much??? What's the problem? >In the meantime, demand that your local Favorite Music Retailer stock one, check it out >and let me know what you think of it. The GM400 is a single-rack, scaled-down version >that does less of the same. There's a big 2U Viscount processor that's been around a little while - is this it? Are there plans to OB-ise the 1/2-rack processor Viscount sell over here? Michael From ???@??? Thu Nov 27 22:59:13 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 27 20:55:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xbISZ-0001BX-00; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 20:55:23 -0800 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:51:36 -0500 (EST) From: Marzzz@aol.com Message-ID: <971127235135_1739442312@mrin46.mail.aol.com> To: jprice@intcpi.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Fripp tour? Resent-Message-ID: <"njT-DC.A.05.V4kf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1602 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 20:55:23 -0800 X-UIDL: a903f0bb339a3d73f844922ea26abd60 In a message dated 11/26/97 12:28:42 PM, you wrote: >Fripp is pretty light in the gear Department ( The Mobile, Globile >concept or somethn to that effect, I think ) Sure he has rack mounts and >synths embedded into his rig. But Im certain he could put his entire >setup into the back seat of a Hyandai and still have room for a >passenger to sit comfortablly along with his gear, if necessary. >Fripp just doesnt carry around all of the equipment baggage that most >world class guitarists seem to inately aspire to hording. >For goodness sakes, Fripp doesnt even play thru an amp. I remember last year in the guitar Mags Fripp was explaining his gear, and that he couldn't afford to have all his rack stuff shipped over from England. It sounds to me like he tours with a manageable rack (in concert last year it appeared to be a substantial 16-or 20-space rack) but has a ton of stuff at home..... From ???@??? Thu Nov 27 22:59:14 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 27 20:59:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xbIWq-0001Y9-00; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 20:59:48 -0800 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:55:37 -0500 (EST) From: Marzzz@aol.com Message-ID: <971127235537_1437432963@mrin53.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk Subject: Re: Re: Andy Summers concert Resent-Message-ID: <"Xf1bXB.A.8MB.I8kf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1603 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 20:59:48 -0800 X-UIDL: b61fb2664594a16a66e1fe6e4f83dfc7 In a message dated 11/26/97 10:40:16 PM, you wrote: >> And I'm not saying that 'cos I'm a Klein person - I have a particular >fondness >for 335's as well. > >Not _another_ Klein player!! Where did all these wealthy guitarists come >from??? We're not wealthy, once you play one it ruins you for everything else. We beg, borrow, and steal! If you're interested I'm sure Lorenzo at Klein can set you up with one, or refer you to a used on that become available at rare intervals..... Marshall (back to lurking) From ???@??? Thu Nov 27 22:59:12 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 27 20:43:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xbIGb-0000Qq-00; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 20:43:01 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <347BBE04.268E@earthlink.net> <347BB282.59E9@bway.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:41:21 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Echoplex 5.0 upgrade Resent-Message-ID: <"-z-XYD.A.WSH.rqkf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1600 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 20:43:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 13894d2136ff23fe61f0278bf57e6e93 >I am having great success with the new software upgrade! I like the fact >that (when brother or midi syncing) if you screw up a loop and erase it, >you don't have to wait for the downbeat to come along before you can record >another. Yep, and we are going to do this for the synced Record, too. Matthias From ???@??? Thu Nov 27 22:59:13 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 27 20:43:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xbIGh-0000RQ-00; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 20:43:07 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711261921.LAA08693@gw1.bi-tech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:41:21 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Looper CD update / Offer for rare CDs Resent-Message-ID: <"r5PkJD.A.fTH.xqkf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1601 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 20:43:07 -0800 X-UIDL: cd1288249c361413870196f24e795bf6 Great! Matt in action! >Well it looks like the current CD project will remain in the hands of Ray >Peck. He seemed reluctant to turn over the DATs to me and I don't feel >like I'm in a position to demand them back. He gave me no indication as to >when the project will be completed...only that he needs to either a) find >someone to transfer the DATs to CD-R so he can compile the tracks or b) >wait for Event Electronics to ship their Layla soundcard so he can do the >transfer. > >I offered to compile the DATs using ProTools and then dump everything to a >master DAT. Since I don't have the capability to burn CD-Rs, and given the >fact that Mr. Peck wants to edit the Looper CD, I can't be of any further >help. Since its almost a year now, some people might have better material by now and send them in as a CD? I made some effort then to do so. (Now I have my own cheap burner and must say it is very very handy!) Today (!) I started to sell a limited series of 50CDs, home made, with "perfect" lable and cover, numbered and signed, of a '95 recording ("Musica AguArianA para pensar-se"). I had a gig at night and sold the first and the guy did not mind to pay 25$. Should I ask more? (I mean: $ for the CD :-) After a really ripe slice of pinapple: I could do that with all my old recordings. They are good and clean, but never will turn into a ordinary CD (because I am preparing to record the "real" one). The mix is done live, so it might not be all that perfect. But all "error" parts are cut out, usually inaudibly. There are duos with all kinds of instruments... Anyone interested? These documents about the developpment of the first dedicated looping device might have a tremendous value in a few years... :-) Matthias From ???@??? Fri Nov 28 01:28:37 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 27 23:24:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xbKmh-0006ML-00; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:24:19 -0800 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:18:49 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: Looper CD update / Offer for rare CDs Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199711280219_MC2-29F2-E6BA@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"3qAPJ.A.muF.tCnf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1604 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:24:19 -0800 X-UIDL: 3d8dc4ac948ec49b923cc6f7d865cbb6 >Since its almost a year now, >some people might have better material by now >and send them in as a CD? That's right, I think I have better material now, which I'd like to see on a new CD (but I'd like to see the first CD as well). >Today (!) I started to sell a limited series of 50CDs, home made, with >"perfect" lable and cover, numbered and signed, of a '95 recording >("Musica AguArianA para pensar-se"). >Anyone interested? Yes, I'd love to have one. In fact, my plans are very similar - I think I'll be able to come up with a limited CD edition of my recent looping improvisations in spring ... and several other people on this list have their CDs ... Maybe we could set up some kind of small central marketplace for our own music (the official Looper's Delight CD, as well as our private efforts) on the looper's delight website? Complete with descriptions, cover image, a realaudio sample, bank account number, and email address? Would that make sense, and is there enough disk space for that Kim? ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Fri Nov 28 01:28:39 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 28 00:27:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xbLm2-0000e4-00; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 00:27:42 -0800 Posted-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:24:33 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19971128082354.0067b4bc@visi.com> X-Sender: spat@visi.