From ???@??? Sun Jun 01 13:01:05 1997 >From kflint Sun Jun 1 02:27:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wY6vZ-0005WR-00; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 02:27:53 -0700 Message-Id: <6502.199706010925@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 10:25:32 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Re: JamMan, TransTrem, and other words that have a capital letter in the middle Resent-Message-ID: <"WAVET.A.bFF.UAUkz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 02:27:53 -0700 X-UIDL: 5cb83734342b34d23eb4bb29120dc030 > Yes, it uses double ball strings. That's part of the deal with the > steinberger tremolo/no headstock design. I haven't had to buy strings yet, > but I just figured I could mailorder them. Allan Holdsworth gets custom-made LaBella 8's, or did when he used DBE strings... >> Number two, do y'all know if it's possible to get a TransTrem to install >> in a normal guitar, say, a mutant Strat-like unit? > If the guitar wasn't designed for the transtrem, you will need to seriously > > butcher it to get one on there. It needs to be on the edge of the body, Hmm... I think you only need to do that if you need decent access to the tuners. If you're putting the TT on a Strat, you'd still use the machineheads, and wouldn't need to use the trem tuners much. I'm sure that's what happens on the Steinberger Sceptre(?) - y'know, the one with the headstock... I've also heard that PRS will build you a TT-equipped model if you ask them nicely. >so on your strat, you would need to >chop out all the wood between the bridge and the edge of the body where the >strap pin is. I guess you would then have a mutant flying V..... Or an Ibanez Reb Beach model... Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Sun May 31 13:51:06 1998 Return-path: Envelope-to: kflint@annihilist.com Delivery-date: Sun, 31 May 1998 13:27:02 -0700 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.90 #1) for kflint@annihilist.com id 0ygEh3-0001mN-00; Sun, 31 May 1998 13:27:01 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970601112128.00671640@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: lostsoul@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 04:21:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: anthony Subject: Re: edp memory question Resent-Message-ID: <"8kKhhB.A.ucB.Yxbc1"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5770 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 13:27:01 -0700 X-UIDL: 8151141d1fefd13792a69ce824744e63 for the love of god p[lease take me off this damn list From ???@??? Mon Jun 02 10:03:58 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 2 05:30:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYWFT-0000xD-00; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 05:30:07 -0700 Message-ID: <3391961C.5D24@cam.org> Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 08:32:44 -0700 From: Isagil Organization: Desorganization X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Newlooper X-URL: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"q4gCgD.A.Ly.swrkz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 05:30:07 -0700 X-UIDL: 8228a9e363ddb4472ca7b5ca891939d9 Greetings all, I'm a new kid here on this list. I'm a bassist in a jazz trio & I've been using for a short while a Lexicon JamMan from the guitarist in our trio. It really expends the sonic versatility - if I added an octaver or a Whammy, solos would sound neat too... And if I ever get to play my contra-bass *right* with a bow, there'll be many interesting possibilities. Since the JamMan is sold out and part of history, I thought buying an Echoplex would be a good deal. I found your mailing list just yesterday - many persons seem to be using that Echoplex around here. Any comments regarding that tool? Regards, Gilles Douaire From ???@??? Sun Jun 01 16:49:03 1997 >From kflint Sun Jun 1 13:53:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYHcc-0007bx-00; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:53:02 -0700 Message-ID: <3391E147.B4B@bgnet.bgsu.edu> Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 16:53:27 -0400 From: Jeff Schwartz X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan, TransTrem, and other words that have a capital letter in the middle References: <6502.199706010925@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6-fmZC.A.0AH.3Cekz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 13:53:02 -0700 X-UIDL: 666473127833062805a8ecc776603ea7 Thanks to Kim and everyone for answering my ignorant TransTrem questions. As I get more and more into figuring out what the Vortex can do, I find I'm using pedal-controlled delay times with a 100% wet mix to get pitch bends. Listening to Henry Kaiser however, I covet more elaborate pitch tweakage. . How about a discussion of moderately priced pitch shifting/harmonizing/whammy-ing devices? -- Jeff Schwartz jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html From ???@??? Sun Jun 01 16:49:05 1997 >From kflint Sun Jun 1 16:34:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYK8h-00060I-00; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 16:34:20 -0700 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 19:32:10 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) Subject: Whammy Resent-Message-ID: <"pmRCE.A.AhF.Aagkz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/78 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 16:34:20 -0700 X-UIDL: 9213435b2ce68d5604bad7be0214def9 Jeff Schwartz wrote: I covet more elaborate pitch tweakage. . How about a discussion >of moderately priced pitch shifting/harmonizing/whammy-ing devices? >-- >Jeff Schwartz >jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu >http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html What about the digitech whammy pedal? That thing seems to do alot of pitch shifting and whammy. Kind of looks cool too!! Hayden Porter hporter@uakron.edu From ???@??? Mon Jun 02 01:19:14 1997 >From kflint Sun Jun 1 17:08:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYKfH-0007LG-00; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 17:07:59 -0700 Message-ID: <33921029.948@crystalball.com> Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 19:13:29 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@crystalball.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Rang Features References: <9705301726.AA28187@beryllium.lexicon.com> <338F4ACA.216@bgnet.bgsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wUsAD.A.ExG.q5gkz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/79 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 17:07:59 -0700 X-UIDL: c52e0535674e502de83b4b7e31466918 Patrick Smith wrote: > > Bob, > > Would it be possible to add to your list of mods a function that would > allow you to record a loop, play it backwards, record over the backward > section, and continue to flip flop these overlays? Could get chaotic, but > it may get very cool..... > > Thanks for all your thought and effort in this. > > Patrick > The Boomerang Phrase Sampler does this now. Any part can be recorded forward or reverse; and then the whole musical creation can be played forward or reverse at your whim. Motley From ???@??? Mon Jun 02 01:19:16 1997 >From kflint Sun Jun 1 17:53:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYLMw-0001Kg-00; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 17:53:06 -0700 Message-ID: <33921AC6.4317@crystalball.com> Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 19:58:46 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@crystalball.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"iKWzdB.A.NIB.Ekhkz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/80 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 17:53:06 -0700 X-UIDL: b4038604cff223362e65313dd2bf3a9d Someone was talking earlier about the gorgeous tone and sustain the Klein guitars produce. My question is this - is this true for clean sounds? My number one guitar is a 15 year old G&L Skyhawk (strat style replaced by the Legacy) with a solid maple body. Through a good tube amp this ax sounds beautiful. I know the Steinberger, and I suppose the Klein, sound great for very high gain, overdriven tones like Alan Holdsworth uses, but do they project an acoustic richness and complex woody sounds? I have equipped this guitar with a Hot Rails humbucker (single coil footprint) and a 2 position switch that taps that pickup and turns it on all the time. With this and the stock 5 position pickup selector, I can get all seven pickup combinations. Motley From ???@??? Mon Jun 02 01:19:17 1997 >From kflint Sun Jun 1 18:48:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYMEQ-0003dW-00; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 18:48:22 -0700 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 21:43:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <970601214341_843888520@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan, TransTrem, and other words that have a capital letter in the middle Resent-Message-ID: <"51JFTC.A.4LD.MWikz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/81 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 18:48:22 -0700 X-UIDL: 59c897ae7400eda18bd2a681047714cb <> Indeed...and what about exotic filters, like the Meatball, Mutator, etc., and other things them English kids'r using? dpc From ???@??? Mon Jun 02 01:19:18 1997 >From kflint Sun Jun 1 19:25:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYMo9-0005HU-00; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 19:25:17 -0700 Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 22:22:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <970601222200_-1095646553@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Plex stereo Resent-Message-ID: <"FgHWgC.A._zE.H6ikz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/82 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 19:25:17 -0700 X-UIDL: 6f24171dc2333832a3f5c4f75319a7a1 So, is it happening, really, no-muss-no-fuss, just get two and you're there? or is it if-fy, or waiting for software upgrades, etc...? Thanks! From ???@??? Mon Jun 02 01:19:19 1997 >From kflint Sun Jun 1 20:05:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYNRE-00079z-00; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 20:05:40 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 00:10:09 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Sublime experience looping --warning: no guitar content! Resent-Message-ID: <"6mgp3B.A.tfG.Bfjkz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/83 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 20:05:40 -0700 X-UIDL: 06f415d94cf5ddeb6ee662e131cc8012 Russell Gorton wrote: >Latest Echoplex victim: my buddy Dan's Fender Rhodes Model Seventy-Three >stage piano. > >When I picked it up to loan...Dan is a ReallyNiceGuy(tm)... I didn't realize >that these old things were totally passive electronics. Duh. I was >looking for >the power cord for, like, 3 whole minutes before I took the top off and >examined >the innards. No power supply. "Must work like one of them eee-lectric guitars >all these kids are playing nowadays..." Amazing, isnt it? I had one of those. It still lives with a friend in switzerland, probably not played. I remember we used to push the midrange, probably around 2 kHz to bring out the nice attack. During the whole 70ies, there was no real alternative to the Rhodes: The Hohner pianet with flat tongues and capacitive pick up was ridiculous. The Hohner clavinet was great, with real cords, but no bass, little sustain - marked the beginning of the funk aera. And then there was the piano that Supertramp created their success with (Hohner, too?), a rather childish sound, for my taste. Around '78, the Electric Grands came, heavy and expensive, and still just one cord per note and not very realistic sound. I think there was a Yamaha and a Kawai. They soon became outdated by the polyphonic synths. Only problem with Rhodes: The tone "wires" break if you attack to hard, and they might be hard to replace, now. >Looping several different short 8-10 second chord changes; think "Kind of Blue" >riff or something... then use NextLoop w/SwitchQuant=On to walk through them. >Then, play various inversions and diminished variations of same over the >loops...solo notes wash over the transitions between loops. Overdub when the >urge strikes! > >As with other things I loop ('cello, analog synth), I'm getting about an 85% >success rate with noiseless startpoints. What seems to help is selecting a >dominant note that is slowly decaying over each startpoint, trying not to >attack >that note too near the startpoint. Each small loop is overdubbed once to wash >over the startpoint with that same note (end Record with Overdub, or end Record >with Insert in Rehearse mode until I get it near how I want it...) Get the >startpoints of all the small loops within a range of similarity and it is >surprisingly easy to step through the loops without any abrupt changeovers. >Loving that Echoplex...what a box! Thank you. Great to hear from somebody that seems to *understand* the box! >The overtones and room resonance are mind-blowing. Absolutely gorgeous! The >"tines" (is this what they're called?--the little tuning-fork metal bar guys >that vibrate on the Rhodes' sounding board) set up washes of eardrum-buzzing, >underwater-landscape-on-quaaludes-with-Milt-Jackson-on-vibes that put everyone >(even the dog) into trance mode. > >The interaction between the instrument's sounding board (sustain pads raised) >and the amplified looped versions is phenomenal. A great instrument for >looping! This I did not understand: Did you get some kind of feedback from the loop into the instrument? So the notes would resonate with the look like a sympathy cord? Great post! Matthias From ???@??? Mon Jun 02 01:19:22 1997 >From kflint Sun Jun 1 23:56:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYR2u-0000zk-00; Sun, 1 Jun 1997 23:56:48 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 97 01:54 CDT From: "kim corbet" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Whammy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: POPmail 2.3b2 Resent-Message-ID: <"QxuQB.A.wz.74mkz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 23:56:48 -0700 X-UIDL: 6a85adc528f9a7a9bcae72c9b6af47dc In response to... > I covet more elaborate pitch tweakage. . How about a discussion > >of moderately priced pitch shifting/harmonizing/whammy-ing devices? > What about the digitech whammy pedal? That thing seems to do alot of pitch > shifting and whammy. Kind of looks cool too!! ....................I have 2 Whammy IIs and love 'em. They're wonderful with a mic...or anything else I've put them through. When I have both in the set up, I generally have one as a frontline processor (it has a nice little preamp for remote ampage) and put the other one right after my rang to be able to warp out the loopage. One iteresting effect is playing the rang loop back at half-speed and shooting it up an octave on the trailing whammy so the pitch is the same as the original but half the original rate...duh. you can imagine the variations. The whammy has good tracking, better than anything else I've seen in the $150 - $200 range and has a variety of stepped through stages. The pedal part of the pedal allows you to smoothly gliss up and down various intervals (up to 2 octs) and to play several harmony intervals. I especially like using trombone to create steel guitarish lines as I rock between m3 and M3 or 5ths and 6ths, etc. I have minor complaints about the interface (you can only step Forward through the stages and there oughta be a slight center notch on the pedal to be able to (for example) find exact unison when you're given the choice of oct up or oct down harmony. And, while I'm being picky, when I'm using a mic, I have to always be aware of how much I'm bleeding the rest of the band through my mic. Some folks go ballistic when they hear their own hard fought sound coming out in strange intervals through someone else's stage monitor. I generally find if I set up on the opposite side of the stage from the lead guitarist, I get fewer sore ribs from agressive necks probing my space. Of course, there's an effect mute switch, the use of which is determined by my attitude toward the gig and any potential disturbed bleeders. That said, I'm awfully glad to have found the Whammy. I've played several sessions using trombone to exactly mimic trumpet or tuba. And the two octave up is so etherial...I often use it on bass to get above the rest of the band for solo and pad stuff...and that's all I have to say about that - Forest Gump. From ???@??? Mon Jun 02 10:04:00 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 2 06:01:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYWjV-00027w-00; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 06:01:09 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:58:36 +0200 (MET DST) From: Olivier Malhomme To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Susutainer 3 switch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: "GIS INFOBIOGEN, 7 rue Guy Moquet BP8, 94801 VILLEJUIF, France" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"UtMaZD.A.p3B.XOskz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/86 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 06:01:09 -0700 X-UIDL: 62708da415e54177cd45ff337a61717e According to me, the three way switch works that way: up: sustain the root mid sustain the 2nd harmonic (octave above) down sustain the third one (5th above octave, a 17th) But but but expresience with the machine shows that it depends where you play on the neck. after mre or lass the 12th fret (and higher) we go down of on "rank" of harmonic. up don't change, mid gives the root and down gives more the octave than the 17th, but it changes for this one because the higher harmonics they are, the "energy full" they seem to be (anyone can tell me the corrct word in plain english?). olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Mon Jun 02 10:04:05 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 2 08:36:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYZ9J-0001V2-00; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 08:35:57 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:27:51 -0400 From: crb@silvertone.Princeton.EDU (Curtis Bahn) Message-Id: <199706021527.LAA14832@silvertone.Princeton.EDU> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Newlooper Cc: isagil@cam.org Resent-Message-ID: <"pgLXzC.A.MGB.Fdukz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/87 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 08:35:57 -0700 X-UIDL: 2658a25657d8d4ce16b05fb774aa7c52 I also play string-bass and use various looping toys. I love the features of my Echoplex BUT there is a input gate which is a problem with bowed tones. It doesn't pick up the softer sounds, and then clicks on in the middle of a stroke. Maybe this will be fixed with a software update I don't know. Maybe try out a Boomerang, I find it the most useful (compared my Jam Man, and Echoplex) in simple "jazz trio" settings, it plugs into your amp and acts like a stomp box. It handles the bow just fine and has a half speed/ double speed button that will speed up a loop so that it sounds in the guitar register. The reverse digital delay feature is a lot of fun in freer solos also. Cheers sreehC (forward/backward looped Cheers), Curtis Bahn crb@music.princeton.edu From ???@??? Mon Jun 02 21:58:37 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 2 13:26:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYdgS-0004ct-00; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:26:28 -0700 Message-Id: <9706021807.AA02872@beryllium.lexicon.com> Priority: urgent Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:32:00 -0400 From: "Hogan, Greg" Subject: RE: Ordering JamMan memory To: Loopers-Delight , sodonne X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Resent-Message-ID: <"TUXPSB.A.1EE.Iuykz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/94 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:26:28 -0700 X-UIDL: 8798e2cf39b40d5aa051289d25bfc2ff Sean asked:"My JamMan has the standard 8 second memory. How many of the chips do I need to purchase to get the full 32 seconds?" and The rep at visionsoft said that the chips are equivalent to one-half megabyte each...is that standard for J-Man memory? You will need to replace the 4 chips in the JAMMAN with 4 new chips. When the rep says one-half megabyte he means at eight bits. The JAMMAN uses a 16 bit word so each chip is equivalent to 1/4 megabyte. All four chips together will equal 1 byte. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone 617-280-0372 FAX 617-280-0499 email:ghogan@lexicon.com From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 09:48:40 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 00:49:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYoLS-0000mF-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 00:49:30 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Echoplex and The Outdoors Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:15:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"g3D6B.A.-V.wt8kz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/98 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 00:49:30 -0700 X-UIDL: a14241cdb34e914f456104a68e08bb56 Hello folks. Friday I was playing an outdoor show in Boston. Temperature in the high 50's / low 60's. Coolish. Maybe a little humidity? Good breeze going. i have 107 seconds om memory. I was merrily looping and I hit the OVERDUB button and the loop craps out a la Thermal Problem & UNDO probem. I have left the space above my Obie empty to help w/cooling.... The rest of the evening went great and fun was had by all... Have others experienced this, or am I uniquely gifted? David From ???