From ???@??? Sat Nov 01 11:55:29 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 31 23:17:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRXnz-00067U-00; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:17:11 -0800 Message-ID: <345AD378.7B33@aznet.net> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:00:08 -0800 From: crimson Reply-To: Crimson@aznet.net Organization: Autonomy X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: where can I buy a jamman References: <971031233014_1501346155@emout08.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HazRF.A.ESF.vNtW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1024 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:17:11 -0800 X-UIDL: fbca73c0b114505076f76872b5835cf1 You're an idiot From ???@??? Sat Nov 01 11:55:30 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 31 23:39:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRY98-0006uv-00; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:39:02 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <971031233014_1501346155@emout08.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Re: where can I buy a jamman Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 02:26:38 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"IlZu0B.A.YFG.antW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1025 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:39:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 35ae417bb6c4fd2560d15850cbafa195 >i just bought that one......psyche! =-p PJ Really?! Oh maan get out of my mind..... From ???@??? Sat Nov 01 11:55:36 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 1 01:19:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRZib-0002Qu-00; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 01:19:45 -0800 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 04:10:32 -0500 (EST) From: Fmplautus@aol.com Message-ID: <971101033914_-1577009341@mrin39> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: LoOpDoctOrs, WE WILL...WE WILL...LoOP YOU...tour... Resent-Message-ID: <"IEzuqC.A.dCC.PJvW0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1026 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 01:19:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 85a3636734deec88e727ee4f684cfe3b ...commences Saturday, November 1st, 1997 at Evo's Coffee House in Ashland, Oregon. (Across from the Library.) We hope the entire list comes. Coffee is pretty good there. Best, The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Sat Nov 01 11:55:52 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 1 10:38:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRiR0-0003PP-00; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 10:38:10 -0800 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:25:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711011825.NAA16100@shell.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@monmouth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: PROJECT LO....little revue Resent-Message-ID: <"3YRU2C.A.tqC.RU3W0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1027 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 10:38:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 2dae0a9d5731185550ecc4f33463805f hey Peter, and all ..> >> PROJECT LO/ CARYN LIN >> Thur Oct 30 1997 >> >Andre, how was the show? I CAN'T WAIT 'til this crew makes >it to the Boston area on 13 November. it was great !!!! a small, smoke free venue, comfortable, high ceilinged with good acoustics... A nice long set - material from Caryn's new CD, as well as the new Project Lo /Black Canvas - (which was available at the show for a great price!, along with Caryn's and other Bon & Geno White CD's) Two guitars incl. Bon and Jim Fogarty..sorry I can't recall the dummer or bassists names (!) and of course Caryn. She had that cool violin that looks like the Queensryche logo...thru a jam man and a bunch of pedals - 2 boss delays, a rarely seen ibanez modulation delay, etc. the 2 guitarists also had jamman/vortex combos, with assorted other stuff, ebows, etc... Bon hit a Parker Fly and an Ibanez(?) acoustic Music was very nice, textural, tribal drums with lush layers being set up by Bon & Caryn, Jim Fogarty had a cool twangy tele sound - picked out some tasy licks, lotsa cool tremelo tones..a couple of cool trademark legato Lozaga solos... One vocal tune, one little solo loopage treat by Caryn... with impossible violin harmonics technique of course... well - don't wanna spoil any more surprises - GO to the show!! it's modern tribal loopy jazz spaciness with TEETH! peace,andre'> From ???@??? Sat Nov 01 12:19:44 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 1 12:18:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRk03-0000oU-00; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:18:27 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:12:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Rupolo, Thomas" (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: Questions and techniques Resent-Message-ID: <"akxbeB.A.ig.H24W0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1028 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:18:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 59031c92a01fbc4df6bd5317b2d6affc I+m writing with two questions for the list, one is somewhat specific and one is a bit more general. Lastly, I was asked to share some of my other techniques to hopefully inspire fellow loopers. I+m about to lose my access to email for a while so I want to get this out while I+m still hooked up. First for the general question: 1) How many loopers save their loops and how? This would have been a good question for the survey a number of weeks back, but I just thought of it now. I use a plain ol+ cassette deck, but I wonder how many of you use DAT+s, a sampler, or some other digital storage device like a zip drive (if that+s even possible.) I'm thinking about getting a DAT but wondering if I should shell out $700-800 without considering alternatives. 2) I was wondering how many people have used these somewhat inexpensive "phrase samplers" that are showing up on the market like crazy these days. I+m talking about the Akai Remix 16, MPC2000, and S-20, Boss SP-202, Yamaha SL-10, Ensoniq ASR-X (this one is not so inexpensive, actually), and/or Roland MS-1. I+ve only seen an few of these and getting Sam Ash in NYC to actually demo one of these things for me is like asking for the salesman+s first born child. I use an Echoplex in a number of very different ways. I often like to create an ambient loop but eventually want to add a drum/rhythmic part with a different time length (usually shorter). The original loop will not conform to the new rhythm so I will probably end up buying another unit. I+d like the rhythmic part to hopefully but not necessarily sync up to the +plex. Has anyone ever used any of things and found them as easy to work with as the +plex? Do any of them overdub? So without giving away any secrets (I don+t have any anyway) here are a couple of my other techniques: For DJ type purposes I use the Echoplex (expanded to 130 sec. of memory) to sample other artist+s CD+s. I have been "remixing" material from Massive Attack, Beck, Olive, etc. I totally change the structure of the songs, and often overdub subtle touches like extra drums, elec. piano parts, or Sitar samples. I work very quickly, and its fun to "play god" and choose when the next section will come around. If you like a particular drum break you can cut to it every other measure if you want. For my original works I use the +plex to build my basic loop (which occasionally start with a sample of some sort - but that is less often that not.) I then copy to other loops and build them adding bass lines, multiple keyboard overdubs, guitar, drums (from my R-70 drum machine played live into the machine - no more static drum machine programming - hooray!) I then create new loops for transitions, a "Chorus" - not necessarily a strict Chorus, mind you. I tell you I+ve never had more fun with my bass than experimenting with multiple variations of a bass line. The hardest part is deciding which one to ultimately use. Once all nine loops are filled I record straight to a cassette, usually improvising a few parts in the process. - a synth or organ lead, more samples, even some spoken word parts from a video cassette. If someone comes by who can actually sing, they+ll sing live as I record. This way the end result seems less like a succession of loops, and more like a finished song.. There is something thrilling about playing while the red light is on. If I make a *mistake* there+s always the rewind button. Despite the trade-offs of working this way, I find this method MUCH faster and more satisfying than using a multi- track recorder. I apologize for boring anyone who already works using similar methods. In the interest of spreading some new ideas around it is my hope that everyone get as much out of this very powerful machine as possible. Tom Rupolo "The Trance Lounge King" Rupolot@bdd.com ('till 11/7) From ???@??? Sun Nov 02 00:08:14 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 1 17:29:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRorB-0007Vh-00; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 17:29:37 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCE703.DCFFC8C0@jbrainin@interactive.net> From: Jonathan Brainin To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Philadelphia Loop Show 1998 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 20:22:21 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4008 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"dm834D.A.bjG.8Y9W0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1029 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 17:29:37 -0800 X-UIDL: 2e8cebe011f57923a51e0f973270c4b6 Hi there. I think I'd like to take a shot at performing this time around. Probably would use both my Parker Fly w/ GK2a and my newly acquired (used) 8 string Warr guitar. Check out my profile for the balance of the gear. As far as musical direction is concerned, who knows where things might go in the next 4 or 5 months. Jonathan Brainin jbrainin@interactive.net From ???@??? Sun Nov 02 00:08:15 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 1 17:31:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRosv-0007hZ-00; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 17:31:25 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCE704.3B9C0F60@jbrainin@interactive.net> From: Jonathan Brainin To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Philadelphia Loop Show 1998 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 20:24:58 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4008 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCE704.3BA53720" Resent-Message-ID: <"-BOyY.A.zxG.cb9W0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1030 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 17:31:25 -0800 X-UIDL: cb32eb723a0b3d6f1b45efc52323a27c OOPS! That was supposed to be a private post. I hate reply-to address brain fade. Jonathan Brainin jbrainin@interactive.net > > > > On Saturday, November 01, 1997 8:22 PM, Jonathan Brainin > [SMTP:jbrainin@interactive.net] wrote: > > Hi there. I think I'd like to take a shot at performing this > > time around. Probably would use both my Parker Fly w/ > > GK2a and my newly acquired (used) 8 string Warr guitar. > > > > Check out my profile for the balance of the gear. As far > > as musical direction is concerned, who knows where things > > might go in the next 4 or 5 months. From ???@??? Sun Nov 02 00:08:19 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 1 20:07:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRrJV-00065h-00; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 20:07:01 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971101230118.007c3340@popmail.voicenet.com> X-Sender: floyd@popmail.voicenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 23:01:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: RE: Philadelphia Loop Show 1998 In-Reply-To: <01BCE704.3B9C0F60@jbrainin@interactive.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_878461278==_" Resent-Message-ID: <"SNRDgC.A.QbF._r_W0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1031 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 20:07:01 -0800 X-UIDL: c35ac99103987cd6cb6acb685e333aac At 08:24 PM 11/1/97 -0500, you wrote: > >OOPS! That was supposed to be a private post. >I hate reply-to address brain fade. > >Attachment Converted: "C:\INTERNET\EUDORA\ATTACH\RE Philadelphia Loop Show 1998" > And what was that attchement all about? Are you using some sort of microsoft email program? Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="RE Philadelphia Loop Show 1998" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="RE Philadelphia Loop Show 1998" Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:RE Philadelphia Loop Show 1998 (????/----) (00020385) From ???@??? Sun Nov 02 12:47:40 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 2 04:37:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xRzHZ-0000FM-00; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 04:37:33 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971102153228.006c4e68@mail.dlc.fi> X-Sender: boppo@mail.dlc.fi (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 15:32:28 +0100 To: From: Bopster Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"yET-5C.A.oDH.gJHX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1032 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 04:37:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 9ed3592186e1f7b3df416e09e2bbbae4 Loopers, friends, fellows! I've been a lurker on this list for 'bout a month now and to convince myself that I'm not a *complete* nerd I decided that I had to contribute something. So here goes: The reason i originally joined in on this digest was to learn something about looping, anything about looping. when I subscribed last month, I knew nothing more than what the word implied and that it was used by Mr Fripp in several records, including the much loved "That which passes". Being somewhat of a musician (vocalist and emergency keyboardist in a rock band currently going weird, much to my amusement), I decided I had to learn how to do this cool thing that I didn't know anything about. So, I read about tape loops, digital loops, and so on. After I thought I had an idea abou this looping business I went and tested a zoom 508, and was convinced that it is an enchanted pedal. The testing was made with pops, smacks and other weird noises you make with your mouth that were made into a rhytmic loop, three tones (the C-major chord) and, over that a finnish Kalevala chant (which was not looped). But, alas, 4 seconds is not enough! What couldn't I do with 8 or even 16!!! So, here is my dilemma: Where to get an 8/16 sec looping device fairly cheaply (under $500 [=2500 FIM])? Being a student, a trip out of scandinavia is quite out of the question. Mail order perhaps? What I want is nothing overly fancy, it would be nice to be able to store a couple of loops on the device, perhaps reversing them, perhaps even something extra nice 'n cool. So, please tell me (I think by private email, this discussion probably doesn't dazzle any of the more experienced loopers with either originality or relevance), what device would suit me that's available either in Finland or by mail order. Thank you very much for making music relevant, John Soderholm (boppo@dlc.fi) P.S. If anybody happens to see a band called pHosDIc having a gig somewhere please come in and enjoy yourself. From ???@??? Sun Nov 02 12:47:42 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 2 07:25:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xS1tt-0002UW-00; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 07:25:17 -0800 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 10:19:55 -0500 (EST) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <971102101909_-1258451572@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Resent-Message-ID: <"yC3PN.A.1GC.ipJX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1033 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 07:25:17 -0800 X-UIDL: f6a4754a19605466158817c22b075b58 To John Soderholm: <> Besides the newly available 8-Sec-delay (w/4-sec. reverse) DOD FX-98 (+/-US$100), with which I plan to replace MY Zoom 508--since as a vocalist you're not typically using both hands to play into the looper, I'd suggest you look seriously at the new Boss Dr. Sample SP-202, (+/-US$320), which can be expanded to phrase-sample into the minute range, and has real-time filters and ring modulation, pitch adjust, beat adjust, sample editing, sample storage on SmartMedia cards...looks very powerful, fun, and not very expensive. dpc From ???@??? Sun Nov 02 12:47:43 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 2 07:34:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xS22c-0003AZ-00; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 07:34:18 -0800 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 10:28:31 -0500 (EST) From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <971102102646_2058542812@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Resent-Message-ID: <"7zxqWD.A.ImC.lxJX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1034 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 07:34:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 6893447e92ec0da309606aac35a50ef5 i would keep the zoom 508. i love mine. i love that you can tap the delay time. i love the 4 second sampler. i love that you can program it just like a rack unit. this baby is awesome!! =-) PJ p.s. sorry for being so silly a couple days ago. From ???@??? Sun Nov 02 12:47:46 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 2 08:39:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xS33W-0005uF-00; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 08:39:18 -0800 From: djdowling@earthlink.net Message-ID: <345CAC9B.5DDC@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 11:38:51 -0500 Reply-To: djdowling@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:boomerang References: <971102102646_2058542812@emout07.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_h09a.A.lIF.JtKX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1035 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 08:39:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 9d1a4a56e63ca5d8617f6f5e62596ce8 A few weeks ago Trey Gunn from King Crimson sent a list of gear for sale to some of us from the Elephant Talk newsletter, included was the boomerang. My phome line was down for two days and by the time I responded to him he had sold it "yesterday". I have been kicking myself (and Bell Atlantic) since. Anybody out there have a Boomerang (4 mbyte) they want to part with for less than retail price? Dave From ???@??? Mon Nov 03 00:55:46 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 2 18:40:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSCR4-0002bn-00; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 18:40:14 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <"PLvPOD.A.ISB.ldOX0"@ferret> References: Conversation <"PLvPOD.A.ISB.ldOX0"@ferret> with last message <"PLvPOD.A.ISB.ldOX0"@ferret> Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Chris Darrow" Subject: Re: Closing the loop Date: Sun, 02 Nov 97 09:25:29 PST Content-Type: text/plain; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Q5_snD.A.67B.hgTX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1039 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 18:40:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 1c8ac83c39cc410c7bb376f0b27ae01e Greetings from an eavsdroper. I have three questions about the EP and a statement for Oberheim. (Please forgive the misspellings, dislexic not stupid.) Question 1: While investigating what it would take to upgrade the pitifull 4 meg of ram in my older 486 IBM, I was told that sometimes, when adding simms, they can work at different speeds even though they are supposedly the exact same type. In other words, it is better to replace all of the memory insted of just adding to it. Is the same true of the echoplex? Will I possibly run into problems by expanding the memory myself, which is much cheeper and easier? Can anyone provide me with the full technical specifications needed to avoid any conflict between old memory and new? Question 2: Well, I guess I'll need to tell you a bit of my story for this... I've been waiting for 3 echoplexes for almost a year now. All I can say is that Oberheim really has the delay part down! Yet I've never toyed with one myself. Crazy? No. Calculated. There's nothing beter. I know how they work by thinking about them, or how they should work. What I want to know is: Am I right? I want to play bass, guitar, and sax at the same time. Actually, it goes further than that. The sax will be played through a mike that can be used for a snare drum, harp, vocals or anything else (how is the static build up for overdubs by mic?). I'll switch from guitar to keys via an A+B footswitch. A Roland PMA will begin some songs or provide a bridge to keep things interesting. Three units are needed to A)seporate the diferent sounds so that each has its own stereo amplification specifically for it's tonal region, ie; bass to a bass cab. and B) so that I can start a short loop, build a longer one on another unit, then alter the first or dittle with the third. Also for changing from tune to tune using the reverse of this process. So the ultimate question is, will I be able to synch and close the loops between three units on the fly? Or will I be forced to slave them? If it is a matter of physical coordination, I think I can. I've been stomping on an invisible box for mounths. (A row of pennies suffices) Also, practicing matching notes with left hand tapping on guitar and right hand on keys or sax. Or sax and keys. All just tricks really, but fun. SO, I can use any advice I can get as to whether or not I'm looking at these things correctly . Can they really do it? Can I really do it? And on a... well, spiritual note, I guess, why does this delay have to happen at a point in my life where I have every other element and instrument around me but the Plex, AND, as my self confidence in music as an ocupation dwindles I am forced to draw deeper on my conviction that I am waiting for something that is RIGHT. That it will pay dividends. Perhaps I am not expressing myself well. At any rate, any stories of instinct, of perserverance when everyone else thinks you are mad would be apreciated as well. Publically or privatlly. Question 3: Kim. Why no "Previous Loop" button? Is there at least a mode which will limmit the possble loops from 1 to 2, or even to 3, so that "Next Loop" gets you back to 1 without going through dead loops? I'm I thinking of it wrong? Most conventional songs are in one to three parts. So I assume there is some way to mimic this, if one chooses, on the Plex. Statement to Oberheim: This relates to question 2 in the sence that there is nothing better than the Plex that I know about. Nothing with more memory, fidelity, and, most important, freedom. This will not last forever. Therefor you are in a race. And yet I sympothize with trying to clean up a mess that someone else began. (I actually would like to know about the history of the mess, so if you have time, e-mail me as to who fucked up.) At any rate, what I want to say here is this: Get it right. I, the consumer, is grudgingly willing to wait for a flawless, remarkable peice of musical technology. I agree that you should "Ship no Oberheim before it's time!" I don't want any of the problems I have heard about. This, I know, takes time. But I hope nobody gets the jump on you in the inturm because I really like the intuitive way you've layed things out. And I always root for the underdog. Also, please provide REALISTIC schedual of delivery. For everyone. At all times. Even if it costs you. Thank you. Much support. Don't let the nice guy finish last. Chris. sound@soli.inav.net ---------- > Hello all -- > > Some thoughts I'd like to make here... > > As I posted previously a couple of days ago, in reviewing the information > I provided for Oberheim, I detected some serious inaccuracies and > inconsistencies in the information I provided them for trying to detect > the anomaly in my unit. I don't know how much this contributed to the > delay I recieved in getting my unit back, and at this point I doubt I ever > will. What I am doing is choosing to return the other check, which was > originally sent to Gibson (and subsequently sent back to me), back to > Oberheim in the interest of trying to make reparations for the confusion > which has ensued and help realize the expenses incurred in their efforts > to help me. If anyone at Oberheim feels any other steps should be taken, > I'll happily speak to them in private or public about it, and I certainly > apologize for any contributions to the current confusion which I may have > made. > > Since at least some of the confusion with my situation could very likely > have stemmed from my lack of clarity, it seems to me at this point that it > would be unfair to use my particular case as a litmus test for Oberheim's > current state of organization and customer service (though it must be > admitted that strictly from an intention point of view, Tom and Pat were > definitely on the right track). I do get the impression that the company > is presently in very good hands. > > The noise anomaly has been tracked down and explained. I lack the > necessary technical skills or expertise to do so, but it will shortly be > made available; owing to the fact I've never heard anyone else notice it > or complain about it, it's fair to say it's minor enough to not warrant a > problem for anyone else. If nothing else, I must thank Oberheim for being > able to eliminate the possibility of its being a circuitry problem as a > result of their swapping all of the internal electronics. > > As one of the very few people who has thus far been priveleged enough > to use the upgrade, I can report that it's a very welcome addition to the > Echoplex. The whole thing seems to run a little bit more smoothly, and > some of the minor bugs which had been annoying in the past are happily > absent from the current software. Anyone who has any interest in looping > (including anybody on this list) owes it to themselves to investigate the > Echoplex, especially in its newer, sleeker format. > > One thing that's been driven home to me over the last week is the fact > that what we do, and the companies which help produce the tools which make > what we do possible to a large extent, all exists on a significantly > smaller scale than what one might initially presume. This isn't > big-business corporate commerce -- it's fringe technology and creativity, > being fostered by both musicians and manufacturers who often are not that > far away from being unable to continue their efforts in this realm. > > Whether we like it or not, I've come to the conclusion that those of us on > this list (and, in a more general sense, those of us within this musical > and creative community, both on-line and elsewhere) have a certain > responsibilityto and for one another. Without customer support, the > products can't continue to be made or distributed; without company > support, consumers and professionals will find themselves frightened at > the prospect of getting into the game. In an on-line forum, these > relationships tend to be magnified and intensified far beyond where they > might go in the real world, and this has the potential for abuse. I've > been guilty of that in the recent past, and I apologize for that. Other > people have as well, and they have in general admitted as such. > > This is a pivotal time for Oberheim -- they're under new management, and > preparing to ship a version of a new product which customers have been > anxiously awaiting for at least two years. I certainly hope that my > comments have not swayed anyone from considering investigation into the > Echoplex, and I will reiterate that the unit is in a class all its own in > terms of the depth and breadth of what it can do. Take what's said in > this forum for what it's worth, but ultimately, track down one of the > units and see for yourself what it can do. > > My thanks for Oberheim for their efforts in the past and present, and my > wishes for ongoing success and longevity. > > --Andre > From ???@??? Sun Nov 02 12:47:51 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 2 10:44:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xS50o-0003lZ-00; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 10:44:38 -0800 X-Sender: nicomonguzzi@mail.vtx.ch Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 19:21:06 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "nicomonguzzi" Subject: Re: Questions and techniques Resent-Message-ID: <"nBR7rB.A.GRD.XjMX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1036 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 10:44:38 -0800 X-UIDL: b677fb182adae03edcf5dd5d54372864 hello, i use to "save" some material to loop on a MiniDisc. I think MiniDisc are good because they're fast acces and you can edit the different tracks, and are less expensive than samplers (obviously with a sampler you can make a millions more things, but that it's another history...). I also use MiniDisc to have fast access to material that i recorded from CDs, with the repeat function on MiniDisc you can make a sort of not-enough-precise-but-not-too-bad loop. I use this to sample (with Jamman), hearing a sort of loop from MiniDisc facilitate me the task to sample short sounds or phrases. have a nice loop. ciao, nicos >I+m writing with two questions for the list, one is somewhat specific >and one is a bit more general. Lastly, I was asked to share some of my >other techniques to hopefully inspire fellow loopers. I+m about to lose >my access to email for a while so I want to get this out while I+m still >hooked up. > >First for the general question: > >1) How many loopers save their loops and how? This would have been a >good question for the survey a number of weeks back, but I just thought >of it now. I use a plain ol+ cassette deck, but I wonder how many of >you use DAT+s, a sampler, or some other digital storage device like a >zip drive (if that+s even possible.) I'm thinking about getting a DAT >but wondering if I should shell out $700-800 without considering >alternatives. > From ???@??? Sun Nov 02 12:47:53 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 2 11:53:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xS650-0006qI-00; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 11:53:02 -0800 Message-ID: <345CD918.5B5E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 14:48:40 -0500 From: DENNIS PISKO Reply-To: pisko@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Jam Man: sell or trade References: <199710311349.IAA04440@newman.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WOiDXB.A.KIG.ojNX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1037 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 11:53:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 3a6191480e23e1d722aa6089f480d617 Tom Lambrecht wrote: > > At 12:38 PM 10/23/97 -0500, you wrote: > >I have a pristine Jam Man with 32 second upgrade that is gathering dust and > would be put to much better use by somebody else. I am most interested in > trading it for a midi sound module that would work nicely with a midi guitar > controller (Shadow 075). I do not know what a reasonable selling price > would be, so I could use some feedback on that as well. > > > >Thanks > > > > Greg > > I' m seriously interested in the Jamman--please let me know how we can > handle shipping and payment (COD UPS okay?) I dont have anything to swap, > but would pay cash $ 250 to $300, depending on condition and manuals being > there. > > thanks, Tom > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net If the price is right I would be intrested. I don't rember what I saw them for new I think it was about $300-$350. Do you have the book and or controler? From ???@??? Sun Nov 02 15:02:16 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 2 12:54:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xS72v-0001gv-00; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:54:57 -0800 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:50:20 -0800 (PST) From: Andre LaFosse To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Closing the loop Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"PLvPOD.A.ISB.ldOX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1038 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:54:57 -0800 X-UIDL: 4816048965aa937ddbf62addd282042e Hello all -- Some thoughts I'd like to make here... As I posted previously a couple of days ago, in reviewing the information I provided for Oberheim, I detected some serious inaccuracies and inconsistencies in the information I provided them for trying to detect the anomaly in my unit. I don't know how much this contributed to the delay I recieved in getting my unit back, and at this point I doubt I ever will. What I am doing is choosing to return the other check, which was originally sent to Gibson (and subsequently sent back to me), back to Oberheim in the interest of trying to make reparations for the confusion which has ensued and help realize the expenses incurred in their efforts to help me. If anyone at Oberheim feels any other steps should be taken, I'll happily speak to them in private or public about it, and I certainly apologize for any contributions to the current confusion which I may have made. Since at least some of the confusion with my situation could very likely have stemmed from my lack of clarity, it seems to me at this point that it would be unfair to use my particular case as a litmus test for Oberheim's current state of organization and customer service (though it must be admitted that strictly from an intention point of view, Tom and Pat were definitely on the right track). I do get the impression that the company is presently in very good hands. The noise anomaly has been tracked down and explained. I lack the necessary technical skills or expertise to do so, but it will shortly be made available; owing to the fact I've never heard anyone else notice it or complain about it, it's fair to say it's minor enough to not warrant a problem for anyone else. If nothing else, I must thank Oberheim for being able to eliminate the possibility of its being a circuitry problem as a result of their swapping all of the internal electronics. As one of the very few people who has thus far been priveleged enough to use the upgrade, I can report that it's a very welcome addition to the Echoplex. The whole thing seems to run a little bit more smoothly, and some of the minor bugs which had been annoying in the past are happily absent from the current software. Anyone who has any interest in looping (including anybody on this list) owes it to themselves to investigate the Echoplex, especially in its newer, sleeker format. One thing that's been driven home to me over the last week is the fact that what we do, and the companies which help produce the tools which make what we do possible to a large extent, all exists on a significantly smaller scale than what one might initially presume. This isn't big-business corporate commerce -- it's fringe technology and creativity, being fostered by both musicians and manufacturers who often are not that far away from being unable to continue their efforts in this realm. Whether we like it or not, I've come to the conclusion that those of us on this list (and, in a more general sense, those of us within this musical and creative community, both on-line and elsewhere) have a certain responsibilityto and for one another. Without customer support, the products can't continue to be made or distributed; without company support, consumers and professionals will find themselves frightened at the prospect of getting into the game. In an on-line forum, these relationships tend to be magnified and intensified far beyond where they might go in the real world, and this has the potential for abuse. I've been guilty of that in the recent past, and I apologize for that. Other people have as well, and they have in general admitted as such. This is a pivotal time for Oberheim -- they're under new management, and preparing to ship a version of a new product which customers have been anxiously awaiting for at least two years. I certainly hope that my comments have not swayed anyone from considering investigation into the Echoplex, and I will reiterate that the unit is in a class all its own in terms of the depth and breadth of what it can do. Take what's said in this forum for what it's worth, but ultimately, track down one of the units and see for yourself what it can do. My thanks for Oberheim for their efforts in the past and present, and my wishes for ongoing success and longevity. --Andre From ???@??? Mon Nov 03 00:55:49 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 2 20:31:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSEAk-0000wE-00; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 20:31:30 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971102202544.0069fa80@mail.transport.com> X-Sender: mgriffin@mail.transport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 20:25:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "M. Griffin" Subject: Torn - "...Solid, Traveller?" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"r8BtSD.A.Re.HJVX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1040 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 20:31:30 -0800 X-UIDL: cfb8bd04429e33768fc7b2e14cdaa6ed Hi all, Not long ago, someone on this list mentioned that they were looking for a copy of David Torn's "What Means Solid, Traveller?" which is now out of print. I've been weeding out some stuff from my collection, and I have a copy of this title that I think I'm ready to let go of. Will consider selling it, but I'd prefer to hear trade offers... Thanks, Mike | ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' | | h y p n o s r e c o r d i n g s | | e m a i l : mgriffin@hypnos.com | | web site at http://www.hypnos.com | | - - - - - - - - | | j e f f g r e i n k e , t h e | | o f f i c i a l w e b s i t e | | at: http://www.hypnos.com/greinke | | ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' | From ???@??? Mon Nov 03 10:07:47 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 3 06:28:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSNUK-0000nL-00; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 06:28:20 -0800 Message-Id: <97Nov3.081726cst.26886@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:16:26 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re: Closing the loop Cc: pmurphy@gibson.com, kpaul@gibson.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"0gEBM.A.kJ.W2dX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1041 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 06:28:20 -0800 X-UIDL: a330e9e515c340f26f771de31b5ddfe4 Andre- My sincere thanks for your ongoing efforts. I would definitely be interested in the learning the cause of your noise problem. If it is not a design anomaly, I think it would certainly merit a mention in a revised owner's manual. I agree with you that at the scale we are operating at, the relationship between manufacturer and end user is crucial. For example, even though the JamMan was an excellent product at an excellent price, Lexicon chose to discontinue it. We at Oberheim are probably no less bottom-line conscious than Lexicon, but we are determined to keep the Echoplex in production, and in fact maybe even expand the line(!). >From postings I have observed, the Customer Service people at Lexicon are still answering questions, even though the product is no longer made. This is a testament to the caliber of their organization and to the fact that all "big"companies are made up of some people who care and some who do not, (or can not). It is with the continued support and critiques from the power user's on this list that Oberheim will persevere. Thanks again, Andre, for pointing that out. Enjoy your update, and thank Kim and Co. for all of it's benefits. Tom At 02:50 PM 11/2/97 -0600, you wrote: >Hello all -- > >Some thoughts I'd like to make here... > >As I posted previously a couple of days ago, in reviewing the information >I provided for Oberheim, I detected some serious inaccuracies and >inconsistencies in the information I provided them for trying to detect >the anomaly in my unit. I don't know how much this contributed to the >delay I recieved in getting my unit back, and at this point I doubt I ever >will. What I am doing is choosing to return the other check, which was >originally sent to Gibson (and subsequently sent back to me), back to >Oberheim in the interest of trying to make reparations for the confusion >which has ensued and help realize the expenses incurred in their efforts >to help me. If anyone at Oberheim feels any other steps should be taken, >I'll happily speak to them in private or public about it, and I certainly >apologize for any contributions to the current confusion which I may have >made. > >Since at least some of the confusion with my situation could very likely >have stemmed from my lack of clarity, it seems to me at this point that it >would be unfair to use my particular case as a litmus test for Oberheim's >current state of organization and customer service (though it must be >admitted that strictly from an intention point of view, Tom and Pat were >definitely on the right track). I do get the impression that the company >is presently in very good hands. > >The noise anomaly has been tracked down and explained. I lack the >necessary technical skills or expertise to do so, but it will shortly be >made available; owing to the fact I've never heard anyone else notice it >or complain about it, it's fair to say it's minor enough to not warrant a >problem for anyone else. If nothing else, I must thank Oberheim for being >able to eliminate the possibility of its being a circuitry problem as a >result of their swapping all of the internal electronics. > >As one of the very few people who has thus far been priveleged enough >to use the upgrade, I can report that it's a very welcome addition to the >Echoplex. The whole thing seems to run a little bit more smoothly, and >some of the minor bugs which had been annoying in the past are happily >absent from the current software. Anyone who has any interest in looping >(including anybody on this list) owes it to themselves to investigate the >Echoplex, especially in its newer, sleeker format. > >One thing that's been driven home to me over the last week is the fact >that what we do, and the companies which help produce the tools which make >what we do possible to a large extent, all exists on a significantly >smaller scale than what one might initially presume. This isn't >big-business corporate commerce -- it's fringe technology and creativity, >being fostered by both musicians and manufacturers who often are not that >far away from being unable to continue their efforts in this realm. > >Whether we like it or not, I've come to the conclusion that those of us on >this list (and, in a more general sense, those of us within this musical >and creative community, both on-line and elsewhere) have a certain >responsibilityto and for one another. Without customer support, the >products can't continue to be made or distributed; without company >support, consumers and professionals will find themselves frightened at >the prospect of getting into the game. In an on-line forum, these >relationships tend to be magnified and intensified far beyond where they >might go in the real world, and this has the potential for abuse. I've >been guilty of that in the recent past, and I apologize for that. Other >people have as well, and they have in general admitted as such. > >This is a pivotal time for Oberheim -- they're under new management, and >preparing to ship a version of a new product which customers have been >anxiously awaiting for at least two years. I certainly hope that my >comments have not swayed anyone from considering investigation into the >Echoplex, and I will reiterate that the unit is in a class all its own in >terms of the depth and breadth of what it can do. Take what's said in >this forum for what it's worth, but ultimately, track down one of the >units and see for yourself what it can do. > >My thanks for Oberheim for their efforts in the past and present, and my >wishes for ongoing success and longevity. > >--Andre > > > From ???@??? Mon Nov 03 10:07:53 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 3 07:29:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSORa-00042T-00; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 07:29:34 -0800 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:21:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711031521.KAA28669@user1.channel1.com> X-Sender: seahorse@user1.channel1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: Re: Looping/Theater perf. in Boston Resent-Message-ID: <"PVy0_.A.9QD.LweX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1042 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 07:29:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 7f14757d7e64ef7b65a22b5206e05b57 Hello, David, We have a cassette as Dreamchild called Gates To The Sea which has a VG/wire-strung harp/vocal trio piece on it as well as a lot of VG8. voice and bass stuff. We are working on a soundtrack to Masks of Odysseus as well, which will have more of same and all the spoken word stuff as well. There's information on all this at our website at http://www.channel1.com/users/seahorse. We are also working on a lot of new material with the harp and VG8. That material should be available in the late spring. (Masks in early spring). The time delay is due to my performing as co-writer, recording engineer and mix master. I'll keep you posted on new stuff. Frank ComAt 09:24 AM 10/31/97 EST, you wrote: >Hey, Frank... >Have you got any tapes or CDs? I'd love to hear a VG-8/wire-strung harp duo! >dpc > > > From ???@??? Mon Nov 03 22:08:57 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 3 15:26:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSVsX-0000u9-00; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:25:53 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:40:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: Philadelphia Loop Show 1998 Resent-Message-ID: <"tOYalC.A.pKH.WtlX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1047 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:25:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 66ebdee3dce653b099ae17e5d00753d6 Hi Jim, We are definately interested in doing the lOOp Show 1998. Please count us in. Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Mon Nov 03 10:07:56 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 3 08:03:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSOyb-0006BD-00; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:03:41 -0800 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:58:07 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: darcyc@srvr5.engin.umich.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Darcy Clark Subject: New Looping Hardware (?) Resent-Message-ID: <"7pBNQD.A.jYF.VSfX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1043 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:03:41 -0800 X-UIDL: e7d4e552ddf67405ea23513753d0ee02 Sorry to bring discussion down to a purely technical level, but I am curious as to how useful 'phrase samplers' are in a looping context (i.e., do they offer any advantages of the Jamman or Echoplex; what can't you do on phrase sampling units that you can on the afore-metioned devices) here's an example: http://www.rolandus.com/products/MI/MIboss_PS.html#SP-202 Darcy Clark +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Materials Science and Engineering Department University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2136 USA +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Room 2130, Dow Building Phone (313) 764 3377 Fax (313) 763 4788 E-mail darcyc@engin.umich.edu http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/mse250 http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/people/darcyc/ http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ???@??? Mon Nov 03 22:08:49 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 3 14:01:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSUYq-0007TB-00; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:01:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:50:38 -0500 (EST) From: Drumworker@aol.com Message-ID: <971103164654_-425553683@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JamMan Wanted Resent-Message-ID: <"rTX0hD.A.fAG.4dkX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1044 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:01:28 -0800 X-UIDL: c5a3a61725c06185ef23f360ab48d945 I will purchase a JamMan if I can find one. If you have one you'll sell or know where I can buy one, please contact me directly - Drumworker@aol.com Any leads are appreciated. Paul O. From ???@??? Mon Nov 03 22:08:52 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 3 14:34:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSV4Q-0003DT-00; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:34:06 -0800 From: "Type in your real name here" To: Subject: Re: Jam Man: sell or trade Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:19:50 -0600 Message-ID: <01bce8a6$9a5afa40$ce0753d1@greg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"SWlOvD.A.noB.V5kX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1045 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:34:06 -0800 X-UIDL: 0482bd4f5452821c81a64c7a293de338 Thanks - but it has been sold. Greg From ???@??? Mon Nov 03 22:08:52 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 3 14:34:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSV4U-0003Dw-00; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:34:10 -0800 Message-ID: <345E4EE8.5C08@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 17:23:36 -0500 From: DENNIS PISKO Reply-To: pisko@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan Wanted References: <971103164654_-425553683@emout11.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yodp9B.A.J3B.L7kX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1046 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:34:10 -0800 X-UIDL: dcbb5c02495e65923702155db9e5355e Drumworker@aol.com wrote: > > I will purchase a JamMan if I can find one. If you have one you'll sell or > know where I can buy one, please contact me directly - Drumworker@aol.com > > Any leads are appreciated. > > Paul O. I'm looking for one myself. From ???@??? Tue Nov 04 19:13:40 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 4 16:26:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xStJ3-0001V4-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:26:49 -0800 From: "Randy Jones" To: Subject: Re: Echo manual Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:18:44 -0600 Message-ID: <01bce8b7$360fde00$7f047fce@user.texas.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"yOTxEB.A.00.Su7X0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1057 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:26:49 -0800 X-UIDL: e9785afe4e4d34841a9cfb310d3664a0 Hello Here is my suggestion: Arrange all of the "things I like to do with my Echoplex" into a hypertexted database fashioned visually after the front panel of the Plex. By pressing a database cell, one would be transported to a series of webpages that have step by step instructions (explicit, please!) for creating something HUGE using that particular control button. Suggestions of "things I like to do..." could be listed by the function button they relate to the most, or one which express a unique use of that particular function. We need the continual living presentation that only on line hypertext, can provide, not the printed manual. Also, the cell titles should change colors with recent new entrys, so one could tell at a glance those items with new ideas. Authors should be recognized so that private emails could clarify any arcane processes. Thanks for your effort Tom, keep up the good work. Randy Jones -----Original Message----- From: Tom Spaulding To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tuesday, November 04, 1997 8:57 AM >Hello All- > >In preparation for the next production run of Echoplex units, I thought it >might be helpful to amend the Owner's Manual with any tips or tricks that >anyone may have discovered. I would like to have a chapter devoted to >applications of the Echoplex from all musician's who use it - DJ's, >percussionists, horns, woodwinds, strings, etc. We would compile these >techniques and either add them to the existing manual or publish a separate >User's Guide. Do you think this would be beneficial? Any thoughts on how >best to present the material? I would appreciate your help, and am eager to >hear from you. Thanks!! > >Tom > > From ???@??? Tue Nov 04 00:38:17 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 3 23:27:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSdOV-0006uC-00; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:27:23 -0800 Message-ID: <345ECE0F.3309@dmans.com> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 01:26:07 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New Looping Hardware (?) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Rrrev.A.CEG.czsX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1048 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:27:23 -0800 X-UIDL: 91f05140de34f87cf67182d628eb7591 Darcy Clark wrote: > > Sorry to bring discussion down to a purely technical level, but I am > curious as to how useful 'phrase samplers' are in a looping context (i.e., > do they offer any advantages of the Jamman or Echoplex; what can't you do > on phrase sampling units that you can on the afore-metioned devices) > > here's an example: > http://www.rolandus.com/products/MI/MIboss_PS.html#SP-202 Products like this are setup to record many samples or phrases and then string them together, sort of like a sequencer does with MIDI events, to create a song. As far as I know, they don't play multiple parts simultaneously, have pure loop functions such as multiply, or have foot controllers. IMHO the Boomerang Phrase Sampler, Echoplex DP, and Jamman are far more powerful tools for live performance by a single musician. Motley From ???