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:23:54 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: spat@visi.com Subject: RE: Looping with a drummer Resent-Message-ID: <"H7P4iC.A._Y.H_nf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1605 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 00:27:42 -0800 X-UIDL: d944a8beb0fbea36d6a8531efee98843 I'm not a drummer, nor do I play one on tv, but for recording purposes I use a homebrew set of drum triggers with a drum machine as a sound module, coupled with a mic'ed snare drum. The snare lets me put in lots of rolls, rimshots, and other brufordisms not possible to convincingly program on a drum machine. Sometimes I will get a loop/groove going by playing a few bars of drums, but generally I find I can get the groove to swing more if I start the loop with bass or piano, and layer the drums on top of that. This lets me practice my drumming skills and jam a bit before committing the drums to the jamman. The hardest thing about playing drums to me is keeping the timing steady, but with the jamman I only gotta be tight for a few bars and let it loop away. I keep it real simple so I have room to embellish later as the loop progresses and builds. Before adding more percussion to the loop, I change the reverb program on the drums to add different layers of depth. Or, if in a slighty mischievious or naughty mood, well gosh, I dial in one of those crazy vortex patches, all good clean fun. No "butt-looping", this. Right now in my looping, I am very much feeling the need to take that next step, namely aquiring a method of storing and editing the loops into a coherent form of sorts. Others on the list are in the same quandary, so c'mon you more experienced loop-types you, share your methods with the list. steve From ???@??? Fri Nov 28 02:32:45 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 28 02:04:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xbNHi-0003sJ-00; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:04:30 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711280219_MC2-29F2-E6BA@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 01:56:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Looper CD update / Offer for rare CDs Resent-Message-ID: <"0QH2q.A.hbD.wZpf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1607 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:04:30 -0800 X-UIDL: a9c0ff0431a1c7bbad23dc71da63d29e At 2:18 AM -0500 11/28/97, Michael Peters wrote: >Maybe we could set up some kind of small central marketplace for our own >music (the official Looper's Delight CD, as well as our private efforts) on >the looper's delight website? Complete with descriptions, cover image, a >realaudio sample, bank account number, and email address? Would that make >sense, and is there enough disk space for that Kim? yeah sure, go ahead. We can always buy more disk space. Right now there is about 10MB available, which should be plenty for this. I was thinking actually, if any of these official Looper's Delight cd's make any money it might be nice to skim a little of the proceeds to help pay for Looper's Delight's existence. Now I know this may come as a shock, but LD actually doesn't exist for free. It would be great if it could gradually become self-sufficient. My wallet would definitely be appreciative! I was also thinking it would be cool to get our own domain name, now that things are getting bigger. Stuff like that costs more money of course, so I've put it off. But if we could figure out ways for the whole thing to bring in a little trickle of income, it would work. The cd thing would be a nice way. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Nov 28 02:36:36 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 28 02:37:06 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xbNnE-00055p-00; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:37:04 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19971128111549.09dfb9f2@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> References: <971127235537_1437432963@mrin53.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:30:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Andy Summers concert (Gear talk! No loops!) Resent-Message-ID: <"jmkfOD.A.KlE.E4pf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1609 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:37:04 -0800 X-UIDL: 3de6f6804069e7b7dbe38ba1dce43452 At 11:15 AM -0800 11/28/97, Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D. wrote: >>>> And I'm not saying that 'cos I'm a Klein person - I have a particular >>>> fondness for 335's as well. >>>Not _another_ Klein player!! Where did all these wealthy guitarists come >>>from??? >>We're not wealthy, once you play one it ruins you for everything else. We >>beg, borrow, and steal! yes, be extremely careful before you come in contact with a Klein guitar! Within moments you will be blissfully filling out the order form, carefully weighing the advantages of swamp ash vs maple, with dreams of trans-trems floating in your head. Somewhere, locked in a closet deep in your brain, will be a voice asking you how you expect to pay for this, but it will be totally drowned out by that gorgeous tone..... happened to me, at the frankfurt musik messe of all places, and I hardly qualify as an impulse shopper..... >>If you're interested I'm sure Lorenzo at Klein can >>set you up with one, > >Do I hear the phrase "second morgage"? These things cost $2-3000 don't they? I wish... mine was quite a bit more with all of my customizing. The translucent purple sunburst was worth every cent, though! It looks so great, I would be entirely happy if it was just a sculpture hanging on the wall. The fact that it's also an awe-inspiring guitar is quite a nice bonus. Definitely in the "gee, I guess I don't need to buy any more guitars" category. (hopefully...) of course, I cough up blood when the credit card bill arrives each month....but what the hell, you're supposed to suffer for art right? I had the same thing happen to me with the mesa triaxis. Stay away from those, too. I won't even go near the home studio areas of the music store. Way too dangerous..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Nov 28 12:26:13 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 28 07:40:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xbSX2-0001L5-00; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 07:40:40 -0800 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:46:59 -0500 (EST) From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <971128094659_949365660@mrin52.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: FS: Lex Prime Time $375 Resent-Message-ID: <"5lGwED.A.GU.nOuf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1611 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 07:40:40 -0800 X-UIDL: dd6ef85c32ec9da6aee80fcc7e1a5d1c how many seconds of delay does this puppy have? =-) PJ From ???@??? Fri Nov 28 19:34:09 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 28 19:30:06 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xbdbX-0002Kr-00; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:30:03 -0800 Message-ID: Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "Loopers" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Chris Darrow" Subject: So long lunch money! Date: Fri, 28 Nov 97 10:15:18 PST Content-Type: text/plain; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"p2Wr0B.A.uqB.gr4f0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1619 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:30:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 7ee7698a17163336c9d828e8aadb29c9 I second the second request for info on the electronics of electronic musicianship! And Matthias, yes I'm interested. I'm broke, but will find a way. (If I can't have my Plexes, why not listen to them!) So I guess e-mail me personally (adress below) and we'll get it figured out. However, I would like to know more about it, and perhaps other's on the list would too. Asuming the music can be described, even abstractly, what's it like? What sort of form? Short or long tracks? How long's the CD? How many tracks? What sort of style(s)? Instrumentation? Do you use different techniques or tricks on different tracks. What are they? etc. Oh, and of course, the G word... (G__r) Furthermore, it would really make it worth it for me if, publically or as a seperate CD insert when you send it, you jot down something personal about what it all means to you, where you come from, how you ended up doing what you're doing, etc. (You too, kim!) This stuff is not only food-for-living but directly influnces listening. I usually listen to a CD, read the insert, then listen again. Thanks. chris sound@soli.inav.net From ???@??? Fri Nov 28 12:26:22 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 28 11:03:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xbVhE-0002jz-00; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:03:24 -0800 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:59:40 -0700 (MST) From: Henry Throop To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: 'plex foot controller Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"O0ETmB.A.