@??? Mon Jun 02 21:58:34 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 2 11:58:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYcJ3-0006nf-00; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:58:13 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:20:54 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Sustain Resent-Message-ID: <"C-Gdo.A.nBG.Eaxkz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/91 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 11:58:13 -0700 X-UIDL: aeb8e1c4199757172d015c69e32837e8 >>However, the guitar is going (used) for $900. No way. I've got to build >>me one of these.... somehow! > >I've never gotten around to checking out the circuit in mine, but I suspect >it is pretty simple. They just take the signal from the bridge pickup, >filter it, and use it to drive the neck pickup in reverse. Just as strings >moving in the pickup's magnetic field produces an ac voltage at the output >of the coil, applying a signal voltage to the coil output will cause the >motion of the magnetic field to move the string. NotRocketScience (tm). You >need to make sure you get the pickup placement right so that you drive the >string in phase. Sure I tried it, years ago. There are problems I did not have the patience to solve: 1 To keep the correct phase for any note is not easy. 2 To drive, you need power. Either a higher tension than battery or a low impedance pickup (DIY?). In any case, its hard to keep the strong driving signal separate from the outgoing sound signal. If you bring the supply to the guitar, keep the ground separate. If you bring the driver signal to the guitar from a external amp, shield it separately. 3 The driver tends to feed back directly to the pickup. To avoid it, you need to limit its energy, make it more effective through filtering or build it in a specific way so it does not stray the magnetic field. But... go ahead and find out! Matthias From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 09:48:39 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 00:42:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYb1F-0001Iw-00; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:35:45 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199706021527.LAA14832@silvertone.Princeton.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:24:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Newlooper Cc: isagil@cam.org Resent-Message-ID: <"fVcQyB.A.hz.3Lwkz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/88 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:35:45 -0700 X-UIDL: f455ddae7bbb7f4ae71eb626d3be7b32 At 11:27 AM -0400 6/2/97, Curtis Bahn wrote: >I also play string-bass and use various looping toys. I love the features >of my Echoplex BUT there is a input gate which is a problem with bowed tones. >It doesn't pick up the softer sounds, and then clicks on in the middle of a >stroke. Maybe this will be fixed with a software update I don't know. upcoming software updates will address this problem. >Maybe >try out a Boomerang, I find it the most useful (compared my Jam Man, and > >Echoplex) in simple "jazz trio" settings, it plugs into your amp and acts >like a stomp box. It handles the bow just fine You may want to consider that bowed strings have a very wide frequency bandwidth. (I've measured them going well beyond human hearing range, actually) The Boomerang's bandwidth is quite a bit lower than most other delay units, but you should give it a try to see whether that's a problem for you or not. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 09:48:40 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 01:01:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYbGS-0002Q5-00; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:51:28 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33921AC6.4317@crystalball.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:39:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar Resent-Message-ID: <"TQwxrC.A.pxB.pZwkz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/89 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:51:28 -0700 X-UIDL: 92e5a5dc2ea0664652ef9bee4013a230 At 7:58 PM -0500 6/1/97, Mikell D. Nelson wrote: >Someone was talking earlier about the gorgeous tone and sustain the >Klein guitars produce. My question is this - is this true for clean >sounds? The vast majority of guitar playing I do these days is with clean tones. That's what I was talking about with the tone of my Klein. I'm getting everything from out-of-phase funky strat tones to bluesy strat tones to Les Paul type humbucker sounds to rich acoustic/arch-top tones. (all through tube amps, naturally) I do a lot of jazz playing, so rich clean tones are very important to me. That's the first thing I look for in any guitar or amp! > My number one guitar is a 15 year old G&L Skyhawk (strat style >replaced by the Legacy) with a solid maple body. Through a good tube amp >this ax sounds beautiful. I know the Steinberger, and I suppose the >Klein, sound great for very high gain, overdriven tones like Alan >Holdsworth uses, but do they project an acoustic richness and complex >woody sounds? Other than the missing-headstock design, I would describe a Klein as "not at all like a Steinberger." The graphite in the Steinbergers make them sound very flat and one-dimensional to me. You can get a Klein made with graphite if you really want to, but I get the feeling that nobody does that. Mine is swamp ash and rosewood, and "acoustic richness and complex woody sounds" is exactly what I love about it. Strummed acoustically it is quite loud, like a 335. The resonance chamber does that for you. In fact, all my high-gain distortion sounds had to be "fixed" for the Klein. They had all been biased on the bright side to make my other guitars sound good. All the upper harmonics from the Klein made them sound muddy, sort of like the way an archtop like an ES175 or something sounds through a distortion pedal. Once I rolled off some of the treble, they sounded great too. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 09:48:39 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 00:40:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYbKM-0002hP-00; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:55:30 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <970601222200_-1095646553@emout10.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:43:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Plex stereo Resent-Message-ID: <"3MWZ0C.A.CKC.Bfwkz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/90 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:55:30 -0700 X-UIDL: 86419df3f6a4aa77ef7ba7210df46f08 At 10:22 PM -0400 6/1/97, Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: >So, is it happening, really, no-muss-no-fuss, just get two and you're there? >or is it if-fy, or waiting for software upgrades, etc...? Thanks! Works great for me. With the current software you need to do a couple things differently than the manual describes to make it work right. Not a big deal, just a couple different parameter settings. The new software will fix that and make stereo even easier, but you shouldn't have any trouble with the current version. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Jun 02 21:58:36 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 2 12:36:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYctm-0001SI-00; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:36:10 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 14:48:45 -0400 From: crb@silvertone.Princeton.EDU (Curtis Bahn) Message-Id: <199706021848.OAA15741@silvertone.Princeton.EDU> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Newlooper Resent-Message-ID: <"iGDFWB.A.MDB.D-xkz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/93 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:36:10 -0700 X-UIDL: b787f410b85d92d93e27b72b5a10f494 If you're playing through a bass amp the signal is already pretty "low-passed." Besides, if you use a bridge pick-up, (underwood, wilson, barbera etc. ) most high frequencies in amplified bowed bass sounds are artifacts of the pick-up (and are pretty obnoxious). This is less true with small mic. pick-ups that would get some of the resonation of the "box." I have an EQ setting that rolls off the highs when I bow anyway. Don't get me wrong, the echoplex works GREAT for everything but the bow. If the input gate setting becomes an option in an update Im sure this would be fine too. I agree that the 'rang is not the choice for high-quality studio recording or if you are using a really full-range amplification system. Then maybe get the 'plex and try to compress the signal a bit before the input. Or, get them all and use the one that works best at the moment for what you want... good luck, Curtis crb@music.princeton.edu >You may want to consider that bowed strings have a very wide frequency >bandwidth. (I've measured them going well beyond human hearing range, >actually) The Boomerang's bandwidth is quite a bit lower than most other >delay units, but you should give it a try to see whether that's a problem >for you or not. >At 11:27 AM -0400 6/2/97, Curtis Bahn wrote: >>I also play string-bass and use various looping toys. I love the features >>of my Echoplex BUT there is a input gate which is a problem with bowed tones. >>It doesn't pick up the softer sounds, and then clicks on in the middle of a >>stroke. Maybe this will be fixed with a software update I don't know. >>upcoming software updates will address this problem. >>Maybe >>try out a Boomerang, I find it the most useful (compared my Jam Man, and >> >>Echoplex) in simple "jazz trio" settings, it plugs into your amp and acts >>like a stomp box. It handles the bow just fine From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 09:48:34 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 00:24:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYcpu-0001AY-00; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:32:10 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 15:23:13 -0400 (EDT) From: MiqSk8@aol.com Message-ID: <970602152312_-229068803@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: special balls and no backsides... Resent-Message-ID: <"ZWb1sB.A.qo.A4xkz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/92 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:32:10 -0700 X-UIDL: 84246dc16c38984aea44518765223259 In a message dated 97-05-31 19:31:53 EDT, you write: << I haven't had to buy strings yet, but I just figured I could mailorder them. >> La Bella makes special double ball ended strings _just_ for the the transtrem. they are supposedly the only licensed transtrem strings. one of the balls is machined and grooved for a better fit. i've tried plain double ended ones with varying shades of success, but if you really want accurate retuning and locking, these are the way to go. unfortunately, of course, they're tough to find and not cheap. La Bella does, however, throw in an extra high e string with every set, making it a little more practical. I've had good luck having my gtr guy get boxes of complete sets, but we've been waiting about a month for an order of .009,.011, and .014. <> my guitar guy has one of these in his shop. it looked like to me that after taking off the pseudo floyd(nasty), there would be a whole lot of anything left to attach the ttrem to. plus it would be a waste of a good tremelo ;) From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 09:48:33 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 00:06:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYe0S-0005tb-00; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:47:08 -0700 Message-ID: <33934AAD.2E0D@interaccess.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 15:35:25 -0700 From: Jim Coker X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sustain References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"T8ulSB.A.zMF.p_ykz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/95 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:47:08 -0700 X-UIDL: 25f23303ba647ad9d025782744ffef4f Hmmmm. a very complex set of problems, as I had also thought of getting a couple extra pickups and trying the DIY approach. Actually I think an interesting approach would be to buy 6 ebows, pull out the electronics, and mount them in a guitar body, but that probably also be difficult, particularly in terms of mounting the hardware. It would allow one neat thing, independent sustainability on each string... jim Matthias Grob wrote: > > >>However, the guitar is going (used) for $900. No way. I've got to build > >>me one of these.... somehow! > > > >I've never gotten around to checking out the circuit in mine, but I suspect > >it is pretty simple. They just take the signal from the bridge pickup, > >filter it, and use it to drive the neck pickup in reverse. Just as strings > >moving in the pickup's magnetic field produces an ac voltage at the output > >of the coil, applying a signal voltage to the coil output will cause the > >motion of the magnetic field to move the string. NotRocketScience (tm). You > >need to make sure you get the pickup placement right so that you drive the > >string in phase. > > Sure I tried it, years ago. There are problems I did not have the patience > to solve: > > 1 To keep the correct phase for any note is not easy. > > 2 To drive, you need power. Either a higher tension than battery or a low > impedance pickup (DIY?). In any case, its hard to keep the strong driving > signal separate from the outgoing sound signal. If you bring the supply to > the guitar, keep the ground separate. If you bring the driver signal to the > guitar from a external amp, shield it separately. > > 3 The driver tends to feed back directly to the pickup. To avoid it, you > need to limit its energy, make it more effective through filtering or build > it in a specific way so it does not stray the magnetic field. > > But... go ahead and find out! > > Matthias From ???@??? Mon Jun 02 21:59:08 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 2 20:31:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYkJO-0005D5-00; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 20:31:06 -0700 Message-Id: <9706028653.AA865308321@ns.faulkcomp.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.0 Date: Mon, 02 Jun 97 22:22:48 -0600 From: "mmason" To: Subject: Dork has more to say MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mm83dB.A.vVE.D54kz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/97 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 20:31:06 -0700 X-UIDL: d1036ace9ac20ba4636f4efcebd390aa Greetings say I, named Boris or Jay I've got a Fender Musicmaster Bass amp, a 12 watt tube amp from 1978. She sounds decent, but she makes a CRAPLOAD of noise. Any of you techno-smart loopin folks know any ways I could quiet her down? Thanks fer the help mmason@faulkcomp.com From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 09:48:41 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 01:27:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYovj-00046h-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 01:26:59 -0700 Message-Id: <443.199706030824@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:24:29 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Bob's steroidal JamMan implant Resent-Message-ID: <"Pcl9qD.A.vvD.PT9kz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/99 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 01:26:59 -0700 X-UIDL: 97f5a697706a2b551a03db51f1a4ebfc Bob, I've lost your address so this is going to the list.... One thing I'm not sure about - I understand there'll be page panning - but will there be actual stereo looping? I've given this whole PC-thing some thought, and if it's possible to select pages from MIDI, and the beast has stereo looping a more memory (there's tons more 4Mx4bit ZIPs about than 1Mx4bit...) that's all the extra functionality I need.... though of course I'm grateful for anything this update does! Jeez, I'm just about to order new ZIPs (for $5 each at closeout!!) and the prospect of 32 secs is daunting enough!! You said before that there was a whole load of processing power unused ... how about building a Vortex into it? (joke) You also said the Vortex design team weren't planning a MIDI upgrade for this most essential peice of kit. Can they be persuaded...? In hope, Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 09:48:42 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 01:39:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYp7b-0004Vp-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 01:39:15 -0700 Message-Id: <941.199706030836@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:36:36 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Re: Sustain Resent-Message-ID: <"PJB1P.A.GGE.qe9kz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 01:39:15 -0700 X-UIDL: 32468ffe014fc8e58d993cbc50e2f4d1 Matthias: >Sure I tried it, years ago. There are problems I did not have the patience >to solve: > >1 To keep the correct phase for any note is not easy. I'd thought of using the middle pickup purely as a sensor for the sustainer (which prob'ly won't work - see below.), which is nearer the driver (neck p'u) and less likely to have phase problems. However, the root marmonic should always be in phase over all pickups (by definition) - it's the extent to which the signal is dominated by the upper harmonics what's the problem, which is why I thought it would be better to use the mid p'u. the bridge p'u is all harmonics, which is probably not ideal. >2 To drive, you need power. Yes, since the magnetic field is related to the current flowing in the coil (Lenz' law? Jeez, I should know this - I tutor it!). So a high-current signal needs low-impedance pickups, which is why the Fernandez needs two PP3s. >3 The driver tends to feed back directly to the pickup. To avoid it, you >need to limit its energy, make it more effective through filtering or build >it in a specific way so it does not stray the magnetic field. This is probably why the middle pickup is disengaged on the Fernandez when the Sustainer is engaged. >But... go ahead and find out! Learn the hard way, eh? Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 09:48:49 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 08:06:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYvA1-00020h-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:06:09 -0700 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 04:21:05 -0500 From: John Pollock Subject: Re: Dork has more to say To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: mmason@faulkcomp.com Reply-to: johnpollock@delphi.com Message-id: <3393E201.4815@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <9706028653.AA865308321@ns.faulkcomp.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"vO0rxB.A.vjB.cHDlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:06:09 -0700 X-UIDL: 6cb1c49cad9fd3c0ecef8e86a244b22d mmason wrote, in part: > I've got a Fender Musicmaster Bass amp, a 12 watt tube amp from 1978. That's one of my Holy Grails! :-0 > She sounds decent, but she makes a CRAPLOAD of noise. > > Any of you techno-smart loopin folks know any ways I could quiet her > down? Sure. Pull the power plug. ;-) Two serious suggestions: 1. Verify that the noise is generated in the amp, and not something upstream in the signal chain. If the noise is gone with nothing plugged into the input, the amp most likely isn't the problem. 2. If it is the amp, check out alt.guitar.amps on Usenet. There are many gurus, mavens and wizards there whose greatest joy is answering this kind of question. Good luck! -- John Pollock mailto:johnpollock@delphi.com http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock (Troubador Tech) From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 09:48:55 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 09:01:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYw16-0005Sx-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:01:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199706031559.IAA24690@scv3.apple.com> Subject: Re: Sustain Date: Tue, 3 Jun 97 10:58:09 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"Y-YHF.A.Z4E.i7Dlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:01:00 -0700 X-UIDL: 45d510c2582530f089b9223ab7e8c2cf >I'd thought of using the middle pickup purely as a sensor for the sustainer >(which prob'ly won't work - see below.), which is nearer the driver (neck >p'u) and less likely to have phase problems. However, the root marmonic >should always be in phase over all pickups (by definition) - it's the >extent to which the signal is dominated by the upper harmonics what's the >problem, which is why I thought it would be better to use the mid p'u. the >bridge p'u is all harmonics, which is probably not ideal. The new Sustainiac does use the middle pickup, not the neck, as in the old design. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 09:48:46 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 06:04:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYtGK-000430-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 06:04:32 -0700 Message-ID: <339423DE.20C5@bway.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 09:02:09 -0500 From: David Myers X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: 2 Lexicon Vortexes FS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-Yh2CC.A.HpD.BXBlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 06:04:32 -0700 X-UIDL: 0642f8f7f059f1eb2b9e9efd72d4daa5 Have 2 Vortexes for sale. A few months old, perfect, never left home! $199 each. In NYC, (212) 989-5260 or dmgraph@bway.net From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 09:48:52 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 08:28:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYvVD-0003HH-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:28:03 -0700 Date: 03 Jun 97 11:20:53 EDT From: To: Subject: Transduced bowed vibratories and the EP noise gater-thingy Message-ID: <970603152053_702420.204300_BHD41-34@CompuServe.COM> Resent-Message-ID: <"lBJWc.A.z0C.ecDlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:28:03 -0700 X-UIDL: 2a790ce646f748f22fc9a8718a046f3d Just had to add my US$0.02 (I loop 'cello with EP): >Besides, if you use a bridge pick-up, (underwood, wilson, >barbera etc. ) most high frequencies in amplified bowed bass sounds are >artifacts of the pick-up (and are pretty obnoxious). This is less true with >small mic. pick-ups that would get some of the resonation of the "box." I >have an EQ setting that rolls off the highs when I bow anyway. True: most high freq.s from a bridge transducer are squawky and difficult to manage. My latest trick is DAMPING as much resonance as possible, with foam cores stuffed into the f-holes. Great big hollow instrument bodies (think many many times larger than BB King's) do not enjoy sitting in the same space as their amplified looped selves. Recommended for any looping "traditional" string player (or any electrified app.)