From ???@??? Mon Sep 01 13:25:31 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 1 09:52:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x5Zig-0006hy-00; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:52:54 -0700 X-Sender: darcyc@srvr5.engin.umich.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:49:50 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Darcy Clark Subject: newbie question Resent-Message-ID: <"Lmxz5.A.dFG.CIvC0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/387 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:52:54 -0700 X-UIDL: e5ce1cfc5c6768ea31b9f81f64370207 Hi, I am a guitarist and keyboard player who, while not yet skilled in the arts of looping, is always interested in new techniques and ways of making music. I have been playing with a Boss gx-700 (max 2seconds delay) but it obviously lacks the control necessary for the finer art of looping. Therefore I have been looking at the Echoplex and JamMan as possible purchases. I have found a person selling an Echoplex Digital (not the Pro) - can this machine be used in the same manner at the Pro model - what are the significant differences between the two ? I haven't been able to find this info. on the 'Net but I would bet that someone on this list has the 'skinny'. many thanks Darcy Clark +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Materials Science and Engineering Department University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2136 USA +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Room 2130, Dow Building Phone (313) 764 3377 Fax (313) 763 4788 E-mail darcyc@engin.umich.edu http://www.engin.umich.edu/class/mse250 http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/people/darcyc/ http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ???@??? Mon Sep 01 13:25:31 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 1 13:15:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x5ct3-0006sG-00; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 13:15:49 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 17:13:00 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: newbie question Resent-Message-ID: <"tKHa5.A.6PG.nGyC0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/388 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 13:15:49 -0700 X-UIDL: c92706c2508335abffb38c8c14d06153 Welcome Darcy! >I have found a person selling an Echoplex Digital (not the Pro) does not exist, ask the person! - can this >machine be used in the same manner at the Pro model - what are the >significant differences between the two ? There only are the analog Echoplexes of the seventies and the digital pro (which seem to be rare, too right now, so grab it... :-) Matthias From ???@??? Tue Sep 02 00:58:44 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 1 22:31:29 1997 Received: from mail.exapps.com [209.48.133.7] by ferret with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x5lYl-0003yF-00; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 22:31:27 -0700 Received: by MAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 01:33:13 -0400 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F2092E7@MAIL> From: David Kirkdorffer To: Kim Flint Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: A Looper's Delight milestone Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 01:33:11 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain X-UIDL: aa8d879bfc6ec6da3f44b3ab4eeaffa2 Thank you for creating this nice place to be! david > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@annihilist.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 1997 4:06 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: A Looper's Delight milestone > > Sometime in the past week, the Looper's Delight website had it's > 50,000th > hit of the year. Not bad for a weird little niche! > > thanks to everyone who's helped make it a nice place to go! > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Sep 02 00:58:45 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 1 22:35:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x5lcW-0004HO-00; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 22:35:20 -0700 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F2092E7@MAIL> From: David Kirkdorffer To: Kim Flint Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: A Looper's Delight milestone Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 01:33:11 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"n2flXD.A.BxD.xS6C0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/389 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 22:35:20 -0700 X-UIDL: 28a59a5d60ef1553651a9a144cc5f1d2 Thank you for creating this nice place to be! david > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@annihilist.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 1997 4:06 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: A Looper's Delight milestone > > Sometime in the past week, the Looper's Delight website had it's > 50,000th > hit of the year. Not bad for a weird little niche! > > thanks to everyone who's helped make it a nice place to go! > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Sep 02 00:58:46 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 1 22:37:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x5leE-0004QT-00; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 22:37:06 -0700 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F2092E8@MAIL> From: David Kirkdorffer To: Brian.Thomson@prudential.co.uk Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Korg DL8000R Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 01:35:55 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Q3Fgf.A.D6D.TV6C0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/390 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 22:37:06 -0700 X-UIDL: a7c15e91f352f2d35903289f98c191e1 This sounds like a fun new toy. Anyone see a price on this in the USA? David > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian.Thomson@prudential.co.uk > [SMTP:Brian.Thomson@prudential.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 1997 2:18 PM > To: - (052)Loopers-Delight(a)annihilist.com > Subject: More Gear Talk: Korg DL8000R > > Came across this one in my travels - haven't seen any mention of it on > this > list. Full details are at http://www.korg.com/dl8000r.htm but here > are some > highlights: > > From ???@??? Sun Mar 29 12:44:10 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 29 00:04:02 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJD4N-0007Ss-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:03:55 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19970901230814.007a84c0@pop3.concentric.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 23:08:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: About looping technique... In-Reply-To: <007C5C434EB2D1118BB7006008C15F6001F63C@mail.exapps.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"J-WOM.A.RwF.c4fH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4726 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:03:55 -0800 X-UIDL: 434ee1826554342fe7214c600b832865 Wonderful suggestions! I often tell my students to "play like a child" so they don't think about what they think they should do or have to do. Wonderful!!! smiles, Corynne At 09:40 AM 3/23/98 -0500, you wrote: >At the risk of stating the obvious, I've found that a few things can help my >looping. > >1. Be relaxed >2. Mistakes can be doors into the unexpected, go through some of them >and see what you find. >3. Try having a strategy or purpose to each moment >4. Conversely, don't evaluate or think too much, let stuff flow. You >can evaluate it all later. >5. Get familiar with your gear and what sounds you can evoke. >6. Do it regularly. One month of looping 2-hours a day will do more >for your looping than anything else. >7. When you get familiar with what you're able to do, try looping in >the context of other musicians. That's a whole other skill. >8. Try recording what you do, you'll see similarities from piece to >piece. This could be your style. Or, you could notice what you're NOT >doing. Gives you a choice to change, either way. >9. Have some fun with looping at least some of the time. Keep the >child in you alive if you can. > >Have fun. >David > > > From ???@??? Sun Mar 29 12:44:12 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 29 00:04:51 1998 Received: from falcon (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.27] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJD59-0007Zv-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:04:43 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJD54-0004x9-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:04:38 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJD4v-0007Xk-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:04:29 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19970901231941.007c5140@pop3.concentric.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 23:19:41 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Phenomenon In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19980324121937.276f5eba@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> References: <19980324015048.17548.rocketmail@web2.rocketmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"KCy3EC.A.yyF.r4fH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4728 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:04:29 -0800 X-UIDL: 6d2a47b89f9cc5ec485bf1ff4706de35 looping looping looping looping looping looping looping... s so sou soun sound sounds soundsc soundsca soundscap soundscapi soundscapin soundscaping... smiles, Corynne At 12:19 PM 3/24/98, you wrote: >John and Diane asked: >>Who would care to take a shot? Compare looping with soundscaping. >>Differences & similarities. > >Looping is what we all do around here. >Soundscaping is what Robert Fripp does when he's looping. >Aside from the name change, I don't percieve any major difference. > >> What's the difference technique, gear, attitude or creativity? > >Now that, my friend, is dangerous ground around here! > >>I haven't looped yet but do play space with series of delays and analog >>effects. I'm of the mind of attitude and style. What do you think? > >If you've played with a series of delays, and had that feedback knob turned >up long enough to play back over, you've looped. Looping, to me, means >using a delay to enable you to play more than one sound at once, live. >It's easy to get precious about things beyond that. As far as I'm >concerned Eric Johnson is looping on the first track of Tones, and he's >just using a 1/2 second delay pedal with a "hold" switch. > >The Reverend said: >>And does being an "experimental guitarist" mean >>that you also don't practice your double-stops >>and hammer-ons? :-) > >Yeah, but we do get to practice hitting the strings with hammers, fruit or >marital aids. > >Michael > > > > From ???@??? Tue Sep 02 09:25:46 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 2 06:51:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x5tMS-0001Q6-00; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 06:51:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 10:26:45 +0400 Message-ID: <00000ABD.@poyry.com.br> From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br (MAT) Subject: Re[2]: Vocoder Recordings -Zepplin? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"DdOJaC.A.WFB.6iBD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/396 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 06:51:16 -0700 X-UIDL: d5064d8109dac90a8478e6a730727fc0 There are samples of the PAIA vocoder at www.hyperreal.org/music/machines. I recently assembled the kit but I did not tested it extensively; the first and only time I put it to work I got a lot of RF interference (real plague in S.Paulo). Please inform your results with the unit. Miguel ___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________ Assunto: Re: Vocoder Recordings -Zepplin? Autor: PainPete@aol.com na INTERNET Data: 02/09/1900 09:02 There's a mometary use of an effect on Robert Plant's voice on the song "No Quarter" from the "Houses of the Holy" album, at the end of the line "The Winds of Thor are Blowing Cold" right where we says "Cold". Sound like a vocoder with delay. I've never been sure. Comparisons to Spinal Tap aside, what do the rest of you think? Is this a vocoder or something else? (I remain undecided myself). In a message dated 97-09-02 07:47:03 EDT, you write: << Subj: Re: Vocoder Recordings Date: 97-09-02 07:47:03 EDT From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk Resent-from: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mark: >Can anyone recommend some popular recordings that feature a vocoder? It's all over Mike Oldfield's "QE2" album, and Laurie Anderson's "Big Science". But of course, you should have these albums anyway... :) Michael /-------------------------------------------------------------------\ |Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes | Tel:0141 330 5979 | Fax: 0141 330 4907 | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |Bioelectronics, Rankine Bldg, Glasgow University, Glasgow, G12 8QQ | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | http://www.elec.gla.ac.uk/groups/bio/Electrokinetics/main.html | \-------------------------------------------------------------------/ >> From ???@??? Sun Mar 29 12:44:14 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 29 00:05:03 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJD5K-0007bv-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:04:54 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19970902000018.007ae9b0@pop3.concentric.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 00:00:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Gear judgement and expression In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"0z9X0B.A.C0F.y4fH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4729 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:04:54 -0800 X-UIDL: 5fb193c578130fd423b0a0e051caa898 I don't mean to flog a dead horse, but since we're decideing to take issue with statements, here goes... As an instructor, I would say that it's not necessarily true that a player of limited skills will most'likely sound worse than one who is "proficient"... smiles, Corynne At 01:44 PM 3/25/98 +1000, you wrote: >I am often suspicious of statements like the one below. > >Kim Flint wrote: > judgement criteria > > are. > > the weekend warrior > disposable income to buy > and no particular > <"guy-with-small-penis-and-really-fast-sports-car" >syndrome. > > skills seem quite able to > ones that usually end > time I saw Max Roach > auditorium full of > half. > > gear. > > <(although I still think you should buy two echoplexes >:-) ) > >I don't understand the purpose of such generalised public statements. >Almost everybody, through life experience, has an intuitive >understanding of the stereotypes outlined, >and most on this list have heard the arguments for "gear" vs "purist" >approaches. > >Perhaps it is a pattern, that you are referring too, Kim, that you >observe. > >My response to your judgement criteria is this: > >Anything that produces sonic energy is a musical instrument. >Some are more "complicated" than others. >All have characteristics which are open to interpretation and >exploitation. >Some are more expensive than others, often in proportion with their >"complexity" >Complicated instruments necessarily take longer to master than simple >ones. >Anyone who has only a base level of mastery on an instrument is more >likely to sound "worse" >than someone who has a high mastery. >Additionally, what the musician visualizes or wishes to play, how they >vitalize that, >and how the audient translates it, all influence sounding "worse" in >relation to something else. >And for there to be a "worse" there has to be something "better". > > >And it's OK if you're intent, Kim, was nothing more than an exercise in >flippancy. >Because that is entertaining as well. > >So, now that I have said nothing, I will say something: > >Music toys should not be prejudiced for the reason that someone else >uses them badly. >In, fact, you would think it is the motivation for doing it well. > >It is so easy to "just get along" with all musical instruments of all >race, colour, material and delay memory if you just break down the >walls. (Sob) > > >AND NOW FOR SOMETHING ELSE > >Does any other loopers out there feel that the arrival of more >expressive control devices is overdue? >If you think about it, the volume pedal is a very simple thing. >Can't we do better? > >Instead of being able to control one parameter with one appendage, we >should be able to achieve a higher resolution. >Like, the flexion of each joint, say? >Or maybe contraction of muscles. > >The most promising thing I have seen to date is the Ribbon controllers >and scratch pads, or the Korg wavedrum. > >The "mastery" of these complicated electronic toys will be assisted, I >think, through better means of control. > >So, let's hear some weird ideas, eh? > >Jamie the designer >jlack@auran.com > > > > > > > > From ???@??? Sun Mar 29 12:44:11 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 29 00:04:13 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJD4Z-0007UJ-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:04:07 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19970902002459.007dd4f0@pop3.concentric.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 00:24:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Ambient loops? In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980325190326.006fd0f0@mail.txdirect.net> References: <19980325234827899.AAA185@modem16.dinonet.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"yZFAuB.A.xxF.l4fH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4727 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:04:07 -0800 X-UIDL: a29630dc2d956a534de0c15fcb72d085 I'm primarily a guitarist and I love and perform ambient loops... smiles, Corynne At 07:03 PM 3/25/98 -0600, you wrote: >I know this is a rather sily question, as a lot of the people here are into >(seemingly anyway) more guitar-based loopage, but how many fans/creators of >more ambient-style loops (or even Throbbing Gristle style material) are >lurking out there? Very curious..... > >DIY electronic music, Zineage, and more: >http://www.txdirect.net/users/zom/ > > > > > From ???@??? Sun Mar 29 12:44:13 1998 >From kflint Sun Mar 29 00:04:57 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJD5E-0007aw-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:04:48 -0800 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJD5C-0004xN-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:04:46 -0800 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJD50-0007YU-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:04:34 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19970902005157.007b8dc0@pop3.concentric.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 00:51:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Birds in our trees In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980328123008.006a75cc@mail.utexas.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"1o3mR.A.s1F.74fH1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4730 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:04:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 47744e23ae24a85597409b0c2f92df17 Great msg, I was attending a Music Craft seminar a while back and while we were playing some music, I and a few others of us heard a few crickets who were quite definately chirping in time with us! Go figure... smiles and chirps, Corynne At 12:30 PM 3/28/98 -0600, you wrote: >I woke up this scintillatin' morning out of terms with my stomach and >cranium, due to the once happy embrace of last night's shindig. I grabbed >a grapefruit and went out to our back patio which overlooks trees, and >terraces leading down to a creek (amusingly we own the river bed). > >I sat, started eating and then I noticed the birds were looping. There >were about four of them doing it. One bird had a particular blu blu blu >and then there would be a quarter note rest, then other birds came in for >an answering measure, sometimes two. Then some birds would just come in on >top of the first, but the basic rhythm was maintained. It was strikingly >like a dance and it sounded fantastic(; > >By course, I thought I'd better tape this, so I finished my grapefruit, ran >inside, got my portable tape recorder, and went ran back outside. They had >stopped. ): On the other side of our property the neighbors had once again >started arguing in loud voices. This noise I also contemplated taping, but >I don't think they'd be too happy to see me. > >Really it was all about the birds. Has anyone else had this experience to >such a degree where the birds were interacting in this way? I mean these >birds actually had it down. I was almost convinced that Dead Can Dance or >Loop Guru was around. (; > >Do birds loop without knowing? Can it be said a human loops as a human's >heart beats? Or is the heart, moreover, really the mind interpretating >what we desire to hear, the heart just being a direct symbol of pulsing >life? How does one relate to these physiological/mental needs? I can see >I'm going to have to get books on bird social structures. (; > >One last question or two, does anybody here know of someone who has done >something completely with birds, animals, samples environmental that was >percussive as these birds were, and last has here anybody used bird calls >and why? Was it for a particualar mood, for example. > >kick some skillet > says I makin eggs & 'jacks > (grapefruit weren't enough (; ) >Mjh > > > > > > > From ???@??? Tue Sep 02 09:25:42 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 2 03:01:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x5pmF-0004MM-00; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 03:01:39 -0700 Message-ID: <01BCB765.7E5F83A0@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: Vocoder Recordings Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 06:00:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"pbDOSC.A.E9D.bN-C0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/391 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 03:01:39 -0700 X-UIDL: baa2421f87458a2a537b2a6af42880dd I've wanted to incorporate a vocoder in my looping rig for a long time. Several years ago, I bought a Paia Vocoder Kit, but never had the time to assemble it. Recently, I contacted the local high school electronics teacher about having a student build it for me. I described a vocoder as an electronic device that lets an instrument "talk," but I'd like to provide him with a few sample recordings that feature a vocoder. So far, I've only been able to find Wendy Carlos' "Analog and Digital Synthesis" CD that she put out about 10 years ago. She demonstrates a vocoder with several examples of classical music. Can anyone recommend some popular recordings that feature a vocoder? Thanks, Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Tue Sep 02 09:25:43 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 2 04:47:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x5rQY-0006wB-00; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 04:47:22 -0700 Message-Id: <2942.199709021144@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:44:39 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD) Subject: Re: Vocoder Recordings Resent-Message-ID: <"D3-Y2.A.XYG.Vx_C0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/392 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 04:47:22 -0700 X-UIDL: c12eb3f64a527dc5d6d24ce2f4458bfe Mark: >Can anyone recommend some popular recordings that feature a vocoder? It's all over Mike Oldfield's "QE2" album, and Laurie Anderson's "Big Science". But of course, you should have these albums anyway... :) Michael /-------------------------------------------------------------------\ |Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes | Tel:0141 330 5979 | Fax: 0141 330 4907 | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |Bioelectronics, Rankine Bldg, Glasgow University, Glasgow, G12 8QQ | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | http://www.elec.gla.ac.uk/groups/bio/Electrokinetics/main.html | \-------------------------------------------------------------------/ From ???@??? Tue Sep 02 09:25:43 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 2 05:13:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x5rpW-0007ij-00; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 05:13:10 -0700 Message-ID: <01BCB777.ED59AE40@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Vocoder Recordings Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 08:12:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VhEI6.A.TGH.BJAD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/393 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 05:13:10 -0700 X-UIDL: cda23b38101d234fba11f45639502fa9 Thanks, Michael. I'd forgotten about these. I have Big Science. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ---------- From: Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD[SMTP:pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 1997 7:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vocoder Recordings Mark: >Can anyone recommend some popular recordings that feature a vocoder? It's all over Mike Oldfield's "QE2" album, and Laurie Anderson's "Big Science". But of course, you should have these albums anyway... :) Michael /-------------------------------------------------------------------\ |Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes | Tel:0141 330 5979 | Fax: 0141 330 4907 | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |Bioelectronics, Rankine Bldg, Glasgow University, Glasgow, G12 8QQ | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | http://www.elec.gla.ac.uk/groups/bio/Electrokinetics/main.html | \-------------------------------------------------------------------/ From ???@??? Tue Sep 02 09:25:44 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 2 05:26:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x5s2i-0000ae-00; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 05:26:48 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 14:23:39 +0200 (MET DST) From: Olivier Malhomme To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Effects Message-ID: Organization: "GIS INFOBIOGEN, 7 rue Guy Moquet BP8, 94801 VILLEJUIF, France" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"g61WWC.A.0Y.tVAD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/394 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 05:26:48 -0700 X-UIDL: 3004cef505ca3d29008227b7e9ae1006 I just need a little advice... Can someone just explain me the all differences between all the version of the H3000 eventide, and of the H4000 (or GTR4000, or anything...) Thank you for your concern... Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Tue Sep 02 09:25:45 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 2 06:09:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x5sha-0001ts-00; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 06:09:02 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:02:55 -0400 (EDT) From: PainPete@aol.com Message-ID: <970902090255_1682788559@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vocoder Recordings -Zepplin? Resent-Message-ID: <"7BgbKD.A.uiB.86AD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/395 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 06:09:02 -0700 X-UIDL: 57fa4cd1b441e6f8ca4cbc723ac8675d There's a mometary use of an effect on Robert Plant's voice on the song "No Quarter" from the "Houses of the Holy" album, at the end of the line "The Winds of Thor are Blowing Cold" right where we says "Cold". Sound like a vocoder with delay. I've never been sure. Comparisons to Spinal Tap aside, what do the rest of you think? Is this a vocoder or something else? (I remain undecided myself). In a message dated 97-09-02 07:47:03 EDT, you write: << Subj: Re: Vocoder Recordings Date: 97-09-02 07:47:03 EDT From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk Resent-from: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Mark: >Can anyone recommend some popular recordings that feature a vocoder? It's all over Mike Oldfield's "QE2" album, and Laurie Anderson's "Big Science". But of course, you should have these albums anyway... :) Michael /-------------------------------------------------------------------\ |Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes | Tel:0141 330 5979 | Fax: 0141 330 4907 | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |Bioelectronics, Rankine Bldg, Glasgow University, Glasgow, G12 8QQ | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | http://www.elec.gla.ac.uk/groups/bio/Electrokinetics/main.html | \-------------------------------------------------------------------/ >> From ???@??? Tue Sep 02 09:25:49 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 2 07:47:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x5uFC-0004Fv-00; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 07:47:50 -0700 Message-ID: <340C1D57.BAA7033C@vtx.ch> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 16:06:15 +0200 From: "c.voit" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vocoder Recordings X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <01BCB765.7E5F83A0@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3EoUW.A.NvD.jYCD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/398 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 07:47:50 -0700 X-UIDL: 95c922be63d63988091964a19ad98051 Beatiful vocoder lines can be found in a lot of recordings by Joe Zawinul I just scanned "The Immigrants" by The Zawinul Syndicate (CBS) and theres vocoder almost in all tunes from very subtle backgrounds to lead melodies Beatiful music Claude From ???@??? Tue Sep 02 09:25:49 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 2 08:13:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x5udi-0005f8-00; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 08:13:10 -0700 Message-ID: <340C2AE9.FEC@interactive.net> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 11:04:09 -0400 From: Jonathan Brainin Reply-To: see@onyx.interactive.net, my@onyx.interactive.net, signature@onyx.interactive.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Effects References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1G3gNB.A.54E.juCD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/399 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 08:13:10 -0700 X-UIDL: 71cdc895dd64d7115e021e889f49144c Olivier Malhomme wrote: > > I just need a little advice... > Can someone just explain me the all differences between all the version of > the H3000 eventide, and of the H4000 (or GTR4000, or anything...) > Thank you for your concern... > > Olivier Malhomme The Eventide web site, http://www.eventide.com/profaud/harm.htm, will provide all the info you could possibly want. If you need to know more after checking out the website, email me privately and I'll be happy to try and help. Jonathan Brainin jbrainin@interactive.net From ???@??? Tue Sep 02 09:25:48 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 2 07:09:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x5tdx-0002Jg-00; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 07:09:21 -0700 Message-Id: <9709021409.AA09480@beryllium.lexicon.com> Priority: urgent Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 11:05:00 -0400 From: "Sellon, Bob" Subject: RE: Jamman Upgrade To: Loopers-Delight X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Resent-Message-ID: <"pgh7gB.A.Z8B.30BD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/397 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 07:09:21 -0700 X-UIDL: d02f50cdc18336345e70150099a989c2 I submitted a proposal to Lexicon management about a month ago for licensing the code but have not gotten a response. I just got back from vacation and intend to push the issue with them pretty hard. Sorry about the lack of information but I didn't want to clog Loopers-Delight with vapor. When I get any solid info (which should be soon), I'll post it. Bob Sellon Stec/Lexicon ---------- From: Loopers-Delight[SMTP:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 1997 10:11 AM To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Jamman Upgrade ---------------------------------------------------- Has anybody heard the latest on the Jamman EPROM upgrade? Is it still happening? Mike From ???@??? Tue Sep 02 23:00:10 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 2 20:04:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x65kA-0006o9-00; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 20:04:34 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:22:18 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Jam man @ Rogue auction Resent-Message-ID: <"JSf-a.A.NCG.9JND0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/400 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 20:04:34 -0700 X-UIDL: 6c1bcfc274da64b20ae1e2e41135eb36 This month's on line auction at Rogue Music in NY City has a Jam Man up for grabs. Now don't go crazy boys and girls. You can access the auction at: >This month the auction starts on Wednesday, September >3 and runs until 4 PM Friday, September 12. You can keep up on the action >by checking our web site at http://www.roguemusic.com Have fun! Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Tue Sep 02 23:00:12 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 2 22:58:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x68S9-0002KU-00; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 22:58:09 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 01:53:54 -0400 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: Vocoder Recordings To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199709030154_MC2-1EF2-3236@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"FAG2M.A.DAC.CvPD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/401 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 22:58:09 -0700 X-UIDL: 0d88397df53b7ed5fc84e880c64adc4e Mark writes, >I've wanted to incorporate a vocoder in my looping rig for a long time. Several years ago, I bought a Paia Vocoder Kit, but never had the time to assemble it.< My Boss SE-70 has a vocoder preset. I haven't used it much but it works fine. The SE-70 is a wonderful machine, the central part of my gear together with the loop. >Can anyone recommend some popular recordings that feature a vocoder? Brian Eno sings through a vocoder on a very nice piece on the Passengers CD. ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm Support the Warr Guitar Defense Fund http://home.earthlink.net/~greendog/warrfund.html From ???@??? Wed Sep 03 09:56:42 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 2 23:57:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x69Nh-00057J-00; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:57:37 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:52:50 -0700 (MST) From: Dan Howarth To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Vocoder Recordings In-Reply-To: <199709030154_MC2-1EF2-3236@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"pLL2AC.A.kmE.JmQD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/402 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:57:37 -0700 X-UIDL: 2f37b4a6a8347480cc28f64bb6d413e0 it seems that ALL hiphop songs on the radio these days incorporate a vocoder harmony vocal in the background - or at least some heavy samples of it. anybody used the new digitech talker? it's on their wwwsite and seems pretty nifty. ** Dan Howarth ** ** Classics-History-Music. University of Arizona, Tucson ** ** http://www.u.arizona.edu/~howarth ** From ???@??? Mon Mar 30 09:27:48 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 30 05:50:56 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJexg-0004m6-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 05:50:52 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19970903062500.007b3960@pop3.concentric.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 06:25:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Goddess Subject: Re: Victor Wooten loops In-Reply-To: <19980329233937.12359.rocketmail@send1d.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"X60qn.A.6GE.1J6H1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4753 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 05:50:52 -0800 X-UIDL: 955c0d18031ed1828afa64574f9a58c5 Hey there, Figures, I work at a music store and never know who's in the area until they've already played... Can ya tell me more about the shows by e-mailing me personally? Have a wonderful day... smiles, Corynne At 03:39 PM 3/29/98 -0800, you wrote: >I just saw Victor Wooten (bassist with Bela Fleck and Flecktones) >playing solo at a record store in Boulder. He mentioned that he does >loops now. I asked what he used and he said he has a Jamman and an >Echoplex DP. I mentioned this mailing list and he asked that I let >the Gibson and Lexicon folks here know that he uses their loopers. > >Today he played solo with no loop machine. Tomorrow, he will play at >the Fox Theater in Boulder using loops, and a drummer. I recorded his >solo playing today, and plan to record the duo at the Fox tomorrow. > >Victor was very friendly, and upbeat, encouraging the small crowd to >ask questions. His playing today involved playing bass lines, topped >with fretted melodies or chords, both played with either harmonics or >finger tapping using his right hand. Often the bass lines were done >with hammering on, so his right hand was free to play the melody or >chords. Touches of percussive popping were interspersed as well. > >Victor spoke about technique vs. musicality, stressing the importance >of listening, while playing, rather than playing using certain >technique "just because you can". >He said that this listening applies both in groups and when playing >solo, to listen to himself as the music is created. >Victor said that music is like cake. The icing is nice, when thinly >put on top, but by itself it gets old fast. The cake underneath is >the substance of the music, and can be enjoyed with or without the >icing. The playing can be simple, and still have musical value that >endures the test of time. The fanciest technique, without underlying >substance, grows tiresome quickly. >While playing he obviously took chances, occasionally making a mistake >at the extremes, then recovering with grace and sometimes humor. He >made his basses sing. > >bret >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From ???@??? Mon Mar 30 09:27:52 1998 >From kflint Mon Mar 30 06:26:36 1998 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yJfWE-00011o-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:26:34 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19970903072446.007b58d0@pop3.concentric.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 07:24:46 -0700 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: Goddess Subject: looping and improv... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"mpJfMD.A.db.dq6H1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4755 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:26:34 -0800 X-UIDL: 0aefdbf2049c2a6f62add97f65e14cfb Laurie, I really liked your last post concerning looping and improv. I may not be completely clear on the question you were answering as I was suffering from really annoying insomnia when I read it, but I loved your answer... I feel the same way about doing what's called for at the time in the context of where the focus of a particular piece of music is going at the time. Yawn!, let's try that again... I view my equiptment as instruments like my guitar or my voice I think the gear can be as much an improvisational tool as my other instruments or my heart or my mind... etc. So I guess the "gear" could be as much a focus as the "music" if it needed to be. As far as I understand the question about looping vs. improv, I would have to say that I think looping runs the gambit of expression and style as much as any other type of music does. Some types are more regemented while others are more free-form. When I loop, it's like what ever is comming out as the music and myself can two separate entities. I give the music an idea where to go and in turn, it gives me back a bunch of ideas where to go and on and on. Even when I establish a basic idea, form or "soundscape" in my head first, this can still happen. The only times I find this happening considerably less, is when an idea hits me and says "this is the one, this is what you play..." Even at these times though, life has the final words, whatever happens, happens... That's the fun of it! Oh, I also love the idea of the "one-chick band", way cool!!! it's way fun and gets ya noticed when ya make all these wierd sounds that noone's heard before... One other cool thing is that creative differences are not allowed! ha ha ha Anyway, I hope this whole thing has made sense, as I'm pretty tired... Probably not the best time to send e-mails... smiles, Corynne From ???@??? Wed Sep 03 21:46:20 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 3 11:10:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x6Jsp-0002q2-00; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:10:27 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199709030154_MC2-1EF2-3236@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:43:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Vocoder Recordings Resent-Message-ID: <"gpFz1C.A.-GC.jZaD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/403 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:10:27 -0700 X-UIDL: 72c638024f890c139ee3cd00ce946ba3 At 11:52 PM -0700 9/2/97, Dan Howarth wrote: >it seems that ALL hiphop songs on the radio these days incorporate a >vocoder harmony vocal in the background - or at least some heavy samples >of it. Yeah, I was going to say, this whole thing was about trying to help some high school students know what a vocoder is by pointing out examples in music they are familiar with. That probably wouldn't include Joe Zawinul and Brian Eno! Or Led Zeppelin. You'd have better luck picking some Dr. Dre influenced tune off of MTV. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Sep 03 21:46:21 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 3 11:18:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x6K0g-0003Vh-00; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:18:34 -0700 Message-ID: <04A62A6EE022D111B10700805FE24D9D04BB60@SERVER1> From: "Lambert, Georges" To: 'Loopers-Delight' Subject: RE: Vocoder Recordings Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 14:13:48 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"c7TLAC.A.8-C.nkaD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/404 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:18:34 -0700 X-UIDL: 0b80fc10614c730e84d510127a992d35 For Vocoder used in songs you can listen to: Alan Parson Project's song "The raven". Styx's song Mr Roboto, Kraftwerk's Autobahn and Men Machine album. Also of interest is Peter Frampton's song "Do you feel like we do", with the "Mouth-Box" effect where the mouth is used to modulate the envelope and the tone (like a wah-wah) of the guitar, old but pretty cool. From ???@??? Wed Sep 03 21:46:23 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 3 18:18:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x6QYy-0002vk-00; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 18:18:24 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970904011412.0066e1d4@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: gls@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 20:14:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Grover Sheffield Subject: Loopers Resent-Message-ID: <"G0JhyC.A.SaC.ysgD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/405 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 18:18:24 -0700 X-UIDL: 395680c6dabb2f3cb9fc6135aeaaaa36 I'm a looper neonate (I have heard-but do not own or use looping technology). I'm looking into using a looping tool to spice up my solo gigs (restaurants, primarily, playing acoustic fingerstyle/vocal with spasmodic coughs of sequencer and MIDI guitar). Thanks for sharing all the information I've seen so far! Questions: 1. Is PC looping technology feasible for live work yet? Including foot controllers? 2. If yes, how does it compare with the Boomerang, Echoplex, and JamMan? I've looked at the comparisons of Echoplex and JamMan, visited the Boomerang site, but the only looping device I've heard live is a Boss GT-5. I'm leaning toward the Boomerang because of the cost and the length of sampling, but I'm still trying to gather information about its' sound quality, given the lower sampling rate. 3. Any recommended vendors for finding an Echoplex (or other good looper) with foot controller at least cost? Thanks for any suggestions, and again for providing the forum for information sharing! Grover From ???@??? Thu Sep 04 19:17:14 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 4 11:30:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x6gft-0007QW-00; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:30:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199709041744.KAA30090@scv3.apple.com> Subject: Re: Vocoder Recordings Date: Thu, 4 Sep 97 12:47:11 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"FCI8jB.A.FeG.k0vD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/410 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:30:37 -0700 X-UIDL: a45a0683066ac7f802604623a8171437 >"the diary of Horace Wimp" by ELO (on "out of the blue " I think )has a >nice prominent vocoded rhythm to it as well. Actually on "Discovery", although "Mr. Blue Sky" does have a vocoder and is on "Out of the Blue". There's also an instrumental track on OOTB, called "The Whale" (I think) which has vocoder. Now that I think of it, I think "Sweet Talking Woman" also has the magic effect. Travis From ???@??? Thu Sep 04 10:10:39 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 4 06:13:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x6bj4-0001u9-00; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 06:13:34 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 09:09:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: gorton@g.imap.itd.umich.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: gorton@umich.edu (Russell Gorton) Subject: RE: Vocoder Recordings Cc: rhayader@juno.com Resent-Message-ID: <"mx3kzD.A.SjB.rLrD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/406 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 06:13:34 -0700 X-UIDL: 5119adabce0ae70fffa3dff1e3701918 A popular dance/club/DJ tune right now features the LOOPED sample of a heavily-vocoded (<--is this a word?) voice chanting "around the world around the world around the world around the world" over some thumpy back beat and what sounds like a sample of the (classic late-1970's) funk bass riff to Michael Jackson's "Can't Stop Till You Get Enough". The vocoder loop is itself quite hypnotic, being the same approx. 3.5 seconds of noise again and again, no feedback, no modulation, just drilling right into your skull. Truly a "sample and hold." Concur with M. Peters: The Boss SE-70 (and the SE-50, both 1/2-rack multi-effects units out of production now) featured a Vocoder preset that is REALLY cool. Other vocoder instances (that this guitar-player-dominant list may be familiar with)... -the "prayer" part of "Sheep" from Pink Floyd's _Animals_ album. -Phil Collins' "In The Air Tonight": "Well I REMEMBER..." -The comedy sketch character "Pimp Bot" on NBC TV's "Late Night With Conan O'Brien" here in the U.S. is an actor dressed as a 1950's-style Lost In Space robot wearing 1970's blaxploitation-film hustler clothing, speaking in jive cadences through a thick vocoder effect. --Russell "attention all robots...report to the dance floor" From ???@??? Thu Sep 04 10:10:39 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 4 07:36:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x6d1k-0004SU-00; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 07:36:56 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:32:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Dubofsky To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: rhayader@juno.com Subject: RE: Vocoder Recordings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"nVCx6D.A.c2D.5ZsD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/407 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 07:36:56 -0700 X-UIDL: b90ab6b14b7361069e4b635234b58341 On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Russell Gorton wrote: > A popular dance/club/DJ tune right now features the LOOPED sample of a > heavily-vocoded (<--is this a word?) voice chanting > "around the world around the world around the world around the world" The band is Daft Punk You can hear some of the best vocoding on Neil Young's Trans album, entire songs are done through a vocoder. I use the SE50, it's an okay vocoder but not nearly as cool as the Paia that I used to use, if the Paia also did reverb, delay, pitch shifting, etc., I would've kept it:) Does anyone on the list use a Korg SDD-2000 for looping fun? I'm anxiously awaiting delivery on one. steve d skullsaw must be applied directly to the stain http://www.gti.net/skullsaw From ???@??? Thu Sep 04 10:10:40 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 4 08:06:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x6dTl-0006cE-00; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:05:53 -0700 Message-ID: <340ECD38.5513@lucent.com> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 16:01:12 +0100 From: any authorised user Reply-To: robin.bussell@lucent.com Organization: lucent technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vocoder Recordings References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"p95RRB.A.Y3F.90sD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/408 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:05:53 -0700 X-UIDL: 7b6bf4a7956e3e37dbb94a1a269876e7 > -the "prayer" part of "Sheep" from Pink Floyd's _Animals_ album. That album also has a nice instance of the use of a sample and hold function on the analyser outputs to merge a vocal syllable at the end of a line into a saxaphone solo wish I could remember the line, think the word was "screeeeaaaaaaaammmmmmmm....." There's also a dog barking into a vocoder in the background of one track as well, hmmm.. time to have another listen methinks.. it's been too long, thanks for the reminder :-) "the diary of Horace Wimp" by ELO (on "out of the blue " I think )has a nice prominent vocoded rhythm to it as well. Cheers, Robin From ???@??? Thu Sep 04 10:53:18 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 4 10:42:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x6fux-0003ZE-00; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:42:07 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:35:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vocoder Recordings In-Reply-To: <340ECD38.5513@lucent.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"qvt0Y.A.DwC.IGvD0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/409 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:42:07 -0700 X-UIDL: 662549c8348417ff9579e21926e4fcf6 The new Genesis album (which is quite good) has one on the track "Alien Afternoon". There's also the Tangerine Dream album _Cyclone_ -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Fri Sep 05 09:47:03 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 4 21:03:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x6pcb-0007m6-00; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:03:49 -0700 From: "Claude Lassonde" To: Subject: I want to buy an Echoplex... Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:57:01 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1338704705-28299897@psbgm.qc.ca> Resent-Message-ID: <"4awQDC.A.88G.vN4D0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/411 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:03:49 -0700 X-UIDL: 3e0a0cecea57d7a5ee3c612debb96839 I want to buy an Echoplex... Any resellers around? Here in Canada in the middle of nowhere there is no such device. I would buy new or used. All suggestions welcomed. send E-Mail to : isagil@cam.org From ???@??? Fri Sep 05 09:47:08 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 5 02:41:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x6ut3-0006EN-00; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 02:41:09 -0700 X-From_:PMimlitsch@aol.com Fri Sep 05 02:41:07 1997 Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com [198.81.11.38] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x6ut0-0006Bu-00; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 02:41:06 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id FAA20909; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 05:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Old-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 05:39:36 -0400 (EDT) From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <970905053934_-566510964@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: stickwire-l@netcom.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, tosmos@voicenet.com Subject: Tagfest X-Diagnostic: undecipherable, help sent X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 02:41:09 -0700 X-UIDL: 838aefe346bf6fa7701d6ff6a36b7f1a "Invasion of Time", the improvisational Stick duo of Paul Mimlitsch and Jim Speer, will be appearing at Tagfest (Trenton Avant Garde festival of the arts) on Sat, Sept. 5. at Mill Hill Park, Trenton N.J. We're scheduled for 6.30 in the amphitheatre. From ???@??? Fri Sep 05 09:47:08 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 5 04:50:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x6wuc-0002Eh-00; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 04:50:54 -0700 Message-ID: <19970905124546.10374@d1-2517d.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:45:46 +0100 From: babs To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vocoder Recordings References: <340ECD38.5513@lucent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61e In-Reply-To: ; from Adam Levin on Sep 09, 1997 at 01:35:18PM Resent-Message-ID: <"JQrDnC.A.08B.2F_D0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/412 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 04:50:54 -0700 X-UIDL: e7d227e95b070f7cdbd238990860027c The Zoom Studio 1204 and the new Studio 1201 have Vocoding programs , the review I read seemed to have a few grumbles but waved them due to the unit's cost. Has anyone tried the effect on either? Babs There is no sin except stupidity - Oscar Wilde From ???@??? Fri Sep 05 09:47:14 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 5 09:45:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x71W1-0004rg-00; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 09:45:49 -0700 X-Sender: landman@mail.wco.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 09:45:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Echoplex 4 sale! Resent-Message-ID: <"kf_Z4C.A.cIE.dXDE0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/413 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 09:45:49 -0700 X-UIDL: ca49ca43aeaea547e122a2c1be71b3b0 DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME! DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME!DON'T EMAIL ME! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: FS: Oberheim Digital Echoplex Date: 4 Sep 1997 23:29:23 GMT From: neumann58@aol.com (Neumann58) Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.synth Perfect Condition, hardly ever used; includes remote footswitch. $300 From ???@??? Sun Sep 07 21:16:11 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 7 18:29:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x7seK-0001VP-00; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:29:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199709080126.UAA28185@mail.tds.net> From: "Bruce Gerow" To: Subject: F.S. SE-50&Vortex Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 18:08:44 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NS4On.A.TMB.rQ1E0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/417 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:29:56 -0700 X-UIDL: adee58396aa325770c2dc8597ed8e5f0 Lexicon Vortex: mint condition,little use.Manual,footswitch,cord,wall wart.All as new,original packing. $250 +shipping. Price FIRM. Boss SE-50:excellent condition,manual,wall wart. $200 Price FIRM LooseBruce From ???@??? Sun Sep 07 21:16:08 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 7 16:12:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x7qVU-0003MG-00; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 16:12:40 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970907160435.009ad490@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 16:04:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Broken LD Web Link In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"NYhH8C.A.04C.DQzE0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/414 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 16:12:40 -0700 X-UIDL: ac9fdd23f724e355fca63964b87eafdb Anybody know what the new address for Andy Butler's Vortex Page is? http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm comes back as unknown. Also, http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/vortex/vortex.html has a link to "Todd Madson's Vortex Page." That one comes back with no data. From ???@??? Sun Sep 07 21:16:09 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 7 16:34:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x7qqy-0004R8-00; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 16:34:52 -0700 Message-ID: <3413332A.768310F2@vtx.ch> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 01:05:14 +0200 From: "c.voit" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Who's this looper on Swiss TV ? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WefMR.A.E9D.ulzE0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/415 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 16:34:52 -0700 X-UIDL: 1a8722a2d40721f4add34c76c047f6bb I just saw a 15 minute clip in on the SF1 Channel about a Swiss Dble Bass looper who's name is Mitch Gerber. beside the interwiew where he explained the tools and inspiration he played two pieces out of his very soon to be released CD.Beatiful... Has anybody some more info's, is he online with us , I'd like to contact him. Yo de ly ho de lo Claude From ???@??? Sun Sep 07 21:16:09 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 7 17:02:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x7rHI-0005YL-00; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:02:04 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 19:58:04 -0400 (EDT) From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <970907195627_1556040548@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: TAGfest Resent-Message-ID: <"sEUuqC.A.GCF.L_zE0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/416 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:02:04 -0700 X-UIDL: 0c587438ca0c56bd83de590d0b7c0078 Had a real enjoyable time at TAGfest (Trenton Avant Garde Festival), both as a performer (in the duo "Invasion of Time" w/fellow Stick player/Loopist Jim Speer) and listener. A couple of observations: 1) Not one of the 5 (there may have been others that I missed in my wanderings) other musicians utilizing a looping device had heard of "Looper's Delight" or the mail list-a situation I corrected which should result in some more "signers on". 2) Of the 5 other loopers there, one (synthesist Mike Hopkins) was using a Mac 6400 running MOTU's Digital Performer to control sequences and loops. The others ("Ram Umbus"'s tuba player/vocalist and their guitarist, "N.C.17"'s guitarist and one other bands'-name forgotten- guitarist) all utilized the Diditech PDS 8000 pedal. Experimental guitarist Edward Chang (who w/partner Mokoto Shimizu make up "N.C.17") ran his PDS 8000 into a DODfx94 then into a Boss reverb/delay (2 sec.) pedal. Results? Real nice, both from a sonic standpoint as well as from an educational standpoint. I recently purchased a used PDS8000, mainly for nostalgic reasons-I got rid of mine in the upgrade (Jman) trail, and am inspired to try new things with this supposed "old technology". For the record Jim and I both used Jammen (I also used a DigiRDS8000) for our loopage. - Paul From ???@??? Sun Sep 07 21:16:12 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 7 19:34:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x7ter-0004bY-00; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 19:34:33 -0700 Message-Id: <199709080230.TAA24075@usr09.primenet.com> Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: An Invitation to Listen and Perhaps Reflect Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 19:30:08 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XZH1wB.A.TEE.wM2E0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/418 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 19:34:33 -0700 X-UIDL: 820c8db2959f45d12a54b0472b4b2b08 Greetings.. On the heels of the past week, we've had quite a lot of looking back over several peoples' lives and how they may have affected us. In this way, but with a more future tense, I've composed an ambient piece dedicated to Princess Diana, entitled "4D", and posted it at my EarthLight Studios site. It will be made available at no charge to sanctioned charity events and compilations, if I am contacted by those interested. I composed it after the Minute of Silence, and was more concerned with her legacy to us in public service to our fellow man, than the grief following her more-than-untimely passing. I hope you get the same from the song, but one never knows... Also, I have two other RealAudio songs online there, as well as The Loop Of The Week, an ambient loop for on- and off-line listening on your computer (or sound system, if so connected). Do drop in and let me know what you think. Stephen Goodman * Download The Loop Of The Week and more! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Studios * http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios From ???@??? Sun Sep 07 21:16:14 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 7 20:03:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x7u7K-0006CV-00; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 20:03:58 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 22:58:05 -0400 From: "Paul J. Dresher" Subject: Anyone have an Oberheim Echoplex for Sale? To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: <199709072258_MC2-1F83-EE9B@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"zfWnnD.A.zgF.Po2E0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/419 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 20:03:58 -0700 X-UIDL: e7dc810e890d7714c6dcada33b277f73 Loopers: I'm new to this list, (though not to pre digital looping). I'm searching hard for a couple of Oberheim Echoplexs. Anyone there know of any for sale? Thanks in Advance, Paul Dresher From ???@??? Sun Sep 07 21:16:14 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 7 20:09:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x7uCd-0006fm-00; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 20:09:27 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 23:04:10 -0400 (EDT) From: ZeplinSoup@aol.com Message-ID: <970907230155_-333002841@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: F.S. SE-50&Vortex Resent-Message-ID: <"P7gX3.A.b5F.ot2E0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/420 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 20:09:27 -0700 X-UIDL: a7bf97cb1e2f53612515b4c52c11ae72 i will buy the vortex..how do you want to do it.....?have you heard of that internet escrow account thing ...or...suggestion/? later>>>>>Reeve From ???@??? Sun Sep 07 21:39:59 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 7 21:27:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x7vQY-0002Vs-00; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 21:27:54 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19970907160435.009ad490@global.california.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 21:23:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Broken LD Web Link Resent-Message-ID: <"bEBdID.A.GIC.r33E0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/421 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 21:27:54 -0700 X-UIDL: 4fb8a748c705094219ca11d457d1757d >Anybody know what the new address for Andy Butler's Vortex Page is? > >http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm comes back as unknown. > >Also, http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/vortex/vortex.html has a link to >"Todd Madson's Vortex Page." That one comes back with no data. Andy, Todd, care to explain what the heck happened to your web pages? I'll fix the links as soon as I know what they properly are. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Sep 08 22:35:50 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 8 15:30:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8CKf-0007jU-00; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 15:30:57 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:48:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Vortexs Galore Resent-Message-ID: <"62Bls.A.bsG.EtHF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/423 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 15:30:57 -0700 X-UIDL: 5f95679fb10e00e66faabe7a32c76b20 For anyone interested in A Vortex, there are three of them for sale at Harmony Central today. All are priced at $250 each. Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Mon Sep 08 09:34:40 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 8 08:15:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x85XR-00066w-00; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:15:41 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:10:22 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Who's this looper on Swiss TV ? Resent-Message-ID: <"xNxp4.A.cTF.qUBF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/422 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:15:41 -0700 X-UIDL: c454ebca257a3663dd7ac5d3c7ac8f29 >I just saw a 15 minute clip in on the SF1 Channel about a Swiss Dble >Bass looper who's name is Mitch Gerber. >beside the interwiew where he explained the tools and inspiration he >played two pieces out of his very soon to be released CD.Beatiful... >Has anybody some more info's, is he online with us , I'd like to contact >him. If I remember right, he is an old LOOP delay client from Bern. But I never heard his music, thought it was rather chaotic, by the person who made the contact to him... ;-) Matthias From ???@??? Mon Sep 08 22:35:52 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 8 17:30:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8ECi-0001AS-00; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:30:52 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 20:22:00 -0400 (EDT) From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <970908202029_1920293127@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: TAGfest Resent-Message-ID: <"EH2xB.A.rR.nbJF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/424 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:30:52 -0700 X-UIDL: 2603fe543e18240454fe9a478136214a Had a real enjoyable time at TAGfest (Trenton Avant Garde Festival), both as a performer (in the duo "Invasion of Time" w/fellow Stick player/Loopist Jim Speer) and listener. A couple of observations: 1) Not one of the 5 (there may have been others that I missed in my wanderings) other musicians utilizing a looping device had heard of "Looper's Delight" or the mail list-a situation I corrected which should result in some more "signers on". 2) Of the 5 other loopers there, one (synthesist Mike Hopkins) was using a Mac 6400 running MOTU's Digital Performer to control sequences and loops. The others ("Ram Umbus"'s tuba player/vocalist and their guitarist, "N.C.17"'s guitarist and one other bands'-name forgotten- guitarist) all utilized the Diditech PDS 8000 pedal. Experimental guitarist Edward Chang (who w/partner Mokoto Shimizu make up "N.C.17") ran his PDS 8000 into a DODfx94 then into a Boss reverb/delay (2 sec.) pedal. Results? Real nice, both from a sonic standpoint as well as from an educational standpoint. I recently purchased a used PDS8000, mainly for nostalgic reasons-I got rid of mine in the upgrade (Jman) trail, and am inspired to try new things with this supposed "old technology". For the record Jim and I both used Jammen (I also used a DigiRDS8000) for our loopage. - Paul From ???@??? Mon Sep 08 23:54:32 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 8 23:20:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8JfA-0006To-00; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 23:20:36 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 02:15:18 -0400 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: Anyone have an Oberheim Echoplex for Sale? To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199709090215_MC2-1FA9-C87A@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"8bGuvC.A.yzF.SnOF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/425 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 23:20:36 -0700 X-UIDL: 79501b3ebbad3f3f22d992704c4521c1 Paul Dresher wrote, >I'm searching hard for a couple of Oberheim Echoplexs. Welcome Paul. I don't have Echoplexes for you, but I'm very excited to have you here - I love your records a lot. I'd be delighted to add your personal profile to our 'loopers of the world' webpage. ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm Support the Warr Guitar Defense Fund http://home.earthlink.net/~greendog/warrfund.html From ???@??? Tue Sep 09 10:32:55 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 9 07:17:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8R6T-0003Ll-00; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 07:17:17 -0700 Message-ID: <01BCBD09.A0DE2680@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Modular Looping Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:17:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RE8SiD.A.P3C.AmVF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/427 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 07:17:17 -0700 X-UIDL: 4c3fd62623a5ccf76d2612c36fce588f Hi David, Tell us how you use your VCS3. Also, which pitch to voltage convertor do you use? Thanks, Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ---------- From: Julia & Dave[SMTP:jndk@colba.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 1997 1:00 PM To: Looper's Delight Subject: Modular Looping Hi, I am kinda new to the list, but I've visited all your Web sites and I was just wondering if there are any of you out there who loop synthesizers. I loop using a Delta Lab Effectron III, Lexicon JamMan, and use a Roland SDE-330 Dimensional Space Delay to sweeten the lot, but my sources are mostly EMS VCS-3 and custom modules. The closest I come to guitar looping is using a bass thru a pitch to voltage converter as a controller. To make matters even stranger, Robert Fripp is my main influence. Seeking kindred folk, D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N "The most remarkable aspect of today's artistic environment is the coexistence of so many centuries at the same moment." --- Joel Chadabe (1971) P.S. Thank you for turning me on to the Vortex, I have ordered one which shall be in my rack tomorrow night. From ???@??? Tue Sep 09 10:32:55 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 9 07:24:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8RDI-000413-00; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 07:24:20 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:19:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Dubofsky To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: Modular Looping In-Reply-To: <199709091401.KAA09204@mail.colba.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"RTVhuD.A.pVD.9rVF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/428 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 07:24:20 -0700 X-UIDL: 1b52bef2c0596248b57101bd1dde3749 > > I am kinda new to the list, but I've visited all your Web sites and I was > just > wondering if there are any of you out there who loop synthesizers. For years my looping setup was primarily a Kork MonoPoly and two reel to reels. The decks are gone as is the Korg but synths are my primary instuments. I recently got a CS1x that has an abundance of realtime control and am awaiting the arrival, hopefully today, of a 4 second Korg Delay. An expressive synth is a must, knobs and realtime control and such. > I loop using a Delta Lab Effectron III, Lexicon JamMan, and use a > Roland SDE-330 Dimensional Space Delay to sweeten the lot, but my > sources are mostly EMS VCS-3 and custom modules. The closest I come > to guitar looping is using a bass thru a pitch to voltage converter as a > controller. > > To make matters even stranger, Robert Fripp is my main influence. As far as instumental loops go Bobby Boy is and Eno are it for me as well. steve d skullsaw must be applied directly to the stain http://www.gti.net/skullsaw From ???