@??? Tue Nov 04 10:25:34 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 4 06:56:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSkOh-0002Zs-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 06:56:03 -0800 Message-Id: <97Nov4.084448cst.26882@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 08:43:46 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"0s8ivB.A.plB.gSzX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1049 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 06:56:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 47638f1cd7bfba22b1df73fe14944c76 Hello All- In preparation for the next production run of Echoplex units, I thought it might be helpful to amend the Owner's Manual with any tips or tricks that anyone may have discovered. I would like to have a chapter devoted to applications of the Echoplex from all musician's who use it - DJ's, percussionists, horns, woodwinds, strings, etc. We would compile these techniques and either add them to the existing manual or publish a separate User's Guide. Do you think this would be beneficial? Any thoughts on how best to present the material? I would appreciate your help, and am eager to hear from you. Thanks!! Tom From ???@??? Tue Nov 04 10:25:36 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 4 07:26:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSkry-0004lm-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:26:18 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971104102349.0070ce7c@dharma.mitre.org> X-Sender: seligman@dharma.mitre.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 10:23:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Len Seligman Subject: Re: Echoplex user's guide In-Reply-To: <97Nov4.084448cst.26882@gateway.gibson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"9oRypD.A.F0D.vyzX0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1050 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:26:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 5294cfb32bd6a425cb82f8252e883df8 At 08:43 AM 11/4/97 -0600, you wrote: >Hello All- > >In preparation for the next production run of Echoplex units, I thought it >might be helpful to amend the Owner's Manual with any tips or tricks that >anyone may have discovered. I would like to have a chapter devoted to >applications of the Echoplex from all musician's who use it - DJ's, >percussionists, horns, woodwinds, strings, etc. We would compile these >techniques and either add them to the existing manual or publish a separate >User's Guide. Do you think this would be beneficial? Any thoughts on how >best to present the material? I would appreciate your help, and am eager to >hear from you. Thanks!! > >Tom Tom, The user's guide is a great idea. I'd keep it separate from the manual, so it could be more informal, since I suspect that much of what appears in it will be anectodal lore from individual users (very valuable nevertheless!). One plea, though: please don't hold up production at all for the guide to be finished. Much better to get the units out and then make the guide available at a later date. Many of us are just *dying* to get our hands on our 'plexes, the sooner, the better. I've got a group in which two Brother Sync'd 'plexes are essential to the concept; we need to have two of them before we can gig. (Perhaps include a postcard order form in the box with units that are shipped before the guide is ready. It can also be made available over the web.) Thanks a lot! -Len From ???@??? Wed Nov 05 10:37:05 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 01:51:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xT273-00027t-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 01:51:01 -0800 From: "Salvatore Passaro" To: Subject: R: Jamman vs Echoplex: who wins? Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 16:42:33 +0100 Message-ID: <01bce938$444f0140$5a010196@passaro> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"KSGc1C.A.ZiB.K-DY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1061 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 01:51:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 407a48d33f2c9a28ecfd4eca952e9406 >At present, we do not have CE approval for the Echoplex, so we cannot >legally offer it in Europe. We are working on this, and when we do get CE >approval, the distributor for all of Europe is Viscount in Rimini (or >thereabouts), Italy. > >Ciao, > >Tom > Could I get it from USA? Is echoplex sold actually with loop III v5.0? I have had a bad experience two years ago in Italy, when the distributor wasn't Viscount. I bought two echoplex but none have gone well. It seemed a problem with the software. They gave back my money. Now that I thought to buy echoplex another time, it is very sad to listen that you say about CE approval. Bye, Salvatore Passaro. From ???@??? Tue Nov 04 10:25:50 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 4 10:13:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSnTz-0003YZ-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:13:43 -0800 X-Sender: nicomonguzzi@mail.vtx.ch Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:43:59 +0100 To: Loopers Delight * Mail List From: "nicomonguzzi" Subject: Jamman vs Echoplex: who wins? Resent-Message-ID: <"sqZWWD.A.cPC.RM2X0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1051 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:13:43 -0800 X-UIDL: bd09ed676bfed82fd38bd48a80d0e437 Hello all ! Just a few questions: all the messages about the echoplex are keeping my attention to this unit, i've dwnloaded the user's guide from the Oberheim site at http://www.Gibson.com , and i discovered a lot of cool things i can't do with my Jamman, so here's the questions: Which is the best ? The Echoplex is available in Europe? I'm waiting for any comments... ciao nicos From ???@??? Tue Nov 04 19:13:05 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 4 12:05:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSpDV-0004IW-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:04:49 -0800 From: "future perfect" To: Subject: Plex Pedals???? Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:33:54 -0500 Message-ID: <01bce950$346dd540$1905afcf@artmusic> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"n_bIe.A.b0C.F13X0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1053 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:04:49 -0800 X-UIDL: d37f19388bf122b797129075989b1457 While I wait for my Plex to be shipped, I have a few questions.... 1. What brand Volume/CC pedals do you use? 2. How many are needed to get the most out of the unit? 3. What parameters do they control? Thanks for any info- Dave EIchenberger ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 "Better to be present with a bad note, than absent from a good one" -Robert Fripp From ???@??? Tue Nov 04 19:13:33 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 4 14:44:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSrhY-0006qU-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:44:00 -0800 X-Sender: paulpop@marlin.ssnet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Phd) Subject: Re: Jamman vs Echoplex: who wins? Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:03:58 -0800 Resent-Message-ID: <"B2Ng2B.A.GMF.jK6X0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1055 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:44:00 -0800 X-UIDL: e7590bcca7ec12c06f2ba03106df95a7 Please I emplore us not to go off on a rant about the relative merits of unit to unit again ... the last time we did this not only was it not useful but boring. Let's just leave it at economics at this point ... the JMan is no longer manufactured, difficult therefore to find one used, but if you do, it will be much less expensive than the still manufactured Echoplex, though the 'plex has more variety. At 6:43 PM 11/4/97, nicomonguzzi wrote: >Hello all ! >Just a few questions: >all the messages about the echoplex are keeping my attention to this unit, >i've dwnloaded the user's guide from the Oberheim site at >http://www.Gibson.com , and i discovered a lot of cool things i can't do >with my Jamman, so here's the questions: >Which is the best ? >The Echoplex is available in Europe? > >I'm waiting for any comments... > >ciao nicos °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°° Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. email = ppoplawski@state.de.us or paulpop@ssnet.com phone (service) = 302/737-4491 weekday office = 302/577-4980 From ???@??? Tue Nov 04 19:13:01 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 4 11:43:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSosn-0001o9-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:43:25 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <"PLvPOD.A.ISB.ldOX0"@ferret> Conversation <"PLvPOD.A.ISB.ldOX0"@ferret> with last message <"PLvPOD.A.ISB.ldOX0"@ferret> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:22:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: echoplex questions (was Closing the loop) Resent-Message-ID: <"gW38V.A.nK.cd3X0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1052 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:43:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 871c1583aee3bc34d988888aaf41e628 Chris - check the info on the website on the echoplex, I think many of your questions are answered in the FAQ there. I'll try to answer some here anyway: At 9:25 AM -0800 11/2/97, Chris Darrow wrote: >Question 1: While investigating what it would take to upgrade the pitifull >4 meg of ram in my older 486 IBM, I was told that sometimes, when adding >simms, they can work at different speeds even though they are supposedly >the exact same type. In other words, it is better to replace all of the >memory insted of just adding to it. Is the same true of the echoplex? Will >I possibly run into problems by expanding the memory myself, which is much >cheeper and easier? Can anyone provide me with the full technical >specifications needed to avoid any conflict between old memory and new? The echoplex uses 30 pin simms. It can take 256k, 1meg, and 4meg, and every variety should work. (parity or non-parity, 8-chip, 9-chip, 2-chip, 3-chip, whatever) The only speed requirement is that they be faster than 120ns, which is everything I think. There are four simm sockets, in 2 banks of 2. You need to install the memory in pairs, so each bank should have the same size simms. It probably doesn't matter if you mix different speeds, it's only size that counts. Memory is so cheap now, that you will likely just upgrade them to the maximum memory limit. The max is four 4 meg simms, which gives you 198 seconds. 4 meg simms are typically between $16 and $25 each. (Compared to when the plex was made, and those cost $250 each! a maxed echoplex was so decadent then...) >Question 2: Well, I guess I'll need to tell you a bit of my story for >this... I've been waiting for 3 echoplexes for almost a year now. All I can >say is that Oberheim really has the delay part down! Yet I've never toyed >with one myself. Crazy? No. Calculated. There's nothing beter. I know how >they work by thinking about them, or how they should work. What I want to >know is: Am I right? > I want to play bass, guitar, and sax at the same time. Actually, it >goes further than that. The sax will be played through a mike that can be >used for a snare drum, harp, vocals or anything else (how is the static >build up for overdubs by mic?). I'll switch from guitar to keys via an A+B >footswitch. A Roland PMA will begin some songs or provide a bridge to keep >things interesting. Three units are needed to A)seporate the diferent >sounds so that each has its own stereo amplification specifically for it's >tonal region, ie; bass to a bass cab. and B) so that I can start a short >loop, build a longer one on another unit, then alter the first or dittle >with the third. Also for changing from tune to tune using the reverse of >this process. So the ultimate question is, will I be able to synch and >close the loops between three units on the fly? Or will I be forced to >slave them? If it is a matter of physical coordination, I think I can. >I've been stomping on an invisible box for mounths. (A row of pennies >suffices) Also, practicing matching notes with left hand tapping on guitar >and right hand on keys or sax. Or sax and keys. All just tricks really, but >fun. What you are trying to do is exactly what BrotherSync is for. BrotherSync allows any of the units to define the time base, which the others then listen to. The other units can then have loop times that sync up exactly or are some multiple of the original. So you could do a 5 second loop on one to define the base time, and then a 10 second loop on the second, and a fifteen second loop on the third, etc. Each of the BrotherSynced units can be operated independently, by just you or multiple people. Also, you can sync to midi clock. So an external sequencer or something can generate midi clock, and the echoplexes can set their loop times to that and sync up to it. This doesn't mean they are slaved to anything, they just use the clock. echoplex also generates midi clock, so you can have the loop time set the tempo for a sequencer. Now if you want to slave them together over midi, you can do that too. You could also do a combination. So you could have two units set up as a master/slave pair for a stereo loop, syncing to midi clock from external or BrotherSynced to another echoplex or whatever. We spent a ton of time making sure this all works, by the way. You definitely want the upgraded software for the best results. >Question 3: Kim. Why no "Previous Loop" button? Is there at least a mode >which will limmit the possble loops from 1 to 2, or even to 3, so that >"Next Loop" gets you back to 1 without going through dead loops? I'm I >thinking of it wrong? Most conventional songs are in one to three parts. >So I assume there is some way to mimic this, if one chooses, on the Plex. Being unconventional people, we let you have anywhere from 1 to 9 loops. Why is 3 so special anyway? You set the number of loops you want between 1 and 9 with the "MoreLoops" parameter. There are a variety of ways to switch between loops, but yes you can switch between say loop 6 and loop 4 without going through all of the others in between. One way is by using the mode that synchronizes the loop switching to the end of the loop, so that you have a waiting period before you actually switch. During that time you press NextLoop until the one you want to go to is displayed, and then it goes there when you get to the end of the current loop. That works pretty well for this, as long as you don't use really short loops. During that wait time you can also set it up to copy audio or copy the time base into the new loop, or you can tell it to start a function when it gets there, like overdub or record or multiply or whatever. There is also a similar sort of sync mode called "confirm" that doesn't switch until you press the confirm button, which is undo in this instance. So you would press NextLoop until it displays the loop you want to go to, then press Undo to go there. The better way to switch loops to me is with midi, where you treat it more like a sampler. Then you can have a key on a keyboard for each loop, press it and jump there instantly. The fun thing there is that it is very sampler like. You can turn velocitity on, so that the loop volume is controlled by how hard you press the key on the keyboard. You can also set it so that instead of the loop going on and on, it is only on while you hold the key down. Or you can set it to just trigger the loop and play it once. (and retrigger each time you hit the key again, for stuttering effects) hope that answers your questions, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Nov 04 19:13:07 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 4 12:14:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSpMS-0005Mc-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:14:04 -0800 Message-Id: <97Nov4.140150cst.26883@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:01:13 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: Re: Jamman vs Echoplex: who wins? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"HVagNB.A.5nD.973X0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1054 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:14:04 -0800 X-UIDL: aec5dab9964e3404c0b6240504d2f019 Nico- There is no best, only what is best for you. I work for Gibson, my main guitar is a Tele. It has the sounds I need for most of the styles I am asked to play. When I need a Gibson sound, I use my ES-350T or Nighthawk. The Echoplex may be just what you need, less than you need, or more than you need. At present, we do not have CE approval for the Echoplex, so we cannot legally offer it in Europe. We are working on this, and when we do get CE approval, the distributor for all of Europe is Viscount in Rimini (or thereabouts), Italy. Ciao, Tom At 11:43 AM 11/4/97 -0600, you wrote: >Hello all ! >Just a few questions: >all the messages about the echoplex are keeping my attention to this unit, >i've dwnloaded the user's guide from the Oberheim site at >http://www.Gibson.com , and i discovered a lot of cool things i can't do >with my Jamman, so here's the questions: >Which is the best ? >The Echoplex is available in Europe? > >I'm waiting for any comments... > >ciao nicos > > > > > From ???@??? Tue Nov 04 19:13:37 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 4 15:13:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSsAS-00027i-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:13:52 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971104225756.0068bcec@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 14:57:56 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Jamman vs Echoplex: who wins? Resent-Message-ID: <"uH9yVD.A.QMB.Cp6X0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1056 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 15:13:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 5d868e73c4c55caa2fad09928fae6230 There is an echoplex/jamman feature comparison on the Looper's Delight web site, since lots of people seem to have this question. It could be more complete, but it should help you to see some of the differences between the two. (If anyone has suggestions to add to the comparison, by all means step forward....) kim At 02:01 PM 11/4/97 -0600, you wrote: >Nico- >There is no best, only what is best for you. I work for Gibson, my main >guitar is a Tele. It has the sounds I need for most of the styles I am >asked to play. When I need a Gibson sound, I use my ES-350T or Nighthawk. > >The Echoplex may be just what you need, less than you need, or more than >you need. > >At present, we do not have CE approval for the Echoplex, so we cannot >legally offer it in Europe. We are working on this, and when we do get CE >approval, the distributor for all of Europe is Viscount in Rimini (or >thereabouts), Italy. > >Ciao, > >Tom > > >At 11:43 AM 11/4/97 -0600, you wrote: >>Hello all ! >>Just a few questions: >>all the messages about the echoplex are keeping my attention to this unit, >>i've dwnloaded the user's guide from the Oberheim site at >>http://www.Gibson.com , and i discovered a lot of cool things i can't do >>with my Jamman, so here's the questions: >>Which is the best ? >>The Echoplex is available in Europe? >> >>I'm waiting for any comments... >> >>ciao nicos >> >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Nov 04 23:18:43 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 4 20:18:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSwv5-00052g-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:18:19 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bce950$346dd540$1905afcf@artmusic> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:07:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Plex Pedals???? Resent-Message-ID: <"hGmDC.A.NJE.nH_X0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1058 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:18:19 -0800 X-UIDL: 1d70df8b198f7bcd3554a5b902c425dc At 1:33 PM -0500 11/4/97, future perfect wrote: >While I wait for my Plex to be shipped, I have a few questions.... > >1. What brand Volume/CC pedals do you use? I use a Boss FV-50L for the feedback jack on the back. It works well. Although, something with a linear taper instead of audio might feel a little better for feedback, but it's not a big deal. It's fine when in delay or out mode, where that jack controls volumes. For CC, I use 2 Roland EV-5 pedals into a midi controller pedal, which generates the continuous controller messages. > >2. How many are needed to get the most out of the unit? > >3. What parameters do they control? The pedal in the back changes functions for different modes. In loop mode: feedback In Delay mode: input volume to the delay In Out mode: output volume from the loop you can use one midi CC to control Feedback and one to control Loop out volume. These work the same in any mode. I sort of like this way better, because I can have different pedal presets that set predefined feedback levels, or redefine the pedals for other effects. It also lets you control feedback and loop volume independently, with your feet. kim >Thanks for any info- >Dave EIchenberger > >********************************************************************* >'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: >http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 >"Better to be present with a bad note, than absent from a good one" -Robert >Fripp ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Nov 04 23:18:51 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 4 22:06:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xSybZ-0004sD-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:06:17 -0800 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:00:36 -0800 (PST) From: Andre LaFosse To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Footpedal replacement parts Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"fO_2m.A.FKE.stAY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1059 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:06:17 -0800 X-UIDL: d3ed33b7bce6a446b9d9b3b4d79fbb93 Hello all -- I need technical specifications on exactly what part or parts need to be ordered in order to replace the Record switch on the Echoplex footpedal. In a strictly technical sense, what do I need to tell the casier at the local music store to order? I've also heard that metal switches can be used, which are somewhat more expensive (though, at the $2.00 price I've heard, it's hardly prohibitive) but are more sturdy than the plastic ones which come factory loaded. Any details on these? Again, it's the Record switch that I need to replace. I have an impending audition next Monday with the plex, and since I may have to special-order the part, I'd appreciate any info on what I need to track down (and where I might be most likely to find it) ASAP. Thanks in advance, --Andre From ???@??? Wed Nov 05 10:37:01 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 4 23:54:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xT0I4-0003z5-00; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 23:54:16 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 23:46:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Footpedal replacement parts Resent-Message-ID: <"IpSNqD.A.VUD.vSCY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1060 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 23:54:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 1d46b2835ce8bc8013dd849e6da28339 At 10:00 PM -0800 11/4/97, Andre LaFosse wrote: >Hello all -- > >I need technical specifications on exactly what part or parts need to be >ordered in order to replace the Record switch on the Echoplex footpedal. >In a strictly technical sense, what do I need to tell the casier at the >local music store to order? you're probably wasting your time to try and get it at a music store. Oberheim gets them from Mouser, which anybody can buy from. Mouser could fedex the switch to you tomorrow. I don't know the part number, I guess Oberheim could tell you. I think they only cost about $.50 or so. You could buy a bunch and have spares for life! http://www.mouser.com > I've also heard that metal switches can be >used, which are somewhat more expensive (though, at the $2.00 price I've >heard, it's hardly prohibitive) but are more sturdy than the plastic ones >which come factory loaded. Any details on these? The feel of the switch is very important, and all the switches I've tried are different. So just picking anything would be a shot in the dark as to whether it's right. It's critical for record, since you really need to feel when you contact to get the timing right. And the only way to know it's right is to put it in a footpedal and stomp on it a bunch of times. You probably don't want to mess with this right before an audition! I've never been able to come up with a good replacement to suggest for this sort of thing. I always end up back with the cheap red switch from mouser, which actually works quite well. I think I tried several made by Otto that were pretty good too. I keep hoping someone will discover the perfect switch and reveal it for all the rest of us.... And $2 would be a high volume price for industrial switches like these. The price to buy one would be much higher (and they might not be willing to even bother), unless you convince them that you are a major manufacturer and they give you free samples. (Of course I would never condone something like that.....) If you want to mess around with it, here are some good manufacturers to try: Otto 708-428-7171 http://www.ottoeng.com/pushbttn.html (lots of good ones) marquardt 315-655-8050 http://www.switches.com/ C&K 617-926-6400 http://www.ckcorp.com/ Switchcraft http://www.switchcraft.com/re/swc/ grayhill 708-354-1040 http://www.grayhill.com/products/pshbttn/pshbttn.htm a few distributors: Cal Switch: http://www.calswitch.com/ (links to lots of mfg with data sheets online) Digikey http://www.digikey.com/ Mouser: http://www.mouser.com/ Didn't have time to find websites for these guys: Arcolectric 818-700-1933 Carlingswitch 203-793-9281 Direct Sound Corp 617-542-9700 EAO 203-877-4577 E-Switch 612-375-9639 idec 408-747-0550 ITW 312-282-4040 lamb 503-297-8878 NKK 602-991-0942 hope this helps, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Nov 05 10:37:07 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 02:14:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xT2TP-0003bc-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 02:14:07 -0800 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 05:04:29 -0500 (EST) From: CORROSIVE@aol.com Message-ID: <971105014834_-1157793963@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Boomerang Reviews Resent-Message-ID: <"hu9MMD.A.ZlC.1TEY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1062 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 02:14:07 -0800 X-UIDL: aee3aaaef8249d3eb1a4cf5cc01d9f77 any owner reviews of the boomerang looper? I have the jamman & echoplex pro, but some of the boomerang features seem cool on paper... From ???@??? Wed Nov 05 10:37:10 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 02:44:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xT2wz-0005YB-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 02:44:41 -0800 Sender: camao@camsg001.camb.scee.sony.co.uk Message-ID: <34604CAB.446B@scee.sony.co.uk> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 10:38:35 +0000 From: Os X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Collective at Omsk Club, November 6th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UUqc2D.A.t5E.fzEY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1063 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 02:44:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 5466f8dd3183f1e179f92b74ad7c3aa9 A rather last-minute announcement: There will be plenty of looping going on, from the band Collective at the Omsk music/film/art club at 333 Old Street, London, on November 6th, 9pm - 3am. For more details: http://webworlds.net/os/collective/ http://www.backspace.org/volcano/omsk.html -- Os os@millennium.co.uk http://webworlds.net/os/ From ???@??? Wed Nov 05 10:37:50 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 10:20:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTA3m-0005PP-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:20:10 -0800 X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:18:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Fwd: loopers delight page Resent-Message-ID: <"TVAkL.A.sXE.RcLY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1064 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:20:10 -0800 X-UIDL: cef35e7a879ceac39d09f9a6f966042c I'm forwarding this post from yesterday regarding purchasing JamMan memory upgrade chips Later Ed >Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 22:34:39 -0500 >To: ejmd@erols.com >From: Harris Newman >Subject: loopers delight page >Hi - just an addition (if you're interested) for the JamMan page. I just >bought the 32 second memory upgrade from Visionsoft (www.visionsoft.com) >The 4 chips (micron MT4C4001JZ) were $7.95 each plus shipping. I shopped >around a fair bit, but I don't think anyone can beat $30 and change for the >whole deal. > >Harris > From ???@??? Wed Nov 05 10:37:52 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 10:30:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTADW-0006Zo-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:30:14 -0800 X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:24:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Fripp soundscapes In December Resent-Message-ID: <"h75QuC.A.c9E.XiLY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1065 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:30:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 5489a2907e0353af4eeb3c2ea6d5bde9 This was in the most recent Elephant Talk, regarding Soundscapes performances by Robert Fripp in December: > On the afternoon of Saturday 6th. December (14.30 - 17.00) there is >a Soundscapes performance in Newlyn Church, Cornwall, with artwork by John >Miller and Peter Willis, to benefit a local special needs learning group >which has had its funding cut. The group will perform following the >Soundscapes. > > The following day John Sinks, FOH and equipment tech, and myself >fly to Alexandria, Virginia, for a short tour of Soundscapes on the East >Coast. These are billed as: > >Fripp Alone - An Evening of Space Music > >The confirmed dates are: > > Wed. 10 Dec. Alexandria, VA Birchmere > Thur. 11 Dec. Philadelphia, PA Painted Bride Arts Center > Fri. 12 Dec. Philadelphia, PA Painted Bride Arts Center > Sat. 13 Dec. New York, NY Bottom Line > > It is likely that Boston will be added shortly. later Ed From ???@??? Wed Nov 05 10:37:53 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 10:37:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTAKC-0007Jx-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:37:08 -0800 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F2F50A0@MAIL> From: David Kirkdorffer To: 'Tom Spaulding' , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: EDP "Tips & Tricks" Pamphlet Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:26:49 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"afiimC.A.spF.coLY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1066 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:37:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 2dd5ec24d1954d7f3516633019ffa18f Adding a "tips and tricks" pamphlet - separate from the manual -- seems like a great idea to me. What a wonderful way to explore some of the many different EDP uses. I would suggest requesting limiting submissions to 1-page and using a standard format or categories to help keep information focused and complete. 1. Overview / What this set-up does 2. System Requirements Memory / Available Loop Time Internal Settings: Specific Presets 3. Other? 4. Other? 5. Here's what you do...(step-by-step instructions) 6. Name / e-mail of person submitting "tip"?? I remember a class in high-school which we all were asked to give step-by-step instructions to make a peanut butter sandwich. You'd think it was obvious. So did we. The teacher specified that we would get to eat what our instructions lead our partner to make. Initially, quite an incentive... Things got very messy and maybe 4-5 out of 20 or so kids got to each a decent sandwich. The rest of us asked if we could just clean up the mess we'd helped create rather than eat it... Moral: Giving instruction is hard. D. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Spaulding [SMTP:tspauldi@gibson.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 1997 9:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Hello All- In preparation for the next production run of Echoplex units, I thought it might be helpful to amend the Owner's Manual with any tips or tricks that anyone may have discovered. I would like to have a chapter devoted to applications of the Echoplex from all musician's who use it - DJ's, percussionists, horns, woodwinds, strings, etc. We would compile these techniques and either add them to the existing manual or publish a separate User's Guide. Do you think this would be beneficial? Any thoughts on how best to present the material? I would appreciate your help, and am eager to hear from you. Thanks!! Tom From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 02:08:49 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 13:36:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTD7W-0001j4-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:36:14 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971105162622.0071fb34@dharma.mitre.org> X-Sender: seligman@dharma.mitre.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 16:26:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Len Seligman Subject: Guitar rig advice wanted In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"amdREB.A.5J.rMOY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1067 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:36:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 31d66eb37bd7c2ee2c07d50f06c5dd15 I'm thinking putting an electric guitar and miscellaneous other things (guitar synth, mandolin with a transducer pickup, vocal mike) through a mixer, an Echoplex, and then on to a PA board. Question: is there any way to do this and have the electric guitar sound good? Currently, I have a '62 Strat that I play through an all tube Fender Hod Rod Deluxe and it sounds *great*. I play it with only a trace of distortion, and I love the sound. Is there any way to get anything remotely close without using a guitar amp? (I once used a SansAmp for recording purposes, and I thought the sound was bad compared to miking the guitar amp.) If not, then I fear the only thing I'll be able to loop will be my guitar, or else I'll have to send the other stuff through the guitar amp, which is not known for great sound for anything but a guitar. (I can't afford two Echoplexes for just me.) Thanks for any ideas you might have. -Len From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 02:08:57 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 14:08:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTDcy-0004wE-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:08:44 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971105215053.009bdaa0@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 13:50:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Guitar rig advice wanted Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"TM6v7C.A.VgD.juOY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1068 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:08:44 -0800 X-UIDL: 03fa3c6227414740f9bd4e6d69db5953 I'd say, keep using the fender amp for the guitar, disconnect the speaker, and run the speaker outputs to a THD Hotplate. The THD provides a speaker-like load for the amp so it still sounds and works right, and outputs a line level signal which you can run to your mixer, which goes to the looper, and then to the PA. That should keep your guitar sound reasonably close to what you have, while still giving you a full PA for the other stuff. Another idea is to get some sort of rack mount guitar preamp and run it into an ADA Ampulator, which seems to be the best thing for simulating tube power amps. Then you have a good sounding line level signal, which should play nice with the other stuff. You're on the right track, guitar amps don't really cut it for looping. The other half of it is when you have a loop running through the guitar amp, it interferes with any additional guitar and hurts the direct tone. kim At 04:26 PM 11/5/97 -0500, Len Seligman wrote: >I'm thinking putting an electric guitar and miscellaneous other things >(guitar synth, mandolin with a transducer pickup, vocal mike) through a >mixer, an Echoplex, and then on to a PA board. Question: is there any way >to do this and have the electric guitar sound good? Currently, I have a '62 >Strat that I play through an all tube Fender Hod Rod Deluxe and it sounds >*great*. I play it with only a trace of distortion, and I love the sound. >Is there any way to get anything remotely close without using a guitar amp? >(I once used a SansAmp for recording purposes, and I thought the sound was >bad compared to miking the guitar amp.) > >If not, then I fear the only thing I'll be able to loop will be my guitar, >or else I'll have to send the other stuff through the guitar amp, which is >not known for great sound for anything but a guitar. (I can't afford two >Echoplexes for just me.) > >Thanks for any ideas you might have. > >-Len > > > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 02:08:58 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 14:20:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTDoI-00069s-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:20:26 -0800 Date: 5 Nov 1997 22:10:24 -0000 Message-ID: <19971105221024.8534.qmail@omni1.voicenet.com> From: floyd@voicenet.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar rig advice wanted Resent-Message-ID: <"W9j_fD.A.k0E.i7OY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1069 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:20:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 45a89abe4d6403a51a3c9bf339beb768 What model SansAmp did you try? I have a rack-mount PSA-1 SansAmp and I love it. I found miking and Amp such a hassle and really was not happy with the results. Maybe after a year and a half I've forgotten what the sound of a real amp is like but.... I'm happy with the PSA-1. Perhaps it depends on the kind of sound you're expecting. From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 02:09:02 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 15:21:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTEli-0004NG-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:21:50 -0800 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:13:22 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar rig advice wanted In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971105162622.0071fb34@dharma.mitre.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"KVd43D.A.9GD.I0PY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1070 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:21:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 19969b6df77832d6f03ae3ec54041013 You could try making a "line out" for the guitar amp. It won't capture the sound of the speaker, but it should get the basic flavor of the amp, at least (it also won't silence the speaker, if that matters to you). Get a little project box. It needs on 1/4" jack going in, and two 1/4" jacks going out. The input jack should be connected to the regular speaker jack on your amp (use the same grade of wire for this that you would for speakers!). For the two output jacks, wire them in parallel. Put a 1000 ohm 5 watt resistor in series with one of the jacks. This is the line out. You should be able to plug it directly into mixers, effects, etc. Make sure the speaker is plugged into the other jack! It is bad for tube amps to not receive a proper load. This circuit should have negligible effect on the sound of your amp and speaker, and require no internal modifications that might hurt the value of your vintage amp. It also gets all the sound of the amp/speaker interaction and the power tubes, which is what makes classic amps sound so great. It won't get the last bit of "air" from the actual cone, but it's close. It'll cost you about ten bucks in parts at Radio Shack, and a little bit of time with a soldering iron, and requires almost NO electronics knowledge! Try it and see. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 02:09:01 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 15:21:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTElL-0004Kw-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:21:27 -0800 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:18:44 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar rig advice wanted In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971105215053.009bdaa0@pop.chromatic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"itOBQC.A.qHD.N0PY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1071 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:21:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 3a282296e5ac2c3279645db37d570017 On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Kim Flint wrote: > I'd say, keep using the fender amp for the guitar, disconnect the speaker, > and run the speaker outputs to a THD Hotplate. The THD provides a > speaker-like load for the amp so it still sounds and works right, and > outputs a line level signal which you can run to your mixer, which goes to > the looper, and then to the PA. That should keep your guitar sound > reasonably close to what you have, while still giving you a full PA for the > other stuff. Kim's solution is better. Mine is cheaper. :} The Marshall Powerbrake works well, too, as do some other products. Those are best if you don't want to hear the original speaker at all, which may well be true for looping. > You're on the right track, guitar amps don't really cut it for looping. The > other half of it is when you have a loop running through the guitar amp, it > interferes with any additional guitar and hurts the direct tone. That's the nice thing about both solutions offered... neither one uses a guitar effects loop, which usually doesn't sound taht great. Both can go straight to stereo power amps, mixers, etc. You can try my solution along with a big 8 ohm non-inductive resistor for a speaker load, but it won't sound much like a real speaker. Speakers are inductive, capacitative, and generate back EMF which influences the sound of the amp itself. :( -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 02:09:08 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 16:57:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTGG7-0006FT-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:57:19 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCEA23.789C5EC0@jbrainin@interactive.net> From: Jonathan Brainin To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Guitar rig advice wanted Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:20:06 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4008 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"GfiMC.A.-9E.JPRY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1074 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:57:19 -0800 X-UIDL: e6c959fbdc777d74e828e0e16e1103cf On Wednesday, November 05, 1997 4:26 PM, Len Seligman [SMTP:seligman@mitre.org] wrote: > is there anyway to do this and have the electric guitar sound good? > Currently, I have a '62 Strat that I play through an all tube Fender Hod > Rod Deluxe and it sounds *great*. I play it with only a trace of distortion, > and I love the sound. Is there any way to get anything remotely close > without using a guitar amp? Try either a Roland GP-100 or a Boss Gx-700. They should be easily bought for between $500-700. Jonathan Brainin jbrainin@interactive.net From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 02:09:04 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 15:43:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTF6E-0006Ya-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:43:02 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971105233313.00924620@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 15:33:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Guitar rig advice wanted Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"YyYkxC.A.NQF.fJQY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1072 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:43:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 0594e683571c19c8c65476ef1e37a0a5 Another trick along this same line is to remove the paper cone from the speaker. It still loads the amp pretty much the same, but it doesn't make any sound. Then with Dave's little line out box, you're set. Of course, you might want to do this with a second speaker before you destroy the one you have. also, with the line out box, I think you want two resistors to make a voltage divider. the second one would go after the series R and connect to ground. Just one resistor in series with the jack could still give you a pretty large voltage swing, likely to clip in a line level circuit. The value of the second R would set the level of the line signal, so that will probably depend on the amp. You might even use a pot. kim At 04:13 PM 11/5/97 -0600, Dave Stagner wrote: >You could try making a "line out" for the guitar amp. It won't capture >the sound of the speaker, but it should get the basic flavor of the amp, >at least (it also won't silence the speaker, if that matters to you). > >Get a little project box. It needs on 1/4" jack going in, and two 1/4" >jacks going out. The input jack should be connected to the regular >speaker jack on your amp (use the same grade of wire for this that you >would for speakers!). For the two output jacks, wire them in parallel. >Put a 1000 ohm 5 watt resistor in series with one of the jacks. This is >the line out. You should be able to plug it directly into mixers, >effects, etc. Make sure the speaker is plugged into the other jack! It >is bad for tube amps to not receive a proper load. > >This circuit should have negligible effect on the sound of your amp and >speaker, and require no internal modifications that might hurt the value >of your vintage amp. It also gets all the sound of the amp/speaker >interaction and the power tubes, which is what makes classic amps sound so >great. It won't get the last bit of "air" from the actual cone, but it's >close. It'll cost you about ten bucks in parts at Radio Shack, and a >little bit of time with a soldering iron, and requires almost NO >electronics knowledge! > >Try it and see. > >-dave > >By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. >Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. >Venus De Milo. >To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ > -Charles Fort > > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 02:09:08 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 16:35:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTFur-00040V-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:35:21 -0800 X-ROUTED: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:24:48 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Rainham From: "G. Peterson" To: Subject: Using Mod Wheel as a Volume Control Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:17:17 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit message-id: TCPSMTP_GEN.12376.16222@204.138.111.66 Resent-Message-ID: <"ejAGVD.A.D1C.P6QY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1073 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:35:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 19adfc923558e8e8f3640f1593d52943 Hi all, I have a question directed to the keyboard loopers out there. I have an old midi synth I am using. Just about everything is midi capable except the volume slider. I am creating and editing my performance loops on Performer 3.6 running on an old mac se. Is there a simple way I can select something in the performer sequencer that will allow me to play live volume moves into the sequencer while I am tracking/recording? Cheers and thanks, Gordon From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 02:09:20 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 20:48:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTJrV-0003fB-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:48:09 -0800 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:38:53 -0500 (EST) From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <971105180725_1624380565@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Jamman vs Echoplex: who wins? Resent-Message-ID: <"7nzpF.A.XuC.poUY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1075 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:48:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 461c6b7bf494cdf668cbbdf34dc0c0be In a message dated 11/4/97 1:09:36 PM, you wrote: <> Neither. The musician makes the tools the tools don't make the musician. From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 02:09:24 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 5 23:02:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTLxm-00065V-00; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:02:46 -0800 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:55:20 -0500 (EST) From: Squidlyguy@aol.com Message-ID: <971106015520_1547703543@mrin45.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: The Orb... Resent-Message-ID: <"FxAKjC.A.HJF.VoWY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1076 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:02:46 -0800 X-UIDL: f239714bcfc8dabe56c32f6376d68052 Hey guys, I'm really into Torn, Fripp, Abercrombie, Frisell, Eno, etc. I've heard about The Orb, but don't know what they're like. Kinda like Ozric Tentacles meets Eno, maybe?! Who else might anyone recommend to satiate my desire for tasteful looping (I can't find a copy of Polytown anywhere!!!). Thanks for any help... Brian From ???@??? Fri Nov 07 09:49:46 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 22:58:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTiNE-0007eY-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 22:58:32 -0800 Message-Id: <199711061806.KAA08908@scv3.apple.com> Subject: Re: Digitech RDS 800 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 97 12:10:50 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"Mlm6pB.A.deG.hprY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1093 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 22:58:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 84d025414c2d016c30426f3da298ed43 >Anyone know what this is? I saw one at a local music store used for >$125. >It says "Time Machine" on it and I believe the model number is RDS >800..or >RDS 8000..I have seen references to it on this list before but can't >recall if it Yes, it can be used as a looper. You can't sync to MIDI or anything, so it ends up functioning as an 8-second delay with footswitchable infinite hold. I believe it also has a sample trigger mode. I've been looking for one for a while, so if you decide to pass, please forward the number of the store. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 10:06:15 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 05:09:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTRgq-0003xl-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 05:09:40 -0800 From: "paul.davies" Alternate-Recipient: allowed Auto-Forwarded: prohibited Content-Return: allowed Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Conversion: allowed Importance: normal Priority: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Subject: Re: The Orb... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-Id: <971106130213.701@pserv.avri.bbsrc.ac.uk.0> X-Dmw-Body-Names: Re: The Orb... Date: Thu, 6 Nov 97 13:02:13 +0000 X-Mailer: MailWorks 2.0-4 Resent-Message-ID: <"Tz-go.A.1OD.NAcY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1077 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 05:09:40 -0800 X-UIDL: 88aa62bcf6f0d922271b60331dae41bb Future Sound of London? From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 10:06:16 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 05:24:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTRvF-00059n-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 05:24:33 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971106082241.0071e0cc@dharma.mitre.org> X-Sender: seligman@dharma.mitre.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 08:22:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Len Seligman Subject: Re: Guitar rig advice wanted In-Reply-To: <19971105221024.8534.qmail@omni1.voicenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"4jlEbC.A.HKE.QNcY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1078 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 05:24:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 65f510119072dee05a49c125d10db68c At 10:10 PM 11/5/97 -0000, floyd@voicenet.com wrote: > What model SansAmp did you try? It was one of the little SansAmp boxes, not the rack mounted one. Maybe I'll check out the PSA-1. Also, how does that compare to some of the tube pre-amps that have bunches of effects too (e.g., from Rocktron, Peavey, etc.)? ART also makes a little 1/2 rack space tube pre-amp for only about $100. Has anyone tried that? Thanks for all the good ideas everybody! -Len > I have a rack-mount PSA-1 SansAmp and I love it. > I found miking and Amp such a hassle and really was not happy > with the results. Maybe after a year and a half I've forgotten > what the sound of a real amp is like but.... I'm happy with the > PSA-1. Perhaps it depends on the kind of sound you're expecting. > > > > From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 10:06:18 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 05:41:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTSC1-0006lF-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 05:41:53 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971106083152.007c0b80@popmail.voicenet.com> X-Sender: floyd@popmail.voicenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 08:31:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: Guitar rig advice wanted In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971106082241.0071e0cc@dharma.mitre.org> References: <19971105221024.8534.qmail@omni1.voicenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"njdrx.A.fbF.2acY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1079 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 05:41:53 -0800 X-UIDL: c1625f7f49ab2d8928aa1a242f8ce2af At 08:22 AM 11/6/97 -0500, you wrote: > >It was one of the little SansAmp boxes, not the rack mounted one. Maybe >I'll check out the PSA-1. Also, how does that compare to some of the tube >pre-amps that have bunches of effects too (e.g., from Rocktron, Peavey, >etc.)