-SC.gSxf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1613 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:03:24 -0800 X-UIDL: e96fed70b1b325affa6d284abeade9c5 Thanks to Tom, I just ordered a brand new 'plex from Professional Music & Sound in San Diego ($525 / 1 MB). Tentatively, I also orderd the foot controller too. However, I've heard enough ramblings againt the unit that I wonder if there's another option I should look at instead; e.g., something with heavier-duty or better-feeling buttons. Any suggestions? I'm open to re-wiring or gutting something that almost fits the bill. (I happened to see that Roland sells a unit called the FC-7 with seven stompbox-style buttons that looks like it would be easy enough to wire up. Has anyone used this? I've got a lack of stores around here to actually try out equipment.) btw, Professional Sound & Music had a new JamMan listed for $340 on their clearance page, www.prosound.com / (619) 583-7851. Someone will get this, I'm sure. -henry throop@colorado.edu From ???@??? Fri Nov 28 02:00:09 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 28 01:41:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xbMvQ-0002zY-00; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 01:41:28 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971128111549.09dfb9f2@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:15:49 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Andy Summers concert (Gear talk! No loops!) In-Reply-To: <971127235537_1437432963@mrin53.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"lwFb1D.A.BnC.LEpf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1606 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 01:41:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 4921b535c52e408ad724bdd1c75baefe >>> And I'm not saying that 'cos I'm a Klein person - I have a particular >>> fondness for 335's as well. >>Not _another_ Klein player!! Where did all these wealthy guitarists come >>from??? >We're not wealthy, once you play one it ruins you for everything else. We >beg, borrow, and steal! If you're interested I'm sure Lorenzo at Klein can >set you up with one, Do I hear the phrase "second morgage"? These things cost $2-3000 don't they? >or refer you to a used on that become available at rare >intervals..... Errr.... do they sell them on interest-free credit? :) Michael From ???@??? Fri Nov 28 12:26:24 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 28 11:12:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xbVpq-0003NQ-00; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:12:18 -0800 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:21:58 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <971128094659_949365660@mrin52.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: FS: Lex Prime Time $375 Resent-Message-ID: <"YOXTMB.A._2C.4axf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1614 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:12:18 -0800 X-UIDL: d8c5c8006e419a7227c37026cb9a89db >how many seconds of delay does this puppy have? =-) PJ There were two models. The first one had only 2 seconds of delay time. Then the unit was upgraded to 8 seconds. I'm not sure how to tell the difference between the two units, without trying it out. I think they might have called the upgraded version Prime Time II. ANyone have any more info on this? From ???@??? Fri Nov 28 02:32:49 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 28 02:23:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xbNZo-0004a3-00; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:23:12 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971128115658.24f74a70@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:56:58 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: Looper CD update / Offer for rare CDs In-Reply-To: References: <199711261921.LAA08693@gw1.bi-tech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"YoqVvC.A.QFE.3qpf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1608 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:23:12 -0800 X-UIDL: 8c886f2376c4233d079a48d433cdc4e4 >>I offered to compile the DATs using ProTools and then dump everything to a >>master DAT. Since I don't have the capability to burn CD-Rs, and given the >>fact that Mr. Peck wants to edit the Looper CD, I can't be of any further >>help. CDR aside, CD printing currently runs at about 700UK for 500 CDs. I imagine it's probably cheaper in the US (maybe $750/500 CDs?) That way, 10 contributors could contribute $75 and get 50 copies. This assumes 7 minutes per contributor, on average. >Since its almost a year now, some people might have better material by now >and send them in as a CD? I made some effort then to do so. >(Now I have my own cheap burner and must say it is very very handy!) > >Today (!) I started to sell a limited series of 50CDs, home made, with >"perfect" lable and cover, numbered and signed, of a '95 recording >("Musica AguArianA para pensar-se"). Buy this recording, people. Trust me. I may buy one myself - I've nearly worn my tape copy out! BTW Matthias, wouldn't pensar-se and viajar both fit on one CD? >I had a gig at night and sold the >first and the guy did not mind to pay 25$. Should I ask more? (I mean: $ >for the CD :-) Well, it's better selling at $25 to someone who's happy to pay it than at $30 to someone who finds it too expensive. >I could do that with all my old recordings. They are good and clean, but >never will turn into a ordinary CD (because I am preparing to record the >"real" one). >The mix is done live, so it might not be all that perfect. But all "error" >parts are cut out, usually inaudibly. >There are duos with all kinds of instruments... Woah! Put me on the list for a copy NOW!!!! >Anyone interested? These documents about the developpment of the first >dedicated looping device might have a tremendous value in a few years... :-) I imagine it would be strange for everybody with EDPs, thinking "this is the music my Plex was made to make"... Michael From ???@??? Fri Nov 28 15:07:17 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 28 14:13:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xbYf6-0003fm-00; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:13:24 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:01:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: 'plex foot controller Resent-Message-ID: <"zDAiz.A.KJD.6C0f0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1615 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:13:24 -0800 X-UIDL: cdf0715be615954f710a7650da8d64c2 I've been using my footpedal for years with no problems. They are so simple in design, that there is hardly anything to go wrong. And they are quite ruggedly constructed out of sheet metal. Some people tend to stomp on them rather than tap, and since you will be using the switches a lot there is some chance that you will break them if you do that. On several occasions I've met people who literally stomp on it with cowboy boots, and then are surprised that they broke the switch after a few thousand uses. Those are usually where the "ramblings" are coming from. If you are not the sort that does that, then don't worry about it. Get the efc-7 pedal, which is all nicely labeled and ready to go, and see if you have any problem with it. Then if you really feel you need something different, building a custom pedal is fairly straightforward. The hardest part is actually finding switches that you like for tapping out delays. I tried a lot of them and actually wound up back at the red mouser switch used in the echoplex pedal. Everything else was either too stiff, or too loose, or the throw was too long, or I couldn't feel the contact point accurately. I don't have any of those problems with the efc-7 pedal. And if you ever do stomp a switch into oblivion, remember that they only cost $.50 from Mouser and are simple to replace. kim >Thanks to Tom, I just ordered a brand new 'plex from Professional Music & >Sound in San Diego ($525 / 1 MB). > >Tentatively, I also orderd the foot controller too. However, I've heard >enough ramblings againt the unit that I wonder if there's another option I >should look at instead; e.g., something with heavier-duty or >better-feeling buttons. Any suggestions? I'm open to re-wiring or >gutting something that almost fits the bill. > >(I happened to see that Roland sells a unit called the FC-7 with seven >stompbox-style buttons that looks like it would be easy enough to wire up. >Has anyone used this? I've got a lack of stores around here to actually >try out equipment.) > >btw, Professional Sound & Music had a new JamMan listed for $340 on their >clearance page, www.prosound.com / (619) 583-7851. Someone will get this, >I'm sure. > >-henry >throop@colorado.edu ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Nov 28 15:07:20 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 28 15:00:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xbZOX-0005gb-00; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 15:00:21 -0800 From: "Bailey, Jim" To: looppost Subject: WOW, my first Jamthing sighting! Date:Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:00:00 -0500 Message-ID: <347F4C92@199.71.37.25> Encoding: 9 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"sXkiwB.A.TBF.7v0f0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1616 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 15:00:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 92ce85bce6a36648a9ea44b3e4507e05 I have finally seen my first Jamentity in the wild. Part of a free-improv trio, the guitarist (a guy named Justin Haynes) had one connected to an Alesis Quadraverb (I think), and a bunch of FX pedals. Some good stuff, and very unusual loops including reverse signals. I hope to have him on my radio show soon, so may have more info on him then (he ain't got access to this web thingy). Jim Bailey From ???