...block body resonance. Sounds terrible unplugged, but all you want that transducer to feel is the string vibe, not the body buzz. >Don't get me wrong, the echoplex works GREAT for everything but the bow. >If the input gate setting becomes an option in an update Im sure this would >be fine too. >I agree that the 'rang is not the choice for high-quality studio recording >or if you are using a really full-range amplification system. Then maybe get >the 'plex and try to compress the signal a bit before the input. Two other good points. I have not had much problem bowing through the EP. Sometimes the gate gets out of hand unexpectedly, "oranges me", and I sit there (pissed) listening to the digiclip static in the middle of a killer loop. But, life happens. 1) If you're using a transducer, by all means, try a battery-powered preamp. Makes your tinny and thin piezo-level signal into a fuller-bodied richer line-level signal. Like making it into an "active" guitar. 2) First (and sometimes last effect) should always be analog compression. This eliminates 95% of unpredictable EP NoiseGateGuy(tm) behavior. I found an inexpensive solution to this problem in a used dbx 163X 1/2-rackspace over easy compresser/limiter. One level set, a slider for controlling it, and you're go. >>You may want to consider that bowed strings have a very wide frequency >>bandwidth. (I've measured them going well beyond human hearing range, >>actually) The Boomerang's bandwidth is quite a bit lower than most other >>delay units, but you should give it a try to see whether that's a problem >>for you or not. This is what sealed the deal on the EP...S/N ratio and dynamic range of its digital audio is far superior to JamMan or 'Rang. Not critical for most guitar/amp combos (I see the 'Rang as more or less a stomp box for guitar/bass applications) but certainly preferred for looping voices, pianos, "found" sounds, keyboards, etc. EP is _crisp_. --Russell From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 09:48:53 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 08:47:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYvnY-0004T0-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:47:00 -0700 Message-Id: <12031.199706031541@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:41:30 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Low-impedance pickups (was: Sustain) Resent-Message-ID: <"KGKzYD.A.Q3D.mtDlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:47:00 -0700 X-UIDL: 8f86c56db54a7e1af445bd4706c72fd1 >2 To drive, you need power. Either a higher tension than battery or a low >impedance pickup (DIY?). I've just been trying to read up about low-impedance pickups, but information is scarce. I'm presuming fewer turns of thicker wire are used - hi-Z pickups use about 6000 turns of 40SWG wire. Anybody got any ideas? (I'm assuming they've been off the market since Gibson dropped 'em in the 70s) Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 09:48:56 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 09:06:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYw6i-0005uM-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:06:48 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970603090101.00570320@mail.well.com> X-Sender: dog@mail.well.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 09:01:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: dan mcmullen Subject: ob echoplex dp - where to buy? us$$$? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"xgIPnD.A.vKF.d_Dlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:06:48 -0700 X-UIDL: 289b733aaa206d6a4696ed91a6ef5c22 hello. i'm new to the list & am just beginning to explore looping, though i've followed its use in recordings for quite a while. can anyone recommend good places to purchase the echoplex + foot controller in the US? what are street prices that folks have paid recently? do current units include the new firmware, or how long til that's available? i will summarize responses to the list if there's interest. thanks, dan ___ dan mcmullen don't worry - pay attention dog@well.com 415.681-0712 pgp public key id = 0A25C54D (finger dog@well.com for current key) fingerprint = E4 F9 24 00 8C 1F 69 48 3B 09 C4 9A 09 59 43 0E From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 10:42:56 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 10:20:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYxFX-0002iz-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:19:59 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:09:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Echoplex and The Outdoors Resent-Message-ID: <"YxnGiB.A.bQC.pEFlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:19:59 -0700 X-UIDL: 2979b769070702e2391a91f3d9abb27c >Hello folks. >Friday I was playing an outdoor show in Boston. Temperature in the high >50's / low 60's. Coolish. Maybe a little humidity? Good breeze going. > i have 107 seconds om memory. I was merrily looping and I hit the >OVERDUB button and the loop craps out a la Thermal Problem & UNDO >probem. I have left the space above my Obie empty to help w/cooling.... >The rest of the evening went great and fun was had by all... > >Have others experienced this, or am I uniquely gifted? > >David Did you do the little mod that is explained on the web site? You need to clip a pin off one of the ic's in the plex, and the thermal problems will go away. (pin 5, U12) There is even a nice little picture there showing how to do it. Newer units should have this done at the factory before they ship. Sorry, I guess that one was my fault. My punishment is to explain how to fix it for the rest of my life...:-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 10:42:57 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 10:25:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYxLA-0003HN-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:25:48 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:19:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Forlano1@aol.com Message-ID: <970603131902_-1028066705@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: stickwire-1@netcom.com, loopers-delight@annihilist.com, PhiBa-improv@wnur.nwu.edu Subject: re: "Electronic music Friday 7th" Resent-Message-ID: <"jjgu4B.A.QmC.gJFlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 10:25:48 -0700 X-UIDL: b3921f9f0baa4f5d3caae75619fa56cf PHILADELPHIA AMBIENT GADGET CLUSTERS 3 Friday 7th, 8:30 pm 3rd street Gallery, Philadelphia (located on 2nd street near Market st.) * An evening of improvised electronic sounds and rhythms. * Music by Charles Cohen (Buchla Music Easel) for more info: David Forlano (Samplers and electronics) e-mail: forlano1@aol.com Sean O'Donnell (Sampler and electronics) phone: 215-739-0609 John Deterich (electronics and guitar) *With an interactive video installation by Jeff Warring, David Forlano and John Van Zant* From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:24:45 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 17:12:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZ3gV-0004yP-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:12:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199706032301.QAA22130@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Zoom 508 delay Date: Tue, 3 Jun 97 18:01:03 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"yOOVNB.A.SFE.PGLlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:12:15 -0700 X-UIDL: bba3aff85271bc234e5666d10f5a8222 For anyone looking to get into looping cheaply, I'd recommend the Zoom 508. It's a programmable delay pedal with 4 seconds of delay time. Stereo out, six banks of four patches, tap-tempo, built-in tuner, programmable high-frequency damping, delay spillover when switching patches, it's got a ton of features for about $135 street price. I bought one for a small looping setup, so that I don't need to break out my rack whenever I want to loop, and I've been very pleased with the sound. From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:24:59 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 22:01:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYycH-0001dz-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:47:33 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:34:28 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Sample rate conversion Resent-Message-ID: <"3liWWD.A.6U.iSGlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:47:33 -0700 X-UIDL: b843fdcf242f0a18b1a0f7bf5070c424 Somebody was asking about sample rate conversion? Did you find a solution? Hope this helps. I did not try yet. >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:13:33 -0800 >From: Jon Christopher Nelson >To: Multiple recipients of list >X-Comment: The SoundHack mailing list > >GrainMaker 2.0, a soundfile granulation Csound score generator >programmed in MAX, is now available at the following ftp sites: > >ftp://ftp.ircam.fr/pub/incoming/max-patches/ >ftp://serial.music.uiowa.edu/pub/upload/ > >GrainMaker 2.0 includes the following new features: >1) can transpose soundfiles (including random transposition per > grain) >2) writes score files directly to the hard drive (no more crashing > with the text objects) >3) is a stand-alone app (FAT--runs on 68k or PPC) > a) GrainMaker 2.0 with picts shows grain envelopes as they are > selected > b) GrainMaker 2.0 (no picts) requires less memory > >Enjoy! >Jon > >Jon Christopher Nelson, Director >CEMI (Center for Experimental Music and Intermedia) >University of North Texas College of Music >P.O. Box 13887 >Denton, TX 76203 >USA > >ph. (817) 565-4926 >fax (817) 565-2002 >jnelson@sndart.cemi.unt.edu >http://www.music.unt.edu/comp/jnelson.htm > From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:25:02 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 22:36:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYycF-0001di-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:47:32 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:34:42 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: wake up! Resent-Message-ID: <"EDUsMB.A.NW.pSGlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:47:32 -0700 X-UIDL: 73ca65d711a1226ff80aa0c4d5a2e5a8 >Matthias Grob wrote: >> Yes, it does not need to be MIDI. BrotherSync is better for looping, and if >> we can expand it to "NephewSync" for a Sob-Plex joint... Motley answered > There's a thought: be compatible with the Plex sync. I guess if two of >us were doing it, it would constitute a standard. ...and we write all this under the subject "wake up!" The idea of the brother sync is that all machines slow down to meet the speed of the slowest. Problem is that it depends on sample clock and we will have a hard time to constitute 41k as a standard :-( Its what comes out if you divide the 16M clock to meet MIDI standard and some clock around 40k - at least its handy. Lets keep it in mind... Matthias By the way: how do you want us to call you? Mr. Nelson? Mike? Mikell? Motley? From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:25:03 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 22:47:06 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYycR-0001fP-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:47:43 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:34:48 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: strings and springs Resent-Message-ID: <"w47k1C.A.EX.ySGlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:47:43 -0700 X-UIDL: ed30a7abdb8853b493dde4d675151b57 >One of the sometimes collaborateurs, Ellen Fullman, designs and builds these >super-length string installation instruments, played by walking the >80-foot plus >strings with rosened fingers...as incredible to see as to hear, beautifully >sustained, loopish sonorities played in stately rituals. In switzerland I was living with two crazy percussionist making such instruments. Is it the trick of the combination of a spring with a string you are talking about, too? The amazing thing was, that the two guys started to build the instruments independently, one calles them "wolf" and the other "whale", one started with springs and finally added a string to activate it, while the other started with strings and ended up using a spring to alter the sound, and when they happened to live in the same comunity by accident they felt like competitors! When we all had to move out, they moved to the same place, so I hope this laboratory goes on... The interaction and travel of waves between a string and a spring is probably a very complex physical problem, the sounds that come out are impossible to discribe. For amplification they used drum skins and strange objects. Sometimes the strings went diagonally through the house and when they had a gig, they went out early with stairs to install the things... Matthias From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:24:09 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 11:49:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYydC-0001ld-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:48:30 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:34:53 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Looping in London Resent-Message-ID: <"8lmSiD.A.yb.OTGlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:48:30 -0700 X-UIDL: 8d6ed5641d562ae517af496ef4ac09cc >>>Just a brief note to say I will be adopting a solo loopist stance on April >>>10th at the the Clock Tower in Croydon, London (UK) from 1pm till 2pm (lunch >>>time) > >Another UK looper! Does that make, oh, about 3 of us? There are at least another two: Antonio Forcione and his friend bought LOOP delays in '93 The phone then was 081 995 7613 From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:24:11 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 11:50:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYyeW-0001wU-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:49:52 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:34:58 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: go forth and multiply Resent-Message-ID: <"k4UTP.A.Ka.FTGlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:49:52 -0700 X-UIDL: 0a88811f80016246230237f4557e24cb Kem McNair asked, probably never getting a reply: >In the Echoplex manual there is a mention of how to add to or remove loops >that >have been multiplied. Can't seem to figure it out. Can you explain how to >remove multi 3 of a loop multiplied 3 times and then how to add a different >multi 3 back to that same loop, Multi by 2 and insert 1 Or use Replace during the third cycle. ... if I understood the question correctly. >and does "next loop" command work to change >to the next multi.of say a loop with 3 multi. You mean the NextMulti command ? I did not understand. Matthias From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:25:01 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 22:32:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYydq-0001rG-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:49:10 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:35:03 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Cellists / Eberhard Weber Resent-Message-ID: <"oFavY.A.Qh.uTGlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:49:10 -0700 X-UIDL: 2fd907acb9cf2862fd1e215c0eee3c2f >It is kind of funny- most cellists don't seem to have a very eclectic >aestetic. Tough to get them into the rock/punk/folk/loop thing. In >fact, it seems to be pretty hard to get anyone in to it... :) I just came back from Rio where I recuperated a CD called "Amber" by David Darling and Michael Johnes, made in 1987 (Narada ND-61014). I loved it then and love it again. And it shows a very subtle and "accoustic" way loops can be used on a cello. I remember Electric Light Orchestra with two Cellist running around stage. I thought it was ridiculous. Cello is too fine for many music styles. It seams to change the head of its player, too. It does not only make his hair fall out ;-) but tunes the ear, probably due to the close neck and the rich overtone spectrum that opens to higher things - nothing aproved, just an observation of mine. I got a nice letter from Eberhard Weber theses days (he found a used Plex), answered it carfully and was rewarded with his CD "Pendulum" (ECM 1518, '93). He plays his upright bass only and creates lots of loops with bass, percussive sounds, high pitch melodies, with or without arc - a whole orchestra out of one instrument, and *very* pleasant music, somewhere between Jazz, Classic and New Age! Matthias From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:24:09 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 11:49:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYydJ-0001mN-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:48:37 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:35:14 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: RealTime (was: Bill Frisell looping device) Resent-Message-ID: <"fOaXtB.A.Ag.lTGlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:48:37 -0700 X-UIDL: 02c39bb01d5956f3f62e5bf40728204e >I do this all the time with my Digitech RDS-8000 and RDS 1900. I hate these >new fangled, steenkeeng menu-driven hunk-o-crap interfaces! When will the >manufacturers get it? Realtime, realtime, realtime! Knobs, knobs, knobs!!! I am fully with you. I discovered a way to call over 30 functions directly with just 7 keys. Unfortunatly, the digital machines do not allow simple sample rate change with a knob to allow the pitch/speed change. But please consider that taping of the first recording is much more "realtime" that any knob could be! Also, my intention was not to "pervert guitar loops" but to allow instant creating of complex and rhythmically usefull long background patterns out of clean original sounds from any instrument. Thats why I never liked the name ECHOPLEX for this unit, its really different from the old idea. Matthias From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:25:04 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 22:49:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYydq-0001qy-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:49:10 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:35:19 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: RE: Sitar-like effect, by accident Resent-Message-ID: <"LdUgM.A.Hm.KUGlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:49:10 -0700 X-UIDL: 0c298436866c362d59a58ee5e1a35bfa >Also still an interesting device: the good old screwdriver. I've been using >my screwdriver for many years now. How about a Bleistift (graphite pen?) with a rubber piece at the end? It alows very quick and soft percussion sounds, somewhat reminding of the "Zither" or "Hackbrett", those stringed boards, played with two hammers. I know its a trivial thing, but I have never seen anyone doing it and liked it when I discovered it - on the accoustic guitar, actually. Matthias From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:24:10 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 11:49:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYyd4-0001kh-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:48:22 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:35:23 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Sustainers and pickups Resent-Message-ID: <"xoIQx.A.Di.xTGlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:48:22 -0700 X-UIDL: 131b953c36f6ee30d35cfdeca8aebec5 james said >> The GK-2A pickup sends an ANALOG signal. it is in fact a >> hexaphonic humbucking magnetic pickup. > >neat, i didn't know that! i have a gr-1 and associated gk-2 that i've kind >of gotten bored of, but now i'm getting new strange ideas... > >has anyone tried or considered making an adapter to send those six outputs >to a mixer and panning them in the stereo field, or sending each string to >a different effect? it simply throttles the imagination... time to dust >off the ol' soldering iron! Unfortunately the sound of the magnetic PU so close to the bridge is no good, and the separation of the strings is not very good either. But with piezo PU, its interesting. You might not want to ocupy a whole mixer though, and the most interesting is distorting and octaving of each string. PARADIS offered those features during 10 years. Now its closed and Rolf is happy to finally earn some money as a van driver... Matthias From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:24:08 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 11:49:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYycn-0001hm-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:48:05 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:35:28 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Sustainers and pickups Resent-Message-ID: <"UC2JAD.A.ii.1TGlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:48:05 -0700 X-UIDL: 82702d50b472b9140c4e3ceee336cfa7 >> >>A common use is hexaphonic distortion. If you distort each string >>individually and then mix it together, you don't get the inter-modulation >>distortion that you get with a normal guitar plugged into a fuzz box. This >>basically means that you can play distortion chords without the extreme >>muddiness you usually get. >> >I'd always been fascinated by this idea, but I thought you needed a >sepearate speaker for each string. Can you just distort each string >seperately and then combine it back into one speaker? Oh, yes, I do it every day :-) Matthias From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:24:11 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 11:50:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYyeg-0001xb-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:50:02 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:35:33 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Ravel as a looper Resent-Message-ID: <"Mrds2B.A.Jr.qUGlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:50:02 -0700 X-UIDL: 877d155a742e34fcc9201b291ee112a2 Hayden Porter wrote a fundamental thing very well: >It seems to me that all good composition is >the proper balance of repetition and variety. Repetition is necessary for >consistency and variety is necessary to intrest the audience. The amount of >repetition or variety is a matter of personal taste. ... and the purpose (aplication field) of the music - I might add. (here was a lot more very interestin "Rambling" as he called it...) >-What do you consider to be the your most effective compositional >technique(s) when creating live looped music that relies on technology to >produce the loops? Short loops to create expectations / tension (film music!) Longer loops to create ostinatos or ondulating background carpets. Long loops to lay back and doodle away in peace. From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:24:20 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 12:07:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYyvw-0003nP-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:07:52 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:02:56 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Echoplex and The Outdoors Resent-Message-ID: <"GL63UC.A.