? ART also makes a little 1/2 rack space tube pre-amp for only about >$100. Has anyone tried that? I tured a couple preamps and found them flat or not very versatile for going right into a mixer. I preferred to use separate effects - let the PSA-1 get my basic tones and add whatever effects processors i like at any given time. **************** ********** Floyd Miller ****** floyd@voicenet.com ** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd From ???@??? Fri Nov 07 09:49:31 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 20:34:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTg7t-0003fn-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:34:33 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:09:20 +0300 Message-ID: <00004AA8.4007@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re: Digitech RDS 800 To: Loopers-Delight , Roland Eberle Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"1bIos.A.yfC.cepY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1090 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:34:33 -0800 X-UIDL: e7a18b5062ed41ae761b16ab5da61a6b RDS 8000. I have one and would not hesitate to buy another for $125. It is a good "freestyle" loop device; no midi but knobs to tweak and "destroy" the sound. Go for it. Miguel ___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________ Assunto: Digitech RDS 800 Autor: Roland Eberle na internet Data: 06/11/1997 09:36 Anyone know what this is? I saw one at a local music store used for $125. It says "Time Machine" on it and I believe the model number is RDS 800..or RDS 8000..I have seen references to it on this list before but can't recall if it can be used as a looping device or not. Any and all info would be appreciated. TIA From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 10:06:20 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 06:19:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTSm2-00006m-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 06:19:06 -0800 X-From_:nyfac2@nyfac.com Thu Nov 06 06:19:04 1997 Received: from mail2.panix.com [198.7.0.33] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTSlz-00006F-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 06:19:03 -0800 Received: from nyfac ([206.133.60.162]) by mail2.panix.com (8.8.5/8.7.1/PanixM1.0) with SMTP id JAA04601 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:18:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3461E31C.41C6@nyfac.com> Old-Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 10:32:44 -0500 From: nyfac Organization: New York Film & Animation Co. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SGoldC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang Reviews References: <971105014834_-1157793963@emout09.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 06:19:06 -0800 X-UIDL: cb3f9cf11021781fb90e38b4a7b49b26 CORROSIVE@aol.com wrote: > > any owner reviews of the boomerang looper? I have the jamman & echoplex pro, > but some of the boomerang features seem cool on paper... None that I am aware of. There is word from the lads at Sovtech that there will be a reissue of the EH 16 sec delay. That sounds like it would be the shit. Go find a 'Rang and try it out. If someone was to give it to me, I'm sure that it would find its way into my burgeoning pedalboard. Trev From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 10:06:29 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 07:58:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTUJr-00014X-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 07:58:07 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971106164924.0087a730@pop.stud.ntnu.no> X-Sender: eriklj@pop.stud.ntnu.no X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 16:49:24 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Erik Ljones Subject: Re: Guitar rig advice wanted In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971106082241.0071e0cc@dharma.mitre.org> References: <19971105221024.8534.qmail@omni1.voicenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"WVsfdB.A.7N.HceY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1080 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 07:58:07 -0800 X-UIDL: cd3fd168f32494e694c3d04abc38cf57 >Also, how does that compare to some of the tube >pre-amps that have bunches of effects too (e.g., from Rocktron, Peavey, >etc.)? I use a Roctron Voodu Valve pre-amp w/ effects. The only reason I use it is because I got a good deal on it. The pre-amp is ok, I guess, but the effects...I bypass them 99% of the time, and use my chain of old mono stompboxes and an Ensoniq dp2 for digital processing instead. The same thing goes for the effects on the Roland gp100, although I would recomend this unit before the Rocktron; It has two additional effect loops, so that you can incorporate your mono effect chains in the order you prefer. My advice: By your preamp and effects seperatly. Erik Ljones From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 20:34:19 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 13:21:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTZN0-00030s-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:21:42 -0800 Message-ID: <3461EC55.7C81@hhmi.upenn.edu> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 16:12:06 +0000 From: "Robert S. Carter" Reply-To: rsc4@hhmi.upenn.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Looping with a sampler References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BfA7EB.A.61B.tKjY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1083 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:21:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 6a6d1df317d99240527de7dcc3e71538 Basically i'm wondering whether there are any samplers (particularly the new "phrase" sampler boxes) which can loop on the fly in the style of a sampling digital delay (i.e. the JamMan). Sure all samplers loop, but in my experience (I've got an S-760) there's always a couple button presses worth of processing to be done after recording before you can play back the loop, plus you've got to trigger the sample somehow. I'm thinking about something performance friendly that immediately loops and plays back the sample. BOB. From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 10:06:38 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 09:48:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTW2n-0004Pw-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:48:37 -0800 Message-ID: <34620002.4B9B2042@ccnet.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 09:36:03 -0800 From: Roland Eberle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Digitech RDS 800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8RWSIB.A.JFD.nBgY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1081 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:48:37 -0800 X-UIDL: f267878b0cde09cc2bcfa98ec7c1bfcc Anyone know what this is? I saw one at a local music store used for $125. It says "Time Machine" on it and I believe the model number is RDS 800..or RDS 8000..I have seen references to it on this list before but can't recall if it can be used as a looping device or not. Any and all info would be appreciated. TIA From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 11:18:31 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 11:16:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTXPk-0005V3-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:16:24 -0800 Reply-To: "Stephen P. Goodman" From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Digitech RDS 800 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:01:36 -0800 Message-ID: <01bceae6$68240520$a83bd4cc@CIS.compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZGj2lC.A.KEE.hThY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1082 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:16:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 79d53ca96714ab936595f730c5bc2931 Roland Eberle asked about "Digitech RDS 800/8000": I use a Digitech 7.6-second "Time Machine" for all my looping. With a footpedal for the Open/Close Loop input, it's quite capable for studio and live loop production. Bought it in the Recycler here (LA) for $125, used, of course. :) Quite nice even in the signal path of an effects send off a mixer, enabling one to selectively drop things into the loop without much pain. The feedback can be inverted, as well. One input, three outs (Mix, Phase, Dry). Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 20:34:23 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 14:14:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTaBY-0000nl-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:13:56 -0800 Message-Id: Subject: Re: JamMan Wanted Date: Thu, 6 Nov 97 16:21:20 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Phil Diem To: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"4vKv5B.A.DHH.87jY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1085 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:13:56 -0800 X-UIDL: fa298518802bebdfe8f389e1ef8f62e4 Rouge Music has another JamMan listed for their November auction. The JamMan in the September auction went for $365, if I remember correctly. http://www.roguemusic.com/auction.html Go for it! Phil From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 20:34:22 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 14:05:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTa3d-0007gm-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:05:45 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971106213341.00745b1c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 13:33:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Looping with a sampler Resent-Message-ID: <"6w0GIC.A.a_F.VxjY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1084 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:05:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 2111ef4c8879c8aceaeaf66861d144e8 At 04:12 PM 11/6/97 +0000, Robert S. Carter wrote: >Basically i'm wondering whether there are any samplers (particularly the >new "phrase" sampler boxes) which can loop on the fly in the style of a >sampling digital delay (i.e. the JamMan). Sure all samplers loop, but in >my experience (I've got an S-760) there's always a couple button presses >worth of processing to be done after recording before you can play back >the loop, plus you've got to trigger the sample somehow. I'm thinking >about something performance friendly that immediately loops and plays >back the sample. The phrase sampler type boxes generally do allow for fast looping, just like the jamman/echoplex approach where you tap to start/stop and the sample starts looping automatically. The frustrating thing I've seen, at least with the akai stuff like the remix16, is that you can't record and play back at the same time. That limits a lot of performance applications, where you might want to sample a new audio element and add it to the currently playing loop. (overdubbing, inserting, replacing, etc.) On the other hand, those devices usually have built in sequencers which the digital delay type boxes don't have, and polyphonic loops are a given. It's interesting to see how the sampler approach to real-time looping and the digital-delay approach are moving towards each other and adopting each other's features. The devices from the sampler world like the remix16 and others now have the tap-style, easy loop capturing features that delays have long had with the "hold" button, as well as other performace features like real-time reverse, etc. And the loop devices from the digital delay background, like the echoplex, have features like loop triggering with midi, velocity sensitivity, midi sync, sample dump, etc. You can expect the lines to get more blurry.... kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 20:34:36 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 16:48:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTcb8-000740-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:48:30 -0800 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:33:39 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin Reply-To: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Gig in Baltimore Saturday night Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"JdyolC.A.j0F.vLmY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1086 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:48:30 -0800 X-UIDL: a3c5a39306683abaea2bb6a27e6b2954 The Dark Aether Project featuring yours truly on Chapman Stick (and amusing, yet sophisticated stage banter), fretted and fretless guitarist Yaman Aksu and percussionist Brian Griffin will be performing Saturday night at Tap Tech I at Orion Studios in Baltimore. This show will feature performances from several Chapman Stick and Warr Guitar players. The show starts at 9pm and has a mere $5 admission fee. I'll be letting fly with some loopiness on the trusty old Digitech Time Machine and Zoom 508. See http://www.ari.net/prog/shows/showcase/ for the full poop -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 20:34:39 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 17:49:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTdYI-0004W3-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:49:38 -0800 Message-ID: <34627276.90F@dmans.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 19:44:22 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar rig advice wanted References: <3.0.2.32.19971105162622.0071fb34@dharma.mitre.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wqcFi.A.ZaD.YFnY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1087 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:49:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 75069772768aff6b460d7fdace51a93a Len Seligman wrote: > > I'm thinking putting an electric guitar and miscellaneous other things > (guitar synth, mandolin with a transducer pickup, vocal mike) through a > mixer, an Echoplex, and then on to a PA board. Question: is there any way > to do this and have the electric guitar sound good? Currently, I have a '62 > Strat that I play through an all tube Fender Hod Rod Deluxe and it sounds > *great*. I play it with only a trace of distortion, and I love the sound. > Is there any way to get anything remotely close without using a guitar amp? > (I once used a SansAmp for recording purposes, and I thought the sound was > bad compared to miking the guitar amp.) > > If not, then I fear the only thing I'll be able to loop will be my guitar, > or else I'll have to send the other stuff through the guitar amp, which is > not known for great sound for anything but a guitar. (I can't afford two > Echoplexes for just me.) > How about miking the amp into your mixer? Then the guitar signal could be treated just like your other instruments, and looped at will. This would probably necessitate playing the guitar at a low volume to keep it in balance with the other looped sounds. Motley From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 20:34:41 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 18:36:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTeHn-0000c7-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:36:39 -0800 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:25:04 -0500 (EST) From: PainPete@aol.com Message-ID: <971106212504_129044675@mrin46.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digitech RDS 800 Resent-Message-ID: <"Vxkt4C.A.IGH.hxnY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1088 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:36:39 -0800 X-UIDL: ab5b5e66c208bd9c7e764221d56847de It is the 8000. I have one and I LOVE it. 8 seconds of delay and lots of knobs for manual real-time tweaking. It's in mono and doesn't have the sound reproduction quality of the newer boxes, but I like it better and don't want anything else. That's a good price, and I would snag it if I were you, I usually see them in the over $200 range. I also have the 1.9 second version and I put them both through my Vortex to flesh out the sound in stereo, it works beautifully. Pete In a message dated 97-11-06 15:20:29 EST, you write: << Subj: Digitech RDS 800 Date: 97-11-06 15:20:29 EST From: roland@ccnet.com (Roland Eberle) Reply-to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com (Loopers-Delight) Anyone know what this is? I saw one at a local music store used for $125. It says "Time Machine" on it and I believe the model number is RDS 800..or RDS 8000..I have seen references to it on this list before but can't recall if it can be used as a looping device or not. Any and all info would be appreciated. TIA >> From ???@??? Thu Nov 06 20:34:44 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 19:37:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTfF0-0006KA-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:37:50 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:51:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: The Orb... Resent-Message-ID: <"L-FKh.A.jJF.droY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1089 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:37:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 9c6a4879cabfcb5711d4f564301f3ad7 >Hey guys, I'm really into Torn, Fripp, Abercrombie, Frisell, Eno, etc. I've >heard about The Orb, but don't know what they're like. Kinda like Ozric >Tentacles meets Eno, maybe?! Who else might anyone recommend to satiate my >desire for tasteful looping (I can't find a copy of Polytown anywhere!!!). > Thanks for any help... > > >Brian I think the Orb are pretty much in a class of their own. Orbus Terrarum is my favorite of their records, but they're all pretty good. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Fri Nov 07 09:49:30 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 20:34:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTg7u-0003fo-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:34:34 -0800 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 22:55:40 -0500 (EST) From: TritoneDW@aol.com Message-ID: <971106225539_341930044@mrin40.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar rig advice wanted Resent-Message-ID: <"bMUNWB.A.8mC.kfpY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1091 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:34:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 48d8edd21256cdc0e4c73e7eec381709 I would like to put in my vote for the THD Hot Plate as well, although it is still preferable to get the signal through a speaker at some point. For my projects (usually done in an apartment with thin walls) I run my guitar/jamman complex through a Mesa Boogie Mk IV into the Hot Plate set on load, then the line out from that into the power amp in on a Fender R.A.D. (!!!). It sounds fantastic--the speaker rolls off a little of the brittle high end you get with direct signal. Of course, you may like the extreme high end stuff, in which case the line out straight to the board is the way to go. I got the Hot Plate last year, and now I couldn't imagine living without it. It's a critical part of my rig. Good luck and happy looping, Drew Wheeler From ???@??? Fri Nov 07 09:49:35 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 6 21:41:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTggr-0006U1-00; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:10:41 -0800 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:15:58 -0800 (PST) From: Andre LaFosse To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Lexicon looping gear for sale in LA Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"iC5vV.A.bPF.sAqY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1092 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:10:41 -0800 X-UIDL: dcb9b3736e86d457cd5ae78b50dec784 All of these are via the RECYCLER newspaper: -- Vortex for $125; call 818-761-3052 -- Another Vortex for $174; call 213-390-8073 -- JamMan for $250; call 213-662-2463 From ???@??? Fri Nov 07 09:50:30 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 7 02:19:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTlVG-0004lw-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:19:02 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCEB65.60A2AF70@PCANDREW> From: Andrew To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: looping drums,samplers etc. Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:10:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"c4k0IC.A.OME.unuY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1094 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:19:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 164c2ae2669d8b1fa3d336c1c972da88 The recent talk of samplers, and the hope that others are thinking along the same lines brings up a few questions. How many of us spend most of our time fiddling with bits of gear at home, trying to improve the quality of our music ? Our main instruments ( guitars, keys, sticks and the like ) don't pose too many problems when it comes to knowing what sound we're looking for ( whether we get it is another matter.. ) and we're fairly familiar with the gear required. But say you want to record some drum loops ? Not just your crappy drum machine but the kind of loops that sound realistic ( DJ's Shadow, Spooky, Krush, Torns's last CD all have great drum sounds - where'd they get 'em ?) I once sampled ( using the 2.5 sec one shot sampler on my Digitech Tsr24 ) the drum fade out on the first Black Sabbath album ( 'Behind the wall of Sleep' I think ) and then recorded both that and a loop from the guitar onto tape. The outcome was infinitely more pleasing than most things I'd done using an Alesis D4 drum module. The 'real' drum sounds made my efforts sound almost, well, 'real'. So, anyone want to discuss the gear required to bring the rest of our music into the real world ? Adat ? Da88 ? , Samplers ?, Computers ?, Emagic,Cubase ? All the best Andrew From ???@??? Fri Nov 07 09:50:35 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 7 05:02:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTo3X-00044h-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 05:02:35 -0800 Message-ID: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820A5A01@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> From: Haible Juergen To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: AW: Guitar rig advice wanted Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:57:01 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Dz2QNB.A.KeD.xAxY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1095 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 05:02:35 -0800 X-UIDL: f0b4c7818d4b8d0d17be6b29d8f7fa8a >Another trick along this same line is to remove the paper cone from the >speaker. It still loads the amp pretty much the same, but it doesn't make >any sound. Then with Dave's little line out box, you're set. Of course, you >might want to do this with a second speaker before you destroy the one you have. Brilliant idea !!! A few questions: (1) Has anybody tried this, or is only theory so far ? (2) You would still need some severe low pass filtering, wouldn't you? (Asuming the lowpass action of a real speaker mostly comes from its large dimensions - but I may be wrong.) (3) The interaction of the coil with the amp might be a little different, as the coil would probably move differently without the cone. Nevertheless, the idea is absolutely great, as we have a real electro-mechanical system at least. Anybody checked how lrge or how small the difference is ? JH. From ???@??? Fri Nov 07 09:50:43 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 7 07:36:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTqSF-0005CI-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 07:36:15 -0800 X-Sender: whb4@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BCEB65.60A2AF70@PCANDREW> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:27:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Walt Blackler Subject: Re: looping drums,samplers etc. Resent-Message-ID: <"WR4Lb.A.TJE.tNzY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1096 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 07:36:15 -0800 X-UIDL: a2e7e040e8acf073311e7383671a08fb This resonates with me. I am trying to do the same with a couple of Macs (gasp!) using samples of real stuff to make my own stuff (not using midi intruments or sample patches). Just trying to create original stuff. -Walt >The recent talk of samplers, and the hope that others are thinking along >the same lines brings up a few questions. How many of us spend most of our >time fiddling with bits of gear at home, trying to improve the quality of >our music ? Our main instruments ( guitars, keys, sticks and the like ) >don't pose too many problems when it comes to knowing what sound we're >looking for ( whether we get it is another matter.. ) and we're fairly >familiar with the gear required. But say you want to record some drum >loops ? Not just your crappy drum machine but the kind of loops that sound >realistic ( DJ's Shadow, Spooky, Krush, Torns's last CD all have great >drum sounds - where'd they get 'em ?) I once sampled ( using the 2.5 sec >one shot sampler on my Digitech Tsr24 ) the drum fade out on the first >Black Sabbath album ( 'Behind the wall of Sleep' I think ) and then >recorded both that and a loop from the guitar onto tape. The outcome was >infinitely more pleasing than most things I'd done using an Alesis D4 drum >module. The 'real' drum sounds made my efforts sound almost, well, 'real'. >So, anyone want to discuss the gear required to bring the rest of our >music into the real world ? >Adat ? Da88 ? , Samplers ?, Computers ?, Emagic,Cubase ? > >All the best >Andrew From ???@??? Fri Nov 07 09:50:46 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 7 08:12:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTr1V-0000ZJ-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:12:41 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <01BCEB65.60A2AF70@PCANDREW> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Re: looping drums,samplers etc. Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:04:10 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"CfsPNC.A.kIH._vzY0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1097 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:12:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 38f8d94bfc61d20f875ee04bf3013e49 I find using Steinberg's Recycle is a indespensible tool for making loops come alive. You can send a loop into it and chop it up into small sections based on attacks & waveform zero crossings. YOu can still maintain the timing of the original loop but it can also be re-ordered in any way you like since each section or "slice" is mapped to individual keys . Its such a powerful creative tool and its a lot of fun also. Theres alot that you can do with Recycle besides this so check it out . K Law From ???@??? Fri Nov 07 09:50:51 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 7 09:28:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTsD4-0000JH-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:28:42 -0800 From: Emmanuel Angel Message-Id: <199711071719.MAA16505@dolphin.upenn.edu> Subject: great speakerless tone To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:19:39 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Ya6n_B.A.AwG.t20Y0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1098 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:28:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 987d1a9c5761614f0e4c9e1a8a462d06 A few thoughts here on guitar tone without an amp ... I have done some home recording and gotten some remarkable results using a Mesa Boogie V-Twin and the cheap version (sound tank) of an Ibanez Tube Screamer. I use the V-Twin in *clean* preamp mode and sweeten my strat tone by adding some bass, treble, and some presence. The output of that goes to the Tube Screamer. The added level and presence *before* the distortion of the Ibanez (which is by nature a mild overdrive) seems to generate a smooth raspiness from that little green and black box. The high end sounds kind of "tinkly" and seems to make the strat "talk" without sounding too rough or edgy. The setup seems to track my dynamics, and I get just enough thick saturation when I play with the neck pickup. The 'in-between' strat settings weigh in with a tad less saturation, which sounds wonderful to my ear, and leaves me room to kick up to the former more penetrating tone when the phrases of a building solo demand it. The rest of my chain (optional) consists of a Yamaha digital multi-effects box which I use *only* for its stereo chorus, and I keep the mix of that chorus very light (maybe 25%-30%). The Yamaha also has some 'amp simulations' and I select the one labeled 'M' (must mean Marshall!) which, stereotypically, seems to fatten the tone. I take the stereo outs of the Yamaha and feed them to my Lexicon Reflex, programmed for a relatively long (setting of 11 or 12) plate reverb and I adjust the Mix so that its not too wet. The sound through the headphones has been *amazing*, inspiring me to do my best tracking when I play on top of my sequenced compositions. The sound in the final mix is *very* convincing. It would be really hard to to know that I recorded without a speaker. The electronics in the chain really seem to respond to my playing, almost idiosyncratically, as if there were some real acoustic component to the sound. My folk theory: putting my tone into a 12AX7 preamp warms it up and giggles it a bit before the transistorized distortion. This giggled up tone, with added presence, drives the Ibanez in a more idiosyncratic way. The rest of my chain (all the chorus and reverb stuff) breathes more life and animation into the signal. I think the fact that each box acts as some function on the signal creates a whole that is greater in complexity than the sum of the parts. My ethic: fool around with stuff, experiment. One would not normally think (at least I didn't) of taking the signal from an expensive tube preamp ($300) set on clean and passing it into a cheap ($35) overdrive box. Experiment with what you have and try things that may not seem warranted by a 'hi-fi' components view of the world, in which the quality of a chain is considered to be its weakist link. This approach can be used for looping or recording. Mickey Angel From ???@??? Fri Nov 07 11:29:05 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 7 09:59:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTsgw-0003V2-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:59:34 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCEB7C.836779C0@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Guitar rig advice wanted Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:56:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"kBMuLB.A.dWC.iT1Y0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1099 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:59:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 0d9fb651d1702371a42fc741cfce808c I have two opposing opinions about DI'ing an electric guitar into a PA board: 1. You may want to try one of those sealed speaker enclosures that contains 1 or 2 speakers and a microphone for connecting to the board. Hook it up to your amp and crank it as loud as you want. Then connect the mic to your PA board. Little or no sound comes out of the enclosure. 2. The guitar to amp configuration has its advantages, disadvantages and idiosyncrasies. So does the guitar to processor to PA board configuration. Perhaps there are interesting sonic qualities in this configuration that are just as beautiful, but different than the traditional guitar to amp configuration. They may be worth exploring. The first time I played a SansAmp PSA-1 through a mixer, power amp and studio reference monitors, I thought it sounded horrible. Then the salesman popped in and added a touch of digital reverb. It still sounded horrible. Then several months later, a little voice in the back of my head kept saying, "All those knobs and different types of outputs. There must be something to this thing." So I tried it with a Marshall Valvestate 8004 power amp and two speakers (an EV12L and a Celestion). It sounded fantastic. Then I patched a JamMan into its effects loop and DI'ed the PSA-1 into a multitrack tape deck. Again, it sounded fantastic. The moral: Look for equipment that compliments each other. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Sat Nov 08 00:13:55 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 7 11:41:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTuHG-0006gJ-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:41:10 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BCEB65.60A2AF70@PCANDREW> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:34:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: looping drums,samplers etc. Resent-Message-ID: <"D21-AC.A.EHF.Ax2Y0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1101 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:41:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 4e5c84fb814723bde1c3fbb57564fb89 If you just want to mess around with this a bit, there are a lot of websites where you can download breakbeats. You could then put these in a sampler or an audio sequencer program and loop them. If you got into it more, you'd probably want to go for a more DIY approach. I've heard a lot of good things about Recycle, which someone else mentioned. I guess you could also run those breakbeats (or samples you find) through Recycle and chop them up into pieces for your own use. A lot of people seem to use cubase for this stuff, as I understand because it has the best interface for programming drum parts. I never used it, so I can't say. For samplers, the Akai MPC2000 seems to be the choice of the moment for a lot of producers. (shadow used the older MPC60 for most of his stuff.) They have a very usable, drum-machine like interface that makes it easy to use for drum tracks. I've heard good things about some of the new emu samplers too, which are remarkably cheap these days. kim >The recent talk of samplers, and the hope that others are thinking along >the same lines brings up a few questions. How many of us spend most of our >time fiddling with bits of gear at home, trying to improve the quality of >our music ? Our main instruments ( guitars, keys, sticks and the like ) >don't pose too many problems when it comes to knowing what sound we're >looking for ( whether we get it is another matter.. ) and we're fairly >familiar with the gear required. But say you want to record some drum >loops ? Not just your crappy drum machine but the kind of loops that sound >realistic ( DJ's Shadow, Spooky, Krush, Torns's last CD all have great >drum sounds - where'd they get 'em ?) I once sampled ( using the 2.5 sec >one shot sampler on my Digitech Tsr24 ) the drum fade out on the first >Black Sabbath album ( 'Behind the wall of Sleep' I think ) and then >recorded both that and a loop from the guitar onto tape. The outcome was >infinitely more pleasing than most things I'd done using an Alesis D4 drum >module. The 'real' drum sounds made my efforts sound almost, well, 'real'. >So, anyone want to discuss the gear required to bring the rest of our >music into the real world ? >Adat ? Da88 ? , Samplers ?, Computers ?, Emagic,Cubase ? > >All the best >Andrew ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Nov 08 00:13:54 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 7 11:40:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTuGf-0006c8-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:40:33 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820A5A01@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:38:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: AW: Guitar rig advice wanted Resent-Message-ID: <"iQ6ikB.A.ZHF.Cx2Y0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1102 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:40:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 0dcda4c7949403f576c8adb6de5d1ee0 > >Another trick along this same line is to remove the paper cone >from the > >speaker. It still loads the amp pretty much the same, but it >doesn't make > >any sound. Then with Dave's little line out box, you're set. Of >course, you > >might want to do this with a second speaker before you destroy >the one you have. > >Brilliant idea !!! > >A few questions: > >(1) Has anybody tried this, or is only theory so far ? I got the idea from someone who had done it, and is very happy with the result. I haven't heard it myself, but he's pretty into good guitar tone so I imagine its doing a good job. Give it a try, let us know. figuring out how to get good sounding stuff into the loop is something we all deal with.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Nov 07 11:29:12 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 7 11:05:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTtj5-0002nR-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:05:51 -0800 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: looping drums,samplers etc. Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 20:02:03 +0100 Message-ID: <19971107190202640.AAA157@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"lI6G5C.A.UkB.mQ2Y0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1100 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:05:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 690d99e0a5e6d5b2c4f498889fa46ee2 At 10.10 07/11/97 -0000, you wrote: >The recent talk of samplers, and the hope that others are thinking along the same lines brings up a few questions. How many of us spend most of our time fiddling with bits of gear at home, trying to improve the quality of our music ? Our main instruments ( guitars, keys, sticks and the like ) don't pose too many problems when it comes to knowing what sound we're looking for ( whether we get it is another matter.. ) and we're fairly familiar with the gear required. But say you want to record some drum loops ? Not just your crappy drum machine but the kind of loops that sound realistic ( DJ's Shadow, Spooky, Krush, Torns's last CD all have great drum sounds - where'd they get 'em ?) I once sampled ( using the 2.5 sec one shot sampler on my Digitech Tsr24 ) the drum fade out on the first Black Sabbath album ( 'Behind the wall of Sleep' I think ) and then recorded both that and a loop from the guitar onto tape. The outcome was infinitely more pleasing than most things I'd done using an Alesis D4 drum module. The 'real' drum sounds made my efforts sound almost, well, 'real'. >So, anyone want to discuss the gear required to bring the rest of our music into the real world ? >Adat ? Da88 ? , Samplers ?, Computers ?, Emagic,Cubase ? > >All the best >Andrew > Hi Andrew For drum loops in my compositions (no real time looping) I use the PC and some editing programs. With SOund Forge you have no limit in cutting, stretching and altering the sound of your drum loops and samples. More often I ask to drummers friends of mine to record on Dat (but normal tape works too) their grooves and patterns. Then I edit all on the PC. Another thing I like to do is recording my Stick loops and then edit them on the PC, separating each loop from the others, changing the sequence, processing and adding colours. ciao leo From ???@??? Sat Nov 08 00:14:01 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 7 12:20:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xTusq-0002l6-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:20:00 -0800 X-Sender: whb4@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:12:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Walt Blackler Subject: Price range comparison: AWE64/AWE64 Gold & what else? Resent-Message-ID: <"iLPGM.A.j2B._Y3Y0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1103 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:20:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 893a5747866c457782c7c2140f80c47e What are the other cards I should be considering in the same price range as the AWE64/AWE64 Gold? Thanks in advance you techies! -Walt From ???@??? Sat Nov 08 00:14:41 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 7 21:38:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xU3as-000127-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:38:02 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BCEB65.60A2AF70@PCANDREW> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Re: looping drums,samplers etc. Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 00:28:31 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"2XXr4.A.LM.Ki_Y0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1104 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:38:02 -0800 X-UIDL: 4dd5a0c5f23ca040dfd9919870ae9904 I use a Emu E6400 and also make extensive use of Recycle as I mentioned recently.As far as samplers go I believe Emu is the leader of the pack particularly with the realtime controllers & modular processing matrix. If you are looking for something cheaper ( much cheaper) check out the aforementioned Akai MPC or better still have a look at the Dr Sample from Roland. This thing sounds very good has some amazing features( realtime time stretch!) uses removiable media & costs less than $ 400. Very nice portable sampler also loops are individually reverseable which is cool.It also has selectable sampling rates etc. Again It really depends on what you want to do with a looper-sampler. From ???@??? Sat Nov 08 00:14:43 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 7 22:22:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xU4Hd-0004tC-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:22:13 -0800 Message-ID: <34640588.320B8F76@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 01:24:08 -0500 From: mark sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu Organization: metaliminal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The Orb... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <971106015520_1547703543@mrin45.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bmYUtB.A.q3D.XOAZ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1105 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:22:13 -0800 X-UIDL: 2eb8a62285aee0e0d62426d912a7087f Hey Orb and possible Orb fans, There is an album that Robert Fripp did with the Orb called >>FFWD (Fast forward). Anyway, it's out of print in America but I think you can get it as an import. It is a monumentally beautiful album! Why it's out of print, I have no idea, but it occasionally turns up in a used bin here and there (that's how I found my copy) We should all yell at the person that is refusing to print it (for what ever stupid legal reasons) Give the rights to Fripp and let him print it on the Discpline lable. Check it out if you can find it. Mark. From ???@??? Sat Nov 08 00:14:44 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 7 22:49:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xU4hY-0000Bi-00; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:49:00 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971108064458.0096b868@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 22:44:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: The Orb... Resent-Message-ID: <"VNBFP.A.zMH.rpAZ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1106 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:49:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 9ece032b5a9058e02c9b6f7b096314ba Didn't Fripp do something with FSOL too? Like on Lifeforms? I can't recall actually noticing what he contributed, but I thought I remembered seeing his name on the cd book. Some soundscapes or something? kim At 01:24 AM 11/8/97 -0500, mark sottilaro wrote: >Hey Orb and possible Orb fans, > >There is an album that Robert Fripp did with the Orb called >>FFWD (Fast >forward). Anyway, it's out of print in America but I think you can get >it as an import. It is a monumentally beautiful album! Why it's out of >print, I have no idea, but it occasionally turns up in a used bin here >and there (that's how I found my copy) We should all yell at the person >that is refusing to print it (for what ever stupid legal reasons) Give >the rights to Fripp and let him print it on the Discpline lable. Check >it out if you can find it. > >Mark. > > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sat Nov 08 15:19:15 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 8 03:49:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xU9OP-0003mn-00; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 03:49:33 -0800 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: live looping and drum loops SHOWS Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 12:52:13 +0100 Message-ID: <19971108115212593.AAA206@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"8L4wq.A.gPD.JDFZ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1107 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 03:49:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 16c6f5bcb74d3bd2e6aee2121d25a917 Hi all As a musical journalist this week I saw 2 great concerts featuring large use of loops and looping. The first one was Jungle Funk, featuring Vinx, great vocalist and percussionist, Will Calhoun and Doug Wimbish, drums and bass from Living Colour. I can only say that this trio had 4 (four) jamman on stage. One for the voice, and the background vocals Vinx layered were incredible, one for acustic percussions (Vinx too), one for Wave Drum, played in some songs by Calhoun, and one for bass. Not ambient stuff, all was functional to the songs. Overlapping harmonies, rhythms, solos, etc. The second one was (I just finished to write the review) Bjork live show. This was really impressing. She's touring Europe with an 8 strings section, the Islandic String Octet I Think, and sampler-sequencer man Mark Bell. The shows is amazing and the loops Bell uses are mind opening. Lot of pitched down drums, ethnic instruments, processed percussions and a lot more. And Bjork is still great in her singing and writing. Ciao leo PS. Jungle Funk CD is self producted (it's good material but not really well recorded...). The reference url on the booklet are www.vinx.com and www.jazzateria.com. PPS. Some of you DJs out there know some mailing lists about sampling, time stretching and the latest musical styles??? Not music fan list, I'm interested from a technical point of view. Thanks From ???@??? Sat Nov 08 15:19:17 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 8 03:51:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xU9Qe-00041i-00; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 03:51:52 -0800 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: looping drums,samplers etc. Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 12:55:13 +0100 Message-ID: <19971108115512718.AAA202@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"1Jf8tC.A.7eD.lGFZ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1108 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 03:51:52 -0800 X-UIDL: efa0a33839072a3cd3da73963655aebc At 10.34 07/11/97 -0800, you wrote: >If you just want to mess around with this a bit, there are a lot of >websites where you can download breakbeats. You could then put these in a >sampler or an audio sequencer program and loop them. If you got into it >more, you'd probably want to go for a more DIY approach. I've heard a lot >of good things about Recycle, which someone else mentioned. I guess you >could also run those breakbeats (or samples you find) through Recycle and >chop them up into pieces for your own use. Hey kim, do you know any specific address?? And what's DIY? thanks ciao leo From ???@??? Sat Nov 08 15:19:34 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 8 14:53:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xUJkq-0000Zy-00; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:53:24 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 17:11:10 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Fripp and FSOL Resent-Message-ID: <"wp5eX.A.gD.3vOZ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1109 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:53:24 -0800 X-UIDL: 6b2487d7d3add14fd8bec8e3ebe49c27 )n 11/7/97 Kim Flint wrote: >Didn't Fripp do something with FSOL too? Like on Lifeforms? I can't recall >actually noticing what he contributed, but I thought I remembered seeing his >name on the cd book. Some soundscapes or something? > >kim > Funny I was listening to this this morning as my wife and I were cleaning. I totally forgtot that RF contrubuted anything to this release, so I just grabbed the CD and he is on track 3 of disc 1, a piece called Flak. There is about 14 seconds of an instantly recognizable loop by RF. I'm unsure if any other parts are his. I seem to remember an interview where he sadi he gave them a fair amount of material to work with, but most was not used. He also appeared on one or two tracks of the FSOL release ISDN. Robert's contrubtions on FFWD are much more prominent. Both Lifeforms and FFWD are worthwhile music to check out. Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Sat Nov 08 17:39:36 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 8 16:17:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xUL4V-0001Fo-00; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:17:47 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971108115512718.AAA202@Default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:09:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: looping drums,samplers etc. Resent-Message-ID: <"7zw8jB.A.jh.0-PZ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1110 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:17:47 -0800 X-UIDL: 75752675a3def88730871f455258383c Status: O X-Status: At 12:55 PM +0100 11/8/97, Leonardo Cavallo wrote: >At 10.34 07/11/97 -0800, you wrote: >>If you just want to mess around with this a bit, there are a lot of >>websites where you can download breakbeats. You could then put these in a >>sampler or an audio sequencer program and loop them. If you got into it >>more, you'd probably want to go for a more DIY approach. I've heard a lot >>of good things about Recycle, which someone else mentioned. I guess you >>could also run those breakbeats (or samples you find) through Recycle and >>chop them up into pieces for your own use. > >Hey kim, >do you know any specific address?? some stuff I saved in my bookmark file: http://www.breaks.com/ the breaks website, the have a mailing list too http://remote.ticfin.com/ 113 http://www.loknet.demon.co.uk/leech/breakbeats.html subverts breakbeat page http://jungle.syspace.co.uk/jungle/home.html Drum n' Bass arena there's probably a lot more than that out there. >And what's DIY? DIY = Do It Yourself kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Nov 09 14:10:43 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 8 23:42:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xUS1K-0006jP-00; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 23:42:58 -0800 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 02:37:39 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Dubofsky To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DOD FX-98 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"ouOOND.A.zAG.ChWZ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1111 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 23:42:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 1b03175bcbbcfd631796c0c1736e5e7e Has anyone bought/used a DOD FX-98? Priced at only $99.50 with 8 seconds delay and an 18 bit signal path it sounds to good to be true. IS it looper friendly? How does it sound? Should I dump my SDD-2000 for one? Where do babies REALLY come from? steve d Skullsaw may cause irritation and watering of the eyes. DO NOT use Skullsaw if pregnant. Studies show Skullsaw may be habit forming. Consult your physician. http://www.gti.net/skullsaw From ???@??? Sun Nov 09 22:30:47 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 9 16:25:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xUhfP-000756-00; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 16:25:23 -0800 X-From_:jndk@colba.net Sun Nov 09 16:25:21 1997 Received: from mail.colba.net [206.186.202.32] (root) by ferret with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xUhfL-00074O-00; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 16:25:19 -0800 Received: from colba.colba.net (bha1-s11.mtl.colba.net [209.89.93.21]) by mail.colba.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA02953 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 20:26:18 -0500 Message-Id: <199711100126.UAA02953@mail.colba.net> From: "Julia & Dave" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: TEST please delete this message Old-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 19:27:26 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: undecipherable, help sent X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 16:25:23 -0800 X-UIDL: e6fece35112984fdbb919fc6b73990fd From ???