@??? Fri Nov 28 19:33:55 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 28 15:26:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xbZna-0007H7-00; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 15:26:14 -0800 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:20:50 -0500 (EST) From: Drumworker@aol.com Message-ID: <971128182050_833387847@mrin53.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Roland RE 800 - Anyone know this unit? Resent-Message-ID: <"7nTxzB.A.JhG.NI1f0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1618 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 15:26:14 -0800 X-UIDL: a1ea97b1327ce76b9aa1fbd3f87bc220 Everyone, I've seen a Roland RE 800 Digital Delay for sale and I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about it? The store doesn't have the manual and the only way to really try the thing is to buy it. Any info about how good/useful this unit is would be appreciated. Many Thanks, Paul O. "Drumworker@aol.com" From ???@??? Fri Nov 28 12:26:18 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 28 09:05:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xbTrR-0005YB-00; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:05:49 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971128183732.0a473bbc@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:37:32 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: C'mon guys... In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.16.19971128111549.09dfb9f2@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> <971127235537_1437432963@mrin53.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"UHJpQB.A.V4E.Uivf0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1612 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:05:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 2e72981b9bb9d1503cda7436f751e1e2 Hi everybody, This is a second call for anybody remotely connected to the music electronics business - Tom, Greg, Bob, Kim, Matthias, Jon etc to send me something about their experiences in said trade. Good news, bad news, _anything_ for my Electronics with Music undergrads. My meeting with them is on Monday, so I'd _really_ appreciate some of you guys sending me some stuff today (or over the next couple of days). Just a couple of lines! This is in no way to neglect the wonderful reply that Motley sent (thanks Motley!) - but the more the merrier! Thanks, Michael From ???@??? Fri Nov 28 20:50:47 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 28 20:33:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xbeaa-0005XN-00; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:33:08 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19971129004506.27771e56@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> References: <3.0.1.16.19971128111549.09dfb9f2@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> <971127235537_1437432963@mrin53.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:27:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Gear talk! No loops! (If Kim can do it...) Resent-Message-ID: <"OxDEpB.A.A7E.Jo5f0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1620 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:33:08 -0800 X-UIDL: e3586b5dcd1d06243befb0e00d06d423 Michael said: >Kim said: > >>>Do I hear the phrase "second morgage"? These things cost $2-3000 don't >they? >> >>I wish... mine was quite a bit more with all of my customizing. The >>translucent purple sunburst was worth every cent, though! > >I can see myself explaining _that_ to my wife! "But honey, it's _purple_!" Actually, my girlfriend had creative control over that aspect of it. She's far more visually artistic than I am, and it came out great. She got a piece of scrap swamp ash from Lorenzo and painted it the way she wanted. Then Lorenzo had to go trucking all over Northern California to find someone who could duplicate it on the guitar. He found a guy who did it perfectly, and subsequently had some sort of emotional breakdown and hasn't been available for painting guitars since. (Guitar painters seem to be a rather unstable lot, must be the fumes.) So mine is quite unique. Anyway, this approach seemed to greatly ease the relationship issues of spending large quantities of cash on toys for me. Plus, Lorenzo let's my girlfriend feed the llamas when we go up there, which seems to help. Still, I'm definitely in a weakened position when it comes time to complain about excess household expenditures.... I'm not sure how you might do this with a looper. Maybe you say, "gee Honey, you could bitch at me so much more easily if you just sampled yourself and let it loop for a while. Think how much time you could save!" heh, no actually that probably wouldn't work.... >>of course, I cough up blood when the credit card bill arrives each >>month....but what the hell, you're supposed to suffer for art right? > >Hey, why don't you just send the bill back with "You have to suffer for my >art" written on it! (After all, most people suffer for mine just by >listening to it...) "well golly, Michael said it was ok...." >>I had the same thing happen to me with the mesa triaxis. Stay away from >>those, too. I won't even go near the home studio areas of the music store. >>Way too dangerous..... > >I won't, trust me. At the moment I'm desperate for their Subway Blues >"budget" combo (ie about $800 over here - must be getting that darn CE...), >and I can't afford _that_! No, that has nothing to do with CE. Mesa amps cost a fortune here, too. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Nov 28 20:50:49 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 28 20:51:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xbesM-0006Nt-00; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:51:30 -0800 Message-ID: <347F9E86.21DF@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 23:48:06 -0500 From: DENNIS PISKO Reply-To: pisko@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Gear talk! No loops! (If Kim can do it...) References: <3.0.1.16.19971128111549.09dfb9f2@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> <971127235537_1437432963@mrin53.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wbHGFD.A.qxF.m55f0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1621 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:51:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 4b5b117dd988e71dd87567b398525a63 Kim Flint wrote: > > Michael said: > >Kim said: > > > >>>Do I hear the phrase "second morgage"? These things cost $2-3000 don't > >they? > >> > >>I wish... mine was quite a bit more with all of my customizing. The > >>translucent purple sunburst was worth every cent, though! > > > >I can see myself explaining _that_ to my wife! "But honey, it's _purple_!" > > Actually, my girlfriend had creative control over that aspect of it. She's > far more visually artistic than I am, and it came out great. She got a > piece of scrap swamp ash from Lorenzo and painted it the way she wanted. > Then Lorenzo had to go trucking all over Northern California to find > someone who could duplicate it on the guitar. He found a guy who did it > perfectly, and subsequently had some sort of emotional breakdown and hasn't > been available for painting guitars since. (Guitar painters seem to be a > rather unstable lot, must be the fumes.) So mine is quite unique. > > Anyway, this approach seemed to greatly ease the relationship issues of > spending large quantities of cash on toys for me. Plus, Lorenzo let's my > girlfriend feed the llamas when we go up there, which seems to help. Still, > I'm definitely in a weakened position when it comes time to complain about > excess household expenditures.... > > I'm not sure how you might do this with a looper. Maybe you say, "gee > Honey, you could bitch at me so much more easily if you just sampled > yourself and let it loop for a while. Think how much time you could save!" > heh, no actually that probably wouldn't work.... > > >>of course, I cough up blood when the credit card bill arrives each > >>month....but what the hell, you're supposed to suffer for art right? > > > >Hey, why don't you just send the bill back with "You have to suffer for my > >art" written on it! (After all, most people suffer for mine just by > >listening to it...) > > "well golly, Michael said it was ok...." > > >>I had the same thing happen to me with the mesa triaxis. Stay away from > >>those, too. I won't even go near the home studio areas of the music store. > >>Way too dangerous..... > > > >I won't, trust me. At the moment I'm desperate for their Subway Blues > >"budget" combo (ie about $800 over here - must be getting that darn CE...), > >and I can't afford _that_! > > No, that has nothing to do with CE. Mesa amps cost a fortune here, too. > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com I like the klien sound I have heard. I live in ct. Does anyone have any suggestions about how I could sit down and play one? From ???