-HD.spGlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:07:52 -0700 X-UIDL: a0dd5fb1871999652c62b364188a4137 >Did you do the little mod that is explained on the web site? You need to >clip a pin off one of the ic's in the plex, and the thermal problems will >go away. (pin 5, U12) There is even a nice little picture there showing >how to do it. Newer units should have this done at the factory before they >ship. > >Sorry, I guess that one was my fault. My punishment is to explain how to >fix it for the rest of my life...:-) > >kim Don't complain! You were guided enough to invent an error that can be simply fixed by cliping off a pin! ;-) From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:24:24 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 12:50:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYzb4-0006dZ-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:50:22 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:53:26 -0400 From: cwb@platinum.com (Clark) Message-Id: <199706031953.PAA06438@octopus.ab.platinum.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sustain X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"DKbm6C.A.10F.ESHlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:50:22 -0700 X-UIDL: c51dff92f9d455fd8ba3c9ce16f9be8e I dissected an ebow once and i have the schematic for it. The only thing missing is the op-amp type (it may even be a dual op amp!) and the coil specs. The lead wires to the coils broke easily when pried from the embedding epoxy rendering them untestable. However, they were constructed in such a manner that would shape the magnetic field. Buying multiple ebows for mounting in a guitar would not work since the epoxied circuitboard is about 2"x1". Theres no way to mount them all next to each other. I am VERY interested in making multiple drivers for a new ergonomic touchstyle instrument i have designed and prototyped. Anyone with electronics skills who is serious about making this a reality please contact me. Clark Battle BattleAxe From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:24:29 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 13:50:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZ0XV-0003IL-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:50:45 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: 'Kim Flint' , "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Echoplex and The Outdoors Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:51:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"B3lxS.A.ewC.ZLIlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:50:45 -0700 X-UIDL: 6ac42cf85c82eaa2159c5764e47a0687 No -- I've not doen the mod to clip the little pin. I don't have the tools at home and I've just gotten by w/out the UNDO feature after the first 30 minutes when things get warm. However, it couldn't have been more than 55 degrees out with a strong breeze going. _Plenty_ of ventalation..... I was quite surprized it did what it did from pressing the OVERDUB button , as I've NEVER experienced that in the almost year I've been a happy little looper. I thought it may have been something else to do with the dampness of the evening... David >-----Original Message----- >From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@annihilist.com] >Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 1997 1:10 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Echoplex and The Outdoors > >>Hello folks. >>Friday I was playing an outdoor show in Boston. Temperature in the high >>50's / low 60's. Coolish. Maybe a little humidity? Good breeze going. >> i have 107 seconds om memory. I was merrily looping and I hit the >>OVERDUB button and the loop craps out a la Thermal Problem & UNDO >>probem. I have left the space above my Obie empty to help w/cooling.... >>The rest of the evening went great and fun was had by all... >> >>Have others experienced this, or am I uniquely gifted? >> >>David > >Did you do the little mod that is explained on the web site? You need to >clip a pin off one of the ic's in the plex, and the thermal problems will >go away. (pin 5, U12) There is even a nice little picture there showing >how to do it. Newer units should have this done at the factory before they >ship. > >Sorry, I guess that one was my fault. My punishment is to explain how to >fix it for the rest of my life...:-) > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:24:27 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 13:47:21 1997 Received: from mail.exapps.com [206.243.128.7] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZ0U8-0002s8-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 13:47:16 -0700 Received: by mail.exapps.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BC703E.602211A0@mail.exapps.com>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:51:26 -0400 Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: 'Kim Flint' , "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Echoplex and The Outdoors Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:51:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UIDL: b8de8961b3d1bf8ebe3595b0410ab06b No -- I've not doen the mod to clip the little pin. I don't have the tools at home and I've just gotten by w/out the UNDO feature after the first 30 minutes when things get warm. However, it couldn't have been more than 55 degrees out with a strong breeze going. _Plenty_ of ventalation..... I was quite surprized it did what it did from pressing the OVERDUB button , as I've NEVER experienced that in the almost year I've been a happy little looper. I thought it may have been something else to do with the dampness of the evening... David >-----Original Message----- >From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@annihilist.com] >Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 1997 1:10 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Subject: Re: Echoplex and The Outdoors > >>Hello folks. >>Friday I was playing an outdoor show in Boston. Temperature in the high >>50's / low 60's. Coolish. Maybe a little humidity? Good breeze going. >> i have 107 seconds om memory. I was merrily looping and I hit the >>OVERDUB button and the loop craps out a la Thermal Problem & UNDO >>probem. I have left the space above my Obie empty to help w/cooling.... >>The rest of the evening went great and fun was had by all... >> >>Have others experienced this, or am I uniquely gifted? >> >>David > >Did you do the little mod that is explained on the web site? You need to >clip a pin off one of the ic's in the plex, and the thermal problems will >go away. (pin 5, U12) There is even a nice little picture there showing >how to do it. Newer units should have this done at the factory before they >ship. > >Sorry, I guess that one was my fault. My punishment is to explain how to >fix it for the rest of my life...:-) > >kim > >______________________________________________________________________ >Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:24:45 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 17:04:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZ3Z0-00048a-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:04:30 -0700 From: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:44:13 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706031744_MC2-17B7-F2B0@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"CzvVYC.A.MuC.C4Klz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:04:30 -0700 X-UIDL: 9727618f05cb6b7c375a37fb0bb29f54 Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: Looping in London Report Generation Time: 06/03/97 21:43:43 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:24:43 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 16:46:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZ3F1-00028N-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:43:51 -0700 From: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:44:17 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706031744_MC2-17B7-F2BA@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"ywDv3B.A.JS.mgKlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:43:51 -0700 X-UIDL: 6491b3ac29458b2244b0f20269fdca67 Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: Cellists / Eberhard Weber Report Generation Time: 06/03/97 21:44:15 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:24:42 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 16:43:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZ3EW-00025A-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:43:20 -0700 From: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:44:18 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706031744_MC2-17B7-F2BC@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"I5dkDC.A.IW.BhKlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:43:20 -0700 X-UIDL: bda74096a1c92b9801e437829ebd4981 Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: Echoplex and The Outdoors Report Generation Time: 06/03/97 21:44:15 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:24:42 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 16:43:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZ3Ek-00026M-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:43:34 -0700 From: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:44:18 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706031744_MC2-17B7-F2BB@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"s6Xd4D.A.-T.vgKlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:43:34 -0700 X-UIDL: d3ca4df6bbfee7099591c3ee9c6641f7 Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: Echoplex and The Outdoors Report Generation Time: 06/03/97 21:44:16 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:24:44 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 17:04:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZ3Yk-000473-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:04:14 -0700 From: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:44:19 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706031744_MC2-17B7-F2BE@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"1Afj1D.A.NlC.o2Klz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:04:14 -0700 X-UIDL: 8dfa2ab3abdd38725cc702aa888ad688 Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: go forth and multiply Report Generation Time: 06/03/97 21:44:17 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:24:48 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 17:20:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZ3ot-0005p6-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:20:55 -0700 From: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:44:19 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706031744_MC2-17B7-F2BD@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"g8C1TC.A.ZHF.RQLlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:20:55 -0700 X-UIDL: bc57ab0b19b25af4961b10e4f45fcf20 Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: go forth and multiply Report Generation Time: 06/03/97 21:44:17 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:24:52 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 18:25:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZ4pX-0002G2-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:25:39 -0700 Date: 03 Jun 97 17:46:26 EDT From: To: Subject: Re[2]: Dork has more to say Message-ID: <970603214626_702420.204300_BHD41-61@CompuServe.COM> Resent-Message-ID: <"AA7uFD.A.IvB.dLMlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:25:39 -0700 X-UIDL: e2781b5fe67fdcd295144396d41a2705 >mmason wrote, in part: >> I've got a Fender Musicmaster Bass amp, a 12 watt tube amp from 1978. John Pollock suggested: >That's one of my Holy Grails! :-0 Exactly! Who wouldn't want to sound like Bernard Paganotti, circa "De Futura"? >> She sounds decent, but she makes a CRAPLOAD of noise. >> >> Any of you techno-smart loopin folks know any ways I could quiet her >> down? >Sure. Pull the power plug. ;-) No way. Make it NOISIER. Try a distortion pedal. Here's a tip: listen to King Crimson's "Red" or Magma's "Udu Wudu" or anything by current Swedish band Anekdoten. You'll want yer bass to sound fuzzier and blattier than ever! I have two SWR amps with Bag End extension cabs, and a bandmate has an Ampeg B2 head/Isovent cab stack. With all that killer bass (or guitar) gear, what do I reach for when I'm ready to lay down the signature bass lines? The Star*Ter 10W paper-cone 8" amp (solid state with so much overdrive you can't even hear the fundamental) or my Roland Spirit 10 (with maybe a Big Muff Pi pedal). There's no shame in gear that others would deem "crappy." If it's really noisy and you need to play quiet/dynamic passages or use it for a "straight" performance, yeah, you can try to get the hum out. But if it's a "good" hum, leave it, I say! --Russell From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:24:39 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 16:34:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZ34a-000154-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:33:05 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.compuserve.com Tue Jun 03 16:31:15 1997 Received: from arl-img-9.compuserve.com [149.174.217.139] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZ31o-000081-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:30:12 -0700 Received: by arl-img-9.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id RAA29633; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:44:30 -0400 From: Old-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:44:15 -0400 Subject: Message not deliverable To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706031744_MC2-17B7-F2B5@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0d7964d4-dc59-11d0-b412-00805feae8d8" X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:33:05 -0700 X-UIDL: af494e10ae413eadfd68f2cd49968fce ----------------------------------- Forwarded ---------------------------------- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at CSERVE Date: Tue Jun 03 15:05:03 1997 To: Russell Gorton at CreatSvc-Ada Subject: Re: Echoplex and The Outdoors -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by dub-img-8.com puserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id PAA10474; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:04:46 -0400 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYyss-0003V2-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:04:42 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:02:56 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Echoplex and The Outdoors Resent-Message-ID: <"GL63UC.A.-HD.spGlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Russell_Gorton@creatsvc-ada.ccmail.compuserve.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:04:42 -0700 >Did you do the little mod that is explained on the web site? You need to >clip a pin off one of the ic's in the plex, and the thermal problems will >go away. (pin 5, U12) There is even a nice little picture there showing >how to do it. Newer units should have this done at the factory before they >ship. > >Sorry, I guess that one was my fault. My punishment is to explain how to >fix it for the rest of my life...:-) > >kim Don't complain! You were guided enough to invent an error that can be simply fixed by cliping off a pin! ;-) From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:24:43 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 16:51:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZ3LU-0002oO-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:50:32 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.compuserve.com Tue Jun 03 16:49:28 1997 Received: from arl-img-3.compuserve.com [149.174.217.133] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZ3K7-0002YV-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:49:07 -0700 Received: by arl-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id RAA13395; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:44:30 -0400 From: Old-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:44:15 -0400 Subject: Message not deliverable To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706031744_MC2-17B7-F2B4@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="1aae2975-dc59-11d0-b412-00805feae8d8" X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:50:32 -0700 X-UIDL: ac68749f5a448ed3ba30661d75b065c1 ----------------------------------- Forwarded ---------------------------------- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at CSERVE Date: Tue Jun 03 15:05:03 1997 To: Russell Gorton at CreatSvc-Ada Subject: Re: Echoplex and The Outdoors -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by dub-img-8.com puserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id PAA10474; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:04:46 -0400 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYyss-0003V2-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:04:42 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:02:56 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Echoplex and The Outdoors Resent-Message-ID: <"GL63UC.A.-HD.spGlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Russell_Gorton@creatsvc-ada.ccmail.compuserve.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 12:04:42 -0700 >Did you do the little mod that is explained on the web site? You need to >clip a pin off one of the ic's in the plex, and the thermal problems will >go away. (pin 5, U12) There is even a nice little picture there showing >how to do it. Newer units should have this done at the factory before they >ship. > >Sorry, I guess that one was my fault. My punishment is to explain how to >fix it for the rest of my life...:-) > >kim Don't complain! You were guided enough to invent an error that can be simply fixed by cliping off a pin! ;-) From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:24:46 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 17:19:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZ3nl-0005hg-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:19:45 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.compuserve.com Tue Jun 03 17:19:43 1997 Received: from dub-img-10.compuserve.com [149.174.206.140] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZ3ni-0005JR-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:19:42 -0700 Received: by dub-img-10.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id RAA26881; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:44:33 -0400 From: Old-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:44:16 -0400 Subject: Message not deliverable To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706031744_MC2-17B7-F2B8@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="1aae2978-dc59-11d0-b412-00805feae8d8" X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:19:45 -0700 X-UIDL: e9aae0faffac9bff6617014502de69b2 ----------------------------------- Forwarded ---------------------------------- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at CSERVE Date: Tue Jun 03 14:42:18 1997 To: Russell Gorton at CreatSvc-Ada Subject: Re: go forth and multiply -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by hil-img-1.com puserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id OAA04500; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:41:58 -0400 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYyWW-0000tN-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:41:36 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:34:58 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: go forth and multiply Resent-Message-ID: <"k4UTP.A.Ka.FTGlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Russell_Gorton@creatsvc-ada.ccmail.compuserve.