@??? Sun Nov 09 22:30:54 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 9 18:28:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xUjaY-0005RF-00; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:28:30 -0800 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:23:04 -0800 Message-Id: <199711100223.SAA25698@barley.adnc.com> X-Sender: ambient@mail.adnc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: studio seventeen productions Subject: Digitech RDS 8000 Resent-Message-ID: <"fPvcpB.A.cuE.NAnZ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1112 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:28:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 5a50ffe9f351224a77f6ef6d7bcbf061 I, too own one of these. And as Pete said, it's a great box. I've had mine for about 6 years. I needed a long delay, and at the time the Oberheim and the Jamman didn't exist (not to mention I couldn't have afforded them anyway),,,so the Digitech was the only choice. It has some real advantages, being all knobs and real-time tweakable. It does great thick flangers and wild choruses, I should mention. But it takes a while to learn how to get the best sounds, and looping with it can be really tricky. First of all, you have to select your loop duration FIRST, and then pray that you are playing what you want to be playing when that sucker comes around again. You can open and close the loop to add more material, and reduce feedback to let older parts fade away. This was my main looping device for many years, and when I listen back to the tapes of my band Bindlestiff I am amazed that I could sound this way with only 8 seconds. I ran the RDS8000 mix out into an ancient Digitech DSP128 (now long since gone). Now for the other side of the coin. It has no MIDI. You'll have to buy two footswitches to start and lock/unlock the loop. And, it's not easy to get that loop right when you don't have a START HERE/STOP HERE footpedal as you do with the JamMan and the Oberheim. And (and this is sad in a way) but I've owned an Oberheim for about two years now (?) and although the RDS8000 is still in my rack, I very rarely use it because the Oberheim is SO much more intuitive and eaasy to use. And now that I finally got my upgrade chips (about two weeks ago) it works like a DREAM. (BTW: GREAT WORK KIM AND MATHIAS!). But if you can't afford an Obie, it's a GREAT box, reasonable quiet, and loads of fun. It can do some horrific detuning, and you can also alter the pitch of your loops, say by recording a 2 second loop and then turning the time down to 8 seconds (thus lowering the pitch). I used to create "vari-pitch" loops which were great fun but often quite annoying to listen to. And, if it's cheap, you get a bitchin flanger, chorus, slapback....infinitely tweakable. It requires patience to operate. There are no presets. I've never regretted buying it though. Some of the most amazing looping I've ever done was done with the 8000 and the incredibly primitive DSP128 (or so it seems to me now in my old age :-) it's nice to be back! cheers, dave at studio seventeen BTW: the ambient music page has been expanded! please visit us in our new, bigger home. http://members.tripod.com/~technoambient/index.html seventeen: the ambient music page From ???@??? Mon Nov 10 10:15:23 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 10 03:27:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xUs0W-0006tB-00; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:27:52 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:38:41 +0300 Message-ID: <00004F77.4007@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re[2]: The Orb... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Kim Flint Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"II4_CD.A.oNG.v6uZ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1115 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:27:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 468d07e4866d530a9dd8af25ddb58353 There is a Fripp/Sylvian remix by FSOL: Darsham or Darshana (Iam not sure about the name). Miguel ___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________ Assunto: Re: The Orb... Autor: Kim Flint na internet Data: 07/11/1997 22:44 Didn't Fripp do something with FSOL too? Like on Lifeforms? I can't recall actually noticing what he contributed, but I thought I remembered seeing his name on the cd book. Some soundscapes or something? kim At 01:24 AM 11/8/97 -0500, mark sottilaro wrote: >Hey Orb and possible Orb fans, > >There is an album that Robert Fripp did with the Orb called >>FFWD (Fast >forward). Anyway, it's out of print in America but I think you can get >it as an import. It is a monumentally beautiful album! Why it's out of >print, I have no idea, but it occasionally turns up in a used bin here >and there (that's how I found my copy) We should all yell at the person >that is refusing to print it (for what ever stupid legal reasons) Give >the rights to Fripp and let him print it on the Discpline lable. Check >it out if you can find it. > >Mark. > > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Mon Nov 10 10:15:21 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 10 02:48:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xUrOm-0005KH-00; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 02:48:52 -0800 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Vortex info Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:50:07 +0100 Message-ID: <19971110105006546.AAA188@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"qA4ZVC.A.eyE.SVuZ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1113 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 02:48:52 -0800 X-UIDL: ac2a1c786607a0406106d0eab7189c8c Hi all Vortex owners Listening to lot of comments about Vortex unique greatness I'd like to know more about this unit. Ok, it's a morphing think, it's stereo, and this is all I know. Can you say me more? Hou do you use in your looping rigs? Post privately if no public interest. thanks leo From ???@??? Mon Nov 10 10:15:22 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 10 03:02:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xUrbf-0005uY-00; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:02:11 -0800 Message-Id: <9957.199711101056@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:56:32 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD) Subject: The Orb, The Vortex Resent-Message-ID: <"Tng_QC.A.rNF.riuZ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1114 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:02:11 -0800 X-UIDL: dd1d870185ac633d020b24ce4f43e6d0 Mark: >There is an album that Robert Fripp did with the Orb called >>FFWD (Fast >forward). It actually comes from Fripp Feldmann Watkins (?) Dr_Patterson. Patterson and the guy whose name begins with W are the Orb, Feldmann is a German DJ. I think.... Leo: >Hi all Vortex owners >Listening to lot of comments about Vortex unique greatness I'd like to know >more about this unit. Ok, it's a morphing think, it's stereo, and this is >all I know. Can you say me more? Hou do you use in your looping rigs? >Post privately if no public interest. Count this as interest! I've found a supplier of the last Vortices in the UK who are shipping them at $300 each. If I get one all my other stuff ('cept the JamMan of course) gest sold to cover it. The question is... is it worth it as an only processor? Michael From ???@??? Mon Nov 10 10:15:34 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 10 07:56:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xUwCI-0005t3-00; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 07:56:18 -0800 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:48:38 -0500 (EST) From: ZeplinSoup@aol.com Message-ID: <971110104835_-1306585001@mrin54.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping drums,samplers etc. Resent-Message-ID: <"itc1T.A.LBF.U0yZ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1116 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 07:56:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 424c36e4da90344bbb34f7c42ca5f36b I use the Jamman to compose songs in sections.since I use the computer for start and stop times I know the exact tempo.Recently I have been using Rebirth 1.5 to sync with Cakewalk and then program the drum loops that way..BTW the random feature on that is of good use for this... Reeve From ???@??? Mon Nov 10 10:15:36 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 10 08:33:06 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xUwli-0001Lw-00; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:32:54 -0800 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:23:41 -0500 (EST) From: ZeplinSoup@aol.com Message-ID: <971110112340_426400693@mrin42.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Price range comparison: AWE64/AWE64 Gold & what else? Resent-Message-ID: <"4qOFzD.A.Xc.MVzZ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1117 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:32:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 03943531e2407c0551a88a94fd020492 For Midi...not much else..especially if you use Reality(WoW..Holy Moly Reality is Killllllllllllllllllllllllaaaaaaaaaaa) but for digital audio in the lower price range check out the Gina or the LAyla card (@$3-400 i think) From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 00:28:06 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 10 16:35:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xV4IW-0002ub-00; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:35:16 -0800 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 97 11:16:12 CST From: "Brian L Jackson" Message-Id: <9710108791.AA879189881@ccbbn5.dttus.com> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: For Sale Resent-Message-ID: <"QsqykB.A.CzB.uX6Z0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1125 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:35:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 89d21e7964e114f1de4b84c73011837f Lexicon Vortex w/2 foot controllers - $125.00 neg. If interested please email me at brijackson@dttus.com Brian From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 00:27:43 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 10 11:31:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xUzY7-0003Ec-00; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:31:03 -0800 X-Sender: whb4@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <971110112340_426400693@mrin42.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:21:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Walt Blackler Subject: Re: Price range comparison: AWE64/AWE64 Gold & what else? Resent-Message-ID: <"QwpkAB.A.KJC.V71Z0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1118 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:31:03 -0800 X-UIDL: ed83fa285bd509dcc96167999041235e >For Midi...not much else..especially if you use Reality(WoW..Holy Moly >Reality is Killllllllllllllllllllllllaaaaaaaaaaa) >but for digital audio in the lower price range check out the Gina or the >LAyla card (@$3-400 i think) any good sites to find these? -Walt From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 00:27:48 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 10 12:11:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xV0BY-0007Pg-00; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:11:48 -0800 Message-ID: <19971110200200.653.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [206.54.253.53] From: "Jeffrey Robert" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: How much should you pay for a JAMMAN Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:02:00 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"9-DG1C.A.sEG.8h2Z0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1119 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:11:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 66a49306695427417f0c0046fd06c7cc What's the going rate for a NEW JAMMAN? OLD JAMMAN? thanks, JEFF ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 00:27:50 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 10 12:34:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xV0Xp-0001yo-00; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:34:49 -0800 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:22:20 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex info In-Reply-To: <19971110105006546.AAA188@Default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"O85YO.A.t0.Y22Z0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1120 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:34:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 71560b66f58606951330c977cbfeb1b8 On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, Leonardo Cavallo wrote: > Listening to lot of comments about Vortex unique greatness I'd like to know > more about this unit. Ok, it's a morphing think, it's stereo, and this is > all I know. Can you say me more? Hou do you use in your looping rigs? > Post privately if no public interest. Well, the first thing to know about the Vortex is that it is out of production. :( This means that finding one may take some time and effort. That being said, I think the Vortex is the COOLEST programmable effects unit I've ever used! I don't think of it as a "multi-effects" box in the usual sense. Those tend to be a bunch of single effects, each with their own parameters, lined up in series. The Vortex is more coherent, for lack of a better word. The various effects tend to interact with each other in interesting ways. Sometimes it's difficult to predict what changing a given parameter will do to the sound. In simplest terms, the Vortex consists of a few discrete effects.... two delay lines, two modulators, an envelope follower, and a simple mixer. It also has an expression pedal input, assignable to any parameter but delay time. Delay time itself is set by tapping in a tempo with a footswitch or front panel button. Each delay is set to some fraction of this tempo. This makes it easy to get perfect cross-rhythms, such as three against two (or seven against thirteen, or whatever), in time with your playing. The envelope follower really makes the Vortex come alive. It is assigned to some parameter within the program, and makes the program respond dynamically to your playing. One of my favorite effects is the "Shadow" program, in which the envelope follower controls the delay level. While you are playing, echo levels are reduced. When you stop playing, they rise up in the mix. This way, you can play with strong echoes without the echoes stepping on your playing. Another thing to consider... NO MIDI. It would take some effort to sync the Vortex up to a MIDI effects system. Moreover, it's kind of a pain to step through programs. It's more a studio toy than a live toy. Speaking of live Vortex... I need to get mine out again! I haven't played with electronics at all in MONTHS. I have played nothing but unplugged, solo acoustic guitar. The last time I used my Vortex was an impromptu performance with a jazzy scat singer at a gay rights rally. Quite a shock to the audience after an afternoon of show tunes and drag queen lip-syncing! But tomorrow, I have a first session with a drummer and bass player, in what may turn into my first band in over six years. After having two bands fall apart on me through no fault of my own, I've been leery of committing to playing formally with others for a long time. But now, I think I may be ready again. Tomorrow, we jam. If the three of us get along musically, we'll try to pursue this more seriously. I have some ground rules in mind... NO electric guitar (for my own self-protection), and no drums that require sticks. Hand percussion only. However, I'd like to try using the Vortex and JamMan, albiet with the acoustic guitar as a tone source. And the bass, of course, is electric. Wish us luck. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 00:27:51 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 10 12:58:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xV0uO-0004Cy-00; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:58:08 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971110204211.0098af7c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:42:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: How much should you pay for a JAMMAN Resent-Message-ID: <"rkKRND.A.1ID.GO3Z0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1121 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:58:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 704971d6e87077a314eaa790c7e25a1e At 12:02 PM 11/10/97 PST, Jeffrey Robert wrote: >What's the going rate for a NEW JAMMAN? OLD JAMMAN? New Jammans probably would cost you about $50,000, since Lexicon stopped making them quite a while ago and you would have to put it in production yourself! Used ones seem to be over $300 and rising. We should put a graph on the web page..... kim > >thanks, >JEFF > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 00:27:55 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 10 13:20:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xV1G8-0006Ng-00; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:20:36 -0800 Message-ID: <346779C4.3F37@dmans.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:16:52 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Guitar rig advice wanted References: <01BCEB7C.836779C0@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xIhJP.A.xFF.9h3Z0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1122 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:20:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 3837e59bc842f1ac9a643f2d02deec2a Mark Kata wrote: > > You may want to try one of those sealed speaker enclosures that contains 1 or 2 speakers and a microphone for connecting to the board. Hook it up to your amp and crank it as loud as you want. Then connect the mic to your PA board. Little or no sound comes out of the enclosure. I've heard that Billy Gibbons of ZZ Top uses one of these in certain situations. Some of his tones you could cut with a knife! Motley From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 00:27:58 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 10 14:12:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xV24b-00046f-00; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:12:45 -0800 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:52:34 -0500 (EST) From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <971110165233_1049331465@mrin40.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: How much should you pay for a JAMMAN Resent-Message-ID: <"AwHmyB.A.f6C.nS4Z0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1123 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:12:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 1ba75319605175827e43c848897917b6 i paid 3 and change for my jamman about 2 or 3 yrs ago. i then paid about a hundred more for the memory upgrade. 32 seconds is worth 100 bucks!!! =-) PJ From ???@??? 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Tue Nov 11 00:28:16 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 10 23:03:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVAMc-00071S-00; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:03:54 -0800 X-Sender: prentice@mail.imag.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:57:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: prentice@imag.net Subject: Re: For Sale Resent-Message-ID: <"FRmeaB.A.QMG.1HAa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1126 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:03:54 -0800 X-UIDL: b83c863cc38386dbd14d2b5f3f09ec55 > Lexicon Vortex w/2 foot controllers - $125.00 neg. > > If interested please email me at brijackson@dttus.com > > Brian Hi Brian, If you still have your Vortex, would you hang on to it for me? I'd like to buy it. Please send me an e-mail to let me know what's happening. Best, Lionel Prentice From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 10:19:56 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 11 03:55:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVEus-0003vs-00; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 03:55:34 -0800 Message-ID: <346847D5.3B449F5E@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 06:56:06 -0500 From: jeff & mary duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: For Sale References: <9710108791.AA879189881@ccbbn5.dttus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1JAAjB.A.meD.CbEa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1127 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 03:55:34 -0800 X-UIDL: eabae0263ba11f34028b46f43bca2225 I would like to purchase the vortex!Please let me know if it is still available.I can be reached at jmar@bellsouth.net Brian L Jackson wrote: > Lexicon Vortex w/2 foot controllers - $125.00 neg. > > If interested please email me at brijackson@dttus.com > > Brian From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 10:19:57 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 11 04:10:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVF8z-0004Wf-00; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 04:10:09 -0800 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:05:32 -0500 (EST) From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: <971111070530_277096659@mrin52.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digitech RDS 800 Resent-Message-ID: <"AHvH3C.A.-CE.LpEa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1128 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 04:10:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 4ac0ff1cb643d5103d4c1dca00f58c4b I own an RDS8000 as well as a JAMMAN. The RDS8000 would be best described as an early entry into digital looping by Digitech. They made two models, a 4 second machine RDS4000 and the 8 second RDS8000. These units are fun, reliable and very rugged and are best used for setting "static" looping conditions such as preset delays for vocals from the microsecond range to the millisecond range with one or more "echos" added to the mix. It has a very nice flanging capability, and as mentioned earlier up to 8 seconds of looping capability. I haven't used it in a while but I think you can record an infinite number of loops over the delay pattern. Unlike the Jamman, you cannot set up a tempo dynamically (no tap tempo). However, the range of delay from the smallest to longest is controlled by a pot. and a range selector. The selector gives the range such as 1ms 2ms 1 sec 2sec 4sec and 8sec and the other which allows you to vary that range from the smallest to the next level, for example 1ms to 2ms range is selectable when the selector is on the 1ms range and the pot. is rotated from the left to the right. I haven't tried it yet, but I wanted to use the RDS8000 for a poor man's stereo by placing it on my stereo mixer using a mono signal (such as my vocals) and on one of the channels adding a slight delay to increase spatiality. All in all, a fun toy at a cheap price, I paid $125.00 6 years ago. HAVE FUN! From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 10:19:57 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 11 04:44:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVFgA-0005z4-00; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 04:44:26 -0800 Message-ID: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820BAB98@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> From: Haible Juergen To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: AW: Vortex info Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:40:08 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"RtRyVB.A.0UF.tIFa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1129 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 04:44:26 -0800 X-UIDL: e1d41a5efb6dcd8317a444a4b6603d6e > Delay time itself is set by tapping in a tempo with a footswitch or > front panel button. Each delay is set to some fraction of this tempo. > This makes it easy to get perfect cross-rhythms, such as three against two > (or seven against thirteen, or whatever), in time with your playing. Would it be possible to set the delay time by electronic (switch-) triggers instead of foot switches? Well sure it would work to replace the foot switches, but the question is does it work *continously*, for example syncing the delay to the clock of an analogue sequencer or arpeggiator? (Or does the tap tempo only work in a kind of "learn" mode?) What, if the clock rate changes - will the Vortex' delay time follow? Faster should be easier than longer, I guess. Does the Vortex do things like that? Are there other Delay boxes that do such things? JH. From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 10:20:07 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 11 07:33:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVIJt-0004Ss-00; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:33:37 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C29132033@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Vortex info Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:15:14 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"7tRBPC.A.dfD.ZhHa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1130 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:33:37 -0800 X-UIDL: b97bd696bdcad9be0dc958957fcc3bc5 Juergen asked: "Would it be possible to set the delay time by electronic (switch-) > triggers instead of foot switches? > Well sure it would work to replace the foot switches, but the question > is does it work *continously*, for example syncing the delay to > the clock of an analogue sequencer or arpeggiator? (Or does the > tap tempo only work in a kind of "learn" mode?) > What, if the clock rate changes - will the Vortex' delay time follow? > Faster should be easier than longer, I guess. > > Does the Vortex do things like that?" > The Vortex tap tempo is a simple momentary contact connection. It will not work with an electronic trigger directly but you should be able to have your electronic switch trigger a regular switch. The VORTEX will not follow a clock continuously. You need to tap in a new tempo each time you desire one. There is no way to get a clock signal into VORTEX. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +7881-280-0499 email: ghogan@lexicon.com From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 10:20:08 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 11 07:45:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVIVZ-0005YU-00; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:45:41 -0800 Message-ID: <34687C71.FF935A5@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:40:34 -0500 From: jeff & mary duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digitech RDS 800 References: <971111070530_277096659@mrin52.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XqW6d.A.XYE.ftHa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1131 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:45:41 -0800 X-UIDL: e4f37d2a4a7daab23e21d382b4959768 ANET@aol.com wrote: > I own an RDS8000 as well as a JAMMAN. The RDS8000 would be best described > as an early entry into digital looping by Digitech. They made two models, a > 4 second machine RDS4000 and the 8 second RDS8000. These units are fun, > reliable and very rugged and are best used for setting "static" looping > conditions such as preset delays for vocals from the microsecond range to the > millisecond range with one or more "echos" added to the mix. It has a very > nice flanging capability, and as mentioned earlier up to 8 seconds of looping > capability. I haven't used it in a while but I think you can record an > infinite number of loops over the delay pattern. Unlike the Jamman, you > cannot set up a tempo dynamically (no tap tempo). However, the range of > delay from the smallest to longest is controlled by a pot. and a range > selector. The selector gives the range such as 1ms 2ms 1 sec 2sec 4sec and > 8sec and the other which allows you to vary that range from the smallest to > the next level, for example 1ms to 2ms range is selectable when the selector > is on the 1ms range and the pot. is rotated from the left to the right. I > haven't tried it yet, but I wanted to use the RDS8000 for a poor man's stereo > by placing it on my stereo mixer using a mono signal (such as my vocals) and > on one of the channels adding a slight delay to increase spatiality. All in > all, a fun toy at a cheap price, I paid $125.00 6 years ago. > > HAVE FUN! I have a 7.6 sec. time machine by digitech,and i'll pass this on.I > made a foot controller from a volume pedel and a few parts from radio > shack.since the device is operated by controlled voltage I hooked up a 9v power > supply to an on and off button, then it goes to a volume pot for range of delay > then to the pot in the pedel for sweeping within the range set by the first > pot!You plug it into the cv in jack on the back.I also use a roland tr-626 drum > machine that puts out a +5v pulse,this sets the length of the echo to the > beat.its so easy!Jeff From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 10:20:19 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 11 09:42:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVKKQ-0007l4-00; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:42:18 -0800 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:27:32 -0500 (EST) From: MiqSk8@aol.com Message-ID: <971111122632_1404271543@mrin58.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: For Sale Resent-Message-ID: <"dvUCLD.A.H7F.HXJa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1132 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:42:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 77e664793405d154fdd90b1f49e3b0f5 am very interested as well, if you haven't been swallowed whole From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 10:41:05 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 11 10:24:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVKyk-0003ub-00; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:23:58 -0800 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:09:36 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: darcyc@srvr5.engin.umich.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9710108791.AA879189881@ccbbn5.dttus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Darcy Clark Subject: Re: Vortex For Sale Resent-Message-ID: <"gLNUGB.A.vVC.j9Ja0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1133 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:23:58 -0800 X-UIDL: fc3f0141a75a67f75c5f1d46b986808a If there are any other Vortexes (Vortii ??) gathering dust anywhere, please email me personally (darcyc@engin.umich.edu). I am sure the for $125 has been gobbled up already. I keep just missing out on these units, and its driving me nuts !! thanks for the bandwidth Darcy > Lexicon Vortex w/2 foot controllers - $125.00 neg. > > If interested please email me at brijackson@dttus.com > > Brian Darcy Clark +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Materials Science and Engineering Department University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2136 USA +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Room 2130, Dow Building Phone (313) 764 3377 Fax (313) 763 4788 E-mail darcyc@engin.umich.edu http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/mse250 http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/people/darcyc/ http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 21:29:18 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 11 10:58:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVLWM-0007Y4-00; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:58:42 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820BAB98@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:40:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: AW: Vortex info Resent-Message-ID: <"b7yXY.A.9XF.DcKa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1134 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:58:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 8f9f436ebdd8125425a09dbedb5cc44d Haible Juergen wrote: > > Delay time itself is set by tapping in a tempo with a >footswitch or > > front panel button. Each delay is set to some fraction of >this tempo. > > This makes it easy to get perfect cross-rhythms, such as three >against two > > (or seven against thirteen, or whatever), in time with your >playing. > >Would it be possible to set the delay time by electronic (switch-) >triggers instead of foot switches? >Well sure it would work to replace the foot switches, but the question >is does it work *continously*, for example syncing the delay to >the clock of an analogue sequencer or arpeggiator? (Or does the >tap tempo only work in a kind of "learn" mode?) >What, if the clock rate changes - will the Vortex' delay time follow? >Faster should be easier than longer, I guess. > >Does the Vortex do things like that? >Are there other Delay boxes that do such things? The OB Echoplex can sync continuously to the old type of pulse clock from old sequencers and arpeggiators, using the BeatSync jack. It also works with other pulses, like drum triggers. You can even use audio sources, like a metronome output or a mic'd drum or even a guitar. Just has to be some kind of pulse. The sync operates the same as midi sync for setting loop times, and keeping them in time. The echoplex can also drive pulse clocks out the same jack, so you could sync the arpeggiator to the loop. I don't know of any other delay boxes that can do anything like that. Most devices use midi clock if they do anything. I'd love to hear about anyone using the echoplex this way, actually. I know it works, but I haven't seen it truly being used yet! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 21:30:30 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 11 20:26:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVUNL-0002h1-00; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:25:59 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820BAB98@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Re: AW: Vortex info Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:19:03 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"t1XU7B.A.g7B.C5Sa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1135 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:25:59 -0800 X-UIDL: 70d0584e8ac5d012e6cb658d7c8b413c Hey Kim , ever hook up the ever unreliable Cyclone to the Beat sync? From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 23:41:48 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 11 22:43:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVWVv-0004U2-00; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:42:59 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820BAB98@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:01:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: cyclone (was Vortex info) Resent-Message-ID: <"3y5lxD.A.8iD.U5Ua0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1136 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:42:59 -0800 X-UIDL: 02bd7d35144959f9c1aaf1d352fa93b9 At 11:19 PM -0500 11/11/97, klaw@iglou.com wrote: >Hey Kim , ever hook up the ever unreliable Cyclone to the Beat sync? No, I never did anything with the OB cyclone. Those funny little boxes predated my time in the Gibson asylum. I'm aware of a small subset of musicians who love the cyclone and swear by it's creative possibilities. I guess it took a very motivated personality to actually figure it out. Are you one of them? Does it use a pulse sync? I don't even know. The OB Strummer though, I never could figure out why anyone would want that... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Nov 11 23:41:49 1997 >From kflint Tue Nov 11 22:43:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVWW1-0004Ud-00; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:43:05 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <34687C71.FF935A5@bellsouth.net> References: <971111070530_277096659@mrin52.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:09:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Digitech RDS 800 Resent-Message-ID: <"rdr3CC.A.7jD.Z5Ua0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1137 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:43:05 -0800 X-UIDL: ff12faa254ee608d743ca7f3e26187a9 Hey all you RDS8000 fans, how about if one of you collects all the great info that's been posted lately and make it a web page for the Looper's Delight website? Then people can easily learn all about it and the story will be available forever. Remember: The Looper's Delight site survives and prospers by volunteers helping out. The few of us working on this can only do so much, so if you can think of some way you might contribute, please do! Believe me, if I were the only one doing this, it would really suck. Big thanks to everyone who has put in a little time (or a lot) to help out! kim >ANET@aol.com wrote: > >> I own an RDS8000 as well as a JAMMAN. The RDS8000 would be best described >> as an early entry into digital looping by Digitech. They made two models, a >> 4 second machine RDS4000 and the 8 second RDS8000. These units are fun, >> reliable and very rugged and are best used for setting "static" looping >> conditions such as preset delays for vocals from the microsecond range >>to the >> millisecond range with one or more "echos" added to the mix. It has a very >> nice flanging capability, and as mentioned earlier up to 8 seconds of >>looping >> capability. I haven't used it in a while but I think you can record an >> infinite number of loops over the delay pattern. Unlike the Jamman, you >> cannot set up a tempo dynamically (no tap tempo). However, the range of >> delay from the smallest to longest is controlled by a pot. and a range >> selector. The selector gives the range such as 1ms 2ms 1 sec 2sec 4sec and >> 8sec and the other which allows you to vary that range from the smallest to >> the next level, for example 1ms to 2ms range is selectable when the selector >> is on the 1ms range and the pot. is rotated from the left to the right. I >> haven't tried it yet, but I wanted to use the RDS8000 for a poor man's >>stereo >> by placing it on my stereo mixer using a mono signal (such as my vocals) and >> on one of the channels adding a slight delay to increase spatiality. All in >> all, a fun toy at a cheap price, I paid $125.00 6 years ago. >> >> HAVE FUN! I have a 7.6 sec. time machine by digitech,and i'll pass this on.I >> made a foot controller from a volume pedel and a few parts from radio >> shack.since the device is operated by controlled voltage I hooked up a >>9v power >> supply to an on and off button, then it goes to a volume pot for range >>of delay >> then to the pot in the pedel for sweeping within the range set by the first >> pot!You plug it into the cv in jack on the back.I also use a roland >>tr-626 drum >> machine that puts out a +5v pulse,this sets the length of the echo to the >> beat.its so easy!Jeff ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 02:00:34 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 00:55:06 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVYZk-00043v-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:55:04 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820BAB98@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Re: cyclone (was Vortex info) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:51:06 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"64OIe.A.ejD.B4Wa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1138 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:55:04 -0800 X-UIDL: f84cbe20337e253177df6bf93a41ede4 No pun intended on this tornadic thread here. Seriously I do use a Cyclone & while it is totally unreliable as a live dependable piece its great for recording & sampling & for that matter Looping!Ive achieved some amazing heard once never again rhythms with this little logic defying gray block of plastic. This thing does what it wants. Thats all there is to it.Be prepared to spend hours reading & tweaking until you think youve got it all figured out and...without any warning it clears its memory !Since it uses midi notes try running your midi controller keyboard etc thru it on the way to your sampler then get ready. Predictive this thing is not.The programming is deep & frankly sometimes baffling to me. The manual tries to make sense of the cryptic symbols on the front panel but ends up being more cryptic. THe thing is fun though and I do use it alot . Ill arpeggiate 3 or more samples going into the Plex(audio loop)and it will always do something that will surprise me . In my expierence the Echoplex does not like to be Cycloned midiwise however.The front panel does some weird exotic stuff when in its path. Totally unuseable for some applications absolutely brillant for others> pickup one up cheap if you can. Kim I tried Beat sync & I cant get it happenin. Im sending out pulses using a Sound Sculpture SwitchBlade into the Bs input with< sync in> enabled .. nothing whats up? Thanks K Law From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:26:10 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 13:57:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVkmR-00004y-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:56:59 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:37:22 +0300 Message-ID: <0000535C.4007@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re: Frisell live To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Leonardo Cavallo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"GDRw8B.A.bMG.NOia0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1167 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:56:59 -0800 X-UIDL: eb14bef98b84ccb763171f62334efcb2 That's it. Lets get rid of the sync paranoia. Long life for the freestyle looping aproach. Miguel ___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________ Assunto: Frisell live Autor: Leonardo Cavallo na internet Data: 12/11/1997 13:49 Hi Yesterday I've seen Bill Frisell live for the second time this year. Not with his new quartet (the first time) but in duo with Joey Baron. As I hoped for this kind of line up, there was a big amount of looping in the show. Frisell uses the same device with two pedals and some knob on it (rds 8000 i think). He mounts it over a little reverb/delay half rack and that was all. Some interesting notes I didn't notice the first time (when looping was quite minimal): - Frisell develops and builds his loops in silence. He plays some notes in the air to begin, then you can see him picking and strumming but no sound comes out from the amps. Baron often starts to play and still there's no loop playing. Suddenldly Frisell gives the loop volume and you hear this REALLY ODD phrases and sounds coming out. He uses pitch and speed knob a lot to alter the sound of his loops. - There was no sync between the loops and Baron drumming. It was something wanted and the effect was really interesting. Also when the loop were extremely rhythmic. Not only layers and sounds with no rythmic reference but arpeggios and bass notes too, crossing the bars without any sync to the beats of the songs. - For this kind of lineup Frisell uses the loops to have a bigger sound and to set the mood of the piece . Quite often without any harmonic (or rhytmic, as above) relationship with his improvisation lines played over the loop. Great show (not only for the looping side...) ciao leo From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:32:49 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 02:22:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVZwf-0007c8-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 02:22:49 -0800 Message-ID: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820C0C51@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> From: Haible Juergen To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: AW: AW: Vortex info Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:02:47 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"fjIWt.A.M1G.eJYa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1139 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 02:22:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 92a4a3c49df9e4957a5e213aa60ecaf6 >The OB Echoplex can sync continuously to the old type of pulse clock from >old sequencers and arpeggiators, using the BeatSync jack. It also works >with other pulses, like drum triggers. You can even use audio sources, like >a metronome output or a mic'd drum or even a guitar. Just has to be some >kind of pulse. The sync operates the same as midi sync for setting loop >times, and keeping them in time. The echoplex can also drive pulse clocks >out the same jack, so you could sync the arpeggiator to the loop. This sounds amazing ! You know, one of my favorite things is playing lead lines on other synths, while my OB-8's (from Oberheim's glory days!) arpeggiator plays percussive patterns into a multitap delay (SRS-56). Then, after some minutes of freaking out, I set the arpeggiator to a much slower rate, and adjust the OB-8's envelopes accordingly, which will now produce very slowly rising and fading notes, and I love calming down and playing very slow melody fragments over this pattern. It would be very pleasant to have a delay that follows such extreme tempo changes seamlessly. But there is one thing I don't quite understand: Asuming in the "fast" part, the Echoplex would be triggered every 500ms, and then suddenly the triggers only come every 10 seconds. Does the Echoplex really wait these 10 seconds until it resets its cycle, or does it only wait during some time "window" ? And what does it play from 0.5s to 10s during the first long loop (there isn't anything stored in this place of the RAM, I asume?) Sorry for the stupid question - I just cannot imagine what would happen. JH. From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:32:51 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 03:13:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVajE-0002d9-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:13:00 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:08:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711121108.GAA16992@mcfeely.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: How much should you pay for a JAMMAN--GRATITUDE Resent-Message-ID: <"-xhrj.A.yGC.Y4Ya0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1140 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:13:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 384cd482dd018521abb8d4a431f37f18 At 12:42 PM 11/10/97 -0800, you wrote: >At 12:02 PM 11/10/97 PST, Jeffrey Robert wrote: >>What's the going rate for a NEW JAMMAN? OLD JAMMAN? > >New Jammans probably would cost you about $50,000, since Lexicon stopped >making them quite a while ago and you would have to put it in production >yourself! > >Used ones seem to be over $300 and rising. We should put a graph on the web >page..... > >kim > > After about two months of chasing smoldering leads, some kind soul posted to this group about a demo lanquishing in a music store--I was the first of three callers the next day (the salesman was surprised, to say the least)--paid more than I had hoped $325&tax&freight (but it does have the factory warranty :) Then another kind soul posted about the 32 sec memory upgrade from Visionsoft, which I'm expecting this week-- $ 31.80 plus $ 7 shipping (damnn, those old chips are heavy) I haven't even really run my didgeridus through the thing yet--I'm having way too much fun doing the Tibetan chorus and Tuvan throat singing thing and phasing it with my DOD delay pedal. Thanks for all the info--you guys (and gals?) are good! Tom PS Now if I only had a Vortex :( . . . (Brian J.--are you listening?) Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:32:54 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 03:25:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVavi-0003wC-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:25:54 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:21:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711121121.GAA18352@mcfeely.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: DOD FX-98 Resent-Message-ID: <"gTsSkB.A.iOD.PFZa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1141 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:25:54 -0800 X-UIDL: a687f1bbf62c4e206a700ba0e69fdc1d At 02:37 AM 11/9/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Has anyone bought/used a DOD FX-98? Priced at only $99.50 with 8 seconds >delay and an 18 bit signal path it sounds to good to be true. IS it looper >friendly? How does it sound? Should I dump my SDD-2000 for one? Where do >babies REALLY come from? > >steve d > Big question is, "Does it exist?) I called DOD about two months ago and they hemmed and hawed and said maybe this winter . . . I have yet to see one I bought a 94 (4 seconds delay--no reverse) for $ 110 discounted after Ed Chang's helpful post and am generally pleased with it (alittle regenerative whine with some inputs) but sounds ok 12 bit sampling Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:32:55 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 03:31:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVb0f-0004Sp-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:31:01 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:25:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711121125.GAA18658@mcfeely.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: ADA S1000 delay Resent-Message-ID: <"Tty9w.A.4pD.wIZa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1142 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:31:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 8ce1cb250af80fdef645804bc54a0f77 Any one have any comments on this unit--thinking of m/o ing a used one for $75 one sec. delay, chorus, flange particularly, sound quality, and tricks tanks, Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:32:55 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 03:49:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVbIC-0006Js-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:49:08 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 06:43:37 -0500 (EST) From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <971112064336_-556883897@mrin54.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ADA S1000 delay Resent-Message-ID: <"NIjNeB.A.xeF.naZa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1143 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:49:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 459b3a9229b41c7913df040e0a50c8bd a friend of mine has one in his studio that he uses for chorus and flange and really likes the sound. i don't think he really uses it for delay so much. (he isn't the looping type too much anyway:O) he swears by its chorus and flange capabilities though. =-) PJ From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:33:38 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 09:56:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVh1u-0005F9-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:56:42 -0800 Message-ID: <346996E2.1C52@hom.net> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:45:38 +0200 From: David & Daniel Ferguson Reply-To: breakz@hom.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-SPRY (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Yamaha SU10 References: <3.0.1.32.19971112181808.006d3f90@mail.dlc.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Uu_rUC.A.2qD.5sea0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1155 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:56:42 -0800 X-UIDL: a427b8dbf945ac760b181b6bf0c2b856 A friend of mine has a SU10, and it is phat, I would recomend it highly. Daniel From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:32:58 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 04:52:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVcHs-0002MG-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 04:52:52 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:47:56 -0500 (EST) From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <971112074756_460166868@mrin40.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Frisell live Resent-Message-ID: <"FmF5DD.A.t7B.7Waa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1145 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 04:52:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 148f9ed2ec913138d8e8f3fdd45eed20 actually i think he uses a digitech echo +. that is what he used in his instructional video. he is awesome. it must have been a great show!! =-) PJ From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:32:57 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 04:47:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVcCO-0001ti-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 04:47:12 -0800 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Frisell live Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:49:18 +0100 Message-ID: <19971112124914546.AAA206@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"pEKZe.A.ofB.oQaa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1144 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 04:47:12 -0800 X-UIDL: f7050e18f0854dc8885659e86e9f3828 Hi Yesterday I've seen Bill Frisell live for the second time this year. Not with his new quartet (the first time) but in duo with Joey Baron. As I hoped for this kind of line up, there was a big amount of looping in the show. Frisell uses the same device with two pedals and some knob on it (rds 8000 i think). He mounts it over a little reverb/delay half rack and that was all. Some interesting notes I didn't notice the first time (when looping was quite minimal): - Frisell develops and builds his loops in silence. He plays some notes in the air to begin, then you can see him picking and strumming but no sound comes out from the amps. Baron often starts to play and still there's no loop playing. Suddenldly Frisell gives the loop volume and you hear this REALLY ODD phrases and sounds coming out. He uses pitch and speed knob a lot to alter the sound of his loops. - There was no sync between the loops and Baron drumming. It was something wanted and the effect was really interesting. Also when the loop were extremely rhythmic. Not only layers and sounds with no rythmic reference but arpeggios and bass notes too, crossing the bars without any sync to the beats of the songs. - For this kind of lineup Frisell uses the loops to have a bigger sound and to set the mood of the piece . Quite often without any harmonic (or rhytmic, as above) relationship with his improvisation lines played over the loop. Great show (not only for the looping side...) ciao leo From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:32:59 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 05:37:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVcyi-0004tW-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 05:37:08 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:33:06 +0000 Message-ID: <0009F995.001424@mail.bl.uk> From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) Subject: Re[2]: Frisell live To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"0R-3rC.A.aPE.n_aa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1146 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 05:37:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 9fc8b5cc00e2c703fcf5e20cf8fd47ec > actually i think he uses a digitech echo +. that is what he used in his > instructional video. I don't recall having heard mention of this before - do you have details of which company produced it, approximate date of release etc? Thanks David From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:33:13 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 07:27:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVehf-0005P6-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:27:39 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:17:26 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Dubofsky To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DOD FX-98 In-Reply-To: <199711121121.GAA18352@mcfeely.concentric.