@??? Fri Nov 28 19:33:53 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 28 15:11:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xbZZk-0006P0-00; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 15:11:56 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971129004506.27771e56@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 00:45:06 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Gear talk! No loops! (If Kim can do it...) In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.16.19971128111549.09dfb9f2@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> <971127235537_1437432963@mrin53.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"xNcmE.A.1sF.w60f0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1617 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 15:11:56 -0800 X-UIDL: e52d5375c054c2bef9921b3bb4dfcb81 Kim said: >>Do I hear the phrase "second morgage"? These things cost $2-3000 don't they? > >I wish... mine was quite a bit more with all of my customizing. The >translucent purple sunburst was worth every cent, though! I can see myself explaining _that_ to my wife! "But honey, it's _purple_!" > Definitely in the "gee, I guess I don't need to buy any more >guitars" category. (hopefully...) I said that 9 months after I started playing guitar, when my Squier was superceded by my Levinson Blade R4 - about $1000 in 1989. I bought it with my first month's wages ever - left me with $100 to live on for the month... Over 8 years later I still have that guitar, and haven't bought another. That would involve selling the Blade - somehow I've never managed to name her. Not that I haven't been tempted to trade - on a weekly basis - but something just stops me inside. It says "you'll never get her back". >of course, I cough up blood when the credit card bill arrives each >month....but what the hell, you're supposed to suffer for art right? Hey, why don't you just send the bill back with "You have to suffer for my art" written on it! (After all, most people suffer for mine just by listening to it...) >I had the same thing happen to me with the mesa triaxis. Stay away from >those, too. I won't even go near the home studio areas of the music store. >Way too dangerous..... I won't, trust me. At the moment I'm desperate for their Subway Blues "budget" combo (ie about $800 over here - must be getting that darn CE...), and I can't afford _that_! Michael From ???@??? Sat Nov 29 04:35:57 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 29 02:38:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xbkHy-0007L3-00; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 02:38:18 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971129123736.006a02fc@mail.dlc.fi> X-Sender: boppo@mail.dlc.fi X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 12:37:36 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Bopster Subject: Re: Top 40 loops Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"tI31_C.A.GuG.U_-f0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1622 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 02:38:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 7ed844907e9846d685f7b105eda4afe2 Hlo loopers, This comes perhaps a bit late, but one top 40 group which is quite fond of loops is "Garbage". Perhaps best classified as decadent, dirty, pop songs for the slightly crooked. Another pop/rock group which has been looping since 1993 is U2. And of course drum loops are very commmon in the drum/bass genre (check out Bowie's earthling album). Enjoy your day, Bopster From ???@??? Sat Nov 29 14:53:04 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 29 08:09:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xbpSM-0003D0-00; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 08:09:22 -0800 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 11:04:24 -0500 (EST) From: Marzzz@aol.com Message-ID: <971129110423_-1775071356@mrin44.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, pisko@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Klein talk! No loops! (If Kim can do it...) Resent-Message-ID: <"uI_xU.A.GyC.I1Dg0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1623 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 08:09:22 -0800 X-UIDL: b3d1bec766f4f620d0d42c32296939e2 In a message dated 11/28/97 11:56:46 PM, pisko wrote: >I like the klien sound I have heard. I live in ct. Does anyone have any >suggestions about how I could sit down and play one? Call Lorenzo German of Klein Electric Guitars at 707-938-4189. He can do one of two things for you: 1) Refer you to a guitarist with a Klein guitar in your area who is willing to let you check out their guitar (e.g., in the Chicago area, you would come see me) or- 2) Send you a demo guitar in exchange for a refundable deposit ($3000 last time I checked) and you would have a week or two to play and evaluate it. I did this option and got to play the Klein in my home with my amp for two weeks, and fell in love with the guitar. The funny thing was, the first couple of times I played it I though it was nice but not spectacular, but then all the little subtleties started revealing themselves- I was playing better with ease, the tone became addictive, etc. etc. When I got my Klein several months later, it was even better! Mine is a translucent ruby red swamp ash with subtle burst, solid rosewood neck, Barden pickups, and S-Trem. Like Kim, I could just stare at this guitar and be happy, but when I play it......!!!!! btw- I have a Steinberger guitar for sale, excellent condition for a good price.... Marshall From ???@??? Sat Nov 29 14:53:04 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 29 08:14:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xbpXA-0003ZL-00; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 08:14:20 -0800 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 11:09:52 -0500 (EST) From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <971129110952_-2141232430@mrin45.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Klein talk! No loops! (If Kim can do it...) Resent-Message-ID: <"rcVVPC.A.iGD.O6Dg0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1624 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 08:14:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 350de68e8c72b088922b9bb95483e00d just don't drop it if you get a loaner!! =-) PJ From ???@??? Sat Nov 29 14:53:20 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 29 10:04:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xbrFb-00070d-00; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 10:04:19 -0800 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 12:59:30 -0500 (EST) From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: <971129125930_1340255402@mrin86.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looper CD update Resent-Message-ID: <"bliB8D.A.QXG.-gFg0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1625 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 10:04:19 -0800 X-UIDL: d3576b41696a2cea8e964ed399c07336 No problem, thanks for the update. Let's move on and start the second CD project as was suggested by Kim. I have some acoustic guitar work that I would like to submit for approval. Excellent idea keeping a cd project alive on a continuous basis. I don't have a lot to offer digitally, but I do have analog equipment for mix downs and final tape submissions (archaic, but effective). Let me know. Here's another idea, CDs by music genre! As mentioned earlier, I'm a real acoutic guitar fan and could see an entire cd made of acoutic guitar loopers. Just a thought, Thanks!!!!!! From ???