@??? Tue Sep 09 10:32:56 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 9 07:29:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8RI6-0004aQ-00; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 07:29:18 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:24:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Dubofsky To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: FS: Dorkoder 7500 In-Reply-To: <199709091401.KAA09204@mail.colba.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"aJs8h.A.dyD.ewVF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/429 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 07:29:18 -0700 X-UIDL: a9240e1326df842afab643d91a67150c Speaking of reel to reel....would anyone be interested in buying a Dokorder 7500? It's in perfect condition (lie). Sounds great (needs work). Portable (lie). The capstan seems to be frozen but maybe someone could use this as a fixer-upper. I'd take just about any offer for it. steve d skullsaw must be applied directly to the stain http://www.gti.net/skullsaw From ???@??? Tue Sep 09 23:54:13 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 9 14:23:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8Xl5-0006K6-00; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:23:39 -0700 Message-Id: <199709092104.OAA16152@scv1.apple.com> Subject: MIDI "mute"? Date: Tue, 9 Sep 97 16:07:37 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"nPKsfD.A.EXF.3zbF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/433 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:23:39 -0700 X-UIDL: a9e75ad4c6975720581e8c2ea364dc28 I'm looking for a way to mute the output of my drum machine (an Alesis SR-16) via MIDI. Currently my Echoplex is slaved to the SR-16. Sometimes I want to mute the drum machine without decoupling it from the Echoplex, so that when I bring the drums back in, everything's still in sync. My audio mixer doesn't have channel mute, and I'm looking for a way to do this with a footswitch. Anyone have any suggestions? Travis From ???@??? Tue Sep 09 10:32:57 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 9 08:35:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8SKI-0001Nj-00; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:35:38 -0700 Message-Id: <34157972.5175@GroupZ.net> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 11:29:55 -0500 From: Richard Menger Reply-To: rmenger@groupz.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: PCM 42 upgrade? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-gmQID.A.mw.EuWF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/430 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:35:38 -0700 X-UIDL: cc3f3c15378df4d3ee7ed4dae11592e3 Anyone know how to expand the memory in a Lexicon pcm42? I have 4.8 seconds now and would like as much as I can get of course...:) thanks in advance, Rich From ???@??? Tue Sep 09 10:32:54 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 9 07:04:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8Qu0-0002aS-00; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 07:04:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199709091401.KAA09204@mail.colba.net> From: "Julia & Dave" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Modular Looping Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:00:45 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YFn9d.A.7HC.kYVF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/426 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 07:04:24 -0700 X-UIDL: 570e6c051f61d9f3e0ca504c29be05b0 Hi, I am kinda new to the list, but I've visited all your Web sites and I was just wondering if there are any of you out there who loop synthesizers. I loop using a Delta Lab Effectron III, Lexicon JamMan, and use a Roland SDE-330 Dimensional Space Delay to sweeten the lot, but my sources are mostly EMS VCS-3 and custom modules. The closest I come to guitar looping is using a bass thru a pitch to voltage converter as a controller. To make matters even stranger, Robert Fripp is my main influence. Seeking kindred folk, D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N "The most remarkable aspect of today's artistic environment is the coexistence of so many centuries at the same moment." --- Joel Chadabe (1971) P.S. Thank you for turning me on to the Vortex, I have ordered one which shall be in my rack tomorrow night. From ???@??? Tue Sep 09 10:32:59 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 9 10:19:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8Tx9-0001Ys-00; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:19:51 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:19:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Modular Looping Resent-Message-ID: <"X14KV.A.8DB.SQYF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/431 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:19:51 -0700 X-UIDL: 7a8baff05d4acb4df603d553b1f557d0 >Hi, > >I am kinda new to the list, but I've visited all your Web sites and I was >just >wondering if there are any of you out there who loop synthesizers. > >I loop using a Delta Lab Effectron III, Lexicon JamMan, and use a >Roland SDE-330 Dimensional Space Delay to sweeten the lot, but my >sources are mostly EMS VCS-3 and custom modules. The closest I come >to guitar looping is using a bass thru a pitch to voltage converter as a >controller. > I loop 6-string bass, a couple of ARP's, an Oberheim SEM, a yamaha VL-70 (triggered from a wind controller, I don't play it very well but it sure is fun) and various other synths through a JamMan, a Vortex and an LXP-5. Can you give me more info on the pitch-to-voltage converter you use? Is it a commercial product or custom made. I'd love to have something like that to trigger the SEM from my bass. I've tried a few pitch to MIDI converters with not a l;ot of success. >P.S. Thank you for turning me on to the Vortex, I have ordered one which >shall be in my >rack tomorrow night. You will love it. It's one of those boxes that gets deeper every time I try to figure it out. It produces sounds that I've never heard from any other FX box in 20 years of messing with this stuff. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Tue Sep 09 10:33:00 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 9 10:27:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8U4J-0002MG-00; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:27:15 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:25:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: TAGfest Resent-Message-ID: <"paufuB.A.MpB.pWYF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/432 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:27:15 -0700 X-UIDL: e23768e8070aa4c86be32fea7b8d50fc At 8:22 PM 9/8/97, PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote: >"N.C.17"'s guitarist and one other bands'-name forgotten- guitarist) all >utilized the Diditech PDS 8000 pedal. Experimental guitarist Edward Chang >(who w/partner Mokoto Shimizu make up "N.C.17") ran his PDS 8000 into a >DODfx94 then into a Boss reverb/delay (2 sec.) pedal. Results? Real nice, >both from a sonic standpoint as well as from an educational standpoint. I I played with Ed Chang quite a bit last year when he was living in Portland, and he'll appear on our upcoming CD, currently awaiting funds and free time to finish mastering and press. He was taking a sabbatical from guitar at the time and learning clarinet, and was a pretty interesting player in a John Zorn/Evan Parker frame. We recorded a few duets with me processing/looping his clarinet that may make it onto the CD, he's a very interesting player and thinker. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Tue Sep 09 23:54:14 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 9 14:37:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8XyZ-00005C-00; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:37:35 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970909214024.0098ef64@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 14:40:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: MIDI "mute"? Resent-Message-ID: <"Aww7s.A.hzG.PBcF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/434 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:37:35 -0700 X-UIDL: e25f14e5fb123342439e8fc943ab5a79 How about setting up another pattern in the SR-16 with nothing in it? Switch to that pattern when you want to mute (it'll wait till the end of the current pattern if it's like the HR16.) The new pattern will play in the same tempo and still generate midi clock, even though there's nothing to actually play. Otherwise, does it respond to continuous controller volume? I never checked that on my old hr16, but it would be useful. Then you would just set a pedal to send CC 7, value 0 and it should shut up. kim At 04:07 PM 9/9/97 -0000, you wrote: >I'm looking for a way to mute the output of my drum machine (an Alesis >SR-16) via MIDI. >Currently my Echoplex is slaved to the SR-16. Sometimes I want to mute >the drum machine without decoupling it from the Echoplex, so that when I >bring the drums back in, everything's still in sync. My audio mixer >doesn't have channel mute, and I'm looking for a way to do this with a >footswitch. >Anyone have any suggestions? > >Travis > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 10:46:02 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 00:39:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8hNW-0000OU-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 00:39:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 03:34:24 -0400 From: "Paul J. Dresher" Subject: Echoplexs have been found, thanks To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199709100334_MC2-1FD6-7014@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"3VjiHB.A.1J.c3kF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/435 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 00:39:58 -0700 X-UIDL: e7e71e8d7addbc9fc8ccd9ecf29a1c3f Dear Friends: Thanks for all the welcome notes from many of you. And because of that last post searching for Echoplexs, I've now got two! (And am already thinking about more). Michael Peters: I've not had a chance to check out the Webpage with the profiles so I'm not sure what would be involved in helping you add my profile to this list. But I really appreciate your offer and let me know what needs to happen next. Is there some informal way people introduce themselves to this list? Thanks again, Paul Dresher From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 10:46:10 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 06:42:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8n2A-0001z2-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 06:42:18 -0700 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Echoplexs have been found, thanks Date: Wed, 10 Sep 97 09:42:27 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Phil Diem To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"01omFB.A.NZB.9KqF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/440 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 06:42:18 -0700 X-UIDL: 2ca4770b0d760e340753ef1fc4c0c28c Hi Paul, welcome to the list! Would you mind elaborating a little bit more on the results of your search for Echoplexs - where you found them, cost? There seem to be a few people on the list who are also searching for plexs (and jammen, vortexs, ect.) and for a variety of reasons, these units are difficult to come by. I'd hate to see this list become an equipment trading post, there's too many good ideas and other info being tossed around here, but succinct posts re: sources for equipment may stave off a lot of individual queries to the list. I, at least, have appreciated the recent posts about stuff for sale. Maybe others disagree? ;-) phil digital loop technology is better than...peanut butter...drugs...sex, nah From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 10:46:32 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 10:22:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8qSm-0003Wd-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:22:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199709101649.JAA33972@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: Digitech PDS-???? pedals for looping Date: Wed, 10 Sep 97 11:52:51 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"qJVS9C.A.kqC.yWtF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/446 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:22:00 -0700 X-UIDL: 7df43ce88c052b1100f89e9dcb675643 >While I am tempted to shell out the big-$$ on an echoplex or jamman, and >given the relative scarcity of both, and also given my neophyte status, I >am wondering whether a Digitech PDS pedal or something similar might >suffice for the moment. I understand these pedals to have the capability of >sampling and holding and they can have up to 8 seconds delay - that would >be plenty for me at the moment. Do these pedals have any other capabilities >that are useful ? Which is the most ideal for the purposes of looping ? I've got one of the 8-second pedals, and it's great. You can find them used, if you're patient, for under $150. A great starting place for looping. All the features of the JamMan and Echoplex are wonderful (I've got an echoplex and an assortment of other long delay lines), but you can easily get into serious looping without shelling out the big bucks. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 10:46:09 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 06:27:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8mnZ-0000cK-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 06:27:13 -0700 From: John Neilson Message-Id: <199709101320.JAA02390@echonyc.com> Subject: Re: Echoplexs have been found, thanks To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:20:36 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199709100334_MC2-1FD6-7014@compuserve.com> from "Paul J. Dresher" at Sep 10, 97 03:34:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XYW9xC.A.5F.T8pF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/439 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 06:27:13 -0700 X-UIDL: 8d88b9a38bcdeb490e5e2dcb8cbb3243 > > Dear Friends: > > Thanks for all the welcome notes from many of you. And because of that > last post searching for Echoplexs, I've now got two! (And am already > thinking about more). > Wow, I've been keeping an eye out for a little while without that kind of luck. So I guess I should be a little more upfront and announce that I, TOO, AM LOOKING FOR AN OBERHEIM ECHOPLEX, ANY LEADS APPRECIATED before Paul gets them all (insert smiley face here). Thanks, all. ----------------------- Tear Along Dotted Line ----------------------- John Neilson www.mixup.com jneil@mixup.com "a site for sore ears" From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 10:46:12 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 06:59:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8nIX-000333-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 06:59:13 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:55:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Dubofsky To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: WTB: Digitech RDS8000 or 7.6 In-Reply-To: <199709101320.JAA02390@echonyc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"K_Pe-C.A.ZlC.mbqF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/441 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 06:59:13 -0700 X-UIDL: e86af8a264ae8649881588fc5c0c6641 Since it seems that this is a good place for finding stuff I thought I'd take a shot. I'm looking for a Digitech RDS8000, 7.6 or even the 6400( i think that's the number). I could pay cash or maybe trade my Korg SDD-2000 Midi Sampling Delay, goes to 4.3 seconds, I'd just like to have a bit more time, I'm so greedy. steve d skullsaw must be applied directly to the stain http://www.gti.net/skullsaw From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 10:46:06 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 04:11:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8kgP-0007Dp-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:11:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199709101110.HAA23059@mail.colba.net> From: "Julia & Dave" To: Subject: Re: Modular Looping Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 07:10:19 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"f3UywD.A.snG.5-nF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/436 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:11:41 -0700 X-UIDL: 0aa44890082f0c2196b98fa0b1b1bc25 Re: Fripp & Eno, be sure to also listen to Alvin Lucier's work. He may not always use loops, but I he's right up there as well. -David K. ---------- > From: Steven Dubofsky > To: Looper's Delight > Subject: Re: Modular Looping > Date: Tuesday, September 09, 1997 7:19 AM > > > > > I am kinda new to the list, but I've visited all your Web sites and I was > > just > > wondering if there are any of you out there who loop synthesizers. > > For years my looping setup was primarily a Kork MonoPoly and two reel to > reels. The decks are gone as is the Korg but synths are my primary > instuments. I recently got a CS1x that has an abundance of realtime > control and am awaiting the arrival, hopefully today, of a 4 second > Korg Delay. An expressive synth is a must, knobs and realtime control and > such. > > > > I loop using a Delta Lab Effectron III, Lexicon JamMan, and use a > > Roland SDE-330 Dimensional Space Delay to sweeten the lot, but my > > sources are mostly EMS VCS-3 and custom modules. The closest I come > > to guitar looping is using a bass thru a pitch to voltage converter as a > > controller. > > > > To make matters even stranger, Robert Fripp is my main influence. > > As far as instumental loops go Bobby Boy is and Eno are it for me as well. > > steve d > > > skullsaw must be applied directly to the stain > > http://www.gti.net/skullsaw > From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 10:46:06 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 04:30:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8kyt-0000VF-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:30:47 -0700 Message-Id: <199709101130.HAA23755@mail.colba.net> From: "Julia & Dave" To: Subject: Re: Modular Looping Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 07:30:06 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vW6nXB.A.oS.URoF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/437 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:30:47 -0700 X-UIDL: 849137bbf34ff7f1ed67764e104a6b1f > >P.S. Thank you for turning me on to the Vortex, I have ordered one which > >shall be in my > >rack tomorrow night. > > You will love it. It's one of those boxes that gets deeper every time I try > to figure it out. It produces sounds that I've never heard from any other > FX box in 20 years of messing with this stuff. Hey, I originaly wanted one, but the people at Steve's Music Store had told me it did little more than delay and modulation effects. I usually never listen to salespeople's advice, but I found it odd that they weren't pushing this product on me, knowing that all I ever look for is freaky stuff. A shame that Lexicon gave up on this and the JamMan, two great devices that are sure to gain the same type of cult status as Electro- Harmonix and Mu-Tron boxes did. ( ( ( ( ( ( ) ) ) ) ) ) D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N "The most remarkable aspect of today's artistic environment is the coexistence of so many centuries at the same moment." --- Joel Chadabe (1971) ________________________________________________________ > Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ > > "...there will come a day when you won't have to use > gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in > your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper > type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em > together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em > together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." > -Sun Ra > ________________________________________________________ > > From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 10:46:09 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 04:43:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8lBY-0001NU-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:43:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199709101143.HAA24222@mail.colba.net> From: "Julia & Dave" To: Subject: Re: Modular Looping Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 07:42:52 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lOJFmB.A.nEB.VdoF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/438 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:43:52 -0700 X-UIDL: 4c6ce4be973c2f65ac85e9cc76f309dc > Date: Tuesday, September 09, 1997 7:17 AM > Mark Kata wrote: > Hi David, > > Tell us how you use your VCS3. Also, which pitch to voltage convertor do you use? ______________________________________________ Here goes, I currently do not own any keyboard instruments, and I sold the "Cricklewood" which I got with my VCS-3. So I rely on several sources for control. 1. EMS Pitch To Voltage Converter, driven from the insanely detuned strings of my Fender (Squier) "Precision" Bass. 2. EMS Random Voltage Generator, two staircase oscillators which give results simillar to those achieved with sample & hold, but even more random and smoother sounding. Very Sci-Fi. 3. Custom made devices such as the IC1 Electronics Velvet Touch Oscillator bank, which outputs the three basic waveforms either at LFO or audio range. this has a CV in, I use it mostly as an FM source or carrier for the Ring Mod on the VCS-3. 4. I do not currently have my JaMMan, which was upgraded to 32 secs., but I'm in the process of getting it back. 5. The Delta Lab Effectron III is used mostly for looping selected segments from the VCS, with the Random Voltage Gen. riding the CV in. Nice and Grainy. 6. Time to go, I'm giving away too many secrets, and wasting bandwidth. ;) D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N "The most remarkable aspect of today's artistic environment is the coexistence of so many centuries at the same moment." --- Joel Chadabe (1971) From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 23:06:19 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 12:57:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8ssw-0001yt-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:57:10 -0700 Message-Id: <199709101944.MAA14094@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: Vortex question Date: Wed, 10 Sep 97 14:47:19 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"-MP5UD.A.LVB.epvF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/456 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:57:10 -0700 X-UIDL: 2ab08655f88e4d9d39ef0609e30d370a > >How long of a delay does the Vortex have? > > About 1.8 seconds. Travis From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 10:46:12 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 07:01:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8nKM-0003E9-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 07:01:06 -0700 X-Sender: darcyc@srvr5.engin.umich.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:57:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Darcy Clark Subject: Digitech PDS-???? pedals for looping Resent-Message-ID: <"SYR4J.A.FtC.GdqF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/442 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 07:01:06 -0700 X-UIDL: aa7493ab33e1018df5d3c74d0d2054a7 While I am tempted to shell out the big-$$ on an echoplex or jamman, and given the relative scarcity of both, and also given my neophyte status, I am wondering whether a Digitech PDS pedal or something similar might suffice for the moment. I understand these pedals to have the capability of sampling and holding and they can have up to 8 seconds delay - that would be plenty for me at the moment. Do these pedals have any other capabilities that are useful ? Which is the most ideal for the purposes of looping ? thanks for any help, Darcy Clark +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Materials Science and Engineering Department University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2136 USA +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Room 2130, Dow Building Phone (313) 764 3377 Fax (313) 763 4788 E-mail darcyc@engin.umich.edu http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/mse250 http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/people/darcyc/ http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 10:46:14 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 08:07:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8oMX-0007Mo-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:07:25 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:01:39 -0400 (EDT) From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <970910110015_792819111@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Anyone have an Oberheim Echoplex for Sale? Resent-Message-ID: <"dSrrwC.A.hfG.QarF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/443 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:07:25 -0700 X-UIDL: b8abd03a7c7ee41fe7b4ae64a072d950 Greeting Loopersons, I've must be a little slow on the uptake here or something. A few days ago an SOS for EDP assistance was put on the list by a fellow named Paul Dresher. Paul is a former analog tape looper of some renown. I, in fact saw him perform years ago in an art museum show in Southern California that was absolutely stunning! That performance (and the few of his recordings I've been able to find) have been a great insiration to me ever since. As I remember (at that particular time) he was using a multitrack reel-to-reel system (not altogether unlike Fripp's) but with the additional feature of a bank of footpedals to operate as volume faders for each track. But, more impressive than the rig was the music itself (for which it would be an injustice for me to even begin to describe). You owe it to youselves to check this guy out. He's got a disc or two out out on the New Albion label and a few others elsewhere I believe. He's a composer who has pretty thouroughly plummed the depths of looping as a musical concept and now he's joining the ranks of us digital loopers...hmmmm. Ciao, Ted Killian From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 10:46:25 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 08:28:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8ogf-0001Qh-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:28:13 -0700 From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com Date: Wed, 10 Sep 97 10:43:00 EST Encoding: 30 Text Message-Id: <9708108739.AA873915752@mail.amsinc.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Digitech PDS8000 Resent-Message-ID: <"6x8PcD.A.Uv.FtrF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/444 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:28:13 -0700 X-UIDL: 488760aa9abf126e4103325abdae8448 I just joined this list a couple days ago and I'm finding it refreshing that there are so many interesting ideas floating around here. I wish I could hear some of the results of these discussions. Anyways, thanks to Dave T for the kind comments, too. Anyway the PDS8000, tho primitive and 'old school' is one of the most amazing units I've ever heard - it can be both organic and warm or cold and elektronik. I've dubbed it the "improv-pedal" (as opposed to the "grunge pedal") because every electronic improvisor seems to have one or at least had one, including Elliot Sharp, Zeena Parkins, No Neck Blues band, Doug Theriault, etc... My main complaint with it is that if you change the delay parameter (2/4/8 secs) or the mode(normal/trigger/sample) it takes 8 seconds for it to reset itself and basically doesn't work for that amount of time. That's why I use a DFX-94 as second unit, since it can switch from mode to mode instantaneously (tho it,too has problems, such as when you try to loop a sample, it sometimes goes into input/record mode, erasing the sample). Nonetheless, the above setup has enabled me to get just about every perverted sound my mind can come up with. Also it looks cool to be twisting knobs and slapping pedals like an animal (or so I've heard). A final note - I thought this could only have come from a fantasy dream sequence, but no it was true. I was in Baltimore and met John Berndt, electro-acoustic uber-composer, and when he saw my PDS8000, he took out this box and showed me HIS PDS8000, which looked like an evil twin. It had several additional buttons and toggle switches that he had installed himself and it was like a HOTROD from HELL. I've never heard anything like it. He tried explaining to me what they all did, but my feeble mind couldn't take it all in. Truly amazing. That guy is nuts. ed chang From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 10:46:31 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 10:01:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8q96-0001ll-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:01:40 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:38:43 -0400 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: Echoplexs have been found, thanks To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199709101238_MC2-1FED-91C4@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"jYr88B.A.xDB.VDtF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/445 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:01:40 -0700 X-UIDL: 6c6a233d3ae6d60bd3954402505ceb25 Paul, >Is there some informal way people introduce themselves to this list? Write whatever you want. Do you have a homepage which covers your work and techniques? One way to really let everyone know about one's work is to add one's profile to the profile page. Check out the profile webpage and you'll see - everything's explained there. Just write something about yourself, your work, gear, bands, email address, homepage address, whatever you find important, and email it to me. You may or may not use the tabular form that many people use. ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm Support the Warr Guitar Defense Fund http://home.earthlink.net/~greendog/warrfund.html From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 23:06:22 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 13:48:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8tgJ-0005xG-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:48:11 -0700 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Echoplexs have been found, thanks Date: Wed, 10 Sep 97 16:45:22 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Phil Diem To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"HLpwx.A.24E.VXwF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/458 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:48:11 -0700 X-UIDL: 174c93834183bcb28e22b1a889da2355 Kim Flint replied: >One idea is to simply call Oberheim and ask where you can find a dealer >with stock. 510-635-9633. They haven't been producing them fast enough to >meet demand, so there seems to be varying amounts of backorders at any >given dealer. They might be able to help you find a dealer who will be >getting them sooner than later, or already has them. The other reason this >is a good idea is it keeps Gibson motivated to keep making them. >kim Thanks for the suggestion Kim. Problem is I've already tried this approach, which ultimately resulted in my meeting with the District Sales Manager, Jerry Lambert a couple of weeks back. He says that they're way behind in production and wasn't very hopeful or helpfull in regards to instant gratification. I'm actually quite happy with my jamthings for now, but I have friends who would buy jam or plex if they could find them. It's REALLY too bad that these are so hard to get as everybody who hooks up to one seems to create something different. They are really expressive toys! Phil From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 11:30:28 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 10:54:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8qy6-0006nI-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:54:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:44:31 -0700 Message-ID: <00015166.1264@wj.com> From: Mike.Biffle@wj.com (Mike Biffle) Subject: Hello and Vortex query? To: "Looper's Delight" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"yCJGeB.A.e4F.A2tF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/447 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:54:22 -0700 X-UIDL: 5919bf535960cd5e7ee044b6944c449f Hello All, I'm greatly enjoying the web site and list! I'm probably the 59th person to ask where I might find a new or used Vortex, but I'd much appreciate a lead. I delayed buying one until they went out of production. (of course!) After hearing you all wax poetic about them I think I'd better get one soon. Kind Regards, -Miko Biffle "Running scared from all the usual distractions." mike.biffle@wj.com 408.439.4622 From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 11:30:30 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 11:15:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8rIV-0000tS-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:15:27 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:07:48 -0400 (EDT) From: MIvanBerk@aol.com Message-ID: <970910140428_1627553235@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: WTB: Digitech RDS8000 or 7.6 Resent-Message-ID: <"-jyxwC.A.1K.2IuF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/448 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:15:27 -0700 X-UIDL: 59f1f2b976bd00a46f4eda13e2bd8630 Last I was there, Rogue Music in NYC (they're on the 'Net as www.roguemusic.com) had a 7.6 in stock, for around $200. Please buy it so I don't have to... Mike From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 23:06:12 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 11:36:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8rco-0002qe-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:36:26 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:09:17 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplexs have been found, thanks Resent-Message-ID: <"bSn__B.A.4JC.dduF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/450 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:36:26 -0700 X-UIDL: 66e3cd902860672a3c778f21c24c34fd At 9:42 AM +0000 9/10/97, Phil Diem wrote: >Hi Paul, welcome to the list! > >Would you mind elaborating a little bit more on the results of your >search for Echoplexs - where you found them, cost? There seem to be a few >people on the list who are also searching for plexs (and jammen, vortexs, >ect.) and for a variety of reasons, these units are difficult to come by. One idea is to simply call Oberheim and ask where you can find a dealer with stock. 510-635-9633. They haven't been producing them fast enough to meet demand, so there seems to be varying amounts of backorders at any given dealer. They might be able to help you find a dealer who will be getting them sooner than later, or already has them. The other reason this is a good idea is it keeps Gibson motivated to keep making them. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 11:30:31 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 11:16:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8rJR-0000yv-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:16:25 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:09:53 -0400 From: alan s cohen X-Mailer: Ez-Mail v4.4 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: subscriber Old-Status: N Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"cJn4wC.A.xO.VJuF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/449 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:16:25 -0700 X-UIDL: 807b7b8dc581a6ea86663787680ed3c5 Hi. I just read about Loopers Delight in Elephant Talk and would like to subscribe. Thank you. Alan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i000371 sends (alan cohen)... From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 23:06:13 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 12:00:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8s0A-0004nr-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:00:34 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970910145659.006f4724@dharma.mitre.org> X-Sender: seligman@dharma.mitre.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:56:59 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Len Seligman Subject: finding Echoplexes In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"06494.A.oGE.q0uF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/451 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:00:34 -0700 X-UIDL: b4922d26529eafa47abcab4ff7b155fa At 11:09 AM 9/10/97 -0700, you wrote: >One idea is to simply call Oberheim and ask where you can find a dealer >with stock. 510-635-9633. They haven't been producing them fast enough to >meet demand, so there seems to be varying amounts of backorders at any >given dealer. They might be able to help you find a dealer who will be >getting them sooner than later, or already has them. The other reason this >is a good idea is it keeps Gibson motivated to keep making them. > >kim FYI, I called a Gibson 800 number and they gave me a list of dealers, but (1) they had no idea about which dealers had any stock (basically *none* of them) and (2) a couple of the dealers they listed told me they no longer carried Oberheim products. But I agree with Kim that its worth calling them so Gibson knows there's a demand. -Len From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 23:06:17 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 12:43:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8sfS-0000RC-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:43:14 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:38:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Dubofsky To: Loopers Delight postings Subject: Vortex question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"zRXbrD.A.eNH.ncvF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/453 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:43:14 -0700 X-UIDL: b283f3bdc4ec636193ab716edcadc7bf How long of a delay does the Vortex have? steve d skullsaw must be applied directly to the stain http://www.gti.net/skullsaw From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 23:06:18 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 12:52:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8soE-0001SX-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:52:18 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:44:07 -0400 (EDT) From: MIvanBerk@aol.com Message-ID: <970910154116_776996127@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digitech PDS-???? pedals for looping Resent-Message-ID: <"vBDA2D.A.Uo.MjvF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/455 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:52:18 -0700 X-UIDL: 420ce607579319bdc2a778ba50b8a4a8 I'm new to the list, but I'm a huge fan of the Digitech stuff, so hello all and... The long Digitech delays (PDS8000 pedal, and the Time Machine RDS8000 and 7.6) are great for looping, so long as you're not worried about rhythmic accuracy. If you're interested in ambience, they're perfect, and you can do something neither the Echoplex nor the JamMan allow you to do -- reach over (or down, as the case may be) twist a knob, and tweak the delay time from 2 seconds down to eight, or vice versa, turning sprightly melodies into muddy sludge or producing those Bill Frisell-oid high-pitched shrieks w/o having to shell out a grand for an EH 16-second delay (PDS and RDS units are generally available in the $150-$200 range) Actually, in my current looping rig, I have an RDS8000 feeding an Oberheim Echoplex -- best of both worlds, IMHO. Has anyone played with one of the new Korg 10-second delays, by the way? Mike From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 23:06:17 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 12:49:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8slN-00017x-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:49:21 -0700 Message-ID: <01BCBE00.EC5B11C0@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Vortex question Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:48:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"IOBbhB.A.bY.FhvF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/454 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:49:22 -0700 X-UIDL: 2c905746756a3e52c235dd599c8c3303 Slightly less than 2 seconds. 1.8 or 1.9 seconds. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ---------- From: Steven Dubofsky[SMTP:skullsaw@gti.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 1997 11:38 AM To: Loopers Delight postings Subject: Vortex question How long of a delay does the Vortex have? steve d skullsaw must be applied directly to the stain http://www.gti.net/skullsaw From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 23:06:19 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 12:58:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8su2-000264-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:58:18 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:52:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Dubofsky To: Loopers Delight postings Subject: Vortex question has been answered - thanks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"S0sroD.A.pbB.XqvF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/457 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:58:18 -0700 X-UIDL: e72ee93819d804be724254c4eb6c1f46 On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Steven Dubofsky wrote: Thanks for the info. > > How long of a delay does the Vortex have? > > > > steve d > > > skullsaw must be applied directly to the stain > > http://www.gti.net/skullsaw > > steve d skullsaw must be applied directly to the stain http://www.gti.net/skullsaw From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 23:06:15 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 12:35:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8sXo-0007S5-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:35:20 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 10 Sep 1997 14:07:18 -0700 From: "Hartnett, Travis" Subject: Vortices FS To: "Loopers Delight postings" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Name="Message Body" Resent-Message-ID: <"PPpo6C.A.QaG.tTvF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/452 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:35:20 -0700 X-UIDL: 89bc018d8e2c1a4fe04ee675012372b1 Someone was asking where to find the legendary Vortex. Here's a few for sale on Harmony Central: LEXICON VORTEX Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: excellent condition with pedal. pwr suply, manual looks like new, sounds GREAT very analog sounding delays really great modulation efx set delay setting by finger or foot tap function very straight ahead sounds and some very out there stuff 2 sec loop, expression pedal available I will ship it to you for $250 Seller: steve tanner, 518-899-5020 E-mail: gtrwrk@aol.com Post Date: 9/8/97 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lexicon Vortex Asking Price: US$250 Condition: Excellent Age: N/A Description: Like new in orig box...foot pedal (1) power supply (1) and manual (had water spilled on it...some pages stuck together) Price is firm at $250...if you prepay I'll split 2 day air with you...no cod's...takes too long and I've been burned (once but that was enough)I'm selling it because I have one already. Yes...they are everything you've heard and more...the best effects baragain available for $250. Vortex RULES. Seller: Roland Eberle, E-mail: roland@ccnet.com Location: HAYWARD, CA Post Date: 9/7/97 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ LEXICON VORTEX Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: excellent condition VORTEX pedal, manual, pwr suply expression pedal avail very unique, GREAT sound analog souding delays and modulation efx will ship it to you for $250 Seller: Sean McMillin, (916) 446-4788 E-mail: monadman@aol.com Location: SACRAMENTO, CA Post Date: 9/8/97 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 23:06:32 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 21:04:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x90Uf-00062R-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:04:37 -0700 X-Sender: vajra1@pop3.mho.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:18:08 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: vajra1@mho.net (Robert Phelps) Subject: Re: Vortex flaw? Resent-Message-ID: <"yFpgX.A.HYF.Xz2F0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/461 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:04:37 -0700 X-UIDL: 96ac5cabd281c419c50248ce8dc2f7d2 >Hi, > >I just got my Vortex today, everything is O.K. with it except the >looping. It seems that when I switch the feedback from 63 to 64 >for infinite repeat, the loops don't always hold. > >A friend of mine with an LXP-5 says he has the same problem. >Is this a bug? Mine does too. Always just figured that the infinite repeat at 64 cant be "switched to" from another edit setting (with a loop in progress) and is meant to be used on its own for looping purposes. Bleened and Confused, B.P. From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 23:06:31 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 16:10:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8vtg-00022y-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:10:08 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970910175734.00925100@texas.net> X-Sender: ranjones@texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:57:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, "Loopers Delight postings" From: Randy Jones Subject: How I got mine. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Uwube.A.ZhB.BeyF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/459 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:10:08 -0700 X-UIDL: f0ce00760be298322cd2b75d4bdd5d48 Hello friends, Bought Echoplex digital pro by setting http://www.dejanews.com as my start page. Every morning I typed in Echoplex in the search box. Finally found someone wanting to sell. By the time I had emailed interest, he had 3 people in front of me. I offered to Airborne a money order overnight w/ a return label if he would box it up. Called airborne and they agreed for the guy to wait for package opening and labeling (one stop-all at my expense $34 +- shipping). Paid $400 for the Digital Pro w/ footpedal and 50 sec of loop time. Bought a Vortex the same way. Paid $225 + the $35. I know thats a lot, but after playing with it, I ran across a couple at a used gear shop. Bought them for $135 each. Took one to my girlfriends house. The other two I plan to hook up to an old 4 channel stereo and see if I can freak myself out. Randy From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 23:06:34 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 21:51:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x91Do-00011W-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:51:16 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:46:10 -0400 (EDT) From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <970910183623_1820246479@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Friday gig Resent-Message-ID: <"leYD3C.A.at.Qf3F0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/462 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:51:16 -0700 X-UIDL: e712c56d595c615a9121f61cfb2f8566 Exploratory fusioneers "Adelante" will be at "CoffeeTalk" in Stone Harbour, N.J. Fri. Sept. 12, 8:00pm. Call (609)368-5282 for info/directions. "Adelante" is: Jody Jannetta - Drums/Percussion Paul Mimlitsch- Chapman Stick/Loops Ralph Anastasio-Bass Michael Robbins-Violin/Viola We'll also be at "Border's Books and Music" in Marlton N.J. Nov. 14. More info later. From ???@??? Wed Sep 10 23:06:32 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 20:10:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8zeF-0002oN-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:10:27 -0700 Message-Id: <199709110304.XAA23354@mail.colba.net> From: "Julia & Dave" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Vortex flaw? Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:04:08 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MMzOf.A.fMC.g91F0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/460 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:10:27 -0700 X-UIDL: 07be6a1d30d1c71b34f5a4585e5d02f3 Hi, I just got my Vortex today, everything is O.K. with it except the looping. It seems that when I switch the feedback from 63 to 64 for infinite repeat, the loops don't always hold. A friend of mine with an LXP-5 says he has the same problem. Is this a bug? Otherwise, the unit is amazing. Also, I think I'll be building that knobby box now... I don't like volume pedals and I know I'm not hearing the full picture by just triggering the morph from the front panel. Bleen, Bleeeeeeeeeen, D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N "The most remarkable aspect of today's artistic environment is the coexistence of so many centuries at the same moment." --- Joel Chadabe (1971) From ???@??? Thu Sep 11 01:36:46 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 23:35:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x92r5-0006UQ-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:35:55 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:32:18 +0200 (MET DST) From: Olivier Malhomme To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping Synth In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: "GIS INFOBIOGEN, 7 rue Guy Moquet BP8, 94801 VILLEJUIF, France" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"YiUWYC.A.k0F.0B5F0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/463 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:35:55 -0700 X-UIDL: 6da647f554dac56db21ddf9beb80242e Hey! Looks like the curse of guitarist only looping is ending! Grab this guy! don't let him fly away! Olivier Malhomme ""Hi, I am kinda new to the list, but I've visited all your Web sites and I was just wondering if there are any of you out there who loop synthesizers. I loop using a Delta Lab Effectron III, Lexicon JamMan, and use a Roland SDE-330 Dimensional Space Delay to sweeten the lot, but my sources are mostly EMS VCS-3 and custom modules. The closest I come to guitar looping is using a bass thru a pitch to voltage converter as a controller. To make matters even stranger, Robert Fripp is my main influence."" From ???@??? Thu Sep 11 01:36:47 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 10 23:40:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x92vi-0006ua-00; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:40:42 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:37:43 +0200 (MET DST) From: Olivier Malhomme To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: "GIS INFOBIOGEN, 7 rue Guy Moquet BP8, 94801 VILLEJUIF, France" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"WQfVWB.A.XPG._G5F0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/464 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:40:42 -0700 X-UIDL: a2932466a14a48395f747f6287ce2626 AAARgh!, I'm too looking for a second hand one (sorry, not two for the moment. Maybe it'll make me look like a sissy?) Ideas? Seen anything? Olivier malhomme From ???@??? Thu Sep 11 01:43:58 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 11 01:41:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x94oW-0003xA-00; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 01:41:24 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:53:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplexs have been found, thanks Resent-Message-ID: <"DfNqJ.A.hbD.A36F0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/465 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 01:41:24 -0700 X-UIDL: 6340a628b743db7f1702bf42f989f32e Status: O X-Status: At 4:45 PM +0000 9/10/97, Phil Diem wrote: >Kim Flint replied: > >>One idea is to simply call Oberheim and ask where you can find a dealer >>with stock. 510-635-9633. They haven't been producing them fast enough to >>meet demand, so there seems to be varying amounts of backorders at any >>given dealer. They might be able to help you find a dealer who will be >>getting them sooner than later, or already has them. The other reason this >>is a good idea is it keeps Gibson motivated to keep making them. > >>kim > >Thanks for the suggestion Kim. Problem is I've already tried this >approach, which ultimately resulted in my meeting with the District Sales >Manager, Jerry Lambert a couple of weeks back. >He says that they're way behind in production and wasn't very hopeful or >helpfull in regards to instant gratification. Well, perhaps we need to reverse the motivation for calling Gibson. The main priority ought to be showing them that there is demand for the echoplex and encouraging them to keep making echoplexes and similar products. (i.e. not pulling a lexicon, to coin a phrase...;-) The secondary motivation would then be to find one for your self. The more the gibson sales people are hearing from customers about it, the more they will pressure the production people to get their act together. It doesn't take a lot really, because the vast majority of customers never contact manufacturers. The few who do help them define what the market is looking for. I think the main reason gibson is producing echoplexes at all these days is because of the interest shown by people on this list. And they have recently been putting some effort into increasing the production, so it does work. Getting through to a DSM is certainly a good start. A guy like that is thinking Les Pauls most of the time. Getting him to think about looping products for the other part can make a big difference. So I guess you're off to a good start there, keep it up! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Sep 11 10:19:35 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 11 03:39:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x96f6-0007dF-00; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 03:39:48 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:36:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Digitech RDS/PDS Series In-Reply-To: <970910154116_776996127@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"JVXt3B.A.DAH.cn8F0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/466 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 03:39:48 -0700 X-UIDL: 3f5a272fb9b1515747d9a0e89a389031 I have an RDS-8000 which I picked up for under $100 at a pawn shop back in March thanks to the observant eye of another member of this list. I'm just curious if anyone knows what the sampling rate for these suckers is. I haven't found any mention of it. Anyone know? -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Thu Sep 11 10:19:37 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 11 06:27:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x99Hj-0001AY-00; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:27:51 -0700 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C290E20C1@NTSRV2> From: "Hogan, Greg" To: "Hogan, Greg" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Vortex flaw? Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:46:20 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"xK3QR.A.-d.SC_F0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/469 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:27:51 -0700 X-UIDL: e533ca12e5e6fe0108dc8fc77dcd958a Hello gentleman, Please let me know specifically what patches you are using so I can determine if there are problems with your machines. This way I might be able to help you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone 617-280-0372 FAX 617-280-0499 email: ghogan@lexicon.com > ---------- > From: vajra1@mho.net[SMTP:vajra1@mho.net] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 1997 12:03 AM > To: GHogan@lexicon.com > Subject: Re: Vortex flaw? > > >Hi, > > > >I just got my Vortex today, everything is O.K. with it except the > >looping. It seems that when I switch the feedback from 63 to 64 > >for infinite repeat, the loops don't always hold. > > > >A friend of mine with an LXP-5 says he has the same problem. > >Is this a bug? > > Mine does too. Always just figured that the infinite repeat at 64 cant > be > "switched to" from another edit setting (with a loop in progress) and > is > meant to be used on its own for looping purposes. Bleened and > Confused, > B.P. > > > From ???@??? Thu Sep 11 10:19:38 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 11 07:21:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9A7q-0004Z6-00; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:21:42 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970911090648.0069da54@infinitesound.com> X-Sender: verner@infinitesound.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:06:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: verner@infinitesound.com Subject: Re: Digitech RDS/PDS Series Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"NnF7V.A.95D.00_F0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/470 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:21:42 -0700 X-UIDL: 3ba5c26c79f805f29b95aec4ff20f43a I think it is 8 bit. I know the 7.6 is 8 bit and they are both similar. J. Arif Verner I have an RDS-8000 which I picked up for under $100 at a pawn shop back in March thanks to the observant eye of another member of this list. I'm just curious if anyone knows what the sampling rate for these suckers is. I haven't found any mention of it. Anyone know? -Adam __________________________________________________________________ Infinite Sound Studio Ithaca, New York http://www.infinitesound.com "After silence that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music." -Aldous Huxley From ???@??? Thu Sep 11 10:19:36 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 11 06:27:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x99Hd-00019n-00; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:27:45 -0700 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F0486AF@MAIL> From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: New Korg DL8000R Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:06:56 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"C6rIg.A.RW.NB_F0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/467 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:27:45 -0700 X-UIDL: 20b55d3f6c43a08334212487a857cbbb For those interested in the new Korg DL8000R, I have learned the device is due to the Guitar Center chain mid-October and is expected to be prices at about $600. >From the description, it sounds very Vortex-y. http://www.korg.com/dl8000r.htm From ???@??? Thu Sep 11 10:19:38 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 11 06:28:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x99I2-0001DH-00; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:28:10 -0700 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F0486B0@MAIL> From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Q. Loop labels anyone...? Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:12:04 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"faYzqC.A.gc.LC_F0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/468 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:28:10 -0700 X-UIDL: 5fd4c67076abdcbbab3ea17c710ce408 I'm generating a lot of cool non-beat ambient-esque loops I'd like to release to the world. Probably a situation common to many here on the list. Does anyone have some leads or directions on labels interested in this genre worth contacting... David Kirkdorffer UNDO From ???@??? Thu Sep 11 10:19:40 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 11 08:39:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9BKr-0001Uq-00; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:39:13 -0700 Message-Id: <199709111531.IAA23771@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: Q. Loop labels anyone...? Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:39:53 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kuHTRC.A.i9.b8AG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/471 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:39:13 -0700 X-UIDL: 9713bc3b6004eef55b3e7b174fb45eaa > From: David Kirkdorffer > I'm generating a lot of cool non-beat ambient-esque loops I'd like to > release to the world. Probably a situation common to many here on the > list. > > Does anyone have some leads or directions on labels interested in this > genre worth contacting... Not that my label is anything big....but we are set-up to take credit card orders and have an 800#. I'd be willing to talk to anyone wishing to get set-up. Currently we deal with bands on a consignment basis....and if you have a web page the service is free. Matt From ???@??? Thu Sep 11 10:19:52 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 11 08:49:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9BUS-0002N0-00; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:49:08 -0700 Message-Id: <199709111543.IAA23964@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: Q. Loop labels anyone...? Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:51:54 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"s218ZD.A.J0B.mHBG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/472 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:49:08 -0700 X-UIDL: 92b5e359c703f5089322b5866bf390d3 > Not that my label is anything big....but we are set-up to take credit card > orders and have an 800#. I'd be willing to talk to anyone wishing to get > set-up. Currently we deal with bands on a consignment basis....and if you > have a web page the service is free. Uhhhh....feel free to check out our web page at http://www.joshuanet.com/marathon to see what we are about. Matt From ???@??? Thu Sep 11 10:19:58 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 11 09:56:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9CXU-0000GH-00; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:56:20 -0700 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F0486B9@MAIL> From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: EDP Questionnaire -- Please answer ASAP Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:35:13 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"MI2n-B.A.p7G.SECG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/475 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:56:20 -0700 X-UIDL: 8206e0962fee227b2526b7de14c51083 It seems if Oberheim is "backed-up" with orders, then there is pent-up demand in the "system." This is good news! I wonder if there is more demand that Gibson is aware of... Informal Poll: I'm curious -- Please answer the following questions and send them back to ME ( N O T Loopers List). I will summarize results and get back to the list -- and GIBSON. Q1 Have you ever seen an Echoplex DP? yes no Q2 Have you ever tried an Echoplex DP? yes no Q2a. Would you like to try an Echoplex DP? yes no Q3. Have you tried to find / looked for an Echoplex DP? yes no Q4. Do you currently own an Echoplex DP? yes no Q4a. How many? Q5 Do you currently own other LOOPing tools? yes no Q5a. Please list the other Loopers you own Looper Quantity Jam Man Boomerrang other? (list them!) Q6. Do you want to buy an Echoplex DP? yes no Q7. If one were available locally to you, would you buy an Echoplex DP tomorrow? yes no (Assume retail price w/footpedal approximately = US$700 +/- 10%) Q8; Why do you want to buy an Echoplex DP? Q9. What City, State, and Country are you in? Again, please send your replies ASAP to: dkirkdorffer@exapps.com I want to have all replies by Friday 12:00noon US East Coast Time. From ???@??? Thu Sep 11 10:19:56 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 11 09:39:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9CHO-0006a5-00; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:39:42 -0700 Message-ID: <01BCBEAF.BBBB4DA0@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Q. Loop labels anyone...? Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:39:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sgfEKD.A.JmF.01BG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/474 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:39:42 -0700 X-UIDL: beda8071afb743247fc1cfd98dc80412 What ever happened to the Loopers-Delight CD project? Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ---------- From: Matt McCabe[SMTP:mattm@bi-tech.com] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 1997 11:51 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Q. Loop labels anyone...? > Not that my label is anything big....but we are set-up to take credit card > orders and have an 800#. I'd be willing to talk to anyone wishing to get > set-up. Currently we deal with bands on a consignment basis....and if you > have a web page the service is free. Uhhhh....feel free to check out our web page at http://www.joshuanet.com/marathon to see what we are about. Matt From ???@??? Thu Sep 11 10:19:53 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 11 08:59:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9BeA-0003DS-00; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:59:10 -0700 X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970911090648.0069da54@infinitesound.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:59:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Re: Digitech RDS/PDS Series Resent-Message-ID: <"tHOylD.A.0oC._QBG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/473 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:59:10 -0700 X-UIDL: 12f590c092392bae15d426c0df15010d Regarding the sampling rate of Digitech RDS 800 , J. Arif Verner said: >I think it is 8 bit. I know the 7.6 is 8 bit and they are both similar. My manual for the RDS 8000 says ".....The entire series of Time Machines now run with 12-bit VLSI engines for quieter, smoother performance...." Also it says in Specifications for Frequency Response: RDS-1000/4000---- 20 Hz to 10 kHz RDS-2000/8000---- 20 Hz to 16 kHz I don't know if any of this is applicable to the 7.6 or PDS pedals Hope this is helpful Ed From ???@??? Thu Sep 11 20:36:14 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 11 10:44:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9DHf-0004hD-00; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:44:03 -0700 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Echoplex news???? Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:44:43 +0200 Message-ID: <19970911174442828.AAA105@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"TRsDOD.A.34D.eyCG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/476 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:44:03 -0700 X-UIDL: 4822fad4fa069e248cfcbc6c4d13202f ANy news about Echoplex shipping in Europe??? thanks leo From ???@??? Thu Sep 11 20:36:15 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 11 11:03:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9Das-0006Xp-00; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:03:54 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:56:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin Reply-To: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digitech RDS/PDS Series In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"6TYwK.A.QlF.fEDG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/477 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:03:54 -0700 X-UIDL: ca78101ea7a3c4809f73b9ad54c86ee4 On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Ed Drake wrote: > My manual for the RDS 8000 says ".....The entire series of Time Machines > now run with 12-bit VLSI engines for quieter, smoother performance...." > > Also it says in Specifications for Frequency Response: > > RDS-1000/4000---- 20 Hz to 10 kHz > RDS-2000/8000---- 20 Hz to 16 kHz Well that's kind of disheartening. I was thinking that because it was kind of old that it must not have a very good frequency response, so if I got a Boomerang it would be an upgrade, but I guess not. 8( Hey Boomerang folks, I'd like to add another voice to the pack suggesting an option to halve the loop time/double the frequency response. This is the only thing that's preventing me (and as it appears from comments on here, quite a few others) from purchasing a Boomerang. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Thu Sep 11 20:36:16 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 11 13:08:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9FXi-0000O3-00; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:08:46 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 11 Sep 1997 13:48:04 -0700 From: "Hartnett, Travis" Subject: Cheap Vortex FS $140 To: "Loopers Delight postings" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Name="Message Body" Resent-Message-ID: <"TIt9fD.A.ZMH.v5EG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/478 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:08:46 -0700 X-UIDL: 218ff2a42470aa60df7312fdea84a3a4 Probably gone by now: Article Next Article Current Results View Thread Post Message Subject: F.S. Vortex & GSP-7 From: nbarker@mindspring.com (Nick Barker) Date: 1997/08/05 Message-Id: <33e72258.1877557@news.mindspring.com> Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.marketplace [More Headers] Lexicon Vortex w/both pedals,box,manual,ect super cool effect $140.00 Digitech GSP-7 , Does it all ..Dist,chorus,reverb,delays, 128 settings....$100.00 If interested email nbarker@mindspring.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Thu Sep 11 20:36:26 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 11 14:11:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9GWV-0005XS-00; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:11:35 -0700 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F0486C2@MAIL> From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: FW: EDP Questionnaire -- Please answer ASAP Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:05:13 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"OG_U9C.A.9mE.M0FG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/479 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:11:35 -0700 X-UIDL: b1e9a60e842be86ba563812391b486ed Just in case you were holding back, this is a questionnaire for ALL readers of the Loopers-Delight e-lists -- not just EchoplexDP-oriented folks. It is interesting to see how many people have which looping tools (Q5.) So far I've received 13 (oooh!!) responses. I'll compile responses and forward to the list for review. David I'm curious -- Please answer the following questions and send them back to ME ( N O T Loopers List). I will summarize results and get back to the list -- and GIBSON. Q1 Have you ever seen an Echoplex DP? yes no Q2 Have you ever tried an Echoplex DP? yes no Q2a. Would you like to try an Echoplex DP? yes no Q3. Have you tried to find / looked for an Echoplex DP? yes no Q4. Do you currently own an Echoplex DP? yes no Q4a. How many? Q5 Do you currently own other LOOPing tools? yes no Q5a. Please list the other Loopers you own Looper Quantity Jam Man Boomerrang other? (list them!) Q6. Do you want to buy an Echoplex DP? yes no Q7. If one were available locally to you, would you buy an Echoplex DP tomorrow? yes no (Assume retail price w/footpedal approximately = US$700 +/- 10%) Q8; Why do you want to buy an Echoplex DP? Q9. What City, State, and Country are you in? Again, please send your replies ASAP to: dkirkdorffer@exapps.com I want to have all replies by Friday 12:00noon US East Coast Time. From ???@??? Thu Sep 11 20:36:29 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 11 14:45:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9H3X-0000aE-00; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:45:43 -0700 Message-ID: <41DE695CE6FCCF11AD1000805FCCF8EC36D195@SF-01-MSG.dns.microsoft.com> From: Tom Attix To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: EDP Questionnaire -- Please answer ASAP Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:39:20 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.27) Resent-Message-ID: <"BVg_w.A.NRH.8TGG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/480 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:45:43 -0700 X-UIDL: 9afa3dc16b468ad28c9b4458f087d2b8 Q1 Have you ever seen an Echoplex DP? yes Q2 Have you ever tried an Echoplex DP? no Q2a. Would you like to try an Echoplex DP? yes Q3. Have you tried to find / looked for an Echoplex DP? yes Q4. Do you currently own an Echoplex DP? no Q4a. How many? Q5 Do you currently own other LOOPing tools? yes Q5a. Please list the other Loopers you own Looper Quantity Jam Man 1 Boomerrang other? Boss Delay/Reverb 1 Vortex 1 Q6. Do you want to buy an Echoplex DP? yes Q7. If one were available locally to you, would you buy an Echoplex DP tomorrow? yes (Assume retail price w/footpedal approximately = US$700 +/- 10%) Q8; Why do you want to buy an Echoplex DP? JamMan (etc) lack adequate real time control Q9. What City, State, and Country are you in? San mateo CA, usa > -----Original Message----- > From: David Kirkdorffer [SMTP:DKirkdorffer@exapps.