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"tg6Q7C.A.U5D.Oica0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1148 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:27:39 -0800 X-UIDL: a56b96c34b609deef447da7da9e0b887 > > > >Has anyone bought/used a DOD FX-98? Priced at only $99.50 with 8 seconds > >delay and an 18 bit signal path it sounds to good to be true. IS it looper > >friendly? How does it sound? Should I dump my SDD-2000 for one? Where do > >babies REALLY come from? > > Big question is, "Does it exist?) I called DOD about two months ago and they > hemmed and hawed and said maybe this winter . . . I have yet to see one > > I bought a 94 (4 seconds delay--no reverse) for $ 110 discounted after Ed > Chang's helpful post and am generally pleased with it (alittle regenerative > whine with some inputs) but sounds ok > 12 bit sampling It's in the new AMS catalog for $99.50, I'm going to order one unless they're lying about having it. steve d Skullsaw may cause irritation and watering of the eyes. DO NOT use Skullsaw if pregnant. Studies show Skullsaw may be habit forming. Consult your physician. http://www.gti.net/skullsaw From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:33:14 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 07:28:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVeil-0005ZE-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:28:47 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:17:32 -0500 (EST) From: Monkici@aol.com Message-ID: <971112101731_2071008665@mrin41.mail.aol.com> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: vortex trade? Resent-Message-ID: <"buefhD.A.bAE.Kjca0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1149 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:28:47 -0800 X-UIDL: dea5efffd0e2cc20de198af18dd66e4c would anyone be interested in trading a jamman for an excellent condition vortex? any other interesting trades? peace, ric 513 861 1687 From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:33:15 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 07:37:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVerX-0006ge-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:37:51 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:24:37 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: cyclone (was Vortex info) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"5ascoD.A.oGF.2rca0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1150 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:37:51 -0800 X-UIDL: ca6a5796437ecc76e170fa58c24e7476 On Tue, 11 Nov 1997, Kim Flint wrote: > The OB Strummer though, I never could figure out why anyone would want that... It's for all those guys who think that a sample of a guitar sounds even remotely like a guitar... -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:33:23 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 08:19:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVfW7-0002eC-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:19:47 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:12:54 -0500 (EST) From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <971112111253_935650688@mrin51.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Frisell live Resent-Message-ID: <"Iq5VhC.A.06B.EXda0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1151 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:19:47 -0800 X-UIDL: 9dfe127d5d29b1b4962ce8741bab6bca His instructional video? This I HAVE to see (really). Tell us more about it. I'm a big fan of Mr. Frissell and I've never heard anything about a video. T. Killian From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:33:26 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 08:32:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVfi3-00044l-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:32:07 -0800 From: Marc Lawrence Roche Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: How much should you pay for a JAMMAN--GRATITUDE Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:26:58 -0800 Message-ID: <01bcef87$cc19d640$0a2981d0@govinda.cyber-dyne.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"HPMV8D.A.3_C.8gda0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1152 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:32:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 0376a747fc9e4646901a11ebfc4adf06 For what it's worth, I sold mine (w/ expansion mem) for $500. Still waiting on my plex. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Lambrecht To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wednesday, November 12, 1997 7:11 PM Subject: Re: How much should you pay for a JAMMAN--GRATITUDE >At 12:42 PM 11/10/97 -0800, you wrote: >>At 12:02 PM 11/10/97 PST, Jeffrey Robert wrote: >>>What's the going rate for a NEW JAMMAN? OLD JAMMAN? >> >>New Jammans probably would cost you about $50,000, since Lexicon stopped >>making them quite a while ago and you would have to put it in production >>yourself! >> >>Used ones seem to be over $300 and rising. We should put a graph on the web >>page..... >> >>kim >> >> > >After about two months of chasing smoldering leads, some kind soul posted to >this group about a demo lanquishing in a music store--I was the first of >three callers the next day (the salesman was surprised, to say the >least)--paid more than I had hoped $325&tax&freight (but it does have the >factory warranty :) > >Then another kind soul posted about the 32 sec memory upgrade from >Visionsoft, which I'm expecting this week-- $ 31.80 plus $ 7 shipping >(damnn, those old chips are heavy) > >I haven't even really run my didgeridus through the thing yet--I'm having >way too much fun doing the Tibetan chorus and Tuvan throat singing thing and >phasing it with my DOD delay pedal. > >Thanks for all the info--you guys (and gals?) are good! > >Tom > >PS Now if I only had a Vortex :( . . . (Brian J.--are you listening?) >Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net > > From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:33:28 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 08:45:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVfuv-0005YF-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:45:25 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:38:44 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Dubofsky To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: FS: Korg SDD-2000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Z1zAbD.A.peE.Yuda0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1153 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:45:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 0aa1d616aaef16d94f6964258f7f9f20 For Sale: Korg SDD-2000 - up to four seconds of delay and sampling, midi, delay can read midi clocks, does the usual flanging, chorusing, etc., 64 editable patches, excellant condition - $150.00 steve d Skullsaw may cause irritation and watering of the eyes. DO NOT use Skullsaw if pregnant. Studies show Skullsaw may be habit forming. Consult your physician. http://www.gti.net/skullsaw From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:33:33 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 09:20:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVgT6-00016s-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:20:44 -0800 From: James Barnett Message-Id: <199711121713.MAA06410@echonyc.com> Subject: Re: FS: Korg SDD-2000 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:13:05 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Steven Dubofsky" at Nov 12, 97 11:38:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ukW04C.A.yQ.rOea0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1154 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:20:44 -0800 X-UIDL: c1de1518a85830b88f0015c47d41b12f Sigh. From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:33:12 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 07:26:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVegj-0005Hc-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:26:41 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971112181808.006d3f90@mail.dlc.fi> X-Sender: boppo@mail.dlc.fi X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:18:08 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Bopster Subject: Yamaha SU10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"v4LaKC.A.PtD.rgca0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1147 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:26:41 -0800 X-UIDL: 6f5478763fccc849656ce2843b0f6351 Hello loopers, I've been searching for something to loop my vocals/some drums on (mostly in live situations), and to do some small sampling with. Yesterday I found a Yamaha SU10, which seems like an acceptable alternative for me (the music stores in Finland are quite crappy...). If anyone has any excperience with this little baby, please tell me about it. Thank you, Bopster From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 15:42:33 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 11:17:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWniM-0000wm-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 11:17:06 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 11:19:56 CST From: "Brian L Jackson" Message-Id: <9710148795.AA879559624@ccbbn1.dttus.com> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: JAMMAN Upgrades? Resent-Message-ID: <"DvXLmB.A.Bm.-Qfb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1231 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 11:17:06 -0800 X-UIDL: 771ade5c3e341b626360a2a329661f21 I was looking through the list archives and ran across messages from earlier in the year about upgrades that were being considered for the Jamman. Did this ever happen? What is available? How much? etc. Brian From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 10:33:43 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 10:22:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVhQg-0000MZ-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:22:18 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:11:31 -0500 (EST) From: Drumworker@aol.com Message-ID: <971112131131_277265057@mrin45.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Advice wanted for Novice Looper Resent-Message-ID: <"8leIjB.A.gmG.RGfa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1156 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:22:18 -0800 X-UIDL: c696d4e4944992ca373f759e63ad4e68 I realize that this question has probably been asked several times before, so forgive me, but... Does the Echoplex have an "echo"-type setting that works in a way similar to the JamMan's? I intend to buy one or the other but don't know if I should own both!?! As usual, any advice/experience is appreciated. Paul O. From ???@??? Wed Nov 12 11:02:08 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 11:01:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVi2Y-0004ji-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:01:26 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820C0C51@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:49:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: BeatSync (was vortex info) Resent-Message-ID: <"AasneB.A._XD.Zqfa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1157 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:01:26 -0800 X-UIDL: faaa5a4567128b681e89d3a83fecf352 At 11:02 AM +0100 11/12/97, Haible Juergen wrote: > >The OB Echoplex can sync continuously to the old type of pulse >clock from > >old sequencers and arpeggiators, using the BeatSync jack. It >also works > >with other pulses, like drum triggers. You can even use audio >sources, like > >a metronome output or a mic'd drum or even a guitar. Just has >to be some > >kind of pulse. The sync operates the same as midi sync for >setting loop > >times, and keeping them in time. The echoplex can also drive >pulse clocks > >out the same jack, so you could sync the arpeggiator to the >loop. > >This sounds amazing ! >Asuming in the "fast" part, the Echoplex would be triggered every >500ms, and then suddenly the triggers only come every 10 seconds. >Does the Echoplex really wait these 10 seconds until it resets its >cycle, or does it only wait during some time "window" ? >And what does it play from 0.5s to 10s during the first long >loop (there isn't anything stored in this place of the RAM, I asume?) > >Sorry for the stupid question - I just cannot imagine what would happen. No, it won't do that I'm afraid. As the clock varies within a certain tolerance, the echoplex will stay in sync by retriggering the loop to keep it lined up. But if the tempo changes too much, it assumes that you don't want to stay in sync anymore and it stops trying. So then the loop just plays on in its normal length. The echoplex can't do time stretching or tape-speed-changing effects. Still very useful though, because most clocks have a lot of jitter and drift around in speed. The sync keep things lined up, so that the loop and the sequencer or whatever don't drift from each other. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 02:05:33 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 01:24:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWeT8-0002Ig-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 01:24:46 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 12:56:17 CST From: "Brian L Jackson" Message-Id: <9710148795.AA879565081@ccbbn1.dttus.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Advice wanted for Novice Looper Resent-Message-ID: <"id582D.A.SvB.1kWb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1224 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 01:24:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 3d38d7f88aa7cbe6ba3b889b4d719e55 >Message was resent -- Original recipients were: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com-------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------- I realize that this question has probably been asked several times before, so forgive me, but... Does the Echoplex have an "echo"-type setting that works in a way similar to the JamMan's? I intend to buy one or the other but don't know if I should own both!?! As usual, any advice/experience is appreciated. Paul O. If you have the means to purchase both do it! It would open up a whole world of possibilities. You could use the echo setting on the Jamman and Loop it on the Echoplex, or vice versa. Something I wish the Jamman could do alone. Very useful indeed. Brian From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:25:48 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 11:24:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xViOV-00079N-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:24:07 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820C0C51@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:14:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: BeatSync (was vortex info) Resent-Message-ID: <"P3pm_D.A.e1F.7Bga0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1158 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:24:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 8878a9b2c2409e15e6b24d3519b31d9f At 10:49 AM -0800 11/12/97, Kim Flint wrote: >At 11:02 AM +0100 11/12/97, Haible Juergen wrote: >> >The OB Echoplex can sync continuously to the old type of pulse >>clock from >> >old sequencers and arpeggiators, using the BeatSync jack. hmmmm. I said this while sleep-deprived....now that I've had a big jug of coffee I'm thinkin' it might not be quite exactly right. I'm not sure that BeatSync works with the old pulse type clocks. Pulses sent by metronomes or drum triggers or whatever, sure. But I'm not sure about those old clock lines. Does anyone know more about how those old clocks work? How many pulses are sent to define the time? It's possible it works, but I'm starting to doubt it. Matthias would know. BeatSync uses pulses to define the cycle time for the loop. So you might hit a drum trigger to define the start and stop times. (or the cycle times, if you are familiar with how the echoplex deals with cycles/multiplies/sync; meaning the total length can be some multiple of the defined cycle time.) If it turns out I'm wrong about the pulse clocks, sorry if I misled you.... kim >> It >>also works >> >with other pulses, like drum triggers. You can even use audio >>sources, like >> >a metronome output or a mic'd drum or even a guitar. Just has >>to be some >> >kind of pulse. The sync operates the same as midi sync for >>setting loop >> >times, and keeping them in time. The echoplex can also drive >>pulse clocks >> >out the same jack, so you could sync the arpeggiator to the >>loop. >> >>This sounds amazing ! > >>Asuming in the "fast" part, the Echoplex would be triggered every >>500ms, and then suddenly the triggers only come every 10 seconds. >>Does the Echoplex really wait these 10 seconds until it resets its >>cycle, or does it only wait during some time "window" ? >>And what does it play from 0.5s to 10s during the first long >>loop (there isn't anything stored in this place of the RAM, I asume?) >> >>Sorry for the stupid question - I just cannot imagine what would happen. > >No, it won't do that I'm afraid. As the clock varies within a certain >tolerance, the echoplex will stay in sync by retriggering the loop to keep >it lined up. But if the tempo changes too much, it assumes that you don't >want to stay in sync anymore and it stops trying. So then the loop just >plays on in its normal length. The echoplex can't do time stretching or >tape-speed-changing effects. Still very useful though, because most clocks >have a lot of jitter and drift around in speed. The sync keep things lined >up, so that the loop and the sequencer or whatever don't drift from each >other. > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:25:53 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 12:35:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVjVs-0006vM-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:35:48 -0800 Message-ID: <01BCEF7A.BCB10E60@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: Lexicon Vortex for Sale Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:52:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-J1r6.A.QeF.LDha0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1159 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:35:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 10e821f9bdfab8b9b3dde5f40779b6b2 There's a Lexicon Vortex for sale at Big Daddy's. Here are the particulars: http://www.ugbm.com/munit.htm Lexicon Vortex - VG $159.99 Product ID - LEX7342 Mark Kata From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:25:57 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 12:43:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVjdP-0007lj-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:43:35 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:33:10 -0500 (EST) From: Pete Koniuto Reply-To: Pete Koniuto To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Thursday: PROJECT LO Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"RDiL7D.A.FVG.FLha0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1160 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:43:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 54ad97cff7b2a6aadfac8b941b912c31 Looperfolk, Just a reminder to those in the Massachusettes area that Project Lo, featuring CARYN LIN, BON LOZAGA, et al, will be performing tomorrow night! (This event has been anticipated with much drool for many months. I'll try to contain myself at the show.) Johnny D.'s Davis Square, Somerville 9:00p $6 cover (so they tell me) Hope to see a good crowd there, supporting looing artists' live performances in the Boston area! Should be a fabulous show! Will tell afterwards. Until next time, Pete Koniuto ----------------- Music Library Boston University 617-353-3705 pkoniuto@bu.edu ----------------- From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:26:04 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 13:22:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVkEn-0003rE-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:22:13 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:11:26 -0500 (EST) From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <971112161124_1862259833@mrin41.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Frisell live Resent-Message-ID: <"Qnf5QD.A.7oC.9uha0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1161 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:22:13 -0800 X-UIDL: 087728b9fe6a80bd443c7ca4a84f845c digitech made the echo +. it is a pedal with i think 8 seconds of delay. you can find them used for about 100-150 bucks. =-) PJ From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:26:05 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 13:28:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVkKk-0004bV-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:28:22 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:16:33 -0500 (EST) From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <971112161632_-1039712480@mrin43.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Frisell live Resent-Message-ID: <"J5ln0.A.MHD.yzha0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1163 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:28:22 -0800 X-UIDL: 6906775c393db140af25e7cc3cc4107d the video is called The Guitar Artistry of Bill Frisell. It is about an hour and has his old trio of kermit and joey. they play "When We Go," "Strange Meeting," "Rag," and "The Days of Wine and Roses." Bill also discusses his influences, gear, technique, harmony and arranging. it is a pretty cool video but more for the music than the information. it can be bought in Sam Ashe. it is marketed by Rittor Music. =-) PJ From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:26:06 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 13:28:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVkKv-0004dC-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:28:33 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:17:05 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: darcyc@srvr5.engin.umich.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BCEF7A.BCB10E60@mark.asisoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Darcy Clark Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex for Sale Resent-Message-ID: <"LD6HhB.A.kDD.Vzha0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1162 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:28:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 4757026aff817845b798d845db60d118 As usual I got there just after someone else bought it, DOH !!! Darcy >There's a Lexicon Vortex for sale at Big Daddy's. Here are the particulars: > >http://www.ugbm.com/munit.htm >Lexicon Vortex - VG >$159.99 >Product ID - LEX7342 > >Mark Kata Darcy Clark +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Materials Science and Engineering Department University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2136 USA +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Room 2130, Dow Building Phone (313) 764 3377 Fax (313) 763 4788 E-mail darcyc@engin.umich.edu http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/mse250 http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/people/darcyc/ http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:26:07 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 13:31:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVkN5-0004tG-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:30:47 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 14:17:26 MST Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: "Bret Moreland" Subject: re:OB midi boxes (was cyclone (was Vortex info)) X-Incognito-SN: 368 X-Incognito-Version: 4.10.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"1xM5HD.A._ZD.X2ha0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1164 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:30:47 -0800 X-UIDL: a547481e366f51aa28fa791be598b7ba >Kim wrote: >The OB Strummer though, I never could figure out why anyone would want that... ----------------- Speaking of these OB midi boxes, do any of you have experience with the Oberheim Drummer? The description I see says that the drum patterns in the OB will respond to an audio input, say a guitar or bass, and create fills, etc. Is it musical? I miss playing with a drummer. I don't enjoy creating patterns on my Alesis HR-16 (though I like the drum sample sounds), and besides, they just repeat the program. No dynamic response to live performance. If the OB would control my Alesis, play a basic beat, and respond to what I play in some directed manner, this might feel more like working with a live drummer. Re Jamman availability and cost, I saw an internet ad for a Jamman for over $700 yesterday. The copy said "it's a steal" at that price. While this price is clearly absurd, I hope there isn't a trend of price upflex on the used market for the Jamman. I sold mine, with full memory for $250 this year. The world needs an inexpensive dedicated, HiFi loop box for the people who would never think of spending the money for an EDP, but would still have the time of their lives with a looper. The guy I sold mine to never expressed any interest in loopers, until I gave him the Jamman to try. After 1 night with it he was sold! bret From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:26:08 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 13:37:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVkSw-0005ar-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:36:50 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971112212705.008d6498@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:27:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex for Sale Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"tyQO3C.A.EME.z8ha0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1165 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:36:50 -0800 X-UIDL: 6900875e58c28870d3e89ae83e50afe4 With Jammans going over $500 and Vortexes selling within minutes, it's beginning to sound like investing in JamMans and Vortexes might be more profitable than the stock market..... Anyone want to sell stock in their Vortex? Maybe we can arrange an echoplex/vortex stock swap? :-) kim At 04:17 PM 11/12/97 -0500, Darcy Clark wrote: >As usual I got there just after someone else bought it, DOH !!! > >Darcy > >>There's a Lexicon Vortex for sale at Big Daddy's. Here are the particulars: >> >>http://www.ugbm.com/munit.htm >>Lexicon Vortex - VG >>$159.99 >>Product ID - LEX7342 >> >>Mark Kata > > >Darcy Clark >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Materials Science and Engineering Department >University of Michigan >Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2136 >USA >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Room 2130, Dow Building >Phone (313) 764 3377 >Fax (313) 763 4788 >E-mail darcyc@engin.umich.edu >http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/mse250 >http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/people/darcyc/ >http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:26:09 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 13:48:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVkeM-0006uq-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:48:38 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:38:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711122138.QAA26784@newman.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex for Sale Resent-Message-ID: <"3fpNoB.A.PbF.SHia0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1166 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:48:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 085a81251e831185aa59a2069a89cbb0 At 02:52 PM 11/12/97 -0500, you wrote: >There's a Lexicon Vortex for sale at Big Daddy's. Here are the particulars: > >http://www.ugbm.com/munit.htm >Lexicon Vortex - VG >$159.99 >Product ID - LEX7342 > >Mark Kata > > > > It doseny' exist--twas sold at least two weeks ago when I first called, tho it is still cluttering up their website. Call and give em some shit Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:26:11 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 13:58:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVknY-0000D1-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:58:08 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:45:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex for Sale Resent-Message-ID: <"sfDhNB.A.ufG.4Qia0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1168 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:58:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 95ca337ba924ca9a4bfa6bae85e32a26 >With Jammans going over $500 and Vortexes selling within minutes, it's >beginning to sound like investing in JamMans and Vortexes might be more >profitable than the stock market..... > >Anyone want to sell stock in their Vortex? Maybe we can arrange an >echoplex/vortex stock swap? :-) > >kim > I can see it now, the JamMan/Vortex becomes the next TB 303/TR 808. Selling for $1200 bucks each. Endless internet arguments claiming that you can't do REAL loop music unles you have a JamMan. I can hardly wait. But who'll become the Josh Wink of the JamMan? ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:26:18 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 14:18:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVl7I-0002PQ-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:18:32 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971112214919.008ef4fc@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:49:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: re:OB midi boxes (was cyclone (was Vortex info)) Cc: Resent-Message-ID: <"CDyAmC.A.wUB.Ukia0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1170 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:18:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 247fd7c2c67cde2ccfc507e800a786ac I always thought the OB Drummer sounded interesting too. I only had a brief opportunity to play around with it once, ironically using it to control an HR-16 drum machine. Even then I think I just had it do the on-board demo. I don't remember it too well, but I do remember it doing interesting things with tempo variations and giving the patterns a "human" feel. It's probably never been super popular since it doesn't actually contain it's own sounds, just midi drum sequences. But in some respects that makes it more interesting, because you aren't constrained by a limited set of samples on a given drum machine device. And as I recall, it has a very large number of drum pattern sequences programmed into it. Chances are a lot of them are better than most of us could come up with on our own, especially if you just want something quick. And the real-world responsiveness part would be really cool if it works. Maybe one of the Oberheim folk could further enlighten us? kim At 02:17 PM 11/12/97 MST, Bret Moreland wrote: > >>Kim wrote: > >>The OB Strummer though, I never could figure out why anyone would want >that... >----------------- > >Speaking of these OB midi boxes, do any of you have experience with the >Oberheim Drummer? The description I see says that the drum patterns in >the OB will respond to an audio input, say a guitar or bass, and create >fills, etc. > >Is it musical? I miss playing with a drummer. I don't enjoy creating >patterns on my Alesis HR-16 (though I like the drum sample sounds), and >besides, they just repeat the program. No dynamic response to live >performance. If the OB would control my Alesis, play a basic beat, and >respond to what I play in some directed manner, this might feel more like >working with a live drummer. > >Re Jamman availability and cost, I saw an internet ad for a Jamman for >over $700 yesterday. The copy said "it's a steal" at that price. While >this price is clearly absurd, I hope there isn't a trend of price upflex >on the used market for the Jamman. I sold mine, with full memory for $250 >this year. The world needs an inexpensive dedicated, HiFi loop box for >the people who would never think of spending the money for an EDP, but >would still have the time of their lives with a looper. The guy I sold >mine to never expressed any interest in loopers, until I gave him the >Jamman to try. After 1 night with it he was sold! > >bret > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:26:11 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 14:01:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVkqW-0000YX-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:01:12 -0800 Message-Id: <97Nov12.155045cst.26889@gateway.gibson.com> X-Sender: tspauldi@mail.nash.gibson.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:50:24 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Spaulding Subject: re:OB midi boxes (was cyclone (was Vortex info)) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"ZfmMU.A.ryG.aTia0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1169 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:01:12 -0800 X-UIDL: b2bcf7413dde3a51ebdf5ecb69e89c03 If I may quote Mark Vail's July 1991 review of the Drummer... "Compared to the playback capabilities of...drum machines, Drummer pretty much sits on its own drum throne...it can start when you do, it'll get louder when you do, and it will play a fill to occupy the gap in the music - automatically. One of the neatest benefits of Song Mode is that, should presets with different tempos be strung together, Drummer will - during playback- start adjusting the tempo of the following preset. Thus, there will be smooth, rather than abrupt, changes in tempo. Drummer belongs in the catagory of devices that, with minimal user orientation, can be integrated into a MIDI setup and start generating satifying results almost immediately. ...Once you get familiar with it, you'll probably develop a closer relationship with Drummer than you've had with any drum machine, bercause you won't be stuk with programmed drum tracks that play exactly the same part everytime" I have seen used Drummers for very low cost. They retail new for $199.00. Tom At 03:17 PM 11/12/97 -0600, you wrote: > >>Kim wrote: > >>The OB Strummer though, I never could figure out why anyone would want >that... >----------------- > >Speaking of these OB midi boxes, do any of you have experience with the >Oberheim Drummer? The description I see says that the drum patterns in >the OB will respond to an audio input, say a guitar or bass, and create >fills, etc. > >Is it musical? I miss playing with a drummer. I don't enjoy creating >patterns on my Alesis HR-16 (though I like the drum sample sounds), and >besides, they just repeat the program. No dynamic response to live >performance. If the OB would control my Alesis, play a basic beat, and >respond to what I play in some directed manner, this might feel more like >working with a live drummer. > >Re Jamman availability and cost, I saw an internet ad for a Jamman for >over $700 yesterday. The copy said "it's a steal" at that price. While >this price is clearly absurd, I hope there isn't a trend of price upflex >on the used market for the Jamman. I sold mine, with full memory for $250 >this year. The world needs an inexpensive dedicated, HiFi loop box for >the people who would never think of spending the money for an EDP, but >would still have the time of their lives with a looper. The guy I sold >mine to never expressed any interest in loopers, until I gave him the >Jamman to try. After 1 night with it he was sold! > >bret > > > From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:26:38 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 16:11:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVmt1-0005ro-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:11:55 -0800 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:04:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: lowfrqcy@west.net (Ryan Blum) Subject: Re[2]: Frisell live Resent-Message-ID: <"ddSQdC.A.DyE._Pka0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1171 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:11:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 2cc53e749f1886ac45ca6a42f80a2a89 >> actually i think he uses a digitech echo +. that is what he used in his >> instructional video. >I don't recall having heard mention of this before - do you have details of >which company produced it, approximate date of release etc? The Echo+Plus is the market name for the 2-pedaled digitech monster we've been talking about (the PDS-8000). I'm looking at it right now, and somehow I've always neglected the "trigger input"...I didn't get the manual with mine, what might a pedal plugged in here do? I'm sure I could experiment, but that would involve me getting off of my duff to go buy a pedal. maybe later... Ryan -- "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." -Albert Einstein From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:26:59 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 20:02:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVqTc-0001m6-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:01:56 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Stop Plex gremlins! Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:55:53 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"UfBmYB.A.qJB.Mpna0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1172 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:01:56 -0800 X-UIDL: 44010d9dc19a826e59b9d2f02815ef7a Oh No now its happening to me... again. O.K.,(deep breath) has anyone here had a problem with the plex flashing the Ld 3.2 message along with 0.00 in the time slot?The front panel buttons dont get me anywhere. This just started last night. This problem seems to go away after reinitializing on boot up but its not holding my settings in memory.Is this hardware or will these little gremlins be swept away by installing Loop5.0?Please tell me this is a common problem and is something I ve missed reading in the bug list. Also the beat sync input does not function on my Echoplex anyone have this problem also? Help is more than greatly appreciated. Thanks everyone ! K Law From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:27:08 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 21:23:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVrk1-0000uG-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:22:57 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Re: Stop Plex gremlins! Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:17:16 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"ENnJRC.A.6S.h1oa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1177 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:22:57 -0800 X-UIDL: b894bf967a0e8cde5861af20cbfce9c4 > >>This problem seems to go away after reinitializing on >>boot up but its not holding my settings in memory. > >So the next time you switch it on (without holding Param), its crashing again? >>>>>>Yes until its re initialized. >>Is this hardware > >Probably the EEPROM (non volatile memory) > >>these little gremlins be swept away by installing Loop5.0? > >I doubt it. >>>>>>>Wonder if I could get Oberheim to send new EEPROM( without sending >>>>>>>unit into oblivion)Unit is still very much under warranty. >>Also the beat sync input does not function on my Echoplex > >Maybe you did not quite understand its function. >Does the Plex's green dot between the two multiple digits flash when its in >Reset and receives sync pulses? >If it does, the next Record will be quantized to fit into the puls pattern >it receives. From then on it will stay synced, confirming with the same >green dot whenever it corrects time. >>>>I was attempting to use it for stuttering effects as outlined in the >>>>manual & discussed recently on this list.I have tried using a >>>>footswitch & several audio sources with sync "In"enabled I also >>>>disconected midi but no action. On the subject : Is the upgrade available from Oberheim- Nashville now? Matthias thanks for your reply. K Law From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:27:01 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 20:47:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVrB8-0005Vo-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:46:54 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <97Nov12.155045cst.26889@gateway.gibson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:39:50 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: re:OB midi boxes (was cyclone (was Vortex info)) Resent-Message-ID: <"7Dt29.A.tLE.yPoa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1175 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:46:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 8010e896aadfed0efb761f3d0abc37d6 >If I may quote Mark Vail's July 1991 review of the Drummer... > >"Compared to the playback capabilities of...drum machines, Drummer pretty >much sits on its own drum throne...it can start when you do, it'll get >louder when you do, and it will play a fill to occupy the gap in the music >- automatically. > >One of the neatest benefits of Song Mode is that, should presets with >different tempos be strung together, Drummer will - during playback- start >adjusting the tempo of the following preset. Thus, there will be smooth, >rather than abrupt, changes in tempo. So now we have to create a looper that slowly adjusts to those tempo changes? As it changes between loops of different speeds? Oh boy... Matthias From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:27:01 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 20:46:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVrAz-0005Uy-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:46:45 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0000535C.4007@poyry.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:39:50 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: sync (was: Frisell live) Resent-Message-ID: <"YDwj5B.A.bKE.rPoa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1173 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:46:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 1350ec9b51d44e2fe980ea404fb960bd Miguel said > That's it. > Lets get rid of the sync paranoia. > Long life for the freestyle looping aproach. I know its not meant very seriously, but nevertheless I feel like saying: Syncing is a very natural, human, probably even ethic thing. We are learning about it on all levels, from daily live rhithms to human relations to globalization - nothing to get paranoid, but not to get rid of either, something to learn, through watches, pulses, phone calls, telepathic feelings... Ok, if the moon month was syncronized to the earth year, the chines calender would match the western... we are not all that powerfull and have to be able to live with or even love chaos, too... So each one works at a different front. Matthias From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:27:00 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 20:46:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVrAm-0005TH-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:46:32 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820C0C51@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:39:50 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: BeatSync (was vortex info) Resent-Message-ID: <"TK2qRC.A.4KE.uPoa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1174 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:46:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 268e52e0fb81c38ebfb219f52e273ea4 Juergens question: >>Asuming in the "fast" part, the Echoplex would be triggered every >>500ms, and then suddenly the triggers only come every 10 seconds. >>Does the Echoplex really wait these 10 seconds until it resets its >>cycle, or does it only wait during some time "window" ? >>And what does it play from 0.5s to 10s during the first long >>loop (there isn't anything stored in this place of the RAM, I asume?) >> >>Sorry for the stupid question - I just cannot imagine what would happen. Kims answer: >No, it won't do that I'm afraid. As the clock varies within a certain >tolerance, the echoplex will stay in sync by retriggering the loop to keep >it lined up. But if the tempo changes too much, it assumes that you don't >want to stay in sync anymore and it stops trying. So then the loop just >plays on in its normal length. The echoplex can't do time stretching or >tape-speed-changing effects. Still very useful though, because most clocks >have a lot of jitter and drift around in speed. The sync keep things lined >up, so that the loop and the sequencer or whatever don't drift from each >other. What great companion Kim sais is all true but maybe does not answer the question quite exactly: The sync corrections happens whenever a sync pulse comes in close to the loop end. I understand from Juergens example that the Plex contains a 500ms loop. When the sync signal does not come for 10 seconds, it repeats the 500ms phrase freely during the "time window" but does the syncing after 10 seconds since this is a multiple of 500ms. So yes, it stays in sync, but does not slow down 20 times, as you might want :-). And yes, if you slow down to say 9.8 seconds, it will not sync any more. Kim again, after strong coffee: >Does anyone know more about how those old clocks work? How many >pulses are sent to define the time? It's possible it works, but I'm >starting to doubt it. Matthias would know. Me? Never heard of "old clocks". I also assumed simple pulses... Matthias From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:27:02 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 20:57:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVrLE-0006ca-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:57:20 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:54:41 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Stop Plex gremlins! Resent-Message-ID: <"uxBfLD.A.KrF.mdoa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1176 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:57:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 15f66b0d0460e1e8c4bad9ce7eaee2e9 >Oh No now its happening to me... again. O.K.,(deep breath) has anyone here >had a problem with the plex flashing the Ld 3.2 message along with 0.00 in >the time slot?The front panel buttons dont get me anywhere. A software crash, maybe because it is not able to read the parameters. >This problem seems to go away after reinitializing on >boot up but its not holding my settings in memory. So the next time you switch it on (without holding Param), its crashing again? >Is this hardware Probably the EEPROM (non volatile memory) >these little gremlins be swept away by installing Loop5.0? I doubt it. >Also the beat sync input does not function on my Echoplex Maybe you did not quite understand its function. Does the Plex's green dot between the two multiple digits flash when its in Reset and receives sync pulses? If it does, the next Record will be quantized to fit into the puls pattern it receives. From then on it will stay synced, confirming with the same green dot whenever it corrects time. Matthias From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 00:27:13 1997 >From kflint Wed Nov 12 23:23:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVtcj-0001h1-00; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:23:33 -0800 Message-ID: <346AABE7.F5096A66@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:27:35 -0500 From: mark sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu Organization: metaliminal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Zero Crossing. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <34604CAB.446B@scee.sony.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qLN3KD.A.SJB.rnqa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1178 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:23:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 8e9afe4d1eff71851dc2f246a48561ea Zero Crossing will be playing along with a few other experimental bands this friday at the Westcott community center in Syracuse NY from 7-10pm. Abstract Hip Hop for free! Whooo hoooo! Mark. From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 02:36:40 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 02:10:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVwET-0002mJ-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:10:41 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:31:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Stop Plex gremlins! Resent-Message-ID: <"rTnnc.A.PDC.JDta0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1179 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:10:41 -0800 X-UIDL: c8dbdb5ac892ed8b6c5188fb850a1908 At 12:17 AM -0500 11/13/97, klaw@iglou.com wrote: >> >>>This problem seems to go away after reinitializing on >>>boot up but its not holding my settings in memory. >> >>So the next time you switch it on (without holding Param), its crashing >>again? >>>>>>>Yes until its re initialized. >>>Is this hardware >> >>Probably the EEPROM (non volatile memory) >> >>>these little gremlins be swept away by installing Loop5.0? >> >>I doubt it. >>>>>>>>Wonder if I could get Oberheim to send new EEPROM( without sending >>>>>>>>unit into oblivion)Unit is still very much under warranty. It sounds like your problem is definitely hardware, and quite certainly caused by the parameters not being read properly out of the eeprom. A dead or sick eeprom is very likely, but it could also be caused by one of the parts that controls the eeprom. The ideal thing would be to have Oberheim repair it so that they can check it all out and replace the eeprom if necessary. They should be settled down from the move and management change by now, so that shouldn't be a problem. You could get the new software put in at the same time.... Or you could buy the eeprom from digikey, they only cost about $.80. It's a pain to replace though, because you have to take the whole circuit board out to desolder the old one. Definitely not something to attempt unless you are knowledgeable about electronics repair. >>>Also the beat sync input does not function on my Echoplex >> >>Maybe you did not quite understand its function. >>Does the Plex's green dot between the two multiple digits flash when its in >>Reset and receives sync pulses? >>If it does, the next Record will be quantized to fit into the puls pattern >>it receives. From then on it will stay synced, confirming with the same >>green dot whenever it corrects time. >>>>>I was attempting to use it for stuttering effects as outlined in the >>>>>manual & discussed recently on this list.I have tried using a >>>>>footswitch & several audio sources with sync "In"enabled I also >>>>>disconected midi but no action. Ah, doing stuttering and loop retriggering is not the same as sync! That must be the confusion. You can use pulses on beatsync to retrigger loops (in addition to using them for sync). Do it this way: - Plug a momentary switch or drum trigger or some other pulse generating thing into BeatSync. - Record a loop - Press Mute - Press Multiply. Now you are in a "retrigger with beatsync mode" - Send pulse to BeatSync. The loop will trigger at the beginning and play once through. Each time you pulse BeatSync again it will retrigger the loop - that's how you get the stuttering. You can also do this with Mute-Insert, where each press of Insert retriggers the loop and gives the stuttering effects. Or another way is using midi for LoopTriggering, with SamplerStyle set to "one." Whatever works. Loop retriggering works better with the new software. There were some bugs fixed there, and some big changes in the way memory is used. In the old software it wouldn't do retriggers unless the loop was much shorter than the total available loop time. (which could also be your problem) With the new software you can retrigger with maximum length loops that take the whole memory, and there's no problem. >On the subject : Is the upgrade available from Oberheim- Nashville now? It better be! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 02:36:39 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 02:10:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVwEF-0002ku-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:10:27 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <1BF5E20E0C4DD111BBAB00805FE2D5820C0C51@nbgm336a.nbgm.siemens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:38:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: BeatSync (was vortex info) Resent-Message-ID: <"87W5s.A.iDC.LDta0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1180 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:10:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 2222bfdad31fe3ad6b44e08f3f317286 At 2:39 AM -0300 11/13/97, Matthias Grob wrote: >Kim again, after strong coffee: >>Does anyone know more about how those old clocks work? How many >>pulses are sent to define the time? It's possible it works, but I'm >>starting to doubt it. Matthias would know. > >Me? Never heard of "old clocks". I also assumed simple pulses... > >Matthias Me, sleep-deprived again: The question is about the type of clock generated by old analog arpeggiators and sequencers, from before midi. Does it send a pulse each beat? A pulse at each bar? At the beginning of the sequence? Or does it send many pulses for each beat, the way midi clock works? It would be fun to figure out how to sync the old analog stuff up to modern loopers. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 02:36:41 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 02:10:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVwEW-0002mi-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:10:44 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <971112131131_277265057@mrin45.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:02:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Advice wanted for Novice Looper Resent-Message-ID: <"Ra9GB.A.uEC.QDta0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1181 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:10:44 -0800 X-UIDL: b5338f2aac54b99b576b6cb1564f4bb3 At 1:11 PM -0500 11/12/97, Drumworker@aol.com wrote: >I realize that this question has probably been asked several times before, so >forgive me, but... > >Does the Echoplex have an "echo"-type setting that works in a way similar to >the JamMan's? I intend to buy one or the other but don't know if I should own >both!?! yes it has Delay mode, which I imagine is similar. Audio always goes into the delay line, like a traditional delay. The Overdub button then becomes a "hold" function, where feedback is set to 100% and audio is no longer added to the loop. Unlike the jamman, the echoplex's feedback can be set with much finer resolution. (I think the jamman only has 16 steps) All the other echoplex functions work the normal way in delay mode. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 10:19:21 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 03:31:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xVxUs-0006Eg-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 03:31:42 -0800 From: Anthony Bowyer-Lowe To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at post.mail.demon.net Subject: Re: BeatSync (was vortex info) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:35:38 -0000 Message-ID: <01bcf01f$e268c260$LocalHost@amudarya> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"2ll_YB.A.PfF.aQua0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1182 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 03:31:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 77b739867bf5c00ca2922bfd6486c7aa >The question is about the type of clock generated by old analog >arpeggiators and sequencers, from before midi. Does it send a pulse each >beat? A pulse at each bar? At the beginning of the sequence? Or does it >send many pulses for each beat, the way midi clock works? Okay people... Well, sync24 is the most common vintage method of synchronising analogue equipment, as found on old drum machines (Roland TR808, TR606) and synths/sequencers (eg Roland MC-202). As it's name suggests, it consists of 24 voltage pulses (normally +5v, for around 5ms) per quarter note. Yup, just like midi clock... Also found is sync48, which is used by some old Korg drum machines, and consists of 48 pulses per quarter note. I just sync my Korg DDM220 to standard Roland sync24 (also known as Din Sync as it uses a 5 pin DIN plug, easily confused with midi), and program the Korg in double time... To confuse matters further, sync48 also uses a 5 pin Din plug. Most analogue sequencers and arpeggiators just have a trigger in/out which advance the sequence by one step. Usually just a positive going pulse (+5v), although some equipment used a negative going pulse (-5v), or a short to ground (S-Trig). >It would be fun to figure out how to sync the old analog stuff up to modern >loopers. I figure it'd be a great project (for people like us) to build a little sync utility box. It'd have a bunch of converters to convert between the varying types of pulse, and a clock divider which output a trigger every x input pulses... More information of this kind can be found through the analogue heaven mailing list (www.hyperreal.com/music/machines/) or synth-diy. Questions? Analogue freak, and budding looper, ynohtnA. -- Anthony Bowyer-Lowe. The Essence Of Anthony. http://www.amudarya.demon.co.uk/ From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 10:19:28 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 07:11:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW0vY-0001aJ-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:11:28 -0800 X-Sender: nicomonguzzi@mail.vtx.ch Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:31:04 +0100 To: Loopers Delight * Mail List From: "nicomonguzzi" Subject: Stuttering ? & jovanotti Resent-Message-ID: <"b3_Zj.A.G7.ucxa0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1184 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:11:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 3bc0b74312023b3d447b28aa4f7797fd ciao a tutti. 1> anyone can explain the technique of STUTTERING... 2> yersteday evening i've seen a very nice concert of the italian rap funk singer Jovanotti with is very good band. The guitar player (maybe Michele Centonze, i'm not sure) was using an Echoplex. ciao ciao nicos From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 17:29:16 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 13:04:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW6Qp-0004Rz-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:04:07 -0800 Message-Id: <199711132042.MAA20920@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: going price for a eh 16 or a buchla thunder? Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 14:46:33 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"A_QelB.A.rED.bj2a0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1193 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:04:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 6e0ef71d64fbfece5270584d92b16e21 > >What do you all think is the going rate for a used EH 16 or a Buchla >Thunder? Cheapest I've seen a EH16 for is $800. $1200 is not unheard of. Travis From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 10:19:37 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 09:42:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW3Hf-0006od-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:42:27 -0800 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:31:30 -0500 (EST) From: MiqSk8@aol.com Message-ID: <971113123128_1104457371@mrin58.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex for Sale Resent-Message-ID: <"aYKVOB.A.cTF.wmza0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1185 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:42:27 -0800 X-UIDL: bbc8616e0801466cf90033f1aae788fe well, much to my own displeasure, i am forced to share a source that i really can't afford to take advantage of: http://iguana.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1814492 i am actually the high bidder on this-but i've had something else come up(a baby!!!) and auction web frowns on backing out.... i've talked with the owner-seems in good shape, includes wart, a/b and a continuous controller as well... help me(and yourself out).. pouting :( From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 10:19:40 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 10:04:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW3dE-0001Ww-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:04:44 -0800 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:53:27 -0500 (EST) From: MiqSk8@aol.com Message-ID: <971113125327_664226268@mrin44.mail.aol.com> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: re:vrotex for sale Resent-Message-ID: <"6lAVUD.A.gV.e7za0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1187 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:04:44 -0800 X-UIDL: c790a88c27d71c9077a5d2f5d57fba80 well, much to my own displeasure, i am forced to share a source that i really can't afford to take advantage of: http://iguana.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1814492 i am actually the high bidder on this-but i've had something else come up(a baby!!!) and auction web frowns on backing out.... i've talked with the owner-seems in good shape, includes wart, a/b and a continuous controller as well... help me(and yourself out).. pouting :( From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 17:29:07 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 11:28:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW4vv-0002V7-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:28:07 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:39:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Stuttering ? & jovanotti Resent-Message-ID: <"X7ExgB.A.jHB.cI1a0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1189 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:28:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 23f665af564b03b8f70f307c16a7c98c At 3:31 PM +0100 11/13/97, nicomonguzzi wrote: >ciao a tutti. >1> anyone can explain the technique of STUTTERING... That's where you have some longer sample, and trigger it several times quickly before letting it play through. So you repeat the beginning several times. Often you make some sort of rhythm out of it. You hear it a lot in hip-hop, either done with a sampler or on a turntable. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 17:29:08 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 11:28:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW4w6-0002W5-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:28:18 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bcf01f$e268c260$LocalHost@amudarya> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:52:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: BeatSync (was vortex info) Resent-Message-ID: <"kn0phC.A.WIB.hI1a0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1190 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:28:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 90c5b42c51de73af96856c9ae49d5285 At 10:35 AM +0000 11/13/97, Anthony Bowyer-Lowe wrote: Excellent info, thanks! some questions: >>The question is about the type of clock generated by old analog >>arpeggiators and sequencers, from before midi. Does it send a pulse each >>beat? A pulse at each bar? At the beginning of the sequence? Or does it >>send many pulses for each beat, the way midi clock works? >Well, sync24 is the most common vintage method of synchronising analogue >equipment, as found on old drum machines (Roland TR808, TR606) and >synths/sequencers (eg Roland MC-202). > >As it's name suggests, it consists of 24 voltage pulses (normally +5v, for >around 5ms) per quarter note. Yup, just like midi clock... ok, I thought as much. For the Echoplex BeatSync jack this would not be appropriate. Sounds like it would be pretty easy to convert sync24 to midi clock, though, since the frequency of the pulses is the same. There must be some box out there that does this? >Most analogue sequencers and arpeggiators just have a trigger in/out which >advance the sequence by one step. Usually just a positive going pulse (+5v), >although some equipment used a negative going pulse (-5v), or a short to >ground (S-Trig). This might be an interesting possibility, but I'm not sure I understand. So this pulse would come out each time the sequence restarts? Or is it each 1/8th note (or whatever is the step size of the sequencer)? Either way, that one could work for the Echoplex BeatSync, although I don't know what other device would use it. >>It would be fun to figure out how to sync the old analog stuff up to modern >>loopers. > >I figure it'd be a great project (for people like us) to build a little >sync utility box. It'd have a bunch of converters to convert between the >varying types of pulse, and a clock divider which output a trigger every >x input pulses... With so many people using the old synths in modern setups, I'd almost think this had already been done! Maybe not with so much versatility. I think something that can covert the Sync24 to midi clock would be fine for any midi sync-able loop device. thanks, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 17:29:12 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 12:40:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW63q-0001wn-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:40:22 -0800 From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 14:21:00 EST Encoding: 19 Text Message-Id: <9710138794.AA879463259@mail.amsinc.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:Lo-Fi StutterinG Resent-Message-ID: <"sz4EHD.A.Y4.4N2a0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1192 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:40:22 -0800 X-UIDL: 246626c9157619a39a3ab19e5984548d >ciao a tutti. >1> anyone can explain the technique of STUTTERING... Is 'stuttering' the 'd-d-d-d-d-d-d' sound on aggressive drum & bass tracks you mean (ala Squarepusher, Alec Empire, Plug, etc..)? I've also heard that referred to as "machine-gunning". I don't know how other people do it but I've approximated the effect with a Boss RV-3 Digital Reverb/Delay pedal by setting the regen on the highest setting, the delay time on the lowest/fastest setting and manually triggering it when an appropriate drum beat hits. Also when you twist the delay time knob it automatically makes the delay signal either cut off (typically the desired effect) or go haywire. The complete opposite of what the fabled Echo +/P(R)DS8000 does. I like to use the RV-3 before the PDS8000 so I can speed up or slow down the hits even more. Now what about "timestretching"? ed chang From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 11:15:54 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 10:30:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW42O-0004Qg-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:30:44 -0800 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bcf01f$e268c260$LocalHost@amudarya> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:23:45 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: BeatSync (was vortex info) Resent-Message-ID: <"JmX2kD.A.vID.TU0a0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1188 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:30:44 -0800 X-UIDL: b5c0c3a925f632054ad2de6c210d362d Anthony helps competentely about "old clocks": >Well, sync24 is the most common vintage method of synchronising analogue >equipment, as found on old drum machines (Roland TR808, TR606) and >synths/sequencers (eg Roland MC-202). > >As it's name suggests, it consists of 24 voltage pulses (normally +5v, for >around 5ms) per quarter note. Yup, just like midi clock... This makes me think that I could connect the 8th/beat counter to BeatSync, too. So this parameter would not only define the number of clocks / 8th note for MIDISync but also the number of pulses / loop (actually: cycle) for BeatSync. But then again, someone might use MIDI and BeatSync simultaneously, one in and the other out... >Most analogue sequencers and arpeggiators just have a trigger in/out which >advance the sequence by one step. Usually just a positive going pulse (+5v), >although some equipment used a negative going pulse (-5v), or a short to >ground (S-Trig). We did the last version, I call it OpenCollector (OC). The BeatSync line is softly (10kOhm) pulled up to +5V and can be shorted to ground either from outside (as input) or from inside (as output). The big advantage of this system is that many machines can stay connected and send or receive pulses simultaneously (as long as you keep track of what happens :-) >I figure it'd be a great project (for people like us) to build a little >sync utility box. It'd have a bunch of converters to convert between the >varying types of pulse, and a clock divider which output a trigger every >x input pulses... This might be smarter than changing the Plex, since I do not have enough parameters to cover up all options and also, there might only be a hand full of those crazy analog sound creators,,, wrong? Anyway, I love to learn about those things, thank you. Matthias From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 17:29:13 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 12:40:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW644-0001yT-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:40:36 -0800 Message-ID: <19971113202810.8479.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.99] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: going price for a eh 16 or a buchla thunder? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:28:10 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"PX6ksD.A.eu.eM2a0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1191 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:40:36 -0800 X-UIDL: b84da8c6ded500b0870c313d8c057369 Hi- What do you all think is the going rate for a used EH 16 or a Buchla Thunder? Much thanks, Buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 10:19:39 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 10:01:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW3aL-0001Bi-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:01:45 -0800 Message-ID: Date: 13 Nov 1997 12:41:17 -0800 From: "Hartnett, Travis" Subject: FS: Kahler Human Clock $150 To: "Loopers Delight postings" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Name="Message Body" Resent-Message-ID: <"Fz6-XB.A.QSH.U4za0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1186 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:01:45 -0800 X-UIDL: d56bba89a96c7c67ff96c02cfe445168 With all the recent talk of syncing old gear up, this might be of interest to someone: (from Harmony Central) Kahler Human Clock/Midiman Sync Box $150 Asking Price: US$150 Condition: Mint Age: 6 years Description: Sync your midi sequencer to live tracks or generate FSK for perfect sync from your computer or stand alone sequencer. The Human Clock even allows your sequencer to follow a live drummer. 2 excellent pieces of gear now discontinued but still very cool! midisync@mindspring.com Seller: Bill Campbell, E-mail: midisync@mindspring.com Location: ATLANTA, GA Post Date: 11/13/97 From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 17:29:24 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 14:16:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW7YR-0004bE-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:16:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199711132151.NAA27924@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: GEAR Question: Roland GR-700 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:59:26 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gHIj4.A.cfD.Ep3a0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1195 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:16:03 -0800 X-UIDL: 9b539536a48e189f42d9f631b973d82a > From: Markus Reuter > i just spotted a Roland GR-700 guitar synth (including the > guitar) in a turkish second hand store over here in germany. > > is it worth getting it? > what's a reasonable price for a used GR-700 nowadays? I've never played one, but the earlier GR-300 is supposed to track better. The GR-700 uses MIDI to trigger the sounds (hence the delay) and I seem to remember that it didn't transmit pitch bend information (don't quote me on that). I remember that Andy Summers and Robert Fripp preferred the GR-300 because it "felt" better to play and had a more "organic" sound (it's basically an analog synth). Matt From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 17:29:33 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 14:48:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW83g-00003E-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:48:20 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199711132239.OAA09401@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: GEAR Question: Roland GR-700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:39:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199711132151.NAA27924@gw1.bi-tech.com> from "Matt McCabe" at Nov 13, 97 01:59:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pPqRO.A.TlG.wG4a0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1196 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:48:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 7ccedbddbdc2831ab1812ef68008cc70 > > From: Markus Reuter > > > i just spotted a Roland GR-700 guitar synth (including the > > guitar) in a turkish second hand store over here in germany. > > > > is it worth getting it? > > what's a reasonable price for a used GR-700 nowadays? > > I've never played one, but the earlier GR-300 is supposed to track better. > The GR-700 uses MIDI to trigger the sounds (hence the delay) and I seem to > remember that it didn't transmit pitch bend information (don't quote me on > that). No, the GR700 does not use MIDI to trigger its internal sounds. Like the GR300, it is an analog synth. Here's some useful information posted by Thomas Sullivan to Digital Guitar Digest #30: Well, the GR700 also has an internal synth, so it tracks pretty closely to the GR300. If you use the MIDI out on the GR700, that is slow. The GR300 drives analog circuitry for making the synth tones too, so you don't have the microprocessor control you have the in the GR700 making decisions, so it tracks a little faster because it doesn't have to wait for more complex control info like the GR700 does. > I remember that Andy Summers and Robert Fripp preferred the GR-300 because > it "felt" better to play and had a more "organic" sound (it's basically an > analog synth). I'm sure the fact that the GR300 allows the hex fuzz circuit in the GR303 guitar to be mixed with the synth sound has something to do with it too. :) In summary: The GR300 lets you mix the fuzz sound with the synth sound if you are using a Roland GR303 guitar while the GR700 (a later model) does not. The GR700 is programmable (with 64 presets) while the GR300 is not. The GR300 has no MIDI ports. The GR700 has one MIDI out port and only transmits MIDI note and velocity, not pitchbend (arrgghh!). Both are analog synths. Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 17:29:33 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 14:55:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW8Ax-0000rj-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:55:51 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971113164626.006aa24c@texas.net> X-Sender: ranjones@texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:46:29 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" From: Randy Jones Subject: Re: GEAR Question: Roland GR-700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Da4VxC.A.eI.xP4a0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1197 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:55:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 455bacb9156a349aabbba2a5d4946791 Hello I'd say depends on price. I have the 300 and the 700 with Strat and Les Paul controller copies. I like to tweak around on them both. The 700 has the midi out which I run into a synth for pad/wash type things. It doesn't seem to track all that great and does miss out on pitch bends. Ck out Pablo's Digest for more info. BTW, I love the Strat controller, the Paul weighs about 200 lbs, but has more knobs than I've ever seen on a guitar. Also, to effectively modify the 700, I think you need a programmer like the PGM 200, a separate module. Randy Jones At 10:39 PM 11/13/97 -0500, Markus Reuter wrote: >-- [ From: Markus Reuter * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- > >hi fellow loopers! > >i just spotted a Roland GR-700 guitar synth (including the >guitar) in a turkish second hand store over here in germany. > >is it worth getting it? >what's a reasonable price for a used GR-700 nowadays? > >thanks for your help! >cheers! > >markus >-- >-> Markus Reuter, Dammwiese 7, 33613 Bielefeld, Germany <- >-> email mreuter@post.uni-bielefeld.de <-> phone (521) 896248 <- >-> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/markus.htm <- > > > From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 17:29:38 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 15:17:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW8Vu-0003Fm-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:17:30 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199711132307.PAA09583@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: GEAR Question: Roland GR-700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:07:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19971113164626.006aa24c@texas.net> from "Randy Jones" at Nov 13, 97 04:46:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lBOTnC.A.LFC.uh4a0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1198 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:17:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 93cd9e72dd47b2d9db1dc9f711f24c40 > I'd say depends on price. I have the 300 and the 700 with Strat and Les > Paul controller copies. I like to tweak around on them both. The 700 has > the midi out which I run into a synth for pad/wash type things. It doesn't > seem to track all that great and does miss out on pitch bends. Ck out > Pablo's Digest for more info. BTW, I love the Strat controller, the Paul > weighs about 200 lbs, but has more knobs than I've ever seen on a guitar. > Also, to effectively modify the 700, I think you need a programmer like the > PGM 200, a separate module. > > Randy Jones Thanks, Randy! ^_^ I just wanted to add I got along just fine using the knobs on the guitar controller and the GR700 footpedals to program the GR700. Certainly not as convenient as having the PGM200 at hand, but it's doable. Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 17:29:39 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 15:21:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW8Zu-0003ig-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:21:38 -0800 Message-Id: <199711132306.PAA29643@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: GEAR Question: Roland GR-700 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:14:53 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WmETk.A.KnC.Um4a0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1199 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:21:38 -0800 X-UIDL: 3e62655399fbdcdb55b8c04b54042d7f > From: Paolo Valladolid > No, the GR700 does not use MIDI to trigger its internal sounds. Like > the GR300, it is an analog synth. Here's some useful information > posted by Thomas Sullivan to Digital Guitar Digest #30: Ohh....well...uh....at least I got some of it correct! :-\ Matt From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 17:29:41 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 15:47:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW8zC-0006SB-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:47:46 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199711132339.PAA09852@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Korg Z1 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:39:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: from "Kim Flint" at Nov 13, 97 10:52:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ARjrIB.A.QQF.6-4a0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1200 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:47:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 124dd90d00b516365f72b0167ac5eb9b The recent discussion about arpeggiators made me think it might not be a bad idea to post a little review of the Z1 that I wrote up. I tinker on Chapman Stick more than any other instrument but I've always enjoyed keeping up with the latest synth developments because of the synthesizer's potential to do things that would be physically impossible on acoustic instruments. Here's the review: After reading about the new Korg Z1 physical modeling synth, I got to check it out a bit at a music store. I must preface this by saying I'm no synth expert by any means and my comments only apply to the presets that come with the synth. I'm mainly interested in a keyboard that can be used for looping with something like an Oberheim Echoplex or Lexicon Jam Man in live performance. Here are various comments: Sound - I wasn't blown away by any particular sound; at least not like the first time I heard a demo of the Yamaha VL1 (another physical modeling synth). Many of the presets were pad-like sounds that to me had potential as sound sources for making loops/soundscapes a la David Torn or Robert Fripp. They generally had a lot of interesting sonic movement instead of what you'd get from merely playing back a sample of an analog synth pad. I liked the electric piano preset(s); it responded more like a real Fender Rhodes than your typical sample-playback synth. In general, the presents seemed to be more oriented towards electronic sounds rather than acoustic instrument emulations. Playability - I don't consider myself a keyboard player, but the keys felt ok. I was more impressed with the X-Y pad. I could not determine if it was sensitive to velocity or pressure. Most of the presets that used the X-Y pad had the pad apparently controlling filters. Having lots of knobs was very nice. One preset was a horn-section type sound which allowed me to use the X-Y pad to radically alter the tone and pitch of the sound in weird ways. It was kind of like scratching a record, except you could "scratch" in two dimensions instead of just back-and-forth; if that makes any sense. I have a feeling the possibilities of the X-Y pad, the controlling knobs, and the arpeggiator (below) were not fully exploited in the presets. Arpeggiator - I am somewhat ignorant of the arpeggiators of various keyboards, but the one on the Z1 was fun to play with. As I understand it, this one is polyphonic, which offers some interesting possibilities. Again, most of my fooling with the arpeggiator was restricted to what was programmed into a particular preset. Some presets let me change the behavior of the arpeggiator in interesting, yet musical ways. Messing with the arpeggiator using the pitch-bend and mod wheels and the speed knob was naturally amusing. According to Korg's website (http://www.korg.com) the arpeggiator transmits over MIDI and can sync to an external MIDI source. Price - I was surprised to see the Z1 selling in Musician's Friend and Guitar Center for around $2000. Considering the Yamaha VL1, a 2-voice polyphonic physical modeling synth, once sold for $6000 retail, $2000 for this 12-voice polyphonic physical modeling synth seems like a bargain. One caveat though - some of the presets took a second or longer to load when switching between presets. Overall, I found the Korg Z1 to be an intriguing instrument for anyone who wants to have an original sound yet doesn't want to drag a computer around for live gigs. I kind of wish it had a breath controller input, but that X-Y pad makes up for it. Just my take, Paolo From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 17:29:20 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 13:49:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xW78U-0001f4-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:49:14 -0800 Message-Id: <199711132141.AA286327311@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: GEAR Question: Roland GR-700 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 22:39:25 -0500 From: Markus Reuter X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Resent-Message-ID: <"VuZXiC.A.6f.GO3a0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1194 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:49:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 1aa216497bcc2d33cd095e7f1be28a82 -- [ From: Markus Reuter * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- hi fellow loopers! i just spotted a Roland GR-700 guitar synth (including the guitar) in a turkish second hand store over here in germany. is it worth getting it? what's a reasonable price for a used GR-700 nowadays? thanks for your help! cheers! markus -- -> Markus Reuter, Dammwiese 7, 33613 Bielefeld, Germany <- -> email mreuter@post.uni-bielefeld.de <-> phone (521) 896248 <- -> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/markus.htm <- From ???@??? Thu Nov 13 20:44:10 1997 >From kflint Thu Nov 13 20:10:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWD5m-0005hq-00; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:10:50 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:53:12 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: bay area loopers... Resent-Message-ID: <"Lq2VEC.A.A1E.138a0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1201 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:10:50 -0800 X-UIDL: f21aacf1675878088abf555b8c9c7bf5 Hi- If you're in the SF bay area, I'm having a party Saturday, Nov. 22. Maybe we could even have a mini loop show if anyone wants to. You can only loop music from your favorite holiday, though. ;-) Send me private mail if you think you'd like to go, and I'll send details. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 10:37:28 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 03:20:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWJnx-0007ed-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 03:20:53 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 06:11:47 -0500 (EST) From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <971114061146_1104530399@mrin45.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: going price for a eh 16 or a buchla thunder? Resent-Message-ID: <"q1jpgB.A.waG.1IDb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1202 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 03:20:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 181e5c8828a6b9c4033d6355a9fec1a1 what is a bulcha thunder? PJ From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 10:37:32 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 06:34:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWMpR-0001QX-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 06:34:37 -0800 Message-ID: <346C5E41.432F@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:20:49 -0500 From: jeff & mary duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: going price for a eh 16 or a buchla thunder? References: <971114061146_1104530399@mrin45.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"u1w3sD.A.Kr.a-Fb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1203 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 06:34:37 -0800 X-UIDL: f75da76719b884c13964297aa7a8ce29 PJBMHB@aol.com wrote: > > what is a bulcha thunder? PJ That is a good question! Jeff From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 10:37:33 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 07:58:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWO89-0000pK-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:58:01 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:45:50 -0500 (EST) From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <971114104548_206109604@mrin79> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: going price for a eh 16 or a buchla thunder? Resent-Message-ID: <"cQueJD.A.REH.4JHb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1204 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:58:01 -0800 X-UIDL: fa59ac9640392458127f1e7fdfd26f23 >What do you all think is the going rate for a used EH 16 > or a Buchla Thunder? I haven't seen a Thunder in years and years but I sold my pair of EH 16s a little over a year ago for $850 each and the buyers seemed very happy to have them. Ted From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 10:37:33 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 08:12:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWOLc-0002En-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:11:56 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:01:53 +0000 Message-ID: <000A1565.001424@mail.bl.uk> From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) Subject: Jon Hassell and other looping in London To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"ovwZWD.A.jAB.fWHb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1205 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:11:56 -0800 X-UIDL: dc9aa50bdcc99a0ed6a92711146504ac There seems to be some interest in Jon Hassell amongst the list, so I thought I'd mention last night's concert at QEH in London. JH appeared with Bluescreen Two who were advertised as being Jamie Muhoberac and Peter Freeman, creators of an `electronic soundscape' amidst which is set JH's `plaintive trumpet'. There was also an uncredited guitarist (who may have been called Joe Harrison - the announcements were off-mic and difficult to hear from 2/3rds back) who made extensive use of a Fernandes Sustainer (now I *really* want one of those) and a multitude of delays and effects to great..erm - effect. Whilst much of the music relied on repetitive phrases (with occasional shifts in the patterns), it was intriguing to see that most of it was performed in real time. Despite all the technology in evidence, there appeared to be little `looping' as such. Percussion sounds were triggered from what looked like an over-sized boomerang (NB the Native Australian hunting tool, not the dedicated looping device), `played' like a standard keyboard, but with (presumably) the ergonomic benefits of it curving around the body. The material was similar in mood to the earlier 4th World albums, less like the `City' and `Bluescreen 1' versions. Well worth viewing if it comes to a town near you. Also: At lunch time yesterday I saw the acoustic guitarist Antonio Forcione dueting with saxophonist Ed Jones. I think Matthias mentioned before that AF has experimented with looping, but this is the first time I've seen him use it (sparingly) in performance. He has a Paradis LoopDelay which in this situation was used to create backing for his solos on two numbers. Again, well worth a listen if you see them advertised near you (particularly if you like Jan Garbarek-style European, folk influenced jazz) Oh yes, and if you've got this far, I'll be back at the Croydon Clocktower on Nov 28th 7-8pm - free! Cheers David From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 10:37:39 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 09:43:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWPmM-0002uz-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:43:38 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:31:08 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Project Lo: Saturday night in Baltimore Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"t1qCBD.A.mtB.0sIb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1206 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:43:38 -0800 X-UIDL: ab2911d74d157905c1cee5c2945ece7e Bon Lozaga's Project Lo including electronic violinist Caryn Lin and vocalist Happy Rhodes hit Orion Studios in Baltimore tomorrow night at 7:30PM with special guest (for one show only) guitarist Tony Geballe who recently toured as a member of the Trey Gunn Band and has previously worked with Robert Fripp and the League of Crafty Guitarists and Toyah, among others. See http://www.ari.net/prog/shows/showcase/ for directions and other details. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:37:56 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 11:37:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWRYA-0005cu-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:37:06 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:31:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: FS: Kahler Human Clock $150 Resent-Message-ID: <"ihKKpC.A.ONE.lWKb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1208 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:37:06 -0800 X-UIDL: 91501fcf5c5e92e7c1afdc519364fa46 >With all the recent talk of syncing old gear up, this might be of >interest to someone: >(from Harmony Central) > >Kahler Human Clock/Midiman Sync Box $150 > >Asking Price: US$150 >Condition: Mint >Age: 6 years >Description: > > Sync your midi sequencer to live tracks or generate FSK for >perfect sync from your computer or stand alone > sequencer. The Human Clock even allows your sequencer to follow >a live drummer. 2 excellent pieces of gear now > discontinued but still very cool! > midisync@mindspring.com > >Seller: Bill Campbell, >E-mail: midisync@mindspring.com >Location: ATLANTA, GA >Post Date: 11/13/97 I'm playing in a Brazilian/Tango/Salsa trio. The keyboardist has a Kahler clock, and we've been trying to use it to sync sequenced percussion parts to the drummer's kick. And, well, it doesn't work that great. The kahler seems to track any increase in tempo pretty well, but doesn't follow when the drummer slows down. So basically, every time we use it, the tempo just keeps increasing. Not exactly the intended effect. I've talked to other kahler users and they've noted the same effect. Perhaps this is why the kahler failed. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:38:02 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 13:30:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWTIp-0000pU-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:29:23 -0800 Message-ID: <346C9EF4.CB1@intcpi.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:56:53 -0500 From: jprice@intcpi.com (John Price) Reply-To: jprice@intcpi.com Organization: INTELLISOFT, CPI X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The Orb... References: <2.2.32.19971108064458.0096b868@pop.chromatic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"7RB_kD.A.F0G.g6Lb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1211 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:29:23 -0800 X-UIDL: b413c16da3b35fac896bcba19b07e59d FastKim Flint wrote: > > Didn't Fripp do something with FSOL too? Like on Lifeforms? I can't recall > actually noticing what he contributed, but I thought I remembered seeing his > name on the cd book. Some soundscapes or something? > > kim > > At 01:24 AM 11/8/97 -0500, mark sottilaro wrote: > >Hey Orb and possible Orb fans, > > > >There is an album that Robert Fripp did with the Orb called >>FFWD (Fast > >forward). Anyway, it's out of print in America but I think you can get > >it as an import. It is a monumentally beautiful album! Why it's out of > >print, I have no idea, but it occasionally turns up in a used bin here > >and there (that's how I found my copy) We should all yell at the person > >that is refusing to print it (for what ever stupid legal reasons) Give > >the rights to Fripp and let him print it on the Discpline lable. Check > >it out if you can find it. > > > >Mark. > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com I could have sworn that "Fast Forward" was Fripp, Dr. Patterson and a guy from Modeski Martin & Wood. Anyways its a great album. From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:37:54 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 11:23:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWRKc-0004Fw-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:23:06 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <346C5E41.432F@bellsouth.net> References: <971114061146_1104530399@mrin45.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:08:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: going price for a eh 16 or a buchla thunder? Resent-Message-ID: <"yHsuj.A.g5C.dIKb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1207 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:23:06 -0800 X-UIDL: a91872d38e8572fae19842b588e671b9 At 9:20 AM -0500 11/14/97, jeff & mary duke wrote: >PJBMHB@aol.com wrote: >> >> what is a bulcha thunder? PJ > > >That is a good question! Jeff The thunder is one of the more modern inventions of legendary synthesizer pioneer Don Buchla. Thunder can best be described as a touch sensitive control surface. It has a large assortment of pads and ribbon controllers that respond to the location where you touch them and the amount of pressure you apply. These can then be used to control any type of midi data you program it for. These are all arranged in an ergonomic fashion on what a friend used to describe as a "dinner serving tray." That's not quite accurate, but it gets you the idea. (I think it's shaped more like the millenium falcon.) Don of course, is a brilliant and enigmatic individual. Great to have at parties, but not so fun to work for. His musical instrument creations are typically decades ahead of their time. He has a web site that only describes his Lightning II, which is a synthesizer controller that uses two wands that you can move in space for 3d control. http://www.buchla.com kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:37:57 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 11:57:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWRsB-00000k-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:57:47 -0800 Message-ID: <19971114194527.26720.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.99] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: buchla thunder says what? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:45:27 PST Resent-Message-ID: <"YZVri.A.sQG.sqKb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1209 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:57:47 -0800 X-UIDL: b9ffb59035d19b98210d729da440636e Well said Kim. I had first heard/seen one at a Mark Isham gig where he had one to his side to play some textural sounds and samples. Later I asked what the hell that contraption was..... You can see a picture of one at: http://www.synthfool.com/thunder.gif Salam, Buck >>> >>> what is a bulcha thunder? PJ >> >> >That is a good question! Jeff > >The thunder is one of the more modern inventions of legendary synthesizer >pioneer Don Buchla. > >Thunder can best be described as a touch sensitive control surface. It has >a large assortment of pads and ribbon controllers that respond to the >location where you touch them and the amount of pressure you apply. These >can then be used to control any type of midi data you program it for. These >are all arranged in an ergonomic fashion on what a friend used to describe >as a "dinner serving tray." That's not quite accurate, but it gets you the >idea. (I think it's shaped more like the millenium falcon.) > >Don of course, is a brilliant and enigmatic individual. Great to have at >parties, but not so fun to work for. His musical instrument creations are >typically decades ahead of their time. He has a web site that only >describes his Lightning II, which is a synthesizer controller that uses two >wands that you can move in space for 3d control. http://www.buchla.com > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:38:01 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 13:06:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWSwQ-0006my-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:06:14 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:31:33 -0500 (EST) From: PJBMHB@aol.com Message-ID: <971114153130_1104605490@mrin86.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: what in tarnation is a buchla thunder? Resent-Message-ID: <"3H-XU.A.1QF.rnLb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1210 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:06:14 -0800 X-UIDL: b23027478f067a20dbb1c935e5990078 what is a BUCHLA THUNDER???!!! Someone answer me!!! I feel I must know. =-) PJ From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:38:12 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 16:27:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWW5H-00030f-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:27:35 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:52:27 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: darcyc@srvr5.engin.umich.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Darcy Clark Subject: Vortex for sale Resent-Message-ID: <"Bp9jJ.A.n5B.cpOb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1216 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:27:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 98634278f19050a8e7eaaa26bf78eb32 Found this on dejanews - I just bought the Jamman, but the Vortex is still for sale I think: Subject: Lexicon Vortex And Lexicon Jamman From: soundjones@aol.com (SOUNDJONES) Date: 1997/11/14 Message-ID: <19971114181401.NAA02988@ladder01.news.aol.com> Newsgroups: rec.audio.marketplace [More Headers] Both unit in excellent condition. Vortex Morphing Modulation effects -200.00 Jamman phraze sampler/delay- 200.00 Contact Troy at SOUNDJONES@AOL.COM Darcy Clark +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Materials Science and Engineering Department University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2136 USA +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Room 2130, Dow Building Phone (313) 764 3377 Fax (313) 763 4788 E-mail darcyc@engin.umich.edu http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/mse250 http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/people/darcyc/ http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:38:25 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 22:30:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWbjx-0000F3-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:29:57 -0800 Message-ID: <346CD3CD.7DB@infobiogen.fr> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:42:44 +0000 From: malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: Pasteur Lille X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sync References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KkfsbB.A.HzG.W8Tb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1221 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:29:57 -0800 X-UIDL: baa2f660e187dfaa221120317a9dbdef If it can be of any use... I sync my old SH-101 (roland mono synth) with an old TR606, this way: Thru my sequencer, I send codes to the TR that make it play bass drum and snare at the same (better with all the sounds), with volume cranked up. Then the "sound" in sent via jeck to the external clock input of the SH-101. Of course it is not enough to rech the 5V (on the roland, I think the clock is 12V, but I'm not sure), bu it is enough to make it play synched to the sequencer, which is enough to do the job. Since we can get sync with midi, then de facto an old analog thingie can be synched with a looper... Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:38:06 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 15:31:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWVCa-0004R5-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:31:04 -0800 Message-ID: <346CD65E.2E0E@dmans.