@??? Sat Nov 29 14:53:21 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 29 10:21:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xbrWA-0007lF-00; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 10:21:26 -0800 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 13:16:45 -0500 (EST) From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: <971129131645_344730613@mrin83.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looper CD update / Offer for rare CDs Resent-Message-ID: <"q5ij9D.A.jCH.JxFg0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1626 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 10:21:26 -0800 X-UIDL: f6533c605bcd7b668c3df0bd78974087 I'm very interested in this project. Now in setting up your suggestions on the net, I have been doing some investigative work on credit card orders via the net etc., as well as studying java etc. etc. A simple web page is no problem, but adding the commercial end of it will take some dinero to get it started. In fact, there seems to be a lot of plug and play apps that would allow website visitors to put stuff into their shoping cart, credit card validators and even the concept of a 1-900 number which could offer other services that would be automatically charged to a customer's phone account. Just wondering if there are any expert webmasters out there that have set up the total thing? Send a reply and tell us where your site is located. P.S. There are other issues as well of which a CPA or Lawyer looper could advise, such as tax numbers and incorportation etc. etc. Not to push, but this will need to be done if money exchanges hands. You know, Uncle Sam = bad dude. Food for thought. Any CPA or Lawyer loopers out there that know this stuff? There will need to be project manager as well who sets up timelines and deliverables as well. This person would be the cheif overseer and whip-meister. Perhaps the first project died because there was no skin in the game. What if there was an up front charge of $50 - $100 for music submissions? Or an initial group of investors to get it off the ground. Say a $50 buy-in of which the first two or three CDs are mailed to you free. At this point, we would need a marketer, someone who is a business major and knows how to market stuff. Then there's the technicians who collect and edit tapes etc. etc. The could be spread all around the country, with the details predefined as to what the job requirements are, for example: Tape collectors who listen to tapes and convert say, just one song to digital format on their PCs and submit them to the DAT facility, that way the conversion efforts are not all on one shoulder. Anyway enough is enough, Think about it, I am sure we have something here and it will become a big thing. From ???@??? Sat Nov 29 14:53:22 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 29 10:25:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xbraH-0000MA-00; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 10:25:41 -0800 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 13:21:16 -0500 (EST) From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: <971129132116_-187573514@mrin83.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looper CD update / Offer for rare CDs Resent-Message-ID: <"PflNvD.A.dD.b1Fg0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1627 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 10:25:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 67f300b209ca28aa03e4ab24e9ea393f Absolutely the right direction. I would be willing to help register a domain name, I think it's about $100 and would donate half to the effort. As far as disk space for a sample page, I think there are enough free sites or low cost providers that we can get 20 meg for $20/month. Why don't you set up a list of expenses and publish them to see what the reply would bring. Go for it!!!!!! From ???@??? Sat Nov 29 14:53:25 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 29 13:33:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xbuVf-0000PN-00; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 13:33:07 -0800 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 16:27:19 -0500 (EST) From: KingsleyD@aol.com Message-ID: <971129162719_-1638125015@mrin51.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Kleins (OLC) Resent-Message-ID: <"auI6DB.A.0G.0jIg0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1628 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 13:33:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 3bd0c14abd2a197de708728b3d5debf3 >Not _another_ Klein player!! Where did all these wealthy guitarists come >from??? Hmmm... in (fellow looper & Kleinholder) Jon's & my case, from the same family! As for acquiring the Klein, I sold some other guitars (a Les Paul & an ES-175) and worked at the Klein booth at summer NAMM to raise the cash. It took the better part of four years from when I decided I wanted one to when I finally got one - a custom-made one, that is; I've had an older one, which I found lying around Washington Music Ctr, for a few years. As for Jon, he's done some work for KEG himself, and part of his paycheck was in the form of a gtr. (Or part of his gtr was in the form of a paycheck; I'm not really sure how much cash changed hands & in which direction) In any case, I'd say enterprising, rather than wealthy, would be the proper epithet. My guitar may be cool but my rack is pretty impoverished. (only *one* jamman, sob, sob...) I will say that, as with Kim, Marshall, and other Klein owners, my GAS is pretty much in remission, the American Standard Strat I recently purchased notwithstanding. (it's a toy) My advice is to figure out a way to come up with the cash or the credit. It's one fantastic instrument. Kim, I didn't know yours was *purple*. I'm jealous! Lorenzo talked me out of purple and into red, or "pomegranate" to use LG's term. Off to see Andy Summers again tonight! After my near-slanderous post, I went & bought the new CD anyway. I *really* enjoy it. AS must have had an off night. I guess we'll see. --Kingsley From ???@??? Sun Nov 30 03:57:16 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 30 02:07:06 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xc6HJ-0001B1-00; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 02:07:05 -0800 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 05:00:57 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: Looper CD update / Offer for rare CDs Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199711300501_MC2-2A1D-6F26@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"WSvTt.A.03.tmTg0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1629 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 02:07:05 -0800 X-UIDL: 4d602be101be14d39435f5876594c431 hi ANET, >there seems to be a lot of plug and play apps that would allow website >visitors to put stuff into their shoping cart, credit card validators >and even the concept of a 1-900 number which could offer other services >that would be automatically charged to a customer's phone account. >Just wondering if there are any expert webmasters out there that have set up >the total thing? Send a reply and tell us where your site is located. I'm currently working (in my day job) on an e-commerce application (SQLServer/Livewire) which is almost finished and contains hierarchical catalogues, shopping cart functions, email order - but not the credit card stuff (yet) (the customers we have so far don't want/need that). Anyway, don't you think this goes a little too far at this point? We don't even have the CD yet, and once we have it, I doubt that we could sell more than a couple dozen (unless a record company gets interested and puts marketing dollars into it). Maybe I'm wrong ... What I had in mind was just an easier way to find out about other looper's CDROM projects - a simple online catalogue like the Discipline label website, containing information about, for example, Matthias Grob's CDROM. This could be done without too much effort, and wouldn't need credit card validation and lawyers. >I would be willing to help register a domain name, >I think it's about $100 It's about $100 *each year*. Correct me if I'm wrong. (I'm in Germany where prices might be different.) ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Sun Nov 30 13:16:02 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 30 04:47:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xc8mq-0004JM-00; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 04:47:48 -0800 Message-Id: <24633.199711301243@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 12:43:21 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD) Subject: Re: Looper CD update / Offer for rare CDs Resent-Message-ID: <"KUTQhC.A.W3D.s-Vg0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1630 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 04:47:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 3e0513487940d313df38fb27a8f8d245 >Absolutely the right direction. I would be willing to help register a domain >name, I think it's about $100 and would donate half to the effort. I thought it was much cheaper than that - there are often banners on search pages advertising "yourname.com" services for $40/year I think. Michael From ???