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:41:36 -0700 Kem McNair asked, probably never getting a reply: >In the Echoplex manual there is a mention of how to add to or remove loops >that >have been multiplied. Can't seem to figure it out. Can you explain how to >remove multi 3 of a loop multiplied 3 times and then how to add a different >multi 3 back to that same loop, Multi by 2 and insert 1 Or use Replace during the third cycle. ... if I understood the question correctly. >and does "next loop" command work to change >to the next multi.of say a loop with 3 multi. You mean the NextMulti command ? I did not understand. Matthias From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:24:47 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 17:19:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZ3nr-0005ie-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:19:51 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.compuserve.com Tue Jun 03 17:19:48 1997 Received: from dub-img-10.compuserve.com [149.174.206.140] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZ3nn-0005JR-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:19:47 -0700 Received: by dub-img-10.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id RAA26873; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:44:32 -0400 From: Old-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:44:14 -0400 Subject: Message not deliverable To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706031744_MC2-17B7-F2B3@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="1aae296d-dc59-11d0-b412-00805feae8d8" X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:19:51 -0700 X-UIDL: 977b87a4df94e2efc4765dd4db418f89 ----------------------------------- Forwarded ---------------------------------- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at CSERVE Date: Tue Jun 03 14:42:01 1997 To: Russell Gorton at CreatSvc-Ada Subject: Re: Cellists / Eberhard Weber -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by hil-img-4.com puserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id OAA24682; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:41:51 -0400 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYyWY-0000tq-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:41:38 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:35:03 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Cellists / Eberhard Weber Resent-Message-ID: <"oFavY.A.Qh.uTGlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Russell_Gorton@creatsvc-ada.ccmail.compuserve.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:41:38 -0700 >It is kind of funny- most cellists don't seem to have a very eclectic >aestetic. Tough to get them into the rock/punk/folk/loop thing. In >fact, it seems to be pretty hard to get anyone in to it... :) I just came back from Rio where I recuperated a CD called "Amber" by David Darling and Michael Johnes, made in 1987 (Narada ND-61014). I loved it then and love it again. And it shows a very subtle and "accoustic" way loops can be used on a cello. I remember Electric Light Orchestra with two Cellist running around stage. I thought it was ridiculous. Cello is too fine for many music styles. It seams to change the head of its player, too. It does not only make his hair fall out ;-) but tunes the ear, probably due to the close neck and the rich overtone spectrum that opens to higher things - nothing aproved, just an observation of mine. I got a nice letter from Eberhard Weber theses days (he found a used Plex), answered it carfully and was rewarded with his CD "Pendulum" (ECM 1518, '93). He plays his upright bass only and creates lots of loops with bass, percussive sounds, high pitch melodies, with or without arc - a whole orchestra out of one instrument, and *very* pleasant music, somewhere between Jazz, Classic and New Age! Matthias From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:24:49 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 17:28:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZ3vj-0006O9-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:27:59 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.compuserve.com Tue Jun 03 17:27:56 1997 Received: from arl-img-9.compuserve.com [149.174.217.139] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZ31u-000081-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:30:18 -0700 Received: by arl-img-9.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id RAA29645; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:44:31 -0400 From: Old-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:44:15 -0400 Subject: Message not deliverable To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706031744_MC2-17B7-F2B6@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="1aae2972-dc59-11d0-b412-00805feae8d8" X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:27:59 -0700 X-UIDL: a48f80a1de7a3145c4b2b8606f76e45a ----------------------------------- Forwarded ---------------------------------- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at CSERVE Date: Tue Jun 03 14:42:18 1997 To: Russell Gorton at CreatSvc-Ada Subject: Re: go forth and multiply -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by hil-img-1.com puserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id OAA04500; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:41:58 -0400 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYyWW-0000tN-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:41:36 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:34:58 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: go forth and multiply Resent-Message-ID: <"k4UTP.A.Ka.FTGlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Russell_Gorton@creatsvc-ada.ccmail.compuserve.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:41:36 -0700 Kem McNair asked, probably never getting a reply: >In the Echoplex manual there is a mention of how to add to or remove loops >that >have been multiplied. Can't seem to figure it out. Can you explain how to >remove multi 3 of a loop multiplied 3 times and then how to add a different >multi 3 back to that same loop, Multi by 2 and insert 1 Or use Replace during the third cycle. ... if I understood the question correctly. >and does "next loop" command work to change >to the next multi.of say a loop with 3 multi. You mean the NextMulti command ? I did not understand. Matthias From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:24:50 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 18:13:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZ4dP-0001Mj-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:13:07 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.compuserve.com Tue Jun 03 18:13:05 1997 Received: from arl-img-4.compuserve.com [149.174.217.134] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZ4dM-0001I8-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:13:04 -0700 Received: by arl-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id RAA13152; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:45:28 -0400 From: Old-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:43:42 -0400 Subject: Message not deliverable To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706031743_MC2-17A9-5C37@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="6b7e30ed-dc5a-11d0-afca-00805fbe60fa" X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:13:07 -0700 X-UIDL: fdbc4bacfa9cf8bfdd30283b22b1eddf ----------------------------------- Forwarded ---------------------------------- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at CSERVE Date: Tue Jun 03 14:42:03 1997 To: Russell Gorton at CreatSvc-Ada Subject: Re: Looping in London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by arl-img-5.com puserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id OAA20984; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 14:41:54 -0400 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wYyWY-0000to-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:41:38 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:34:53 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Looping in London Resent-Message-ID: <"8lmSiD.A.yb.OTGlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Russell_Gorton@creatsvc-ada.ccmail.compuserve.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 11:41:38 -0700 >>>Just a brief note to say I will be adopting a solo loopist stance on April >>>10th at the the Clock Tower in Croydon, London (UK) from 1pm till 2pm (lunch >>>time) > >Another UK looper! Does that make, oh, about 3 of us? There are at least another two: Antonio Forcione and his friend bought LOOP delays in '93 The phone then was 081 995 7613 From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:24:53 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 19:20:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZ5gn-0005jL-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:20:41 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:15:36 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: Zoom 508 delay Resent-Message-ID: <"bup77.A.fIF.aANlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 19:20:41 -0700 X-UIDL: f75291f5526db35f0fb55f8c1b3aaa2a You wrote: >For anyone looking to get into looping cheaply, I'd recommend the Zoom >508. It's a programmable delay pedal with 4 seconds of delay time. >Stereo out, six banks of four patches, tap-tempo, built-in tuner, >programmable high-frequency damping, delay spillover when switching >patches, it's got a ton of features for about $135 street price. I >bought one for a small looping setup, so that I don't need to break out >my rack whenever I want to loop, and I've been very pleased with the >sound. Yeah, this thing sounds pretty good (fairly clean, digital), but like just about every Zoom product we've ever seen, it's an ergonomic nightmare, plus they clip you more money for an additional foot pedal. The tuner is pretty ridiculous too. Best, The LoOpDoCtOrs From ???@??? Tue Jun 03 23:25:00 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 3 22:07:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZ8IN-0000e5-00; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 22:07:39 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 4 Jun 97 00:01 CDT From: "kim corbet" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: strings and springs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: POPmail 2.3b2 Resent-Message-ID: <"x3uL3B.A.gJ.7aPlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 22:07:39 -0700 X-UIDL: b5e6daf5cc72cdac056f79f516ebf29b > >One of the sometimes collaborateurs, Ellen Fullman, designs and builds these > >super-length string installation instruments > Is it the trick of the combination of a spring with a string > you are talking about, too? .....................I believe Ellen's instruments are a simple combination of strings and soundboard installation, an 80-foot deconstructed piano played with rosened fingers. She may have had contact mics on the soundboard to balance with other electronic sources. No springs I know of...I believe you can reach her through the Deep Listening website, if you're still curious. From ???@??? Wed Jun 04 09:40:56 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 4 00:34:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZAaJ-0001rE-00; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 00:34:19 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 23:54:22 -0700 To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Echoplex and The Outdoors Resent-Message-ID: <"e2b9f.A.iWB.AlRlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 00:34:19 -0700 X-UIDL: f139025cd06d508b9c10f530e7ec91d8 It's probably the same problem. Its the temperature inside that ic that really matters, the outside temperature may not be enough to cool it down. Clipping that pin fixes it. And remember, the ventilation you experience standing next to the rack may not be the same ventilation experienced inside the devices. A well placed fan is never a bad idea with music gear in the great outdoors. Sunshine on black metal can transfer a lot of heat inside those guys. A lot of parts might not fail immediately, but just die a slow steady death in the heat. kim At 4:51 PM -0400 6/3/97, David Kirkdorffer wrote: >No -- I've not doen the mod to clip the little pin. I don't have the >tools at home and I've just gotten by w/out the UNDO feature after the >first 30 minutes when things get warm. > >However, it couldn't have been more than 55 degrees out with a strong >breeze going. _Plenty_ of ventalation..... I was quite surprized it >did what it did from pressing the OVERDUB button , as I've NEVER >experienced that in the almost year I've been a happy little looper. > >I thought it may have been something else to do with the dampness of the >evening... > >David > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Kim Flint [SMTP:kflint@annihilist.com] >>Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 1997 1:10 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >>Subject: Re: Echoplex and The Outdoors >> >>>Hello folks. >>>Friday I was playing an outdoor show in Boston. Temperature in the high >>>50's / low 60's. Coolish. Maybe a little humidity? Good breeze going. >>> i have 107 seconds om memory. I was merrily looping and I hit the >>>OVERDUB button and the loop craps out a la Thermal Problem & UNDO >>>probem. I have left the space above my Obie empty to help w/cooling.... >>>The rest of the evening went great and fun was had by all... >>> >>>Have others experienced this, or am I uniquely gifted? >>> >>>David >> >>Did you do the little mod that is explained on the web site? You need to >>clip a pin off one of the ic's in the plex, and the thermal problems will >>go away. (pin 5, U12) There is even a nice little picture there showing >>how to do it. Newer units should have this done at the factory before they >>ship. >> >>Sorry, I guess that one was my fault. My punishment is to explain how to >>fix it for the rest of my life...:-) >> >>kim >> >>______________________________________________________________________ >>Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >>kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >>http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Jun 04 09:40:54 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 4 00:34:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZAa7-0001q3-00; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 00:34:08 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970603194250.009f3314@pop.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 00:09:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar Resent-Message-ID: <"uuQZqB.A.YXB.JlRlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 00:34:08 -0700 X-UIDL: 607e26437e8052a801a73a4b4aaa59d8 At 12:42 PM -0700 6/3/97, Sean Echevarria wrote: >At 10:39 AM 6/2/97 -0700, Kim wrote: >>Strummed acoustically it is >>quite loud, like a 335. The resonance chamber does that for you. >> > >Are there any other benefits to the chamber? Well, I'm hardly an expert on guitar design, but as I understand, resonant chambers can add a lot of sustain and harmonic content. I think that's what they do in the Kleins. I know I liked the chambered Kleins better than the non-chambered ones, although those are very nice too. The chamber adds $$, of course..... >>In fact, all my high-gain distortion sounds had to be "fixed" for the >>Klein. They had all been biased on the bright side to make my other guitars >>sound good. All the upper harmonics from the Klein made them sound muddy, >>sort of like the way an archtop like an ES175 or something sounds through a >>distortion pedal. Once I rolled off some of the treble, they sounded great >>too. > >Was this a result of the chamber? Did you try a non-chambered version >through your setup? Actually, I didn't try any of them through my setup before I bought it. They had a rivera at the trade shows, and they sounded great through that. I just decided it would also sound good in my amp, and so far I think I was right. >If a person were to head up to Sonoma and play a Klein, how strong is the >'danger' that they'd drop a few grand for one? What kind of amps does he >have up there? Do/Can you take your own? heh, heh.... I think I played a Klein twice before I lost control of my checkbook.... Lorenzo is very accomodating and treats customers very well. When I've gone up there, I usually spend part of the day hanging around the ranch talking guitars, and the other part in sonoma eating cheese and having some wine. It's pretty low key, and you can certainly bring along your own amp. I think he had a Pierce and a Hi-mu, neither of which showed the guitars off all that well, imho. Ask Lorenzo if you can help him feed the llama. The Klein number is Monaco707-938-4189. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Jun 04 09:40:55 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 4 00:34:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZAaI-0001r6-00; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 00:34:18 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970603090101.00570320@mail.well.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 00:14:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: ob echoplex dp - where to buy? us$$$? Resent-Message-ID: <"uI5_5D.A.tXB.MlRlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 00:34:18 -0700 X-UIDL: ea59dbdd3bff16f0f6f01fb54e1914f4 At 9:01 AM -0700 6/3/97, dan mcmullen wrote: >hello. i'm new to the list & am just beginning to explore looping, though >i've followed its use in recordings for quite a while. > >can anyone recommend good places to purchase the echoplex + foot controller >in the US? You can call Oberheim and ask for a dealer, 510-635-9633. You're in the Bay Area, right? They will probably suggest Haight-Ashbury or Banana's at Large. >what are street prices that folks have paid recently? > not sure, I guess it's around $600, maybe a little less. >do current units include the new firmware, or how long til that's available? There is no new firmware yet, but we hope that will change real soon.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Jun 04 09:40:57 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 4 01:31:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZBTC-0004HY-00; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 01:31:02 -0700 Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 03:28:54 -0500 From: John Pollock Subject: Re: Zoom 508 delay To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-to: johnpollock@delphi.com Message-id: <33952746.24F8@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <199706032301.QAA22130@scv1.apple.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"FmHbeB.A.60D.jbSlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 01:31:02 -0700 X-UIDL: fa5a103f91ae7d51f93ba17c9b65f414 T.W. Hartnett wrote: > > For anyone looking to get into looping cheaply, I'd recommend the Zoom > 508. It's a programmable delay pedal with 4 seconds of delay time. > Stereo out, six banks of four patches, tap-tempo, built-in tuner, > programmable high-frequency damping, delay spillover when switching > patches, it's got a ton of features for about $135 street price. I > bought one for a small looping setup, so that I don't need to break out > my rack whenever I want to loop, and I've been very pleased with the > sound. Thanks, Travis-- I'd been wondering. :-) -- John Pollock mailto:johnpollock@delphi.com http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock (Troubador Tech) From ???@??? Wed Jun 04 09:40:58 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 4 03:12:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZD3m-0007dO-00; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 03:12:54 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 06:08:30 -0400 (EDT) From: BlkSwan03@aol.com Message-ID: <970604060830_-94655097@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: David Darling : Cello Resent-Message-ID: <"FJtsrB.A.pAH.Z7Tlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 03:12:54 -0700 X-UIDL: c2032f33d3b69b28516a140744bee5ce Matthias, if you like David Darling, check out this recording. It's on ECM records and it's quite amazing. He even plays 8 string electric cello. Very slow ambient pieces. Quite evocative. I made a tape from a friends CD and I've yet to bump into the actual CD in a shop. It was recorded in 1991-92 in Oslo. I'm not 100% sure about the title, but some of the tracks are: Darkwood 1, No Place Nowhere, Lament, Indiana Indian, Fables, etc. Check it out. Jim From ???@??? Wed Jun 04 09:40:58 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 4 03:15:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZD5y-0007mi-00; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 03:15:10 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 06:11:33 -0400 (EDT) From: BlkSwan03@aol.com Message-ID: <970604061133_-1798946424@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: strings and springs Resent-Message-ID: <"jEXjYD.A.IJH.W-Tlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 03:15:10 -0700 X-UIDL: ea6608f2e8073574a4330e2812fe34a0 That sounds absolutely amazing! Any recordings? Jim From ???