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:53:18 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: GEAR Question: Roland GR-700 References: <199711132141.AA286327311@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MlzubB.A.UtC.fwNb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1212 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:31:04 -0800 X-UIDL: d41c0498bce9b51323f1b33d639850d1 Markus Reuter wrote: > i just spotted a Roland GR-700 guitar synth (including the > guitar) in a turkish second hand store over here in germany. > > is it worth getting it? > what's a reasonable price for a used GR-700 nowadays? > > thanks for your help! I would say buy it only if you are a collector. The new GR30 does so much more, sounds much better, tracks MUCH better, and can be had new for less than $1000 with the GK2A pickup. I think it includes a sequencer, too. Motley From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:38:06 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 15:31:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWVDC-0004W3-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:31:42 -0800 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F4109ED@MAIL> From: David Kirkdorffer To: 'Matt McCabe' , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: GEAR Question: Roland GR-700 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:05:22 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"AX3fr.A.eDD.WzNb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1213 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:31:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 9e3cad9d90942ac64fb0fd97f04e9825 I've seen the GR700 module in Boston for $350. Any of the Roland guitars will work with it (EXCEPT the GR500 from way back when...). I've seen the GR guitars for sale in the $300 range. As regular guitars, they're pretty good too. A bit heavy... David Kirkdorffer -----Original Message----- From: Matt McCabe [SMTP:mattm@bi-tech.com] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 1997 4:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: GEAR Question: Roland GR-700 > From: Markus Reuter > i just spotted a Roland GR-700 guitar synth (including the > guitar) in a turkish second hand store over here in germany. > > is it worth getting it? > what's a reasonable price for a used GR-700 nowadays? I've never played one, but the earlier GR-300 is supposed to track better. The GR-700 uses MIDI to trigger the sounds (hence the delay) and I seem to remember that it didn't transmit pitch bend information (don't quote me on that). I remember that Andy Summers and Robert Fripp preferred the GR-300 because it "felt" better to play and had a more "organic" sound (it's basically an analog synth). Matt From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:38:11 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 16:25:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWW3N-0002nT-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:25:37 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19971115001454.00a25ec8@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:14:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: GEAR Question: Roland GR-700 Resent-Message-ID: <"dlQYmD.A.ZhB.FmOb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1215 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:25:37 -0800 X-UIDL: 8b6ff07dd56c18d1a3509b8f94e5033a At 04:53 PM 11/14/97 -0600, Mikell D. Nelson wrote: >Markus Reuter wrote: >> i just spotted a Roland GR-700 guitar synth (including the >> guitar) in a turkish second hand store over here in germany. >> >> is it worth getting it? >> what's a reasonable price for a used GR-700 nowadays? >> >> thanks for your help! > > I would say buy it only if you are a collector. The new GR30 does so >much more, sounds much better, tracks MUCH better, and can be had new >for less than $1000 with the GK2A pickup. I think it includes a >sequencer, too. GR30's internal synth is sample playback, right? Since the GR-700 is analog, it will likely sound totally different. Whether it's better or not depends on what you want to do. I usually find sample playback synths to be completely unsatisfying, especially from a guitar controller. I tend to prefer the more "interesting" sounds to be found in other types, like analog. You can get a more unique sound, and the timbral nuances are typically more controllable. That's my taste, though.... If you want the guitar to sound similar to a grand piano or a crash cymbal or a tuba or whatever, than sample playback is the thing. kim ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:38:19 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 17:09:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWWjt-000076-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:09:33 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199711150059.QAA17723@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: GEAR Question: Roland GR-700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:59:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19971115001454.00a25ec8@pop.chromatic.com> from "Kim Flint" at Nov 14, 97 04:14:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-2dYm.A.4YG.HQPb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1217 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:09:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 7076aa3d5cb1c7099acc46ff828dea3c [Mikel's response to Markus's "Is a GR700 worth it?"] > > I would say buy it only if you are a collector. The new GR30 does so > >much more, sounds much better, tracks MUCH better, and can be had new > >for less than $1000 with the GK2A pickup. I think it includes a > >sequencer, too. > > > GR30's internal synth is sample playback, right? Since the GR-700 is analog, > it will likely sound totally different. Whether it's better or not depends > on what you want to do. I usually find sample playback synths to be > completely unsatisfying, especially from a guitar controller. I tend to > prefer the more "interesting" sounds to be found in other types, like > analog. You can get a more unique sound, and the timbral nuances are > typically more controllable. That's my taste, though.... If you want the > guitar to sound similar to a grand piano or a crash cymbal or a tuba or > whatever, than sample playback is the thing. > > kim More input from a GR700 owner: I'd have to agree that a true analog synth such as the GR700 has not only a different sound than a sample playback synth but also a different characteristic behavior. That is why there are some folks out there searching for GR700s and GR300s even with the availability of more "advanced" guitar synths such as the GR30. Gayle Ellett of the prog rock group Djam Karet turned me on to the idea of using the GR700's glitches to creative advantage. In particular, the GR700 doesn't handle harmonics very well (hence the manual's admonition: "Please do not play the GR700 in the harmonics manner" under the section _Problems Caused by Your Improper Playing Manner_). In fact, a strongly played harmonic drives it nuts. For example, a hard strum of the natural harmonics located above the fifth fret causes the GR700 to spit out a random stream of high pitched notes. By working to cause the GR700 to glitch _on purpose_ you can get some intriguing sounds not available from keyboard-operated synths or the more refined descendants of the GR700. Cheers, Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:38:21 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 17:22:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWWw1-0001VA-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:22:05 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:13:19 -0500 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199711150113.AA20221@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: GEAR Question: Roland GR-700 Resent-Message-ID: <"aFiQnB.A.2h.FdPb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1218 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:22:05 -0800 X-UIDL: 0f3b4f63c7d9c4affaf838dd473f794b >>[GR30] sounds much better, tracks MUCH better, and can be had new >GR30's internal synth is sample playback, right? >Since the GR-700 is analog, it will likely sound >totally different. Whether it's better or not depends >on what you want to do. I usually find sample playback synths to be >completely unsatisfying, especially from a guitar controller. [caveat: one person's opinion] I bought a GR30 recently, and compared to my experience with a friend's GR-700 years and years ago, I'm disappointed. (Only relatively, though; I'm content with it nonetheless.) I very much dislike the effect of multisample playback on the guitar. Notes which are pitch bent very far lose all their tone (since they don't switch to the "right" sample, and it might even be that the internal filter doesn't follow it right), which pretty much trashes my guitar style with lots of slides of a fifth or an octave (or in between). I would love to be able to slide-without-retriggering a good violin sound, but I'd rather be able to do a poor analog psuedo-violin sound then a violin sample which loses all high end when slid a fourth. And I can't even get a good classic Fripp sound since there's aliasing in a lot of sounds if you transpose up an octave and play on the high frets. I can understand where switching samples is probably hard if not impossible, and why most synthesizers wouldn't bother doing it (pitch bending is a wacky not directly musical effect!), but when used from an electric guitar controller (or perhaps a violin controller), pitch bend is directly musical, and it would have been nice for them to actually tackle the problem of making the output musical, instead of providing 4 different ways to accomplish pitch bends that don't sound very good. I'm going to supplement my GR30 with MIDI synths, and I wonder how long it will be before I simply don't use the GR30's sounds anymore. The classical guitar patch is pretty and perhaps useable; one of the acoustic guitars has an annoying wrong tonality in one region, and the cello (or one of the strings like that) has one sample whose attack is a very noticeably different note than the loop. The drum samples might as well not be there (no cymbals since they didn't want to waste the sample memory on it). So, of the samples I've explored seriously, I've only found about half to be useable. This would argue for getting a GI10 or whatever it's called and simply skipping the GR30's internal sounds, its goofy arpeggiator, etc. in the first place. This discussion is of course probably more appropriate to the Digital Guitar mailing list. Sean Barrett From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:38:23 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 17:42:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWXFG-0003ez-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:41:58 -0800 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199711150132.RAA17984@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Silver Apples To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:32:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F4109ED@MAIL> from "David Kirkdorffer" at Nov 14, 97 06:05:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EzimM.A.xeC.8uPb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1220 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:41:58 -0800 X-UIDL: d149f9770aec14368f27f9e72ca5500f Silver Apples was a duo of Simeon on The Simeon and Dan Taylor on percussion with both doing vocals. A CD compiling their first two albums (from the late 60s) was just released on MCA. The Simeon was the name given to Simeon's "instrument". From the liner notes, here is a list of The Simeon's components: 6 bass oscillators triggered by six wooden pedals 3 rhythm oscillators controlled by three hand switches 2 Maestro tone controls - one connected to the rhythm oscillators, the other to the lead oscillator. 1 lead oscillator connected to a tone control 1 Echoplex (the old analog one of course) 1 Wah-wah pedal between the lead tone control and the Echoplex 1 Radio 1 Mic 3 Amplifiers Simeon basically played the bass oscillators with his feet while playing the other parts with his hands. All while singing lead vocals too. To most of us weaned on mainstream pop/rock music, this music may seem a little bizarre. Yet it has its own quirky appeal. This amazing CD has to be heard to be believed. I find it a miracle a big company like MCA was willing to release groundbreaking music like this. Cheers, Paolo From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:38:22 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 17:37:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWXB8-0003BR-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:37:42 -0800 Message-ID: <346CFC01.6291@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:33:53 -0500 From: djdowling@earthlink.net Reply-To: djdowling@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:Trigger imput References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"D4VPqD.A.OBC.oqPb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1219 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:37:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 94e1d29dfdb63bbb664b851b9e725c64 I have this on my old digitech delay. It's for a drum machine trigger. From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:38:26 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 22:35:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWboh-0000cN-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:34:51 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:42:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Silver Apples Resent-Message-ID: <"zEB44C.A.nPH.nBUb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1222 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:34:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 1a82e35b599b97090ebf6a23b1bcf0e2 >Silver Apples was a duo of Simeon on The Simeon and Dan Taylor on percussion >with both doing vocals. A CD compiling their first two albums (from the late >60s) was just released on MCA. > >The Simeon was the name given to Simeon's "instrument". From the liner >notes, here is a list of The Simeon's components: > >6 bass oscillators triggered by six wooden pedals >3 rhythm oscillators controlled by three hand switches >2 Maestro tone controls - one connected to the rhythm oscillators, the other >to the lead oscillator. >1 lead oscillator connected to a tone control >1 Echoplex (the old analog one of course) >1 Wah-wah pedal between the lead tone control and the Echoplex >1 Radio >1 Mic >3 Amplifiers > >Simeon basically played the bass oscillators with his feet while playing >the other parts with his hands. All while singing lead vocals too. > >To most of us weaned on mainstream pop/rock music, this music may seem a little >bizarre. Yet it has its own quirky appeal. This amazing CD has to be >heard to be believed. > >I find it a miracle a big company like MCA was willing to release >groundbreaking music like this. > >Cheers, >Paolo I have to second Paolo's recommendation here. A friend turned me on to their first lp a few years ago, it's great that it's out on CD. It is a very unusual records, instrumentally some of it wouldn't be out of place on an aphex twin record, which is amazing for when it was recorded, yet some of it could not have been recorded any other time, the stoner hippy lyrics are hilarious. I understand that Simeon has a new version of the band, I'd love to hear them. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:38:30 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 23:34:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWcju-0006Ix-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 23:33:58 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Re: Vortex for sale Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:17:20 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"D-fz.A.UTF.77Ub0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1223 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 23:33:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 05b1e7b2cb7c19db68704194aa4b0e6e >Found this on dejanews - I just bought the Jamman, but the Vortex is still >for sale I think: >>>>>>Hey thanks but I already own one.Glad you nailed the Jman!I located >>>>>>one here in town and at least 2 vortexes. BTW , if the JM doesnt have >>>>>>full memory ask someone on the list about the flashram. Dont buy it >>>>>>from Lexicon!I got mine from them when the unit first came out. I >>>>>>think you can get under$ 100 these days. OK good news take care K Law >Subject: Lexicon Vortex And Lexicon Jamman >From: soundjones@aol.com (SOUNDJONES) >Date: 1997/11/14 >Message-ID: <19971114181401.NAA02988@ladder01.news.aol.com> >Newsgroups: rec.audio.marketplace >[More Headers] > > Both unit in excellent condition. > > Vortex Morphing Modulation effects -200.00 > > Jamman phraze sampler/delay- 200.00 > > > Contact Troy at SOUNDJONES@AOL.COM > >Darcy Clark >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Materials Science and Engineering Department >University of Michigan >Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2136 >USA >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Room 2130, Dow Building >Phone (313) 764 3377 >Fax (313) 763 4788 >E-mail darcyc@engin.umich.edu >http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/mse250 >http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/people/darcyc/ >http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ???@??? Fri Nov 14 23:38:08 1997 >From kflint Fri Nov 14 15:41:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWVMw-0005gs-00; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:41:46 -0800 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 07:48:17 +0100 (MET) From: RHS Linux User To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jam Man Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"thbyyC.A.JJE.s8Nb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1214 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:41:46 -0800 X-UIDL: 1685fd569c03f430495ae37a86f67233 I would like to buy Lexicon Jam Man.Can you tell me, where is the nearest pleace where J can buy it because J live in Poland and there is no place J can purchase it . Leszek. From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 15:42:16 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 05:39:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWiRV-0001h3-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 05:39:21 -0800 Message-ID: <346DA64C.5DEB@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 08:40:28 -0500 From: jeff & mary duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: sync (was: Frisell live) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_S2zFB.A.rUB.SUab0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1225 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 05:39:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 003814df071c1da1062a3fbec2438bb2 Matthias Grob wrote: > > Miguel said > > That's it. > > Lets get rid of the sync paranoia. > > Long life for the freestyle looping aproach. > > I know its not meant very seriously, but nevertheless I feel like saying: > > Syncing is a very natural, human, probably even ethic thing. We are > learning about it on all levels, from daily live rhithms to human relations > to globalization - nothing to get paranoid, but not to get rid of either, > something to learn, through watches, pulses, phone calls, telepathic > feelings... > > Ok, if the moon month was syncronized to the earth year, the chines > calender would match the western... we are not all that powerfull and have > to be able to live with or even love chaos, too... > So each one works at a different front. > > Matthias >human was the music, >natural was the static... _John Updike From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 15:42:19 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 06:51:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWjZ0-000251-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 06:51:10 -0800 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 09:45:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711151445.JAA22323@marconi.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: OOPS . . . Resent-Message-ID: <"im28FB.A.3oB.uWbb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1226 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 06:51:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 98b2dc1424e647492b7704fedec1b2bd Hey Jamman afficionados: Got my box . . . finally got my Visionsoft chips for the 32 sec upgrade started to crack the case--working very slowly as I recognized the soft, tiny Phillsps head screws that manufzcturors love to "tamper-proof" thier boxes with. you guessed it . . .two stripped screws (center bottom, and back panel--the latter in particular had been death-toorqued by the assembler) any ideas (besides carving a notch in the screw heads with a Dremel tool--I don't want to do this) in every dream home, a heartache Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 15:42:23 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 08:12:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWkq6-0006OL-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 08:12:54 -0800 Message-ID: <346DC94E.6578@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 11:09:50 -0500 From: DENNIS PISKO Reply-To: pisko@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-NC320 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: OOPS . . . References: <199711151445.JAA22323@marconi.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5f2VX.A.ywF.Ukcb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1227 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 08:12:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 630f8c865cd3167b3cddea0e3f2f2c91 Tom Lambrecht wrote: > > Hey Jamman afficionados: > > Got my box . . . finally > > got my Visionsoft chips for the 32 sec upgrade > > started to crack the case--working very slowly as I recognized the soft, > tiny Phillsps head screws that manufzcturors love to "tamper-proof" thier > boxes with. > > you guessed it . . .two stripped screws (center bottom, and back panel--the > latter in particular had been death-toorqued by the assembler) > > any ideas (besides carving a notch in the screw heads with a Dremel tool--I > don't want to do this) > > in every dream home, a heartache > > Tom > Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.ne If the screw heads are well exposed, try locking plyers(ie. vice grips). The come in assorted sizes for asorted applications. From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 15:42:28 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 09:34:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWm77-0002lv-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 09:34:33 -0800 Message-ID: <19971115173234.20114.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 09:32:34 -0800 (PST) From: Twayn Williams Subject: Re: OOPS . . . To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"Y4E0dB.A.dUC.uwdb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1228 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 09:34:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 433d98f704a9d2541f4276095b618ef3 93 ---Tom Lambrecht wrote: > you guessed it . . .two stripped screws (center bottom, and back panel--the > latter in particular had been death-toorqued by the assembler) > > any ideas (besides carving a notch in the screw heads with a Dremel tool--I > don't want to do this) Fraid to say this, but you might want to take it to an electronics repair place, just so's they can get the screws out for you. 93 Rev. Doubt-Goat __________________________________________________________________ Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 15:42:29 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 10:36:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWn4Z-000692-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 10:35:59 -0800 X-Sender: paulpop@ssnet.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:36:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Ph.D.) Subject: Re: OOPS . . . Resent-Message-ID: <"C1-L1B.A.sWF.epeb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1229 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 10:35:59 -0800 X-UIDL: ce77494ca85c66ffb9cdd84dda3a319b This exact thing happened to me ... It has to be one of the most annoying things to happen ... the tolerances that the screws were tightened at clearly outweigh the strength of the materials involved. Anyway, two of them had to be removed using horrendous means ... good luck >Hey Jamman afficionados: > >Got my box . . . finally > >got my Visionsoft chips for the 32 sec upgrade > >started to crack the case--working very slowly as I recognized the soft, >tiny Phillsps head screws that manufzcturors love to "tamper-proof" thier >boxes with. > >you guessed it . . .two stripped screws (center bottom, and back panel--the >latter in particular had been death-toorqued by the assembler) > >any ideas (besides carving a notch in the screw heads with a Dremel tool--I >don't want to do this) > >in every dream home, a heartache > >Tom >Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. email = ppoplawski@state.de.us or paulpop@ssnet.com phone service = 302/737-4491 weekday office = 302/577-4980 From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 15:42:37 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 13:28:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWplt-0001mR-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:28:53 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000A1565.001424@mail.bl.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: Re: Jon Hassell and other looping in London Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:24:40 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"4Qw8Z.A.-TB.gMhb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1232 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:28:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 8dafe0fd3ec1cf23cc5d44656a53c5b7 Speaking of Jon Hassel David& anyone else have you heard Re -Entry by Techno Animal? His contributions on 2 pieces are distinct elevating factors in the music which is sort of a heavy electronic trance dub> hard to catergorize.This is one of the most innovative recordings of the past ten years IMHO . I had the pleasure of talking to Justin Broadrick (Half of TA) last year at a Godflesh show and he said they sent Jon a dat with the backing tracks on it and he added his bits>> I was amazed >>the trumpet is so seamlessly a part of the music its hard to imagine without it.On looping have you heard Dave Draper aka the Invisible String Quartet ? I have a cd on Slam called Entomic that is just phenomenal>>live to dat recording makes great use of minimal fx & prepared guitar.Totally unknown in the US evidently but well worth the import price . Cheers K Law From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 15:42:40 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 15:31:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWrgL-0000vH-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 15:31:17 -0800 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 18:25:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711152325.SAA16136@mcfeely.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: OOPS . . . Resent-Message-ID: <"Brza6D.A.Ta.E-ib0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1233 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 15:31:17 -0800 X-UIDL: 113bd458cfeaf622aeadcbda2b59fd70 At 08:16 PM 11/15/97, you wrote: >>>you guessed it . . .two stripped screws (center bottom, and back panel--the >>>latter in particular had been death-toorqued by the assembler) > >>This exact thing happened to me ... It has to be one of the most annoying >>things to happen ... the tolerances that the screws were tightened at >>clearly outweigh the strength of the materials involved. Anyway, two of >>them had to be removed using horrendous means ... good luck > >Err... guys, believe it or not it's not that the screws are overtightened. >The problem lies in the fact that the screws are not repeat NOT Phillips. >They are POSIDRIVE of the type used to hold MACs together. If you can >locate a Posidrive screwdriver you may be able to salvage the screws. >NB this is a misprint for the first 350-ish units. Subsequent ones >actually _did_ use Phillips screws. > >Michael > > > > thanks everyone, for your concern. Yeah, I forgot yhe name of those damn goofy screws that have the little arrow and look just like Phillips . . . to paraphrase Indiana Jones, why did it have to be posidrive? Tom "the toolman" Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 15:42:40 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 15:31:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWrgY-0000wM-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 15:31:30 -0800 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 18:27:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711152327.SAA16592@mcfeely.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: JAMMAN Upgrades? Resent-Message-ID: <"-7A_FD.A.ui.r_ib0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1234 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 15:31:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 2c7e194dbfc55fb8817c66afac67cee7 At 11:19 AM 11/12/97 CST, you wrote: > I was looking through the list archives and ran across messages from > earlier in the year about upgrades that were being considered for the > Jamman. Did this ever happen? What is available? How much? etc. > > Brian > > > > I was curious about that myself especially now that I have one--and I'll bet the Lexicon guy can take care of my screw problem as well ;) Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 20:36:29 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 16:00:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWs8i-0002pY-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:00:36 -0800 Message-ID: <346E37ED.1E8A@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:01:49 -0500 From: djdowling@earthlink.net Reply-To: djdowling@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex for Sale References: <971113123128_1104457371@mrin58.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OUM0n.A.1SC.Oajb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1235 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:00:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 6c6b890d978c7e358f0b053d403cb823 Help! I've just entered into a bidding war for a Vortex...the auction ends in about 40 minutes...HOW HIGH should I bid? Dave From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 20:36:31 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 16:32:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWsd6-0004UP-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:32:00 -0800 Message-ID: <346E3F5D.4612@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:33:33 -0500 From: djdowling@earthlink.net Reply-To: djdowling@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:New DOD delay pedal etc. References: <971113123128_1104457371@mrin58.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XrnFZC.A.W6D.93jb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1236 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 16:32:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 724b8f8fe8cfd4d8d7d2b14c0b0601bc I enquired at several muisc staores today about the impending release of the 8 sec. delay w/ reverse to no avail. One "proprietor" could not believe that the current 4 sec unit existed let alone something more advanced. Someone wrote that he saw the new unit in a catalog of some sort (?)...where was this and how might I track it down? In my quest I came across some info on a new BOSS unit with 4 minutes of sample and a digicard type set-up. I inquired if this was a floor unit or rack and the response was: "neither, it's a...box." Dave From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 20:36:35 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 17:57:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWtxy-0001hm-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:57:38 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:50:19 -0800 To: djdowling@earthlink.net From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re:New DOD delay pedal etc. Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"9mPh3.A.sLB.GIlb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1237 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:57:38 -0800 X-UIDL: aa480211c3bf4f1b6b981b4d14828e37 >I enquired at several muisc staores today about the impending release of >the 8 sec. delay w/ reverse to no avail. One "proprietor" could not >believe that the current 4 sec unit existed let alone something more >advanced. >Someone wrote that he saw the new unit in a catalog of some sort >(?)...where was this and how might I track it down? >In my quest I came across some info on a new BOSS unit with 4 minutes of >sample and a digicard type set-up. I inquired if this was a floor unit >or rack and the response was: "neither, it's a...box." >Dave Don't you just love music store drones? Not only are they generally ignorant, but they assume they know everything. I spent an afternoon in Portland recently looking for the new Electro-Harmonix Q-tron envelope follower. Not only did no one have it in stock, but several sales drones tried to convince that it didn't exist, I was misinformed, and one even tried to patiently explain to me what an envelope follower really does. I want to get a button to wear to these places that says, "Don't assume I'm stupid". By the way,I believe the Boss SP-202 is the unit you're talking about. It is neither a floor or rack unit, it's more along the lines of the TB 303, kind of a cross between a really big caluclator and a table top synth module. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 20:36:42 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 19:41:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWvae-0001mo-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:41:40 -0800 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:36:08 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Dubofsky To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: djdowling@earthlink.net Subject: Re:New DOD delay pedal etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"GG4ngD.A.uNB.romb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1238 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:41:40 -0800 X-UIDL: 555c5fb8aba245fd0f9309b2bf8e1ea2 I have the Winter '98 American Musical Supply catalog and the DOD FX98 8 second delay is in it. I called to order it and sure enough was told there's a two week back order, whatever that means. I went to a local geetar shop and was told he could get it special order it for $98.00. steve d Skullsaw may cause irritation and watering of the eyes. DO NOT use Skullsaw if pregnant. Studies show Skullsaw may be habit forming. Consult your physician. http://www.gti.net/skullsaw From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 15:42:30 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 10:42:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWnB1-0006ed-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 10:42:39 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19971115201618.1c6f0480@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Sender: pycraft@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:16:18 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Michael P. Hughes, Ph.D." Subject: Re: OOPS . . . In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"VOYgJD.A.e7F.xweb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1230 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 10:42:39 -0800 X-UIDL: 77b4d93ed0555d84396eb6fc34f67452 >>you guessed it . . .two stripped screws (center bottom, and back panel--the >>latter in particular had been death-toorqued by the assembler) >This exact thing happened to me ... It has to be one of the most annoying >things to happen ... the tolerances that the screws were tightened at >clearly outweigh the strength of the materials involved. Anyway, two of >them had to be removed using horrendous means ... good luck Err... guys, believe it or not it's not that the screws are overtightened. The problem lies in the fact that the screws are not repeat NOT Phillips. They are POSIDRIVE of the type used to hold MACs together. If you can locate a Posidrive screwdriver you may be able to salvage the screws. NB this is a misprint for the first 350-ish units. Subsequent ones actually _did_ use Phillips screws. Michael From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 20:36:45 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 20:27:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWwJP-0005PQ-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:27:55 -0800 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 23:22:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711160422.XAA08598@marconi.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: OOPS . . . Resent-Message-ID: <"-mg1NC.A.-gE.HUnb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1239 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:27:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 3c416f13895ac8f30c0bc44d30ad55b1 At 08:16 PM 11/15/97, you wrote: >>>you guessed it . . .two stripped screws (center bottom, and back panel--the >>>latter in particular had been death-toorqued by the assembler) > >>This exact thing happened to me ... It has to be one of the most annoying >>things to happen ... the tolerances that the screws were tightened at >>clearly outweigh the strength of the materials involved. Anyway, two of >>them had to be removed using horrendous means ... good luck > >Err... guys, believe it or not it's not that the screws are overtightened. >The problem lies in the fact that the screws are not repeat NOT Phillips. >They are POSIDRIVE of the type used to hold MACs together. If you can >locate a Posidrive screwdriver you may be able to salvage the screws. >NB this is a misprint for the first 350-ish units. Subsequent ones >actually _did_ use Phillips screws. > >Michael > > > > thanks everyone, for your concern. Yeah, I forgot yhe name of those damn goofy screws that have the little arrow and look just like Phillips . . . to paraphrase Indiana Jones, why did it have to be posidrive? Tom "the toolman" Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Sat Nov 15 21:30:19 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 20:42:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWwXM-0006bC-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:42:20 -0800 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 23:38:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711160438.XAA12731@marconi.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re:New DOD delay pedal etc. Resent-Message-ID: <"1h05D.A.o0F.1inb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1240 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 20:42:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 4792c97ac99eed0c2355cce1370b1fef At 05:50 PM 11/15/97 -0800, you wrote: >>I enquired at several muisc staores today about the impending release of >>the 8 sec. delay w/ reverse to no avail. One "proprietor" could not >>believe that the current 4 sec unit existed let alone something more >>advanced. >>Someone wrote that he saw the new unit in a catalog of some sort >>(?)...where was this and how might I track it down? >>In my quest I came across some info on a new BOSS unit with 4 minutes of >>sample and a digicard type set-up. I inquired if this was a floor unit >>or rack and the response was: "neither, it's a...box." >>Dave > >Don't you just love music store drones? Not only are they generally >ignorant, but they assume they know everything. I spent an afternoon in >Portland recently looking for the new Electro-Harmonix Q-tron envelope >follower. Not only did no one have it in stock, but several sales drones >tried to convince that it didn't exist, I was misinformed, and one even >tried to patiently explain to me what an envelope follower really does. I >want to get a button to wear to these places that says, "Don't assume I'm >stupid". > >By the way,I believe the Boss SP-202 is the unit you're talking about. It >is neither a floor or rack unit, it's more along the lines of the TB 303, >kind of a cross between a really big caluclator and a table top synth >module. > >________________________________________________________ >Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ > >"...there will come a day when you won't have to use >gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in >your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper >type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em >together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em >together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." > -Sun Ra >________________________________________________________ > > > > > Boy, I don't think specialty retail drones are confined to music stores (i can say that having done my time for 12 years) That Boss Sp 202 is my guess, too. Musician's Friend has it for $329--there was aa thread a short time ago here on looping wth digital samplers. Sovtek/Electro Harmonix is reissuing the MicroSynth and the 16 second delay which will hopefully bring them down to an affordable level. Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 00:38:14 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 22:30:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWyDq-0006Xl-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:30:18 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971116072422.00685adc@online.no> X-Sender: hovard@online.no (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 07:24:23 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hovard@online.no Subject: Echoplex Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"npiNWD.A.IpF.ZHpb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1241 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:30:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 96b7ac0a39123b2dded686bf5bd2dd6a Hi guys , I`m a novice in the looping-area so my question might be concidered ....well , "novice-like" :) here goes: How much is the "regular" street-price for the Oberheim echoplex??? I live in Norway , so I`m having trouble locating one. Therefore I am forced to turn to the Net and other countries to find one. So my second Q would be: Where can I find one??? Sorry for the hopeless questions , but my URGE to LOOP is driving me!! Torn and Frisell have put a spell on me! ps. I have heard that Frisell isnt using the Electro-harminix 16 sec. anymore , but rather a Digitech device......any info on that rather meaningless( :) ) topic??? From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 00:38:14 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 22:35:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWyJB-00078l-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:35:49 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711152327.SAA16592@mcfeely.concentric.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: klaw@iglou.com Subject: JAMMAN ALERT Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 01:31:13 -0500 Resent-Message-ID: <"KfAqjC.A.6NG.4Mpb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1242 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 22:35:49 -0800 X-UIDL: 364ae707bb78225564424001ae4a4824 Anyone looking for ***New*** Jam Man in box? Price $288! - Music Warehouse >>Louisville Ky (502)-456 -4730 . Somebody grab it ! K Law From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 00:38:16 1997 >From kflint Sat Nov 15 23:55:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xWzYV-0004L8-00; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 23:55:43 -0800 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 23:51:07 -0800 (PST) From: Andre LaFosse To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19971116072422.00685adc@online.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"5Esox.A.osD.DXqb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1243 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 23:55:43 -0800 X-UIDL: 2a309cc28cfdc375949848a9b371890b On Sun, 16 Nov 1997 hovard@online.no wrote: > How much is the "regular" street-price for the Oberheim echoplex??? I live in > Norway , so I`m having trouble locating one. Therefore I am forced to turn to > the Net and other countries to find one. US Street price is usually somewhere between $500 and $700. The list price last I checked was about $799. > So my second Q would be: Where > can I find one??? There's a Bay Area dealer called Banana's at Large which seems to be a consistent and reliable outlet for them. Don't know if they do overseas shipping. Other than that I'm not too sure; they should be easier to track down once new units start shipping in the US, which should be very soon. --Andre From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 00:38:17 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 16 00:24:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xX00m-0006Bv-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 00:24:56 -0800 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 00:20:50 -0800 (PST) From: Andre LaFosse To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:Lo-Fi StutterinG & Drum n' Bass rolls In-Reply-To: <9710138794.AA879463259@mail.amsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"MoA3YB.A.wZF.Czqb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1244 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 00:24:56 -0800 X-UIDL: c659e8bffb6797a2ce7dbfa291681494 On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com wrote: > Is 'stuttering' the 'd-d-d-d-d-d-d' sound on aggressive drum & bass tracks > you mean (ala Squarepusher, Alec Empire, Plug, etc..)? I've also heard > that referred to as "machine-gunning". I don't know how other people do it > but I've approximated the effect with a Boss RV-3 Digital Reverb/Delay > pedal by setting the regen on the highest setting, the delay time on the > lowest/fastest setting and manually triggering it when an appropriate drum > beat hits. No, the effect you're describing sounds to me like what I would describe as a roll (though "machine-gunning" sounds a lot more cool). Stuttering is pretty prevalent on '80s hip-hop albums; it's basically re-triggering a sample several times before the sample has a chance to play all the way. The Public Enemy tune "Don't Believe The Hype" is the first example that pops into my head, with the Flavor Flav sample "Don't...Don't...Don't...Don't believe the hype *bwahahahahahahahaha*" That's stuttering. It's all over the place in a great many '80s rap and techno-pop albums; back when that was one of the most cutting edge things you could do with sample playback, it tended to get used an awful lot. The drum n' bass/jungle "machine gunning" effect is basically what I think of as an electronic emulation (and often exaggeration) of a drum roll. The easiest way to do it (which isn't really all that easy) is to go into a step-time window on a MIDI sequencer, draw several notes of extremmely short duration right next to each other (*very* close -- like a few PPQ's [pulse per quarter-note] together) on a single MIDI note (a snare sample is an obvious choice), then copy this fragment out over the length that you want the roll to happen. One final step is to draw a velocity curve from the beginning of the roll to the end, as in "change velocity smoothly from 1-127" over the length of the roll, if you want the roll to increase or decrease over its duration. It's time-consuming, but fairly easy work to do if your sequencing program can do the above tasks. Once you've got a basic roll happening, you can get a lot of milage out of it by cutting and pasting it into different sections, assigning it to different drum (or non-drum) samples, and changing the duration of the roll. Though I haven't actually experimented with it, it seems to me that using differing spacings between the individual notes that make up a roll should result in different audible pitches, since these sorts of rolls often happen fast enough to generate resonant frequencies. The method you're using sounds like it'll get the job done too, and should even give you some results that you wouldn't obtain using the "normal" approach. It's a fun effect; it's all over that Squarepusher record, and the Aphex Twin "Richard D. James" album is bursting to the seams with it. Also see the latest Mu-Ziq record "Lunatic Harness" for profuse "machine-gunning." > Now what about "timestretching"? This is changing the duration of a sound without altering the pitch. It generally requires some fairly upscale hard-disk processing; I know programs like Pro Tools use it. I haven't worked with timestretching very much (due almost entirely to lack of access to the aforementioned upscale gear), but I would think that a lot of jungle breakbeats tend to be timestretched, since speeding up a sample to typical drum 'n bass tempo ranges simply by playing back a normal sample at a higher pitch often gives the drums too much of a "tinkertoy" type of effect. (Then again, jungle isn't exactly known for its reverence to pristine and natural sound reproduction). I know that on the last David Bowie album, they had drummer Zach Alford tune his snare drum lower than normal so that when they played back samples of his playing at a higher pitch, it wouldn't sound too "tweeked." Goldie's "Timeless" album is apparently a good reference for timestretching, particularly on vocals, but what little of Goldie's music that I've heard didn't really compell me to hear any more of it, so someone else will have to fill in on that. Hope this helps, and sorry for the temporary side-trip into non-loop territory. --Andre From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 13:46:21 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 16 06:56:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xX67h-0001c6-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 06:56:29 -0800 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 09:51:09 -0500 (EST) From: Drumworker@aol.com Message-ID: <971116095108_1050016015@mrin46.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JamMan $ Question? Resent-Message-ID: <"eK1ie.A.IRB.diwb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1245 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 06:56:29 -0800 X-UIDL: dd68f27e43adead7ae1433c15d98da48 What is the street value of 2nd hand, upgraded JamMans these days? I have a friend who is thinking of selling his and doesn't know what to ask for it. Thanks, Drumworker@aol.com From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 13:46:21 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 16 06:58:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xX69W-0001ll-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 06:58:22 -0800 Message-Id: Subject: Virus Alert Date: Sun, 16 Nov 97 10:01:07 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Phil Diem To: , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"PDDi3.A.tYB.vkwb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1246 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 06:58:22 -0800 X-UIDL: 72ae5262be9cb08e4262fcb27fc37bc2 This is the first one of these that I've seen in a while. It appears to be legitiment - coming from and through reliable sorces. If it is legitiment then it's VERY IMPORTANT! >Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:43:11 -0500 (EST) >From: "Ray E. Mattatall" >X-Sender: mattatal@choplifter.rs.itd.umich.edu >Subject: Fwd: [Fwd: Fw: Virus warning] >________________________________________________ > Subject: NEW VIRUS!! > > WARNING!!!!!! If you receive an e-mail titled "JOIN THE CREW" DO NOT > open it! It will erase EVERYTHING on your hard drive! Send this > letter out to as many people you can ... this is a new virus and not > many people know about it! > > This information was received this morning from IBM, please share > it with anyone that might access the Internet. > > Also, if anyone receives mail entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!" please > delete it WITH OUT reading it!! This is a warning for all Internet > users-there is a dangerous virus propagating across the Internet > through an e-mail message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!". > > DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY MESSAGE ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETINGS"!! > > This message appears to be a friendly letter asking you if you are > interested in a penpal, but by the time you read this letter, it is > too late. The trojan horse virus will have already infected the > boot sector of your hard drive, destroying all of the data present. > It is a self-replicating virus, and once the message is read, it > will AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to anyone who's e-mail address is > present in YOUR mailbox! > > This virus will DESTROY your hard drive and holds the potential to > DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in your in-box and > who's mail is in their in-box and so on. If this virus keeps > getting passed, it has the potential to do a great deal of DAMAGE > to computer networks worldwide!!! > > Please, delete the message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!" as soon as > you see it! And pass this message along to all of your friends, > relatives and the other readers of the newsgroups and mailing lists > which you are on so that they are not hurt by this dangerous virus! > > Please pass this along to everyone you know so this can be stopped. > > PASS THIS ON TO YOUR FRIENDS. > > WARNING!!! This is a new virus going around in the last couple of > days! DO NOT open or even look at any mail that you get that says: > "Returned or Unable to Deliver" This virus will attach itself to your > computer components and render them useless. Immediately delete any > mail items that says this. AOL has said this is a very dangerous > virus, and there is NO remedy for it at this time. Please Be > Careful, > And forward to all your on-line friends A.S.A.P. > > Forward this A.S.A.P. to every single person you know!!!!!!!!! > > Greg Dimond > Informix > Software, Inc. > Global Telecommunications > 703-714-0608 > > From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 13:46:24 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 16 09:36:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xX8c4-0000DD-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 09:36:00 -0800 Message-ID: <346F2EC2.7849@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:34:58 -0500 From: djdowling@earthlink.net Reply-To: djdowling@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Echoplex Upgrade...etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Qd0ZkD.A.H6G.j1yb0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1247 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 09:36:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 1effabb54e9c6827eb2eb116c7faf0a8 Some Questions- Q: Do brand new Plexes come with the new system in place or is it only available as an Upgrade? Q: If the unit does come with all the new fixings - how do I get one: a) from my local dealer. b)From Oberheim. c)Somewhere else? Q: How much do the new units go for? How much shopping should I do? Q: Can I run my GR-30, with stereo outputs, into the Plex? More later Dave From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 13:46:28 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 16 12:01:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXAso-0007ND-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:01:26 -0800 Message-ID: <346F4FC5.723@jmu.edu> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 14:55:49 -0500 From: library Organization: James Madison University X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: subscribe Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------4E9B2353247C" Resent-Message-ID: <"NB56E.A.hnG.P_0b0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1248 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:01:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 5e1086f1a1f00ff58c77f9ac953399cf My name is Brian Hagan and I would like to subscribe to your mailing list please. haganbr@jmu.edu Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; name="LoopList.html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="LoopList.html" Content-Base: "http://www.annihilist.com/loop/list/Lo opList.html" Looper's Delight Mailing List