@??? Sun Nov 30 13:16:03 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 30 05:02:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xc90j-0004nW-00; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 05:02:09 -0800 Message-Id: <24964.199711301258@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 12:58:04 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD) Subject: Re: Gear talk! No loops! (If Kim can do it...) Resent-Message-ID: <"U4sBWD.A.eUE.eMWg0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1631 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 05:02:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 2cbad36e55f63af489260acfa45014e0 Kim said: >Michael said: >>I can see myself explaining _that_ to my wife! "But honey, it's _purple_!" >Actually, my girlfriend had creative control over that aspect of it. She's >far more visually artistic than I am, and it came out great. I would do this, except I know the resulting product would be solid pink. My wife recently found a pink Japanese 62 reissue Strat in a mail order catalog. "If we got that I might actually learn to play guitar." I pointed out that the Blade R4 was the same shape of instrument, and far superior in every other respect. "But it's not pink...." >Then Lorenzo had to go trucking all over Northern California to find >someone who could duplicate it on the guitar. He found a guy who did it >perfectly, and subsequently had some sort of emotional breakdown and hasn't >been available for painting guitars since. Do you realise that, if it's sooo difficult to reproduce, you may have been responsible for his breakdown?? >I'm not sure how you might do this with a looper. Maybe you say, "gee >Honey, you could bitch at me so much more easily if you just sampled >yourself and let it loop for a while. Think how much time you could save!" >heh, no actually that probably wouldn't work.... Wait, I have an idea! Wait till 3am, record a loop of "let's sell the car and buy a Klein" and run it, ever so quietly, by the bed for a few hours. Now _that_ would be occult looping!!! :) >>Hey, why don't you just send the bill back with "You have to suffer for my >>art" written on it! (After all, most people suffer for mine just by >>listening to it...) >"well golly, Michael said it was ok...." ..OK, that depends if it's Visa or MC.... >>I won't, trust me. At the moment I'm desperate for their Subway Blues >>"budget" combo (ie about $800 over here - must be getting that darn CE...), >>and I can't afford _that_! >No, that has nothing to do with CE. Mesa amps cost a fortune here, too. Yes, tho' I think the Subway Blues retails over there for about half that. No that's not due to CE, it's import duty and shipping which has always made US product expensive over here (and UK product like Marshall more expensive over there). The funniest part is when UK-made Celestion speakers get put in American amps (incurring shipping and tax) before being shipped to the Uk (incurring more shipping and tax).... no-one seems to just import unloaded cabs! From ???@??? Sun Nov 30 13:16:06 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 30 07:38:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcBRZ-0001yz-00; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 07:38:01 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971130073028.006bd17c@mail.nwlink.com> X-Sender: jt@mail.nwlink.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 07:30:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: JT Subject: RE: Looper CD update / Offer for rare CDs In-Reply-To: <199711300501_MC2-2A1D-6F26@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"_6nBh.A.mqB.KeYg0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1632 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 07:38:01 -0800 X-UIDL: e786b5a720be6c81dab0d7f754d225a1 Michael PETERS wrote: >It's about $100 *each year*. Correct me if I'm wrong. (I'm in Germany where >prices might be different.) Internic registration in the US is $50/yr, but you have to pay the first two years in advance ($100). After the first two, you can pay year to year. Michael PYCRAFT wrote: >I thought it was much cheaper than that - there are often banners on search >pages advertising "yourname.com" services for $40/year I think. That is for the actual hosting service after the internic registration. And $40/yr. is cheap enough that I would probably avoid it. It sounds too good to be true. JT From ???@??? Sun Nov 30 13:16:09 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 30 09:21:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcD3C-0005YU-00; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 09:20:58 -0800 Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Domain Name/Server Charges Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 09:14:47 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcfdb3$75be2460$5923dacf@75014556> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"-JmPxD.A.H9E.L-Zg0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1633 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 09:20:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 5c76cbe8f4a8734225674029667d8e99 I've been doing some investigation on this for my own purposes. First off by my own experiences domain registration costs $100, paid to Internic; this covers two years of registration for a site, and, in the case of you having your own server, gives you a static IP address as well. On servers, I've found a bunch named aitnet.com that offers for a start $14.95/month per server. They offer 25MB storage gratis, as well as stuff like live net broadcasting. I'm looking into this group to transplant earthlight.net until I've got my box-at-home for this purpose. What I'm doing in the meantime is staying with Primenet, while using a forwarding agent to send everything addressed to earthlight.net mail-wise to me, as well as redirect requests to that domain to my Primenet locale. Stephen Goodman * Download The Loop Of The Week and more! EarthLight Studios * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios *--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From ???@??? Sun Nov 30 15:00:44 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 30 13:42:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcH7x-0007Wm-00; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 13:42:09 -0800 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 16:35:26 -0500 (EST) From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: <971130163526_1483909939@mrin38> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looper CD update / Offer for rare CDs Resent-Message-ID: <"3lmhwC.A.DwG.bxdg0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1634 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 13:42:09 -0800 X-UIDL: d00440dd5bd45232fb378d95528f1f6e Yes, thanks for checking me, I got a little excited about the concept, but hey if I weren't a dreamer, I probably would not be a musician. Someone else had posted the idea of a group of people contributing to say a initial 500 cds or so, of which would be split among the investors to market on their own. This sounds like a very good starting point of which we could see the response and then discuss the internet marketing approach. I don't know, I just feel that looping is really a new art that has not caught on yet and the potential audience would be enormous. For example, look at the popularity of the new-age music phenomena (Yanni and others), and groups such as Manheim Steamroller etc. etc. In fact, a local radio station in Minneapolis has a Sunday "Musical Starstreams" show that is very popular. Not that these folks are loopers, but they have a corner a a certain market. As to the 2nd CD project, I am not a producer so I don't know the steps, but I would think we would need someone to collect the submissions, perhaps someone that will have a track on the cd (to keep the interest) and then 2) Decide the order of materials and do whatever engineering work necessary. I am assuming that each artist would send a fully mixed down version. Now I could see that submissions could be rejected if they don't meet certain requirements such as tape hiss, db levels etc. etc. If they were rejected, then the producer would need to decide if that artist would need to remix or wait for the next CD etc. etc. However, prior to the final stuff being sent to production, there would be a formal review or selections and a check off of general content and each artist's final approval. From there, it's off to the presses. As far as economics, I see 1)Kim needing something, 2) The producer needing something and then 3) The artists being delivered the final product of which they market and report back to the group the success of the sales. etc. etc. From there, who knows? Thinking out loud again. Any dates in mind? Thanks; John Peters From ???