@??? Wed Jun 04 09:41:59 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 4 08:23:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZHuI-00049B-00; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 08:23:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199706041517.IAA28796@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: Zoom 508 delay Date: Wed, 4 Jun 97 10:17:57 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"B29roD.A.lcD.8bYlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 08:23:26 -0700 X-UIDL: 727ab233df4bb4aecf1bfa3e5928c87a >>For anyone looking to get into looping cheaply, I'd recommend the Zoom >>508. It's a programmable delay pedal with 4 seconds of delay time. >>Stereo out, six banks of four patches, tap-tempo, built-in tuner, >>programmable high-frequency damping, delay spillover when switching >>patches, it's got a ton of features for about $135 street price. I >>bought one for a small looping setup, so that I don't need to break out >>my rack whenever I want to loop, and I've been very pleased with the >>sound. > >Yeah, this thing sounds pretty good (fairly clean, digital), but like just >about every Zoom product we've ever seen, it's an ergonomic nightmare, plus >they clip you more money for an additional foot pedal. The tuner is pretty >ridiculous too. The casing is plastic, and unless you're very delicate when you gig, it probably won't hold up to Stomping Rock Frenzy. However, I think most loopers do the bulk of their work at home, in a studio setting, or under more sedate live circumstances. In any case, I think it's primary looping applications are of the "set it and forget it" variety--either setting it to the four-second delay with lots of feedback, or one of the long tapped delay settings. If you're looking to jump around, during performance, from patch to patch to patch, you'll need to be delicate. Programming it is easy as long as you don't lose the sheet with the description of what the various delay types are (on the two character, scrolling readout they show up as "nt", "ND", etc. My recommendation of the device is based on its sonic usefulness once you've set it up to your liking. It's main shortcomings are the plastic casing and the limited number of controls, which mean that you won't start programming it effectively unless you have the instructions. For $135, I feel it's well worth it. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Wed Jun 04 09:42:02 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 4 09:34:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZJ11-0001v4-00; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 09:34:27 -0700 Message-Id: <199706041625.JAA14618@scv4.apple.com> Subject: Re: David Darling : Cello Date: Wed, 4 Jun 97 11:26:30 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"XV7Y4B.A.1NB.8cZlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 09:34:27 -0700 X-UIDL: 333f499157a6f3c4b6d6581fd0ef4c78 >Matthias, if you like David Darling, check out this recording. It's on ECM >records and it's quite amazing. He even plays 8 string electric cello. Very >slow ambient pieces. Quite evocative. I made a tape from a friends CD and >I've yet to bump into the actual CD in a shop. It was recorded in 1991-92 in >Oslo. I'm not 100% sure about the title, but some of the tracks are: > Darkwood 1, No Place Nowhere, Lament, Indiana Indian, Fables, etc. >Check it out. David Darling has several releases on ECM. There is one called "Cello" (ECM 21464). ECM has their entire catalog available on-line at their website. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Wed Jun 04 09:41:00 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 4 05:30:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZFCq-0003MA-00; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 05:30:24 -0700 Message-Id: <9706041230.AA08476@beryllium.lexicon.com> Priority: urgent Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 09:18:00 -0400 From: "Sellon, Bob" Subject: RE: Bob's steroidal JamMan implant To: Loopers-Delight X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Resent-Message-ID: <"NPvFhD.A.gAD.38Vlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 05:30:24 -0700 X-UIDL: 33e373834bda41a7d5b9fc9b65bb3618 Michael wrote: >One thing I'm not sure about - I understand there'll be page panning - but >will there be actual stereo looping? I've given this whole PC-thing some >thought, and if it's possible to select pages from MIDI, and the beast has >stereo looping a more memory (there's tons more 4Mx4bit ZIPs about than >1Mx4bit...) that's all the extra functionality I need.... though of course >I'm grateful for anything this update does! Jeez, I'm just about to order >new ZIPs (for $5 each at closeout!!) and the prospect of 32 secs is >daunting enough!! The A-D converter (input) on JamMan is mono while the D-A (output) converter is stereo so all loops are recorded in mono. What this software offers is the ability to play back multiple loops at the same with the ability to place the loops anywhere in the stereo field. Its a lot like a mixing board connected to a multi-track tape machine; each track on the tape is mono but you can use the pan and level controls to position the tracks in the mix. >You also said the Vortex >design team weren't planning a MIDI upgrade for this most essential peice >of kit. Can they be persuaded...? It's pretty unlikely but I'll keep you posted. Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec bsellon@lexicon.com From ???@??? Wed Jun 04 23:26:24 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 4 15:47:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZMG8-0000pQ-00; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 13:02:16 -0700 Message-Id: <199706041925.MAA10820@scv2.apple.com> Subject: Re: Zoom 508 delay vs. Steinway pianos vs. Klein guitars Date: Wed, 4 Jun 97 14:28:00 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"h84oT.A.FO.Jiclz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 13:02:16 -0700 X-UIDL: d88bfacfb19b313f757cb1f6da672551 >Thanks for your informative post about the Zoom 508 but the LoOpDoctOrs >must take issue with this destructive notion that looping is largely in the >realm of the studio. We want equipment that words LIVE and in the studio. >We are not happy with the mindset that produces technology that can only be >accessed if you "have the instructions." While I'm all for cheap, all-powerful gear that doesn't require me to read the manual, I'm also aware of the many limitations that manufacturers face in trying to make these products economically viable. When it comes to making digital software/hardware "intuitive", I'd love to hear some concrete suggestions for implementing an intuitive way to crossfade between three odd-length loops while replacing the second multiple of the third loop with an inverted copy of the first multiple of the third loop. I also think that live looping applications closely resemble moving the studio onstage. > >We are excited about both the Jamman and Echoplex, however, at the same >time, we are deeply disgruntled with the state of their ergonomic art (and >we mean by that the cumulative impact of firmware/software/and >hardware)...and feel strongly that the "studio" mentality has contributed >to some of the mistakes in design that make these pieces more difficult to >use live then they need be. > >We will be elated when the people responsible for designing the next >generation of loopers become as thoughtful about the real world live >application of their creations as say Steve Klein was when he designed his >incredible electric guitar, or the Steinway family was when they produced >the grandest of grand pianos It's a small miracle that we have the looping tools that we have, given the tiny, tiny, market that exists for loopage gear. The fact that the ergonomics of the instruments (JamMan, Echoplex, Boomerang, etc) may not be up to the standards of a $3000 custom electric guitar (the Klein), a device with a physical heritage stretching back hundreds of years, doesn't surprise or disappoint me. > >In short, here's a test: put a Klein guitar or a Steinway piano in front of >a five year old who has never SEEN a guitar or a piano before. With both >instruments that said five year old will immediately get it. He will sit >down and begin strumming or plunking away, and he will accomplish this >because the Klein guitar and the Steinway piano have been adapted to make >music with the human mind and body (even a tiny one). Now put the Zoom 508 >pedal in front of that same five year old...within a very short time he >will throw it across the room. Yeah, but try having him restring or tune either instrument. The Klein and the Steinway are simple analog devices, from a user standpoint. Start string vibrate. Change pitch of string. Repeat as desired. How about handing them a saxaphone and seeing what they can make of it? Or a 24-track tape recorder? > >In short, the Loopdoctors while not starving exactly, remain darn hungry >when it comes to looper ergonomics. And we still think that when dug up in >future archeological expeditions, Zoom products will be mistaken for >windshield scrapers, arch supports, or tax notarization devices, rather >then what the nominally intended to be...music makers for real human >beings. Or even music makers for those who refer to themselves in the third person. In closing, for $135 it's great. Every dollar that you spend to make it more roadworthy or add knobs will be a dollar less spent on the delay. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Wed Jun 04 23:26:03 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 4 12:43:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZLxs-0006Xb-00; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:43:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199706041932.MAA21552@scv4.apple.com> Subject: Re: Zoom 508 delay vs. Steinway pianos vs. Klein guitars Date: Wed, 4 Jun 97 14:33:08 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"A9aaR.A.JdF.kLclz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:43:24 -0700 X-UIDL: ffdb5a5f39a69435663a112528d48612 >Interesting point... I was just thinking of the Vortex interface in >terms of hardware, software, and sonics. > >Sonically, the Vortex is most effective in the studio. Its subtleties >are often lost live. But it is also missing midi, the most basic >studio interface. I keep my patches in a notebook, not on a computer! >Worse still, the footpedal interface makes it a pain to advance >through programs in a structured live setting. > >It's a wonderfully cool device, but can you imagine it with midi? Can you imagine it listing for $649? No one was willing to buy the Vortex until the price dropped to fire sale levels, and I don't the lack of MIDI was the deciding factor. Try explaining why it's so cool to a civilian, they just don't get it. Travis (Vortex owner) From ???@??? Wed Jun 04 09:41:09 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 4 07:51:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZHPY-0001ug-00; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 07:51:40 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 11:52:15 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Sustain Resent-Message-ID: <"7QtZ4C.A.NLB.48Xlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 07:51:40 -0700 X-UIDL: 468cbe2ead4fa440a92346940327bb8b >Hmmmm. a very complex set of problems, as I had also thought of >getting a couple extra pickups and trying the DIY approach. >Actually I think an interesting approach would be to buy 6 >ebows, pull out the electronics, and mount them in a guitar >body, but that probably also be difficult, particularly in >terms of mounting the hardware. It would allow one neat >thing, independent sustainability on each string... > >jim ... which is what I was heading for, using the hex piezo pickup to select the string. There would be no feedback from the driver to the piezo either. I even tried to use the piezo as a driver, but it only worked on the highest pitched notes, since it has a tiny amplitude. Matthias From ???@??? Wed Jun 04 09:41:10 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 4 07:52:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZHPy-0001ws-00; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 07:52:06 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 11:52:24 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Sustain Resent-Message-ID: <"vce9lB.A.PNB.L9Xlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 07:52:06 -0700 X-UIDL: 68aea4bd7a5a5412279ee4a075a0b594 >Matthias: > >>Sure I tried it, years ago. There are problems I did not have the patience >>to solve: >> >>1 To keep the correct phase for any note is not easy. > >I'd thought of using the middle pickup purely as a sensor for the sustainer >(which prob'ly won't work - see below.), which is nearer the driver (neck >p'u) and less likely to have phase problems. However, the root marmonic >should always be in phase over all pickups (by definition) One should think so. On the violin, the wave is running along the string, out of the bow, maybe there is such behaviour from the driver? Do the magnets shift the phase too? - it's the >extent to which the signal is dominated by the upper harmonics what's the >problem, which is why I thought it would be better to use the mid p'u. the >bridge p'u is all harmonics, which is probably not ideal. I do not think the harmonics are a big problem, because you will want them to appear, but not necessarily control. Isnt it fun when they come and go? I think it would be interesting to have some phase shift (foot?) control, to simulate the distance between speaker and guitar. >>3 The driver tends to feed back directly to the pickup. To avoid it, you >>need to limit its energy, make it more effective through filtering or build >>it in a specific way so it does not stray the magnetic field. > >This is probably why the middle pickup is disengaged on the Fernandez when >the Sustainer is engaged. right! >>But... go ahead and find out! > >Learn the hard way, eh? ...the fun way... Matthias From ???@??? Wed Jun 04 09:41:09 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 4 07:52:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZHPy-0001wt-00; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 07:52:06 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 11:52:37 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: back to this nice place Resent-Message-ID: <"ZLoS1B.A.7OB.c9Xlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 07:52:06 -0700 X-UIDL: 8be85af3c27308e5e774eb5fa6c8ff6b I had suffered some eremit time with Plex programming, disorientation, somatization... It was healthy to dig out some old recordings and edit them and burn them onto CDR. Most surprising where some works with a Irish looping percussionist called David Hopkins. I hope there will be a way to make them accessible to anyone! Now, a lot is cleaned out, two artist came to live here... I read all the list mail and sometimes typed some answer but did not send it, because it was late... Now I go through those and post some of them, allthough they are more late even... sorry. Soon I will have some more questions, rather loop related. I liked all the non topic posts. My only concern is that they are mostly very guitar related and we might bore the few non guitarist loopers, which is a pity because I insist that looping is not at all limited to the guitar! Looking into the next chapter of live... Matthias From ???@??? Wed Jun 04 23:25:41 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 4 10:10:06 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZJZQ-0004j4-00; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 10:10:00 -0700 Message-ID: <01BC70E9.7D112DE0@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Low-impedance pickups (was: Sustain) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 13:16:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"89AB-.A.p9D.2_Zlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 10:10:00 -0700 X-UIDL: 3ba146a55f8fd5b59a5b82846f664669 EMG has been making low impedance pickups since the early '70s. I have a couple of humbuckers in my Steinberger Transtrem. Their website address is http://www.emginc.com Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com Troy, Michigan ---------- From: Dr M. P. Hughes[SMTP:pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 1997 11:41 AM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Low-impedance pickups (was: Sustain) >2 To drive, you need power. Either a higher tension than battery or a low >impedance pickup (DIY?). I've just been trying to read up about low-impedance pickups, but information is scarce. I'm presuming fewer turns of thicker wire are used - hi-Z pickups use about 6000 turns of 40SWG wire. Anybody got any ideas? (I'm assuming they've been off the market since Gibson dropped 'em in the 70s) Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Wed Jun 04 23:25:55 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 4 11:54:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZLC2-0002nx-00; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 11:53:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 10:53:33 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Zoom 508 delay vs. Steinway pianos vs. Klein guitars Resent-Message-ID: <"c3B2UC.A.ROC.Yiblz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 11:53:58 -0700 X-UIDL: 14e119f2ebbfa6a97f5f37f4a37c5a0a Dear T.W. Hartnett: Thanks for your informative post about the Zoom 508 but the LoOpDoctOrs must take issue with this destructive notion that looping is largely in the realm of the studio. We want equipment that words LIVE and in the studio. We are not happy with the mindset that produces technology that can only be accessed if you "have the instructions." We are excited about both the Jamman and Echoplex, however, at the same time, we are deeply disgruntled with the state of their ergonomic art (and we mean by that the cumulative impact of firmware/software/and hardware)...and feel strongly that the "studio" mentality has contributed to some of the mistakes in design that make these pieces more difficult to use live then they need be. We will be elated when the people responsible for designing the next generation of loopers become as thoughtful about the real world live application of their creations as say Steve Klein was when he designed his incredible electric guitar, or the Steinway family was when they produced the grandest of grand pianos In short, here's a test: put a Klein guitar or a Steinway piano in front of a five year old who has never SEEN a guitar or a piano before. With both instruments that said five year old will immediately get it. He will sit down and begin strumming or plunking away, and he will accomplish this because the Klein guitar and the Steinway piano have been adapted to make music with the human mind and body (even a tiny one). Now put the Zoom 508 pedal in front of that same five year old...within a very short time he will throw it across the room. In short, the Loopdoctors while not starving exactly, remain darn hungry when it comes to looper ergonomics. And we still think that when dug up in future archeological expeditions, Zoom products will be mistaken for windshield scrapers, arch supports, or tax notarization devices, rather then what the nominally intended to be...music makers for real human beings. Best, The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Wed Jun 04 23:26:01 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 4 12:16:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZLY5-0004fu-00; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:16:45 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:08:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Zoom 508 delay vs. Steinway pianos vs. Klein guitars In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"CHxy2.A.5tD.b1blz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:16:45 -0700 X-UIDL: 7d6e8c6e038c77ef7ecb81ec7d35a75d Interesting point... I was just thinking of the Vortex interface in terms of hardware, software, and sonics. Sonically, the Vortex is most effective in the studio. Its subtleties are often lost live. But it is also missing midi, the most basic studio interface. I keep my patches in a notebook, not on a computer! Worse still, the footpedal interface makes it a pain to advance through programs in a structured live setting. It's a wonderfully cool device, but can you imagine it with midi? -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Wed Jun 04 23:26:01 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 4 12:18:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZLZa-0004pg-00; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:18:18 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:10:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Kim Corbet Subject: Re: Zoom 508 delay vs. Steinway pianos vs. Klein guitars To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"4_qol.A.v4D.M3blz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:18:18 -0700 X-UIDL: 397b7d53598015a1c2af72f364b9060e hear hear!!! From ???@??? Wed Jun 04 23:26:00 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 4 12:16:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZLY6-0004g4-00; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:16:46 -0700 X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:15:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Terry Riley Resent-Message-ID: <"5p_uVC.A.CvD.m1blz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 12:16:46 -0700 X-UIDL: 8e35a967760524a5b1ffd028f1a4b1d8 Loopers, I came across a couple of links for tape loop pioneer/minimalist composer Terry Riley and I didn't recall seeing them mentioned here before. http://www.cortical.org/Riley.html http://www.otherminds.org/Riley.html There is even a link to download a small pdf file of the score for Riley's In C, a very loopy minimalist composition, which is mentioned on the Looper's Delight Loopography page. http://www.otherminds.org/Scores.html Later Ed From ???