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 1997 2:11 PM > To: Tom Attix > Subject: FW: EDP Questionnaire -- Please answer ASAP > > Just in case you were holding back, this is a questionnaire for ALL > readers of the Loopers-Delight e-lists -- not just EchoplexDP-oriented > folks. > > It is interesting to see how many people have which looping tools > (Q5.) > > So far I've received 13 (oooh!!) responses. I'll compile responses > and > forward to the list for review. > > David > > > I'm curious -- Please answer the following questions and send them > back > to ME ( N O T Loopers List). I will summarize results and get back > to > the list -- and GIBSON. > > > Q1 Have you ever seen an Echoplex DP? yes no > > > Q2 Have you ever tried an Echoplex DP? yes no > > Q2a. Would you like to try an Echoplex DP? yes no > > > Q3. Have you tried to find / looked for an Echoplex DP? yes > no > > Q4. Do you currently own an Echoplex DP? yes no > Q4a. How many? > > Q5 Do you currently own other LOOPing tools? yes no > Q5a. Please list the other Loopers you own > > Looper Quantity > Jam Man > Boomerrang > other? (list them!) > > Q6. Do you want to buy an Echoplex DP? yes no > > Q7. If one were available locally to you, would you buy an Echoplex > DP tomorrow? yes no > (Assume retail price w/footpedal approximately = US$700 +/- > 10%) > > > Q8; Why do you want to buy an Echoplex DP? > > > Q9. What City, State, and Country are you in? > > > Again, please send your replies ASAP to: dkirkdorffer@exapps.com > > > I want to have all replies by Friday 12:00noon US East Coast Time. > > From ???@??? Thu Sep 11 20:36:55 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 11 19:45:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9LjC-00071R-00; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:45:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:28:22 -0400 (EDT) From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <970911222120_1362945137@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Anyone have an Oberheim Echoplex for Sale? Resent-Message-ID: <"1w89oD.A.RGG.PsKG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/481 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:45:02 -0700 X-UIDL: 8d758df1f109263927437bb59c2ec9ec Greeting Loopersons, I must be a little slow on the uptake here or something. A few days ago an SOS for EDP purchase assistance was put on the list by a fellow named Paul Dresher. Paul is a former analog tape looper of some renown. I, in fact saw him perform years ago in an art museum performance in Southern California that was absolutely stunning! That performance (and the few of his recordings I've been able to find) have been a great insiration to me ever since. As I remember (at that particular time) he was using a multitrack reel-to-reel system (not altogether unlike Fripp's) but with some additional features including of a bank of footpedals to operate volume faders for each track. But, more impressive than the rig was the music itself. It would be an injustice for me to even begin to describe so...I won't. You owe it to youselves to check this guy out. He's got a disc or two out out on the New Albion label and a few others elsewhere I believe. He's a composer who has pretty thouroughly plummed the depths of looping as a musical concept and now he's joining the ranks of us digital loopers...hmmmm interesting Ciao, Ted Killian From ???@??? Fri Sep 12 10:01:06 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 11 22:22:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9OBF-0000j0-00; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:22:09 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 01:15:02 -0400 From: "Paul J. Dresher" Subject: Re: Echoplex Sources To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199709120115_MC2-201A-4583@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"R2svNB.A.HR.7ANG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/482 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:22:09 -0700 X-UIDL: 9383a5bc373f169d36f3d9484c984738 Loopers: My successful search for the Echoplex was consumated (through the post on this list) through the help of Rik Elswit, at Bananas At Large, an excellent equipment store in San Rafael, CA. Here are his numbers: (forgive me Rik if this causes a deluge of commications). Bananas At Large 415-457-7600 rik@well.com bananas@bananas.com Prices: New unit, w/o foot pedal - $649 Used unit - with foot pedal and fully loaded with RAM - $669 (obviously the prices of used units are holding up, supply and demand I guess) I don't think they have any more units at present but I get the feeling that Rik/Bananas seems to regularly deal in these units. (I'm still hoping for the foot controller for the new unit). In my search, I tried all my usual sources, mail order places etc and most of them don't carry Oberheim gear at all and the one or two who did hadn't seen an Echoplex in many months and had no idea when or if more were coming. I love the units, they work better than expected and are deep with compositional potential! If I disappear from the list for a while its because I'm locked away with my guitar and the two units working on a piece. Thanks for all the help. It seems the request generated a lot of discussion about the availability of these units. I hope our mutual and intense interest can influence Gibson to start making these units in larger numbers. I don't want to sound greedy, but I already want more. Paul Dresher From ???@??? Wed Apr 08 09:40:45 1998 >From kflint Wed Apr 8 07:44:46 1998 Received: from weasel.slip.net (falcon.slip.net) [207.171.193.21] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yMw5j-0004hY-00; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:44:43 -0700 Received: from ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6] (mail) by falcon.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yMw5i-0002Au-00; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:44:42 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yMw5b-0004gJ-00; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:44:35 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19970912014309.007bf220@pop3.concentric.net> X-Sender: thefates@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 01:43:09 -0700 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: Goddess Subject: bye for now... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"cJx1l.A.xAE.Ky4K1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4923 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 07:44:35 -0700 X-UIDL: 6538b5b50667716472fb22d5c8b661ef Hello again, my replies lately have been few and far-between and usually pretty short. My life is turning some pretty intense corners of late and on most days, the volume of mail I get from the list when added to whatever I haven't previously gotten to read, becomes too much for me to handle. I mean the amount, not the content. lol! So I'm saying bye for now and am temporarily leaving the list. I'd love to keep chatting with those of you who have shown an interest in my posts or just want to say "hi" or talk so please feel free to write me at this e_mail address: thefates@concentric.net I hope to talk with everyone soon as this list can be a very good resource and has some pretty nice people on it. See you all soon... Bye for now, smiles, Corynne From ???@??? Fri Sep 12 10:01:13 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 12 04:54:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9UIm-0007Qt-00; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 04:54:20 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:34:20 -0400 (EDT) From: KelRey@aol.com Message-ID: <970912073031_1795682208@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: New software Resent-Message-ID: <"WK7bSB.A.ZZG.9jSG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/483 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 04:54:20 -0700 X-UIDL: 1d6b776bd0469c0b55a2127b03eabdeb I just have reeived the new software upgrade V 5 for the Plex. I didnt get any documentation. Does any one how to get documentation on the changes in the new upgrade. Thanks, From ???@??? Fri Sep 12 10:01:14 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 12 05:18:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9Ufj-0000iw-00; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 05:18:03 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:01:11 +0200 (MET DST) From: Olivier Malhomme To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: PDS VS RDS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: "GIS INFOBIOGEN, 7 rue Guy Moquet BP8, 94801 VILLEJUIF, France" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"QRyW_D.A.9OH.Y8SG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/484 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 05:18:03 -0700 X-UIDL: 7508d264435df1b85087cdfb3d9b7bb1 I need light, people. What is the difference between a RDS and PDS machine you were mostly all refering about lately? Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Fri Sep 12 10:01:14 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 12 05:17:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9UfY-0000hV-00; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 05:17:52 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:06:31 +0200 (MET DST) From: Olivier Malhomme To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Another one... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: "GIS INFOBIOGEN, 7 rue Guy Moquet BP8, 94801 VILLEJUIF, France" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"QW5X7.A.uK.SBTG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/485 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 05:17:52 -0700 X-UIDL: f0bbf9522043010c23a41dfec2bf0ba8 Again still asking. I've seen recently a second hand LXP1 and LXP5 for the same price. Doeas anyone could tell me the differences between these two babies??? Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Fri Sep 12 10:01:16 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 12 05:52:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9VCq-0002HR-00; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 05:52:16 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:46:33 -0400 (EDT) From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: <970910212145_535141570@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: WTB: Digitech RDS8000 or 7.6 Resent-Message-ID: <"MLLiZC.A.D4B.nnTG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/486 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 05:52:16 -0700 X-UIDL: c76681ead42b0e6e6e01d1db76411a27 Hey, I have the RDS8000 and the Jamman, go with the Jamman and forget the price. From ???@??? Fri Sep 12 10:01:18 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 12 05:55:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9VGJ-0002Xp-00; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 05:55:51 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970912085241.00693e0c@infinitesound.com> X-Sender: verner@infinitesound.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:52:41 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: verner@infinitesound.com Subject: Re: Another one... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"KWZU8D.A.0FC.frTG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/487 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 05:55:51 -0700 X-UIDL: 86802d53401e8b02303f1e63e57d0934 The LXP-1 is just reverbs, the LXP-5 is multi-effects (it also has reverbs). Also check out the LXP-15, which is both units combined. The LXP-15 II upgrade is supposed to be better than the original. Arif Again still asking. I've seen recently a second hand LXP1 and LXP5 for the same price. Doeas anyone could tell me the differences between these two babies??? Olivier Malhomme ____________________________________________________________________ Infinite Sound Studio Ithaca, New York http://www.infinitesound.com "After silence that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music." -Aldous Huxley From ???@??? Fri Sep 12 10:01:19 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 12 06:05:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9VPq-000380-00; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 06:05:42 -0700 Message-ID: <01BCBF5B.23BF4CC0@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: PDS VS RDS Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:06:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lo-ywB.A.cpC.R0TG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/488 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 06:05:42 -0700 X-UIDL: 9469e753c9fdf70f0ea2997d4242eda2 RDS = rack mounted PDS = pedal (stomp box) Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ---------- From: Olivier Malhomme[SMTP:malhomme@infobiogen.fr] Sent: Friday, September 12, 1997 10:01 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: PDS VS RDS I need light, people. What is the difference between a RDS and PDS machine you were mostly all refering about lately? Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Fri Sep 12 10:01:22 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 12 06:37:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9Vue-0001D2-00; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 06:37:32 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:26:07 -0400 From: Jon Durant <74074.1316@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Another one... To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199709120931_MC2-202D-F16A@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"c2RY4.A.O5.QSUG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/489 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 06:37:32 -0700 X-UIDL: 83a32ddb762e4917063982acd1d052ff Arif writes: >The LXP-1 is just reverbs, the LXP-5 is multi-effects (it also has >reverbs). Also check out the LXP-15, which is both units combined. >The LXP-15 II upgrade is supposed to be better than the original. This is essentially correct, though the LXP-1 features reverbs, chorus, delays (about 1.5 sec, as I recall) and the LXP-5 has pitch shifting, chorsus, delays, and other effectoid type things along with some reverb, and the most unfriendly interface Lex ever created (IMO). The LXP-15 had all of the nearly all the algorithms from the 1 & 5 (sans inverse verb) and a really intuitive interface (IMO). And the version 2 software was a *major* improvement, in a whole lot of areas, mostly program loading, and editing. Oh yeah, Hi Arif! Long time no chat... Later, Jon Durant From ???@??? Fri Sep 12 10:01:27 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 12 07:32:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9Wm0-0004Ls-00; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:32:40 -0700 Message-ID: <01BCBF5D.20A0BCC0@NightOwl.MS.Uwohali.Com> From: Scott Wilson To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Another one... Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:20:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCBF5D.20A9E480" Resent-Message-ID: <"V6vgrB.A.9gD.SEVG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/490 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:32:40 -0700 X-UIDL: a55235f0cb165d38060002611473a77d I didn't get a chance to hear your whole CD, but I enjoyed the stuff on the Alchemical Samplings CD... just wanted to drop a note... -Scott From ???@??? Fri Sep 12 10:01:28 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 12 07:33:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9WmT-0004PZ-00; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:33:09 -0700 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C290E8C27@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Another one... Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:27:03 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"Ues-WC.A.SuD.hGVG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/491 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:33:09 -0700 X-UIDL: 423340841440ff5d611d8b5bb85729c8 The LXP15 is not a combination of the 1 and the 5. It offers three of the LXP1 algorithms and both of the algorithms from the LXP5 but it is only one processors so you can not run more than one algorithm at a time. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone 617-280-0372 FAX 617-280-0499 > ---------- > From: verner@infinitesound.com[SMTP:verner@infinitesound.com] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Friday, September 12, 1997 8:55 AM > To: GHogan@lexicon.com > Subject: Re: Another one... > > The LXP-1 is just reverbs, the LXP-5 is multi-effects (it also has > reverbs). Also check out the LXP-15, which is both units combined. > The LXP-15 II upgrade is supposed to be better than the original. > > Arif > > > Again still asking. I've seen recently a second hand LXP1 and LXP5 for > the > same price. Doeas anyone could tell me the differences between these > two > babies??? > Olivier Malhomme > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > Infinite Sound Studio > Ithaca, New York > http://www.infinitesound.com > > "After silence that which comes nearest to expressing the > inexpressible is > music." > -Aldous Huxley > From ???@??? Fri Sep 12 10:01:29 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 12 08:12:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9XOx-0006so-00; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:12:55 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:11:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Another one... Resent-Message-ID: <"JQGneD.A.0BG.zqVG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/492 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:12:55 -0700 X-UIDL: c2658308759f18e00f7d2745904696bd >Again still asking. I've seen recently a second hand LXP1 and LXP5 for the >same price. Doeas anyone could tell me the differences between these two >babies??? >Olivier Malhomme The LXP-1 is strictly reverbs and delays. The LXP-5 is a multieffect with a fixed chain of effects: mono-delay (slightly longer than 1 second, and loopable) -> pitch shifter (very clean and smooth sounding) -> stereo delay (1/2 second, no feedback) -> reverb (sounds very warm and smooth, for such a cheap unit) -> eq. I absolutely love the LXP-5, it's one piece of gear that I'll never part with. If you can find the MRC controller for it, programming is much easier, and it makes it a very versatile live-performance machine. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Fri Sep 12 10:01:35 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 12 09:46:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9Yrj-00063f-00; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:46:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: purple.tmn.com: tbickley owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:35:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Bickley X-Sender: tbickley@purple.tmn.com To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" cc: glarson@artswire.org Subject: upgrading the Jamman In-Reply-To: <01BCBF5D.20A0BCC0@NightOwl.MS.Uwohali.Com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"u_aIOC.A.2TF.lDXG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/493 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:46:43 -0700 X-UIDL: aaeddf5bf01b6a477b3500bf804d0c16 I'm enjoying the traffic on this list very much, and I'll emerge from lurking to say, My set of four upgrade chips to expand my Jamman from 8 to 32 seconds just arrived from Rogue Music. I'll have some time this evening to install them. Any words of advice before I go at it? Thanks in advance! -Tom * "New music:new listening" -John Cage * tbickley@artswire.org From ???@??? Sat Sep 13 00:53:30 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 12 11:39:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9acj-00079P-00; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:39:21 -0700 From: "Siobhan Canty" To: Subject: Re: upgrading the Jamman Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:00:18 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <17004284403294@cfpa.org> Resent-Message-ID: <"sXUWh.A.HMG.3rYG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/495 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:39:21 -0700 X-UIDL: 8748544cf7db37009b71342d216ad333 I am right behind you...will be purchasing the chips for my JamMan on Monday. How much did Rogue charge you and how do I get in touch with them? I will also be purchasing two foot pedals on Monday so any advice on that would also be appreciated... As a classical singer, I am just starting to expand my electronic experimentation in my compositions and would welcome any suggestions as to cool vox applications...Half the time, you guitarists leave me in the dust of the lexoplexxoLPfiver15echodecomegawizzzzzzzzzzzzzz So if there are any vocalists lurking (any who survived the recent tree-shaking thread-o-matic philosophunk), please make a move and share some info and experiences..... I'd be really appreciative.... ---------- > From: Tom Bickley > To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' > Cc: glarson@artswire.org > Subject: upgrading the Jamman > Date: Friday, September 12, 1997 12:35 PM > > I'm enjoying the traffic on this list very much, and I'll emerge from > lurking to say, > My set of four upgrade chips to expand my Jamman from 8 to > 32 seconds just arrived from Rogue Music. I'll have some time this > evening to install them. Any words of advice before I go at it? > > Thanks in advance! -Tom > > * "New music:new listening" -John Cage * tbickley@artswire.org > From ???@??? Sat Sep 13 00:53:22 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 12 10:47:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9Zoj-000351-00; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:47:41 -0700 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F0486CD@MAIL> From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: The EDP Questionnaire -- Update Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:42:55 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"BsI-tD.A.pZC.36XG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/494 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:47:41 -0700 X-UIDL: 0b591120fe85cf309c139b64cc06f4cc Just to let readers know, I've received about 30ish responses to my off-the-cuff questions. I plan to data into a spread sheet and see what story emerges. I'll see about getting the raw data out to the list (minus the names of respondents), so everyone can have a crack at interpretation. I'm shooting for Monday. I will also try to get the results into the hands of folks in Marketing at Gibson. After we've all had a chance to chew on things a bit... So, if you haven't already sent in your responses. I'll keep the door open until 4:00pm this afternoon. Thanks to all of you - JamMen, DigiFolk, EvenTiders, Votexians, and Oberpeople. David Kirkdorffer Q1 Have you ever seen an Echoplex DP? yes no Q2 Have you ever tried an Echoplex DP? yes no Q2a. Would you like to try an Echoplex DP? yes no Q3. Have you tried to find / looked for an Echoplex DP? yes no Q4. Do you currently own an Echoplex DP? yes no Q4a. How many? Q5 Do you currently own other LOOPing tools? yes no Q5a. Please list the other Loopers you own Looper Quantity Jam Man Boomerrang other? (list them!) Q6. Do you want to buy an Echoplex DP? yes no Q7. If one were available locally to you, would you buy an Echoplex DP tomorrow? yes no (Assume retail price w/footpedal approximately = US$700 +/- 10%) Q8; Why do you want to buy an Echoplex DP? Q9. What City, State, and Country are you in? Again, please send your replies ASAP to: dkirkdorffer@exapps.com From ???@??? Sat Sep 13 00:53:33 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 12 12:12:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9b8x-00027X-00; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:12:39 -0700 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C290E8C64@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: upgrading the Jamman Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:04:57 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"exjp8B.A.khB.7KZG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/497 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:12:39 -0700 X-UIDL: 902f71e0145c8613c96962394be07720 Dear Siobahn and Tim and others out in JAMMANland, Unless your machines have a serial number prefix <394 all you will need to do is follow the upgrade instructions in the manual and make sure that you are taking all precautions against getting static into the machine. If your machine does have a serial number prefix prior to 394 you will need a special "posidrive" screw driver in order to remove the posidrive screw that were used in the earlier machines. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone 617-280-0372 FAX 617-280-0499 email: ghogan@lexicon.com > ---------- > From: Siobhan Canty[SMTP:siocanty@cfpa.org] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Friday, September 12, 1997 2:37 PM > To: GHogan@lexicon.com > Subject: Re: upgrading the Jamman > > I am right behind you...will be purchasing the chips for my JamMan on > Monday. How much did Rogue charge you and how do I get in touch with > them? > I will also be purchasing two foot pedals on Monday so any advice on > that > would also be appreciated... > > As a classical singer, I am just starting to expand my electronic > experimentation in my compositions and would welcome any suggestions > as to > cool vox applications...Half the time, you guitarists leave me in the > dust > of the lexoplexxoLPfiver15echodecomegawizzzzzzzzzzzzzz > So if there are any vocalists lurking (any who survived the recent > tree-shaking thread-o-matic philosophunk), please make a move and > share > some info and experiences..... > I'd be really appreciative.... > > > ---------- > > From: Tom Bickley > > To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' > > Cc: glarson@artswire.org > > Subject: upgrading the Jamman > > Date: Friday, September 12, 1997 12:35 PM > > > > I'm enjoying the traffic on this list very much, and I'll emerge > from > > lurking to say, > > My set of four upgrade chips to expand my Jamman from 8 to > > 32 seconds just arrived from Rogue Music. I'll have some time this > > evening to install them. Any words of advice before I go at it? > > > > Thanks in advance! -Tom > > > > * "New music:new listening" -John Cage * tbickley@artswire.org > > > From ???@??? Sat Sep 13 00:53:59 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 12 12:45:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9bf6-0004rY-00; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:45:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: purple.tmn.com: tbickley owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:32:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Bickley X-Sender: tbickley@purple.tmn.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: upgrading the Jamman In-Reply-To: <17004284403294@cfpa.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"fKDrq.A.7BE.HqZG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/499 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:45:52 -0700 X-UIDL: 573b4b46f927a33a93f85c03c94361e4 Siobhan and all, First things first, ;-) Rogue Music charged me $72 + $5 shipping for the four chips. I ordered them on Wed. and they arrived today (UPS NY->DC). Rogue's phone number is 212-629-3708. First things second, thanks for the good advice about installing the upgrade to my Jamman. I'll let you all know what happens. I'm a performer on early European wind instruments. I've been using extended techniques (multiphonics, etc.) for a while and am now moving into adding use of electronic processing. (I will post some of this for the Loopers web directory of musicians, too.) I've been working with Pauline Oliveros and consider her a strong influence on my composing/improvising. Speaking of looping, the Extended Instrument System that her Deep Listening Band uses to process their sounds is a wonderfully artful blend of delay and other dsp technologies. There's info about it at http://www.artswire.org/0h/Artswire/www/pof/EIShome.html and you can hear it on most of their recent CD's. -Tom * disciplined reading * * haiku structures perception * tbickley@artswire.org * disciplined writing * From ???@??? Sat Sep 13 00:54:01 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 12 13:01:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9buV-00068Y-00; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:01:47 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:56:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Benes Michael A To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: removal Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"1qLUvC.A.PUF.I6ZG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/500 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:01:47 -0700 X-UIDL: 6a8891f82bffa66f877ae2760ff53cd7 I think it's great but it's jamming up my e-mail....please remove me from your e-mail list......thank you. From ???@??? Sat Sep 13 00:53:59 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 12 12:41:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9baV-0004Ru-00; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:41:07 -0700 X-Sender: darcyc@srvr5.engin.umich.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <17004284403294@cfpa.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:36:09 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Darcy Clark Subject: Interesting article in alt.guitar Resent-Message-ID: <"fPr0kD.A.WuD.OmZG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/498 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:41:07 -0700 X-UIDL: ed8e26062df699e25e4142e1087fb3ee I found the following article in alt.guitar and thought I'd forward to the list for your perusal. I have no experience with the Boss GT-5 personally. I have a Boss gx700 - I wonder if this technique would work on it also. I also just bought a used (once, supposedly) Jamman via UseNet News, so those looking for one, keep trying !!! Darcy ------paste Subject: GT-5 discovery From: dpcoffin@aol.com (Dpcoffin) Date: 1997/08/22 Message-Id: <19970822173301.NAA04339@ladder02.news.aol.com> Newsgroups: alt.guitar [More Headers] I just discovered an amazing looping application on the Boss GT-5, which has only 1800ms of delay. BUT, it has a delay spill-over function such that if you write the same delay patch to several presets then change the other non-delay perameters, when you select the different patches with a loop running, the held delay contents carry over to run thru whatever new fx are set up the different presets (still on Hold, even tho the control pedal--set to activate hold--now is OFF; hit it twice to fade away the loop, in any of the presets). Each one can be completely different except in the delay settings--i just chose max delay and set up the hold thing--including what kind of basic voice you'll have in that preset: acoustic, ring mod, synth, pitch-shifted, whatever. So, with a bank of five such presets, you can create a loop with any of the five different voices, and send that loop to five different post-processing configurations. I've got auto wah set up after the delay in each, so I have five different frequency sweeps to choose to send my loop thru, with the expression pedal set to master level. Sending thru a synth or ring mod voice, with slowly shifting auto wah, on which the frequency rate is being swept by the internal triangle wave, is amazing, plus I've got 4 other fx chains I can send it thru, and on each one there's a different guitar voice I can play over it, let alone the other outputs on my three-output guitar. This technique has kept the same little synth figure entertaining thru the entire course of writing this post...it's always changing as the wah brings things in and out. I've only just discovered this, so I'm sure there are many variations...there's also a sound-on-sound function that will probably work the same way. whew! this is a serious box! dpc Anybody know if there's a GT-5 user group/web-ftp site? Darcy Clark +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Materials Science and Engineering Department University of Michigan Ann Arbor, MI, 48109-2136 USA +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Room 2130, Dow Building Phone (313) 764 3377 Fax (313) 763 4788 E-mail darcyc@engin.umich.edu http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/mse250 http://msewww.engin.umich.edu/people/darcyc/ http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~darcyc/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From ???@??? Sat Sep 13 00:54:08 1997 >From kflint Sat Sep 13 00:45:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9mtl-00074o-00; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 00:45:45 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:41:01 +0200 (MET DST) From: Olivier Malhomme To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: "GIS INFOBIOGEN, 7 rue Guy Moquet BP8, 94801 VILLEJUIF, France" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"wDEKEB.A.qcG.ROkG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/501 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 00:45:45 -0700 X-UIDL: dfa39bc9ad52d9dff24086bb2f4d08a1 Than you all for granting me part of your time to answer me. This is not going to change my feeling about the nice people of this great list. Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Sat Sep 13 21:47:51 1997 >From kflint Sat Sep 13 07:30:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9tDg-0002jM-00; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 07:30:44 -0700 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Echoplex Sources Date: Sat, 13 Sep 97 10:31:35 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Phil Diem To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"2Ez-eC.A.JSC.DLqG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/502 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 07:30:44 -0700 X-UIDL: 28576df35ddc94b3ed0d954534f6b091 Paul, Thanks for responding to my request for more details about how to successfully locate Echoplexs. Interestingly, I heard about bananas last spring. I emailed them at least twice requesting quote/info and never received a response. I guess I should've used the phone. Also, when I met with Jerry Lambert, District Sales Manager for Gibson/Oberheim, I did try to impress upon him a sense of the demand for the DP and the frustration of not being able to find them anywhere. He said that they are aware of the demand and are trying to get production up. He didn't give any indication as to when the results of this effort might become visible to consumers. >I love the units, they work better than expected and are deep with >compositional potential! If I disappear from the list for a while its >because I'm locked away with my guitar and the two units working on a >piece. BTW, this is exactly how I felt when I finally got my hands on a jamman, it was so over the top of my expectations. I can't wait to try out a plex. Phil From ???@??? Sat Sep 13 21:47:54 1997 >From kflint Sat Sep 13 10:44:06 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9wEn-0003Ks-00; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 10:44:05 -0700 Message-ID: <341ACF22.686B@voicenet.com> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 13:36:34 -0400 From: Lance Weiler Reply-To: lenzz@voicenet.com Organization: LW Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: remove me Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"966qIB.A.25C.Z_sG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/504 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 10:44:05 -0700 X-UIDL: f790cd04519d35b4f4cb97df1478e26f Please remove me from the list. Thanks -- FFM Productions Ltd. Lance Weiler lenzz@voicenet.com 215-598-8496 http://www.tebweb.com/lastbroadcast From ???@??? Sat Sep 13 21:47:55 1997 >From kflint Sat Sep 13 11:22:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9wqN-0005Ck-00; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:22:55 -0700 X-From_:Lotus_Mail_Exchange_at_AMS-LMEF@mail.amsinc.com Sat Sep 13 11:22:54 1997 Received: from relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9wqJ-0005CC-00; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:22:52 -0700 Received: from mail.amsinc.com by relay7.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: mail_1.amsinc.com [162.70.32.41]) id QQdgvx02144; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:22:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Lotus_Mail_Exchange_at_AMS-LMEF@mail.amsinc.com Received: from ccMail by mail.amsinc.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA874185744; Fri, 12 Sep 97 16:15:00 EST Old-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 97 16:15:00 EST Encoding: 46 Text, 27 Text Message-Id: <9708138741.AA874185744@mail.amsinc.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: NON-DELIVERY of: Re: upgrading the Jamman X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:22:55 -0700 X-UIDL: 5315e9dc06b6cd545899d04aa2292fb5 Delivery Failure Report Your document: Re: upgrading the Jamman could not be delivered to: Edward Chang because: MailEx0105: Unable to deliver message to cc:Mail. Routing path: CN=AMS_Central_Gate_1/OU=AMSSRV/O=AMSINC,CN=AMS_Central_Gate_1/OU=AMSSRV/ O=AMSINC To: Edward Chang cc: roland@ccnet.com at AMS-Internet@ccmail From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at AMS-Internet@ccmail Date: 09-12-97 04:15:00 PM Subject: Re: upgrading the Jamman >Message was resent -- Original recipients were: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com-------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------- > . I'll have some time this > evening to install them. Any words of advice before I go at it? Indeed!... The hardest part by far is opening the damn case...be very careful not to strip the screw heads or your in for a major hassle...use a short screwdriver with as big a handle (diameter) as you can find...you'll need lots of torque but TURN SLOWLY. the rest is a peice of cake.. enjoy. > Thanks in advance! -Tom > > * "New music:new listening" -John Cage * tbickley@artswire.org (See attached file: RFC822.TXT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com by mail.amsinc.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; Fri, 12 Sep 97 16:15:52 EST Return-Path: Received: from by ams.amsinc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB11230; Fri, 12 Sep 97 16:21:50 EDT Received: from ferret by relay6.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) id QQdgsh10393; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9aqp-0000UE-00; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:53:55 -0700 Message-Id: <33C7D269.19664F98@ccnet.com> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 11:52:25 -0700 From: Roland Eberle Reply-To: roland@ccnet.com Organization: System User X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b5 [en] (Win95; I) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: upgrading the Jamman X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Resent-Message-Id: <"P0ZqhD.A.VX.P-YG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/496 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:53:55 -0700 From ???@??? Sat Sep 13 21:47:58 1997 >From kflint Sat Sep 13 11:29:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9wx8-0005oD-00; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:29:54 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:24:35 -0400 (EDT) From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <970913142434_1356822784@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digitech PDS-???? pedals for looping Resent-Message-ID: <"1odCWB.A.cFF.iqtG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/505 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:29:54 -0700 X-UIDL: 0daac52942c9001983fa1c4c6bef38b5 In a message dated 9/11/97 3:39:30 AM, you wrote: <> Darcy; The Digitech PDS series of pedals (1sec, 2sec, 4sec, and 8sec) and their equivalent rack mount versions (RDS series) all have the capability to loop-that is, they are digital delay/echoe units that have a "hold" function. Should mention that while Digitech is not making these "loopers" any more (although their 2101 Preamp/processor does have a 5sec delay/loop module), DOD does make a 4sec. (dfx94) "looping" pedal. For the price they can't be beat and are a good place to start in "getting your feet wet". One of the things that you CAN'T do with them that you can do with a Jamman (I don't know anything about the Echoplex or Boomerang) include accurately defining (via "tap tempo" or midi sync.) your loop length. This may not be a big deal if you're going to do your looping in a solo/improv. context where you're not worried about syncing to a pre-defined rythm.-in effect "you play to the machine". Another possible drawback is that they are constantly in fade mode, even w/"feedback" set at max., so if you're doing a multi layered loop the stuff you added on your previous passes is fading as the new stuff gets layered (the "hold" function stops this and freezes the loop). Again, if you're aim is to work with constantly changing loops/textures this may not be a disadvantage. One of the things you CAN do with these Digitech Loopers, that you can't with the Jamman (again, I'm only comparing Digi. to Jman 'cause that's what I use and know nothing about Plex/Rangs) is change the pitch of the loop by tweaking the delay time knob either as you're adding stuff to the loop or after it's "held" - yields some wild "synth" sounds especially when fed. back into another looper (ie: Jman/Vortex). Now, if you decide to pick up one of these little buggers don't make the mistake of getting rid of it in the "upgrade trail", if/when you decide to get a Jman/Plex/Rang.,- there's no such thing as having to many loopers. I should mention, as in my previous post, that at "The Trenton Avant Garde Festival" fellow Stickist/Loopist Jim Speer and I (performing as "Invasion of Time") were the only ones using "sophisticated loopers" (2 Jammen in addition to RDS 8000 and Vortex), the other 5 loopers were all doing some mighty fine loopage using the Digi'PDS8000 and the DODdfx94. Just goes to prove it's not the tools but what you do with them that matters. Have fun.-Paul From ???@??? Sat Sep 13 21:47:55 1997 >From kflint Sat Sep 13 11:26:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9wu6-0005Xj-00; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:26:46 -0700 X-From_:Lotus_Mail_Exchange_at_AMS-LMEF@mail.amsinc.com Sat Sep 13 11:26:45 1997 Received: from relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9wu4-0005XG-00; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:26:44 -0700 Received: from mail.amsinc.com by relay7.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: mail_1.amsinc.com [162.70.32.41]) id QQdgvx02717; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:26:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Lotus_Mail_Exchange_at_AMS-LMEF@mail.amsinc.com Received: from ccMail by mail.amsinc.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA874185972; Fri, 12 Sep 97 16:21:00 EST Old-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 97 16:21:00 EST Encoding: 60 Text, 22 Text Message-Id: <9708138741.AA874185972@mail.amsinc.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: NON-DELIVERY of: Re: upgrading the Jamman X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:26:46 -0700 X-UIDL: 10c2f800916a7d4a9f8c95ff255fd52c Delivery Failure Report Your document: Re: upgrading the Jamman could not be delivered to: Edward Chang because: MailEx0105: Unable to deliver message to cc:Mail. Routing path: CN=AMS_Central_Gate_1/OU=AMSSRV/O=AMSINC,CN=AMS_Central_Gate_1/OU=AMSSRV/ O=AMSINC To: Edward Chang cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at AMS-Internet@ccmail From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at AMS-Internet@ccmail Date: 09-12-97 04:21:00 PM Subject: Re: upgrading the Jamman >Message was resent -- Original recipients were: To: ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------- I am right behind you...will be purchasing the chips for my JamMan on Monday. How much did Rogue charge you and how do I get in touch with them? I will also be purchasing two foot pedals on Monday so any advice on that would also be appreciated... As a classical singer, I am just starting to expand my electronic experimentation in my compositions and would welcome any suggestions as to cool vox applications...Half the time, you guitarists leave me in the dust of the lexoplexxoLPfiver15echodecomegawizzzzzzzzzzzzzz So if there are any vocalists lurking (any who survived the recent tree-shaking thread-o-matic philosophunk), please make a move and share some info and experiences..... I'd be really appreciative.... ---------- > From: Tom Bickley > To: 'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com' > Cc: glarson@artswire.org > Subject: upgrading the Jamman > Date: Friday, September 12, 1997 12:35 PM > > I'm enjoying the traffic on this list very much, and I'll emerge from > lurking to say, > My set of four upgrade chips to expand my Jamman from 8 to > 32 seconds just arrived from Rogue Music. I'll have some time this > evening to install them. Any words of advice before I go at it? > > Thanks in advance! -Tom > > * "New music:new listening" -John Cage * tbickley@artswire.org > (See attached file: RFC822.TXT) Return-Path: Received: from ferret by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) id QQdgsg17899; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9aY5-0006iA-00; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:34:33 -0700 From: "Siobhan Canty" To: Subject: Re: upgrading the Jamman Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:00:18 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Message-Id: <17004284403294@cfpa.org> Resent-Message-ID: <"sXUWh.A.HMG.3rYG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/495 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:34:33 -0700 From ???@??? Sat Sep 13 21:48:00 1997 >From kflint Sat Sep 13 11:36:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9x3M-0006Ef-00; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:36:20 -0700 Message-ID: <341ADBAE.565@voicenet.com> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:30:06 -0400 From: Lance Weiler Reply-To: lenzz@voicenet.com Organization: LW Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: remove me Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WHuFD.A.QoF.fxtG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/506 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:36:20 -0700 X-UIDL: cf7b528f3d6abb663aeded8d227edf05 Please remove me from the list... Thanks -- FFM Productions Ltd. Lance Weiler lenzz@voicenet.com 215-598-8496 http://www.tebweb.com/lastbroadcast From ???@??? Sun Sep 14 21:54:19 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 14 16:01:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xANf6-0005wp-00; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 16:01:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199709142256.RAA00018@mail.tds.net> From: "Bruce Gerow" To: Subject: FS VORTEX Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 15:13:56 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zpPV7.A.tRF.luGH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/514 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 16:01:04 -0700 X-UIDL: d75b12f2a5b99f7bb4b997c2b4b05f4e Lexicon Vortex: mint condition,little use.Manual,footswitch,cord,wall wart.All as new,original packing. $250 +shipping. Price FIRM. Still up for grabs as previous interested parties backed out. LooseBruce From ???@??? Sat Sep 13 21:48:02 1997 >From kflint Sat Sep 13 15:01:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xA0Ff-0006Ai-00; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 15:01:15 -0700 X-From_:Lotus_Mail_Exchange_at_AMS-LMEF@mail.amsinc.com Sat Sep 13 15:01:14 1997 Received: from relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xA0Fd-0006AR-00; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 15:01:13 -0700 Received: from mail.amsinc.com by relay7.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: mail_1.amsinc.com [162.70.32.41]) id QQdgwm07273; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:01:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Lotus_Mail_Exchange_at_AMS-LMEF@mail.amsinc.com Received: from ccMail by mail.amsinc.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) id AA874198852; Sat, 13 Sep 97 01:21:00 EST Old-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 97 01:21:00 EST Encoding: 65 Text, 18 Text Message-Id: <9708138741.AA874198852@mail.amsinc.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: NON-DELIVERY of: Re: Echoplex Sources X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 15:01:15 -0700 X-UIDL: 57c1125d6aed57a4425d15eb93d34a26 Delivery Failure Report Your document: Re: Echoplex Sources could not be delivered to: Edward Chang because: MailEx0105: Unable to deliver message to cc:Mail. Routing path: CN=AMS_Central_Gate_1/OU=AMSSRV/O=AMSINC,CN=AMS_Central_Gate_1/OU=AMSSRV/ O=AMSINC To: Edward Chang cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at AMS-Internet@ccmail From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at AMS-INTERNET@ccmail Date: 09-13-97 01:21:00 AM Subject: Re: Echoplex Sources >Message was resent -- Original recipients were: To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------- Loopers: My successful search for the Echoplex was consumated (through the post on this list) through the help of Rik Elswit, at Bananas At Large, an excellent equipment store in San Rafael, CA. Here are his numbers: (forgive me Rik if this causes a deluge of commications). Bananas At Large 415-457-7600 rik@well.com bananas@bananas.com Prices: New unit, w/o foot pedal - $649 Used unit - with foot pedal and fully loaded with RAM - $669 (obviously the prices of used units are holding up, supply and demand I guess) I don't think they have any more units at present but I get the feeling that Rik/Bananas seems to regularly deal in these units. (I'm still hoping for the foot controller for the new unit). In my search, I tried all my usual sources, mail order places etc and most of them don't carry Oberheim gear at all and the one or two who did hadn't seen an Echoplex in many months and had no idea when or if more were coming. I love the units, they work better than expected and are deep with compositional potential! If I disappear from the list for a while its because I'm locked away with my guitar and the two units working on a piece. Thanks for all the help. It seems the request generated a lot of discussion about the availability of these units. I hope our mutual and intense interest can influence Gibson to start making these units in larger numbers. I don't want to sound greedy, but I already want more. Paul Dresher (See attached file: RFC822.TXT) Received: from ferret by mail.amsinc.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; Fri, 12 Sep 97 01:18:38 EST Return-Path: Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9O6x-0000Mp-00; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:17:43 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 01:15:02 -0400 From: "Paul J. Dresher" Subject: Re: Echoplex Sources To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199709120115_MC2-201A-4583@compuserve.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"R2svNB.A.HR.7ANG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/482 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:17:43 -0700 From ???@??? Sat Sep 13 21:48:06 1997 >From kflint Sat Sep 13 17:38:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xA2ho-000408-00; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:38:28 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:37:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: upgrading the Jamman Resent-Message-ID: <"iFMdvB.A.gaD.DDzG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/507 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:38:28 -0700 X-UIDL: d12ab44c8d9c32bf8d227bca43b50857 >I'm enjoying the traffic on this list very much, and I'll emerge from >lurking to say, >My set of four upgrade chips to expand my Jamman from 8 to >32 seconds just arrived from Rogue Music. I'll have some time this >evening to install them. Any words of advice before I go at it? > >Thanks in advance! -Tom Removing the old chips is a bit of a hassle, since their mounted partially under the lip of the front panel, and it's hard to get your fingers in there. .A small flat blade screwdriver can help, just pry (very) gently on the front of the chip. Good luck! ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Sat Sep 13 21:48:06 1997 >From kflint Sat Sep 13 17:38:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xA2hP-0003yx-00; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:38:03 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:37:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: upgrading the Jamman Resent-Message-ID: <"izFFkC.A.SbD.HDzG0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/508 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:38:03 -0700 X-UIDL: 3197c7409ff3c64a19b979e97272e30f >I am right behind you...will be purchasing the chips for my JamMan on >Monday. How much did Rogue charge you and how do I get in touch with them? > I will also be purchasing two foot pedals on Monday so any advice on that >would also be appreciated... > I found the chips through VisionSoft, which deals in Amiga parts and software. The chips were $9.95 each, and the phone sales people were very helpful. One chip they sent was defective, which turns the JamMan into a harsh digital fuzzbox depending on which slot it ends up in, and VisionSoft was very cool about replacing it. VisonSoft (800)735-2633 Homepage: http//www.visionsoft.com Good luck! ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Sat Sep 13 23:03:14 1997 >From kflint Sat Sep 13 22:35:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xA7LW-0006pD-00; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 22:35:46 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <970912073031_1795682208@emout05.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 22:31:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: New software Resent-Message-ID: <"W2MEB.A.TOG.Ab3G0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/509 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 22:35:46 -0700 X-UIDL: ec63334bd6cdb6a9020a0fa2f91604f2 At 7:34 AM -0400 9/12/97, KelRey@aol.com wrote: >I just have reeived the new software upgrade V 5 for the Plex. I didnt get >any documentation. Does any one how to get documentation on the changes in >the new upgrade. > >Thanks, hmm. They didn't send anything at all? I gave gibson all of the release notes for the software when we delivered it to them. I guess I assumed they would actually use that to create some sort of documentation to send to people, but in retrospect I guess I should know better. I can put that information on the Loopers Delight echoplex page, hopefully that will help. It was posted to the mailing list when the upgrade was announced, so you can probably find it in the archives anyway. Did they at least send instructions on how to install the eproms? Since I'm going to the trouble, anything specific you would like to have in the upgrade docs? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Sep 14 21:54:03 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 14 09:01:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xAH7D-0004As-00; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 09:01:39 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970914114821.0069fc34@popmail.voicenet.com> X-Sender: floyd@popmail.voicenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 11:48:21 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: New software In-Reply-To: References: <970912073031_1795682208@emout05.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Uw7KI.A.RoD.KiAH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/510 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 09:01:39 -0700 X-UIDL: 69acc5a7f69e426c7053dc3688f4a9a8 At 10:31 PM 9/13/97 -0700, Kim wrote: > >Since I'm going to the trouble, anything specific you would like to have in >the upgrade docs? > Yes - where to get the upgrade, user-installable. **************** ********** Floyd Miller ****** floyd@voicenet.com ** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd From ???@??? Sun Sep 14 21:54:05 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 14 09:11:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xAHGR-0004a0-00; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 09:11:11 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 12:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199709141606.MAA01269@user1.channel1.com> X-Sender: seahorse@user1.channel1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: Re: The EDP Questionnaire -- Update Resent-Message-ID: <"IRaC-C.A.qEE.ytAH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/511 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 09:11:11 -0700 X-UIDL: 25bd71d7b9e1416bbfdcfc718bad70a3 David, Just an amusing side note. On Thursday, when I answered your questionnaire, I said I had one on order as my answer to "would you buy one tomorrow". Well, Friday I got a call from Mr. Music and lo, it was in. So I did buy one tomorrow. Now all I need to do is upgrade the memory. Frank Gerace Dreamchild At 01:42 PM 9/12/97 -0400, you wrote: >Just to let readers know, I've received about 30ish responses to my >off-the-cuff questions. I plan to data into a spread sheet and see what >story emerges. I'll see about getting the raw data out to the list >(minus the names of respondents), so everyone can have a crack at >interpretation. I'm shooting for Monday. > >I will also try to get the results into the hands of folks in Marketing >at Gibson. After we've all had a chance to chew on things a bit... > >So, if you haven't already sent in your responses. I'll keep the door >open until 4:00pm this afternoon. > >Thanks to all of you > >- JamMen, DigiFolk, EvenTiders, Votexians, and Oberpeople. > >David Kirkdorffer > > >Q1 Have you ever seen an Echoplex DP? yes no > > >Q2 Have you ever tried an Echoplex DP? yes no > >Q2a. Would you like to try an Echoplex DP? yes no > > >Q3. Have you tried to find / looked for an Echoplex DP? yes >no > >Q4. Do you currently own an Echoplex DP? yes no >Q4a. How many? > >Q5 Do you currently own other LOOPing tools? yes no >Q5a. Please list the other Loopers you own > > Looper Quantity > Jam Man > Boomerrang > other? (list them!) > >Q6. Do you want to buy an Echoplex DP? yes no > >Q7. If one were available locally to you, would you buy an Echoplex >DP tomorrow? yes no > (Assume retail price w/footpedal approximately = US$700 +/- >10%) > > >Q8; Why do you want to buy an Echoplex DP? > > >Q9. What City, State, and Country are you in? > > >Again, please send your replies ASAP to: dkirkdorffer@exapps.com > > > > > > From ???@??? Mon Sep 15 09:50:10 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 15 06:54:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xAbbc-0001p4-00; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 06:54:24 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 97 11:55:33 EST From: nm@mail.amsinc.com (ccMail SMTPLINK) Message-Id: <9708148742.AA874263333@mail.amsinc.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message Resent-Message-ID: <"xD8HDB.A.aZB.PyTH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/524 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 06:54:24 -0700 X-UIDL: 7af3aeabb8a7bb48edf4ebb25994fdf3 Message undeliverable at this time Original text follows ---------------------------------------------- Received: from ams.amsinc.com by mail.amsinc.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; Sun, 14 Sep 97 11:55:30 EST Return-Path: Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.net) by ams.amsinc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15993; Sun, 14 Sep 97 12:01:54 EDT Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xAH14-0003wZ-00; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 08:55:18 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970914114821.0069fc34@popmail.voicenet.com> X-Sender: floyd@popmail.voicenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 11:48:21 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: New software In-Reply-To: References: <970912073031_1795682208@emout05.mail.aol.com> Resent-Message-Id: <"Uw7KI.A.RoD.KiAH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/510 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 08:55:18 -0700 At 10:31 PM 9/13/97 -0700, Kim wrote: > >Since I'm going to the trouble, anything specific you would like to have in >the upgrade docs? > Yes - where to get the upgrade, user-installable. **************** ********** Floyd Miller ****** floyd@voicenet.com ** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd From ???@??? Mon Sep 15 09:50:15 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 15 08:37:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xAdDC-0000UT-00; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 08:37:18 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 97 12:07:35 EST From: nm@mail.amsinc.com (ccMail SMTPLINK) Message-Id: <9708148742.AA874264055@mail.amsinc.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message Resent-Message-ID: <"EzFxcD.A.WIH.9PVH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/527 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 08:37:18 -0700 X-UIDL: de24ab31a8f5643a1a4f22cd0502bc77 Message undeliverable at this time Original text follows ---------------------------------------------- Received: from ams.amsinc.com by mail.amsinc.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; Sun, 14 Sep 97 12:07:32 EST Return-Path: Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.net) by ams.amsinc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16200; Sun, 14 Sep 97 12:13:56 EDT Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xAHCi-0004PH-00; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 09:07:20 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 12:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199709141606.MAA01269@user1.channel1.com> X-Sender: seahorse@user1.channel1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: Re: The EDP Questionnaire -- Update Resent-Message-Id: <"IRaC-C.A.qEE.ytAH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/511 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 09:07:20 -0700 David, Just an amusing side note. On Thursday, when I answered your questionnaire, I said I had one on order as my answer to "would you buy one tomorrow". Well, Friday I got a call from Mr. Music and lo, it was in. So I did buy one tomorrow. Now all I need to do is upgrade the memory. Frank Gerace Dreamchild At 01:42 PM 9/12/97 -0400, you wrote: >Just to let readers know, I've received about 30ish responses to my >off-the-cuff questions. I plan to data into a spread sheet and see what >story emerges. I'll see about getting the raw data out to the list >(minus the names of respondents), so everyone can have a crack at >interpretation. I'm shooting for Monday. > >I will also try to get the results into the hands of folks in Marketing >at Gibson. After we've all had a chance to chew on things a bit... > >So, if you haven't already sent in your responses. I'll keep the door >open until 4:00pm this afternoon. > >Thanks to all of you > >- JamMen, DigiFolk, EvenTiders, Votexians, and Oberpeople. > >David Kirkdorffer > > >Q1 Have you ever seen an Echoplex DP? yes no > > >Q2 Have you ever tried an Echoplex DP? yes no > >Q2a. Would you like to try an Echoplex DP? yes no > > >Q3. Have you tried to find / looked for an Echoplex DP? yes >no > >Q4. Do you currently own an Echoplex DP? yes no >Q4a. How many? > >Q5 Do you currently own other LOOPing tools? yes no >Q5a. Please list the other Loopers you own > > Looper Quantity > Jam Man > Boomerrang > other? (list them!) > >Q6. Do you want to buy an Echoplex DP? yes no > >Q7. If one were available locally to you, would you buy an Echoplex >DP tomorrow? yes no > (Assume retail price w/footpedal approximately = US$700 +/- >10%) > > >Q8; Why do you want to buy an Echoplex DP? > > >Q9. What City, State, and Country are you in? > > >Again, please send your replies ASAP to: dkirkdorffer@exapps.com > > > > > > From ???@??? Sun Sep 14 21:54:06 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 14 14:07:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xALt8-0000rv-00; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 14:07:26 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 16:56:38 -0400 From: "Paul J. Dresher" Subject: Re: New software To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199709141656_MC2-205E-DF3F@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"0quvzC.A.7l.bEFH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/512 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 14:07:26 -0700 X-UIDL: 5fc37ff7cc60b64391c45453115e4416 Kim: At the moment, I have one unit with the new and one with the old software. I'm assuming the manual which came with the new unit is still really based on the 3.2 software. I would love to get the info on the new software too. Let us know when its posted on the Web site. (Even with different software versions, the two units sync up fine in BrotherSync mode). I have a number of questions about the units and wondered is it appropriate to ask those questions here? Do you recall which archive digest included your info on the upgrade? All the Best, Paul Dresher From ???@??? Sun Sep 14 21:54:14 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 14 15:33:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xANEf-0004ji-00; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 15:33:45 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 15:28:43 -0700 (PDT) From: The Man Himself To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: The Echoplex upgrade arrives! (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"MZnHDD.A.MFE.WUGH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/513 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 15:33:45 -0700 X-UIDL: a54a5fe061cbe9437d31142f83150116 With regards to the queries of Paul Dresher and others, here's a copy of Kim's announcement for the Echoplex upgrade, which includes a list of new/improved features. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 17:32:03 -0700 From: Kim Flint To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: The Echoplex upgrade arrives! At the NAMM show in Nashville this weekend, Oberheim is announcing a new software version for the Echoplex Digital Pro. It's called LoopIII V5.0, and will be shipping this month in new units and as upgrades for existing Echoplex owners. There are many, many improvements and enhancements over LoopIII V3.2, which has been shipping in the Echoplex for over two and a half years now. Many of you have been waiting a long time for this; the wait is finally over! I'm not sure what Oberheim's upgrade policy will be for this version, you should contact Oberheim or an Oberheim dealer for details. LoopIII V5.0 is created and developed by Aurisis Research, a company quietly formed six months ago by Matthias Grob, Eric Obermuhlner, and myself to continue developing the Loop(R) technology invented by Matthias years ago. This is our first big release as a company, and we are quite proud of it. LoopIII V5.0 represents a huge amount of effort in technical development, business negotiations, and evangelizing the possibilities to Gibson. It was a daunting task to say the least, but we now have a high quality software product in the Echoplex and a firm commitment to the product from Oberheim and Gibson. We would like to thank all the users whose enthusiasm for the Echoplex motivated and inspired us. We never would have made it without you! kim If you are interested, here is our release documentation, for LoopIII V5.0: ******************************************************* LoopIII version 5.0 >From Aurisis Research Who is Aurisis Research? Aurisis Research was founded by three music industry veterans to develop exciting new musical instrument technologies. We license these technologies to major manufacturers in the industry. Our primary products are real-time looping instruments. What is Loop(R) ? Loop, our centerpiece technology, is a real-time sampling and looping musical instrument. It encompasses an efficient and intuitive user interface allowing musicians to create, perform, and manipulate live loops in ways that have never been possible before. The revolutionary sampling functionality of Loop has redefined the art and technique of looping. Loop has been in development for over seven years, and can be found in the Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro and the Paradis LoopDelay. LoopIII is the third generation of the technology. Version 5.0 is the latest release. What is LoopIII version 5.0? Our goals for version 5.0 centered on playability. A good musical instrument is defined by the subtleties and nuance of playing it, and with this release we sought playing perfection for LoopIII. We made many enhancements and improvements to the existing functionality, to improve the playing experience with the Loop. All features that had been intended for the LoopIII function set have been implemented. In addition, we fixed every bug that has ever been reported to us, as well as many that no one ever found. Stability has been improved everywhere to insure that no musician is ever let down by the Loop. We did everything we could to make sure that Loop continues to be the preeminent looping tool and an excellent musical instrument in it's own right. We hope we've succeeded! *** NEW FEATURES *** *Loop Sound Copy* The long absent loop copy function arrives! This function allows the user to easily and intuitively copy his current loop into the next loop, during performance. When NextLoop is pressed to jump to a reset loop, the copy process begins. While copying, the loop continues to play, so the performance is seamless. Even better, during the copy, overdubs can be made on the new version! And just like the Multiply function, the new loop can be made to have as many multiples of the original as will fit in memory. With two button presses, you can take a one bar rhythm in loop 1 and turn it into a sixteen bar vamp in loop 2 with a melody recorded over the top! *Loop Time Copy* This function is very similar to the sound copy, but just copies the length. And, in the same fashion, you can overdub during the copy and create multiples of the original length. Keep your loops in a tight groove! *** PLAYABILITY ENHANCEMENTS *** *Improved Use of Memory* A fundamental change was made in the software architecture to fix the problems with Retriggering in cases where memory is low. Now we can retrigger loops that take the whole memory at any time. Before, when using retriggering functions like Mute-Insert, Mute-Undo, Mute-Multiply-Beat, Sample triggering with SamplerStyle = One and even syncing to external clocks, the retrigger would generally not work when the loop was longer than half the total memory available. This improvement is possible because we now do real-time "defragmentation" of the loops. We unify the fragmented loop! *Retriggering Improved* The Retriggering function, typically executed with Mute-Insert, has been rebuilt. It is now protected from interference from Overdub and Feedback, and is generally far more reliable when used along with Reverse and Undo. Once the loop has been triggered, repeated pressing of Insert retriggers the sample for stuttering effects, rather than going into Reverse or Insert. *MIDI Sample Triggering Improved* The entire function for MIDI sample triggering had to be rebuilt. It is now considerably more consistent and usable. Changes are: - The volume is now corrected when the switching is executed. This fixed problems where the volume setting for a loop would be retained from previous switching, especially when the SamplerStyle or Velocity parameters had been changed. - The velocity of a midi trigger now sets the volume relative to the volume set by midi continuous control. So the Continuous Controller set by VolumeCont now serves as a master volume. - The switching is fully dependent on SwitchQuant. So, for example, if SwitchQuant is set to Cycle and a midi trigger is received, the new loop will not start until the current one reaches its end. Setting SwitchQuant to Off makes it behave most like a Sampler. - If Velocity=off, and SamplerStyle=Att, the key switches between full volume and silence. This fixed problems where loops would play with the volume completely off or at a setting from a previous switch's velocity value. Now if Velocity is turned off, the loops always play at a consistent volume. - If Velocity=on, the velocity is used to set volume independently of the setting of SamplerStyle. - NextLoop now always plays the loops at full volume. Before it would play them at volumes set previously by midi loop triggers, which was confusing. It is now independent of the settings and usage of SamplerStyle and Velocity. *Exiting from Quantize* Its easy now to get out of the quantizing (ooo) state. Just press the same key again and the function happens immediately. This might be useful if you normally Quantize but as an exception do not want to wait for the end of the current cycle, or if an expected sync signal does arrive. Additionally, Undo will cancel the impending function and the quantized wait state, returning you to where you were before. *Improved MIDI Clock Sync* The Echoplex's ability to synchronize itself to midi clocks has been substantially improved. This was achieved through a combination of bug fixes, internal parameter adjustments, and complete rewrites of some software functions. The Echoplex stays locked to the midi clock source far more reliably than it did before. It used to have trouble when the clock drifted faster and the sync signals arrived early, especially when the loop was longer than half the memory size. That is no longer a problem. The Echoplex is also more tolerant of wider deviations in the midi clock. So if the clock source is drifting from its original rate, the Echoplex will continue to sync to it over a wider range. The amount of drift we allow in the clock before giving up is determined by an internal parameter, which we essentially doubled. If the clock has drifted beyond this range we assume it is intentional and the Echoplex stops trying to sync to it. If the clock returns to a reasonable rate, Loop will sync up to it again. Also, Loop now recognizes if MIDI clock was present and then stopped, which prevents waiting endlessly for a clock that never comes. *Recording of Many Loops in Sync* If AutoRecord is on and we are synced to an external source, AutoRecord turns into the Next-Insert, or Time Copy function. This allows the Echoplex to record multiple loops, all synced to the external clock. To avoid confusion in performance, we also allow the Record button to terminate this function and round off the recording to the next cycle length. (instead of terminating immediately and defining a new cycle length, as InsertRecord usually does). *StartPoint Location with Insert and Multiply* Before, if several inserts and multiplies were done, the StartPoint would end up in strange locations. Now it is much more intuitive, and maintains its location at the beginning of the first audio sample. The exception to this is when Insert is done right at the very beginning of the loop, in which case we assume that is now the StartPoint. *Display for Insert* The display was not very intuitive during inserts. Now, when inserting in the middle of a multiplied loop, the total number of cycles is shown counting up. When Insert is ended the cycle count reorients itself to the actual location. *StartPoints with Insert* Loop is now much better about keeping track of cycle number locations when insert is done several times on a loop. Before, the beginning of the count could end up almost anywhere after several Inserts were done. The cycle count now stays with the audio in a much more obvious way. Functions that retrigger the loop work in a much more obvious way, since the StartPoint of the loop stays in an obvious place. *Audio Recalibration / Improved Undo* Loop is now able to recalibrate the audio hardware to account for audio degradation associated with thermal variations in the analog to digital conversion parts. This probably improves audio quality in many subtle ways, but most importantly is the improvement to the Undo function. There has always been a problem where the audio hardware sometimes developed DC offsets over time. Loop misinterpreted this as an audio input, which meant that new memory would be used continuously and the Undo function would not work well. The thermal recal totally fixes this, making Undo much more reliable! Audio recalibration is done very quickly, but it does require that audio be off very briefly. To avoid any pops, the recal is done with each reset, and repeated periodically if Loop is left in reset. This means that a user still has the rare potential to encounter the Undo problem if they power up, begin a loop immediately, and never reset. This is actually fairly rare, and we have even improved this situation by making the startup sequence longer, allowing the convertors to get closer to their operating temperature before the initial calibration. And in the extremely rare case where a unit does develop the offset during use, as soon as the user does Reset, the problem is fixed. Before it could only be fixed with a power cycle. So even this worst case is much better than the offset situation in the previous version! *Noise Reduction* We employed some software tricks commonly used in communications systems to reduce system noise. This will likely reduce noise that could sometimes be heard in the audio. *Stereo Operation* Operating two Loop based devices together for stereo is now far more reliable and consistent. - The synchronization functions are now much smarter and all the problems with one unit getting confused by sync signals from the other have been eliminated. - Synchronizing stereo units with external devices, either as a clock receiver or transmitter, is now far more reliable as well. Before this could only be done by removing the BrotherSync cable or using particular midi cable configurations. - Many bugs have been fixed where midi messages sent to the master from an external source were not correctly passed on to the slave. - Several bugs that caused functions on the slave to execute differently than on the master have also been fixed. - The problem where feedback on the slave would be set slightly low, resulting in long term loop degradation, has been fixed. - The parameter defaults are now set for stereo. So a new user will not have to do anything for stereo to work. - Velocity messages for LoopTriggering now transfer to the stereo slave correctly. - Volume continuous controller now passes to the stereo slave correctly. - The stereo units now operate together very nicely! *Reverse* - When a multiplied loop is in Reverse, the cycle count now counts backwards! - Accuracy of Reverse is improved, mainly in case of retrigger functions. - Multiply-Reverse is now possible. Due to processing limits cycle counts cannot be maintained so all multiples become one long cycle. - No more pops! *Delay Mode* In DelayMode, the output is now off while recording. This is not delay-like, but better. Before there would be odd situations where the previous delayed audio would appear in odd places as a new delay time was being set. Also, during Mute, the feedback and input sound continues updating the unheard delay sound. This way you can record audio into the delay while the output is muted, and then turn the output back at a later point to hear what is in the delay. *Sample Dump* - various bugs fixed, plus automatic workarounds for some bugs found in other samplers and software. - Handshaking, or "closed loop" now works properly and really does go faster than the standard open loop dump. *Manufactureability Improvements* Power supply variations on some units could cause slightly low readings for Feedback, causing problems where the loop would decay even with the know all the way up. Units had to be tested for this problem in production and fixed before they could ship, which was inefficient. Some units undoubtedly shipped with such a problem, and there is the possibility of developing it as the hardware ages. Changes have been made in software to tolerate worst case voltage variations across all the relevant circuits. This corrects the problem, with the tradeoff being a slight reduction in feedback resolution at the top end of the scale. It doesn't appear to be noticeable, and is definitely worth it for the improvement in reliability. *** BUG FIXES *** - A lot of pops and clicks have been removed. (including the ones occasionally found in Reverse) - NoteOFF is always treated as if it had velocity 0. Thus, the NoteOFF command of modern keyboards with dynamic key release are understood to release the keys of the ECHOPLEX. - There was an attack noise at end of PlaySample. (the Mute-Insert function) This has been fixed. - MuteMode was not saved properly in the EEPROM. After power cycling the display would be correct but it would always be in the "Continuous" mode. - MIDIFeedBack send did not work well. It did not even reach the max and min value. Now it is sent every 30ms. - Some display errors, mainly in connection with Next or Quantized, have been removed. - In some special situations of NextLoop, with Quantize on or empty loops, we got stuck or jumped immediately. These cases are fixed. - The sound sometimes faded after a lot of repetitions. A bug with feedback was fixed that should cure this. A similar bug with stereo operation was fixed, so slave units won't have mysterious loop fading problems. - In confirm, NextUndo did not influence the running state, which was not useful because you want to arrive in the new loop Playing. So NextUndo now always does StopMute and StopOverdub. - Quantize/sync and threshold are now "anded." If both are on, Record is executed only at next beat after the signal appears. - Record-Undo is improved. (Undoing an accidental press of Record) It is maintaining the rhythm now and also uses the new defragmentation procedure, so it is possible with a loop as long as the entire memory minus the accidentally made loop. Unfortunately, the Multiply structure is lost so the loop becomes one longer cycle. - Overdub can be operated in parallel with other keys much more reliably. - After an even number of Multiplies, AutoUndo did not coincide with the start of the loop any more. - When certain functions are called now, the old data on the Quantize stack is erased. That fixes a Long Multiply problem and prevents the situation where we come back from the parameters and are stuck waiting for something. - Sync was redone. If it arrives early, we call Retrigger. Before it did not work when more than half the memory was occupied. - Insert-Multiply was wrong. It should now work as described in the manual. - The Syncs do not interfere with the long-presses of real buttons any more. - Undo LED now turns red when the key is pressed. - The amount of variation allowed for syncing to a changing clock speed is not a technical problem, but a constant we set. This limit is imposed since the speed of the music in the loop does not change, rather the loop end is chopped off or the beginning repeated. Too much variation in the external clock tends to cause a rhythmic mess, so we assume the variations are intentional and stop trying to sync. Nevertheless, we have now doubled this constant. This tends to improve the reliability of the sync without causing too many problems, and seems to be a better value. - Source# only goes to 114 to leave space for all midi functions. - Clock out for 8ths/cycle = 1 did not work at all, this is fixed. The whole algorithm for counting and generating midi clocks changed and all measures are more accurate now. - The whole Memory overflow calculation is new. (did not work the first time in a new loop) - The Multiple display now counts down while Reverse is on. But while multiplying in reverse it is still counting up (how would I know where to start counting?). - In case of quantizing to external Sync, the second press now executes the function but does not erase the Quantize flag. A reset then erases it. - NextMultiply sometimes fell directly into Mute, now its fixed. - Multiplication happens independently from loopstart and consequently the counting is not synchronized with the loopstart. In many situations, the difference between the loopstart and the counting is only due to limited operating accuracy. Therefore, RETRIGGER now eliminates this difference if it is smaller than a constant BeatCountRoundTime (actually 100 blocks = 70ms). This avoids the short appearance of the last number when we trigger the loop and strange flickers when syncing. These still appear if the multiplication was far off the loopstart and thus presumably intentional. - NextMult cannot work forward if we are coming from a reversed loop. So now, it is taking over the direction. - If the MoreLoops parameter is changed, and then immediately set back to the current value, the loops are no longer reset. - Midi LoopTrigger commands now pass to the slave correctly, including case where AutoRecord is on. - LongNext now brings you to loop 1 when the current loop is reset. - Velocity messages didn't get transferred to the stereo slave, now fixed. - Volume continuous controller not sent to slave. Now fixed. - Quantized multiply ended at the very end of memory left it waiting forever. It now ends the multiply correctly. - When syncing to midi clock and using Quantize, functions sometimes executed a cycle too late. Now they always execute at the end of the cycle, like they should. - Insert could pass the end of memory in some cases. Fixed to recognize the end correctly and kill the Insert automatically. - Multiply of max-length loops tried to work anyway. - Some functions did not execute right if Overdub was held down. That's corrected. - NextLoop sent over midi sometimes did two NextLoops when switching to a reset loop. We recognize the note offs better in this case. - Master setting slave feedback to 125 instead of 127, causing loop fades. - Inserts done in the middle or beginning of a loop could cause it to go over the maximum memory. This condition is now recognized. - Front switches now work when a pedal in the overdub jack is held down. - Multiply-Undo messed up Undo so that the loop could be undone back before it's original point in memory, bringing back old loops. Now it stops in the right place. - When the stereo master had feedback turned all the way down, it did not set feedback correctly on the slave after a Record. Now it does. - Tempo of midi clock out was lost during quantized reverse. Now it is kept correctly. - LED's are set correctly during quantized Loop switching. Some available functions were not correctly indicated. - Plus many other very minor ones.... ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Sep 14 21:54:22 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 14 20:07:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xARVo-0002Ys-00; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 20:07:44 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 22:55:29 -0400 X-Sender: tbickley@purple.tmn.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: tbickley@artswire.org (Tom Bickley) Subject: Re: upgrading the Jamman Resent-Message-ID: <"erwceB.A.BIC.KVKH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/516 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 20:07:44 -0700 X-UIDL: f6318218ba8e70609ccfb6892ff87b11 Good Evening Loopers! I would have written sooner but the upgrade worked so well that I'm now 32 seconds behind everybody else. The advice about opening the case helped greatly. After making sure my tools and I were static free, I actually used a phillips-head bit on a little electric drill to remove the screws. It worked like a charm. The chips were a bit feisty to remove, but gentle rocking worked, and the new ones went in just fine. So, thanks very much to everyone who responded. If you haven't upgraded your Jamman, I say, find some good prices on the chips and go ahead. Adelante! -Tom * "New music: new listening" -John Cage * tbickley@artswire.org * From ???@??? Sun Sep 14 23:21:52 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 14 21:56:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xATCg-0007gu-00; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:56:06 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 00:51:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: gorton@g.imap.itd.umich.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: gorton@umich.edu (Russell Gorton) Subject: looping voice ideas Resent-Message-ID: <"GD3JTC.A.N4G.T7LH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/517 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:56:06 -0700 X-UIDL: 94b3b6555176f32a1a6f2a0bd2958b2d >As a classical singer, I am just starting to expand my electronic >experimentation in my compositions and would welcome any suggestions as to >cool vox applications...Half the time, you guitarists leave me in the dust >of the lexoplexxoLPfiver15echodecomegawizzzzzzzzzzzzzz >So if there are any vocalists lurking (any who survived the recent >tree-shaking thread-o-matic philosophunk), please make a move and share >some info and experiences..... >I'd be really appreciative.... 1) Murmur, howl, click, gurgle, moan into microphone. If so inclined, "record" a fair amount but endeavour to match the pitch/timbre of the start and end-points. This usually makes the loop more "seamless", without a noticeable cliff at the splice. But, it is also fun to insert intentionally jarring noises that lend a rhythmic component. 2) long loops lend themselves to raga-like trance drones or Tuvan(sp?)-monk-style throat singing. Build your own overtones. Paste up sonic wallpaper, etc. 3) it has been, to my experience, much harder to sync up harmonies (like one-voice chorus construction), but then again, I'm not much of a singer. Recording a word or two as an accentuating sample, with a trigger (Echoplex can do this, don't know about Jamguy) to put it in the right spots has been fun. 4) I like looping tv voices and playing them backwards. Classic ambient technique...nothing like good old backwards play! It worked for the Beatles AND Judas Priest! --RtG (yeah, but i still loop a guitar a bunch too...it's so much dang fun!) From ???@??? Sun Sep 14 23:56:46 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 14 23:27:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xAUd9-00048o-00; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:27:31 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199709141656_MC2-205E-DF3F@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 22:55:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: New software Resent-Message-ID: <"WsxisB.A.PRD.NQNH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/518 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:27:31 -0700 X-UIDL: 192f2e7197c20b56219e50f82deaa7bc At 4:56 PM -0400 9/14/97, Paul J. Dresher wrote: >Kim: > >At the moment, I have one unit with the new and one with the old software. >I'm assuming the manual which came with the new unit is still really based >on the 3.2 software. It is, but it all mostly still applies. > I would love to get the info on the new software too. > Let us know when its posted on the Web site. The thing Andre just posted is the thing I'm going to put on the web. Let me know what else you might need, and maybe I can add to it > (Even with different >software versions, the two units sync up fine in BrotherSync mode). I have >a number of questions about the units and wondered is it appropriate to ask >those questions here? sure, go ahead. If one person has a question, others probably have it too. I'll answer as I have time, or maybe someone else might know. Asking questions about the plex or any other device is good, because eventually someone gets on the ball and creates a FAQ for the website. Then the answer is readily available for anyone. > Do you recall which archive digest included your >info on the upgrade? Well, Andre took care of that. Thanks Andre! As far as me recalling, I'm blessed with a terrible memory, so I usually don't recall very many things. The world is always new and exciting to me! hope this helps, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Sep 14 23:56:46 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 14 23:27:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xAUdB-000491-00; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:27:33 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970914114821.0069fc34@popmail.voicenet.com> References: <970912073031_1795682208@emout05.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 22:58:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: New software Resent-Message-ID: <"RYGdWB.A.ASD.SQNH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/519 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:27:33 -0700 X-UIDL: f35ba540da242c6c3c7d2cb26f27aa8c At 11:48 AM -0400 9/14/97, Floyd Miller wrote: >At 10:31 PM 9/13/97 -0700, Kim wrote: >> >>Since I'm going to the trouble, anything specific you would like to have in >>the upgrade docs? >> > >Yes - where to get the upgrade, user-installable. you should be able to order direct from Gibson/Oberheim, 510-635-9633 or 800-279-4346. presumably they sell it as eproms ready to install. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Sep 14 23:56:47 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 14 23:27:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xAUdN-0004Aa-00; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:27:45 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33CACCF3.6F582EEF@ccnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 22:58:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex upgrade Resent-Message-ID: <"CowvxD.A.2SD.VQNH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/520 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:27:45 -0700 X-UIDL: 7f1d24fa3abf81d3d0e92d21592c08b0 Roland said: >Kim or anyone... > >I just acquired a used plex...and on power up the software version shows >3.0 >Is there any problem upgrading to the new v 5.0? or do I have to acquire >3.2 first? you can go straight to 5.0, no need for 3.2. >Can anyone confirm that Gibson has these upgrades in stock and ready to >ship? I'm not sure if the customer service people have them ready in Nashville. They were supposed to have them ready by now, so if they don't they are very close. I know they were programming a big lot of chips a couple of weeks ago for it. Call them to check or put your order in, 510-635-9633. (that's actually an Oakland number but it should automatically redirect you to OB customer service in Nashville.) There is also an 800 number, 800-279-4346, probably goes to the same place. > >Also..and I know this has been answered before probably but, as far as >upgrading >memory goes...is there any problem using 4x9 (parity) 30 pin simms (60 >ns)? no problem, that should be fine. 4x8, 4x9, parity, non-parity, 2 chips, 3 chips; all should work. >(is it possible for any older device to have architecture too slow to >keep up with >newer faster memory chips?)...Seems like all I can find are these newer >60ns parity chips...about $80 bucks for 16 megs on four simms...is that >a decent price? sounds like a good price to me. >will these new fast chips work appreciably better than some older 100 ns >3 chip non parity simms? I KNOW there must be some used or NOS 30 pin >simms out there >but I aint finding them. They should work the same. If some dealer ever tries to sell you special "echoplex" simms, or simms in "matched pairs," or any sort of simm that is claimed to produce better quality audio and therefore is more expensive, please laugh at him for me. Then tell him he is an idiot. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Sep 14 23:56:51 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 14 23:44:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xAUts-0005FN-00; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:44:48 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:41:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: looping voice ideas Resent-Message-ID: <"sMdRE.A.kvE.xiNH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/521 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:44:48 -0700 X-UIDL: 4c2bbee30134a70952ffb36620b88342 At 12:51 AM -0400 9/15/97, Russell Gorton wrote: >4) I like looping tv voices and playing them backwards. Classic ambient >technique...nothing like good old backwards play! It worked for the >Beatles AND Judas Priest! Hey! We didn't put reverse in there so you could easily make satanic records like those evil heavy metal bands, why I......oh, wait....yes that is why we put reverse in there. never mind.... ;-) hmm, wonder where my Slayer records are..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Sep 15 09:50:07 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 15 01:51:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xAWsY-0001rk-00; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 01:51:34 -0700 Reply-To: "Stefano Voulaz" From: "Stefano Voulaz" To: Subject: R: FS VORTEX Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:37:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Message-Id: <19970915103642.0d8463bc.in@mail.korg.it> Resent-Message-ID: <"Nu3xt.A.nhB.9YPH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/522 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 01:51:34 -0700 X-UIDL: 0ee612d4ca39d80f1f284e0afb184f55 Hi Bruce! Interested in selling your Vortex to Italy? I'm looking for one, but here is VERY hard to find... Please let me know. Ciao! Stefano (The Uncle) 8^)# From ???@??? Mon Sep 15 09:50:09 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 15 06:06:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xAarc-0001LE-00; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 06:06:52 -0700 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: looping voice ideas Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:06:57 +0200 Message-ID: <19970915130655046.AAB166@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"7vlgMC.A.b9.9FTH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/523 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 06:06:52 -0700 X-UIDL: 27ae1cdf06251c6a1074da24d59c54cc Hi all Some days ago I've suggested to my singer to try out a pedal effects chain (boss type) VS a rack mounted iper mega ultra clean studio enhanced effect. For radical use there's no better. And suggesting him to add a digital delay/reverb (from boss, don't remember the name) with 2 secs of looping capabilities to his distortion, flanger, etc. pedals, I've opened him the door to a whole new universe. He just phoned me with enthustiastic words while a dense, growing voice loop was running through his house stereo system. What a satisfaction.... ciao leo PS any news for updated EUROplexes??? From ???@??? Mon Sep 15 09:50:10 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 15 07:33:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xAcD4-00043Q-00; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:33:06 -0700 Posted-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:16:34 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970915151702.00729768@pop.stud.ntnu.no> X-Sender: eriklj@pop.stud.ntnu.no X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:17:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Erik Ljones Subject: more questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"55qjS.A.4XD.FXUH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/525 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:33:06 -0700 X-UIDL: 2cefd5e6c0856d9b4bc446984ee9436b Could someone please pick up a copy of Robert Fripps Radiophonics soundscape, and tell what is going on on track #5? I kind of like it. Saw an add for a jamman the other day. Is bying it a good idea when I'm already getting an Echoplex? Do these units work well together? I'm not really in a hurry, so I was wondering if waiting for another Echoplex to come by is a better thing to do? How is syncronization of the units done in these two cases? Also, I'm under the impression that the music of David Torn is worth checking out. Could someone please recomend a good starting point? Thanks. Erik Ljones (Norway) From ???@??? Mon Sep 15 09:50:12 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 15 08:01:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xAceZ-0005nY-00; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 08:01:31 -0700 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F0486D2@MAIL> From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Echoplex Questionnaire results -- soon! Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:06:23 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"zqJ2gB.A.WBF.9wUH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/526 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 08:01:31 -0700 X-UIDL: fa0cb6127ff9ea94cc15872087d8df67 Hello from questionnaire tabulation central. And thank you to the 48 who responded to the Echoplex DP questionnaire I submitted on Thursday. Now, I promised to post the results today - but after spending quite a bit of time on it this weekend, I'm going to ask your indulgence of a day or two more so I can finish what I've started - I'm so close to done! What's causing the delay is I've tried to write a report deliverable to managers at Gibson. The sample of 48 cases is quite small, so the study can only be fairly used to indicate trends. However, let me lay on you a few findings, just to give you an idea of what can be gleaned. A. Looper Device Market Penetration I'll let the chart speak for itself Q5a. Please list the other Loopers you own? No. Devices % Devices Owned Owned Oberheim Echoplex DP 13 14.6 All Lexicon Total 47 52.8 All Digitech Total 11 12.4 All Eventide Total 5 5.6 All Boss Total 2 2.2 All Other Total 11 12.4 Grand Total 89 100.0 Number of Devices Owned Percent of Owned Loopers Oberheim Echoplex DP 13 14.6 All Lexicon Total 47 52.8 All Digitech Total 11 12.4 All Eventide Total 5 5.6 All Boss Total 2 2.2 All Other Total 11 12.4 Grand Total 89 100.0 And separately, Looking at the 23 JamMan owners, 9 (39.1%) would buy EDP at $700. Looking at the 14 Vortex owners, 8 (57.1%) would buy EDP at $700. Looking at the 10 Digitech looping device owners, five (50%) would buy EDP at $700 Looking at the 21 people who own more than one looping device (other than an EDP), 10 (47.6%) would buy EDP at $700. Looking at the 10 people who own more than two looping devices (other than an EDP), 7 (70.0%) would buy EDP at $700 OK - so I'll try and get the final report to you all ASAP. And if anyone has names and FAX numbers for the Gibson managers in charge of the EDP, please let me know. David Kirkdorffer From ???@??? Mon Sep 15 10:49:57 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 15 10:36:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xAf4T-0001ha-00; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:36:25 -0700 Posted-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:58:26 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970915175902.00719578@pop.stud.ntnu.no> X-Sender: eriklj@pop.stud.ntnu.no X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:59:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Erik Ljones Subject: Re:EUROplexes( was: looping voice ideas) In-Reply-To: <19970915130655046.AAB166@Default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"JtKjTB.A.AFB.6CXH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/528 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:36:25 -0700 X-UIDL: ed49b281db76eee9ebb90cfe7530c022 Leonardo wrote: >PS any news for updated EUROplexes??? According to the people at Gibson, back ordered Echoplexes will (quote) "hopefully" be shipped to Europe from USA by the end of this month. This is the same thing they said last month, the month before that, 3 months ago...I wouldn't get my hopes up. I'm sure the demand for Echoplexes is so big in the United States, that by the time they get to think of us European Loopers, there won't be any left. I hope to be proven wrong on this though... Erik (Norway) From ???@??? Mon Sep 15 11:48:19 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 15 10:58:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xAfPm-0003c0-00; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:58:26 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:51:03 -0700 From: Arthur Gatesy Message-Id: <199709151751.KAA15902@cds9373.Cadence.COM> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Echoplex DP Overdub Problem Cc: amg@cds9373.Cadence.COM Resent-Message-ID: <"YlJA-.A.ivC.PWXH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/529 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:58:26 -0700 X-UIDL: 39ec23f0de4ff5980213a4054943b0a9 My echoplex digital pro seems to be stuck in overdub mode - has anyone else seen this problem? The echoplex (about 3 months old) worked fine until a few days ago. After recording a loop, everything else I play ends up as an overdub (without hitting any buttons). I've reset the parameters to the factory defaults and double-checked the OverdubMode parameter, but their settings seem OK. I called Oberheim technical support this morning, and they recommended Wizard Electronics in Atlanta (I'm in northern CA). Has anyone dealt with this place? Thanks, -Art Gatesy From ???@??? Tue Sep 16 00:19:08 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 15 11:57:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xAgKs-0000Hg-00; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:57:26 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Torn suggestions Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:49:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 14 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: <"k1Zvn.A.mAH.mNYH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/530 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:57:26 -0700 X-UIDL: 75b75c4772e8d0094f39f344742461bf >>>>>quote>>>> >Also, I'm under the impression that the music of David Torn is worth >checking out. Could someone please recomend a good starting point? Thanks. > >Erik Ljones (Norway) > > <<< From ???@??? Tue Sep 16 00:19:09 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 15 12:17:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xAgdy-00029y-00; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 12:17:10 -0700 Message-ID: <19970915190820.28260.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.99] From: "Joseph Buck" To: John_Ott@ATK.COM, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Torn suggestions Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 12:08:20 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"jm1zID.A.0UB.ofYH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/531 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 12:17:10 -0700 X-UIDL: 088dafbc7a3d079e5f293d78e979c6a7 actually I think What Means Solid, Traveller? crushes everything in its wake.... salam kidlets, buckness >>Also, I'm under the impression that the music of David Torn is worth >>checking out. Could someone please recomend a good starting point? Thanks. >> >>Erik Ljones (Norway) >> >> ><<< >My favorite Torn CD is "Cloud About Mercury" >"Polytown" is good as well. > >> > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue Sep 16 00:19:14 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 15 13:14:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xAhXl-000765-00; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:14:49 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:07:38 -0700 (PDT) From: The Man Himself To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Torn suggestions In-Reply-To: <19970915190820.28260.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"hmqLgB.A.9_F.IWZH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/532 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:14:49 -0700 X-UIDL: 75a2f5429799966646901b60c414e612 Torn's albums are all quite different, and no two sound very similar. _What Means Solid, Traveller_ is probably the most... well, _most_ overall in terms of the depth and breadth of the music therein. _Cloud About Mercury_ is probably the album he's most widely associated with, and is a close runner-up in my book. _Door X_ generally gets a bad reputation due (mainly) to its song-oriented slant and glossy production, but I actually quite like the record, and it has some of Torn's finest recorded guitar playing on it (IMO). For looping content, I'd say _Traveller_ and its immediate predecessor, _Tripping Over God_, are the best places to look. Looping seems to play a more fundamental role in the compositional aspects of the pieces on these records than in past endeavors. --Andre From ???@??? Tue Sep 16 00:19:20 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 15 14:25:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xAieS-0005Sn-00; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:25:48 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:33:10 -0400 From: "Paul J. Dresher" Subject: Info on Echoplex upgrade availability To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199709151633_MC2-208C-D035@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"xU6E9B.A.EIE.WXaH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/534 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:25:48 -0700 X-UIDL: 44df5ccb157f136dae83f0060a152e50 Echoplex Upgraders: I just spoke with Pat Murphy at Oberheim/Gibson Customer Support in Nashville. Upgrade PROMs appear to be in transit in the move from Oakland back to Nashville. He thought about a week or so. They won't take credit cards so they need a cashiers check or money order made out to Oberheim, $45 per upgrade and mailed to: Gibson Attn: Pat Murphy 1818 Elm Hill Pike Nashville, TN 37210 If anyone knows an easier/quicker way to get the PROMs, please let me know. Paul Dresher From ???@??? Tue Sep 16 00:19:17 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 15 13:50:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xAi6U-0002QL-00; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:50:42 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:44:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Rik Elswit Message-Id: <199709152044.NAA20656@well.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex DP Overdub Problem Resent-Message-ID: <"Jswl3D.A.4qB.p4ZH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/533 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:50:42 -0700 X-UIDL: ac3b2342de71c379347b2cb34c58d76d "My echoplex digital pro seems to be stuck in overdub mode - has anyone else seen this problem? The echoplex (about 3 months old) worked fine until a few days ago." Do the functions work properly when you use the panel buttons rather than the footpedal. If so, the problem is in your pedal. I sent my echoplex back to the factory because it was having similar problems. Their response was to hold onto it for three weeks and then send it back when I screamed loud enough. It was still screwed up, but using a friend's pedal shoed me that it was a pedal problem. Rik Elswit Bananas at Large 415-457-7600 From ???@??? Tue Sep 16 00:19:21 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 15 14:39:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xAire-0007Aj-00; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:39:26 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970915213922.008d62a8@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:39:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex DP Overdub Problem Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"l8mbN.A.IvF.YkaH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/535 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:39:26 -0700 X-UIDL: a061b1ec54e95bc63a063a8bd046fbbe re Arthur's broken overdub problem: My first thought was that you had it in delay mode without realizing, but since you reset the parameters to default, that's not it. You could tell if it is a problem with the footswitch or a front panel button by the LED's on the front panel. If the Overdub LED is red all the time, than overdub is indeed stuck on and one of the switches is a likely culprit. Probably you would have trouble with other switches if that were the case. If the Overdub LED is not red, then you have a different problem. In that case I would suspect that the VCA part has gone bad somehow. That's a likely one actually because the manufacturer of that part recently shipped a whole bunch of faulty components to Oberheim, partly resulting in the most recent production delays. The bad ones were carefully weeded out, so it shouldn't be a problem, but it is possible that a part could be close to the edge and get worse as it ages. It is also possible that corrosion in the socket for the VCA could cause this problem, but it's doubtful in a unit only 3 months old. (I saw that once in a unit that had been in a smoker-inhabited studio for a couple of years) You asked about Wizard electronics...they do contract repair work for many companies in the music industry. I think Oberheim has recently started using them as well. So far as I know they are a competent shop, but I've never dealt with them before. If you send your unit there, point them toward the VCA or the switches. And Rik, welcome to Looper's Delight! kim At 01:44 PM 9/15/97 -0700, Rik Elswit wrote: >"My echoplex digital pro seems to be stuck in overdub mode - >has anyone else seen this problem? The echoplex (about 3 months old) >worked fine until a few days ago." > >Do the functions work properly when you use the panel buttons rather than >the footpedal. If so, the problem is in your pedal. I sent my echoplex >back to the factory because it was having similar problems. Their response >was to hold onto it for three weeks and then send it back when I screamed >loud enough. It was still screwed up, but using a friend's pedal shoed me >that it was a pedal problem. > >Rik Elswit >Bananas at Large >415-457-7600 > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Sep 16 00:19:28 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 15 16:50:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xAku8-00004f-00; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:50:08 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:33:47 -0700 From: Arthur Gatesy Message-Id: <199709152333.QAA16191@cds9373.Cadence.COM> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex DP Overdub Problem Resent-Message-ID: <"C-QY6C.A.rmF.jXcH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/536 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:50:08 -0700 X-UIDL: 3f32b3e5c72427802d5f49a3df9f1c4e kim and Rik, Thanks very much for your input on my overdub problem. It sounds like the VCA problem, since no LEDS are on. Oh well, off it goes to Atlanta! -Art Gatesy > re Arthur's broken overdub problem: > > My first thought was that you had it in delay mode without realizing, but > since you reset the parameters to default, that's not it. > > You could tell if it is a problem with the footswitch or a front panel > button by the LED's on the front panel. If the Overdub LED is red all the > time, than overdub is indeed stuck on and one of the switches is a likely > culprit. Probably you would have trouble with other switches if that were > the case. > > If the Overdub LED is not red, then you have a different problem. In that > case I would suspect that the VCA part has gone bad somehow. That's a likely > one actually because the manufacturer of that part recently shipped a whole > bunch of faulty components to Oberheim, partly resulting in the most recent > production delays. The bad ones were carefully weeded out, so it shouldn't > be a problem, but it is possible that a part could be close to the edge and > get worse as it ages. It is also possible that corrosion in the socket for > the VCA could cause this problem, but it's doubtful in a unit only 3 months > old. (I saw that once in a unit that had been in a smoker-inhabited studio > for a couple of years) > > You asked about Wizard electronics...they do contract repair work for many > companies in the music industry. I think Oberheim has recently started using > them as well. So far as I know they are a competent shop, but I've never > dealt with them before. If you send your unit there, point them toward the > VCA or the switches. > > And Rik, welcome to Looper's Delight! > > kim > > > At 01:44 PM 9/15/97 -0700, Rik Elswit wrote: > >"My echoplex digital pro seems to be stuck in overdub mode - > >has anyone else seen this problem? The echoplex (about 3 months old) > >worked fine until a few days ago." > > > >Do the functions work properly when you use the panel buttons rather than > >the footpedal. If so, the problem is in your pedal. I sent my echoplex > >back to the factory because it was having similar problems. Their response > >was to hold onto it for three weeks and then send it back when I screamed > >loud enough. It was still screwed up, but using a friend's pedal shoed me > >that it was a pedal problem. > > > >Rik Elswit > >Bananas at Large > >415-457-7600 From ???@??? Tue Sep 16 00:19:38 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 15 21:18:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xAp5S-0005m5-00; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:18:06 -0700 Message-Id: Subject: jammidimystery Date: Tue, 16 Sep 97 00:12:11 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Phil Diem To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"QY00QB.A.ZaE.EYgH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/538 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:18:06 -0700 X-UIDL: 70371e438143f77049873a0eb96ef854 Has anyone else had problems brothersyncing two jammen via midi? Yesterday I converted to midi control by connecting a DMC Ground Control (v2.4) to two jammen. I programed the GC to transmit on ch 1 and loaded the presets to send the correct midi program change numbers. When I tap in a loop: 1. sometimes jam #1 starts recording solo and when I tap out #2 starts recording immediately 2. sometimes they both start recording together on the first tap (this is how I expected things to work) 3. sometimes #2 doesn't start recording until the third tap (with #1 layering). There seems to be no predictable pattern and I never know which sequence I'll be dealing with until I get into it. And unfortunately, reset works fine and resets both units simultaneously. Tonight, I unhooked the GC but left the jammen brothersynced, and tried using the lexicon footswitches to control them. Surprise! The lexicon switches didn't work properly either. Tap out required 3-7 taps before recording would stop and the loop would start playing??? I tried switching the sync cable; in to out on #1, and out to in on #2, no change. I tried a different midi cable and still no change. When I went back to no midi cable - unsynced - the lexicon footswitches worked properly. The GC also works fine with either jamman individually. So I don't have a clue as to what's going on, or why. Any helpful suggestions will be very much appreciated! Phil From ???@??? Tue Sep 16 00:19:31 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 15 17:31:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xAlXf-0004qC-00; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:30:59 -0700 Message-Id: <199709152312.UAA09790@server1.cyberia.net.ar> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "The Negative Eye" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 00:04:58 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Subject: Studio Quad Reply-to: juma@cyberia.net.ar Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.52) Resent-Message-ID: <"PUhn8C.A.GgD.7DdH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/537 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:30:59 -0700 X-UIDL: abb94039081fa943525e4cb7076efee8 Hello Loopers, Could anyone tell me the specifications (n¼FX's, I/O,delaytime,etc), of the Digitech Studio Quad ? What's the difference between the "normal" and the V2? I tried to enter digitech's site, but it's framed, and then I cannot retrieve it with email (I don't have online). Thanks a lot in advance, Juan Manuel Aguirre aka ->thE negativE eyE -->negativE visioN --->negativE imagE From ???@??? Tue Sep 16 09:40:34 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 16 06:29:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xAxgk-0000wk-00; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 06:29:10 -0700 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C290F0521@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: jammidimystery Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:06:33 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"deOZVC.A.gb.ChoH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/539 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 06:29:10 -0700 X-UIDL: 320bdd5a32a70387193e228091db770b Hi Phil, I have a few questions for you:Are the JAMMANs MIDI connections connected in series or in parallel? If they are in series have you tried reversing the order of the two to see if the symptom changes? When the JAMMANs are set up in series the first machine will provide a master clock to the second one which in turn will define the length of the loops. When the JAMMEN are set up this way a second tap command sent to the second(SLEVE) machine will be ignored because it already knows how long it's loop will be. I would be happy to help you sort this out. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone 617-280-0372 FAX 617-280-0499 > ---------- > From: Phil Diem[SMTP:pdiem@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 1997 12:15 AM > To: GHogan@lexicon.com > Subject: jammidimystery > > Has anyone else had problems brothersyncing two jammen via midi? > > Yesterday I converted to midi control by connecting a DMC Ground > Control > (v2.4) to two jammen. I programed the GC to transmit on ch 1 and > loaded > the presets to send the correct midi program change numbers. When I > tap > in a loop: 1. sometimes jam #1 starts recording solo and when I tap > out > #2 starts recording immediately 2. sometimes they both start recording > > together on the first tap (this is how I expected things to work) 3. > sometimes #2 doesn't start recording until the third tap (with #1 > layering). There seems to be no predictable pattern and I never know > which sequence I'll be dealing with until I get into it. And > unfortunately, reset works fine and resets both units simultaneously. > > Tonight, I unhooked the GC but left the jammen brothersynced, and > tried > using the lexicon footswitches to control them. Surprise! The lexicon > switches didn't work properly either. > Tap out required 3-7 taps before recording would stop and the loop > would > start playing??? > I tried switching the sync cable; in to out on #1, and out to in on > #2, > no change. I tried a different midi cable and still no change. When I > went back to no midi cable - unsynced - the lexicon footswitches > worked > properly. The GC also works fine with either jamman individually. > > So I don't have a clue as to what's going on, or why. Any helpful > suggestions will be very much appreciated! > > Phil > > From ???@??? Tue Sep 16 09:40:52 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 16 07:03:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xAyEH-0002r0-00; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 07:03:49 -0700 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F0486E5@MAIL> From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Any thoughts for Gibson Mgt? Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:57:36 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"EhNWeD.A.xUC.HBpH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/540 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 07:03:49 -0700 X-UIDL: 1d8cbc9f870c9755ad68e5a6bfb59035 Hi Do you want to share communicate something about the Oberheim EDP to managers at Gibson? As I'm sending a package to Gibson soon, I thought others may have things they would like to share / communicate with Gibson managers. I can add them as a separate bundle of printouts. Reply to: dkirkdorffer@exapps.com I hope to be back to actual looping and maybe even a discussion about MUSIC soon! david From ???@??? Tue Sep 16 21:15:22 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 16 11:05:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xB1zX-0003OM-00; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:04:51 -0700 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:54:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Rik Elswit Message-Id: <199709161754.KAA24352@well.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Oberheim is moving Resent-Message-ID: <"m7DFIB.A.fKC.BgsH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/542 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:04:51 -0700 X-UIDL: 92dcdc9ac5dac18a5a1f32ab5aba7ead As a dealer, let me add to Ed Drake's post about Pat Murphy and Oberheim. For the first time in almost a year, I have somone from Oberheim calling me with information and updates. I used to have to call the company 5 and 6 times just to get someone to call me back an tell me they don't have any news for me. I have the feeling that things are turning around over there. From ???@??? Tue Sep 16 21:15:23 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 16 11:07:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xB21X-0003cw-00; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:06:55 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970916105933.007b58d0@pmail1.csuhayward.edu> X-Sender: sgresham@pmail1.csuhayward.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) X-Priority: 2 (High) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:59:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Scot Gresham-Lancaster Subject: Re: Any thoughts for Gibson Mgt? In-Reply-To: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F0486E5@MAIL> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"R3sUW.A.hlC.sjsH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/543 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:06:55 -0700 X-UIDL: 0113aac14de2be34a102ff3ca69d2fab At 09:57 AM 9/16/97 -0400, you wrote: >Do you want to share communicate something about the Oberheim EDP to >managers at Gibson? I have been a lurker on this list for a 6 months or so, but events of yesterday have lifted my cloaking device. On a tip from a friend, I went by the now defunct offices of Oberheim in Oakland. They are in the process of moving the entire operation to the main office of Gibson in Nashville. This goes a long way to explaining the delays that everyone has been experiencing. All the echoplex business both on paper and actual units (including the new ROMs and the new run of Echoplex Digital Pro units) are in transit to their new home in Nashville. End of Story. (Hopefully) If Gibson has any business sense, and I am sure they do, they will feverishly shipping and filling orders as soon as the new set up is in place. I should note that if production would have continued in Oakland there would have been a fresh shipment of Echoplexes earlier this month by way of Oakland. This means that the units are assembled and tested and just waiting processing to be shipped. So hold tight. If in two weeks they don't have this sorted out, then I would recommend going berserk. With regards to thoughts about Gibson's management. I think it is a pity that Tom Oberheim, through no fault of his own, lost control of his company. I worked at Oberheim in the late 70's and have great deal of respect for Tom as a designer and innovator. This is a case where the pitbull aspect of global economics sucks and works to no ones advantage. Tom genuinely cared about the products he helped develop in an ineffible way that respected the bottom line, but, ultimately, put music making first. First with the move from LA and now this one to Nashville we see the legacy of this concept weakened. Gibson must, of course, keep the profit margin in sight with each of these decisions, but what will make this division thrive and be profitable is the infusion of integrity and just "giving a good god damn" that makes anything of worth rise above the rest. Scot Gresham-Lancaster < Composer, Performer, Instrument Designer, Consultant, Educator > ph: 510-885-3150 fax:510-885-3146 email: scot@csuhayward.edu www: http://tesla.csuhayward.edu/~scot (click on my picture there to get a bio) The market place is where greedy people cooperate. A community takes imagination....Robert Haas From ???@??? Tue Sep 16 21:15:02 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 16 10:20:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xB1IX-00065g-00; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:20:25 -0700 X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F0486E5@MAIL> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 13:15:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Oberheim is moving Resent-Message-ID: <"UpkTIB.A.KrE.f2rH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/541 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:20:25 -0700 X-UIDL: 4c10aa2d897f2b63a422640716423378 Paul Drescher posted this to LD: >I just spoke with Pat Murphy at Oberheim/Gibson Customer Support in >Nashville. Upgrade PROMs appear to be in transit in the move from Oakland >back to Nashville. He thought about a week or so..... I also just talked to Pat at Oberheim and he gave me more info. Oberheim is closing the Oakland, CA facility and moving everything back to Nashville, which he said should result in better service etc, after a little down time to set everything back up. He said part of the problem with service and info about Plexes in the past was because of lack of or mis-communication between Customer Service in Nashville and the plant in Oakland, CA so with everything under one roof maybe the right hand will now know what the left hand is doing. As someone who has had a Plex on order since April 1st (Am I a fool or what? ;-) he asked me to please be patient. I guess all of this sounds like good news but we'll have to see how it shakes out. Also he said Dean Fouts is working full time for Slingerland Drums, so he is no longer at Obie Customer Service. I guess the contact person is Pat now. . Later Ed From ???@??? Tue Sep 16 21:15:37 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 16 19:09:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xB9YM-0005JN-00; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:09:18 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:24:07 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: jammidimystery Resent-Message-ID: <"j274T.A.0QE.mnzH0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/544 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:09:18 -0700 X-UIDL: da9caf80b0b76ad4308ed3e07e03f816 >Has anyone else had problems brothersyncing two jammen via midi? > > I had a similar problem a last week. Having picked up a third jam man, I wanted to be able to set up two of them on the same MIDI channel so that, at least theoretically, I could capture the stereo effects off of my Vortex, and or Filterbank, or my partners Eventide. However when I used the MIDI out of either jam man I ran into the same situation when triggering from a Digitech PMC-10. The first tap would start the first jam man. The next tap would start the second. I did not have a lot of time to explore other options, so I let it go any light that Greg or others could shed on this is appreciated..... Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Tue Sep 16 21:15:38 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 16 19:50:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBACE-0001X4-00; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:50:30 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970917025105.008e3c70@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:51:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: jammidimystery Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"OYXTK.A.ny.rO0H0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/545 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:50:30 -0700 X-UIDL: 6985bc11de11a834323257920347f1e6 I had always heard that the jamman wasn't capable of this sort of stereo hookup, presumably for the reasons you guys are discovering. Does anyone know if that is true? BTW, I think it's cool that the "BrotherSync" term is drifting free of the echoplex and becoming a generalized word. It's a good term, invented by Matthias. Properly though, it means that none of the machines is a master, and none a slave. All are Brothers, and any can define the beat. Classic Matthias.... kim At 08:24 PM 9/16/97 +0200, Patrick Smith wrote: >>Has anyone else had problems brothersyncing two jammen via midi? >> >> > >I had a similar problem a last week. Having picked up a third jam man, I >wanted to be able to set up two of them on the same MIDI channel so that, >at least theoretically, I could capture the stereo effects off of my >Vortex, and or Filterbank, or my partners Eventide. However when I used the >MIDI out of either jam man I ran into the same situation when triggering >from a Digitech PMC-10. > >The first tap would start the first jam man. The next tap would start the >second. I did not have a lot of time to explore other options, so I let it >go any light that Greg or others could shed on this is appreciated..... > >Patrick > > > *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Wed Sep 17 22:02:27 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 17 20:46:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBXYH-0006uR-00; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:46:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199709180343.XAA25096@satie.arts.usf.edu> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V97 #154 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 97 23:45:03 -0500 x-sender: malone@arts.usf.edu x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: malone To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"LOd5HB.A.zHG.1MKI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/550 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:46:49 -0700 X-UIDL: 28eb0f309dd0e6178c1abe63d8e37b5e Hello Everyone, I just wanted to say that I have finally received my new Echoplex, and I couldn't be happier. I am coming from the JamMan "camp", by no means a disastisfied customer from Lexicon, rather I wanted to give the 'plex a try based on everything I've heard. I was surprised to see how easy and friendly the interface was. I had a manual to preview before it came, and was concerned that with so many options, it would be difficult to use. Not at all. I was up and running in minutes. I've only just begun to experiment with it, but my initial contact with it has been great. SM From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 11:03:10 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 09:08:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBj7r-0004aV-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:08:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199709181602.MAA21427@satie.arts.usf.edu> Subject: Looping Philosophy Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 12:04:36 -0500 x-sender: malone@arts.usf.edu x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: malone To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"g8WdFD.A.N0D.PCVI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/563 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:08:19 -0700 X-UIDL: 2e44cad925e047e8924bc1408c8578c5 Many of us have written to the list, or at least considered why looping is of such interest to us, so I'd like to try and address a small portion of that interest. Part of what intrigues me, is the notion of process in Looping, as well as the 'music' or materials of Looping existing in layers. Every kind of music, from pop to classical to punk etc. exists in layers; there are those elements close to the surface (melodies, riffs etc) and those things that have a larger and more background function (structure, form etc.) The foreground is the easiest to perceive, while the background is more difficult, and all the while they have a relationship to one another. For example, a technique that Bach would often employ involved tonal areas which reinforced the tonic triad of the piece. For example, if the piece was in C major, there would be tonal areas of C major, E minor and G major - which outlined the tonic triad. This shows a relationship between the background and the foreground, though we don't necessarily perceive those key areas as a reinforcement of the tonality. In the counterpoint of Bach, particularly fugal writing, the compositions are a result of process; of manipulating melodies superimposed on top of each other. There are many ways of developing these melodies (which I won't go into to prevent boring you *completely* to tears) which we perceive as either background or foreground events. When we loop, we are creating layer after layer. After that very first germ of an idea we put down, immediately our brains seek out order (or disorder) and try to build upon what's been previously recorded. It's an *active* type of composition; it's real-time. Once we put it down, there's no going back. And there's also the excitement of not really knowing how it will come out. All of us here have at one time or another have sat back and marveled at a loop we've created. Every time the cycle passes we hear something different. I think part of what we experience is the perception of these layers at different times and points of reference. It's a sort of musical Mobius strip that seems to have only one surface, but many dimensions. These layers provide a sense of depth and meaning, and I believe that is a part of the attraction to Looping. If anyone is interested in continuing this privately, my Masters Thesis dealt with many of these issues, culminating in decidability problems in music analysis. (though looping was not involved....but there's always a Ph.D.....) The title is "A Connection Between Schenkerian Analysis and Godel's Theorem: The Urlinie as Formally Undecidable." I am fascinated by musical perception, and this notion of 'why we Loop" is no less intriguing. There are many other factors for sure; things like making music with a machine, the tenuous nature of the loop (though with enough electricity, could go on forever). I'm interested in hearing why others out there find Looping interesting. SM From ???@??? Wed Sep 17 10:26:57 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 17 10:23:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBNpO-0002rp-00; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:23:50 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19970916105933.007b58d0@pmail1.csuhayward.edu> References: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F0486E5@MAIL> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 X-Priority: 2 (High) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:13:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Any thoughts for Gibson Mgt? Resent-Message-ID: <"iDaN3D.A.x-B.7BBI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/546 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:23:50 -0700 X-UIDL: 0e30c1d5780625aae0e6fd608b8dc087 >At 09:57 AM 9/16/97 -0400, you wrote: >>Do you want to share communicate something about the Oberheim EDP to >>managers at Gibson? > >I have been a lurker on this list for a 6 months or so, but events of >yesterday have lifted my cloaking device. On a tip from a friend, I went by >the now defunct offices of Oberheim in Oakland. Did you score any good deals on the furniture? I got office chairs, bookshelves, metal storage cabinets with Oberheim stickers on them, adjustable lab chairs, and other good stuff. Live/work space heaven. It was going cheap.... >They are in the process of >moving the entire operation to the main office of Gibson in Nashville. yup. I talked to them the other day. They are indicating that this is a serious effort to turn things around at Oberheim, so we'll see. >With regards to thoughts about Gibson's management. I think it is a pity >that Tom Oberheim, through no fault of his own, lost control of his >company. I worked at Oberheim in the late 70's and have great deal of >respect for Tom as a designer and innovator. This is a case where the >pitbull aspect of global economics sucks and works to no ones advantage. >Tom genuinely cared about the products he helped develop in an ineffible >way that respected the bottom line, but, ultimately, put music making >first. First with the move from LA and now this one to Nashville we see the >legacy of this concept weakened. Gibson must, of course, keep the profit >margin in sight with each of these decisions, but what will make this >division thrive and be profitable is the infusion of integrity and just >"giving a good god damn" that makes anything of worth rise above the rest. Tom is a really great guy. I've gotten to know him fairly well over the last year. (oddly enough, I met him after leaving gibson. By some cosmic coincidence we worked together at Chromatic Research.) His story is quite tragic, and it has been repeated quite a few times in the music industry. Synthesizer pioneers mostly, for some reason. To be fair, Tom actually lost the company to his own lawyer, through some seriously evil financial arrangements. The lawyer then sold it to Gibson some time later. Gibson hasn't ever figured out how to make Oberheim succeed, hopefully the third time is the charm. It would be nice if Tom could get something out of it someday. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Sep 17 22:01:34 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 17 12:44:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBQ1A-0007Gw-00; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:44:08 -0700 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C290F05C9@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Sellon, Bob" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: jammidimystery Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:20:35 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"s_FLkD.A.vGG.3FDI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/547 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:44:08 -0700 X-UIDL: e3566f6dfc9ccda7ed1530a21df84558 Phil, I'm not familiar with the term "brothersync". Are both systems sending sync information to eachother? Regardless, the JamMen can't be configured to cleanly work in stereo. Unfortunately, it was not considered when the product was spec'd and designed, wasn't tested in-house and apparently doesn't work. When asked about this before, the only suggestion I could come up with was to feed the MIDI commands to the two independent systems in parallel and run them open loop. The lock in this configuration is coarse at best however due to the lack of a synce between systems and the latency of the system's response to incoming MIDI commands. It's been a few years since I looked at it but I suspect that using MIDI commands could decrease the responsiveness/resolution by as much as 10ms (it may very well be less) compared to standard JamMan resolution of 0.5ms. With 10ms of slop, it won't take long to hear the delta. In the best possible case, the systems will never be locked at a sample level so there will always be drift and you will not get proper stereo imaging (even briefly I suspect). Regarding the odd behavior; I suspect that, as Greg Hogan suggested, the second system is attempting to slave to incoming MIDI clock so it ignores or misinterprets the second tap. During product development there were precious few systems available so not a whole lot of multi-unit testing was done. Apparently systems are not supposed to "soft" thru MIDI data but we added it in fairly late in development anyway so that 2 JamMen could be used together without a MIDI merger/splitter (albeit not in stereo). Part of the problems with trying to cascade the JamMen (brothersync?) is that the CPU in JamMan that handles MIDI (a measly 4MHz Z80) also has to manage the realtime looping without missing a beat. The audio and MIDI clock are the highest priorities so MIDI thru operations can be delayed (the aformentioned 10ms). I wish I had better news but thats the way it is. Sorry. Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec > ---------- > From: Phil Diem[SMTP:pdiem@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 1997 12:15 AM > To: bsellon@lexicon.com > Subject: jammidimystery > > Has anyone else had problems brothersyncing two jammen via midi? > > Yesterday I converted to midi control by connecting a DMC Ground > Control > (v2.4) to two jammen. I programed the GC to transmit on ch 1 and > loaded > the presets to send the correct midi program change numbers. When I > tap > in a loop: > > 1. sometimes jam #1 starts recording solo and when I tap out > #2 starts recording immediately > > 2. sometimes they both start recording > together on the first tap (this is how I expected things to work) > > 3.sometimes #2 doesn't start recording until the third tap (with #1 > layering). > > There seems to be no predictable pattern and I never know > which sequence I'll be dealing with until I get into it. And > unfortunately, reset works fine and resets both units simultaneously. > > Tonight, I unhooked the GC but left the jammen brothersynced, and > tried > using the lexicon footswitches to control them. Surprise! The lexicon > switches didn't work properly either. > Tap out required 3-7 taps before recording would stop and the loop > would > start playing??? > I tried switching the sync cable; in to out on #1, and out to in on > #2, > no change. I tried a different midi cable and still no change. When I > went back to no midi cable - unsynced - the lexicon footswitches > worked > properly. The GC also works fine with either jamman individually. > > So I don't have a clue as to what's going on, or why. Any helpful > suggestions will be very much appreciated! > > Phil > > From ???