@??? Sun Nov 30 16:56:49 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 30 15:06:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcIRd-0003HS-00; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 15:06:33 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971130073028.006bd17c@mail.nwlink.com> References: <199711300501_MC2-2A1D-6F26@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 13:56:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: domain name stuff Resent-Message-ID: <"XozlTC.A.nzC.eBfg0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1635 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 15:06:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 18f75dd01e51d8963ad76433498369d3 At 7:30 AM -0800 11/30/97, JT wrote: >Michael PETERS wrote: >>It's about $100 *each year*. Correct me if I'm wrong. (I'm in Germany where >>prices might be different.) > >Internic registration in the US is $50/yr, but you have to pay the first >two years in advance ($100). After the first two, you can pay year to year. that's right. >Michael PYCRAFT wrote: >>I thought it was much cheaper than that - there are often banners on search >>pages advertising "yourname.com" services for $40/year I think. > >That is for the actual hosting service after the internic registration. >And $40/yr. is cheap enough that I would probably avoid it. It sounds too >good to be true. > >JT There's usually a good reason why it's that cheap. Probably they make most of their income of advertising and selling addressess to spammers. Or their servers are extremely old and slow, meaning page downloads will take forever. Plus a lot of people use them to send spam, meaning the host gets blocked by anti-spam programs on all of the other servers in the world. I'd stay very far away from anything like that. A more typical web hosting charge is about $30/month for the basic level. For that you should get fast, reliable servers, tech support people, 25-50MB of disk space, proper management of domain name serving, mail forwarding, and that's about it. Things like email accounts, mailing list serving, statistical reports on site hits, etc usually have some additional fee. If we were going to switch Looper's Delight to it's own domain and server environment (outside of my account), I would only want to do the professional, correct way. I wouldn't want to take a chance on things getting completely screwed up on some fly-by-night ISP scam. And before we made the correct change, I would want to be sure that it had somehow developed a reliable trickle of income to support it's costs over an indefinite period of time. Until we manage to get that organized, it will probably stay the way it is. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Dec 01 22:16:00 1997 >From kflint Mon Dec 1 16:33:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcgGn-0005gf-00; Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:32:57 -0800 From: "Randy Jones" To: Subject: Re: Artistic Merit Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 18:22:19 -0600 Message-ID: <01bcfdef$2f72e040$673163d1@user.texas.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZFk1FD.A.7pE.YW1g0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1654 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 16:32:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 6327f70e413cedd1606a7ef165397ac3 Wow You mean I might have a chance to be on a CD??? I suck (even my own daughter says so) "Dad, I was wondering Why, uh if you've been playing the guitar for thiry years and all, uh, how come you can't play as good as Tim who's only been playing since last summer?" Of course she is young and doesn't understand the PHILOSOPHY OF LOOPING (i.e. playing the same thing over and over again-. Remember, these looping machines are new, in the old days, we had to spend precious practice hours actually playing the damn thing over and over again). Anyway, I got an extra hundred bucks if I can be on the CD w/ Matthias! It'll blow my daughter's mind! :-). Democracy, ain't it great! Randy Jones -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Smith To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Monday, December 01, 1997 5:44 PM Subject: Artistic Merit >Having been one of the quieter members on this list long enough to have >jumped in to the first CD project I'd like to share a few thoughts on CD >Project #2. > >First: I am interested. My submission would be from Fingerpaint, a guitar >duo driving multiple synths, effects and 5 jam men, one RDS 8000, one >vortex, and an occassional short loop on a LXP-5 and or an Eventude H3000. >We have access to a Tascam DA 38 for recording purposes. > >Second: Having recently read through all the posts concerning our >listening habits, I'm a bit concerned about any individual or group having >the final say on submissions. Are we representing "Looping" as an evolving >form which may have "music" that some or perhaps all of us on this list do >not like? We are a diverse group and should aim to celebrate this in a >collection of looping. If so, I think if a member has a submission of a >piece on an appropriate recording medium( I assume DAT) that is of the >necessary recording quality; and this member is willing to put up the ante >($100), then they should be in. > >Third: Having seen how long the first project has taken to come to >fruition, I would like to propose making the payments of the ante in >installments as progress is made on the project. Ray has not cashed my >check and in no way appears to have been in it for the money. But I think, >it may be prudent to proceed with caution. This would minimize hurt >feelings, etc...... > >Many thanks to Matt for volunteering to undertake this mission. > >Peace, > >Patrick > > > *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** > > > > > > From ???@??? Sun Nov 30 16:56:52 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 30 16:44:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcJyK-0007b5-00; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 16:44:24 -0800 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 19:39:22 -0500 (EST) From: ZeplinSoup@aol.com Message-ID: <971130193921_-462685005@mrin79> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Top 40 loops Resent-Message-ID: <"uEaNKB.A.E3G.3dgg0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1636 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 16:44:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 6d963fb6572def776af313a73dba542c my 2bits---->sections of songs that are repeated with respect to a form ( AABA , ABBACBA ,ect) are loops Top 40,jazz,blues,boogie woogie,and,and,.... - From ???@??? Sun Nov 30 22:51:24 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 30 21:06:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.73 #8) id 0xcO4P-00048I-00; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 21:06:57 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19971128082354.0067b4bc@visi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 03:05:47 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: RE: Looping with drums / editing loops Resent-Message-ID: <"H7QgSB.A.SiD.vTkg0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1637 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 21:06:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 927702d9e3d6e2bcae58224089dd2220 > I'm not a drummer, nor do I play one on tv, but for recording ... >I find I can get the groove to >swing more if I start the loop with bass or piano, and layer the drums on >top of that. This lets me practice my drumming skills and jam a bit before >committing the drums to the jamman. The hardest thing about playing drums >to me is keeping the timing steady, but with the jamman I only gotta be >tight for a few bars and let it loop away. I keep it real simple so I have >room to embellish later as the loop progresses and builds. That seams to be an essential way! Ljubo, a really experienced LOOP delay looper tought me that years ago and I want to try, too, rather with simple piezo percussion instruments. > Right now in my looping, I am very much feeling the need to take that >next step, namely aquiring a method of storing and editing the loops into a >coherent form of sorts. I am not shure whether this is what you are looking for: I record the direct and the looped signal on 2 DAT tracks and then copy the good parts to the computer and edit freely in DECK. It allowes stacking of several soloparts that happened at different times over different parts of the loop and rebuilding of the looped part, also by using inicial not very loaded bits of the looping later in the piece to "come back". - loads of possibilities that I did not really explore myself yet... Matthias