@??? Wed Jun 04 23:26:13 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 4 13:58:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZN8w-0002pZ-00; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 13:58:54 -0700 From: Kevin Simonson Message-Id: <199706041953.AA023554017@eagle.uis.edu> Subject: Re: Zoom 508 delay vs. Steinway pianos vs. Klein guitars To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 14:53:37 -0600 (CDT) In-Reply-To: from "mgsam@wave.net" at Jun 4, 97 10:53:33 am Content-Type: text Resent-Message-ID: <"yKLB9.A.IVC.KYdlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 13:58:54 -0700 X-UIDL: 425e1ebc390f481d77cc66c4499950a8 > > We will be elated when the people responsible for designing the next > generation of loopers become as thoughtful about the real world live > application of their creations as say Steve Klein was when he designed his > incredible electric guitar, or the Steinway family was when they produced > the grandest of grand pianos It strikes me that these examples strive to achieve project leadership through quality materials and manufacturing of a very well designed product with little concern for PRICE. Zoom does not (self-)admittedly manufacture top of the line products, and with their impetus being toward producing COST-EFFECTIVE solutions, comparing the two above examples with a 508 is by nature kind of fallacious. > > In short, here's a test: put a Klein guitar or a Steinway piano in front of > a five year old who has never SEEN a guitar or a piano before. With both > instruments that said five year old will immediately get it. He will sit > down and begin strumming or plunking away, and he will accomplish this > because the Klein guitar and the Steinway piano have been adapted to make > music with the human mind and body (even a tiny one). Now put the Zoom 508 > pedal in front of that same five year old...within a very short time he > will throw it across the room. A five year old would need to have very advanced temporal-spatial faculties in order to grasp what a 508 does. The Zoom All-in-One pedals are for a rather specific market niche, and with the textural tendencies and general "big ears" of the looping community in general, are probably NOT suitable as multipurpose effects units, but rather offer a palette of limited solutions to primarily budget-minded guitarists. -- Kevin Simonson * AS/400 Application Development Team University of Illinois-Springfield * Programmer / Analyst Computer Science, et al. * Norwest Mortgage, Inc. simonson@eagle.uis.edu * Springfield, IL From ???@??? Thu Jun 05 11:07:19 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 5 10:00:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZftP-0002Vl-00; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:00:07 -0700 Message-Id: <8187.199706051204@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:04:04 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Re: Looping in London Resent-Message-ID: <"x--N2.A.75B.f8ulz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:00:07 -0700 X-UIDL: d6308254969f4e12ca14a1eadeb2fdd5 David Orton: >>>Just a brief note to say I will be adopting a solo loopist stance on April >>>10th at the the Clock Tower in Croydon, London (UK) from 1pm till 2pm (lunch >>>time) Me: >>Another UK looper! Does that make, oh, about 3 of us? Matthias: >There are at least another two: > Antonio Forcione and his friend bought LOOP delays in '93 >The phone then was 081 995 7613 was his friend Neil Stacy? I saw that pair playing in '93 - phenomenal, incredibly virtuosic, incredibly funny! Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 11:21:15 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 5 23:24:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZfpq-0002Dw-00; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:56:26 -0700 Message-Id: <8258.199706051208@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:08:36 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: RE: Bob's steroidal JamMan implant Resent-Message-ID: <"fl88HC.A.1mB.c4ulz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:56:26 -0700 X-UIDL: 59792f1b21e66fce9601b7bd15d60a41 Status: U Bob: >The A-D converter (input) on JamMan is mono while the D-A (output) >converter is stereo so all loops are recorded in mono. This surprises me - why were stereo DACs included when only one is used? Was this upgrade planned, or is it because the JamMan shares gubbins with mono-in /stereo out processors? >> You also said the Vortex >> design team weren't planning a MIDI upgrade for this most essential >> piece of kit. Can they be persuaded...? > >It's pretty unlikely but I'll keep you posted. I think there's probably some demand 'round these parts..... Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Thu Jun 05 11:07:17 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 5 08:48:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZelf-0005Gu-00; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 08:48:03 -0700 Message-ID: <41DE695CE6FCCF11AD1000805FCCF8EC1BB2EA@SF-01-MSG.dns.microsoft.com> From: Tom Attix To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Klein Electric Guitar Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 08:35:33 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.30) Resent-Message-ID: <"AF6NcD.A.hVE.Z2tlz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 08:48:03 -0700 X-UIDL: 32c4d87a2b5ca69e7cd69d6a878c741f What about the feedback of the (body) vibration from the acoustic chamber to the string? Obviously, you can't increase overall string vibration (amplitude) by coupling it to an acoustic chamber but could the chamber act as a "storage device" for resonant freq's thereby sustaining certain harmonics (longer than they would have been originally) and effectively dampening nonresonant harmonics? If you plug this into an amp, it will feedback much easier (energy is never free but maybe you can get it a little cheaper...). > -----Original Message----- > From: matthias@bahianet.com.br [SMTP:matthias@bahianet.com.br] > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 1997 12:14 AM > To: Tom Attix > Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar > > Kim wrote: > >>>Strummed acoustically it is > >>>quite loud, like a 335. The resonance chamber does that for you. > > Sean Echevarria asked: > >>Are there any other benefits to the chamber? > > Kim answered: > >Well, I'm hardly an expert on guitar design, but as I understand, > resonant > >chambers can add a lot of sustain and harmonic content. I think > that's > >what they do in the Kleins. I know I liked the chambered Kleins > better > >than the non-chambered ones, although those are very nice too. The > chamber > >adds $$, of course..... > > I thought: > The chamber probably absorbs some energy from the cord and thus > diminuishes > sustain. The loud acoustic sound confirms that. The sound energy you > hear > is taken from the string and the more you take the quicker it is > without, > which means less sustain. But sure, it makes the harmonic content more > complex, more alive. > A perfect long sustain means no absorbtion of the sting energy, which > means > no colouring is possible by absobing some frequencies more than others > - > the "dead" carbon fiber sound. > > ... thats how I understood natural sustain > > Matthias > > From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 11:21:13 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 5 21:59:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZr7u-0006eP-00; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 21:59:50 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:30:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Kim Corbet Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"lPCEO.A.30F.xe5lz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 21:59:50 -0700 X-UIDL: 641d8966d61b864498680ae565a3a354 Status: U > >>>Strummed acoustically it is > >>>quite loud, like a 335. The resonance chamber does that for you. > >Well, I'm hardly an expert on guitar design, but as I understand, resonant > >chambers can add a lot of sustain and harmonic content. I think that's > I thought: > The chamber probably absorbs some energy from the cord and thus diminuishes > sustain. The loud acoustic sound confirms that. The sound energy you hear > is taken from the string and the more you take the quicker it is without, > which means less sustain. ......well, it seems to me "acoustics" differs from this point of view. the string vibrates...the chambers resonate. It's the amplification properties of the chambers themselves that create the sustain. Take an acoustic guitar without the huge box and you haven't got much. Play any hollowbody guitar vs. solid body...play through any good quality speaker cabinet and then through a speaker sitting on the workbench and you start to appreciate what "chambers" can do. From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 11:21:03 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 5 20:04:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZpJq-0007EE-00; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 20:04:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:02:28 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: Zoom 508 delay vs. Steinway pianos vs. Klein guitars Resent-Message-ID: <"XkTDiB.A.JVG.Fy3lz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 20:04:02 -0700 X-UIDL: 66a2035a689a956cd3f74d7a30f4500f Status: U Thank you TW Hartnett and Kevin Simpson for your provocative replies; we love good feedback. Gathering our loop adled thoughts, we must first apologize for the typos in the previous post. Second, we bring up the example of the proverbial five year old, because we have found that on stage with an audience staring us in the face, we have the intellectual and emotional resources available to the average five year old. Furthermore, we find that this isn't unusual for live musicians. Granted we have not administered a round of Piaget developmental tests to hundreds of musicians...but you get our point...live means stress, stress means a reduced ability to cope with awkwardly designed, poorly layed out equipment. Stress on stage can mean tears, fist pounding, and a pronounced inability to read, let alone find directions. Sounds like a five year old, doesn't it? On the other hand, both posters underestimate the acuity of your average five year old in non-stress situation. Ever seen one whip out something in Kid pix on a Mac or a Windows pc with a mouse? They get technology real fast when it's well designed. We do regret the price point comparison that our post inevitably brought up. No, a Klein guitar and a Steinway aren't in the same price range as a Zoom 508 (duh), but we were thinking about the resources available to the designers of these critters. When Henry Steinway and his boys built the ultimate piano, they had several years of experience building more conventional "box" piano in Germany and the feedback from players and builders. They listened and thought about their tradition and the musical ends. Interestingly, it's reported that Henry was losing his hearing and part of the reason the Steinways created the then radical soundboard was the need to make the piano loud enough so he could hear the notes being played in a 19th century concert hall. At the same time, one of his sons had become interested in the new science of acoustics developing in Germany. (Incidentally, T.W., far from being a "simple analogue device," a Steinway has several thousand parts. It's the INTERFACE that's simple and intuitive, not the instrument itself.) But back to the point...there were indeed centuries of experience and feedback from musicians and builders that finally contributed to this seminal design, but it was a family that paid close attention to the needs of players and their audience who got it right. There were also happy accidents that just don't seem to happen much in the corporate world, unless the corporation is really working on finding those accidents (like 3M with Post-its). As for Steve Klein. The guitars that bear his name are built in a barn...literally. The impetus for his ergonomic design came after years of thinking about the guitar and player's needs. It was also the marriage with Ned Steinbergers innovative and brilliant tuning system that created the beast. Again, two individuals obsessed with good design, the player's needs, and paying attention. Now, how much money do you think the people at ZOOM have to spend on product development as compared to a 19th century immigrant family living in New York in the 1850s, or a single offbeat and brilliant designer and guitar builder living in California? We would dare speculate that Zoom has much more in the way of resources and cold hard cash. And we don't see any contradiction in profit and good design. If the product is intuitive and easy to use, it should sell MORE and open up a bigger market. But excuse our cynicism, we think the impetus behind the Zoom 508 is the need to roll over the product line before the next Namm show. Unlike Klein and Steinway they have new models every year...and isn't it amazing that with all that practice they just can't quite seem to get it right! Could they be in the business of musical consumerism instead of the business of musical instrument making? ;) We don't think the people that put the Zoom 508 out have ever looped onstage live, or talked much to musicians who have. We think they think about margins, inventory, volume and product placement. They could be selling electric shavers just as easily as so called musical devices. And we are stunned that given the prior fifty years of recording that Zoom and others of their ilk can't make their machines more intuitive. And really, at four seconds of delay and with a lousy interface, plus you gotta pay extra for the pedal, is this thing REALLY a bargain? Will it help the musician make music or turn him off because of the limitations? Would a musician do better to save his pennies and spend the $550 bucks at Sam Ash to get a hold of the Oberheim? (And as we mentioned before, we have our gripes about our Echoplex too, but it's a thoughtful and sometimes brilliant effort at creating a musical instrument, and not must an offering to the alters of guitar consumerism). In summation, we don't care whether the technology behind a musical instrument is analogue or digital. We don't care about price points. The LoOpDoctOrs want to make live music and we want the best tools available, so spare us worrying about the suits at Zoom and their parituclar corporate/technological constraints. At the $100 price point you can find Casio watches and car stereo units that are just as complex in their menu driven choices as the Zoom 508 but much more intuitively designed, and yes, a child can figure these things out very quickly indeed. Finally we would love it if the folks at Zoom would study the evolution of the Steinway piano and the Klein guitar and then think, real hard, about how it might apply to their products. (hee hee, can't you just see the Zoom guys showing up for their tour of the Steinway factory of the Klein barn?) Better yet, think about the human body, the human mind, the human ear and the human hand and what they need need to make music. And you don't have to just go to analogue instrument makers for instruction either...how about some of the hipper software designers out there? As far as next year's model for next year's Namm show...Zoom, do your interface homework and skip the show. ;) Best, The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 11:21:07 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 5 21:16:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZnHb-000673-00; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 17:53:35 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:32:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Dork has more to say In-Reply-To: <9706028653.AA865308321@ns.faulkcomp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Y0PvF.A.MTF.e41lz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 17:53:35 -0700 X-UIDL: 5505b7e932a513a18e5bb88b1cdd3d5f Status: U On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, mmason wrote: > I've got a Fender Musicmaster Bass amp, a 12 watt tube amp from 1978. > She sounds decent, but she makes a CRAPLOAD of noise. > > Any of you techno-smart loopin folks know any ways I could quiet her > down? What do you mean by "noise"? Not distortion, I hope. Ain't nuttin' you can do 'bout dat. At that age, she ought to be about due for a good restoration. The tubes will be gassy, and the electrolytic caps shot. Does it make popping sounds while it warms up? If so, it needs a cap job. Do that soon, lest a failed cap damage your tubes or cause some other horror. Do the tubes glow blue? If so, they're gassy, and need replaced. Do yourself a favor, and forget new tubes. Most modern Chinese and Russian tubes are *junk*. I just replaced a blown vintage Mullard EL34 in my stereo with a Groove Tubes EL34. The difference in manufacturing quality and sonics shocked me. The GT (a Chinese EL34) glows cherry red at the limits of its capabilities in this amp, while the 35 year old Mullards show no color at all, except for a tiny bit of gas in one. So, retube with good quality NOS (new old stock) vintage tubes. Try Steve at Angela Instruments (www.angela.com), an excellent straightforward guy. His web site has prices and descriptions for a wide variety of NOS tubes. As for a cap job... if you aren't afraid of a bit of soldering and understand the basics of electronics, it's pretty easy to do. If you don't know the proper precautions for dealing with high voltage, though, don't try it. Tube amp voltages will knock you on your ass bad. Take it to a respected local amp repair shop. While you're at it, if the amp doesn't have a three-prong cord, add one. Take good care of that little amp, and don't begrudge spending money on its health. Those low-powered Fenders are some of the best-sounding amps I've heard. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 11:21:16 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 00:17:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZtGs-0000Jz-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 00:17:14 -0700 From: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:55:32 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706051455_MC2-17B8-BD0E@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"Ctoab.A.WD.qi7lz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 00:17:14 -0700 X-UIDL: d8f2b13024c5b6f2bf7b0e8965612abe Status: U Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: RE: Bob's steroidal JamMan implant Report Generation Time: 06/05/97 18:55:02 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 11:21:19 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 01:05:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZu19-0003CW-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 01:05:03 -0700 From: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 16:30:54 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706051631_MC2-17A9-6929@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"BlrsV.A._wC.nP8lz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 01:05:03 -0700 X-UIDL: 7102d1ba173bd3a9345a90524d257f74 Status: U Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: Looping in London Report Generation Time: 06/05/97 20:30:24 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 11:21:23 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 02:23:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZvF5-0001dz-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 02:23:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 18:15:28 -0400 (EDT) From: MiqSk8@aol.com Message-ID: <970605181439_372875049@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: questions for one and all Resent-Message-ID: <"O_1rQB.A.wXB.Qa9lz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 02:23:31 -0700 X-UIDL: 78f18396eba693e330354ea033013256 Status: U has anyone here on the list seen the david torn instructional videos? i'm still pretty new at looping but have a fairly firm grasp on signal processing; would these be of worth ($69+) to me? what do they cover, and are they more theory based or just the "look what cool sound i get out of this cool box" type thing? on to more real loopy stuff... has anyone here ever seen the Joni Mitchell concert video Shadows and Light? Her band at the time was michael brecker, don elias, lyle mays, pat metheny, and the monster known as jaco pastorious. jaco's solo takes advantage of the lexicon(judging by the blue on the box) delay to build a quick loop to blow over. it's really cool, grooving(of course), and jaco just has the technology dialed in. warning:this solo does not appear on the cd! sorry to bring up the zoom 508 again, but... if you were to pony up for the expression pedal to go with it, what parameters are controlable by it? feedback, delay level, delay time? is it's output true stereo? could delays be panable? i have for a while been considering two parallel signal chains fed by a panning pedal allowing me to mix (or ultimately choose one of) two considerably different sounds on the fly-kind of the poor man's morphing, only not so processor dependent/intensive. btw, has any heard the zoom 507 reverb pedal as well? and now for the big kahuna- what is it that all of us are trying to achieve by looping? i'm really interested in the sounds coming out of this group. Atmospheres? Textures? "Sound Carpets"? Precision Pointillism? Industrial Indigestion? or more of the compositional types of multiple loops created on the fly and then swapped between? in other words a way to build traditional sections of composition to be arranged. i realize this predates the looper's cd, but i think it would be cool for us to get an idea of what's going on with all this equipment and talent and ... personally i'm still struggling with all the abilities of the 'plex and the timing of using next loop-so i'm concentrating more on the single loop. it's amazing how varied the result can be by taking different approaches (chordal, linear, heavy, ethereal, synchronized, chaos). i am constantly just letting it go onto tape. (i'm spending all weekend in the california mountains to go through them all!) From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 11:21:02 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 5 20:04:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZpJm-0007Dr-00; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 20:03:58 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 18:12:42 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: Dork has more to say Resent-Message-ID: <"3c5TxB.A.uPG.2w3lz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 20:03:58 -0700 X-UIDL: 808e741dcd61e3df2528db74b1b31503 Status: U You wrote: > >Do yourself a favor, and forget new tubes. Most modern Chinese and >Russian tubes are *junk*. I just replaced a blown vintage Mullard >EL34 in my stereo with a Groove Tubes EL34. The difference in >manufacturing quality and sonics shocked me. The GT (a Chinese EL34) >glows cherry red at the limits of its capabilities in this amp, while >the 35 year old Mullards show no color at all, except for a tiny bit >of gas in one. > >So, retube with good quality NOS (new old stock) vintage tubes. Try >Steve at Angela Instruments (www.angela.com), an excellent >straightforward guy. His web site has prices and descriptions for a >wide variety of NOS tubes. The new Svetlana EL-34s are excellent. Much better then the old Sovtek's or anything Chinese, and I like them better then the East German tubes I've jused. In fact, they are in the same sonic ballpark as my old Mullards. Longevity remains a question since I've only been using them a couple of months, but so far so good. Best, Kevin From ???