@??? Wed Sep 17 22:02:26 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 17 19:13:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBW5z-0000xr-00; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:13:31 -0700 Message-Id: Subject: RE: jammidimystery Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 22:12:58 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Phil Diem To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"kY_XMB.A.kj.M0II0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/549 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:13:31 -0700 X-UIDL: 64326dbe1fb3b0755e130b6a197dfb01 Bob, In reply to my ongoing problems trying to get my two Jamthings to buddy up via midi connection you wrote: >I'm not familiar with the term "brothersync". Are both systems sending >sync information to eachother? As I am now begining to more fully understand the term, which Kim Flint credits Matthias Grob with coining, yes - no slave, no master, brothers. Apparently the Echoplex has the capability to interact in this manner. >Regardless, the JamMen can't be configured to cleanly work in stereo. >Unfortunately, it was not considered when the product was spec'd and >designed, wasn't tested in-house and apparently doesn't work. Why does page 21 of the Jammanual contradict this statement? (This is a rhetorical question. I do not disbelieve your statement, nor do I believe that you are in any way responsible for what is printed in the manual.) >When asked about this before, the only suggestion I could come up with was to >feed the MIDI commands to the two independent systems in parallel and run >them open loop. The lock in this configuration is coarse at best however >due to the lack of a synce between systems and the latency of the >system's response to incoming MIDI commands. Could both be paralleled to one external clock for sync lock and then run on open loop independantly? >It's been a few years since >I looked at it but I suspect that using MIDI commands could decrease the >responsiveness/resolution by as much as 10ms (it may very well be less) >compared to standard JamMan resolution of 0.5ms. With 10ms of slop, it >won't take long to hear the delta. In the best possible case, the >systems will never be locked at a sample level so there will always be >drift and you will not get proper stereo imaging (even briefly I suspect). I think that few of us loopers would argue that the drift which results from looping unsynced can be extraordinarily beautiful at times but I, at least, have found that it can be equally annoying at other times. As for increased time lag using midi control, I seem to recall several people on the list reporting improvement when they switched from the Lexicon footswitches to midipedal. Personally, I haven't noticed any difficulty with the midi signals arriving late. My problem seems to be that the signals are not always interpreted the same way/correctly. >Regarding the odd behavior; I suspect that, as Greg Hogan suggested, the >second system is attempting to slave to incoming MIDI clock so it >ignores or misinterprets the second tap. During product development >there were precious few systems available so not a whole lot of >multi-unit testing was done. Apparently systems are not supposed to >"soft" thru MIDI data but we added it in fairly late in development >anyway so that 2 JamMen could be used together without a MIDI >merger/splitter (albeit not in stereo). This answers my last statement, and my original post. >Part of the problems with trying to cascade the JamMen (brothersync?) >is that the CPU in JamMan that handles MIDI (a measly 4MHz Z80) also >has to manage the realtime looping without missing a beat. >The audio and MIDI clock are the highest priorities so MIDI thru >operations can be delayed (the aformentioned 10ms). Is the CPU upgradeable? >I wish I had better news but thats the way it is. Sorry. Has Lexicon responded to your proposal for licensing the code? If this happens (the upgrade) can/will any of these problems be addressed? Both Greg Hogan, Lexicon Customer Service and Bob Sellon, Stech/Lexicon have been extremely responsive and helpful? ;-) in my time of need. In this respect Lexicon is way ahead of many other companies, who still "just don't get it." It's really great that Greg and Bob are on the list! Thanks guys. I'll just keep noodling around until I come up with something that works for me (or until plexs finally arrive). Phil From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 00:49:53 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 00:39:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBbBN-0004Uw-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 00:39:25 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 00:33:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: music Resent-Message-ID: <"E7XVEC.A.b9D.1mNI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/551 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 00:39:25 -0700 X-UIDL: 4e7c13ee8450742262acb877b20e1dea So, once again the list has gone off the gear deep-end, which is ok, everyone has those questions sometimes and we're all a bunch of closet gear-nerds anyway. Certainly better than the "who's better guitarists, dj's, or bassoonists" flame fest a while back. But after a while gear gets damned tedious, and we kind of forget that this is all really about music. So how about we pull up some music oriented topics again? So how about this, what music are you all listening to these days? Which artists are inspiring you for looping or otherwise? If I go to the record store on Saturday, what should I get? Here's another one we haven't delved into for a long time: What is it about looping that makes it interesting, fun, musical? Why do we want to do it? Why does it show up in so many types of music? Is it something in human nature, learned from culture, what? Also, it's getting darned embarrassing that the Loop Artists section of the web site has 0 on it. Which artists belong there? And even more important, does anyone want to volunteer to do anything about that? Maybe take on that section? Looper's Delight exists through the good efforts of many people who volunteer a little or a lot of time. Anything will help, learn html for the loop cause.... ok, now discuss..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 11:02:12 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 01:08:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBbdf-0005wM-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:08:39 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 04:05:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Dubofsky To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: music In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"0SGWoD.A.3XF.CDOI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/552 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:08:39 -0700 X-UIDL: f0052609f7ac8f609059bafc0433ac90 > > So how about this, what music are you all listening to these days? Which > artists are inspiring you for looping or otherwise? If I go to the record > store on Saturday, what should I get? Besides the occasional Eno or Fripp nothing loop related here:) > > Here's another one we haven't delved into for a long time: What is it about > looping that makes it interesting, fun, musical? Why do we want to do it? > Why does it show up in so many types of music? Is it something in human > nature, learned from culture, what? Why do I do it. Because it's just so damn addictive. It's one of the few musical activities that I can do for hours on end. One thing I like is how I can make a big sound by my lonesome, spontaneosly, no need to fire up my computer, sequencer, sundries( unless I want to). I like how I never repeat myself, every loop session is unique. I find listening to loop based music almost instinctive, it hits me deep in my brain, not my hips or gut. I dunno, I just like it. steve d Avoid using Skullsaw in excessive heat or humidity or where he may be affected by direct sunlight or dust http://www.gti.net/skullsaw From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 11:02:13 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 01:23:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBbrj-0006Wv-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:23:11 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:20:01 -0700 (PDT) From: The Man Himself To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: music In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"kElkM.A.06F.vQOI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/553 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:23:11 -0700 X-UIDL: 4f5c123bdc00d8ae02b6cd829cbafb76 On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Kim Flint wrote: > So, once again the list has gone off the gear deep-end, which is ok, > everyone has those questions sometimes and we're all a bunch of closet > gear-nerds anyway. Up until the last bit ("we're all...") I thought you might be talkig about something *completely* different. But that's a whole 'nother subject ENTIRELY. > So how about this, what music are you all listening to these days? Which > artists are inspiring you for looping or otherwise? If I go to the record > store on Saturday, what should I get? Two CDs I've really enjoyed lately are the new Photek, _Modus Operandi_, and an album by a guy who goes by the moniker of Squarepusher called _Hard Normal Daddy_. The Photek album I didn't like at first; I thought it was a serious letdown after the _Hidden Camera_ E.P., but it's starting to grow on me. It definitely has to be dealt with on its own terms. The Squarepusher album is similar to the _Richard D. James_ album by Aphex Twin, except the whimsical classical elements of that disc are replaced on _HND_ by '70s-style fusion moves a la Jaco Pastorious and Weather Report (the guy behind Squarepusher is one mean bassist on top of his programming). Like the Aphex Twin disc, it's one of the few sample-based records I've heard that seems to warrant the term "virtuosic." These are both very recent jungle/drum 'n bass albums; Photek tends towards sparse, detached, almost chilly minimalism and precision, while the Squarepusher disc is a much more splatter-oriented affair, constantly changing points of view and shifting gears. Photek is regarded as one of the elite junglists, often regarded as being beyond reproach (in those circles anyway) and Squarepusher is sort of the "bad boy"/love him or hate him member of that crowd, so they're both good listening for those (like me) who are trying to get into drum 'n bass but who have been a bit disenchanted by the lighter, more ambient side of the music (a la LTJ Bukem, etc). The Photek album just came out last week; the Squarepusher material is only available on import, so far as I know. (See, Kim? I *told* you I like this stuff! 8-P ) --Andre From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 11:02:18 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 01:47:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBcFg-0007c4-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:47:56 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C290F05C9@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 05:45:42 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: RE: jammidimystery Resent-Message-ID: <"Bet03C.A.s5G.NoOI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/554 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:47:56 -0700 X-UIDL: 1efd70eb482e075557c7d01e2d99b105 Bob wondered: >I'm not familiar with the term "brothersync". Are both systems sending >sync information to eachother? Yes, its an open collector line and all member of the family wait for the slowest one to stay together. Matthias From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 11:02:18 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 03:27:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBdoQ-00037e-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 03:27:54 -0700 Message-Id: <11052.199709181022@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:22:52 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD) Subject: Re: music Resent-Message-ID: <"1GMFBC.A.nsC.xEQI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/555 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 03:27:54 -0700 X-UIDL: 7fe864ff57f60d7f749816a3319458c2 >So how about this, what music are you all listening to these days? Which >artists are inspiring you for looping or otherwise? If I go to the record >store on Saturday, what should I get? Sorry, I'm listening to Wes Montgomery right now.... great music, not too much looping! >Here's another one we haven't delved into for a long time: What is it about >looping that makes it interesting, fun, musical? It's the most fun you can have on your own! >Also, it's getting darned embarrassing that the Loop Artists section of the >web site has 0 on it. Which artists belong there? And even more important, >does anyone want to volunteer to do anything about that? I think I offered this one a little while ago... I suggested to Kim that at least what was required were links to webpages supporting loop artists - ie links to Ton's page, Elephant Talk, etc etc. If we collect these together I'll HTMLise them. Send them to me with the heading FOR LOOP PAGE or somethin else in CAPITALS so I can see 'em better. Michael From ???@??? 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Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5927 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 1997 08:37:47 -0000 Received: from Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com by netaddress.usa.net via mail-rover (2.0) on Thu Sep 11 02:37:47 1997 Status: U Received: from ferret (mail@ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by imap1.asu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.2 (bhk 10/09/96)) with SMTP id HAA01008 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 07:19:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8R8U-0003Wd-00; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 07:19:22 -0700 Message-ID: <01BCBD09.A0DE2680@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Modular Looping Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:17:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RE8SiD.A.P3C.AmVF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/427 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: signals@IMAP1.ASU.EDU Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 07:19:22 -0700 Hi David, Tell us how you use your VCS3. Also, which pitch to voltage convertor do you use? Thanks, Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ---------- From: Julia & Dave[SMTP:jndk@colba.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 1997 1:00 PM To: Looper's Delight Subject: Modular Looping Hi, I am kinda new to the list, but I've visited all your Web sites and I was just wondering if there are any of you out there who loop synthesizers. I loop using a Delta Lab Effectron III, Lexicon JamMan, and use a Roland SDE-330 Dimensional Space Delay to sweeten the lot, but my sources are mostly EMS VCS-3 and custom modules. The closest I come to guitar looping is using a bass thru a pitch to voltage converter as a controller. To make matters even stranger, Robert Fripp is my main influence. Seeking kindred folk, D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N "The most remarkable aspect of today's artistic environment is the coexistence of so many centuries at the same moment." --- Joel Chadabe (1971) P.S. Thank you for turning me on to the Vortex, I have ordered one which shall be in my rack tomorrow night. From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 11:02:20 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 03:29:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBdqJ-0003H4-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 03:29:51 -0700 X-From_:MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 18 03:29:40 1997 Received: from pop01.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.132] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBdq4-0003Db-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 03:29:36 -0700 Received: (qmail 7860 invoked for bounce); 18 Sep 1997 10:29:55 -0000 Old-Date: 18 Sep 1997 10:29:55 -0000 From: MAILER-DAEMON@pop01.netaddress.usa.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: failure notice Message-Id: X-Diagnostic: Mail to stick@psn.net bounced 2 times X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 03:29:51 -0700 X-UIDL: d33bbf4e60ee970f7bae2bef7b3a6e3b Hi. This is the qmail-send program at pop01.netaddress.usa.net. 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Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5930 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 1997 08:37:48 -0000 Received: from Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com by netaddress.usa.net via mail-rover (2.0) on Thu Sep 11 02:37:47 1997 Status: U Received: from ferret (mail@ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by imap1.asu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.2 (bhk 10/09/96)) with SMTP id HAA01630 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 07:26:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x8RFh-0004Jh-00; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 07:26:49 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:19:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Dubofsky To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Re: Modular Looping In-Reply-To: <199709091401.KAA09204@mail.colba.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"RTVhuD.A.pVD.9rVF0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/428 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: signals@IMAP1.ASU.EDU Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 07:26:49 -0700 > > I am kinda new to the list, but I've visited all your Web sites and I was > just > wondering if there are any of you out there who loop synthesizers. For years my looping setup was primarily a Kork MonoPoly and two reel to reels. The decks are gone as is the Korg but synths are my primary instuments. I recently got a CS1x that has an abundance of realtime control and am awaiting the arrival, hopefully today, of a 4 second Korg Delay. An expressive synth is a must, knobs and realtime control and such. > I loop using a Delta Lab Effectron III, Lexicon JamMan, and use a > Roland SDE-330 Dimensional Space Delay to sweeten the lot, but my > sources are mostly EMS VCS-3 and custom modules. The closest I come > to guitar looping is using a bass thru a pitch to voltage converter as a > controller. > > To make matters even stranger, Robert Fripp is my main influence. As far as instumental loops go Bobby Boy is and Eno are it for me as well. steve d skullsaw must be applied directly to the stain http://www.gti.net/skullsaw From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 11:02:49 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 06:23:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBgYj-0000cZ-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 06:23:53 -0700 Message-ID: <01BCC415.1A70F920@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: Re: Music Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:27:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"iH1YaD.A.9K.rpSI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/557 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 06:23:53 -0700 X-UIDL: de431642054499b9ed819cf5dda90938 >Kim wrote: >So, once again the list has gone off the gear deep-end, which is ok, >everyone has those questions sometimes and we're all a bunch of closet >gear-nerds anyway. Certainly better than the "who's better guitarists, >dj's, or bassoonists" flame fest a while back. But after a while gear gets >damned tedious, and we kind of forget that this is all really about music. >So how about we pull up some music oriented topics again? >So how about this, what music are you all listening to these days? Which >artists are inspiring you for looping or otherwise? If I go to the record >store on Saturday, what should I get? I've been listening to: - "Beatles Anthology 2" - It contains insights into shaping a bare bones composition into a finished work of art and an interesting pre-historic loop on "Tomorrow Never Knows." - "Ginger Baker Trio 2" - No looping, but interesting interplay between Frisell, Charlie Haden and Ginger Baker. - "Brown Album" by Primus - Man, how can you play so weird and sell so many records? Also, Larry LaLonde is one of the most under-rated guitarists ever. - "Earthling" by David Bowie - Reeves Gabrel sure makes some interesting sounds with his Roland VG-8. And it's always nice to hear interesting compositions in which the guitar part contributes to the song and not to the player's ego. >Here's another one we haven't delved into for a long time: What is it about >looping that makes it interesting, fun, musical? Why do we want to do it? >Why does it show up in so many types of music? Is it something in human >nature, learned from culture, what? Sometimes I like to make long (32 second) loops with my Jamman. However, I've recently disconnected it from my rig and have been concentrating on short loops (1.8 seconds or lesss) or programming weird effects with my Vortex. I like to loop because there appear to be no musicians in the Detroit area who are interested in forming a Top-40 band that makes money. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 11:02:53 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 07:10:06 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBhHR-0003BF-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 07:10:05 -0700 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F048708@MAIL> From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro -- Market Demand & Availability Stu dy Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:50:40 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"trMxED.A.8lC.eUTI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/558 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 07:10:05 -0700 X-UIDL: ddd1d2807a1d5984fafbfbff2376a659 Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro Market Demand & Availability Study September 18, 1997 Echoplex Digital Pro Market Demand Study A. Introduction & Situation Looping can be described as a process in which a musician plays a musical phrase which a "Looping Device" then repeats continuously. In many ways Looping is similar to Sampling, however it differs from Sampling in that Looping is more "real-time" oriented. Looping also implies a real-time ability to add other phrases with a "sound on sound" capability. In this way, complex, multi-layered musical pieces can be produced by an individual. Artists very actively using Looping techniques in their music include: * The Orb * Neal Schon from Journey. * Robert Fripp * David Torn * Phil Keaggy * Chet Atkins * Bill Frisell * dj spooky Increasingly popular styles of music such as ambient, electronica, and dance, which use repeated musical phrases and make much use of technology, are helping to increase the popularity of Looping technology and Looping tools. The Echoplex Digital Pro looping delay rack mount effect unit is one of very few such units currently available. It is notable for the possible length of its loops (up to 3 minutes, 18 seconds) and depth of looping features offered to musicians at a price of about a US$700 +/- 10% price range. Others looping products actively being produced and also on the market include more high-end and expensive units by Eventide, TCElectronics, and the cheaper Phrase Sampler by Boomerang. While a new product from Korg is expected in October 1997, other looping-specific products such as the Lexicon JamMan and various Digitech units have been discontinued. However, while the Echoplex Digital Pro is highly regarded, it is impossible to find in retail outlets. B. Study Goal The goal of this quick and dirty study was not well thought through initially - but generally aimed to understand the demand for the Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP) rack mount looping delay effect unit. The perception under investigation is the Echoplex Digital Pro is a very desirable but impossible to purchase Looping rack-mount effect unit. This study tries to examine this perception and identify what makes the Echoplex so sought after. C. Questionnaire Design A questionnaire was very quickly conceived (less than five minutes) on the morning of Thursday 10th September. The study instrument consisted of 12 questions - eight Yes/No and four open-ended measures. A copy of the questionnaire can be seen in Appendix V. D. Sample and Methodology On Thursday 10th of September, 1997 the questionnaire was issued on the Internet to the readers of Loopers-Delight. Loopers-Delight is an on-line e-mail listserve read by individuals with an interest in discussing aspects of music and technology based around loops and looping The questionnaire was self-administered by respondents who were given until Friday at 4:00pm EST to send in their responses. Two questionnaires arrived shortly enough after the deadline that they could be included. A total of 48 completed questionnaires were collected. E. Data Collection and Data Entry Respondents were asked to e-mail their completed questionnaires to a central e-mail address. Data was codified and results were tabulated on paper and entered into an Excel Spreadsheet. Open-ended responses were typed into a Word document. F. Caveats and Warnings The overall sample of 48 cases is quite small. Howver, this study can be used to indicate the direction of key trends. The one key piece of information would quantify the overall size of the market interested in looping devices. With that number in hand the following results could be used to make some fairly general market estimations. G. Summary of Key Findings The following section summarizes the most notable findings from the study. Information from this sample indicates the Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro is indeed very hard to find. Nevertheless respondents consider it to be the preeminent Looping device currently on the market. People indicate the EDP's chief attributes is the available length of looping time and the features available to control aspects of the loop. 1. Market Penetration of Various Looping Devices The Looping effect device market is not very crowded with competing vendors. * Three companies - Lexicon, Oberheim and Digitech - dominate the looping market together accounting for almost 80% of all looping devices sold. * The Lexicon company dominates the Looping device market with 52.8% of all units sold. * Despite the fact it is no longer available, the JamMan unit has most successfully penetrated this market, accounting for 30.3% of all looping devices units sold - over twice the success of the EDP. * Sales of the EDP account for 14.6% looping units owned. 2. EDP Visibility & Availability Information from this sample indicates the Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro is indeed very hard to find. * Only 54.2% of the Loopers-Delight sample have ever actually seen an EDP. * And fifty-percent of people who have ever seen an EDP, actually own an EDP. * Almost everyone (92%) interested in Looping who has not tried an EDP, wants to try an EDP. * Exactly 75% of all respondents indicate they have searched for an EDP. * Almost two-thirds (61%) of people who have looked for an EDP indicate they would buy one at $700 retail. This indicates there are willing customers for an EDP if one could be located. * Availability of the EDP has been significantly better in the product's "home area" indicating some kind of distribution problem. * Almost 40% of EDP owners live within 80-90 miles of Oakland. And 54% of all the EDP owners also live between Los Angeles and Berkeley, California. * Some respondents added some information about their searches for an EDP. One individual claims he's been looking for two years, another says he's called over 35 dealers with no luck and a two others says they have units on order since January 1997 (nine months) and early June 1997 (four months). 3. EDP Customer Conversion However, indications are that once a person tries an EDP, they are very likely to buy an EDP. * Seventy-six percent (76.4%) of those who have tried an EDP indicate they also own an EDP. This can be interpreted to testify that three-quarters of those who try an EDP go on to buy an EDP. 4. EDP Sales Opportunities & Purchase Interest Two questions gauge respondent interest in buying an EDP. The first of the two does not specify a price or location, the second does. * When asked, 75% of the total sample answer 'Yes" to the question "Do you want to buy an EDP?" * Looking at existing EDP owners separately, 69.2% indicate they want to buy another EDP. This points out a possible market for additional sales of EDP's to existing EDP owners, if they were contacted. * It is also interesting to note 73.9% of JamMan owners testify they want to buy an EDP. * When asked the question "If one were available to you locally, would you buy an EDP? (assume a retail price w/foot pedal approximately = $700 +/- 10%)," 58.1% of respondents indicate they would. This is a lower percentage than when price is not specified, demonstrating some level of price sensitivity among respondents. * Looking at existing EDP owners separately, 46.2% indicate they want to buy another EDP locally tomorrow if priced at $700 +/- 10%. Again, this confirms a sizable market for additional sales of EDP's to existing EDP owners, if they were available. This may mean that contacting 1000 existing EDP owners (from user supplied warranty card information) via direct mail with an offer to buy another EDP could instantly yield orders for sales of 462 EDP additional units. * In fact There is a substantial opportunity to sell the EDP to existing owners of any looping device. That is to say ownership of other Looping devices does not seem to preclude a respondent's desire to also own an EDP. Of the JamMan owners, 39.1% would buy EDP at $700, while 57.1%of the Vortex owners would buy EDP at $700. Similarly 50% of the Digitech looping device owners would buy EDP at $700. 5. EDP Strengths * The two most cited reasons for wanting to buy an EDP are, "Depth of Looping Controls / Features" (28.6%) and "Extended / Longer loop time" (25.7%). * However, on the whole, the number one reason for wanting to buy an EDP is it's perceived as the "Best Overall Looper" cited by 34.2% -- which comes from combining the answers "Better than JamMan" (17.1%) and "I Hear It's The Best Looper Right Now" (17.1%). H. Detailed Findings The following section focuses on the results of each question individually. Because of it's importance, where material the results of each question is associated with the results of Q7 "If one were available to you locally, would you buy an EDP (assume a retail price w/footpedal approximately = $700 +/- 10%). Q1. Have you ever seen an Echoplex DP? Only 54.2% of the Loopers-Delight sample have ever actually seen an EDP. Though a few more indicate they have seen the product in a picture on a web-site (as the question did not explicitly exclude "in pictures only" it may be even fewer respondents actually have seen an EDP in real life). Given the chosen research sample's predilection toward seeking out looping tools and technology, the fact almost half of the respondents have never seen an EDP is testimony to the scarcity of the EDP's at retail stores. It is interesting to note 13 of the 26 respondents - 50% -- who indicate they have seen an EDP also own an EDP. Q1. Have you ever seen an Echoplex DP? Number Percent Yes 26 54.2 No 22 45.8 Total 48 100.0 Q2. Have you ever tried an Echoplex DP? Two-thirds of respondents have not tried an EDP. In fact, subtracting the 13 respondents who indicate owning an EDP, only 4 of 33 or 12% -- or about one in ten people interested in looping tools - have actually tried an EDP. Another interesting fact revealed is 76.4% of people who tried an EDP, have bought an EDP. (13 people bought an EDP of the 17 people who tried the product). Q2. Have you ever tried an Echoplex DP? Number Percent Yes 17 37.0 No 29 63.0 Total 46 100.0 2a. Would you like to try an Echoplex DP? Of the respondents who have not tried an EDP, 86.2% indicate they would to try an EDP. Looking at the four individuals who do not want to try an EDP, two indicate owning a JamMan looping device and one owns a Vortex unit, with a short looping capability (both products are by Lexicon). However, two of these four who do not want to try an EDP (those without the JamMan) indicate in Q7 they would BUY an EDP tomorrow were one available locally at US$700 retail. So, subtracting these two paradoxical cases from the sample, 92.6% of respondents (25 of 27) who have not tried an EDP, would like to try an EDP. 2a. Would you like to try an Echoplex DP? Number Percent Yes 25 86.2 No 4 13.8 Total 29 100.0 Q3. Have you tried to find/looked for an EDP? Exactly 75% of all respondents indicate they have searched for an EDP. Of the 12 who have not looked or tried to find an EDP, nine indicate owning a JamMan, and one owns an EDP. Of the 36 people who have looked for an EDP, 22 indicate in Q7. they would BUY an EDP tomorrow were one available locally at US$700 retail (Q7). That is to say, almost two-thirds (61%) of people who have looked for an EDP would buy one at $700 retail. Q3. Have you tried to find/looked for an EDP? Number Percent Yes 36 75.0 No 12 25.0 Total 48 100.0 Q4. Do you currently own an EDP? Less than one-third (27.1%) of the sample owns an EDP. Of the 13 people who do, 77.0% (10) cite owning another device with some kind of looping capability. Notably, six of these existing EDP owners (46.2%) also indicate they would buy another EDP at $700. Of the 35 respondents who do not own an EDP, 19 (54.3%) indicate in Q7 they would buy an EDP at $700 retail. Q4. Do you currently own an EDP? Number Percent Yes 13 27.1 No 35 72.9 Total 48 100.0 Owners of EDP's were also asked how many they currently own - which in every the case of every respondent was just one. Q.5 Do you currently own other looping tools? Eighty-five percent of respondents indicate they own some kind of looping tool. Of the seven people who do not currently own looping tools, six (85.7%) indicate in Q7 they would buy an EDP at $700 retail. 5. Do you currently own other looping tools? Number Percent Yes 40 85.1 No 7 14.9 Tota1 47 100.0 Q5a. Please list the other Loopers you own? An open-ended question asked respondents to list the looping devices they currently own. The table below summarizes results. A more detailed tally is presented in Appendix I. As can be seen, the Lexicon company dominates the Looping device market with 52.8% of all units sold. Looking at the detailed results presented in Appendix I, it can be seen the JamMan unit has most successfully penetrated this market, accounting for 30.3% of all units sold - twice the success of the EDP. Taken together, the Lexicon JamMan, Lexicon Vortex and Oberheim EDP account for 60.6% of looping devices sold. Q5a. Please list the other Loopers you own? Number Percent Oberheim Echoplex DP 13 14.6 All Lexicon Total 47 52.8 All Digitech Total 11 12.4 All Eventide Total 5 5.6 All Boss Total 2 2.2 All Other Total 11 12.4 Grand Total 89 100.0 Ownership of other Looping devices does not seem to preclude a respondent's desire to also own an EDP. Of the 23 JamMan owners, 9 (39.1%) would buy EDP at $700, while 8 (57.1%) of the 14 Vortex owners would buy EDP at $700. Similarly 50% of the Digitech looping device owners would buy EDP at $700. Looking at the 21 people who own more than one looping device (other than an EDP), 10 (47.6%) would buy EDP at $700. And examining the 10 people who own more than two looping devices (other than an EDP), 7 (70.0%) would buy EDP at $700. EDP Demand Among Owners of Looping Devices Number of people who own this device Number of people with this device who would buy an EDP at $700 Percent of people with this device who would buy an EDP at $700 Own a Jamman 23 9 39.1 Own a Vortex 14 8 57.1 Own Any Digitech Device 10 5 50.0 Own more than one device 21 10 47.6 Own more than two devices 10 7 70.0 Q6. Do you want to buy an EDP? Two questions gauged respondent interest in buying an EDP. This is the first of the two and does not specify a price or location. When asked the Question 6. "Do you want to buy an EDP?" 75% of respondents indicate they do. Looking at existing EDP owners only, 69.2% indicate they want to buy another EDP. This points out a possible market for additional sales of EDP's to existing EDP owners, if they were contacted However, of the total 36 who indicate wanting to buy an EDP, a smaller number of 25 (69.4%) indicate they would buy an EDP tomorrow if it were available locally at US$700 +/- 10%. Respondents were not asked to explain why they would not buy an EDP, but it is reasonable to assume some amount of price sensitivity when the $700 price is mentioned. Again, looking at these 36 more closely, 17 (47.2%) already own a JamMan and 11 (30.5%) already own a Vortex. Another way of saying this is, of the total 23 JamMan owners, 17 (73.9%) want to buy an EDP. And 11 (78.6%) of the 14 Vortex owners want to buy an EDP. Of the nine who are not interested in buying an EDP, 3 (33.3%) already own an EDP; four (44.4%) indicate owning a JamMan Q6. Do you want to buy an EDP? Number Percent Yes 36 75.0% No 9 25.0% Total 48 100.0 Q7. If one were available to you locally, would you buy an EDP? (assume a retail price w/foot pedal approximately = $700 +/- 10%) When asked the question "If one were available to you locally, would you buy an EDP? (assume a retail price w/foot pedal approximately = $700 +/- 10%)," 58.1% of respondents indicate they would. This is a lower percentage than when price is not specified, presumably demonstrating some level of price sensitivity among respondents. Looking at existing EDP owners only, 46.2% indicate they want to buy another EDP locally tomorrow at about $700 Again, this confirms a sizable market for additional sales of EDP's to existing EDP owners, if they were available. Of the 18 who say they would not buy an EDP at $700, 5 (27.7%) already own an EPD, and 12 (66.%) own a JamMan. Q7. If one were available to you locally, would you buy an EDP? (assume a retail price w/foot pedal approximately = $700 +/- 10%) Number Percent Yes 25 58.1 No 18 41.9 Total 43 100.0 Q8. Why do you want to buy an EDP? An open-ended question - Question 9 "Why do you want to an Echoplex?" was asked. Of the 36 people who said they want to buy an EDP, 35 people answered this question. Their responses are categorized and reproduced below. There appeared some definite patterns in the reasons people cited as why they want to buy an EDP. These have been grouped and aggregated. The two most cited reasons are, "Depth of Looping Controls / Features" (28.6%) and "Extended / Longer loop time" (25.7%). Two other smaller categories are quite similar, and combined into one group represent the single most prevalent reason why people want to buy an EDP. Combining the answers "Better than JamMan" (17.1%) and "I Hear It's The Best Looper Right Now" (17.1%) could make a new category - "Best Overall Looper" - accounting for 34.2% of cited reasons for buying an EDP. See Appendix II for a listing of verbatim responses. Q9. Why do you want to buy an EDP? Code & Grouping Number Percent* 1. Extended / Longer Loop Time 9 25.7 2. Depth of Looping Controls / Features 10 28.6 3. Sampling Rate / Frequency Response 4 11.4 4. I Hear It's The Best Looper Right Now 6 17.1 5. Better than JamMan 6 17.1 6. I Want to /Love to Loop 8 22.9 7. Want Stereo / Polyrhythmic 5 14.3 8. Other 3 8.6 Total Valid Responses: 35 * (multiple responses allowed per respondent - therefore total percent can be more than 100%) Q9. What City and State are you in? Respondents were asked to name the city, state and country in which they live. Of the 48 people who responded to the survey, 41 live in the USA. It is interesting to note that 13 individuals (27.1%) live in California, and 10 live within 80-90 miles of Oakland, Oberheim's hometown. The fact so many people interested in looping devices live in the Oakland area and subscribe to Loopers-Delight is quite noteworthy. Looking at where EDP owners live 38.5% (5 of 13) live within 80-90 miles of Oakland. And as 53.8% (7 of 13) of all the EDP owners also live between Los Angeles and Berkeley, California, it is reasonable to believe availability of the EDP has been better in the product's "home area" underlining a distribution problem. A detailed listing of where respondents live is presented in Appendix III. Appendix I Q5a. Please list the other Loopers you own? Note: 43 people of the Total Sample of 48 have some kind of looping tool An open-ended question asked respondents to list the looping devices they currently own. The table below summarizes results. As can be seen, the Lexicon company dominates the Looping device market with 52.8% of all units sold. Looking at the detailed results presented in Appendix I, it can be seen the JamMan unit has most successfully penetrated this market, accounting for 30.3% of all units sold - twice the success of the EDP. Taken together, the Lexicon JamMan, Lexicon Vortex and Oberheim EDP account for 60.6% of looping devices sold. Devices Owners (Tot Owners=43) N % N % Oberheim Echoplex DP 13 14.6 13 30.2% Lexicon JamMan 27 30.3 23 53.5 Vortex 14 15.7 13 30.2 PCM-42 3 3.4 3 6.9 LXP-15II 2 2.2 2 4.7 LXP-5 1 1.1 1 2.3 Lexicon Total 47 52.8 - - Digitech RDS8000 3 3.4 3 6.9 Time Machine 2 2.2 2 4.7 GSP2101 2 2.2 2 4.7 RP-6 1 1.1 1 2.3 TSR24S 1 1.1 1 2.3 RDS 7.6 1 1.1 1 2.3 3.6 Delay 1 1.1 1 2.3 Digitech Total 11 12.4 - - Eventide H3500 2 2.2 2 4.7 H3000 1 1.1 1 2.3 GTR4000 1 1.1 1 2.3 DSX 1 1.1 1 2.3 Eventide Total 5 5.6 - - Boss Delay/Reverb 1 1.1 1 2.3 GT5 1 1.1 1 2.3 Boss Total 2 2.2 - - Other Zoom 506 1 1.1 1 2.3 Korg SDD2000 1 1.1 1 2.3 DeltaLabs CompuEffectron 1 1.1 1 2.3 Yamaha SPX1000 1 1.1 1 2.3 Roland DEP-5 1 1.1 1 2.3 Alesis Quadraverb 1 1.1 1 2.3 Paradis Loop Delay 1 1.1 1 2.3 Lisa Software 1 1.1 1 2.3 Tape Decks 1 1.1 1 2.3 Other Total 9 1.1 - - Grand Total Looping Devices 89 100.0 Owners 43 100.0 Appendix II Q.9 Why do you want to buy an EDP? Response Categories An open-ended question - Question 9 "Why do you want to an Echoplex?" was asked. Of the 36 people who said they want to buy an EDP, 35 answered this question. Their responses are reproduced below. Looking for patterns in reasons state for wanting to buy an EDP shows the two most cited reasons are "Depth of Looping Controls / Features" (28.6%) and "Extended / Longer loop time" (25.7%). However, as a whole, the number one reason for wanting to buy an EDP is it's perceived as the "Best Overall Looper" (34.2% -- combining the answers "Better than JamMan" (17.1%) and "I Hear It's The Best Looper Right Now" (17.1%)). Total Valid Responses: 35 N %*_ 1. Extended / Longer Loop Time 9 25.7 2. Depth of Looping Controls / Features 10 28.6 3. Sampling Rate / Frequency Response 4 11.4 4. I Hear It's The best Looper Right Now 6 17.1 5. Better than JamMan 6 17.1 6. I Want to / Love to Loop 8 22.9 7. Want Stereo/Polyrhythmic 5 14.3 8. Other 3 8.6 * (multiple responses allowed per respondent - therefore total percent can be more than 100%) Q.9 Why do you want to buy an EDP? Verbatim Responses - I love to loop, and the Echoplex offers more capabilities than other looping tools (e.g., JamMan). (6, 5) - I am interested in expanding my looping options. (8) - Fascinated with the possibilities, and this is the best tool for the job. (6, 4) - Extended delay time. (1) - Expandability...longer loops. (1) - When used with my first Echoplex and a drum machine, I'll be able to set up polyrhythmic loops which remain sync'ed to an external sources. (6, 7) - It's a great looping and compositional tool. (6) - I have one already, and since it is a wonderful, indispensable tool (instrument really), I would like another for stereo loops or for looping loops. (7) - Eventually, I want 2 (or more) units. (7) - To be able to create innovative looping music. (6) - More flexibility and functions (like 'undo') than JamMan, which I am currently using and enjoy. The two together will give me more options and multiple simultaneous looping capabilities. (2, 5, 7) - Because I have a secret plan to... (8) - Longer times, better sampling rate. (1, 3) - I had the chance to borrow a friend's for a month, and it's an amazing machine. I've been looking ever since. (6) - Great reviews... saw Pierre Benusan live using one...wow. Have been looking for 2 years. (6) - To go STEREO. (7) - It's currently the hottest of the boxes. I'm hoping Bob Sellon releases some SW for the JamMan soon though. (4) - What I do with the JamMan has changed the way I think about performance, music production (studio) and MUSIC IN GENERAL. To own a unit that has a bit more depth feature-wise, and slightly better sound quality (I'm mostly a studio buff), would be yet another step in a very natural direction for me in my craft. (2, 3, 5) - Extended sample time. (1) - Have. (8) - JamMan (etc) lack adequate real time control. (2, 5) - More loops, longer loops. (1) - Superior (from what I'm able to gather) to other long looping type tools available. (4) - More looping time, greater flexibility (1, 2) - Longer loop time, more features. (1, 2) - Best looping tool for my needs under 1k. (4) - I want to loop the sound from my guitar. (6) - It seems like it would be a superior looper to the Jammer! (5) - Well I want to try one first, but it's to have more control over delay time, feedback amount, overdubbing, etc. while I play. (2) - Depth of loop control, length of loop, sound quality. (1, 2 3) - To use in live performance as well as occasional recording. (I play fretless bass.) Important factors in my consideration were frequency response and sampling rate, extensive midi control capability, variable feedback, versatile and intuitive function parameters, software upgrades, inexpensive SIMM memory, and long loop time. (1, 2, 3) - Very flexible, deep machine, not just for looping. (2) - Because it's the best looping box. (4) - Loop feedback control, more realtime flexibility than JamMan. (2, 5) - It is (reputedly) at the forefront of looping technology. (4) Appendix III Q9. What city and state are you in? City Total State Total Birmingham AL 1 1 Alhambra CA 1 Berkeley CA 1 13 Chico CA 1 Cotati CA 1 Dublin CA 1 Los Angeles CA 1 Mount Hamilton CA 1 Santa Cruz CA 1 San Jose CA 1 San Mateo CA 1 San Francisco CA 3 Simi Valley CA 1 Bolder CO 1 1 Washington DC 2 2 Boca Raton FL 1 1 Augusta GA 1 1 Chicago IL 1 1 Allston MA 1 3 Boston MA 2 Columbia MD 1 3 Silver Spring MD 2 Ann Arbor MI 1 3 Grand Rapids MI 1 Shelby Twp MI 1 Orange NJ 1 2 Princeton NJ 1 Brooklyn NY 1 2 Ithaca NY 1 Cleveland OH 1 1 Corvallis OR 1 2 Portland OR 1 Austin TX 1 San Antonio TX 1 Houston TX 1 Glen Allen VA 1 'blank' Switzerland 1 1 Eskilstuna Sweden 1 1 Brisbane Australia 1 1 Toronto Canada 1 1 Cologne Germany 1 1 Glasgow Scotland 1 1 Tokyo Japan 1 1 Appendix IV Summary of Questionnaire Results YES NO TOTAL N % N % N % 1. Have you ever seen an Echoplex DP? 26 54.2 22 45.8 48 100 2. Have you ever tried an Echoplex DP? 17 37.0 29 63.0 46 100 2a. Would you like to try an Echoplex DP? 25 86.2 4 13.8 29 100 3. Have you tried to find/looked for an EDP? 36 75.0 12 25.0 48 100 4. Do you currently own an EDP? 13 27.1 35 72.9 48 100 4a. How many? AVERAGE: 1 13 5. Do you currently own other looping tools? 40 85.1 7 14.9 47 100 5a. Please list the other Loopers you own? See Appendix I 6. Do you want to buy an EDP? 36 75.0 9 25.0 48 100 7. If one were available to you locally, 25 58.1 18 41.9 43 100 would you buy an EDP (assume a retail price w/footpedal approximately = $700 +/- 10%) 8. Why do you want to buy an EDP? See Appendix II 9. What city and state are you in? See Appendix III Devices N % Oberheim Echoplex DP 13 14.6 All Lexicon Total 47 52.8 All Digitech Total 11 12.4 All Eventide 5 5.6 All Boss 2 2.2 All Other 11 12.4 --------------------------------------------------- Total Devices 89 100.0 Appendix V Echoplex Digital Pro Market Demand Questionnaire Q1 Have you ever seen an Echoplex DP? yes no Q2 Have you ever tried an Echoplex DP? yes no Q2a. Would you like to try an Echoplex DP? yes no Q3. Have you tried to find / looked for an Echoplex DP? yes no Q4. Do you currently own an Echoplex DP? yes no Q4a. How many? Q5 Do you currently own other LOOPing tools? yes no Q5a. Please list the other Loopers you own Looper Quantity Jam Man Boomerrang other? (list them!) Q6. Do you want to buy an Echoplex DP? yes no Q7. If one were available locally to you, would you buy an Echoplex DP tomorrow? yes no (Assume retail price w/footpedal approximately = US$700 +/- 10%) Q8; Why do you want to buy an Echoplex DP? Q9. What City, State, and Country are you in? Again, please send your replies ASAP to: dkirkdorffer@exapps.com I want to have all replies by Friday 12:00noon US East Coast Time. Some Looping Devices and WWW information sources. Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro: http://www.gibson.net/products/oberheim/ob2.html Boomerang Phrase Sampler: http://www.boomerangmusic.com/ t.c. electronic 2290 Dynamic Delay: http://www.tcelectronic.com/2290/2290.htm Eventide Model H3500 Ultra-Harmonizer: http://tide1.eventide.com/profaud/h3500bro.htm Eventide GTR4000 Guitar Pro Ultra-Harmonizer: http://tide1.eventide.com/profaud/gtr4000.htm From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 11:02:48 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 05:19:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBfYH-0007fZ-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 05:19:21 -0700 Message-Id: <199709181218.IAA31455@mail.colba.net> From: "Julia & Dave" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Old loopers never die, they just...(Re:music) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:16:38 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SD-6AC.A.2-G.stRI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/556 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 05:19:21 -0700 X-UIDL: fcec5286e9c94a6d373d7227b8c50c4a Hi, I may be banished for admitting this, but I haven't looped in a while. I just got bored with the "sampleness" of it all. Now, I prefer long delays, which technically speaking aren't really loops and synth drones that aren't going thru envelope generators. Droner's Delight? Hypnotic repetition is a bit more interesting when once in a few bars, a kink appears in the sound. This is perhaps what made tape echoes more interesting than digital delays. I understand that an infinite repeat switch is crucial in guitar based loop music, unless your instrument sustains forever, but I think that in order to make synth based looping more appealing, one must throw in a random element once in a while. Waxing, D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N "Echo is instant nostalgia." From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 11:03:08 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 09:00:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBj0H-0003sn-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:00:29 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:56:50 +0100 Message-ID: <0007CE29.001424@mail.bl.uk> From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) Subject: Re: music; and Looping near London (back around again) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"T0YNNC.A.EHD.o7UI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/562 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:00:29 -0700 X-UIDL: 4a389812437db4345678471b81813aff A brief announcement of my appearance at The Clock Tower Balcony Bar Croydon, UK 19-ix-97. 7-8pm support slot, playing prior to the main performance by Robin Williamson (ex ISB) in the Braithwaite Hall. Why Loop? I think its the immediacy of the results. Not waiting ages til the next group practice to find the `masterpiece' isn't that after all (not usually a surprise that, of course...). The whole `painting with sound' thing. As someone else noted, the fact that overall you never repeat yourself (even though each loop IS doing just that, I suppose) - though I may try to use the same components/compositional fragments/what have you, every loop is unlike the others. Who to hear? David Toop has a new album out, so new I forget the title, but which is ambient in an almost physical soundscape way as described in the Oceans of Sound book (blimey, that makes no sense at all). I cant/wont explain/describe it - but do try to get a listen of it. Photek I just bought today, and have high hopes for from the previous works of his I've heard. Roni Size and `New Forms' (I think) also has some moments (well on 2 CD's lasting a hour each, it should). I think Ben Neill has been mentioned before. This is one of my favourites from this area from the last little while. I think its because the trumpet adds a `human' element, and I think its the inclusion of `real time' instruments in the Toop album(s) (or at least the semblance of them) which appeals above the primarily sample-based D'n'B guys (though this is an somewhat fine distinction, I know) Enough David NB: 2 new .WAV loops added this week From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 11:03:11 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 09:12:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBjBb-00051b-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:12:11 -0700 Message-Id: <199709181604.JAA22656@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: music Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:07:41 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"aOiuIC.A.kPE.THVI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/564 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:12:11 -0700 X-UIDL: ae6c49f2d65f628324a0fdd9fab89c34 Why loop? Because there's always the potential of creating something beautiful and magic.....and then you turn your gear off and it's gone...but you really don't mourn it's loss (the loop) because you know the potential to do it again is still there...only in a different form. Matt From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 11:03:04 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 08:28:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBiUz-0000fY-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:28:09 -0700 Message-ID: <342156D5.4AD1DE5A@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:29:18 -0500 From: mark sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu Organization: metaliminal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Newbie alert! X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rDcesB.A.g.ucUI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/559 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:28:09 -0700 X-UIDL: f7ff209a20794f334c479fbe2e3bf4a8 Hello all, This is my first post to the Loopers Delight mailing list. I've been using a beefed up (32 sec) JamMan to do loop based music live for about 3 years. I currently play guitar/midi guitar in an ambient band called Sleeping and an experimental dance/techno project called Zero Crossing. (yes I bow to the Gods Fripp and Eno) Both are based in the Syracuse/Ithaca NY area. So here's my question: We're about to add a new member to Zero Crossing. He will be manning a sampler and has recently purchased a JamMan. I've been synching my JamMan, via MIDI, to the MIDI clock of an Ensonic TS-10 keyboard. So far no complaints, except the inability to synch to multiples of 5 and 7. Yeah, I know, get an Echoplex. I intend to take the MIDI out of the TS-10 and go through his JamMan into the keyboard's new Yamaha board (not sure which model) and then finally into my JamMan. Are we going to run into any synching problems? If so are there work arounds? My other question is what all this about jammidimystery? I've been running my JamMan in stereo since the beginning without a problem (I think?) Am I misunderstanding the problem? Be patient with me, I'm a newbie. Also, I'm contemplating trading up to the Echoplex. Any suggestions on what I might ask for my 32 sec JamMan? Anyone interested? Any used Echoplexes out there? What should I expect to pay for the Echoplex? I've seen the $560 price at the Loopers Delight webpage. Is this realistic? And for Kim, I haven't yet seen the name Bill Laswell here @ Loopers Delight. Much of his music involves looping and is quite beautiful. Look for stuff on his Axiom/Subharmonic label. -- -- Mark @ ¿??? IAMNOTHERE c From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 11:03:07 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 08:46:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBin7-0002Uz-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:46:53 -0700 Message-ID: <34215B56.DCA5D7D6@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:48:32 -0500 From: mark sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu Organization: metaliminal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Old loopers never die, they just...(Re:music) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199709181218.IAA31455@mail.colba.net> Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NQ70hB.A.EzB.tuUI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/560 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:46:53 -0700 X-UIDL: 98f423e9bd20620eb755ef85320752a5 I think that maybe the point behind looping is that you (the musician) is responsible for adding the unpredictable element. If you just played loops over and over with out any embellishment, things would get really boring very quickly. Also, if you have the ability to control the JamMan via MIDI, you can send a message for it to start fading as you are adding to it. It's very primitive (you are limited to short med. and long fade times) and not accessible via the front panel (what were they thinking?) but useful in keeping things "evolving" over time. Check out Steve Reich's early works. It's really beautiful minimalist tape stuff. -- -- Mark @ ¿??? IAMNOTHERE c From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 11:03:07 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 08:52:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBisI-00030N-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:52:14 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:51:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: music Resent-Message-ID: <"Prx6SB.A.-UC.mzUI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/561 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:52:14 -0700 X-UIDL: 806f9c53d533ccd5761bb7bc771e7462 Kim Flint wrote: >So how about this, what music are you all listening to these days? Which >artists are inspiring you for looping or otherwise? If I go to the record >store on Saturday, what should I get? > I've been listening to "As Is", by We, on Asphodel, quite a lot lately. They're part of the New York "illbient" scene. The first track mixes some very cool Rhodes piano loops with some extremely bass heavey (I mean really, the first drum kick made my stereo amp shut down the first time I played it) heavey drum 'n bass, it's almost like a d 'n b remix of "In A Silent Way". Also, Funki Porcini's "Love, Pussycats & Car Wrecks" is another recent fave. I really think that the jazz/drum 'n bass fusion thing is finally producing some mature works, with this disc and the recent Squarepusher stuff. Another very nice CD I've been listening to almost daily is Choying Drolma and Steve Tibbetts "Cho", on Rykodisc. Drolma is a Tibetan Buddhist nun, and she was recorded singing traditional songs at her monastery in the Himalayas. Then Tibbetts added various guitars and processing, with a few other western musicians on percussion and strings. This disc is not particularly loop-based, but it's deeply beautiful, Tibbetts displays remarkable restraint and respect for the source materials. Also, I've been pulling out my old lps of synthesizer music from the '60's a lot lately, Morton Subotnick's "Silver Apples of the Moon" and "The Wild Bull" in particular. I'm amazed at how advanced some of this stuff is, there's been very little synth music that approaches this, either sonically or compositionally, in the 30 years since it was recorded. >Here's another one we haven't delved into for a long time: What is it about >looping that makes it interesting, fun, musical? Why do we want to do it? >Why does it show up in so many types of music? Is it something in human >nature, learned from culture, what? > Jeez, Kim, why do you have to ask the hard questions, can't we just go back to talking about 3rd cousin sync? A few weeks ago, I found in a box of non-working music gear an Ibanez analog delay pedal I bought in 1979. This was my first "looping" device, I used it for, among other things, making my monophonic synths play chords by arpeggiatting them in time with the echos. I replaced a pot and put new batteries in it and it still works. I was always fascinated by the sound that remained after I stopped playing, it seemed to be an entity of it's own, and this led me to experiment with just about every delay technology, from tape looping to digital delays to samplers to the JamMan. Every once in a while, I come up with a loop so complete in itself that it just doesn't need anything else, and I'll leave it playing in the studio for hours, sometimes for days, checking in with it every now and again. Looping acts like a microscope looking into sound events. A loop lets you hear, through repetition, details of a small piece of sound that would have been missed when it was first sounded. Not all sounds can take this scrutiny, but when you find one that does, the effect is almost magical. Anyway, this is some of what keeps me looping... ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 11:03:14 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 09:31:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBjU9-0006yQ-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:31:21 -0700 From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com Date: Thu, 18 Sep 97 12:22:00 EST Encoding: 29 Text Message-Id: <9708188746.AA874610705@mail.amsinc.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re:Music Discussion Questions Resent-Message-ID: <"mwVj_B.A.HAG.YYVI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/565 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:31:21 -0700 X-UIDL: ad90c5cd0978a18d178ba24b44924392 I'm not much into the repetitive loop stuff that I've been hearing alot on the radio these days, usually classified as "noise" by the DJ's, but some of the artists who I think are really telling stories in the "loop domain" are anything by Stock,Hausen and Walkman Beeboobee (Japanese DJ, cassette only release, mixes Japanese pop, porno, news, soap opera, noise loops together) DJ Hellshit and MC Carhouse (Otomo Yoshihide and Yamantaka Eye live duos) any Squarepusher Alec Empire, "The Destroyer" - esp. track 9, "The Peak" is total loop/DnB mania done4 in turbo-metal mode. I saw him live last month and he DJ'd his own records on 2 turntables with various loop devices - I'd rarely heard of using your own catalog as live materials, at first I thought it was a rip-off, but then I appreciated the improvisational element that approach added. Why loop? The root reason is because unique rhythmic textures can be readily created in a short amount of time. Also when I'm creating loops, it feels similar to mixing chemicals to create an unusual mixture, or painting over and over different parts of a canvas. ed chang From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 11:03:15 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 09:33:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBjVw-0007A3-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:33:12 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:32:37 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Newbie alert! Resent-Message-ID: <"u4VvnD.A.CNG.YaVI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/566 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:33:12 -0700 X-UIDL: d9166ce5e2d0bb141ec94e09b69ae936 >Hello all, > >This is my first post to the Loopers Delight mailing list. I've been >using a beefed up (32 sec) JamMan to do loop based music live for about >3 years. I currently play guitar/midi guitar in an ambient band called >Sleeping and an experimental dance/techno project called Zero Crossing. >(yes I bow to the Gods Fripp and Eno) Both are based in the >Syracuse/Ithaca NY area. > Welcome! Your ambient band should do a show with my ambient band Sleep Deprivation, just to really confuse the audience. >So here's my question: We're about to add a new member to Zero >Crossing. He will be manning a sampler and has recently purchased a >JamMan. I've been synching my JamMan, via MIDI, to the MIDI clock of an >Ensonic TS-10 keyboard. So far no complaints, except the inability to >synch to multiples of 5 and 7. Yeah, I know, get an Echoplex. I intend >to take the MIDI out of the TS-10 and go through his JamMan into the >keyboard's new Yamaha board (not sure which model) and then finally into >my JamMan. Are we going to run into any synching problems? If so are >there work arounds? Yes, you will have syncing problems. I've experimented with 2 JamMen this way. The problem is that the JamMan does not re-send the MIDI clock it recieves, it generates a new MIDI clock based on its internal clock, and sends this down the line. So the second JamMan is not going to sync to the original source, it will sync to the first JamMan, the second seems to sync at 1/2, 1/3, or 1/4 the tempo of the original sync source. And if the first JamMan is in loop mode, and it hasn't recorded a loop yet, it's not sending any clock at all, so if you want to record a loop before the person with the first JM, you can't. My solution has been to use a MIDI splitter after the clock source (in my case a Roland MC 303 groovebox), with one stream sent to our guitarists jamman, and one sent to my rack. But, I've been wondering lately if there's a more versatile solution to this. Right now, everything assumes we're going to sync to one device, the MC303, but I think this is kind of limiting. I can see several different possibilities: The current setup, with the MC driving both JMen One of the JMen acting as sync source for both the MC and the other JMan. One of the JMen in "free range" mode, with no sync, while the MC and other JMan are synced. All three units in free range mode, for chatic overlapping loops. So, how do we do this? Right now, I leave my JMan synce all the time, and unplug the guitarist's JMan from the MIDI splitter when he doesn't want to be synced. I suppose a programmable MIDI patchbay, like a JL Cooper or something could handle this, but that seems to be more complexity than I want to add to our already too-complex setup. > >My other question is what all this about jammidimystery? I've been >running my JamMan in stereo since the beginning without a problem (I >think?) Am I misunderstanding the problem? Be patient with me, I'm a >newbie. Other people here can, and hopefully will, explain this better than I can, but the JamMan only loops in mono, and it sends the same loop out of both outputs. It does pass any stereo inputs through in stereo, but if you loop a stereo source, the 2 channels will be summed to mono. If you want to loop in true stereo, you need to sync 2 JamMen together, except you can't because JamMen don't sync together very well. The EchoPlex has a feature called Brother Sync, which lets you use 2 plexi on each side of a stereo signal. > >Also, I'm contemplating trading up to the Echoplex. Any suggestions on >what I might ask for my 32 sec JamMan? Anyone interested? Any used >Echoplexes out there? What should I expect to pay for the Echoplex? >I've seen the $560 price at the Loopers Delight webpage. Is this >realistic? Yeah, the used 32 second JamMan is worth about $50, and I'll take it off your hands if you ship it to me.... Just kidding, the Jboys are getting pretty rare these days, and I haven't seen one for sale for a while, and I think the last one I saw was going for around $250. > >And for Kim, I haven't yet seen the name Bill Laswell here @ Loopers >Delight. Much of his music involves looping and is quite beautiful. >Look for stuff on his Axiom/Subharmonic label. > It's not for my lack of mentioning him, at one time or another I've owned just about every record he's put out (no small feat), and while his hit ratio hovers at less than 50%, his good stuff is among the best there is. OK, enough bandwidth already... ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 11:03:20 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 10:44:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBkcR-0005Yf-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 10:43:59 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970918134435.007100e0@dharma.mitre.org> X-Sender: seligman@dharma.mitre.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 13:44:35 -0400 To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu From: Len Seligman Subject: Re: Newbie alert! Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: <342156D5.4AD1DE5A@mailbox.syr.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"YofeqD.A.IwE.EdWI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/568 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 10:43:59 -0700 X-UIDL: e32665519c1eada6c99107d9054c3490 At 11:29 AM 9/18/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Also, I'm contemplating trading up to the Echoplex. Any suggestions on >what I might ask for my 32 sec JamMan? Mark, Here's a data point: in the recent Rogue Music on-line auction, the high bid on an 8 sec JMan was $350. As far as Echoplex prices, I called several places and the best I could find was about $700 including the foot controller. -Len From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 11:03:16 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 09:45:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBji6-0000TX-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:45:46 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:44:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re:Music Discussion Questions Resent-Message-ID: <"aFMQbD.A.HSH.0lVI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/567 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:45:46 -0700 X-UIDL: dae53e79f564d6cb2dde3b4667d50a2d Ed Chang writes: > I'm not much into the repetitive loop stuff that I've been hearing alot > on the radio these days, usually classified as "noise" by the DJ's, but > some of the artists who I think are really telling stories in the "loop > domain" are > > anything by Stock,Hausen and Walkman > > Beeboobee (Japanese DJ, cassette only release, mixes Japanese pop, porno, > news, soap opera, noise loops together) > > DJ Hellshit and MC Carhouse (Otomo Yoshihide and Yamantaka Eye live duos) > Oh yeah, I should have mentioned this in my earlier post, this 19 minute mini-CD pretty much rules. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 23:15:50 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 11:04:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBkvx-0007ZO-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:04:09 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 13:56:25 -0400 From: buzzard@world.std.com (Sean T Barrett) Message-Id: <199709181756.AA21602@world.std.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro -- Market Demand & Availability Stu dy Resent-Message-ID: <"wNq0EB.A.RSG.XtWI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/569 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:04:09 -0700 X-UIDL: 560154abde775a14562a268901711a7d Pretty comprehensive. Nice job. I'm not a professional statistician, but I wanted to take some time to correct what I believe are some misleading statistics and interpretations. No flame intended. >* Almost 40% of EDP owners live within 80-90 miles of Oakland. >And 54% of all the EDP owners also live between Los Angeles and >Berkeley, California. This statistic is impossible to interpret without similar statistics about the entire sample (e.g. if 54% of the entire sample lived between LA and Berkeley, it would mean something quite different than is implied!) The detailed results cover part of this (but no number for LA-Berkeley). >* Seventy-six percent (76.4%) of those who have tried an EDP >indicate they also own an EDP. This can be interpreted to testify that >three-quarters of those who try an EDP go on to buy an EDP. This really can't be judged with much certainly without more data. For example, anyone who buys one without trying it first ends up in this category. (That such people exist seems likely, since, for example, the apparent paradox observed in another set of questions--don't want to try, but want to buy--can be explained by people with this intention.) > This may mean that >contacting 1000 existing EDP owners (from user supplied warranty card >information) via direct mail with an offer to buy another EDP could >instantly yield orders for sales of 462 EDP additional units. I know you said "may" and "could", but I want to stress that the obvious general danger here is generalizing from the sample of "people who subscribe to loopers-delight" as being reflective of all consumers. It's certainly _possible_ that all EDP owners are hardcore loopists like people on this list (what else are they doing with their EDP, after all), and certainly that's more likely the case than Digitech delay owners. But even suggesting it translates directly into sales is questionable. Also, I wasn't going to tweak you for reporting results with the extra decimal place, but, really, 462? Assuming just +-1 respondent (which is probably an underestimate of the error), the original statistic (6/13, I assume) goes to 6/14..7/14, which is 42-50%, or 46 +- 4%, or 460+-40 units in your example. Reporting the extra decimal places just implies more accuracy than is really there, adding a false authority to the numbers which, if the reader knows better, makes them more suspicious of the results. >* However, on the whole, the number one reason for wanting to buy >an EDP is it's perceived as the "Best Overall Looper" cited by 34.2% -- >which comes from combining the answers "Better than JamMan" (17.1%) and The members of loopers-delight have access to a very current, active, up-to-date information source on the merits of various looping devices (namely the mailing list itself); perhaps this merely implies a form of consumer education Gibson needs to engage in to increase demand. But I certainly wouldn't expect people without access to this list to have the same perceptions as things stand. Anyway, these are all just minor interpretation issues. I just don't think statistics should be presented in the "best possible light to prove a point"--which is why I'll never play well with marketing departments... And, off topic, I strongly recommend a read of the old classic "How to Lie with Statistics" to anyone interested in the subject of the various ways statistics can be misleading. Like I said, overall, good work. Thanks. Sean Barrett From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 23:15:53 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 11:25:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBlG7-0001aM-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:24:59 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:19:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Rik Elswit Message-Id: <199709181819.LAA00328@well.