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From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 13:46:33 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 16 12:52:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXBgJ-0002MS-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:52:35 -0800 From: Anthony Bowyer-Lowe To: Looper's Delight , Electronica Subject: Sick Vortex. Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:25:30 -0000 Message-ID: <01bcf2cd$c86040e0$LocalHost@amudarya> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"qOSN3C.A.Z7B.Xw1b0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1251 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:52:35 -0800 X-UIDL: d554e7b6c995214f72f586c8780f19d0 Hey people... My most wonderful Lexicon Vortex is sick - poor thing. The rotary encoder that selects the effect (the preset/register knob) has become intermittent, and will only choose certain preset numbers. I can still choose effects using the 'step' footpedal, but that doesn't let me choose preset effects, only the user registers. Any ideas what the problem is? Figure it's a mechanical issue with the encoder, so how easy is it to replace? Does anyone have contact information for Lexicon in the UK? Waaah, I miss my Vortex... ynohtnA. -- Anthony Bowyer-Lowe <= The Essence Of Anthony. http://www.amudarya.demon.co.uk/ From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 13:46:30 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 16 12:45:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXBZu-0001pJ-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:45:58 -0800 Message-ID: <346F5B96.6AB4@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:46:14 -0500 From: jeff & mary duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Virus Alert References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fZRpi.A.dRB.Tp1b0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1249 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:45:58 -0800 X-UIDL: aecd4fa774b2d48844b67b0c5cb9603b Phil Diem wrote: > > This is the first one of these that I've seen in a while. It appears to > be legitiment - coming from and through reliable sorces. If it is > legitiment then it's VERY IMPORTANT! > > >Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:43:11 -0500 (EST) > >From: "Ray E. Mattatall" > >X-Sender: mattatal@choplifter.rs.itd.umich.edu > >Subject: Fwd: [Fwd: Fw: Virus warning] > >________________________________________________ > > > Subject: NEW VIRUS!! > > > > WARNING!!!!!! If you receive an e-mail titled "JOIN THE CREW" DO NOT > > open it! It will erase EVERYTHING on your hard drive! Send this > > letter out to as many people you can ... this is a new virus and not > > many people know about it! > > > > This information was received this morning from IBM, please share > > it with anyone that might access the Internet. > > > > Also, if anyone receives mail entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!" please > > delete it WITH OUT reading it!! This is a warning for all Internet > > users-there is a dangerous virus propagating across the Internet > > through an e-mail message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!". > > > > DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY MESSAGE ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETINGS"!! > > > > This message appears to be a friendly letter asking you if you are > > interested in a penpal, but by the time you read this letter, it is > > too late. The trojan horse virus will have already infected the > > boot sector of your hard drive, destroying all of the data present. > > It is a self-replicating virus, and once the message is read, it > > will AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to anyone who's e-mail address is > > present in YOUR mailbox! > > > > This virus will DESTROY your hard drive and holds the potential to > > DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in your in-box and > > who's mail is in their in-box and so on. If this virus keeps > > getting passed, it has the potential to do a great deal of DAMAGE > > to computer networks worldwide!!! > > > > Please, delete the message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!" as soon as > > you see it! And pass this message along to all of your friends, > > relatives and the other readers of the newsgroups and mailing lists > > which you are on so that they are not hurt by this dangerous virus! > > > > Please pass this along to everyone you know so this can be stopped. > > > > PASS THIS ON TO YOUR FRIENDS. > > > > WARNING!!! This is a new virus going around in the last couple of > > days! DO NOT open or even look at any mail that you get that says: > > "Returned or Unable to Deliver" This virus will attach itself to your > > computer components and render them useless. Immediately delete any > > mail items that says this. AOL has said this is a very dangerous > > virus, and there is NO remedy for it at this time. Please Be > > Careful, > > And forward to all your on-line friends A.S.A.P. > > > > Forward this A.S.A.P. to every single person you know!!!!!!!!! > > > > Greg Dimond > > Informix > > Software, Inc. > > Global Telecommunications > > 703-714-0608 > > > > > >anyone know how to keep my mail from opening a message before i have read the title? I am running netscape 3.0. thanks Jeff From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 13:46:31 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 16 12:46:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXBa1-0001q2-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:46:05 -0800 Message-ID: <346F5BBC.2E4E@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:46:52 -0500 From: djdowling@earthlink.net Reply-To: djdowling@earthlink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:becoming a small, mobile, intelligent unit References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Un1oO.A.hTB.gp1b0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1250 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:46:05 -0800 X-UIDL: ad778e1554342a917783cf687dde8748 I sort of skimmed the many responses to a previous inquiry into this matter and thus, benefited only slightly. I'd hate to be responsible for regenerating a dead thread so perhaps I can take responses via personal email. For those who care to read no further, the subject is : playing guitar and guitar synth without conventional amplifiers etc. The equipment that I currently use is not right for the type of playing that I want to do, so I'm starting to switch over to different gear. Disclaimer: I am not a "gear head." This is why I seek help. Desired outcomes: to play guitar with multiple effects, looping capability and guitar synth without 500 pedals and 8 speakers and an amp. What it seems that I need: A cool effect processor (with excellent distortion, etc.) Some kind of SansAmp device (does such a device make a separate distortion unnecessary?) Speakers that are guitar and guit synth friendly Echoplex (or jman etc) Gr-30 (this I have) What is a hypothetical set up for my needs? What does the signal path look like? How do I become (as Fripp would have it) a small, mobile and intelligent unit? (I understand that only I can account for intelligence...but you can help me to be informed.) Anyone who would be kind enough to become my virtual technician in light of my ignorance, please respond. Many thanks. Dave From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 13:46:41 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 16 13:45:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXCVd-0004un-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:45:37 -0800 Message-Id: <199711162139.QAA15544@moonpatrol.rs.itd.umich.edu> To: Phil Diem cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, newschool@umich.edu, "Ray E. Mattatall" Subject: Re: Virus Alert In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 16 Nov 1997 10:01:07 -0500. Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:39:48 -0500 From: Joseph L Gelinas Resent-Message-ID: <"M-s0eC.A.qKE.mg2b0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1252 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:45:37 -0800 X-UIDL: e04976cc72cc2be9c02887a6ba10f4b9 > Date: Sun, 16 Nov 97 10:01:07 -0500 > From: Phil Diem > To: , , > This is the first one of these that I've seen in a while. It appears to > be legitiment - coming from and through reliable sorces. If it is > legitiment then it's VERY IMPORTANT! I've not seen one in a while, either. That doesn't mean that this one is any more valid than all the others have been. In general, BEFORE fowarding one of these on, you should find an anti-virus source that you trust, to get confirmation. As discovered by the shepherd boy, crying "wolf" is a dangerous pastime. ;) A good place to check is the University of Michigan's "Virus Busters" web page at http://www.itd.umich.edu/Virus-Busters/ They added the "Returned or Unable To Deliver 'Virus' Email Warning" to their page on or about August 28, 1997. "Join the crew" was reported on or aobut July 10, 1997. In case I've not been clear: These are hoaxes, not real viruses. > >Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:43:11 -0500 (EST) > >From: "Ray E. Mattatall" > >X-Sender: mattatal@choplifter.rs.itd.umich.edu > >Subject: Fwd: [Fwd: Fw: Virus warning] > >________________________________________________ > > > Subject: NEW VIRUS!! > > > > WARNING!!!!!! If you receive an e-mail titled "JOIN THE CREW" DO NOT > > open it! It will erase EVERYTHING on your hard drive! Send this > > letter out to as many people you can ... this is a new virus and not > > many people know about it! {Remainder of original message deleted. JLG.} Gelinas. ---------------------------- Joseph L. Gelinas Gelinas@umich.edu ---------------------------- From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 23:17:16 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 16 13:47:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXCXn-000588-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:47:51 -0800 From: David Evans Message-Id: <199711162142.QAA30519@barrow.uwaterloo.ca> Subject: Re: Sick Vortex. To: anthony@amudarya.demon.co.uk (Anthony Bowyer-Lowe) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:42:44 -0500 (EST) Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, electronica@noether.ex.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <01bcf2cd$c86040e0$LocalHost@amudarya> from "Anthony Bowyer-Lowe" at Nov 16, 97 08:25:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"thynwB.A.IeE.ek2b0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1253 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:47:51 -0800 X-UIDL: ad93f3469046788e7b2b058d6b37359e Anthony Bowyer-Lowe wrote: > > My most wonderful Lexicon Vortex is sick - poor thing. The rotary encoder that > selects > the effect (the preset/register knob) has become intermittent, and will only > choose > certain preset numbers. I can still choose effects using the 'step' footpedal, > but that > doesn't let me choose preset effects, only the user registers. > Sounds like the encoder needs to be either cleaned or replaced. Some of these come apart and can be salvaged, while others can't. If you can find out the kind of encoder you need you should be able to get it from any big electronics place (the name of the one in the UK escapes me at the moment...) To give a perspective on price I bought some for my Xpander and they were something like $4 US each. -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 23:17:18 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 16 14:19:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXD2l-0006aK-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 14:19:51 -0800 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:15:36 -0700 (MST) From: Henry Throop To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: sick Vortex In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"OjtlzC.A.96F.MC3b0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1254 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 14:19:51 -0800 X-UIDL: 3631da192489ef7a30bfba664e60bdc6 Anthony Bowyer-Lowe writes: > My most wonderful Lexicon Vortex is sick - poor thing. The rotary > encoder that selects the effect (the preset/register knob) has become > intermittent, and will only choose certain preset numbers. I can still > choose effects using the 'step' footpedal, but that doesn't let me > choose preset effects, only the user registers. > Any ideas what the problem is? Figure it's a mechanical issue with the > encoder, so how easy is it to replace? Does anyone have contact > information for Lexicon in the UK? The same control went out on my LXP-15. It's not exactly trivial to replace, but if you're handy with a soldering iron you can take out the old one and put in a new... the switch itself has a dozen or so pins that need to be unsoldered. Lex sent me a replacement part; I would imagine that it's a similar unit on the Vortex. If you're in a bind, you may be able to take the switch apart and clean out the contacts, and re-bend them if necessary. Might be quicker than waiting for a replacement part, although if you're like me, you run the risk of destroying the switch completely this way. -henry throop@colorado.edu From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 23:17:22 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 16 17:56:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXGQM-0001Uv-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:56:26 -0800 From: "Jesse Kudler" To: , Subject: Re: Virus Alert Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:50:32 -0500 Message-ID: <01bcf2fb$30888e20$224c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"nl1rI.A.GAB.EK6b0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1255 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:56:26 -0800 X-UIDL: 43f6c817d4471842a9fa6f441fa1c4b1 These stupid things circulate a lot. You can't get a virus from an e-mail, only an executable program. If a mail has an attachment, that could have a virus, but not the mail itself. I see these kinds of warnings all the time, and I'm surprised no one else has debunked this one yet. -Jesse -----Original Message----- From: jeff & mary duke To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sunday, November 16, 1997 3:49 PM Subject: Re: Virus Alert >Phil Diem wrote: >> >> This is the first one of these that I've seen in a while. It appears to >> be legitiment - coming from and through reliable sorces. If it is >> legitiment then it's VERY IMPORTANT! >> >> >Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:43:11 -0500 (EST) >> >From: "Ray E. Mattatall" >> >X-Sender: mattatal@choplifter.rs.itd.umich.edu >> >Subject: Fwd: [Fwd: Fw: Virus warning] >> >________________________________________________ >> >> > Subject: NEW VIRUS!! >> > >> > WARNING!!!!!! If you receive an e-mail titled "JOIN THE CREW" DO NOT >> > open it! It will erase EVERYTHING on your hard drive! Send this >> > letter out to as many people you can ... this is a new virus and not >> > many people know about it! >> > >> > This information was received this morning from IBM, please share >> > it with anyone that might access the Internet. >> > >> > Also, if anyone receives mail entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!" please >> > delete it WITH OUT reading it!! This is a warning for all Internet >> > users-there is a dangerous virus propagating across the Internet >> > through an e-mail message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!". >> > >> > DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY MESSAGE ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETINGS"!! >> > >> > This message appears to be a friendly letter asking you if you are >> > interested in a penpal, but by the time you read this letter, it is >> > too late. The trojan horse virus will have already infected the >> > boot sector of your hard drive, destroying all of the data present. >> > It is a self-replicating virus, and once the message is read, it >> > will AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to anyone who's e-mail address is >> > present in YOUR mailbox! >> > >> > This virus will DESTROY your hard drive and holds the potential to >> > DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in your in-box and >> > who's mail is in their in-box and so on. If this virus keeps >> > getting passed, it has the potential to do a great deal of DAMAGE >> > to computer networks worldwide!!! >> > >> > Please, delete the message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!" as soon as >> > you see it! And pass this message along to all of your friends, >> > relatives and the other readers of the newsgroups and mailing lists >> > which you are on so that they are not hurt by this dangerous virus! >> > >> > Please pass this along to everyone you know so this can be stopped. >> > >> > PASS THIS ON TO YOUR FRIENDS. >> > >> > WARNING!!! This is a new virus going around in the last couple of >> > days! DO NOT open or even look at any mail that you get that says: >> > "Returned or Unable to Deliver" This virus will attach itself to your >> > computer components and render them useless. Immediately delete any >> > mail items that says this. AOL has said this is a very dangerous >> > virus, and there is NO remedy for it at this time. Please Be >> > Careful, >> > And forward to all your on-line friends A.S.A.P. >> > >> > Forward this A.S.A.P. to every single person you know!!!!!!!!! >> > >> > Greg Dimond >> > Informix >> > Software, Inc. >> > Global Telecommunications >> > 703-714-0608 >> > >> > >> >anyone know how to keep my mail from opening a message before i have read the title? I am running netscape 3.0. thanks Jeff > > From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 23:17:27 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 16 19:00:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXHQk-0004mX-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:00:54 -0800 Posted-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:56:08 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19971117025542.006a421c@visi.com> X-Sender: spat@visi.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:55:42 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: spat@visi.com Subject: Re: Sick Vortex. Resent-Message-ID: <"8OoOx.A.RME.NJ7b0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1256 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:00:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 7e71c418d530c818528434a1c3e2117a >My most wonderful Lexicon Vortex is sick - poor thing. The rotary encoder that >selects the effect (the preset/register knob) has become intermittent, and will only >choose certain preset numbers It sounds like the pot has gone bad. The same thing happened on my JamMan. I e-mailed Lexicon, and they will fix the unit for a flat rate of $95, or send you a replacement pot for about ten bucks. FWIW, I understand Lexicon is fully aware that a certain pot put on some of their equipment is prone to failure and they've since changed vendors for the part. Once that warranty expires, however, you're outta luck, and you must foot the bill yourself for a part known by the manufacturer to be junk. Caveat Emptor. Steve From ???@??? Sun Nov 16 23:17:29 1997 >From kflint Sun Nov 16 19:55:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXIHW-0000q7-00; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:55:26 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971117044922.006930a0@online.no> X-Sender: hovard@online.no X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 04:49:23 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hovard@online.no Subject: The magic of Torn Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"AXWhJ.A.5W.H87b0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1257 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:55:26 -0800 X-UIDL: a677f165b6a89c01774b8003b3e38a13 Hi guys , I have a question about some of the sounds David Torn gets out of his equipment ( I know this is hard to answer , I`m just looking for ideas and information). And I hope this is not off-topic , but ; Torn makes these huge, lush , organic and warm/ugly carpets of sound that lies way back in the mix and sortof just envelopes the music. (I`m shure u know what I mean. If u dont, listen to his cd "tripping over God". Is this done with volumepedal and reverb/delay?? if so , how can he make it move and change throughout the loop?? how long do u think these loops are?? 5 secs or 90??? I mean , I dont understand HOW he does it , but those things are the main reason I`m out there searching for a looper.Which I can`t find BTW. I hope I haven`t annoyed you with my ignorance or started a debate which is off-topic (I have noticed that a lot of the postings are gear-related). Yours truly , Thomas Woehni From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 01:03:34 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 01:02:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXN4R-0000zM-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:02:15 -0800 Sender: camao@camsg001.camb.scee.sony.co.uk Message-ID: <347006E1.99FB638D@scee.sony.co.uk> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:57:05 +0000 From: Os X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Virus Alert References: <01bcf2fb$30888e20$224c8581@jkudler.stu.wesleyan.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cEe6yB.A.zq.vbAc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1258 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:02:15 -0800 X-UIDL: db7a71e7d9a2523b8a6502629a735fb1 Another useful de-bunking page: http://www.mcafee.com/support/hoax.asp cheers, os. Jesse Kudler wrote: > > These stupid things circulate a lot. You can't get a virus from an e-mail, > only an executable program. If a mail has an attachment, that could have a > virus, but not the mail itself. I see these kinds of warnings all the time, > and I'm surprised no one else has debunked this one yet. > > -Jesse > > -----Original Message----- > From: jeff & mary duke > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Date: Sunday, November 16, 1997 3:49 PM > Subject: Re: Virus Alert > > >Phil Diem wrote: > >> > >> This is the first one of these that I've seen in a while. It appears to > >> be legitiment - coming from and through reliable sorces. If it is > >> legitiment then it's VERY IMPORTANT! > >> > >> >Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:43:11 -0500 (EST) > >> >From: "Ray E. Mattatall" > >> >X-Sender: mattatal@choplifter.rs.itd.umich.edu > >> >Subject: Fwd: [Fwd: Fw: Virus warning] > >> >________________________________________________ > >> > >> > Subject: NEW VIRUS!! > >> > > >> > WARNING!!!!!! If you receive an e-mail titled "JOIN THE CREW" DO NOT > >> > open it! It will erase EVERYTHING on your hard drive! Send this > >> > letter out to as many people you can ... this is a new virus and not > >> > many people know about it! > >> > > >> > This information was received this morning from IBM, please share > >> > it with anyone that might access the Internet. > >> > > >> > Also, if anyone receives mail entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!" please > >> > delete it WITH OUT reading it!! This is a warning for all Internet > >> > users-there is a dangerous virus propagating across the Internet > >> > through an e-mail message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!". > >> > > >> > DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY MESSAGE ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETINGS"!! > >> > > >> > This message appears to be a friendly letter asking you if you are > >> > interested in a penpal, but by the time you read this letter, it is > >> > too late. The trojan horse virus will have already infected the > >> > boot sector of your hard drive, destroying all of the data present. > >> > It is a self-replicating virus, and once the message is read, it > >> > will AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to anyone who's e-mail address is > >> > present in YOUR mailbox! > >> > > >> > This virus will DESTROY your hard drive and holds the potential to > >> > DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in your in-box and > >> > who's mail is in their in-box and so on. If this virus keeps > >> > getting passed, it has the potential to do a great deal of DAMAGE > >> > to computer networks worldwide!!! > >> > > >> > Please, delete the message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!" as soon as > >> > you see it! And pass this message along to all of your friends, > >> > relatives and the other readers of the newsgroups and mailing lists > >> > which you are on so that they are not hurt by this dangerous virus! > >> > > >> > Please pass this along to everyone you know so this can be stopped. > >> > > >> > PASS THIS ON TO YOUR FRIENDS. > >> > > >> > WARNING!!! This is a new virus going around in the last couple of > >> > days! DO NOT open or even look at any mail that you get that says: > >> > "Returned or Unable to Deliver" This virus will attach itself to your > >> > computer components and render them useless. Immediately delete any > >> > mail items that says this. AOL has said this is a very dangerous > >> > virus, and there is NO remedy for it at this time. Please Be > >> > Careful, > >> > And forward to all your on-line friends A.S.A.P. > >> > > >> > Forward this A.S.A.P. to every single person you know!!!!!!!!! > >> > > >> > Greg Dimond > >> > Informix > >> > Software, Inc. > >> > Global Telecommunications > >> > 703-714-0608 > >> > > >> > > >> >anyone know how to keep my mail from opening a message before i have > read the title? I am running netscape 3.0. thanks Jeff > > > > -- Os os@millennium.co.uk http://webworlds.net/os/ From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 01:27:48 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 01:06:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXN8w-0001KN-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:06:54 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <346F2EC2.7849@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:02:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex Upgrade...etc. Resent-Message-ID: <"uiP6CB.A.2-.ehAc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1259 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:06:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 9f0f348fccbb036d54818b71f8e3ebd7 At 12:34 PM -0500 11/16/97, djdowling@earthlink.net wrote: >Some Questions- > >Q: Do brand new Plexes come with the new system in place or is it only >available as an Upgrade? new ones have the new software. >Q: If the unit does come with all the new fixings - how do I get one: a) >from my local dealer. b)From Oberheim. c)Somewhere else? local dealer, you might want to contact Oberheim to discover who that is and whether or not they have any in stock yet. >Q: How much do the new units go for? How much shopping should I do? list price is something like $800, but don't quote me. Street price is probably lower. >Q: Can I run my GR-30, with stereo outputs, into the Plex? The echoplex is mono, so you couldn't run true stereo loops with one of them. However, the echoplex is designed to allow multiple units to sync to each other. It is rather common for people to buy two echoplexes and set them up in a master/slave arrangement for stereo operation. The echoplex is designed to handle this stereo configuration, and does it very well with the new software. You can add moreunits if your budget can tolerate it, and get as multitracked as you like. Also, you don't need to have multiple units follow a master, they can be operated independently while using the sync to give some relationships among the loops. This is used for multitracks with different instruments, polyrhythmic looping, more complex mixing control of multiple loops, band-of-loopers, etc. hope this helps, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 10:10:15 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 08:47:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXUKL-00033X-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:47:09 -0800 Message-Id: <199711171619.IAA18328@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Vortex in a Coma Date: Mon, 17 Nov 97 10:23:59 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"6haKGC.A.U8B.aLHc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1267 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:47:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 8477c6a2166420ea753dfec3245212e5 My Vortex went down last night in the middle of a gig. Sonic grooviness stopped, and I looked up at the display, and all the lights and LED elements were on. Cycling power, unplugging everything, etc didn't do any good. Can Greg suggest anything, or tell me where to send it in for service? Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 10:10:01 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 02:54:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXOp6-0005HN-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 02:54:32 -0800 Message-ID: <3470226B.7847@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 05:54:35 -0500 From: jeff & mary duke Reply-To: jmar@bellsouth.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The magic of Torn References: <3.0.32.19971117044922.006930a0@online.no> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"EuCy2B.A.rtE.iECc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1260 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 02:54:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 8e9a80b8acc4edef6d09052ac8843e2c hovard@online.no wrote: > > Hi guys , I have a question about some of the sounds David Torn gets out of > his > equipment ( I know this is hard to answer , I`m just looking for ideas and > information). > And I hope this is not off-topic , but ; Torn makes these huge, lush , > organic and warm/ugly carpets of sound that lies way back in the mix and > sortof just envelopes the music. (I`m shure u know what I mean. If u dont, > listen to his cd "tripping over God". > > Is this done with volumepedal and reverb/delay?? if so , how can he make it > move and change throughout the loop?? how long do u think these loops are?? > 5 secs or 90??? > I mean , I dont understand HOW he does it , but those things are the main > reason I`m out there searching for a looper.Which I can`t find BTW. > > I hope I haven`t annoyed you with my ignorance or started a debate which is > off-topic > (I have noticed that a lot of the postings are gear-related). > > Yours truly , Thomas Woehni >I was reading an old interveiw with Torn and he called it >hypnodrones;> Well what I do is, I play guitar into a delay line, which I then process. Then play more into > it and then I process more, and then play more into it, and then process more. And the > opening sound, if you can hear it in "Time Bomb" ö it's a little bit low, is a drone, is a > loop. All the background sounds in "Time Bomb," in "Diamond Mansions," ö that's a > loop. The solo on "The Others" underneath things, I looped Chris B's trumpet. In the end > of "Brave Light of Sun," that is solo guitar. After the drums drop out, and there's about a > minute and a half of sound ö that's solo guitar, with the drones. Let's see ö what doesn't > have it? "Door X" is all loops. That's all it is [laughs]... It's nothing but guitar - it's like > three tracks of guitar. >also he has said that he improvises onto dat then puts it into a computer to make songs out of the bits!So its improvised then modified. >I hope this helps a little.Have you checked out "The Torn Web" at http://ott-outreach.engin.umich.edu/torn/ >Jeff Duke > From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 10:10:02 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 05:23:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXR94-0002W9-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 05:23:18 -0800 Message-Id: Subject: apology and thank you Date: Mon, 17 Nov 97 08:23:52 -0500 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Phil Diem To: , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"SmImEC.A.P9B.hPEc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1261 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 05:23:18 -0800 X-UIDL: a39cc81d8806f866fa8c18c8af3b1fd2 Sorry 'bout the virus post. And thank you to all who provided web sites for checking/de-bunking these rumors. Phil From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 10:10:05 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 06:05:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXRni-0004fL-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 06:05:18 -0800 From: Anthony Bowyer-Lowe To: Looper's Delight , malhomme@infobiogen.fr MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at post.mail.demon.net Subject: Re: Sync Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:53:09 -0000 Message-ID: <01bcf360$234892e0$LocalHost@amudarya> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"7851JC.A.E8D.p3Ec0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1263 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 06:05:18 -0800 X-UIDL: 105a3bdc42891fb49f1295fdeaa58e25 Hey Olivier... [Note: this isn't really on-topic for looping, but since some of you are concerned with syncing issues...] >I sync my old SH-101 (roland mono synth) with an old TR606, this way: >Thru my sequencer, I send codes to the TR that make it play bass drum >and snare at the same (better with all the sounds), with volume cranked >up. Then the "sound" in sent via jeck to the external clock input of the >SH-101. Of course it is not enough to rech the 5V (on the roland, I >think the clock is 12V, but I'm not sure), bu it is enough to make it >play synched to the sequencer, which is enough to do the job. Since we >can get sync with midi, then de facto an old analog thingie can be >synched with a looper... If that works, then all power to you... BUT! The 606 has a couple of trigger outs, which mirror the patterns programmed for the hi- and lo- toms. Surely it'd be easier to sync the 101 with one of those triggers? And that'd still leave you with the 606's audio out, letting you use its sweet, sweet hi-hats for your tracks. Questions? ynohtnA. -- Anthony Bowyer-Lowe <= The Essence Of Anthony. http://www.amudarya.demon.co.uk/ From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 10:10:04 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 06:02:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXRl2-0004QB-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 06:02:32 -0800 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:56:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711171356.IAA09432@cliff.concentric.net> X-Sender: hideo@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Tom Lambrecht Subject: Re: apology and thank you Resent-Message-ID: <"6Vqu7D.A.MvD.H0Ec0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1262 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 06:02:32 -0800 X-UIDL: 0d730c09dad1008e5b21ef13826350d7 At 08:23 AM 11/17/97 -0500, you wrote: >Sorry 'bout the virus post. > >And thank you to all who provided web sites for checking/de-bunking these >rumors. > >Phil > > > No worries--the theory behind bogus virus posts and Gerber baby food settlements on the Net is to bog the whole thing down in bandwidthgobbling frenzied correspndence . . . darn cyber -Luddites Tom Tom Lambrecht hideo@concentric.net From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 23:52:56 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 12:31:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXXp6-0001TS-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:31:08 -0800 Message-Id: <199711171957.LAA14648@scv4.apple.com> Subject: Re: The magic of Torn Date: Mon, 17 Nov 97 14:01:15 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"dL2Hw.A._S.DcKc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1275 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:31:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 57afc77f5a8e149b7e54acb43b1f82de >Is this done with volumepedal and reverb/delay?? if so , how can he make it >move and change throughout the loop?? how long do u think these loops are?? >5 secs or 90??? >I mean , I dont understand HOW he does it , but those things are the main >reason I`m out there searching for a looper.Which I can`t find BTW. I've got the Torn instructional videos, and he demonstrates a lot of his playing techniques. He makes several of the loops you're referring to with a PCM-42 with 20 seconds of delay. A lot of volume pedal work, a little compression, distortion and phase-shifting on the input signal. He locks down the loop, and sends that through a Digitech harmonizer set to a fifth or an octave above, and runs the whole thing through a PCM-70 for a really big reverb. He may also use a reverse reverb, it's been a while since I watched the video. The PCM-42 can also be set to randomly set the modulation section, resulting in further rapid pitch shifts, which the reverb smooths out. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 10:10:07 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 07:12:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXSqG-00034o-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 07:12:00 -0800 Message-Id: <199711171455.GAA11968@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: GEAR Question: Roland GR-700 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 07:04:43 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"gOg1v.A.4SC.VyFc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1264 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 07:12:00 -0800 X-UIDL: 82d5980cbd147f13630801d893f67482 > From: Kim Flint > > I would say buy it only if you are a collector. The new GR30 does so > >much more, sounds much better, tracks MUCH better, and can be had new > >for less than $1000 with the GK2A pickup. I think it includes a > >sequencer, too. > GR30's internal synth is sample playback, right? Since the GR-700 is analog, > it will likely sound totally different. Whether it's better or not depends > on what you want to do. I usually find sample playback synths to be > completely unsatisfying, especially from a guitar controller. I tend to Kim, I couldn't agree with you more (and sorry for joining the discussion late). With the resurgence of interest in analog keyboards (knobs!!) I wonder if Roland, or anyone for that matter, will re-issue a guitar synth similar to the GR-300/700s. It seems that with all the other advancements with guitar synth tracking, an analog hybrid guitar synth could really shine and offer players an alternate to sample playback machines. Speaking of guitar synths, has anyone heard Andy Summer's new solo album? The first track features some really great out there guitar sounds reminiscent of some of his guitar synth work with the Police....or it just could be some *very* creative work with an effects processor. Matt From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 10:10:08 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 07:20:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXSy8-0003gG-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 07:20:08 -0800 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:12:25 -0500 (EST) From: Drumworker@aol.com Message-ID: <971117101225_87119751@mrin44.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: DP4, Anyone Interested? Resent-Message-ID: <"4yHDEC.A.H_C.a8Fc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1265 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 07:20:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 071f18bf1abdd00ea126490ac48703c3 I have a friend selling a DP4. He is currently studying in Germany but will be back in Dec. Is anyone interested in making an offer for it? His description of the unit follows: "The DP4 has a short (only 3.3 secs) but high resolution loop. It has 4 effects units which can be ganged in many configurations, and includes a very wide range of excellent algorithms, from reverb/delay, chorus/flange, speaker emulation, gating, and even vocoding." Cheers, Paul O. From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 23:52:58 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 12:43:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXY0r-0002tA-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:43:17 -0800 From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com Date: Mon, 17 Nov 97 11:00:00 EST Encoding: 4 Text Message-Id: <9710178798.AA879809480@mail.amsinc.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:Lo-Fi StutterinG & Drum n' Bass rolls Resent-Message-ID: <"vI8pq.A.KhB.TnKc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1277 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:43:17 -0800 X-UIDL: 42215328b740d830795ae82868279d75 Thanks for the info - very interesting... ed From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 10:10:12 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 08:23:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXTx7-0000Yr-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:23:09 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C2917864F@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Sick Vortex. Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:10:52 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"TcgeuB.A.X6G.j0Gc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1266 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:23:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 5bedbd68e80ce11971dd43df6eb0f8be Dear Anthony, The encoder needs to be replaced. Our Distributor for the U.K. is Stirling Audio who should be able to sell you a switch or have it replaced. Stirling can be reached at 1-71-624-6000. Cleaning per Daves post will not help. Though this is one of the more common failures in these machines we have never seen an alarming number of failures of this type. This is not the pot that we stopped using in the LXP-15 which Steve had alluded to. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +781-280-0499 email: ghogan@lexicon.com From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 10:10:16 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 09:13:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXUjV-0005IN-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:13:09 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C2917865C@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Vortex in a Coma Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:00:01 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"mbaDyC.A.eDE.siHc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1268 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:13:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 7a23e863cc5149cb13119e97d6a5022a Dear Travis, Please verify that the power supply is working properly. If it is not the power supply I suggest that the machine be returned directly to us. Please contact me directly with your address and phone number and the serial number of the machine and I will give you shipping instructions and a return authorization number. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone 781-280-0372 FAX 781-280-0499 email: ghogan@lexicon.com > ---------- > From: T.W. Hartnett[SMTP:hartnett.t@apple.com] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Monday, November 17, 1997 11:44 AM > To: GHogan@lexicon.com > Subject: Vortex in a Coma > > My Vortex went down last night in the middle of a gig. Sonic > grooviness > stopped, and I looked up at the display, and all the lights and LED > elements were on. Cycling power, unplugging everything, etc didn't do > > any good. Can Greg suggest anything, or tell me where to send it in > for > service? > > Travis Hartnett > From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 23:52:50 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 12:02:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXXN8-0006CM-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:02:14 -0800 Message-ID: <34707A12.F0A@infobiogen.fr> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:08:36 +0000 From: malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: Pasteur Lille X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Sync II References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3SxUv.A.ceE.JAKc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1274 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:02:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 8c9c5aedc6d22153d0192f68aba1e365 AHHH error error it is not a tr 606, but a 505. That makes all tyhe difference because there is no trigger out. I tried to replicate the high voltage output by adding the sounds one on another, and cranking the volume. And, yes, I loose then the bebefits of adding some sounds of these machines in the process.... Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 23:52:51 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 12:02:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXXNE-0006D8-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:02:20 -0800 Message-ID: <34707AB0.3524@infobiogen.fr> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:11:15 +0000 From: malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: Pasteur Lille X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Please, young americans... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CQWPvC.A.KdE.BAKc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1273 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:02:20 -0800 X-UIDL: 2269e66ca9013f6023d272a8578db17d Would you be kind enough to forward me some telephone numbers (not 800-XXX) where I could call, considering I coould buy one FX-98 (a good start when no jamdudes or echopleces are appearing in the horizon.. Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 10:10:26 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 10:09:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXVbz-0002v7-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:09:27 -0800 X-Sender: nicomonguzzi@mail.vtx.ch Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <971117101225_87119751@mrin44.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:17:05 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "nicomonguzzi" Subject: Re: DP4, Anyone Interested? Resent-Message-ID: <"y6lWGC.A.fpB.cXIc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1270 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:09:27 -0800 X-UIDL: 79de4232fde79f96c4c7f7e3e56f82ce You: >I have a friend selling a DP4. >He is currently studying in Germany but will be back in Dec. Is anyone >interested in making an offer for it? > >His description of the unit follows: > >"The DP4 has a short (only 3.3 secs) but high resolution loop. It has 4 >effects units which can be ganged in many configurations, and includes a very >wide range of excellent algorithms, from reverb/delay, chorus/flange, speaker >emulation, gating, and even vocoding." > >Cheers, >Paul O. Me: Your friend has the DP4 with him in Germany? i live in Switzerland (lausanne). It is the new model (DP4+)? around 500 $ ? However it' a really nice effects processor, the guitarist that play with me has one and is very satisfied. i would use it not as a looper of course, but before or after my jamman. it has even a sound generator.. ciao nicos (sorry for my english) From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 10:10:24 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 10:02:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXVVP-0002Cg-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:02:39 -0800 Old-X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: <01BCF380.FF248C40@PCANDREW> From: Andrew To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: sick Vortex Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:48:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCF380.FF2DB400" Resent-Message-ID: <"DL6XU.A.gCB.jRIc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1269 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:02:39 -0800 X-UIDL: eb8c19908f5c1a3831a2878180974b08 Henry, The Lexicon people in the UK are STIRLING AUDIO - sorry I don't have their number, but I do know they're based in London. -----Original Message----- From: Henry Throop [SMTP:throop@bogart.Colorado.EDU] Sent: 16 November 1997 22:16 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: sick Vortex Anthony Bowyer-Lowe writes: > My most wonderful Lexicon Vortex is sick - poor thing. The rotary > encoder that selects the effect (the preset/register knob) has become > intermittent, and will only choose certain preset numbers. I can still > choose effects using the 'step' footpedal, but that doesn't let me > choose preset effects, only the user registers. > Any ideas what the problem is? Figure it's a mechanical issue with the > encoder, so how easy is it to replace? Does anyone have contact > information for Lexicon in the UK? The same control went out on my LXP-15. It's not exactly trivial to replace, but if you're handy with a soldering iron you can take out the old one and put in a new... the switch itself has a dozen or so pins that need to be unsoldered. Lex sent me a replacement part; I would imagine that it's a similar unit on the Vortex. If you're in a bind, you may be able to take the switch apart and clean out the contacts, and re-bend them if necessary. Might be quicker than waiting for a replacement part, although if you're like me, you run the risk of destroying the switch completely this way. -henry throop@colorado.edu From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 23:52:52 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 12:02:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXXNT-0006F6-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:02:35 -0800 From: Anthony Bowyer-Lowe To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at post.mail.demon.net Subject: Re: Sick Vortex. Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:35:11 -0000 Message-ID: <01bcf387$89b4e700$LocalHost@amudarya> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"1GAnZC.A.XZE.m_Jc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1272 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:02:35 -0800 X-UIDL: 3d05c00010f8e284ac353b6f614b0015 >Dear Anthony, > >The encoder needs to be replaced. Our Distributor for the U.K. is >Stirling Audio who should be able to sell you a switch or have it >replaced. Stirling can be reached at 1-71-624-6000. Thanks for the information, Greg. I'll get in touch with Stirling tomorrow. How easy is it to replace the encoder? I'm comfortable stripping down and replacing parts in machines, but I don't want to mess with the Vortex if it is sensitive or complex inside. Thanks, ynohtnA. -- Anthony Bowyer-Lowe <= The Essence Of Anthony. http://www.amudarya.demon.co.uk/ From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 23:52:49 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 11:57:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXXIq-0005ef-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:57:48 -0800 Message-ID: <34709412.1F08@infobiogen.fr> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:59:38 +0000 From: malhomme Reply-To: malhomme@infobiogen.fr Organization: Pasteur Lille X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Sick vortex References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"eyMVQ.A.3yD.X6Jc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1271 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:57:48 -0800 X-UIDL: 952f179b8d7289d772d425bac23b9e90 Oh, I know pretty well the problem, since when my brand new vortex, at the time flew from US to France, it arrived with the same problem. It is the encoder rotary pot in itself that is guilty. It becomes intermittent, and the factory preset are difficult to get, and especially to keep. The user one (if you dial through footswitches) are posing no problems. It is just the selection of programms through the encoder that is nuts. You "just" have to change the encoder. An iron, a little solder stuff, or ship it back to lexicon, if it still is cevired with warranty. Otherwise, try to find such an encoder. Those are the same used on reflex/alex/ maybe even jamdudes. Their are knowm to be sometimes faulty. Not often, just, it felt on us. That's life.... Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 23:52:56 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 12:39:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXXx3-0002Qw-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:39:21 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:52:16 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: The magic of Torn Resent-Message-ID: <"slaC2.A._EB.njKc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1276 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:39:21 -0800 X-UIDL: 8a10414bd064c3270ebe41ff86d13fb8 >Hi guys , I have a question about some of the sounds David Torn gets out of >his >equipment ( I know this is hard to answer , I`m just looking for ideas and >information). >And I hope this is not off-topic , but ; Torn makes these huge, lush , >organic and warm/ugly carpets of sound that lies way back in the mix and >sortof just envelopes the music. (I`m shure u know what I mean. If u dont, >listen to his cd "tripping over God". > >Is this done with volumepedal and reverb/delay?? if so , how can he make it >move and change throughout the loop?? how long do u think these loops are?? >5 secs or 90??? >I mean , I dont understand HOW he does it , but those things are the main >reason I`m out there searching for a looper.Which I can`t find BTW. Torn is a master, no doubt at all. I don't think there's any one technique that is his "secret weapon", he just knows his tools very well, and finds interesting uses for them. But every once in a while, I get a kind of "A-ha" (NOT the band) experience that gives me a clue into some of his techniques. I recently scored a classic Electro-Harmonix Memory Man ($75 at a pawn shop in Salem, OR). I've found one very Torn-like sound in it. Setting the delay time and feedback to the minimum, and the wet/dry mix to fully wet, the delay time knob acts as a kind of pitch control. his sounds very much like one of Torn's sounds, though I imagine he uses a PCM 42 with a foot pedal controlling the delay time. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 23:53:05 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 13:57:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXZAm-0002sZ-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:57:36 -0800 From: Anthony Bowyer-Lowe To: Looper's Delight Subject: Ooooops! Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:22:50 -0000 Message-ID: <01bcf396$938d82a0$LocalHost@amudarya> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"ebNVvD.A.xoB.6tLc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1281 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:57:36 -0800 X-UIDL: 58861eada72145a6041e517782ac6f91 Sorry, people - the last post from me was 'sposed to go just to Greg @ Lexicon, not the list. My apologiesapologieapologiapologapoloapoloapolapoapa... ynohtnA. -- Anthony Bowyer-Lowe <= The Essence Of Anthony. http://www.amudarya.demon.co.uk/ From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 23:53:00 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 12:55:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXYD1-0004J9-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:55:51 -0800 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C29178661@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg (Exchange)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Sick Vortex. Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:24:03 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"wws8g.A.f9C.2zKc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1278 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:55:51 -0800 X-UIDL: fa62699aed2edcff36c5c89013fb9d6d Anthony asked: "How easy is it to replace the encoder? I'm comfortable stripping > down and replacing parts in machines, but I don't want to mess with > the Vortex if it is sensitive or complex inside." Dear Anthony, You need to take precautions against static when opening the machine up and while you have it opened. There is minor mechanical disassembly/assembly required and then the desoldering of 6 solder points to remove the old switch and then resoldering the new switch at those same 6 points. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone +781-280-0372 FAX +781-280-0372 email: ghogan@lexicon.com From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 23:53:02 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 13:26:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xXYgj-0007J5-00; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:26:33 -0800 Subject: Re: Sick Vortex. Date: Mon, 17 Nov 97 13:15:54 -0800 x-sender: KurtR@mail.edmark.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Kurt Revis To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <19971117212032977.AAA190@[204.201.212.90]> Resent-Message-ID: <"4joCuB.A.w3F.HRLc0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1279 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:26:33 -0800 X-UIDL: 27e48c126a7270502d017396348599d1 >How easy is it to replace the encoder? I'm comfortable stripping >down and replacing parts in machines, but I don't want to mess with >the Vortex if it is sensitive or complex inside. I just replaced the same encoder about a month ago, and didn't find it very difficult. The important thing seems to be to have a fairly high-powered soldering iron, in order to heat the existing encoder's contacts hot enough to be able to pull it out. Someone with better soldering/desoldering technique than me would have found it easier, of course. The encoder isn't too close to anything else on the board, so it's not too dangerous to mess with. Like I said, I think I have pretty poor soldering technique, but my replacement feels solid and works just fine. Good luck! From ???@??? Mon Nov 17 23:53:03 1997 >From kflint Mon Nov 17 13:29:03 1997 Received: from lists by fer