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Newbie alert! Resent-Message-ID: <"GmLtlB.A.V9.DDXI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/570 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:24:59 -0700 X-UIDL: 38b0d0c453ae236fdd7270df5d75b568 "Also, I'm contemplating trading up to the Echoplex. Any suggestions on what I might ask for my 32 sec JamMan?" Don't sell the Jamman yet, unless you've already lined up an Echoplex to buy. Oberheim's last shipment didn't fill the backorders, and new ones are hard to find. From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 23:15:57 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 12:27:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBmEg-0006qY-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:27:34 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 15:18:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Pete Koniuto To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: music In-Reply-To: <199709181604.JAA22656@gw1.bi-tech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"khEXbD.A.OiF.O6XI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/571 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:27:34 -0700 X-UIDL: ae0e2cbd266b6c0f4befd3abee6c0543 On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Matt McCabe wrote: > Why loop? > > Because there's always the potential of creating something beautiful and > magic.....and then you turn your gear off and it's gone...but you really > don't mourn it's loss (the loop) because you know the potential to do it > again is still there...only in a different form. > > Matt Interesting. I've read similar comments on this list in the past. But for me it's a little different. Very often i'll create a loop, sit back and listen to it, and end up quite displeased with the results of what felt like a very cathartic creative experience. The process was the experience of the evening and not what was produced. But usually, being an archivist at heart, i'll throw the loop down to DAT anyway once i'm finished (that is, if i was too entranced at that delicious moment just before the loop's "genesis" to remember to hit record before i began). Then, say two days later, i'll listen back to what was created and think not so badly of it and find a few good things there that i may try to incorporate into a future attempt. Then a week later i'll find myself hearing things i hadn't heard before, relationships, textural movement, distant subtleties, and i'll think, "Schitt, that ain't bad! Maybe i'll run it by a second and third pair of ears." And they often blow people away, these little creations that kind of annoyed me the night they were born. And sometimes, after several weeks, i'll want to listen to it over and over--i end up really loving it. The corollary of this, of course, is that often when i immediately think on first listen that i've created something quite magical, two weeks later i don't really care for it. Even then, i'll ask for other opinions, and they are often in agreement with my own. "Oh... ummm....that's...well....yeah....ummm, not some of your better stuff, man." Anybody else experience this? This certainly isn't the rule. I mean, on creating a loop i really like i don't immediately think, "Ah schitt, this sounds amazing to me--it must suck." But the scenario above happens to me quite often. I haven't really meditated enough on this to figure out why. Any thoughts? Pete Koniuto ----------------- Music Library Boston University 617-353-3705 pkoniuto@bu.edu ----------------- From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 23:16:08 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 12:40:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBmR7-0000Lc-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:40:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199709181933.MAA29676@usr04.primenet.com> Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Music Discussion Questions and 'Home Frippertronics' Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:31:05 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XV1VrD.A.v9G.wIYI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/572 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:40:25 -0700 X-UIDL: a251b826de11ae4c6321314059166737 > Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com intoned: > > Why loop? > The root reason is because unique rhythmic textures can be readily > created in a short amount of time. Also when I'm creating loops, it > feels similar to mixing chemicals to create an unusual mixture, or > painting over and over different parts of a canvas. To each his own! My own migration into this area had less to do with quick execution than it did with the quasi-organic nature of repetition; the thing that made it possible for me was being temporarily able to afford buying a 7.6-second Digitech unit for less than $150 used. From my standpoint, the process had to not be complicated, in order to not impede performance. The last thing I want is to have to use someone else to operate equipment. Also, I wanted to approach the idea of the Home Piano, that time-honoured prop of Culture, which one could also just sit down and bang on, should one wished to, without having to 'turn anything on' besides your brain. I've already documented my setup a number of times, so I won't go into it here - but another major interest in making the setup was that it have as few components as possible, resulting in fewer noise leaks. As far as the Home Piano idea, though, it's nice to be able to 'just lay it down', I admit. It's just that, if I'm going to pretend that I'm performing this material, I have to be able to recreate the pieces from memory. So I have that consideration every time I sit down for a new piece. Ultimately there is very little improv in the actual published works. But the ones that I'll put together at home that constitute either raw textures, or candidates for The Loop Of The Week (see my page if you haven't yet), are almost I-Ching-Like in their result. However I feel at the time - as long as I can maintain transparency - usually translates well into the texture resulting. Sometimes I have to turn off the unit just to think of the track being eliminated altogether, if it sounds Dark enough. I could go on but no. Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 23:16:11 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 12:52:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBmci-0001XO-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:52:24 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:45:40 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: intentions and effects Resent-Message-ID: <"2gtMDB.A.yv.OTYI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/573 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:52:24 -0700 X-UIDL: 705a75044b1f575afb5da1f6c6e421c2 >At 12:51 AM -0400 9/15/97, Russell Gorton wrote: > >>4) I like looping tv voices and playing them backwards. Classic ambient >>technique...nothing like good old backwards play! It worked for the >>Beatles AND Judas Priest! > >Hey! We didn't put reverse in there so you could easily make satanic >records like those evil heavy metal bands, why I......oh, wait....yes that >is why we put reverse in there. never mind.... ;-) We certainly put every little feature with good intentions into the unit. To create peace in the world or something. But since the big goals are too complex for us to understand how to achieve then anyway, we are just happy about every new idea how to use the unit to make someone feel fine. In other words, I learned to pass the message through the music, rather than through features (or the omission of them!) in a invention. And even the music can be understood very differently, so I have to be happy if someone understands something that pops up in HIS mind, which is much more important than the message I "intended". I was touched that the intention of BrotherSync was interpreted here anyway. Thanks Matthias From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 23:16:18 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 12:58:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBmiq-0002Gg-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:58:44 -0700 Message-ID: <41DE695CE6FCCF11AD1000805FCCF8EC36D1AF@SF-01-MSG.dns.microsoft.com> From: Tom Attix To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: music Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:53:27 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.27) Resent-Message-ID: <"FzM5w.A.LgB.WaYI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/575 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:58:44 -0700 X-UIDL: 9ebb16833dd2a7f9d199e9ad711ed7fb In the visual arts its pretty normal to not make up your mind about a piece until you've lived with it a few weeks (or months or years). This runs totally counter to the Buddhist approach of creating the work and then completely letting go of it (which they accomplish by destroying the piece). > -----Original Message----- > From: Pete Koniuto [SMTP:pkoniuto@bu.edu] > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 1997 12:27 PM > To: Tom Attix > Subject: Re: music > > > > On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Matt McCabe wrote: > > > Why loop? > > > > Because there's always the potential of creating something beautiful > and > > magic.....and then you turn your gear off and it's gone...but you > really > > don't mourn it's loss (the loop) because you know the potential to > do it > > again is still there...only in a different form. > > > > Matt > > Interesting. I've read similar comments on this list > in the past. But for me it's a little different. Very > often i'll create a loop, sit back and listen to it, > and end up quite displeased with the results of what > felt like a very cathartic creative experience. The > process was the experience of the evening and not what > was produced. > > But usually, being an archivist at heart, i'll throw > the loop down to DAT anyway once i'm finished (that is, > if i was too entranced at that delicious moment just > before the loop's "genesis" to remember to hit record > before i began). > > Then, say two days later, i'll listen back to what > was created and think not so badly of it and find > a few good things there that i may try to incorporate > into a future attempt. Then a week later i'll find > myself hearing things i hadn't heard before, > relationships, textural movement, distant subtleties, > and i'll think, "Schitt, that ain't bad! Maybe i'll > run it by a second and third pair of ears." And they > often blow people away, these little creations that > kind of annoyed me the night they were born. And > sometimes, after several weeks, i'll want to listen > to it over and over--i end up really loving it. > > The corollary of this, of course, is that often when > i immediately think on first listen that i've created > something quite magical, two weeks later i don't really > care for it. Even then, i'll ask for other opinions, > and they are often in agreement with my own. "Oh... > ummm....that's...well....yeah....ummm, not some of your > better stuff, man." > > Anybody else experience this? This certainly isn't > the rule. I mean, on creating a loop i really like > i don't immediately think, "Ah schitt, this sounds > amazing to me--it must suck." But the scenario above > happens to me quite often. I haven't really meditated > enough on this to figure out why. > > Any thoughts? > > > Pete Koniuto > > > ----------------- > Music Library > Boston University > 617-353-3705 > pkoniuto@bu.edu > ----------------- > > From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 23:16:16 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 12:58:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBmiK-0002Cn-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:58:12 -0700 From: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com Date: Thu, 18 Sep 97 15:48:00 EST Encoding: 49 Text, 21 Text Message-Id: <9708188746.AA874623023@mail.amsinc.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: music Resent-Message-ID: <"GDIGTD.A.TRB.YYYI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/574 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:58:12 -0700 X-UIDL: 05bdfa6a7d2ef6ee2f5c963d4d87b8be This has happened to me as well, not just with loop projects but also other types of pieces. This also has happened with new records. Somebody mentioned the David Toop disc (Pink Noir?) which I bought based on high recomendation from respected sources, but when I first heard it I thought it sucked. But a week later I put it on and I started to like it more. Now I actually think it was worth it and is kinda inspiring. Anyway, my theory is that 'alien/possibly great' sounds/concepts can sound bad even to the genius-composer at the time of creation because it doesn't fit comfortably in his/her familiar sound-world. But later you realize - Dang!...I never heard nuttin' like this before! It's kind'r neat! The reverse logic holds true for the corollary you mentioned: 1. Wow! This sounds just like Brian Eno's Greatest Moment! 2. Damn...this sounds just like Brian Eno's Greatest Moment. ed chang The corollary of this, of course, is that often when i immediately think on first listen that i've created something quite magical, two weeks later i don't really care for it. Even then, i'll ask for other opinions, and they are often in agreement with my own. "Oh... ummm....that's...well....yeah....ummm, not some of your better stuff, man." Anybody else experience this? This certainly isn't the rule. I mean, on creating a loop i really like i don't immediately think, "Ah schitt, this sounds amazing to me--it must suck." But the scenario above happens to me quite often. I haven't really meditated enough on this to figure out why. Any thoughts? Pete Koniuto ----------------- Music Library Boston University 617-353-3705 pkoniuto@bu.edu ----------------- (See attached file: RFC822.TXT) Received: from ams.amsinc.com by mail.amsinc.com (SMTPLINK V2.11.01) ; Thu, 18 Sep 97 15:20:28 EST Return-Path: Received: from ferret (ferret.slip.net) by ams.amsinc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29811; Thu, 18 Sep 97 15:26:56 EDT Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBm7X-00065X-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:20:11 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 15:18:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Pete Koniuto To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: music In-Reply-To: <199709181604.JAA22656@gw1.bi-tech.com> Message-Id: Resent-Message-Id: <"khEXbD.A.OiF.O6XI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/571 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Edward_Chang@mail.amsinc.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:20:11 -0700 From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 23:16:21 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 14:52:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBoUo-0003yl-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:52:22 -0700 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F04870D@MAIL> From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'buzzard@world.std.com'" Cc: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Final footnote? Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro -- Market Demand & Availability Study Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:32:10 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"qOE_TB.A.nND.xEaI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/576 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:52:22 -0700 X-UIDL: 9289b7fab1bc9a777978046402f2ea97 With minor equivocations, I think Sean is correct on ALL counts. It is important to stress this sample size can only lead to _overall_ directions and trends. That said I sense the directions and trends are generally correct - the scale is what is arguable. Re: the xx.x% vs. xx% -- it's an old habit from working w/bigger samples sizes - I didn't mean to imply more statistical authority. It's actually quite comical given the sample size. I will forward Sean's critique to the folks at Gibson/Oberheim too. As a footnote to this whole Polling excersize - it has been the strangest fun. I thank all of you who responded. The results were quite interesting -- some even surprising. And to the other EDP owners in Boston/Allston, I would like to meet you! (how about a show at the Middle East; I know who to call). Putting the calculator away... David Kirkdorffer -----Original Message----- From: buzzard@world.std.com [SMTP:buzzard@world.std.com] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 1997 1:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Oberheim Echoplex Digital Pro -- Market Demand & Availability Stu dy Pretty comprehensive. Nice job. I'm not a professional statistician, but I wanted to take some time to correct what I believe are some misleading statistics and interpretations. No flame intended. >* Almost 40% of EDP owners live within 80-90 miles of Oakland. >And 54% of all the EDP owners also live between Los Angeles and >Berkeley, California. This statistic is impossible to interpret without similar statistics about the entire sample (e.g. if 54% of the entire sample lived between LA and Berkeley, it would mean something quite different than is implied!) The detailed results cover part of this (but no number for LA-Berkeley). >* Seventy-six percent (76.4%) of those who have tried an EDP >indicate they also own an EDP. This can be interpreted to testify that >three-quarters of those who try an EDP go on to buy an EDP. This really can't be judged with much certainly without more data. For example, anyone who buys one without trying it first ends up in this category. (That such people exist seems likely, since, for example, the apparent paradox observed in another set of questions--don't want to try, but want to buy--can be explained by people with this intention.) > This may mean that >contacting 1000 existing EDP owners (from user supplied warranty card >information) via direct mail with an offer to buy another EDP could >instantly yield orders for sales of 462 EDP additional units. I know you said "may" and "could", but I want to stress that the obvious general danger here is generalizing from the sample of "people who subscribe to loopers-delight" as being reflective of all consumers. It's certainly _possible_ that all EDP owners are hardcore loopists like people on this list (what else are they doing with their EDP, after all), and certainly that's more likely the case than Digitech delay owners. But even suggesting it translates directly into sales is questionable. Also, I wasn't going to tweak you for reporting results with the extra decimal place, but, really, 462? Assuming just +-1 respondent (which is probably an underestimate of the error), the original statistic (6/13, I assume) goes to 6/14..7/14, which is 42-50%, or 46 +- 4%, or 460+-40 units in your example. Reporting the extra decimal places just implies more accuracy than is really there, adding a false authority to the numbers which, if the reader knows better, makes them more suspicious of the results. >* However, on the whole, the number one reason for wanting to buy >an EDP is it's perceived as the "Best Overall Looper" cited by 34.2% -- >which comes from combining the answers "Better than JamMan" (17.1%) and The members of loopers-delight have access to a very current, active, up-to-date information source on the merits of various looping devices (namely the mailing list itself); perhaps this merely implies a form of consumer education Gibson needs to engage in to increase demand. But I certainly wouldn't expect people without access to this list to have the same perceptions as things stand. Anyway, these are all just minor interpretation issues. I just don't think statistics should be presented in the "best possible light to prove a point"--which is why I'll never play well with marketing departments... And, off topic, I strongly recommend a read of the old classic "How to Lie with Statistics" to anyone interested in the subject of the various ways statistics can be misleading. Like I said, overall, good work. Thanks. Sean Barrett From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 23:16:23 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 15:26:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBp29-0006yq-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 15:26:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199709182220.PAA18533@usr01.primenet.com> Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: music Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 15:17:18 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tS6WhB.A.c-F.gkaI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/577 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 15:26:49 -0700 X-UIDL: e5c400f9676edb270a1ad92427cc8de7 Tom Attix Invoked: > In the visual arts its pretty normal to not make up your mind about a > piece until you've lived with it a few weeks (or months or years). This > runs totally counter to the Buddhist approach of creating the work and > then completely letting go of it (which they accomplish by destroying > the piece). This corresponds also to what I do when I'm making up either the Loop Of The Week (posted at the site below) or pieces for my Book Of Days CDROMs... I basically let the loop play for as much as several days sometimes, as well as through the stereo, to make sure it won't drive people (especially me) insane. Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 23:16:24 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 16:26:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBpxS-0004Or-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:26:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:18:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Pete Koniuto To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: music In-Reply-To: <9708188746.AA874623023@mail.amsinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"TAWI6D.A.kdD.kbbI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/578 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:26:02 -0700 X-UIDL: 27dac6be6634c42c63e3be6be7fa66a2 Ed Chang wrote: > Anyway, my theory is that 'alien/possibly great' sounds/concepts can > sound bad even to the genius-composer at the time of creation because it > doesn't fit comfortably in his/her familiar sound-world... Exactly, Ed. It's that uncharted territory thing. I sometimes hear something i've just worked on, be it a loop or something else (but usually a loop, since other pieces and parts happen more slowly, a little more methodically, or are perhaps more premeditated), and i'll think, no, there isn't enough high end in this to make it sound all nice and balanced. It sounds dull, lo-fi, swampy. It isn't until later that i realize, i've never heard something so damn swampy--this is stinky swampy, and it's scaring me, not boring me. IT'S HAVING IMPACT. Often a good clue early on about what is effective, what has impact musically is when i find myself either laughing or proverbially scared shitless. Sometimes both. But if i can immediately sense the humor in a piece, or the terror, these are probably reflexes to something that doesn't quite sit easily with that sound-world with which i'm familiar and all to comfortable. Unfortunately, i KNOW i'm much better at the scarey stuff. At least that's a reaction others often have to my material, especially my looping. Can anyone suggest how to invoke more humor in the looping process? Either the kind of humor that brings with it tears; or the kind that pulls out that Cheshire grin to the listener's lips, like yeah, i get it. Torn can do it. During the Polytown sessions, he would pull schitt out that had everyone in the control room laughing themselves silly. And he knew it. And i think he may have even been aiming for that. Or maybe he was just trying to crack himself up. Suggestions on how to bring humor (even the nervous kind) into the loop? Pete Koniuto ----------------- Music Library Boston University 617-353-3705 pkoniuto@bu.edu ----------------- From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 23:16:24 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 16:35:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBq6w-0005PB-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:35:50 -0700 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:29:29 -0400 (EDT) From: GILGOOD@aol.com Message-ID: <970918191702_215909950@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: music Resent-Message-ID: <"TzsJrC.A.VhE.WmbI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/579 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:35:50 -0700 X-UIDL: 8642538af9d736198af35dd7809c9802 Can anyone reccomend a good sampler/sequencer for the Macintosh? Prehaps even forward it? Right now I'm using BackToBasics in union with SoundEffects, and I'm looking for something with a bit more precision. Anyone use a Mac at all? From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 23:16:26 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 18:51:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBsEK-0000gU-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:51:36 -0700 X-From_:MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 18 18:51:24 1997 Received: from pop01.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.132] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBsE1-0000eL-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:51:17 -0700 Received: (qmail 14634 invoked for bounce); 19 Sep 1997 01:51:43 -0000 Old-Date: 19 Sep 1997 01:51:43 -0000 From: MAILER-DAEMON@pop01.netaddress.usa.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: failure notice Message-Id: X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:51:36 -0700 X-UIDL: e8c5f0087331fc613da23e5ff107fa2e Hi. This is the qmail-send program at pop01.netaddress.usa.net. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. 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Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10925 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 1997 20:55:40 -0000 Received: from Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com by netaddress.usa.net via mail-rover (2.0) on Thu Sep 11 14:55:40 1997 Status: U Received: from ferret (mail@ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by imap1.asu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.2 (bhk 10/09/96)) with SMTP id BAA26353 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 01:43:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x94qI-00044R-00; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 01:43:14 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:53:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplexs have been found, thanks Resent-Message-ID: <"DfNqJ.A.hbD.A36F0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/465 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: signals@IMAP1.ASU.EDU Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 01:43:14 -0700 At 4:45 PM +0000 9/10/97, Phil Diem wrote: >Kim Flint replied: > >>One idea is to simply call Oberheim and ask where you can find a dealer >>with stock. 510-635-9633. They haven't been producing them fast enough to >>meet demand, so there seems to be varying amounts of backorders at any >>given dealer. They might be able to help you find a dealer who will be >>getting them sooner than later, or already has them. The other reason this >>is a good idea is it keeps Gibson motivated to keep making them. > >>kim > >Thanks for the suggestion Kim. Problem is I've already tried this >approach, which ultimately resulted in my meeting with the District Sales >Manager, Jerry Lambert a couple of weeks back. >He says that they're way behind in production and wasn't very hopeful or >helpfull in regards to instant gratification. Well, perhaps we need to reverse the motivation for calling Gibson. The main priority ought to be showing them that there is demand for the echoplex and encouraging them to keep making echoplexes and similar products. (i.e. not pulling a lexicon, to coin a phrase...;-) The secondary motivation would then be to find one for your self. The more the gibson sales people are hearing from customers about it, the more they will pressure the production people to get their act together. It doesn't take a lot really, because the vast majority of customers never contact manufacturers. The few who do help them define what the market is looking for. I think the main reason gibson is producing echoplexes at all these days is because of the interest shown by people on this list. And they have recently been putting some effort into increasing the production, so it does work. Getting through to a DSM is certainly a good start. A guy like that is thinking Les Pauls most of the time. Getting him to think about looping products for the other part can make a big difference. So I guess you're off to a good start there, keep it up! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 23:16:26 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 18:51:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBsEO-0000h0-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:51:40 -0700 X-From_:MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 18 18:51:31 1997 Received: from pop01.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.132] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBsE6-0000eu-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:51:22 -0700 Received: (qmail 14636 invoked for bounce); 19 Sep 1997 01:51:43 -0000 Old-Date: 19 Sep 1997 01:51:43 -0000 From: MAILER-DAEMON@pop01.netaddress.usa.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: failure notice Message-Id: X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:51:40 -0700 X-UIDL: 3946a99d9ad2c70a1857dcf6424b9bfa Hi. This is the qmail-send program at pop01.netaddress.usa.net. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : Connected to 207.211.58.15 but greeting failed. I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long. --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10936 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 1997 20:55:41 -0000 Received: from Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com by netaddress.usa.net via mail-rover (2.0) on Thu Sep 11 14:55:41 1997 Status: U Received: from ferret (mail@ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by imap1.asu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.2 (bhk 10/09/96)) with SMTP id DAA02172 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 03:41:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x96gl-0007ij-00; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 03:41:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:36:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Digitech RDS/PDS Series In-Reply-To: <970910154116_776996127@emout05.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"JVXt3B.A.DAH.cn8F0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/466 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: signals@IMAP1.ASU.EDU Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 03:41:31 -0700 I have an RDS-8000 which I picked up for under $100 at a pawn shop back in March thanks to the observant eye of another member of this list. I'm just curious if anyone knows what the sampling rate for these suckers is. I haven't found any mention of it. Anyone know? -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 23:16:27 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 18:51:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBsEU-0000hu-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:51:46 -0700 X-From_:MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 18 18:51:29 1997 Received: from pop01.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.132] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBsE6-0000ev-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:51:22 -0700 Received: (qmail 14651 invoked for bounce); 19 Sep 1997 01:51:47 -0000 Old-Date: 19 Sep 1997 01:51:47 -0000 From: MAILER-DAEMON@pop01.netaddress.usa.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: failure notice Message-Id: X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:51:46 -0700 X-UIDL: 91f2dcd5f1470a588d7b134d2a662ae7 Hi. This is the qmail-send program at pop01.netaddress.usa.net. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : Connected to 207.211.58.15 but greeting failed. I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long. --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10967 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 1997 20:55:44 -0000 Received: from Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com by netaddress.usa.net via mail-rover (2.0) on Thu Sep 11 14:55:44 1997 Status: U Received: from ferret (mail@ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by imap1.asu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.2 (bhk 10/09/96)) with SMTP id HAA16986 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:24:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x9AAr-0004pV-00; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:24:49 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970911090648.0069da54@infinitesound.com> X-Sender: verner@infinitesound.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:06:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: verner@infinitesound.com Subject: Re: Digitech RDS/PDS Series Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"NnF7V.A.95D.00_F0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/470 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: signals@IMAP1.ASU.EDU Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:24:49 -0700 I think it is 8 bit. I know the 7.6 is 8 bit and they are both similar. J. Arif Verner I have an RDS-8000 which I picked up for under $100 at a pawn shop back in March thanks to the observant eye of another member of this list. I'm just curious if anyone knows what the sampling rate for these suckers is. I haven't found any mention of it. Anyone know? -Adam __________________________________________________________________ Infinite Sound Studio Ithaca, New York http://www.infinitesound.com "After silence that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music." -Aldous Huxley From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 23:16:28 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 18:51:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBsEX-0000iW-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:51:49 -0700 X-From_:MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 18 18:51:32 1997 Received: from pop01.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.132] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBsE9-0000et-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:51:25 -0700 Received: (qmail 14646 invoked for bounce); 19 Sep 1997 01:51:45 -0000 Old-Date: 19 Sep 1997 01:51:45 -0000 From: MAILER-DAEMON@pop01.netaddress.usa.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: failure notice Message-Id: X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:51:49 -0700 X-UIDL: 60ac0522bb9ce1dfcca9b304506434dd Hi. This is the qmail-send program at pop01.netaddress.usa.net. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : Connected to 207.211.58.15 but greeting failed. I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long. --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10955 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 1997 20:55:44 -0000 Received: from Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com by netaddress.usa.net via mail-rover (2.0) on Thu Sep 11 14:55:43 1997 Status: U Received: from ferret (mail@ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by imap1.asu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.2 (bhk 10/09/96)) with SMTP id GAA12088 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:30:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x99KW-0001XJ-00; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:30:44 -0700 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F0486B0@MAIL> From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Q. Loop labels anyone...? Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:12:04 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"faYzqC.A.gc.LC_F0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/468 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: signals@IMAP1.ASU.EDU Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:30:44 -0700 I'm generating a lot of cool non-beat ambient-esque loops I'd like to release to the world. Probably a situation common to many here on the list. Does anyone have some leads or directions on labels interested in this genre worth contacting... David Kirkdorffer UNDO From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 23:16:28 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 18:51:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBsEb-0000j8-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:51:53 -0700 X-From_:MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 18 18:51:48 1997 Received: from pop01.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.132] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBsE3-0000eb-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:51:20 -0700 Received: (qmail 14643 invoked for bounce); 19 Sep 1997 01:51:44 -0000 Old-Date: 19 Sep 1997 01:51:44 -0000 From: MAILER-DAEMON@pop01.netaddress.usa.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: failure notice Message-Id: X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:51:53 -0700 X-UIDL: de0ef33efba6956721c9080c822d124c Hi. This is the qmail-send program at pop01.netaddress.usa.net. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : Connected to 207.211.58.15 but greeting failed. I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long. --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10939 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 1997 20:55:42 -0000 Received: from Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com by netaddress.usa.net via mail-rover (2.0) on Thu Sep 11 14:55:41 1997 Status: U Received: from ferret (mail@ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by imap1.asu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.2 (bhk 10/09/96)) with SMTP id GAA12074 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:30:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x99KR-0001Wg-00; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:30:39 -0700 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F0486AF@MAIL> From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: New Korg DL8000R Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:06:56 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"C6rIg.A.RW.NB_F0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/467 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: signals@IMAP1.ASU.EDU Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:30:39 -0700 For those interested in the new Korg DL8000R, I have learned the device is due to the Guitar Center chain mid-October and is expected to be prices at about $600. >From the description, it sounds very Vortex-y. http://www.korg.com/dl8000r.htm From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 23:16:29 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 18:51:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBsEd-0000je-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:51:55 -0700 X-From_:MAILER-DAEMON Thu Sep 18 18:51:30 1997 Received: from pop01.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.132] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBsE5-0000ej-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:51:21 -0700 Received: (qmail 14644 invoked for bounce); 19 Sep 1997 01:51:45 -0000 Old-Date: 19 Sep 1997 01:51:45 -0000 From: MAILER-DAEMON@pop01.netaddress.usa.net To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: failure notice Message-Id: X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:51:55 -0700 X-UIDL: 8ffd7ed6cc174557846b089ea6d407cb Hi. This is the qmail-send program at pop01.netaddress.usa.net. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : Connected to 207.211.58.15 but greeting failed. I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long. --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10946 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 1997 20:55:42 -0000 Received: from Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com by netaddress.usa.net via mail-rover (2.0) on Thu Sep 11 14:55:42 1997 Status: U Received: from ferret (mail@ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by imap1.asu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.2 (bhk 10/09/96)) with SMTP id GAA12081 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:30:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0x99KP-0001WT-00; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:30:37 -0700 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C290E20C1@NTSRV2> From: "Hogan, Greg" To: "Hogan, Greg" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Vortex flaw? Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:46:20 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"xK3QR.A.-d.SC_F0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/469 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: signals@IMAP1.ASU.EDU Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:30:37 -0700 Hello gentleman, Please let me know specifically what patches you are using so I can determine if there are problems with your machines. This way I might be able to help you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone 617-280-0372 FAX 617-280-0499 email: ghogan@lexicon.com > ---------- > From: vajra1@mho.net[SMTP:vajra1@mho.net] > Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 1997 12:03 AM > To: GHogan@lexicon.com > Subject: Re: Vortex flaw? > > >Hi, > > > >I just got my Vortex today, everything is O.K. with it except the > >looping. It seems that when I switch the feedback from 63 to 64 > >for infinite repeat, the loops don't always hold. > > > >A friend of mine with an LXP-5 says he has the same problem. > >Is this a bug? > > Mine does too. Always just figured that the infinite repeat at 64 cant > be > "switched to" from another edit setting (with a loop in progress) and > is > meant to be used on its own for looping purposes. Bleened and > Confused, > B.P. > > > From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 23:16:33 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 22:23:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBvWv-0006J8-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:23:01 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970919052005.006a1704@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: gls@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 00:20:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Grover Sheffield Subject: Re: Echoplex price Resent-Message-ID: <"VdsHLC.A._pF.mtgI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/581 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:23:01 -0700 X-UIDL: e62507ab2d2ceb6fa87470b5723a7f40 >As far as Echoplex prices, I called several places and the best I could >find was about $700 including the foot controller. > >-Len > Len, The best price I've found is about $700 PLUS another $110 for the foot controller. Would you write me back with the dealer who quoted you the above price? Thanks and good luck. I'm not doing any looping yet, just doing my research at this point. Grover > > From ???@??? Thu Sep 18 23:16:32 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 18 22:07:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xBvHi-0005Jl-00; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:07:18 -0700 Message-ID: <342216E9.B56665B7@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:08:42 -0500 From: mark sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu Organization: metaliminal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: MacMan X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <970918191702_215909950@emout15.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qneEyB.A.RpE.-cgI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/580 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:07:18 -0700 X-UIDL: cc42d4de6816b8746992eaaca2ce7bd0 Hey, I personally use Opcode's StudioVision Pro for my multitrack audio/midi recording and sample sequencing. It has a lot of brilliant effects and a non real-time pitch to midi and midi back to pitch feature that is quite amazing. (you can turn an audio track to midi, edit it and then apply the changes to the original track-fun!) It also has a non pitch effecting time contract/dilation feature that is great for synching samples. It will run on any A/V or Power Mac. I can get 10 audio tracks and 16 midi tracks at the same time on my 7600/120. Unfortunately, it is about $800. For cheaper solutions, you may try Macromedia's Deck II w/ Soundedit 16. They are designed to synch with a midi sequencing program called Metro by JS Technologies. (the author is a personal friend) when I last talked to him he was working on a audio/midi version of Metro, but I don't know if it's ready yet. It's very easy to use and cheap. -- -- Mark @ ¿??? IAMNOTHERE c From ???@??? Fri Sep 19 09:11:02 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 19 06:36:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xC3EQ-00017m-00; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 06:36:26 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 07:36:18 -0400 From: Jon Durant <74074.1316@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: music To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199709190929_MC2-2108-AA92@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"5bCYcC.A.Jq.M6nI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/582 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 06:36:26 -0700 X-UIDL: 540f592aabd39b4e4ee8acd837ffd75a Pete writes- >Torn can do it. During the Polytown sessions, he would >pull schitt out that had everyone in the control room >laughing themselves silly. And he knew it. And i think >he may have even been aiming for that. Or maybe he was >just trying to crack himself up. > >Suggestions on how to bring humor (even the nervous kind) >into the loop? (Hi Pete, hope your well. Shout at me some time, ok?) There are a number of ways to inject humor into a piece. Zappa had a whole chapter of his autobiography dedicated to it. Torn is indeed a master, and one of the things I've picked up from him and begun to use more frequently are other elements than your primary instrument. For example, currently running on a loop in the studio is a bundt pan, sampled in jamman 1, played backwards through a coupla different thingies and looped. Vox are great, both as a harmonic/melodic source, or as ambient sound sources. One thing torn was doing during the "tripping" tour was playing a micro cassette (of Mick Karn's grilfriend reciting some off-beat poetry) through his pickups. The effect was staggeringly cool, and quite amusing. I did this during rehearsal with my trio two weeks ago, this time with a micro casstte of my 4-year-old son singing "chip and dale rescue rangers". Tears were flowing, I can tell you. Other kinds of things can be done with modulating delays, especially with a powerful processor like the PCM 80. When the box was almost finsihed, we were working on presets and my (former) office mate and I were playing with the delays and came up with a program that sounded like you were walking through a las vegas hotel lobby. It was hysterical. It didn't land as a preset, though. Not very useful on a daily basis... What am I listening to? Currently I'm only listening to the projects I'm in the middle of trying to finish: the new Michael Manring CD (due early next year, and features some v.cool loopage from the bass meister) and a very cool ambient record by a new artist named William Camire (w/loopage by jd and violin by Caryn Lin). But I did make some time to listen to a coupla tapes from some regular contributors to the list, Andre LaFosse and Olivier Malhomme. Both very good work, very creative and unusual. I hope I'll get more time with them in a few weeks when things calm down here. later, jon durant From ???@??? Fri Sep 19 09:11:10 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 19 08:06:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xC4dt-0006Pq-00; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:06:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199709191458.HAA16020@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: music ---> Mac programs Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:01:31 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WNVQ0D.A.UoF.JPpI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/583 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:06:49 -0700 X-UIDL: bd0f89fb5ff449db4f176ed8b8ad0d05 ----------------------------- Matthew Finley McCabe Sales/Marketing Support SunGard Bi-Tech Systems Inc. 890 Fortress Street Chico, CA 95973 916.899.4348 > From: GILGOOD@aol.com > Can anyone reccomend a good sampler/sequencer for the Macintosh? Prehaps even > forward it? > Right now I'm using BackToBasics in union with SoundEffects, and I'm looking > for something with a bit more precision. > Anyone use a Mac at all? I'm using Emagic's Logic Audio on the Mac. I love the program although I've only scratched the surface of what it can do. It has the ability to map the tempo of a song to an audio file and "quantize" an audio file to a MIDI sequence. The newer version has real-time DSP capabilities. Initially I was a little scared of non-linear recording but I'm now a BIG fan. In fact, I borrowed a friend's ADAT about 7 months ago to do a project and I actually prefer recording right into the computer. Matt P.S. 2+ years ago a big factor in convincing me to buy Logic Audio was the linear notes in Torn's "Tripping Over God" CD. I figured if DT was using it, it had to be pretty cool. From ???@??? Fri Sep 19 23:19:51 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 19 09:43:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xC69d-00068e-00; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 09:43:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199709191637.JAA12451@usr09.primenet.com> Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: music ---> Mac programs Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 09:34:24 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZhgneC.A.aJF.2oqI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/584 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 09:43:41 -0700 X-UIDL: 05748d38d6b32b4625b10b322125336f Since I produce content allegedly playable on both platforms, I've been curious as to whether a solution exists out there for Mac users to freely download, that plays .WAV files, and loops. I've been suggesting the use of CoolEdit for this, on the PC end. And of course, the PC version of the Loop Of The Week plays itself -- I provide the ZIPped .WAV for other-than-PC platforms, and Mac users also download it. It's just that all of the Mac users who regularly get my Loop Of The Week are using proprietary or non-shareware packages to loop the file. It would be nice to hear of a package that I could recommend to Mac users, and perhaps provide a link to as well. Anyone? Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! From ???@??? Fri Sep 19 23:19:59 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 19 10:06:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xC6W1-0000OJ-00; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:06:49 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970919100242.007bc290@pmail1.csuhayward.edu> X-Sender: sgresham@pmail1.csuhayward.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:02:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Scot Gresham-Lancaster Subject: LiSA from STEIM In-Reply-To: <970918191702_215909950@emout15.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"WU9l9D.A.YKH.BArI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/585 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:06:49 -0700 X-UIDL: 3fd6dcf6dbec3882481b86fa6c91dba5 At 07:29 PM 9/18/97 -0400, you wrote: >Can anyone reccomend a good sampler/sequencer for the Macintosh? Prehaps even >forward it? > Right now I'm using BackToBasics in union with SoundEffects, and I'm looking >for something with a bit more precision. > Anyone use a Mac at all? > > If you have a PowerMac you might be interested in checking out LiSA developed at the new music center STEIM in Amsterdam http://www.xs4all.nl/~steim/lisa.html LiSa v1.1 (Live Sampling) LiSa (Live Sampling) is a real-time audio manipulation environment that runs on any Macintosh computer with a PowerPC (PPC) processor. The program uses the 16-bit AD/DA converters of these platforms and the computing power of the PPC RISC processor. This combination turns the Mac into a versatile audio sampling machine, able to generate up to 64 voices on a fast PPC604e equipped machine. Complete program control is possible via Midi, thus allowing the user to work with this system in a performance environment. The system contains one big Sample Buffer, and the user defines so called 'Zones' which have access to some part of the sample buffer. A library of Zones can be created (more than two thousand) and each Zone can have six different functions: 1) Playing back the sample buffer's data (start and length as defined by the Zone) in various ways. 2) Recording audio data into the sample buffer (start and length as defined by the Zone) in various ways. 3) Reading a sample file from disk into the sample buffer (start and length as defined by the Zone). 4) Writing part of the sample buffer (start and length as defined by the Zone) as a sample file to disk. 5) Copying data from the 'Output' or 'Process' buffer back to the sample buffer. 6) Reading saved recording data into the sample buffer (start and length as defined by the Zone). Since the user has access to these Zones thru Midi, the top layer of the system is organized as 'Presets', each Preset enables the user to assign the Zones to one or more Midi note events. The program can store up to 128 Presets, whereby each Preset can load a so called 'Preset Image' lll (sample file) into the sample buffer in various ways. Each Preset can have different Zone assignments for each of the 16 Midi channels, so flexibility is the keyword here. LiSa does not try to compete with hardware samplers in terms of ultimate sound quality, no, it tries to compete in terms of flexibility. One of the more important features of LiSa is that at all times the user is able to record new samples in the sample buffer, not only while other Zones are playing, using this part of the sample buffer, but more than one recording Zone may be active, meaning that the samples can be recorded in different parts of the sample buffer simultaneously! To use the program you will need: Any PowerMacintosh computer with System 7.5 or higher OMS or The Apple Midi Manager (driver, manager, patchbay) Sound Manager 3.1 or higher Scot Gresham-Lancaster < Neo-Luddite Technology Victim > ph: 510-885-3150 fax: 885-3461 www: http://tesla.csuhayward.edu/~scot/sglbio.html From ???@??? Fri Sep 19 23:20:03 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 19 10:50:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xC7CL-0003k1-00; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:50:33 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:45:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Rik Elswit Message-Id: <199709191745.KAA11088@well.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplex price Resent-Message-ID: <"RHz74C.A.9FD.MprI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/586 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:50:33 -0700 X-UIDL: 5ce5ed4ee01ab97ba3aa96bf59962ad8 Kim, could you pull me off the mailing list for a couple of weeks? I'm taking a vacation, and I'm not taking a computer. (I will, however, be taking my Echoplex, and no, I'm not addicted to it. i could quit anytime I want.) From ???@??? Fri Sep 19 23:20:05 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 19 11:07:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xC7SF-0005II-00; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:06:59 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970919105528.00a81410@global.california.com> X-Sender: sechevar@global.california.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:55:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: music In-Reply-To: <199709190929_MC2-2108-AA92@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"spo9oC.A.piE.r4rI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/588 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:06:59 -0700 X-UIDL: 514281f42b2c2fab6675578838e9dcc8 Ok, you've got my atention - any more you can tell us about the Manring project? At 07:36 AM 9/19/97 -0400, Jon Durant wrote: >What am I listening to? Currently I'm only listening to the projects I'm in >the middle of trying to finish: the new Michael Manring CD (due early next >year, and features some v.cool loopage from the bass meister) and a very From ???@??? Fri Sep 19 23:20:05 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 19 11:00:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xC7Lj-0004eC-00; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:00:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199709191753.KAA19920@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: "Loop" Subject: Re: music ---> Mac programs Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:55:36 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iO8TGD.A.k6D.ayrI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/587 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:00:15 -0700 X-UIDL: 961114622929a59b81a0c4788877792f > From: Stephen P. Goodman > It's just that all of the Mac users who regularly get my Loop Of The Week > are using proprietary or non-shareware packages to loop the file. It would > be nice to hear of a package that I could recommend to Mac users, and > perhaps provide a link to as well. Stephen, I use SoundMachine (I think that's the name...it's at home, I'm at work) on the Mac. It will playback WAV and AIFF files and smoothly loop them. I also use another shareware program but I can't remember the name right now. Hope that helps. Matt From ???@??? Fri Sep 19 23:20:10 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 19 11:39:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xC7y6-00002S-00; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:39:54 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Mac Sequencer Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:32:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 28 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: <"tyVDl.A.DwG.pVsI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/589 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:39:54 -0700 X-UIDL: 9540216c83f478ac51172d900543f7ce >>>>>>>quote>>>>> >From: GILGOOD@aol.com >Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Sent: Thursday, September 18, 1997 6:29 PM >To: John_Ott@ATK.COM >Subject: Re: music > >Can anyone reccomend a good sampler/sequencer for the Macintosh? Prehaps even >forward it? > Right now I'm using BackToBasics in union with SoundEffects, and I'm looking >for something with a bit more precision. > Anyone use a Mac at all? > <<<< end quote <<<< I use Freesytle from Mark Of the Unicorn. Http://www.motu.com you can download a demo version from their site. It is available for both Mac an PC. I use the Mac version. The software has looping possibilities which I have yet to fully explore. They are about to release version 2. any day now. see Web site for details. later >John From ???@??? Fri Sep 19 23:20:10 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 19 12:28:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xC8jD-0004GA-00; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:28:35 -0700 Message-ID: <3422D098.C21@tradesvc.com> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:20:56 -0700 From: dave stafford X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: The latest about OBERHEIM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDMail-Server: MDaemon v2.5 rB b1 32-R X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: dstaffor@tradesvc.com Resent-Message-ID: <"Z6EUpC.A.edD.tEtI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/590 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:28:35 -0700 X-UIDL: 22fd166d831d6b1ab42ffa324b004711 first a disclaimer: I am about two months behind on reading L-D. I scanned the last few digests, and saw no mention of the Obie, so here goes: About FOUR weeks ago, I left a message on some salesman's phone at Oberheim in California asking him what the turnaround time for the upgrade REALLY was, and could I pay an expedite to get it done more quickly. (Like many of you, the thought of having my main creative tool missing for some three to twelve weeks is not a pleasant thought). Of course there were no humans there, and I left a voice mail. About weeks ago a very nice gentleman named Pat Murphy called me from Gibson. He said that the job of returning those calls had not been done by anyone "for a week or so" and apologized for the delay in returning my call. I expressed my frustration at attempting to deal with Oberheim in general (i.e. you can never reach a PERSON, and even if you do leave a message they never return your calls, their turnaround time for repairs is very long etc.). He pretty much agreed with me, and then informed me that I could get the upgrade myself directly from him, as long as I was savvy enough to replace a chip. My logic kicked in, and I figure that for $45.00 even if I messed it up the first time and had to buy a second one, it would only cost $90.00. Compare this to $80.00 and a LONG wait from a company notorious for it's non-responsiveness... Then, however, Pat told me that the chips were "on the way" from California. (Ironic since *I* am *in* California). We discussed how to go about getting me one, and the deal is you must send a MONEY ORDER (read: irretrievable cash instrument, unless you file a mail fraud suit!) directly to him, and then when the chips arrived, he would send one out to me. About TWO weeks ago, I went and mailed the money order to Pat. About TWO days ago, I made a follow-up call to Pat. Again, he was very helpful, and I asked him point blank if the chips had shipped From ???@??? Fri Sep 19 23:20:11 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 19 12:46:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xC90X-0005wN-00; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:46:29 -0700 Message-ID: <3422D496.1B6E@tradesvc.com> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:37:58 -0700 From: dave stafford X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: the rest of the story about OBERHEIM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDMail-Server: MDaemon v2.5 rB b1 32-R X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: dstaffor@tradesvc.com Resent-Message-ID: <"hRZVM.A.eBF.AVtI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/591 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:46:29 -0700 X-UIDL: 9a78b752212dc48acad3c59569abc175 sorry about that, some strange combination of keystrokes just mailed the incomplete message... where was I? oh yeah ...About TWO days ago, I made a follow-up call to Pat. Again, he was very helpful, he "had my check right in front of him", verified my ship to address etc. I asked him point blank if the chips had shipped from California. He said they would ship "today at the latest". I then asked how long it would take for them to arrive at Gibson. He said "a week or so", so I asked if they were coming on the slow boat. He then made a remarkable statement "they've just finished packing up the whole facility and they are moving it out here". Perhaps you already knew this (I'll bet Kim and Mathias probably did) but it came as a bit of a shock to me! So from what I understand, they are moving Oberheim, lock, stock and barrel right into Gibson's main facility. I remarked to Pat that I would hope that this move would make it easier for Gibson/Oberheim to respond to people's needs, and he claimed that it would make it "much easier". So I am keeping my fingers crossed: that the chips will eventually arrive at Gibson; that they will then turn around and send me one; that it does indeed arrive with clear instructions as promised (Kim- any tips/hints/warnings here??? things to beware of in changing out the chip???) and that I can get it installed without a problem. Any similar experiences here in L-D land? Pat Murphy can be reached at 1-800-4GIBSON X 348. The address to which I sent the money order: GIBSON 1818 Elm Hill Pike Nashville, TN 37210 Let's hope this is a GOOD thing. But I'd say if you are trying to call, fax or email the California office you are probably wasting your time. Thanks! dave at studio seventeen REPLIES TO ambient@adnc.com and/or the list...please. From ???@??? Fri Sep 19 23:20:14 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 19 13:16:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xC9TD-0000u2-00; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:16:07 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:09:54 -0700 (PDT) From: The Man Himself To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: the rest of the story about OBERHEIM In-Reply-To: <3422D496.1B6E@tradesvc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"mst6Q.A.hN.PwtI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/592 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:16:07 -0700 X-UIDL: 73db336f223d4f1876cd6cfacbe599a5 On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, dave stafford wrote: > Any similar experiences here in L-D land? Indeed. I was just about to post to the list asking for a phone number where I could reach Pat Murphy, since he hasn't yet responded to my last e-mail, which I shall include below in order to best illustrate my current predicament. Thanks very much for the info, Dave. ------ >From altruist@shoko.calarts.eduFri Sep 19 12:58:31 1997 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:27:46 -0700 (PDT) From: The Man Himself To: pmurphy@gibson.com Subject: Echoplex status Pat -- It has come to my attention that the Oakland Oberheim offices are closed, and are in the process of moving to the Gibson offices in Nashville. I am extremely curious as to what this means with regards to my Echoplex unit which was being repaired in Oakland, and which, according to you, was to be ready early this week (i.e. right about now, as I write this). Since I was originally informed of a roughly four-week turnaround for the repair work, and since it has now been over eight weeks since I sent in my unit, and since I have already sent you payment for the repair work (which would lead one to believe that the services rendered have been completed), I would appreciate your informing me as to what is going on with my Echoplex. --Andre LaFosse From ???@??? Fri Sep 19 23:20:14 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 19 13:26:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xC9dI-00024J-00; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:26:32 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:20:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Rik Elswit Message-Id: <199709192020.NAA17199@well.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: the rest of the story about OBERHEIM Resent-Message-ID: <"EGq9DD.A.uUB.m6tI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/593 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:26:32 -0700 X-UIDL: fe28b117f60dec6c9275b9ac379fe5d7 "Since I was originally informed of a roughly four-week turnaround for the repair work, and since it has now been over eight weeks since I sent in my unit, and since I have already sent you payment for the repair work (which would lead one to believe that the services rendered have been completed), I would appreciate your informing me as to what is going on with my" I don't want to sound like an apologist for Oberheim, but the new regime has spent the last two weeks doing the move and getting set up. They have been very good about getting back to me and staying in communication. When I sent my piece in for repair, I had a similar experience to yours. But I pu all this on the old management. The new management just took over, and they have a lot of cleaning up to do. Rik Elswit From ???@??? Fri Sep 19 23:20:15 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 19 13:53:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xCA2x-0004ZC-00; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:53:03 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:45:18 -0700 (PDT) From: The Man Himself To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: the rest of the story about OBERHEIM In-Reply-To: <199709192020.NAA17199@well.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"oLD2y.A.NfD.gRuI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/594 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:53:03 -0700 X-UIDL: 816c2b4f94784cd50d7d561ac18e9e3d On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, Rik Elswit wrote: > I don't want to sound like an apologist for Oberheim, but the new regime has > spent the last two weeks doing the move and getting set up. They have been > very good about getting back to me and staying in communication. When I > sent my piece in for repair, I had a similar experience to yours. But I pu > all this on the old management. The new management just took over, and they > have a lot of cleaning up to do. I just got off the phone with Pat Murphy. He asked what the last word had been when he had gotten back to me; I told him that I had not recieved a response from him with regards to my last question. He wondered aloud if he had even recieved the e-mail I had sent him; after searching through his computer he finally found my letter. He remarked that he had thought he'd gotten back to me; after checking, he confirmed my report that he had not. He (of COURSE) confirmed the now widespread news of the Oakland-Gibson transit. He told me that there was a repair team standing by once the move was completed, and that my repair job was in fact at the very top of the list. I then asked him why it was that I had sent a check in to cover repair costs when there had in fact been no repair work yet done, and consequently no way to accurately gauge how much labor would have to be done (and, consequently, how much it might cost). He said that all of their information had come from Mike Lyon in California. I then pointed out that I had been informed (again, by Pat) that my unit was to have been ready earlier this week. Pat's only explanation was that Mike Lyon must have been "lying." I then asked if Mike Lyon's address of mlyon@gibson.com was still vaild, to which Pat replied that Mike Lyon no longer works for Gibson. I sincerely hope that the transition of operations from Oakland to Nashville improves things with regards to Oberheim's customer service. I know I'm not the only one feeling the burn from all of this right now... --Andre From ???@??? Fri Sep 19 23:20:21 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 19 14:09:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xCAIg-0006A9-00; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:09:18 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970919140557.006f40c4@mail.transport.com> X-Sender: mgriffin@mail.transport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:05:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "M. Griffin" Subject: Re: the rest of the story about OBERHEIM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"m8p_nC.A.JYF.DkuI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/595 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:09:18 -0700 X-UIDL: d1c17f3b0166f2d0874a4ebe9f336200 >I then asked him why it was that I had sent a check in to cover >repair costs when there had in fact been no repair work yet done, and >consequently no way to accurately gauge how much labor would have to be >done (and, consequently, how much it might cost). He said that all of >their information had come from Mike Lyon in California. I then pointed >out that I had been informed (again, by Pat) that my unit was to have been >ready earlier this week. Pat's only explanation was that Mike Lyon must >have been "lying." > >I then asked if Mike Lyon's address of mlyon@gibson.com was still vaild, >to which Pat replied that Mike Lyon no longer works for Gibson. Just to throw in another non-Echoplex-related Oberheim story, in which Mike Lyon figures... A year or two ago, I ordered a manual for an Oberheim Matrix 1000 synth. Following Mike Lyon's directions, I mailed in my check for $25 (for the thin little spiral-bound book) to his attention. Two months later my check had been cashed, but still no manual. I called him back several times and received no answer, and finally wrote an angry letter addressed to "Oberheim Customer Service" in Oakland. I received a call back from Mike, apologizing for the delay and saying that he had just mailed out the manual that morning. Weeks later, I still hadn't received it. Another round of phone calls, angry faxes and letters, and finally I heard back from Mike Lyons again. He didn't remember ever having talked to me before, but he agreed that three months was a long time to wait for a manual that they had readily available, especially when my check had already been cashed. He promised to send it out right away. When I pointed out that he had already promised this several times, and that I expected he would do better than that, he scoffed and remarked that I was being paranoid. Still later, almost 5 months after my check had been cashed, still no Matrix 1000 manual. This time, I sent out faxes and letters, and left voice mail messages, to a variety of names and departments at Oberheim... no response at all. Finally, by random chance, I saw the email address of someone at Gibson, and thought I'd email them and tell them what had happened, and see if they could help. Though the individual at Gibson who I contacted didn't know me, and had no relation to the Oberheim division, he somehow made sure I received my manual within a few days. I thanked him by email, and asked him what the problem was with this Mike Lyons. He was vague in his response, but indicated that he had heard mumblings of problems in certain departments in Oberheim Oakland. Just seeing that name brought the whole story back. I'll try to forget it again! --Mike mgriffin@hypnos.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . H Y P N O S R E C O R D I N G S web site at http://www.HYPNOS.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . JEFF GREINKE -- Official Web Site at http://www.hypnos.com/greinke From ???@??? Fri Sep 19 23:20:24 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 19 15:10:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xCBGE-0003wY-00; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:10:50 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:04:47 -0400 (EDT) From: MIvanBerk@aol.com Message-ID: <970919180434_1290818349@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Echoplex upgrade? Resent-Message-ID: <"_hDhiC.A.tOD.AdvI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/596 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:10:50 -0700 X-UIDL: 976e8052d4f397de5dacf98a0258d912 Has anybody obtained the Echoplex "v. 5.0" upgrade currently advertised (for $45) on Gibson's website? Positive experiences? Negative experiences? From ???@??? Fri Sep 19 23:20:28 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 19 17:12:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xCDAF-0005FB-00; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:12:47 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970919190055.007da1d0@texas.net> X-Sender: ranjones@texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 19:00:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Randy Jones Subject: Re: Echoplex upgrade? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"bMaUe.A.hdE.TPxI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/597 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:12:47 -0700 X-UIDL: e5c7a548988b0e88a33fc8db56b2a401 Could you please provide the URL for the described? Thanks, Randy At 06:04 PM 9/19/97 -0400, you wrote: >Has anybody obtained the Echoplex "v. 5.0" upgrade currently advertised (for >$45) on Gibson's website? Positive experiences? Negative experiences? > > > From ???@??? Fri Sep 19 23:20:29 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 19 17:58:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xCDsv-0000SR-00; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:58:57 -0700 Message-ID: <34231E78.7A1@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:53:12 -0700 From: William Green X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Looking for software X-URL: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/list/LoopList.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1nBv8D.A.aJ._7xI0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/598 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:58:57 -0700 X-UIDL: 798f49a92d0613572fde7f9225940756 Does anyone know where I can find a copy of the software program "M" by Intellegent Music for windows? Are there any other windows programs that allow independent midi looping? From ???@??? Fri Sep 19 23:20:39 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 19 20:37:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xCGMi-0002Jg-00; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 20:37:52 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970919233453.0069d0f0@popmail.voicenet.com> X-Sender: floyd@popmail.voicenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:34:53 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: Echoplex upgrade? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970919190055.007da1d0@texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"kvN0fB.A.97B.kQ0I0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/599 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 20:37:52 -0700 X-UIDL: ab477b33e63b95bb077ba23de6815ada At 07:00 PM 9/19/97 -0500, you wrote: >Could you please provide the URL for the described? >Thanks, >Randy > http://www.gibson.net/products/oberheim/LoopUpgrade.html From ???@??? Fri Sep 19 23:20:40 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 19 21:06:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xCGoc-0003nS-00; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:06:42 -0700 Message-ID: <19970920040157.21720.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [164.67.20.80] From: "Joseph Buck" To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: hologram, means, and ends Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:01:56 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"6uFyGB.A.YTD.xr0I0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/600 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:06:42 -0700 X-UIDL: 1274cbd65f4fd18af44335022bdbeb7f Kim- Your original post had hung in my inbox and although toast on friday night from work i reckon imma gonna chime in. I had joined the delight eons ago for about two weeks when under the weight of some rather trainspotterish gearheadedry i dropped the list... for me all the gear and knobs and whatsits have been a means to an end and not an end in and of itself. i didn't even think the list again until david torn had forwarded on to me (god bless his little heart :)) a posting he had sent here about trying to take the medium outside of its confines... as per usual for dt really thoughtful and thought provoking stuff. So here I am back again. And I'm glad I missed the as you say "who's better guitarists, dj's, or bassoonists" flame fest" that happened...but what I would love to hear is how non guitarists are using these tools when the majority have been made with guitarists in mind...I use my guitar for looping about 10% of the time I would imagine. for me the true joy of looping is that it has allowed me the ability to create what I call "hologram" music which 1. is composed of sounds that are, represent, or will remind people of something and 2.a section of it shows the larger structure.... salam, buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Sat Sep 20 17:16:54 1997 >From kflint Sat Sep 20 02:50:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xCMBd-0004bx-00; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 02:50:49 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199709192020.NAA17199@well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:58:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: the rest of the story about OBERHEIM Resent-Message-ID: <"emiZGB.A.9xD.yr5I0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/602 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 02:50:49 -0700 X-UIDL: dc29a2c3b8c648331b656b14d5b0e1ca >On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, Rik Elswit wrote: > >> I don't want to sound like an apologist for Oberheim, but the new regime has >> spent the last two weeks doing the move and getting set up. They have been >> very good about getting back to me and staying in communication. When I >> sent my piece in for repair, I had a similar experience to yours. But I pu >> all this on the old management. The new management just took over, and they >> have a lot of cleaning up to do. I've had good experiences with the new folks so far, too. And they do have a lot of work ahead of them. I don't envy the poor guys that have to sort through all the junk packed in the trucks. The seem very motivated, though, and I'm looking forward to working with them. Andre: >He (of COURSE) confirmed the now widespread news of the Oakland-Gibson >transit. He told me that there was a repair team standing by once the >move was completed, and that my repair job was in fact at the very top of >the list. I then asked him why it was that I had sent a check in to cover >repair costs when there had in fact been no repair work yet done, and >consequently no way to accurately gauge how much labor would have to be >done (and, consequently, how much it might cost). He said that all of >their information had come from Mike Lyon in California. I then pointed >out that I had been informed (again, by Pat) that my unit was to have been >ready earlier this week. Pat's only explanation was that Mike Lyon must >have been "lying." heh. Mike didn't actually know about the move until the day it happened. It was one of THOSE kinds of moves for which Gibson is notorious. So he might not have been lying...I had an amusing front row seat, because I happened to stop by OB about two minutes after my old buddy Rik Olsen arrived. Rik used to play guitar in the pop-rock band Berlin, and is now Gibson's director of security. Asset protection, he calls it. Really nice guy, but....during the later days of gwiz we used to sing "Take my Job Away" to the tune of "Take my Breath Away"....ah, it brought back memories of some special moments from the gwiz days..... >I sincerely hope that the transition of operations from Oakland to >Nashville improves things with regards to Oberheim's customer service. I >know I'm not the only one feeling the burn from all of this right now... > >--Andre It looks pretty good so far, hopefully they'll get it right this time. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Sep 20 17:16:53 1997 >From kflint Sat Sep 20 02:48:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xCM9F-0004OY-00; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 02:48:21 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970919233453.0069d0f0@popmail.voicenet.com> References: <3.0.32.19970919190055.007da1d0@texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 02:41:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex upgrade? Resent-Message-ID: <"gya9nB.A.gxD.vr5I0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/601 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 02:48:21 -0700 X-UIDL: 68b48f78171256d7c45d9a6968f110bf At 11:34 PM -0400 9/19/97, Floyd Miller wrote: >At 07:00 PM 9/19/97 -0500, you wrote: >>Could you please provide the URL for the described? >>Thanks, >>Randy >> > > http://www.gibson.net/products/oberheim/LoopUpgrade.html The description on the gibson web site is an excessively abridged version of the release notes from Aurisis Research. (developers of Loop, the technology in the plex) I'll be putting the whole thing on the Looper's Delight site this weekend, for those who are interested. It's been posted to the list a couple of times, and I believe it can now be found in the list archives on the website as well. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Sep 20 17:16:54 1997 >From kflint Sat Sep 20 02:48:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xCM9m-0004Re-00; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 02:48:54 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3422D496.1B6E@tradesvc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 02:42:58 -0700 To: ambient@adnc.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: the rest of the story about OBERHEIM Resent-Message-ID: <"LS_pMC.A.w4D.ts5I0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/603 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 02:48:54 -0700 X-UIDL: 104b765e7785acff69effa6787cd9d9d At 12:37 PM -0700 9/19/97, dave stafford wrote: >I remarked to Pat that I would hope that this move would make it easier >for Gibson/Oberheim to respond to people's needs, and he claimed that it >would make it "much easier". Well, it would be real hard to make it much worse...:-) >So I am keeping my fingers crossed: that the chips will eventually >arrive at Gibson; that they will then turn around and send me one; that >it does indeed arrive with clear instructions as promised (Kim- any >tips/hints/warnings here??? things to beware of in changing out the >chip???) and that I can get it installed without a problem. It's pretty easy. You get two eprom chips. Take the top off the echoplex to reveal it's innards. (unplug if first! and ground yourself to protect against static.) You'll see two similar chips in sockets. Use a small flathead screwdriver to carefully lift those out. Carefully insert the new chips in the sockets. The PCB is labeled so you'll see which chip goes in which socket. Put the top back on, plug it in. Turn the power on with the parameter button pressed to initialize it, and you're done. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Sep 20 17:17:02 1997 >From kflint Sat Sep 20 07:37:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xCQf8-000385-00; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 07:37:34 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970920092151.007d4100@texas.net> X-Sender: ranjones@texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:21:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Randy Jones Subject: Re: the rest of the story about OBERHEIM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"QbD59.A.aEC.Z29I0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/604 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 07:37:34 -0700 X-UIDL: c65ffe51cfe02664aab28d956e83b8e9 Hello, That's a great WhatEverHappenedTo... Story. "SEX" by Berlin is on my Best of 83" tape which still gets played around here. Director of Security, WOW! I'm sending my $45 today and I'm ready to open er up. Thanks Kim for the work and education you have provided. Randy At 12:58 AM 9/20/97 -0700, you wrote: >>On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, Rik Elswit wrote: >> >>> I don't want to sound like an apologist for Oberheim, but the new regime has >>> spent the last two weeks doing the move and getting set up. They have been >>> very good about getting back to me and staying in communication. When I >>> sent my piece in for repair, I had a similar experience to yours. But I pu >>> all this on the old management. The new management just took over, and they >>> have a lot of cleaning up to do. > >I've had good experiences with the new folks so far, too. And they do have >a lot of work ahead of them. I don't envy the poor guys that have to sort >through all the junk packed in the trucks. The seem very motivated, though, >and I'm looking forward to working with them. > >Andre: >>He (of COURSE) confirmed the now widespread news of the Oakland-Gibson >>transit. He told me that there was a repair team standing by once the >>move was completed, and that my repair job was in fact at the very top of >>the list. I then asked him why it was that I had sent a check in to cover >>repair costs when there had in fact been no repair work yet done, and >>consequently no way to accurately gauge how much labor would have to be >>done (and, consequently, how much it might cost). He said that all of >>their information had come from Mike Lyon in California. I then pointed >>out that I had been informed (again, by Pat) that my unit was to have been >>ready earlier this week. Pat's only explanation was that Mike Lyon must >>have been "lying." > >heh. Mike didn't actually know about the move until the day it happened. It >was one of THOSE kinds of moves for which Gibson is notorious. So he might >not have been lying...I had an amusing front row seat, because I happened >to stop by OB about two minutes after my old buddy Rik Olsen arrived. Rik >used to play guitar in the pop-rock band Berlin, and is now Gibson's >director of security. Asset protection, he calls it. Really nice guy, >but....during the later days of gwiz we used to sing "Take my Job Away" to >the tune of "Take my Breath Away"....ah, it brought back memories of some >special moments from the gwiz days..... > > >>I sincerely hope that the transition of operations from Oakland to >>Nashville improves things with regards to Oberheim's customer service. I >>know I'm not the only one feeling the burn from all of this right now... >> >>--Andre > >It looks pretty good so far, hopefully they'll get it right this time. > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > > > From ???@??? Sat Sep 20 17:17:06 1997 >From kflint Sat Sep 20 10:36:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xCTSj-0004Ub-00; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 10:36:57 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970920173028.006a4d8c@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: gls@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 12:30:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Grover Sheffield Subject: Re: the rest of the story about OBERHEIM Resent-Message-ID: <"Wrp4AB.A.HrD.7fAJ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/605 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 10:36:57 -0700 X-UIDL: b76006acc067c33658f7acba9258fc1b I've been a Looper lurker for about a month, doing my homework before purchasing . I'm leaning toward the Echoplex vs. Boomerang because of the increased sampling time/sound quality and flexibility (I play jazz flavored acoustic guitar/vocal solo - slightly twisted covers of 40's-90's and neo-natal sequencing with MIDI/AXON - anyone similar, please write). While waiting, I'm trying to see if I can set up some looping functions on my PC via Cubase Lite or Power Traks by PG Music until I get one of the above units (it sounds like it will be several months before an Echoplex is available). Anyone with suggestions for these or other software looping programs will be appreciated. Also, I read somewhere that KORG is bringing a unit out in January. Anyone else heard of this? Thanks for all the information so far Kim and everyone else! Grover From ???@??? Sat Sep 20 17:17:07 1997 >From kflint Sat Sep 20 11:27:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xCUFI-0007gY-00; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 11:27:08 -0700 Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 11:27:12 -0700 X-Sender: sgresham@pmail1.csuhayward.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Scot Gresham Lancaster Subject: Re: Looking for software Message-Id: Resent-Message-ID: <"T3V_KB.A.M7G.2RBJ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/606 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 11:27:08 -0700 X-UIDL: baea61372cc2960d72d5debe6be76e56 At 05:53 PM 9/19/97 -0700, William Green wrote: >Does anyone know where I can find a copy of the software program >"M" by Intellegent Music for windows? > You might be able to get it from EMF at www.emf.org that's joel Chadibe's New music distribution and information company. He ran Intelligent music where "M" was originally distibuted. Great program... >Are there any other windows programs that allow independent midi >looping? > Tim Thompson's "Key Kit" is a construction kit for windows (and now Mac too) that has a bunch of midi loop thingies and user extensibility. It has a low level awk like language that is very flexible... ciao, x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0x0 Scot Gresham-Lancaster scot@csuhayward.edu MB1525a ph: 510-885-3150 CSUHayward fax:510-885-3461 Hayward, CA 94542 From ???@??? Sun Sep 21 15:17:57 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 21 14:37:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xCtgh-0001v2-00; Sun, 21 Sep 1997 14:37:07 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970921173346.0069c9bc@popmail.voicenet.com> X-Sender: floyd@popmail.voicenet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:33:46 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Floyd Miller Subject: Re: Looking for software In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"T0gU1C.A.xhB.2JZJ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/607 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 14:37:07 -0700 X-UIDL: 5e2783bd7f4ad6146553c881a80a3517 At 11:27 AM 9/20/97 -0700, you wrote: >At 05:53 PM 9/19/97 -0700, William Green wrote: >>Does anyone know where I can find a copy of the software program >>"M" by Intellegent Music for windows? >> >You might be able to get it from EMF at www.emf.org that's joel Chadibe's >New music distribution and information company. He ran Intelligent music >where "M" was originally distibuted. Hmmm. I have an old program (circa 1992) on my Mac called M. It's a music generartion program from Dr. T's Music Software. I wonder if it's the same or similar. I haven't used it for a long time and not not sure it runs on the newer Mac OS versions. It was fun to play with but always seemed to require me scrambling my system's MIDI setup. An newer, OMS=aware version would be great :) **************** ********** Floyd Miller ****** floyd@voicenet.com ** http://www.voicenet.com/~floyd From ???@??? Mon Sep 22 10:08:29 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 22 01:00:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xD3Pk-00046n-00; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 01:00:16 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 00:55:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: belated LD b-day and echoplex stuff on the web Resent-Message-ID: <"FpGOGB.A.mqD.rSiJ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/608 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 01:00:16 -0700 X-UIDL: 8f8398eb2570063b7f3ef7ebfd5bb7cb ok, I totally forgot, but the Looper's Delight list had it's 1 year anniversary Sept 10. It's been a remarkable year, really. We've formed an amazing little community here with all sorts of interesting folk. I think we've done a lot to define what looping actually is and further it's advance into the musical consciousness. Lot's of people have contributed their time and ideas to make Looper's Delight a better place, and I think we all appreciate that. We've covered tons of ground, and I'm looking forward to another year covering tons more. Membership continues to grow at a steady rate, although fortunately not too fast. I think we are still under 300, which has given us time to get to know one another and create a good vibe for the list. Probably it will start rising faster if the web site is an indication. LD has been averaging well over 2000 hits a week and rising fast for the past few months, with a record 2905 hits last week. List subscription activity is increasing along with it. So for all of you who have stopped by, thanks for making it fun, here's to another year.... Also, for those interested I put the Aurisis release notes for the new Oberheim Echoplex software on the echoplex part of the web site, and updated the echoplex FAQ to go with it. The FAQ hadn't been updated since last november! jeez...better late than never I guess. I'll probably make another pass at the FAQ, since there is plenty of more material floating around. So if there's something you think should be on there, let me know. And as always, if anyone else is interested in contributing to any part of the web site, by all means do so! The more people help out, the better it gets. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Sep 22 10:08:33 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 22 03:49:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xD63r-0000jL-00; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 03:49:51 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970922054031.007d7ad0@texas.net> X-Sender: ranjones@texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 05:40:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Randy Jones Subject: Re: belated LD b-day and echoplex stuff on the web Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"8sSo-C.A.yi.-ykJ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/609 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 03:49:51 -0700 X-UIDL: 8a3b86c321b3c04be360241dd3204399 Hello, I think it would be informative to have a section called "Fun Things to Do With the EchoPlex" and have members send in say 3-10 things they like to do with the EchoPlex, with a walkthrough on the knobs and buttons. Maybe the Vortex while we are at it. I'm a newbie with both, but will contribute as soon as I learn a little more. Thanks, Randy > The FAQ hadn't been updated since >last november! jeez...better late than never I guess. I'll probably make >another pass at the FAQ, since there is plenty of more material floating >around. So if there's something you think should be on there, let me know. >kim From ???@??? Mon Sep 22 10:08:37 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 22 07:15:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xD9HA-00031c-00; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 07:15:48 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970922091858.0069c8e4@infinitesound.com> X-Sender: verner@infinitesound.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:18:58 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: verner@infinitesound.com Subject: 1 Year Old Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"pZu-D.A.UjC._ynJ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/611 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 07:15:48 -0700 X-UIDL: 0e5da6f1b149f538b1b4fba8659cde09 Happy Birthday - and many more to come! Keep looping. J. Arif Verner ____________________________________________________________________ Infinite Sound Studio Ithaca, New York http://www.infinitesound.com "After silence that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music." -Aldous Huxley From ???@??? Mon Sep 22 10:08:36 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 22 06:45:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xD8nr-0001SO-00; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 06:45:31 -0700 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F048720@MAIL> From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: seasons & music Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:43:29 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"qFO-4C.A.HJB.pWnJ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/610 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 06:45:31 -0700 X-UIDL: 7f0931275537214c91752fbd4a028693 With the change in seasons, it occurs I wonder if anyone noticed in their music a kind of "seasonal-effect?" That is to say, in the winter I have more "ambient" music in me whereas in the summer I have more conventional music in me. Any thoughts? David Kirkdorffer From ???@??? Mon Sep 22 10:08:38 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 22 07:27:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xD9SR-0003sX-00; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 07:27:27 -0700 Message-Id: <20626.199709221422@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 15:22:30 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD) Subject: RE: upgrading the Jamman Resent-Message-ID: <"BjAX6B.A.RVD.Y9nJ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/612 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 07:27:27 -0700 X-UIDL: eb92929d59ad1fd893f868b9b93a5eed Hi Greg >Unless your machines have a serial number prefix <394 all you will need >to do is follow the upgrade instructions in the manual and make sure >that you are taking all precautions against getting static into the >machine. My serial no. is K0294-05529 ... guess that means me? >If your machine does have a serial number prefix prior to 394 you will >need a special "posidrive" screw driver in order to remove the posidrive >screw that were used in the earlier machines. A what? If I can't locate one of these, are there any alternatives? >Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything >that I can do for you. Could you lend me a Posidrive screwdriver, perchance?? Michael From ???@??? Mon Sep 22 10:08:40 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 22 07:57:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xD9vG-0005dL-00; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 07:57:14 -0700 Message-Id: <21202.199709221452@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 15:52:11 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD) Subject: RE: upgrading the Jamman Resent-Message-ID: <"Hk9TRB.A.Z9E.NZoJ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/613 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 07:57:14 -0700 X-UIDL: 4b39ce553baa6aa773749d9114192d13 Hi all, just to let you know that 1. the JamMan upgrade mail was meant for Greg only - sorry 2. Anybody got any suggestions for the Loop Artists web page yet? Michael From ???@??? Mon Sep 22 10:08:41 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 22 08:09:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xDA73-0006XL-00; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 08:09:25 -0700 Message-Id: <215C1D5A0FFDD011B3CC00805FC18C290F8366@NTSRV2.LEXICON.COM> From: "Hogan, Greg" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: upgrading the Jamman Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 11:03:47 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"z7zw9D.A.2zF.OloJ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/614 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 08:09:25 -0700 X-UIDL: 4f0ad562628c4838116caed248cd5c9f In response to:>If your machine does have a serial number prefix prior to 394 you will > >need a special "posidrive" screw driver in order to remove the > posidrive > >screw that were used in the earlier machines. > Michael asked:"A what? > If I can't locate one of these, are there any alternatives?" > The posidrive screwdrivers are made by Snap-on. A No. 2 Posidrive will work in removing the screws from older JAMMANs. You should be able to find Snap-On products just about anywhere. I am sorry but I do not have a posidrive screwdriver that I can lend you. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone 617-280-0372 FAX 617-280-0499 From ???@??? Mon Sep 22 10:08:45 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 22 09:15:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xDB8j-0003W9-00; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:15:13 -0700 Posted-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:08:36 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970922180914.00734494@pop.stud.ntnu.no> X-Sender: eriklj@pop.stud.ntnu.no X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:09:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Erik Ljones Subject: Re: seasons & music In-Reply-To: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F048720@MAIL> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"v4raZC.A.O3C._gpJ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/615 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:15:13 -0700 X-UIDL: 4e71b14213274eb72b0dc375cd89c42d David Kirkdorffer wrote: >With the change in seasons, it occurs I wonder if anyone noticed in >their music a kind of "seasonal-effect?" Here in Norway, up above the arctic circle, the contrast between the seasons is quite big. As the days get colder and darker, I in general feel a need to disconnect from the world. Being alone in this dark and moody environment usually leads to alot of thinking, which certainly affects the music being made. Not only do I under these conditions feel more alienated, I also feel more creative. My music seems to move slowly over time in a less dynamic manner in the fall and winter, making it sound more "ambient", I guess. For this reason I activily try to expose myself to these conditions. I probably should grow a really long beard and move to a cave up in the mountains or to an iglo somewhere around the North Pole, but then I couldn't be on this list... -Erik- From ???@??? Mon Sep 22 10:33:39 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 22 10:17:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xDC7K-0000g1-00; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:17:50 -0700 Message-Id: <199709221711.KAA20850@usr01.primenet.com> Reply-To: From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: seasons & music Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:09:08 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"MOj0AC.A.XTH.KbqJ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/616 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:17:50 -0700 X-UIDL: 76ae1d4c643e840dc28bfcb0660b30a1 > David Kirkdorffer wrote: > >With the change in seasons, it occurs I wonder if anyone noticed in > >their music a kind of "seasonal-effect?" > > Erik Ljones responded: > > Here in Norway, up above the arctic circle, the contrast between the > seasons is quite big. As the days get colder and darker, I in general feel > a need to disconnect from the world. It would of course be more dramatic, the more contrast exists between seasons, that makes sense, since we have brains that depend a good deal upon contrast for evaluation purposes. I presently am working on a second year's worth of loops for my Book Of Days series (which has a different loop for each of 366 days), with an effort to produce one for each day - which, predictably, will have a seasonal feel to it no doubt. At some point in the future I plan on being more specific as per music for 'traditional' day commemoration. To return to the active topic, though, I find that, when I sit down for the first time in the evening, after the long day, and start to warm up on the loops, it can be an "I-Ching" kind of process. Some loops, as a result, can be rather awful-sounding (and I keep some of those too!). Stephen Goodman * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios EarthLight Productions * Get the Loop Of The Week Free! From ???@??? Mon Sep 22 23:52:42 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 22 10:39:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xDCRx-0002h2-00; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:39:09 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970922054031.007d7ad0@texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:32:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: looper tips Resent-Message-ID: <"izLg9.A.S_B.IwqJ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/617 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:39:09 -0700 X-UIDL: 0c46259cd7b4aa986743483992c075b7 I think that's a good idea. Anybody have any interesting ideas? I know a lot of good stuff has been posted to the list already. Might be cool if someone went on a digging expedition through the archives to find good plex/votex/etc tips. In general, the "tips and tricks" part of the web site needs some more material. If you have some idea you'd like to share, toss it on in. Doesn't have to be specific to a particular looper, but it's still fine if it is since that gives a better feel for a specific use of a device. Preformatted in html is a big help..... kim >Hello, > >I think it would be informative to have a section called "Fun Things to Do >With the EchoPlex" and have members send in say 3-10 things they like to do >with the EchoPlex, with a walkthrough on the knobs and buttons. Maybe the >Vortex while we are at it. I'm a newbie with both, but will contribute as >soon as I learn a little more. > >Thanks, >Randy > > >> The FAQ hadn't been updated since >>last november! jeez...better late than never I guess. I'll probably make >>another pass at the FAQ, since there is plenty of more material floating >>around. So if there's something you think should be on there, let me know. > >>kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Sep 22 23:52:46 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 22 12:17:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xDDz4-0002si-00; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 12:17:26 -0700 Message-ID: <19970922191132.16697.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.99] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: jon hassell.... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 12:11:32 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"HuY-OC.A.JRC.jMsJ0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/618 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 12:17:26 -0700 X-UIDL: caac6447db1e26550982df5cb25f0c79 hi holks- thought i would forward on a post i sent to the ambient list on friday about one of the most influential and innovative loopers- jon hassell... _____________________ Well folks its Friday I am fried from work but the ambient digest with all the news for jon hassell (thanks hans)has been sticking out of my inbox saying "do something with me!" there has been a GREAT deal of talk about jon on the eno newsgroup and mailing list, and the sylvian list. not to mention anyone you care to listen to giving thanks and praise to him for constantly bringing something amazing to the table i can't help but think that the zeitgeist be there to have a hassell list. or something.... the fourth world or somesuch. so what do ya kidlets think? salam, buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Mon Sep 22 23:53:35 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 22 23:13:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xDODY-0002jQ-00; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:13:04 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 02:07:04 -0400 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: jon hassell.... Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199709230207_MC2-217F-6340@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"KIlR2.A.8RC.oz1J0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/619 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:13:04 -0700 X-UIDL: 06369c8b27eff1cb2a9fa64ea5b09edc >thought i would forward on a post i sent to the ambient list on friday >about one of the most influential and innovative loopers- jon hassell... Jon Hassell is no doubt one of the most innovative loopers (and he does *not* play guitar!) ... I love his music just as much as Eno's and Fripp's ... are there any news about him? The last of his projects was quite a while ago ... what's he doing nowadays? ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Mon Sep 22 23:53:36 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 22 23:33:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xDOXW-0003yX-00; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:33:42 -0700 Message-ID: <19970923062931.27797.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [164.67.25.174] From: "Joseph Buck" To: MPeters@compuserve.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: jon hassell.... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:29:31 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"5YJI9D.A.xhD.GI2J0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/620 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:33:42 -0700 X-UIDL: 840efd6067edc59e286125216e85f70a Hola Michael- Well it has been awhile but he seems to have picked up the pace. Doing *exceptional* work on the ry cooder score for the end of violence (one of the most thought provoking films I have seen), a track on kd lang's album, a live appearance of bluescreen mkII at a festival in europe, and some installation work.... hassell as eno has said is one of our greatest minds and i am glad he is serving more up... for folks wanting to begin with some hassell try powerspot(eno! jean philippe rykiel!, michael brook!), city: works of fiction (truly magical unknown music), or for loopage unlike you have ever heard- aka darbari java (amazing this was made in 1983!)... his 4th world work with eno seems nigh impossible to get.... salam, buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue Sep 23 10:28:41 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 23 01:37:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xDQT2-0001ni-00; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 01:37:12 -0700 Message-Id: <5221.199709230832@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:32:31 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Michael Pycraft Hughes, PhD) Subject: RE: upgrading the Jamman Resent-Message-ID: <"4DMcDD.A.6dB.o73J0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/621 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 01:37:12 -0700 X-UIDL: 738239e5fd795f39af16740256230124 Greg: >If your machine does have a serial number prefix prior to 394 you will need a >>special "posidrive" screw driver in order to remove the posidrive screw that >>were used in the earlier machines. >The posidrive screwdrivers are made by Snap-on. A No. 2 >Posidrive will work in removing the screws from older JAMMANs. You >should be able to find Snap-On products just about anywhere. I've managed to find someone here with a Posidrive screwdriver. Here's a fact which may be of importance to anyone trying to update early Jammans- Posidrive screws are what hold Macs together. Find a friendly Mac repairman (being an Electronics dept, we have a couple where I work), and you have your driver. >I am sorry but I do not have a posidrive screwdriver that I can >lend you. I was joking, Greg, really.... :) Michael From ???@??? Tue Sep 23 10:28:57 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 23 08:25:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xDWqF-0007fv-00; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:25:35 -0700 From: John Neilson Message-Id: <199709231520.LAA25238@echonyc.com> Subject: Re: jon hassell.... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:20:10 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199709230207_MC2-217F-6340@compuserve.com> from "Michael Peters" at Sep 23, 97 02:07:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FmPjcB.A.-qG.u49J0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/622 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:25:35 -0700 X-UIDL: 31baa4dbb9ba8a20261cd3396fb71283 > > >thought i would forward on a post i sent to the ambient list on friday > >about one of the most influential and innovative loopers- jon hassell... > > Jon Hassell is no doubt one of the most innovative loopers (and he does > *not* play guitar!) ... I love his music just as much as Eno's and Fripp's > ... are there any news about him? The last of his projects was quite a > while ago ... what's he doing nowadays? > ___________ A few things have trickled out lately, including an Italian import CD whose name escapes me, and an EP with 808 State. Hassell has put on two of the most magical shows I've ever seen -- a Powerspot-era live set at the Brooklyn Academy of Music, and the mind boggling show his band did with Eno at the World Financial Center in Manhattan. The latter took place in a glass-roofed arboreum looking out on the Hudson river, where an Eno sound installation ran for several days, filling the space with ambient and insect sounds from nearly 250 tiny speakers concealed in the walls and floor. When it was time for Hassell's performance his band's sound slowly rose out of the soundscape into the foreground. Eno himself was at the mixing desk, and treatments of the various instruments would swell up from various places around the room. (On the first night I had a seat in the 2nd row, and was surprised to hear a lot of sound coming from behind me. On the second night I sat in the middle of the room and just marveled as muted trumpet swells would arise from the floor all around me.) When it was over the band gently faded back into the ambience... ----------------------- Tear Along Dotted Line ----------------------- John Neilson www.mixup.com jneil@mixup.com "a site for sore ears" From ???@??? Tue Sep 23 10:29:02 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 23 10:21:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xDYeZ-0002LA-00; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:21:39 -0700 Message-ID: <19970923171457.6400.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.99] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: jon hassell.... Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:14:57 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"vx3JkC.A.2lB.Pl_J0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/623 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:21:39 -0700 X-UIDL: 01773f379427c5dabf1aa459546cd036 Is that Italian CD (I believe on Materiali Sonori) any good? That 808 state ep actually dates from around the City era. That arboretum show sounds amazing.... Salam, Buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue Sep 23 22:25:36 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 23 12:51:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xDazy-0006T4-00; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:51:54 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:51:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: RE: jon hassell.... Resent-Message-ID: <"w-5ppC.A.CiF.QyBK0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/624 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:51:54 -0700 X-UIDL: 4787b5cea99ed16d006ace4fb5ceff01 >Hola Michael- > >Well it has been awhile but he seems to have picked up the pace. Doing >*exceptional* work on the ry cooder score for the end of violence (one >of the most thought provoking films I have seen), a track on kd lang's >album, a live appearance of bluescreen mkII at a festival in europe, and >some installation work.... I really liked Hassell's playing on Cooders soundtrack to "Trespass". Also, as I was scanning the channels the other night, I noticed that he composed the theme music, but not the incidental music, to the TV series "The Practice". Onbly problem is, I've never managed to catch the beginning of the show, and have not heard this yet. >hassell as eno has said is one of our greatest minds and i am glad he is >serving more up... >for folks wanting to begin with some hassell try powerspot(eno! jean >philippe rykiel!, michael brook!), city: works of fiction (truly magical >unknown music), or for loopage unlike you have ever heard- aka darbari >java (amazing this was made in 1983!)... I second these recommendations completely, City: Works of Fiction is an amazing album, treating urban music, rightly so, as another ethnic source. I listened to it a month ago or so, for the first time in a few years, and its amazing how well it has held up. Bluescreen, which as far as I know is his last CD, has not held up so well for me, it veers close to urban contemporary jazz in places, but has some nice moments. Aka:Darbari:Java is a looping masterpiece, especially considering what tools he made it with. >his 4th world work with eno seems nigh impossible to get.... > I still see the EG records turn up on vinyl, thought I don't believe they were ever issued on CD. Also, a few records he did on Eno's short-lived major label Opal turn up occaisionally: there's an excellent live record with an extremely long title that begins "The Surgeon of the Night Sky...", and a record he did with a traditional african ensemble whose title escapes me right now. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Tue Sep 23 22:25:46 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 23 14:58:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xDcyO-0001LZ-00; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:58:24 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:51:42 -0400 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: jon hassell.... Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199709231751_MC2-2194-4FF9@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"CAwwSC.A.ar.7oDK0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/625 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:58:24 -0700 X-UIDL: 5957379afaa51dd51d4ea6c90632ab63 Dave says: >>his 4th world work with eno seems nigh impossible to get.... >I still see the EG records turn up on vinyl, thought I don't believe they >were ever issued on CD. yes they were, all of them: Vernal Equinox is on Lovely Music I've seen Earthquake Island on CD (does anyone have that and wants to sell it to me?) Possible Musics was a regular EG release on CD Dream Theory in Malaya and Aka-Darbari-Java were released on Japan CDs >and a record he did with a traditional african ensemble >whose title escapes me right now Flash of the Spirit, with Farafina. I saw an incredible concert of that many years ago ... ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Tue Sep 23 22:25:46 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 23 14:58:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xDcyN-0001LO-00; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:58:23 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:51:45 -0400 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: jon hassell.... Sender: Michael Peters To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199709231752_MC2-2194-4FFD@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"Eg_XLD.A.hv.bpDK0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/626 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:58:23 -0700 X-UIDL: ea836bf8b8ed24f1881b0c1e258ad7b8 > Is that Italian CD (I believe on Materiali Sonori) any good? Only for the collector, I'd say. (Like me .) Some of the pieces are taken from the Dream Theory in Malaya album, and there are some others in a similar style, but none of them as good. Also, for some reason, they put some of the dramatic Italian dialogues on the album, some of them over the music. While this might be interesting for the people who saw the show, to me it doesn't seem like a good idea. ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Tue Sep 23 22:25:47 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 23 15:07:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xDd75-0002J5-00; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:07:23 -0700 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199709232201.PAA13080@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: music To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:01:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Kim Flint" at Sep 18, 97 00:33:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4PF3HD.A.zkB.IxDK0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/627 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:07:23 -0700 X-UIDL: 136148bed5b8ac37fa8fedd912457279 Late check-in... > So how about this, what music are you all listening to these days? Which > artists are inspiring you for looping or otherwise? If I go to the record > store on Saturday, what should I get? Lately I've been listening to the following: 3 Trios - Nguyen Le Le originally caught my attention with his CD _Tales Of Vietnam_; mostly Vietnamese folk songs reharmonized into jazz setting. Turns out he's pretty darn good at guitar-playing in a more pure instrumental setting as well. Great stuff from the three acoustic bassists and percussionists on this CD as well. Kiki's Delivery Service Original Soundtrack Soundtrack to the Japanese animated film about a young witch striking out on her own. Nothing particularly revolutionary here; just music I currently enjoy chilling out with - invokes thoughts of the French/German/Swiss countryside. BTW, this was one of several Studio Ghibli movies that routinely clobbered the competition from Disney in Japan. As a result, Disney has agreed to distribute Studio Ghibli films in the U.S. sometime next year. Vision Of Escaflowne Original Sountrack Vol. 1 Soundtrack to the Japanese animated TV series. Most of the music seems to be strongly influeced by orchestral music from the Romantic and Impressionist eras of Western classical tradition (think Star Wars or Raiders Of the Lost Ark). The composer, Yoko Kanno, has also shown a wide variety of influences from ethnic musics to various pop forms to electronic music in her work but aside from the three "pop" tunes (one done entirely with acoustic instruments such as mandolin) this CD is mostly devoted to that big, epic kind of sound. Sol - Greg Howard Features Stick wizard Greg Howard exploring mostly Latin-flavored instrumentals in solo and group settings. Pretty good stuff from one of the premiere players of the instrument. Orblivion - The Orb You all know who these guys are. It seems darker than other albums of theirs I've heard. > Here's another one we haven't delved into for a long time: What is it about > looping that makes it interesting, fun, musical? Why do we want to do it? > Why does it show up in so many types of music? Is it something in human > nature, learned from culture, what? A popular theory is that humans naturally respond to rhythm. Sorry I can't say more - I still have a lot to learn myself. Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Tue Sep 23 22:25:52 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 23 17:32:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xDfNW-0006GE-00; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:32:30 -0700 Message-Id: <199709240022.RAA16229@f53.hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [204.74.108.99] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: a-d-j Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:22:52 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"evqlKB.A.n_E.a2FK0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/628 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:32:30 -0700 X-UIDL: c062bbfbd214d6674f466cedeefdac41 >Dream Theory in Malaya and = > >Aka-Darbari-Java = > >were released on Japan CDs A-D-J was also released here in America on Caroline.... loopers check out that bad boy. esta muy influential para David Torn. salam, buck ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue Sep 23 22:25:52 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 23 18:20:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xDg7X-0002BB-00; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:20:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970924010544.0068f64c@on-ramp.ior.com> X-Sender: eriks@on-ramp.ior.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:05:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: erik simpson Subject: RE: jon hassell.... Resent-Message-ID: <"mfX11C.A.YhB.ZkGK0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/629 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:20:03 -0700 X-UIDL: 931cf86987bf0f67ea89cde9a4453d9b At 12:51 PM 9/23/97 -0800, you wrote: >I still see the EG records turn up on vinyl, thought I don't believe they >were ever issued on CD. Also, a few records he did on Eno's short-lived >major label Opal turn up occaisionally: there's an excellent live record >with an extremely long title that begins "The Surgeon of the Night Sky...", >and a record he did with a traditional african ensemble whose title escapes >me right now. > Just to repeat what others have chimed in with; Actually they all were issued on cd at one time on Caroline, i believe. I snapped them all up when they came out, a few years back. Some of my all time favorite stuff. The one with Farafina was called "Flash of the Spirit". I also have "Earthquake Island", which I believe is pre-Eno, even though there are no recording dates on the disc. It has a bit more of a "Bitches Brew" vibe for me, but with people like Miroslav Vitous, Nana Vasconcelos, Badal Roy and Dom Um Romao, that is hardly surprising, and the trumpet playing still sounds fairly highly processed. Not as much intense looping as his later work, but you can hear how that whole mind-boggling run ("4th World", "Surgeon of the Nightsky..." "Aka/Darbari/Java", "Dream Theory..", etc., etc.) is right around the corner. The man is truly a giant in my estimation, and yes, he does deserve his own list. I would definitely be there. I had been interested in the "End of Violence" score. I got the Soundtrack, (Orbison and Eno is just too weird an idea to pass on, even if the actuality is somewhat (actually much) less than I would have hoped for. But with Barbara Orbison as Executive Producer, you know he wasn't going to be laying the vocal tracks over an extended version of "Somber Reptiles".) and I liked the Cooder track a lot and was going to seek out the Score. Interesting to hear Hassell is on it. (I loved the "Trespass" soundtrack). Now I must redouble my efforts. Back to lurking. Bye; Erik Simpson From ???@??? Wed Sep 24 01:58:03 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 24 00:18:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xDliB-0006cB-00; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:18:15 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970922180914.00734494@pop.stud.ntnu.no> References: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F048720@MAIL> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 04:16:10 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: seasons & music Resent-Message-ID: <"mVt3TB.A.u9F.E4LK0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/630 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:18:15 -0700 X-UIDL: 2f790c8056ed5dd9459374dcae4a4ad8 -Erik-: >My music seems to move slowly over time in a less dynamic manner in the >fall and winter, making it sound more "ambient", I guess. For this reason I >activily try to expose myself to these conditions. yep, I also had the stong impression, when I moved to Brasil, that the change of clima changed my music at least as much as the influence of the local music. Stephen >I presently am working on a second year's worth of loops for my Book Of >Days series (which has a different loop for each of 366 days), with an >effort to produce one for each day What an amazing effort! Is there a chance that the "book" turns publishable? Matthias From ???@??? Wed Sep 24 10:15:35 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 24 06:23:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xDrPq-0000SW-00; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 06:23:42 -0700 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199709241315.JAA05569@shell.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@monmouth.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: JFK's LSD UFO comes alive...... Resent-Message-ID: <"tMwE8C.A.5G.ONRK0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/631 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 06:23:42 -0700 X-UIDL: 107228c1f7aaec9fc1c9fb5940edd920 >hello fellow loopers/digital guitarists.... welcome to the fall... those of you in the east of north america... i've got a couple shows coming up - lots of live looping, digital noise, analog tweakage, vortex abuse, midi-evil squack, y'know...if you haven't heard us yet - check it out!!! Thanks to all of you who've bought our debut cassette at the store or thru the mail or thru internet... we really appreciate it. It's chaotic, quiet/loud duo music FRIDAY SEPT 26 Jfk's Lsd Ufo 9:30 pm EARLY SET!!!!! The Brighton Bar-121 Brighton Ave-Longbranch NJ 732-222-9684 also: SATURDAY SEPT 27 - Jfk's Lsd Ufo Live at THE BOOK PIT 7:30 pm behind Dorn's Photo Shop-Wallace ST, REd bank NJ phone # listed, or call 732-747-6448 for info (this is a cheap, non-smoking, all ages show!!! ) From ???@??? Wed Sep 24 10:15:42 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 24 08:52:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xDtjO-0002fA-00; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 08:52:02 -0700 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:45:05 -0400 From: "Paul J. Dresher" Subject: Signing off for now Sender: "Paul J. Dresher" To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199709241145_MC2-21A6-7A4B@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"CttWaD.A.5_B.2XTK0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/632 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 08:52:02 -0700 X-UIDL: 91b73e59d1e8cd6133b1e17f236c0beb Loopers: Just heading off on tour with my new Echoplexes and a new piece to premier in Canada. I'll be signing off for a while so I just wanted to thank all those who helped me get my tech together in the past month and thank you all for the continuing interesting dialog. Back soon, Paul Dresher From ???@??? Thu Sep 25 01:08:18 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 24 10:34:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xDvKn-0003Wg-00; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:34:45 -0700 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:28:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin Reply-To: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Orion Space Rock Festival in Baltimore Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"v2fXgB.A.2wC.l3UK0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/633 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:34:45 -0700 X-UIDL: 50b0e0a7937ce7cdcfae50fb14ae9893 Hey folks, We're doing a space rock fest here in Maryland in a few weeks. One of the featured acts is Fingerpaint who took part in the Philly Loop show earlier this year. From my perusal of one of the members' rigs last Saturday, it's been assimilating looping devices and effects doohickeys faster than the max loop-time on my old Compueffectron. Check it out: Orion Sound Studios 2903 Whittington Ave Baltimore, Maryland The Orion Space Rock Festival will be held on Saturday October 18th at Orion Sound Studios in Baltimore, Maryland. This all day festival will feature the top U.S. Space Rock acts performing full sets accompanied by a psychedelic light show. There will be a wide range of space rock styles presented. Everything from loop-based ambient music to full blown intense mind blowing sci-fi rock. Featured performers: o Alien Planetscapes o Architectural Metaphor o Escapade o Quarkspace o Fingerpaint ADMISSION: $25.00 at the door. All ages welcome! OTHER INFO: Call the studio at 410.646.7334 after 2pm EST, email alevin@ari.net, or point your favorite web browser to http://prog.ari.net/prog/shows/showcase/ Orion Studios is a rehearsal and recording studio located in beautiful southwest Baltimore, Maryland. Orion has 21 rehearsal studios which are rented on a monthly basis, plus a 24 track digital recording studio attached to a showcase room. The show will take place in the Showcase Room. We have no liquor license, so its a BYOB affair. Sodas will be available. There will be a retail area where the bands and other vendors will be selling CDs, tapes, and T-shirts, so bring plenty of cash! Vendors interested in attending should call Orion or email mpotter@stsci.edu about table rentals. ======================================================================== Directions: -Take I-95 to exit 50, Caton Ave. (Just inside the south west side of the 695 beltway) -Take Caton Ave south to the third traffic light and turn left onto Washington Blvd -Go 1/4 mile up the hill to the U-Haul sign and turn right onto Inverness. -At the end of Inverness, turn left onto Whittington Ave. -Go to the end of Whittington and turn right into the parking lot at 2903 Whittington, in the Whittington Business Center. -Orion is on the right. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Thu Sep 25 01:08:40 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 24 19:14:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xE3Rr-00070U-00; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:14:35 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:32:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Music - non loop Resent-Message-ID: <"NUs9CB.A.6MG.UfcK0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/635 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:14:35 -0700 X-UIDL: ed34d84586ac8b892613f811755c110a Well Kim if you heading off to the record store this weekend and don't kave a copy of the Merman release Songs of the Cows. I guess you could call it surf music for the nineties....nice fun riffs...I'm certainly not a reviewer but with the abundance of guitarists on this list I had to throw this one out........ And on the dark side of things I've been enjoying a release by KK Null and James Plotkin called Aurora......dark droning heavily treated guitars oof the netherworld....... Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Thu Sep 25 01:08:37 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 24 16:56:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xE1Hv-0005JL-00; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:56:11 -0700 Message-ID: <3429B473.573B@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:46:45 -0500 From: Mark Sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu Organization: Meta-liminal X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JMan Fade message/MIDI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"E9BTy.A.ciE._daK0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/634 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:56:11 -0700 X-UIDL: 6351cc8ae77b8d10299dd31cda285669 Attention all JamMan loopers! Does anyone know of any way of getting a loop to fade while you're adding to it, other than a MIDI message? A new member of my group has just purchased a used JMan and he doesn't have any way to transmit MIDI. Is there a way to maybe get the JamMan to synch to a MIDI clock while in delay mode? That would work as well. Any suggestions would be helpful, thanks. Mark Sottilaro. From ???@??? Thu Sep 25 01:08:41 1997 >From kflint Wed Sep 24 20:44:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xE4qC-0006Vs-00; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:43:48 -0700 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:35:11 -0400 (EDT) From: BlkSwan03@aol.com Message-ID: <970924233334_1298487234@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: the rest of the story about OBERHEIM Resent-Message-ID: <"jf45DD.A.laF.GxdK0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/636 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:43:48 -0700 X-UIDL: a04cc5f8e9ed689a9738aa159c536e4a In a message dated 9/20/97 1:08:27 PM, you wrote: <> Mike Lyon is a major psychotic liar that lied and bullshitted his way to his position with Oberheim. He has single handedly put off more customers and dealers than anyone else at that company. He lied to me and kept me waiting for the upgrade for two (yes two) years. I had two units that would not work in stereo because of a known software glitch that he just played dumb about. I've never experienced a worse run company than Oberheim. I really hope that Gibson solves the problems over there and saves this company and some of the great products they market. The people that create these products and the people that put their faith in them and buy them deserve a lot better. My question to Gibson: Who the hell was responsible for not properly overseeing this company? And who on earth was responsible for hiring such a complete goon as Mike Lyon? The Echoplex is a great product and it deserve a lot better than this. Jim From ???@??? Thu Sep 25 09:14:48 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 25 03:01:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xEAjZ-0006Q7-00; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 03:01:21 -0700 Message-ID: <01BCC977.DD5297C0@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: Sick Vortex Morphing Patch Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 05:57:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"YI2eMB.A.R0F.-VjK0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/637 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 03:01:21 -0700 X-UIDL: ef49694d04caa6455aed4e16532b301f Since Andy Butler's Vortex website is out of commission, I thought I'd pass along this sick Vortex morphing patch to all loopers. It doesn't loop, but when fed into a looper you get something really horrible. One side of the morph sounds very ringy and metallic, while the other side is nearly overtaken by a siren-like sine wave. Algorithm: Mosaic A Mosaic B Envelope: 16 1 Morph A/B: 22 64 Echo FX Level: 12 05 Mod FX Lvl: 64 64 Output: 64 64 Mix: 64 64 Fdbk 1: 30 28 Fdbk 2: 30 28 Rate 1: 41 22 Depth 1: 64 57 Resonance 1: 64 1 Rate 2: 19 12 Depth 2: 30 34 Resonance 2: 7 64 Echo 1: 4 16 Echo 2: 6 16 Assign an expression pedal to control Morph A/B. Kim: Maybe a looper who knows HTML could set up a form on the L-D Vortex page so that other loopers could contribute their patches. Cheers, Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Thu Sep 25 09:14:52 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 25 05:08:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xECiP-00039S-00; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 05:08:17 -0700 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:02:44 -0400 From: Jon Durant <74074.1316@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: music (new alchemical thingies) Sender: Jon Durant <74074.1316@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199709250803_MC2-21C0-5C26@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"sviQcC.A.bwC.ONlK0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/638 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 05:08:17 -0700 X-UIDL: 0be8531e930c27564a62fb51d3a8df53 Sean writes: >Ok, you've got my atention - any more you can tell us about the Manring >project? Well, it's underway, most of the material is written/recorded. Michael's extremely busy as a sideman just now (surprise?) and hasn't had much time to finish. The latest projection is that we'll mix in November, probably won't see the light of retail before February. But: it's an intensely cool record, with Michael doing mostly everything. Much funkier than any of his previous recordings, trippier, not so much metal as Thonk, not so delicate as his other Windham Hell recordings. Perhaps I could say that it is to Manring what "What Means Solid, Traveller?" is to Torn. Right, that said I also need to mention the nearly finished William Camire record as the experience will perhaps sound oddly similar to many on the list. "Fourteen Years" is an album of material originaly created fourteen years ago. It was then reassembled, reinvigorated, reinvented with today's mindset and technological capabilities. (Though I need to point out that it's still heavy on analog synths and lo-fi approaches to sound sources: apart from the jamman, there's no "sampling" on the record.) It's an "ambient" album, perhaps harkening back to Eno's Ambient 4, though I've not listened to that record in many years, so I really don't know whether that connection really stands up. Anyway, the point is this: while working on this record, we've found that after a couple hours of intense work on it, our minds are completely turned into jello. It's draining our creativity in a really painful way. Yet, listening back to the rough mixes (a day later), it's a beautiful, relaxing record. Anyone else go through this? later, jd From ???@??? Thu Sep 25 09:14:56 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 25 07:45:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xEFAA-0004u0-00; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 07:45:06 -0700 Posted-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:40:32 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970925164110.0073662c@pop.stud.ntnu.no> X-Sender: eriklj@pop.stud.ntnu.no X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:41:10 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Erik Ljones Subject: Re: KK Null (was: Music - non loop) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"8AqRt.A.USE.QgnK0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/640 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 07:45:06 -0700 X-UIDL: 69881e6df498a62df0cf50e87573f667 Patrick wrote: >And on the dark side of things I've been enjoying a release by KK Null and >James Plotkin called Aurora......dark droning heavily treated guitars oof >the netherworld....... Is KK Null that Japanese guy who usually fronts for the band ZENI GEVA? If so, I think I once heard him in a collaboration with Jim O'Rourke, but I can't remember what it was called. I think he also releases disturbing (guitar-) noise recordings under the name NULL. Perhaps someone else knows more about this? -Erik- From ???@??? Thu Sep 25 09:14:54 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 25 07:33:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xEEyp-0003wN-00; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 07:33:23 -0700 Message-Id: <199709251427.KAA17033@mail.colba.net> From: "Julia & Dave" To: "Looper's Delight" Subject: Vortex live (long) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:28:57 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9UrM9B.A.lQD.tTnK0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/639 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 07:33:23 -0700 X-UIDL: c8b7c7a5138160137b03cc323d469afe Hi, I played a gig last night in which a performance artist/painter was getting a tattoo done on his spine, and my job was to take the close miked sound of the needle, run it thru my EMS Pitch-To-Voltage Converter to drive a VCS-3, which in turn was being fed directly through the Vortex and my SDE-330 Dimensional Space Delay. I had a long cluster echo on the Delay, and a sweet variation on the Bleen patch on the Vortex which I was madly editing in real-time just cycling away. Since I have only owned my Vortex for a couple of weeks, I hadn't had the chance to use it in a live situation. At some point, I was trying to figure out which patch point on the VCS-3 was doing all this wonderful wailing and spinning and it was then I realized it was the Lexicon talking. What a powerful device. You haven't truly experienced the Vortex until you've used it in a concert setting. There was also someone doing live video processing who at some point generated some nice swirling patterns. I wonder why?... Everyone got home safely, their hearing intact (no ringing) and their internal organs only slightly crushed by the spinning subharmonics. Just thought I'd share this with you. D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N Not always that noisy. From ???@??? Thu Sep 25 10:35:25 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 25 09:51:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xEH8E-0006n6-00; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:51:14 -0700 X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BCC977.DD5297C0@mark.asisoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:51:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Re: Sick Vortex Morphing Patch Resent-Message-ID: <"h-4su.A.KzF.AVpK0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/641 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:51:14 -0700 X-UIDL: 1bdb19430ec139b9aed88270b92b1555 Mark Kata posted this earlier: >Since Andy Butler's Vortex website is out of commission, I thought I'd >pass along this sick Vortex morphing patch to all loopers. It doesn't >loop, but when fed into a looper you get something really >horrible......(snip) >Kim: Maybe a looper who knows HTML could set up a form on the L-D Vortex >page so that other loopers could contribute their patches. I'll offer my assistance here, I actually had started a Vortex patch page for LD, but put it on hold when Andy Butler started his page. I guess people could submit their patches directly to me or post them to the list and I'll periodically collect them and send them to kim for the web. Would you like to see each patch put on its' own page linked from a main Vortex patch page or have all patches put on the same page? I think it makes more sense to put each patch on its' own page, as I can just send new pages to kim as needed. Anyway let me know if I can help! Ed From ???@??? Thu Sep 25 22:24:32 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 25 11:24:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xEIau-0006oA-00; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:24:56 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <01BCC977.DD5297C0@mark.asisoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:20:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: Sick Vortex Morphing Patch Resent-Message-ID: <"uptW8D.A.K0F.-rqK0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/642 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:24:56 -0700 X-UIDL: 4140aaa7ef75c4a4f09579851e88a445 Looping folks, I'd like to offer my assitance here, too. I am currently in the process of coming up with some CGI code to allow people to enter their "personal profile" directly from the web browser, rather than having to send the info to Michael, Michael format the info, then send it to Kim to post it. Once you guys have settled on a standard format for the Vortex patch files, let me know and I will attempt to come up with some code that would allow folks to enter them directly from a browser. Also, I was wondering: do you think it would be useful to have a search engine for the personal profiles (as we do with the mailing list archives)? I thought this might be useful, and would be easy to set up. Any feedback here? Back in town, - Chris >Mark Kata posted this earlier: > >>Since Andy Butler's Vortex website is out of commission, I thought I'd >>pass along this sick Vortex morphing patch to all loopers. It doesn't >>loop, but when fed into a looper you get something really >>horrible......(snip) > >>Kim: Maybe a looper who knows HTML could set up a form on the L-D Vortex >>page so that other loopers could contribute their patches. > >I'll offer my assistance here, I actually had started a Vortex patch page >for LD, but put it on hold when Andy Butler started his page. I guess >people could submit their patches directly to me or post them to the list >and I'll periodically collect them and send them to kim for the web. Would >you like to see each patch put on its' own page linked from a main Vortex >patch page or have all patches put on the same page? I think it makes more >sense to put each patch on its' own page, as I can just send new pages to >kim as needed. Anyway let me know if I can help! > >Ed __________________________________________________ Chris Chovit avec@gomez.jpl.nasa.gov AVIRIS Experiment Coordinator pager #: (888) 415-4547 From ???@??? Thu Sep 25 22:24:39 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 25 11:31:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xEIhb-0007bk-00; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:31:51 -0700 Message-Id: <199709251825.LAA01499@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: Sick Vortex Morphing Patch Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:25:36 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"JgmS-D.A.CbG.JyqK0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/643 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:31:51 -0700 X-UIDL: 0650fee87e0230c9cc11bd16b447afe4 > From: Chris Chovit > I'd like to offer my assitance here, too. I am currently in the process of > coming up with some CGI code to allow people to enter their "personal > profile" directly from the web browser, rather than having to send the info > to Michael, Michael format the info, then send it to Kim to post it. That's a great idea....although I think someone should monitor the posts as some people (non-loopers of course) might abuse the process. Just a thought. Matt From ???@??? Thu Sep 25 22:25:29 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 25 22:10:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xESf8-0004kT-00; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:09:58 -0700 Message-ID: <342B525B.683975D4@mailbox.syr.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 01:12:44 -0500 From: mark sottilaro Reply-To: msottila@mailbox.syr.edu Organization: metaliminal X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex live (long) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199709251427.KAA17033@mail.colba.net> Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ArEUBB.A.GGE.gK0K0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/644 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:09:58 -0700 X-UIDL: 4c48238435bffb7df8701f070a3caf55 Hey, The Vortex sounds like a pretty cool device, but does it actually loop? I know you can tap out the delay time, but can you synch it to MIDI? Is the memory expandable like on the JamMan? Inquiring minds want to know! -- -- Mark @ ¿??? IAMNOTHERE c From ???@??? Fri Sep 26 09:48:24 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 25 23:19:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xETkO-00013l-00; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:19:28 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970828025217.00878bd4@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 03:15:55 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Drifting Resent-Message-ID: <"TLls7D.A.mi.eL1K0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/645 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:19:28 -0700 X-UIDL: 2fe0b177219cd7964a48bab25bae2b4b >One particular slightly aged stadium rock star wanted to know if we could >set up a pedal to control the amount that stereo unsynced loops went out of >phase! Do you see why this is so hard? > >Anyway, you can probably retain your clock drifting experiences on the >upgrade by leaving the brothersync cable out and setting the sync to "off" >like you have it now. That way, the stereo units will start and stop the >loop record at the same time by the midi command, but will have no other >points of reference to each other. So they will naturally drift apart. > >...and no I'm not going to make a pedal to control it. I am not going to do it either, but it would not be too complicated: Build a 44.1kHz generator (with 74HC03, for example) and change its frequency slightly with the pedal (the pot in series with the feedback resistor of the generator). Then feed the signal with a open collector buffer (another part of the HC03) into the tip of BrotherSync. Can easily be battery driven and probably could even be fed by the signal coming out of the BrotherSync tip. About a 1k resistor and a big capacitor should create The necesary 4V or so for the chip. Anyone? Matthias From ???@??? Fri Sep 26 09:48:25 1997 >From kflint Thu Sep 25 23:19:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xETkd-00014r-00; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:19:43 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.2.32.19970630133152.00602100@mail.well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 03:15:55 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: more plex undo questions Resent-Message-ID: <"i_a6hC.A.nl.0L1K0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/646 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:19:43 -0700 X-UIDL: 660a76eecfe22aa12ea11a23ef9061d1 dan mcmullen asked, ages ago: >>- it seems that loops just less than 1/3 of the available time can still >>fail to undo an overdub that crosses the start point. what is the actual >>percent of total loop time that can always support the two full undos >>necessary to eliminate overdubs that cross over the start point? > >This is why expanding the memory in the echoplex is a good idea! You don't >have to worry about things like this anymore. Take a look at the diagrams >about memory use in the Undo section of the manual. That should help you >some. > >Each time you do an overdub over a pass of the loop, you use a new section >of memory. If an overdub is done over a loop boundary, you will use two new >sections of memory equal to the loop time. So you have to be careful about >that when you don't have a lot of memory available. > >In the cases where you are using almost all the memory, the echoplex often >needs to set aside memory sections to handle situations where you need to >recover from something like an accidental record. I think that may be why >you couldn't undo twice when the loop was 1/3 of the total memory. Matthias >will have to explain that one better, since he knows it better than anyone. Its very important, when you press UNDO. Once you listened back to the error, you have to press UNDO twice, since you already created a copy of the error, when you listened to it. Thats why its 1/3: - the old "perfect" loop you want to go back to, - the one you played the error into (the one you are actually listening to) and - the one you are recording to right now. If you do not overdub or reduce feedback in that last recorded loop, it will be discarded and you will listen again to the second one. If the last overdub invaded the beginning of this last recorded loop, it will be kept, and to go back to the "perfect" loop, it will take one more in the memory. If you press UNDO before the error is repeated you should be able to get rid of it, even if the loops takes almost half the memory. There are quite a lot of cases. I hope with these informations and the graphics in the manual you can figure out what happens. Otherwhise ask more of those nice concrete questions and I might even answer a little quicker this time. Sorry. >>- the following sequence seems to confuse undo: >> >> - record a loop >> - 'accidentally' record over it, but end with undo to cancel the record >> and return to the first loop >> - overdub >> >>a long-press undo does not work at this point to remove the overdub. >>short-press undos can remove some of it, depending on where it is. anyone >>know what's going on here? I think that one is fixed in the upgrade Matthias From ???@??? Sat Sep 27 02:27:29 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 26 10:04:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xEdoX-0000FC-00; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:04:25 -0700 X-Sender: landman@mail.wco.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:03:54 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: Drifting/Pitch changes Resent-Message-ID: <"eOpLAB.A.FvG.wl-K0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/648 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:04:25 -0700 X-UIDL: 8b2afe0df142d0808bad67f153dfc921 Using this technique would it be possible to have much wider changes in the clock frequency? The only function the Echoplex is missing is variable speed/pitch (or even just a half speed octave down switch). Of course, this is probably the last thing you want to think about having just finished the updateÉ Best- Mark >>One particular slightly aged stadium rock star wanted to know if we could >>set up a pedal to control the amount that stereo unsynced loops went out of >>phase! Do you see why this is so hard? >> >>Anyway, you can probably retain your clock drifting experiences on the >>upgrade by leaving the brothersync cable out and setting the sync to "off" >>like you have it now. That way, the stereo units will start and stop the >>loop record at the same time by the midi command, but will have no other >>points of reference to each other. So they will naturally drift apart. >> >>...and no I'm not going to make a pedal to control it. > >I am not going to do it either, but it would not be too complicated: >Build a 44.1kHz generator (with 74HC03, for example) and change its >frequency slightly with the pedal (the pot in series with the feedback >resistor of the generator). Then feed the signal with a open collector >buffer (another part of the HC03) into the tip of BrotherSync. >Can easily be battery driven and probably could even be fed by the signal >coming out of the BrotherSync tip. About a 1k resistor and a big capacitor >should create The necesary 4V or so for the chip. >Anyone? > >Matthias From ???@??? Fri Sep 26 09:48:42 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 26 07:12:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xEb8S-0002xw-00; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 07:12:48 -0700 Message-Id: <199709261407.KAA11505@mail.colba.net> From: "Julia & Dave" To: , Subject: Re: Vortex live (long) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:08:29 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"58k3JC.A.ycC.UG8K0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/647 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 07:12:48 -0700 X-UIDL: 7b58ecb5beb71c279ba71bf2c71c16e2 Hi, Yes the Vortex does loop, you have about two seconds, but unlike the JamMan, there is no MIDI. This one uses a nice CV input for an expression pedal or any similar source of control voltage. I control mine from the Joystick of the VCS-3. Incidentally, I had a JamMan and a Reflex, and both seemed to be humming a little. I thought this had to do with the adapters, but now that I have the Vortex which is the quietest device I have ever heard in the lower price range, I am beginning to suspect the hum was being carried thru the MIDI input. Is this possible at all? My studio is the quietest most line noise free setup I could ever assemble, and I only use headphones for monitoring because of my obsession with hiss and hum, so this observation isn't founded on guesswork. Nuff for now. D 4 V 1 D K R 1 5 T 1 4 N shhhhhhhhhh! ---------- > From: mark sottilaro > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Vortex live (long) > Date: Thursday, September 25, 1997 11:12 PM > > Hey, > > The Vortex sounds like a pretty cool device, but does it actually loop? > I know you can tap out the delay time, but can you synch it to MIDI? Is > the memory expandable like on the JamMan? Inquiring minds want to know! > > -- -- > Mark > > > @ > ¿??? IAMNOTHERE > c > From ???@??? Sat Sep 27 02:27:32 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 26 10:46:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xEeTP-0004Ur-00; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:46:39 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970926173420.0070b958@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:34:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Drifting/Pitch changes Resent-Message-ID: <"46C2wB.A.WjD.dO_K0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/650 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:46:39 -0700 X-UIDL: 5037c9a2a370b26eec2e767c94616441 No, you wouldn't be able to pull the clock anywhere near far enough for pitch changes, using this technique. The BrotherSync is for making finite and precise adjustments in the system and sampling clocks between different units to make them exactly in phase at the exact same frequency. Matthias' suggestion is a way to abuse that in order to intentionally introduce small, controlled differences in the clocks. That way two loops could drift from each other over time, which can sometimes be very cool. kim At 10:03 AM 9/26/97 -0700, you wrote: >Using this technique would it be possible to have much wider changes in the >clock frequency? The only function the Echoplex is missing is variable >speed/pitch (or even just a half speed octave down switch). Of course, this >is probably the last thing you want to think about having just finished the >updateÉ > >Best- > >Mark > > >>>One particular slightly aged stadium rock star wanted to know if we could >>>set up a pedal to control the amount that stereo unsynced loops went out of >>>phase! Do you see why this is so hard? >>> >>>Anyway, you can probably retain your clock drifting experiences on the >>>upgrade by leaving the brothersync cable out and setting the sync to "off" >>>like you have it now. That way, the stereo units will start and stop the >>>loop record at the same time by the midi command, but will have no other >>>points of reference to each other. So they will naturally drift apart. >>> >>>...and no I'm not going to make a pedal to control it. >> >>I am not going to do it either, but it would not be too complicated: >>Build a 44.1kHz generator (with 74HC03, for example) and change its >>frequency slightly with the pedal (the pot in series with the feedback >>resistor of the generator). Then feed the signal with a open collector >>buffer (another part of the HC03) into the tip of BrotherSync. >>Can easily be battery driven and probably could even be fed by the signal >>coming out of the BrotherSync tip. About a 1k resistor and a big capacitor >>should create The necesary 4V or so for the chip. >>Anyone? >> >>Matthias > > > > > _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sat Sep 27 02:27:30 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 26 10:40:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xEeNW-0003lV-00; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:40:34 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 26 Sep 1997 12:12:49 -0700 From: "Hartnett, Travis" Subject: JamMan available, sort of To: "Loopers Delight postings" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; Name="Message Body" Resent-Message-ID: <"5eFF1.A.o0C.5H_K0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/649 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:40:34 -0700 X-UIDL: d767128e075b78dbca0a5577bbc02081 Maybe he'll take cash (from Harmony Central): Lexicon Jam Man Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Excellent Age: N/A Description: Trade wanted: Lexicon Jam Man (8 secs...but could make it 32 for you) used very little (was a store demo and was rarely tried) manual, power supply, one lexicon footswitch...no box. I want a Boss GX-700 or similar single rack space pre-amp multi effects...will sell for cash but would probably prefer a trade. (these guys are in the $375 plus range nowadays) thanks...roland@ccnet.com Seller: Roland Eberle, E-mail: roland@ccnet.com Location: HAYWARD, CA Post Date: 9/24/97 From ???@??? Sat Sep 27 02:27:42 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 26 12:20:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xEfvr-0005Vo-00; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:20:07 -0700 X-Sender: landman@mail.wco.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:20:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: Drifting/Pitch changes Resent-Message-ID: <"IMrHAD.A.nmE.wlAL0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/651 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:20:07 -0700 X-UIDL: 3ac4c362208c117c9d9b8ca6693a7d99 Kim, Is the hardware designed so this type of manipulation just isn't feasible, or is this possible? Out of curiosity, did you get many requests for this type of function? Thanks- Mark >No, you wouldn't be able to pull the clock anywhere near far enough for >pitch changes, using this technique. The BrotherSync is for making finite >and precise adjustments in the system and sampling clocks between different >units to make them exactly in phase at the exact same frequency. Matthias' >suggestion is a way to abuse that in order to intentionally introduce small, >controlled differences in the clocks. That way two loops could drift from >each other over time, which can sometimes be very cool. From ???@??? Sat Sep 27 02:27:43 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 26 12:50:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xEgPS-0000Lu-00; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:50:42 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:45:13 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Drifting/Pitch changes Resent-Message-ID: <"yxwtxC.A.DBH.NCBL0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/652 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:50:42 -0700 X-UIDL: 20f357d06292bf4cf9ee453e693f9d76 >Kim, > >Is the hardware designed so this type of manipulation just isn't feasible, >or is this possible? Out of curiosity, did you get many requests for this >type of function? > >Thanks- > >Mark No, with this HW its not possible because its cristal clocked. With the good old LOOP delay, you can tune down almost an octave, as I remember :-) I think tuning shoud not be done by changing master clock. You loose quality. In future products, there will be cleaner ways. Matthias From ???@??? Sat Sep 27 02:28:05 1997 >From kflint Fri Sep 26 22:47:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xEpip-0001kU-00; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:47:19 -0700 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:43:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Dubofsky Message-Id: <199709270543.BAA17152@gti.net> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-URL: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/list/LoopList.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.5 Subject: Good Ole Fashioned tape looping Resent-Message-ID: <"ENcjnC.A.QYB.yzJL0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/653 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:47:19 -0700 X-UIDL: 6a5fc9e6303720fa747788c23f5b6401 I haven't seen any posts relating to reel to reel looping, is anyone stil doing this? Last year I sold both of my reel to reels, I miss them and am considering getting back into tape looping. Has anyone managed to come up with a single machine system? Would this work; signal hit the record head, using some kind of tape tension kluge, pull the tape some distance away from the machine, pre-capstan, so that the distance between the record and playback heads is increased. I've been messing with a Dokorder that I picked up a couple of weeks ago and it seems to me this could work. Any ideas? thanks From ???@??? Sat Sep 27 18:06:26 1997 >From kflint Sat Sep 27 10:10:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xF0Nv-0001JN-00; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 10:10:27 -0700 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 13:04:55 -0400 (EDT) From: PainPete@aol.com Message-ID: <970927130127_188906359@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Good Ole Fashioned tape looping Resent-Message-ID: <"lmMuhD.A.E9.0zTL0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/654 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 10:10:27 -0700 X-UIDL: 31285e2665ec1bb72234934993b0259d When I did college radio I used the station's two Otari MX5050s. I have some old posts regarding this somewhere. I really miss them and am planning on replacing them with two personal units. If I were a mechanical genius I could probably modify one into a single-tape machine. But would it be worth the trouble? I can't remember why but it is not as simple as one might think, I agonized over the same concept long ago. (Two decks are expensive so I hope I am wrong). Still I love the sound of reel-to-reel feedback decay. Nothing else like it. Pete In a message dated 97-09-27 01:56:26 EDT, you write: << Subj: Good Ole Fashioned tape looping Date: 97-09-27 01:56:26 EDT From: skullsaw@gti.net (Steven Dubofsky) Resent-from: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com I haven't seen any posts relating to reel to reel looping, is anyone stil doing this? Last year I sold both of my reel to reels, I miss them and am considering getting back into tape looping. Has anyone managed to come up with a single machine system? Would this work; signal hit the record head, using some kind of tape tension kluge, pull the tape some distance away from the machine, pre-capstan, so that the distance between the record and playback heads is increased. I've been messing with a Dokorder that I picked up a couple of weeks ago and it seems to me this could work. Any ideas? thanks >> From ???@??? Sat Sep 27 18:06:31 1997 >From kflint Sat Sep 27 12:17:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xF2N2-0006uL-00; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:17:40 -0700 Message-ID: <342D5ABF.7CFE@u.washington.edu> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:13:02 -0700 From: "Thom S. Heileson" Reply-To: heileson@u.washington.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Ultra lo tech looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"jZyMw.A.FQG.yrVL0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/655 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 12:17:40 -0700 X-UIDL: 022a03d7136dab741141d993c75849fa >Good Ole Fashioned tape looping (Steven Dubofsky , Fri 10:43 PM) > >I haven't seen any posts relating to reel to reel looping, is anyone stil >doing this? Sort-of related but not really -- has anyone here played with an ultra lo-tech (and lo-fi) method of looping, i.e. hand-cut cassette loops? I've been lurking here a while; I mostly use an EPS classic for my looping, which is lo-tech enough, but this cassette method was something I and a parnter played with a few years ago. Something about its rawness, and its limitations actually seemed conducive to interesting + unexpected outcomes. Sort of akin to a Surrealist game/experiment technique. I recently forwarded a Loopers-Delight post to a friend of mine who uses looping (via sampler), and ended up reminiscing about the cassette technique... >> Interesting little blurb about looping. He's especially right about the >> way that repetition changes its meaning depending upon where the >> sequence is located within the larger structure. > >And depending on amount of repetition perceived by the listener. When I >was starting out doing the blue pill project with Jason (Holford), we got a bunch of >cassettes, took them apart and made short tape loops out of them, the >idea being to have an arsenal of these things for recording on and using >in songs -- a sampler of sorts before I had the sampler (and this lo-tek >method has certain aspects which digital sampling lacks). We were so >amazed at how we could use one of these to tape anything at all, and >then listen to the loop over and over... it was addicting... and hear >new patterns, new elements the more we did this. To me, this is a >fascinating thing, touching on the way our minds work (perceive). Just 'thought I'd share'... anyone else played with this, or am I soon to be ostracized for my tinker-toy shenanigans? :) BTW, snippets of the blue pill material can be heard on the web site listed below. Thom -- _ _ _ Thom Heileson //)) //^~ heileson@u.washington.edu ((// // http://weber.u.washington.edu/~heileson/index.html From ???@??? Sat Sep 27 18:06:44 1997 >From kflint Sat Sep 27 15:40:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xF5XD-00002I-00; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 15:40:23 -0700 Message-ID: <19970927223612.257.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [164.67.20.89] From: "Joseph Buck" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, heileson@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Ultra lo tech looping Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 15:36:11 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"prAjwC.A.JHH.ZqYL0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/656 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 15:40:23 -0700 X-UIDL: 41bf2711db7e1506fa67795a6318c3c0 Thom- No ostracism here. In fact a real exploration of old school looping-how, what material, and what not would be a welcome lesson here. salam, buck > >>Good Ole Fashioned tape looping (Steven Dubofsky , Fri 10:43 PM) >> >>I haven't seen any posts relating to reel to reel looping, is anyone stil >>doing this? > >Sort-of related but not really -- has anyone here played with an ultra >lo-tech (and lo-fi) method of looping, i.e. hand-cut cassette loops? > >I've been lurking here a while; I mostly use an EPS classic for my >looping, which is lo-tech enough, but this cassette method was something >I and a parnter played with a few years ago. Something about its >rawness, and its limitations actually seemed conducive to interesting + >unexpected outcomes. Sort of akin to a Surrealist game/experiment >technique. > >I recently forwarded a Loopers-Delight post to a friend of mine who uses >looping (via sampler), and ended up reminiscing about the cassette >technique... > >>> Interesting little blurb about looping. He's especially right about the >>> way that repetition changes its meaning depending upon where the >>> sequence is located within the larger structure. >> >>And depending on amount of repetition perceived by the listener. When I >>was starting out doing the blue pill project with Jason (Holford), we got a bunch of >>cassettes, took them apart and made short tape loops out of them, the >>idea being to have an arsenal of these things for recording on and using >>in songs -- a sampler of sorts before I had the sampler (and this lo-tek >>method has certain aspects which digital sampling lacks). We were so >>amazed at how we could use one of these to tape anything at all, and >>then listen to the loop over and over... it was addicting... and hear >>new patterns, new elements the more we did this. To me, this is a >>fascinating thing, touching on the way our minds work (perceive). > >Just 'thought I'd share'... anyone else played with this, or am I soon >to be ostracized for my tinker-toy shenanigans? :) > >BTW, snippets of the blue pill material can be heard on the web site >listed below. > >Thom > >-- > _ _ _ Thom Heileson > //)) //^~ heileson@u.washington.edu > ((// // > http://weber.u.washington.edu/~heileson/index.html > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Sat Sep 27 18:06:44 1997 >From kflint Sat Sep 27 15:52:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xF5ie-0000iM-00; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 15:52:12 -0700 Message-ID: <342D9BD4.1AEE@fredmarshall.com> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 15:50:56 -0800 From: Dorian Makres Reply-To: dorian@fredmarshall.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Good Ole Fashioned tape looping References: <199709270543.BAA17152@gti.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XN7Up.A.Fc.X1YL0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/657 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 15:52:12 -0700 X-UIDL: 14931d381f2b32e3ae364f19ffde12c8 - hi there . . . - I started making one-machine loop devices in the early sixties (before echo-plex) - anyone interested can contact me directly at: http://www.timetunnel@fredmarshall.com/ - here we are . . . fred ============================== Steven Dubofsky wrote: > > I haven't seen any posts relating to reel to reel looping, is anyone stil > doing this? Last year I sold both of my reel to reels, I miss them and am > considering getting back into tape looping. Has anyone managed to come up > with a single machine system? Would this work; signal hit the record > head, using some kind of tape tension kluge, pull the tape some distance > away from the machine, pre-capstan, so that the distance between the > record and playback heads is increased. I've been messing with a Dokorder > that I picked up a couple of weeks ago and it seems to me this could > work. Any ideas? > > thanks From ???@??? Sat Sep 27 18:06:45 1997 >From kflint Sat Sep 27 16:06:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xF5w3-0001It-00; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 16:06:03 -0700 Message-ID: <342D9EB3.3320@fredmarshall.com> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 16:03:12 -0800 From: fred marshall Reply-To: fred@fredmarshall.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Good Ole Fashioned tape looping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"H6T33C.A.0AB.4BZL0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/658 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 16:06:03 -0700 X-UIDL: 6e2f73d5b06d332f02563090c2817708 oOOPs- i gave the wrong address - - hi there . . . - I started making one-machine loop devices in the early sixties (before echo-plex) - anyone interested can contact me directly at: timetunnel@fredmarshall.com/ - here we are . . . fred From ???@??? Sun Sep 28 03:12:29 1997 >From kflint Sat Sep 27 23:27:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xFCpe-0001bA-00; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 23:27:54 -0700 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 02:20:27 -0400 From: crb@silvertone.Princeton.EDU (Curtis Bahn) Message-Id: <199709280620.CAA11521@silvertone.Princeton.EDU> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: looping in Thessaloniki Cc: crb@silvertone.Princeton.EDU Resent-Message-ID: <"VQUhU.A.NRB.LgfL0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/659 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 23:27:54 -0700 X-UIDL: 0b1b5d9df734fe3196f065c2ae96a3bd Tonight we will be looping in an ancient Greek bath which is now a bar in Thessaloniki. Our performance at the "Mylos Jazz Bar" is sponsored by the International Computer Music Conference. Our gear tonight includes: Jam man and echoplex DP driven by interactive MAX algorithms LiSa by STEIM Dan will be playing a custom 6 six string electric vioin and Curtis is playing a 5 string "Merchant vertical bass" with a pitch/MIDI converter. Each has a custom computer performance interface coordinating looping/ DSP and soundfile playback. hope to see you there, we start at 12:00a Curtis Bahn Dan Trueman From ???@??? Sun Sep 28 03:12:36 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 28 01:43:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xFEwb-0005Kj-00; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 01:43:13 -0700 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: Re: Ultra lo tech looping Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 10:45:20 +0200 Message-ID: <19970928084518218.AAB82@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"ihFSMC.A.8zE.gehL0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/660 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 01:43:13 -0700 X-UIDL: 126030b0f1ed62f8de6c1f05bb3d6e45 At 12.13 27/09/97 -0700, you wrote: >>Good Ole Fashioned tape looping (Steven Dubofsky , Fri 10:43 PM) >> >>I haven't seen any posts relating to reel to reel looping, is anyone stil >>doing this? > >Sort-of related but not really -- has anyone here played with an ultra >lo-tech (and lo-fi) method of looping, i.e. hand-cut cassette loops? > >I've been lurking here a while; I mostly use an EPS classic for my >looping, which is lo-tech enough, but this cassette method was something >I and a parnter played with a few years ago. Something about its >rawness, and its limitations actually seemed conducive to interesting + >unexpected outcomes. Sort of akin to a Surrealist game/experiment >technique. Sorry, the idea is really interesting but I didn't understand. Do you use 2 cassette recorder like Revox reels systems? Or is this not a real time looping (you cut the tapes before and then you play them at gigs)?? One idea could be (when I'll get my Echoplex I'll try this) to use prerecorded dat and cassette material to inject in the looper loops, while playing (I was thinking to volume pedals to control the output of the tapes). Could be interesting to have a mixer full of sound sources to let in at some moment in the loop (prerecorded tapes, radio, voices, other instruments, the crowd in front of you). Kind of casual interaction between your playing and the moment. Any comment about the role of caos and casuality in loop playing? ciao leo PS How does Torn use a mixer?? I heard it's a big part of his setup... From ???@??? Sun Sep 28 14:00:43 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 28 06:56:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xFJqC-0001BA-00; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 06:56:56 -0700 Message-ID: <342E613E.FA6@u.washington.edu> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 06:53:02 -0700 From: "Thom S. Heileson" Reply-To: heileson@u.washington.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Just Theorizing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DNxcoD.A.b9.vFmL0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/661 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 06:56:56 -0700 X-UIDL: 54ddebf70d42758837c6779949f54332 Complex postmodern theory applied to looping, anyone? Something recently sent to me, for what it's worth... >lyotard definition (Andrew Corey Yerkes , Thu 9:30 AM) > >I am reading an interesting book, _Just Gaming_, by Lyotard. It is >famous in English depts for defining postmodernity. Here is an >interesting bit especially revelant to looping and sampling: > >The modern addressee would be the "people," an idea whose referent >oscillates between the romantics' Volk and the fin-de-siecle >bourgeousie. Romanticism would be modern, as would the project, even if >it turns out to be impossible, of elaborating a taste, even a "bad" one, >that permits an evaluation of works. Postmodern (or pagan) would be the >condition of the literatures and arts that have no assigned addressee >and no regulating ideal, yet in which value is regularly measured on the >stick of experiementation. Or, to put it dramatically, in which it is >measured by the distortion that is inflicted upon the materials, the >forms and the structures of sensibility and thought. -- _ _ _ Thom Heileson //)) //^~ heileson@u.washington.edu ((// // http://weber.u.washington.edu/~heileson/index.html From ???@??? Sun Sep 28 14:00:49 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 28 07:46:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xFKbu-0002br-00; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 07:46:14 -0700 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 10:42:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Dubofsky To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ultra lo tech looping In-Reply-To: <19970928084518218.AAB82@Default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"jpjLlD.A.iPC.SzmL0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/662 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 07:46:14 -0700 X-UIDL: 07337695611b866d105555ee41eec841 > >I've been lurking here a while; I mostly use an EPS classic for my > >looping, which is lo-tech enough, but this cassette method was something > >I and a parnter played with a few years ago. Something about its > >rawness, and its limitations actually seemed conducive to interesting + > >unexpected outcomes. Sort of akin to a Surrealist game/experiment > >technique. > > > One idea could be (when I'll get my Echoplex I'll try this) to use > prerecorded dat and cassette material to inject in the looper loops, while > playing (I was thinking to volume pedals to control the output of the > tapes). Could be interesting to have a mixer full of sound sources to let in > at some moment in the loop (prerecorded tapes, radio, voices, other > instruments, the crowd in front of you). Kind of casual interaction between > your playing and the moment. > Any comment about the role of caos and casuality in loop playing? This is something I do a lot of. I will load my meager S-220 sampler with 1 second riffs, drop them an octave or more to get a longer phrase length and then using midi volume commands bring the individual samples in and out of the mix. I get patterns that take forever to repeat themselves as well as very strnage timbres due to the aliasing caused by dropping the samples in pitch. In my S-220 I can have 4 samples going and I'll throw in 4 more, longer samples, from my Amiga and just play the mixer. Todd Rundgren did some intersting mixer playing on his A Cappella album where he had his voice sampled at different pitches and he used the mixer as his keyboard. steve d Avoid using Skullsaw in excessive heat or humidity or where he may be affected by direct sunlight or dust http://www.gti.net/skullsaw From ???@??? Sun Sep 28 14:00:50 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 28 07:58:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xFKni-000326-00; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 07:58:26 -0700 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:55:42 +0900 (JST) X-Sender: morgan@popmail.gol.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199709280620.CAA11521@silvertone.Princeton.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Morgan Fisher Subject: Re: looping in Thessaloniki Resent-Message-ID: <"cwWwMD.A.wsC.x_mL0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/663 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 07:58:26 -0700 X-UIDL: ba97df7b21a33bab929be697ccb7893c Curtis Bahn wrote: >Jam man and echoplex DP driven by interactive MAX algorithms >LiSa by STEIM Aha - LiSa! I just got hold of a demo (for those who don't know, this program turns your Mac into a sampler) but haven't had time to try it yet. Do have any comments about LiSa? Is it complex to use compared to regular samplers such as the Akai, etc? Any special features worth mentioning? Hope your performance is a great success, Curtis! Morgan Fisher >From Morgan Fisher, Tokyo Email address: morgan@gol.com Second email address: morgan_fisher@ringo.net From ???@??? Sun Sep 28 21:53:46 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 28 17:55:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xFU7o-00010E-00; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:55:48 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199709280620.CAA11521@silvertone.Princeton.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:59:57 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: looping in Thessaloniki Resent-Message-ID: <"pdKhrB.A.gl.PtvL0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/665 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:55:48 -0700 X-UIDL: d1f8ae107db62e4be44b581965eb3807 >Jam man and echoplex DP driven by interactive MAX algorithms >LiSa by STEIM Interesting...What is the extent on the Echoplex DP control, using this MAX patch? Is it just for syncing, or does it send out commands too? Is it free/share ware? If so, where can one download it? Thanks in advance, chris From ???@??? Sun Sep 28 14:00:52 1997 >From kflint Sun Sep 28 10:33:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xFNE4-0003qW-00; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 10:33:48 -0700 X-Sender: landman@mail.wco.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 10:35:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: Re: Good Ole Fashioned tape looping Resent-Message-ID: <"EwH7cC.A.vHD.MPpL0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/664 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 10:33:48 -0700 X-UIDL: 6bc2a7dd94ad53edf49770d958b710cc The poster who was interested in a one-machine looping device should talk to Paul Dresher when he's back, I saw him perform in person about 15 years ago (at Macy's dept. store!!!) with a 4-track tape machine doing wonderful 4 channel looping, using a Casio keyboard as input fodder. Mark > >- I started making one-machine loop devices in the early sixties (before >echo-plex) - anyone interested can contact me directly at: > > timetunnel@fredmarshall.com/ > From ???@??? Mon Sep 29 09:50:33 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 29 08:34:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xFhpf-0006tY-00; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:33:59 -0700 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:25:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: "Thom S. Heileson" cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, dstagner@icarus.leepfrog.com Subject: Re: Ultra lo tech looping In-Reply-To: <342D5ABF.7CFE@u.washington.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"JqJcm.A.v1F.3i8L0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/666 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:33:59 -0700 X-UIDL: da90c1c3d7b28cf3340588c2a3cd65e3 Lo tech looping? These days, I mostly "loop" on an acoustic guitar! I start with some simple repetitive sound, then add another sound, and another, and another. The "loop" length of each sound varies, but the pattern is the same. So what I get is a textural improvisation, involving layers of unique sounds in repeating patterns... looping. All with no electronics whatsoever. Mick Karn, who often plays bass with David Torn, uses a very similar technique on fretless bass. Wonderful lines. It starts with just a couple of notes, and eventually grows into a blur of slides, pops, and snorts. I must confess, though, that I'm starting to itch for electronics again. If I can find the time, I might build a nice stereo tube amp for my acoustic guitar, something that complements the tone. And finally, I've been listening lately to a fairly primitive looping album... "The Big Industry", by Roger Miller. It was the start of his "Maximum Electric Piano" work. He used a Yamaha electric baby grand (the kind with strings), with Cage-style preparations, a volume pedal, and a couple of fuzz boxes for a tone source. For looping, he used a simple analog delay and a classic E-H 16 Second Delay. Amazing stuff. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Mon Sep 29 09:50:35 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 29 09:24:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xFicF-0002s3-00; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 09:24:11 -0700 To: "Loopers-Delight Postings" Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:50:53 -0700 From: " frivolous" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Good Ole Fashioned tape looping X-Sender-Ip: 194.72.122.73 Organization: MailExcite (http://www.mailexcite.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"LMSayB.A.2DC.YS9L0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/667 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 09:24:11 -0700 X-UIDL: ee3dbba85817d720e73379ed956d5e45 > >Has anyone managed to come up with a single machine system? Would this work; signal hit the record head, using some kind of tape tension kluge, pull the tape some distance away from the machine, pre-capstan, so that the distance between the record and playback heads is increased. I've been messing with a Dokorder that I picked up a couple of weeks ago and it seems to me this could work. Any ideas? Well, what I have tried involves a three-head tape deck and a continuous cassette (from an old answering machine). It didn't work, but I need to try it again, by finding an old broken down deck: Hopefully, I can simply swap the record and playback heads around, and that will give me 30 or 60 seconds of unsynchronized delay. If necessary, I could add a speed control too (even linked to a pedal?) Needs a mixer, too, and Dolby C (unless you want retro lo-fi)... cheers, --- frivolous@mailexcite.com London, UK http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/3242/ See the XLChords Project - MS Excel does chords? Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com From ???@??? Mon Sep 29 09:50:35 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 29 09:19:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xFiXM-0002Lp-00; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 09:19:08 -0700 X-From_:moin@eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de Mon Sep 29 09:19:07 1997 Received: from eikonwww.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de [129.187.240.7] (root) by ferret with esmtp (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xFiXK-0002LS-00; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 09:19:06 -0700 Received: from luzifer (dial233.lrz-muenchen.de [129.187.24.233]) by eikonwww.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA07143 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:19:02 +0200 (METDST) Message-ID: <342FD51E.7F08C634@eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> Old-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:19:42 +0200 From: Rainer Straschill Organization: Moinlabs GFX and Soundworks X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.25 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex live (long) References: <199709261407.KAA11505@mail.colba.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 09:19:08 -0700 X-UIDL: 155abe3676005de4a5bcb9a44ccbc333 Julia & Dave wrote: > Incidentally, I had a JamMan and a Reflex, and both seemed to > be humming a little. I thought this had to do with the adapters, > but now that I have the Vortex which is the quietest device I > have ever heard in the lower price range, I am beginning to > suspect the hum was being carried thru the MIDI input. Is this > possible at all? David, it is possible. The MIDI connector uses pins two and four (directly to left & right from the centre pin) for the MIDI signal, using a opto-coupler (and thus theoretically hum-free) current loop, BUT the connector shell is used as a shield, connecting the ground levels of the two connected devices via the cable shield (MIDI specs require a twisted pair for the signal, shielded together, although you«re not very likely to find any of these cables). This connection can create a ground loop and this way hum. Remedies: 1. Cut through shield connection in the MIDI cable. This is not possible with some devices, especially with things like Anateck Pocket products, which get their power supply via the MIDI cabling. Also you might pick up interference with long MIDI lines. 2. Disconnect the unfused earth connector of one of the devices. This is only possible if the device has this connector, and should be used with caution - I would only recommend it with devices with no touchable metal parts. 3. Experiment with the ground connections in the devices, where possible (like in the EMU Proteus). Rainer -- *** MOINLABS GFX and Soundworks *** Your choice in professional weirdness http://www.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de/~moin Visit our pages for information on actual projects From ???@??? Mon Sep 29 15:57:36 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 29 10:19:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xFjTM-00075M-00; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:19:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199709291709.KAA22219@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: Good Ole Fashioned tape looping Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:14:14 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PDEwnC.A.5HG.1G-L0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/668 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:19:04 -0700 X-UIDL: b25a033cf5112773900acdc4b4fa6467 ----------------------------- Matthew Finley McCabe Sales/Marketing Support > From: Steven Dubofsky > considering getting back into tape looping. Has anyone managed to come up > with a single machine system? Would this work; signal hit the record Many years ago (I think I was in the 9th grade!!!!), I used my Dad's old 3-head Sony reel-to-reel for looping. If I remember right, I just draped the tape around a glass jar to keep the tension up. Not very hi-tech I admit, but it did work. When the tension finally gave way the loop would gradually slow down and stop. Occasionally during playback the tape would shift and whatever was recorded on the "other side" (tracks 3 & 4) would be played back....backwards of course. Needless to say, it yielded some trippy and very haphazard results. Matt From ???@??? Mon Sep 29 15:57:52 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 29 14:14:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xFn91-0002QQ-00; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:14:19 -0700 Message-ID: <343018EB.49EB@u.washington.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:08:59 -0700 From: Thom Heileson Reply-To: heileson@u.washington.edu Organization: or/Orphean productions / CARTAH X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ultra lo tech looping References: <19970928084518218.AAB82@Default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"nDBO.A.hzB.zjBM0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/669 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:14:19 -0700 X-UIDL: 57745e6363461546d619ee5f93434526 Leonardo Cavallo wrote: > > >Sort-of related but not really -- has anyone here played with an ultra > >lo-tech (and lo-fi) method of looping, i.e. hand-cut cassette loops? > > > >I've been lurking here a while; I mostly use an EPS classic for my > >looping, which is lo-tech enough, but this cassette method was something > >I and a parnter played with a few years ago. Something about its > >rawness, and its limitations actually seemed conducive to interesting + > >unexpected outcomes. Sort of akin to a Surrealist game/experiment > >technique. > > Sorry, the idea is really interesting but I didn't understand. > Do you use 2 cassette recorder like Revox reels systems? Or is this not a > real time looping (you cut the tapes before and then you play them at gigs)?? It could be used live but we used it in the studio; we took apart the casing of a cassette, snipped out most of the tape, and re-inserted (w/ scotch tape!) into the casing in a loop (i.e. a Moebius strip). The loops were only a few seconds long; it was through the layering of them that strucure was built... > Any comment about the role of caos and casuality in loop playing? In terms of chaos, I wouldn't know where to begin discussing it in terms of looping (and other experimental music techniques). It is definitely a prime interst in my reasons / methods for looping, whether it be sampling or tape-looping. Random insert/exit points can, essentially, _create_ aesthetic beauty, i.e. chance is directing the creation of the art. Thom -- _ _ _ Thom Heileson //)) //^~ heileson@u.washington.edu ((// // http://weber.u.washington.edu/~heileson/index.html From ???@??? Mon Sep 29 15:57:54 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 29 14:23:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xFnHb-0003KO-00; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:23:11 -0700 Message-ID: <34301A5D.3091@u.washington.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:15:09 -0700 From: Thom Heileson Reply-To: heileson@u.washington.edu Organization: or/Orphean productions / CARTAH X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Stagner CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ultra lo tech looping References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Oh4u8B.A.5ZC.KqBM0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/670 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:23:11 -0700 X-UIDL: 621bdb6186c8720ed86be639645aa47c Dave Stagner wrote: > Mick Karn, who often plays bass with David Torn, uses a very similar > technique on fretless bass. Wonderful lines. It starts with just a > couple of notes, and eventually grows into a blur of slides, pops, and > snorts. Nice to see Karn mentioned here; he's my bass god. A true genius imo, who has created an amazingly unique style. And his mantra-like bass patterns are, I think, rdefinitely elevant to looping . Thom -- _ _ _ Thom Heileson //)) //^~ heileson@u.washington.edu ((// // http://weber.u.washington.edu/~heileson/index.html From ???@??? Mon Sep 29 15:57:58 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 29 14:48:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xFngT-0005lA-00; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:48:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199709292140.OAA28186@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: "Loop" Subject: Re: Ultra lo tech looping Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:45:05 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ynarEB.A.v8E.iECM0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/671 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:48:53 -0700 X-UIDL: c5979a04384e206ba2e0c4c6161dcd5c ----------------------------- Matthew Finley McCabe Sales/Marketing Support SunGard Bi-Tech Systems Inc. 890 Fortress Street Chico, CA 95973 916.899.4348 http://www.bi-tech.com > Dave Stagner wrote: > > Mick Karn, who often plays bass with David Torn, uses a very similar > > technique on fretless bass. Wonderful lines. It starts with just a > > couple of notes, and eventually grows into a blur of slides, pops, and > > snorts. Karn loops? Where? What albums? I own his last two solo albums and haven't heard any bass looping....should I be listening more carefully? Of course I deleted your original post so maybe it wasn't in reference to looping at all. Alas. Matt From ???@??? Mon Sep 29 15:58:02 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 29 15:19:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xFo9y-0000cQ-00; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:19:22 -0700 Message-ID: <34302808.64D3@u.washington.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:13:28 -0700 From: Thom Heileson Reply-To: heileson@u.washington.edu Organization: or/Orphean productions / CARTAH X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ultra lo tech looping References: <199709292140.OAA28186@gw1.bi-tech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-FfkYD.A.DSH.QgCM0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/672 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:19:22 -0700 X-UIDL: 78f21062590719319937ad353874c9a8 > > Dave Stagner wrote: > > > Mick Karn, who often plays bass with David Torn, uses a very similar > > > technique on fretless bass. Wonderful lines. It starts with just a > > > couple of notes, and eventually grows into a blur of slides, pops, and > > > snorts. > > Karn loops? Where? What albums? I own his last two solo albums and > haven't heard any bass looping....should I be listening more carefully? > > Of course I deleted your original post so maybe it wasn't in reference to > looping at all. Alas. I think he was (and I was) using a loose definition of looping, i.e. creating repeating patterns on the instrument through live playing. Technically different than what is discussed here, but idealogically similar in many ways... -- _ _ _ Thom Heileson //)) //^~ heileson@u.washington.edu ((// // http://weber.u.washington.edu/~heileson/index.html From ???@??? Mon Sep 29 15:58:03 1997 >From kflint Mon Sep 29 15:21:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xFoC7-0000rV-00; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:21:35 -0700 Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:15:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: Loop Subject: Re: Ultra lo tech looping In-Reply-To: <199709292140.OAA28186@gw1.bi-tech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"qj4QQB.A.eR.AjCM0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/673 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:21:35 -0700 X-UIDL: 70c5073840fb5a751bb894030c90fb77 On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Matt McCabe wrote: > > Dave Stagner wrote: > > > Mick Karn, who often plays bass with David Torn, uses a very similar > > > technique on fretless bass. Wonderful lines. It starts with just a > > > couple of notes, and eventually grows into a blur of slides, pops, and > > > snorts. > > Karn loops? Where? What albums? I own his last two solo albums and > haven't heard any bass looping....should I be listening more carefully? AFAIK, he doesn't "loop" in the digital delay sense. What I meant was that his lines tend to start simple, and grow increasingly complex through added ornamentation and detail, which is repeated. So in that sense, Karn "loops" on bass, without additional electronics. I use a similar technique on acoustic guitar, and consider it looping. > Of course I deleted your original post so maybe it wasn't in reference to > looping at all. Alas. Depends on what you mean by "looping". :} -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete.. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Sat Oct 04 02:13:21 1997 >From kflint Fri Oct 3 16:53:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xHHXS-0004oq-00; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 16:53:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199710032345.SAA12725@mail.tds.net> From: "Bruce Gerow" To: Subject: FS Lexicon Vortex Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 02:21:15 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ywopk.A.WuD.kOYN0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/702 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 16:53:42 -0700 X-UIDL: 030a8659612728a1446b9796460d9e8f Thats right,the real thing,Lexicon Vortex for sale.The rack module ONLY.No power supply (needs 9v @ 1A 50-60hz).No foot switch or cable,No manual (but if you really need it I can copy it off the web and print it out for you).One corner of the rack mount is broken (I have heard of this happening before on another unit I saw advertised on the net).Price is firm at $165. plus shipping and COD costs (ship from central NY).Email me if interested. LooseBRuce From ???@??? Tue Sep 30 11:08:06 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 30 10:07:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xG5lX-0000Di-00; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:07:19 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:59:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Pete Koniuto To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ultra lo tech looping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"ptyepD.A.P4G.QATM0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/674 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:07:19 -0700 X-UIDL: a89952649a5c86eea1015857b32b2d85 On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Dave Stagner wrote: > Mick Karn, who often plays bass with David Torn, uses a very similar > technique on fretless bass. Wonderful lines. It starts with just a > couple of notes, and eventually grows into a blur of slides, pops, and > snorts. Yes, indeed, this is very much how he comes up with some of those irresistable bass lines. I wish i could relate to you folks what it was like witnessing Karn, Torn, and Bozzio warming up during the Polytown recordings with 45-minute jam sessions. For many of those pieces on the album, Bozzio already had a solid idea what the drum parts were going to be. I remember the first night they had everything set up and were finally going to get to play together, with Bruce Calder (the engineer) tweaking here and there. Bozzio put on this CD of Senegalese drummers in the control room, to which everyone listened intently. Then they went out and jammed. Like i said, Bozzio already had pretty set ideas of the ostinato patterns he was going to use in the drum parts, leaving room for improvisation. But it was up to Karn and Torn to lift these patterns and take them to a different place (a city populated in three weeks?). Dave, i thank you for nailing it right on the head. I was not that familiar with Karn's playing before those sessions, only what Torn had said about him, that there was no other bass player like him. He would start out simple, fitting in comfortably with what Bozzio was doing. At first i thought, Nice groove, great tone, but nothing all that out of the ordinary. The dude's got chops. Then Torn would come in, soaring in, above, underneath, and around the "rhythm section". The chemistry of all three was instantly apparent, yet very unique, like nothing i had ever heard. I would try to keep my attention on the whole, but it would drift from musician to musician, often to the relation between two of them. I realized then that Karn's simple little bass line groove wasn't so simple any more. He had added really hard thumps in between Bozzio's kick drum beats, and pops and slides would seem thrown in at random to accentuate this or that, but they kept coming back with some sick and twisted--yet consistent--pattern. It was as if he had a looping device, but his "looping" was all happening in his head. All the little textural nuances building up, some even fading away into the distance as more came in. And though Bozzio had developed his ostinato into something a little more, well, Bozzio, and Torn was now playing flames with his guitar and creating loopage and sonic havoc everywhere, Karn's "loop" was right there with it all, and it worked beautifully. A true testament to Karn's incredible ear and his ability to use it to his advantage in the most precarious of musical situations. He can hear and listen very, very well, and this allows him to take chances with his playing. These risks lead to some of the most unique, innovative musicianship i have ever seen or heard. Pete Koniuto ----------------- Music Library Boston University 617-353-3705 pkoniuto@bu.edu ----------------- From ???@??? Sat Oct 04 14:23:40 1997 >From kflint Sat Oct 4 04:56:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xHSpK-0005J6-00; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 04:56:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199710041153.GAA14396@mail.tds.net> From: "Bruce Gerow" To: Subject: VORTEX Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:35:06 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mCe1eB.A.GwE.y4iN0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/704 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 04:56:54 -0700 X-UIDL: cea5df3c09a3d82082bdbbe759533a2f Hi Loopers and Loopets, Can anyone suggest sources and/or perhaps know of prices for power supplys (wall Warts) that are good for the Lexicon Vortex.The unit says 9v AC at 1 amp.It also says use Lexicon msa ac adapter.Are they available from Lexicon?Also looking for footswitches. Thanks, LooseBruce From ???@??? Tue Sep 30 11:08:13 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 30 10:51:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xG6Rm-000404-00; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:50:58 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:45:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ultra lo tech looping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"V0dO3D.A.PVD.mrTM0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/675 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:50:58 -0700 X-UIDL: d48a76f0d7656c709d6342897849204f On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Pete Koniuto wrote: > > I realized then that Karn's simple little bass line groove > wasn't so simple any more. He had added really hard thumps > in between Bozzio's kick drum beats, and pops and slides > would seem thrown in at random to accentuate this or that, > but they kept coming back with some sick and twisted--yet > consistent--pattern. It was as if he had a looping device, > but his "looping" was all happening in his head. All the > little textural nuances building up, some even fading away > into the distance as more came in. And though Bozzio had > developed his ostinato into something a little more, well, > Bozzio, and Torn was now playing flames with his guitar and > creating loopage and sonic havoc everywhere, Karn's "loop" > was right there with it all, and it worked beautifully. > A true testament to Karn's incredible ear and his ability > to use it to his advantage in the most precarious of musical > situations. He can hear and listen very, very well, and > this allows him to take chances with his playing. These > risks lead to some of the most unique, innovative musicianship > i have ever seen or heard. > > > Pete Koniuto Wow Pete, you really paint a mouth-watering picture. Where can I pick up an album of these three playing together? I'm a fan of Bozzio from his days with Zappa, but haven't picked up on Torn or Karn yet. Please tell me there's an album of this musical magic (madness?) out there somewhere. :) --- Todd Pafford galen@erols.com (preferred) todd@galen.dyn.ml.org (expect bounces) From ???@??? Tue Sep 30 11:08:14 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 30 11:01:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xG6c5-0004yk-00; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:01:37 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970930175047.006ebc84@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:50:47 -0700 To: Todd Pafford , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Ultra lo tech looping Resent-Message-ID: <"mCk9tC.A.zSE.A2TM0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/676 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:01:37 -0700 X-UIDL: f0d045753b903e772e24ceef55cec6ea At 01:45 PM 9/30/97 -0400, Todd Pafford wrote: > >Wow Pete, you really paint a mouth-watering picture. Where can I pick up >an album of these three playing together? I'm a fan of Bozzio from his >days with Zappa, but haven't picked up on Torn or Karn yet. Please tell >me there's an album of this musical magic (madness?) out there somewhere. >:) it's called Polytown, released in 1994 on CMP records. Yes, it is a great album. kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue Sep 30 11:34:40 1997 >From kflint Tue Sep 30 11:24:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.62 #4) id 0xG6xq-0006lW-00; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:24:06 -0700 From: cdeupree@interagp.com (Caleb Deupree) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-reply-to: <2.2.32.19970930175047.006ebc84@pop.chromatic.com> (message from Kim Flint on Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:50:47 -0700) Subject: Re: Ultra lo tech looping Reply-to: cdeupree@interagp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:15:59 -0400 Message-ID: <19970930181558218.AAA181@NUDGE.interagp.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"E0AvZD.A.EzF.wJUM0"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/677 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:24:06 -0700 X-UIDL: 9b2471209e92cbf4da3e4040287d4373 >>>>> "Kim" == Kim Flint writes: >> Wow Pete, you really paint a mouth-watering picture. Where can >> I pick up an album of these three playing together? I'm a fan >> of Bozzio from his days with Zappa, but haven't picked up on >> Torn or Karn yet. Please tell me there's an album of this >> musical magic (madness?) out there somewhere. :) Kim> it's called Polytown, released in 1994 on CMP records. Yes, Kim> it is a great album. Yes, it is great. It's also out of print since CMP went under, so grab them while you can. This also applies to Torn & Karn's solo albums for that label -- I'm having a heck of a time tracking down What Means Solid, Traveler (and kicking myself vigorously for passing it by a few months back). --- Caleb T. Deupree ;; Opinions do not reflect on management Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. (Pablo Picasso)