@??? Thu Jun 05 18:34:15 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 5 18:24:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZnlN-0000VD-00; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 18:24:21 -0700 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199706060114.SAA19722@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 18:14:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Kim Flint" at Jun 4, 97 00:09:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QxfkcD.A.rKH.dS2lz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 18:24:21 -0700 X-UIDL: 13eb9aa1c30418a9e689363f09d3bc4d Hi Kim, I recall you mentioning Lorenzo (of Steve Klein Guitars) being reluctant to install a Sustainiac circuit on a Klein. Was it just too much trouble because of the guitar design (can't find a place for the circuit board, etc.)? Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 11:21:14 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 5 22:04:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZrBt-0006w4-00; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 22:03:57 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.compuserve.com Thu Jun 05 22:03:53 1997 Received: from dub-img-2.compuserve.com [149.174.206.132] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZkIA-00001Z-00; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:41:58 -0700 Received: by dub-img-2.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id QAA24506; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 16:30:53 -0400 From: Old-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 16:30:23 -0400 Subject: Message not deliverable To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706051630_MC2-17B7-FF93@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="beca0212-dde1-11d0-9cb7-00805feacc26" X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 22:03:57 -0700 X-UIDL: 887b542e53411746784596a5ea23d6a2 Status: U ----------------------------------- Forwarded ---------------------------------- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at CSERVE Date: Thu Jun 05 15:50:23 1997 To: Russell Gorton at CreatSvc-Ada Subject: Re: Looping in London -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by arl-img-4.com puserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id MAA12755; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:56:14 -0400 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZfpO-0002Bx-00; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:55:58 -0700 Message-Id: <8187.199706051204@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:04:04 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Re: Looping in London Resent-Message-ID: <"x--N2.A.75B.f8ulz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Russell_Gorton@creatsvc-ada.ccmail.compuserve.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:55:58 -0700 David Orton: >>>Just a brief note to say I will be adopting a solo loopist stance on April >>>10th at the the Clock Tower in Croydon, London (UK) from 1pm till 2pm (lunch >>>time) Me: >>Another UK looper! Does that make, oh, about 3 of us? Matthias: >There are at least another two: > Antonio Forcione and his friend bought LOOP delays in '93 >The phone then was 081 995 7613 was his friend Neil Stacy? I saw that pair playing in '93 - phenomenal, incredibly virtuosic, incredibly funny! Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 11:21:21 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 01:55:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZunt-00079N-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 01:55:25 -0700 Message-Id: <26056.199706060850@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:50:48 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Re: Zoom 508 delay vs. Steinway pianos vs. Klein guitars Resent-Message-ID: <"BiPsjB.A.ZYG.b-8lz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 01:55:25 -0700 X-UIDL: 26fa8390094eb776ff60ede57932b1f3 Status: U The Doctors have made the point that a Zoom box is far less intuitive to use out of the box than a Klein or Steinway (do pianos come in boxes?). However, I'd make 2 points about that - 1. These instruments abe both largely acoustic, ie sound generators. You hit something, it makes a noise. The kid could be playing Cage in minutes. :) With the Zoom, they'd need to know what to do with the instrument first, then once it's plugged in I'm sure they'd find something cool in the echo FX even without the looper going. 2. Whilst the "ease of use" is fine for piano or guitar, I'd hazard a guess that left with something from the Brass section (sax, trumpet, tuba) they'd be left making farting noises for days. Does this mean brass instruments are badly designed, or merely that they require a degree of skill in order to use? This counts for bowed strings too. Finally, you say that kids should save the extra for an EDP. Over here that's about $600 up in price, and quite honestly I couldn't justify spending that much on a looper myself. Zoom fill a market need for cheap'n'cheerful, if mediocre, processors. And I'll bet the Zoom outsells the EDP, JM and Rang by bucketloads... Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 11:21:21 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 01:53:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZum9-0006zj-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 01:53:37 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.compuserve.com Fri Jun 06 01:53:32 1997 Received: from hil-img-2.compuserve.com [149.174.177.132] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZi0Y-0004i5-00; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:15:38 -0700 Received: by hil-img-2.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id PAA22239; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 15:14:30 -0400 From: Old-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:55:01 -0400 Subject: Message not deliverable To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706051455_MC2-17A9-6891@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="b3662486-ddc9-11d0-a100-00805feaacd2" X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 01:53:37 -0700 X-UIDL: ffc6edebc3a66b9698b148f6d9c2409d Status: U ----------------------------------- Forwarded ---------------------------------- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at CSERVE Date: Thu Jun 05 12:52:54 1997 To: Russell Gorton at CreatSvc-Ada Subject: RE: Bob's steroidal JamMan implant -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by arl-img-3.com puserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id MAA22768; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:52:03 -0400 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZflN-0001sQ-00; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:51:50 -0700 Message-Id: <8258.199706051208@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:08:36 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: RE: Bob's steroidal JamMan implant Resent-Message-ID: <"fl88HC.A.1mB.c4ulz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Russell_Gorton@creatsvc-ada.ccmail.compuserve.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:51:50 -0700 Bob: >The A-D converter (input) on JamMan is mono while the D-A (output) >converter is stereo so all loops are recorded in mono. This surprises me - why were stereo DACs included when only one is used? Was this upgrade planned, or is it because the JamMan shares gubbins with mono-in /stereo out processors? >> You also said the Vortex >> design team weren't planning a MIDI upgrade for this most essential >> piece of kit. Can they be persuaded...? > >It's pretty unlikely but I'll keep you posted. I think there's probably some demand 'round these parts..... Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 11:21:23 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 02:44:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZvZS-0002Ee-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 02:44:34 -0700 Message-Id: <27285.199706060941@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:41:50 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar Resent-Message-ID: <"feuJ2D.A.m_B.8t9lz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 02:44:34 -0700 X-UIDL: 6b56c97a2c3fe5bc2cb3fe4f5762dcf9 Status: U >> >>>Strummed acoustically it is >> >>>quite loud, like a 335. The resonance chamber does that for you. > >> >Well, I'm hardly an expert on guitar design, but as I understand, resonant >> >chambers can add a lot of sustain and harmonic content. I think that's > >> I thought: >> The chamber probably absorbs some energy from the cord and thus diminuishes >> sustain. The loud acoustic sound confirms that. The sound energy you hear >> is taken from the string and the more you take the quicker it is without, >> which means less sustain. > >......well, it seems to me "acoustics" differs from this point of view. >the string vibrates...the chambers resonate. It's the amplification >properties of the chambers themselves that create the sustain. Take an >acoustic guitar without the huge box and you haven't got much. Play any >hollowbody guitar vs. solid body...play through any good quality speaker >cabinet and then through a speaker sitting on the workbench and you start >to appreciate what "chambers" can do. Dammit, this has got me thinking (oh, no, not again)! The reason an acoustic shifts air is that the bridge moves the top up'n'down due to string vibration. So some inergy is lost, although the guitar top effectively becomes part of the system (ie you're strumming the strings _and_ the top), and your initial pick strike will move the top. There will be a loss of energy due to the moving bridge, but it shouldn't be any more significant than the loss due to bridge movement on trem and non-trem guitars. OK there's an observable difference but we're still talking approximately the same sustain, not guitar-vs-banjo. The term "resonance" probably isn't very accurate - whilst chambers do have resonances, these are at specific frequencies - like the famous footage of Tacoma Bridge finding its resonance frequency!! Acoustic volume is entirely down to how much air you're shifting. If you take a solid gtr, the acoustic sound comes purely from the string since there's nowhere near enough energy to vibrate the 2"-thick body to any degree. In an acoustic, the string/top system vibrates the top, and the volume is equal to the total space enclosed by the top in its "extended" and "retracted" positions (ie the ends of its oscilation). This is the case for, say, an Ovation. For regular acoustics, you also couple the _back_ of the guitar into the system. The top moves forward, drops the pressure in the body, and "suck" the back of the body with it. This causes the back of the guitar to vibrate introducing another large sound-making area and increasing loudness. The shifted air from the exterior of the guitar's top disperses from all over the top (and is quiet) whilst the change of pressure inside the chamber has only one place to act through - the soundhole. The delay for sound travelling between top and back eill cause resonances - ie there will be frequencies where top and back will be "in plase" and summing their volumes, others where ther will be phase cancellation. Since the back's contribution will be smaller (due to losses in the body) this won't result in volume changes, but will "colour" the sound. I would guess that the frequency of these in vnversely proportinal to the depth of the guitar (ie sound gets deepwe ith increasing distance - ie wavelenght increases) Also, the acoustic coupling is more "spread out" through the chamber (think reverb) giving rise to more resonances and a richer sound. "Resonances" occur everywhere - the top, chamber, back etc occur everywhere which is why acoustic guitars are perceived to sound more "alive"; however they aren't why chambered guitars are louder - it's why they sound better. Acoustic volume is derived from the same source (the efficiency of the board) but not through resonances. To summarise, the volume of an acoustic is lastly louder, and the sustain only slightly lower, because the string is coupled into a single vibrating system with the top which is a very efficient way of moving air. IMHO...! Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 11:21:29 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 09:21:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa1lR-0002IW-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:21:21 -0700 Message-Id: <199706061550.IAA21194@scv4.apple.com> Subject: What's in the Torn video? Date: Fri, 6 Jun 97 10:51:35 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"CUxBLB.A.pgB.bYDmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:21:21 -0700 X-UIDL: 14e36ab4a0891af9e25a823365390296 Status: U >has anyone here on the list seen the david torn instructional videos? i'm >still pretty new at looping but have a fairly firm grasp on signal >processing; would these be of worth ($69+) to me? what do they cover, and are >they more theory based or just the "look what cool sound i get out of this >cool box" type thing? I've got both of the Torn videos. How useful they are depends on how much experience you already have with signal processors, effects and looping. The looping sort of stuff doesn't really kick in until the second tape. The first tape has a nice walk through of David's rig--the Klein (including demonstrations of how each pickup setting sounds, the range on the tone control, the Transtrem, etc.), the many footpedals he has before the front end of his amp (including TWO auto-wah's), a demo of the Rivera combo. He stresses how many useful sounds you can get without having a rack full of gear, from cheaper footpedals. The second video introduces some of his looping hardware. At that point he was using the modified PCM-42, a Digitech Smartshift, and a PCM-70 or 80 for reverbs. There's also a demo of using a rackmounted mixer to control the signal flow for the looping rack. He sets up a few loops, explains the control he has over each of the processor, and walks you through three (I think, it's been a while since I watched the videos) loops, explaining the whole time exactly what and how he's doing it. Then he solos for a while over the loops. After that there's a quick demo of the Ithaca Guitar Works acoustic, and he does some quick looping in a tuning that he makes up on the spot. Then there's a couple more examples of extended technique (preparing the guitar, putting in a second bridge to divide the strings into two playable lengths, some stuff with an E-bow). In my opinion, the video is of the greatest use to somebody wondering exactly what and how all this looping stuff is about/done. By the time I got a hold of the videos, I already had an extensive looping rig and a fair amount of experience in hooking up tons of pedals to make weird sounds, so there wasn't the "Revealing of the Masonic Secrets of Looping" that I was subconsciously hoping for. However, it's still very, very informative to see someone else explain exactly what's going on while they loop before you. The videos also include a diagram of the rig Torn is using at the time, which did prompt me to add a mixer to my rack. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:54:19 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 18:04:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa9vI-0002YD-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 18:04:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199706061628.JAA25254@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: questions for one and all Date: Fri, 6 Jun 97 11:28:18 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"v-RCmD.A.AAC.zJLmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 18:04:04 -0700 X-UIDL: 97e81e29c212d4e12973afea509731bc >sorry to bring up the zoom 508 again, but... >if you were to pony up for the expression pedal to go with it, what >parameters are controlable by it? As far as I can tell, you can only control the mix level of the dry and wet signals with the expression pedal. You can also hook a momentary switch up to activate the hold feature (much easier for me than simultaneously hitting both of the pedal mounting switches at the same time). I didn't expect to be able to assign the pedal to those features, but once I saw that they'd bothered to include the jack for the mix level, it did prompt me to wonder why not make it assignable. feedback, delay level, delay time? is it's >output true stereo? could delays be panable? i have for a while been >considering two parallel signal chains fed by a panning pedal allowing me to >mix (or ultimately choose one of) two considerably different sounds on the >fly-kind of the poor man's morphing, only not so processor >dependent/intensive. There is a stereo tap and ping-pong setting for the delays and the reverb/echo, but no panning. For the 508 you should be thinking 4-second, programable, tapable delay pedal, with a built in tuner. It's a simple pedal with more memory than ANY other pedal I know of, at that price point. That I believe is it's selling point. It's not as rugged as the Boss pedals, but it's costs half as much, is programmable, and has four-seconds of delay. Again, this is a pedal I would strongly recommend to someone who wants to get into looping and already has a pedal-based guitar setup. For $150 (including the adaptor), you've got a good taste of a whole new world of sound. If you want to get a JamMan or Echoplex later, the 508 is still extremely useful as a floor-based unit to use in real time. You can't twiddle the knobs in realvtime, a la Belew in '80's King Crimson, but it is programable, so you could have a four second looper, a four-tap volume swell sound, slap-back echo, soloing delay, etc available without having to bend over and mess with the knobs. Remember, the delay time is also tapable. No it's not perfect, and we're all somewhat spoiled in our rising expectations for gear flexibility, but I still say the 508 is a great starter unit or addition to anyone's looping rig, even with it's limitations. I've gotten years and years of enjoyment out of a plain 3.6 second rack mount, non-programmable delay--I anticipate years of use from the Zoom. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:47 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 13:25:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa5Zx-0002rJ-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:25:45 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 5 (Lowest) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:41:39 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: questions for one and all Resent-Message-ID: <"2rZh2B.A.pIC.VDHmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:25:45 -0700 X-UIDL: 6463a83b02218d3e6d7a0d1721698af4 On 6/4/97 you wrote: > >and now for the big kahuna- what is it that all of us are trying to achieve >by looping? i'm really interested in the sounds coming out of this group. >Atmospheres? Textures? "Sound Carpets"? Precision Pointillism? Industrial >Indigestion? or more of the compositional types of multiple loops created on >the fly and then swapped between? in other words a way to build traditional >sections of composition to be arranged. i realize this predates the looper's >cd, but i think it would be cool for us to get an idea of what's going on >with all this equipment and talent and ... > Personally, I use my two jam men for atmospheric/textural loops. Though at times guitar or keyboard arpeggios are slipped in. My partner Steev Geest does more of the same. We also frequently have loops running and very long delays at the same time. With 4 jam men between us and a couple shorter options with the Vortex and the Roland RPS-10 there are many options available. Sound Carpets, I like the sound of this. You can check out our site for some samples of what we do. Or you can order our tape Enormous Swirling Sound for $5 postpaid in the US. We're constantly laying down new material and are currently debating hitting a studio with digital multi tacking equipment. And we're always improvising to hone our skills for the occassioanl live gig. Any news on the next Mid-Atlantic Loop Show? Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:52 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 14:13:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa6Jj-0007UD-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:13:03 -0700 Sender: todd@erols.com Message-ID: <33983507.7B5489EB@erols.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 12:04:23 -0400 From: Todd Pafford X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Delivery Report References: <3.0.1.32.19970606120614.009f6100@pure.pureatria.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sXnvI.A.keG.LwHmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:13:03 -0700 X-UIDL: e929e9136387ba7c46b8f943698f5c98 Yeah, I'm getting about 20 a day or more. :( Sean Echevarria wrote: > > Is everybody getting these or just me? > > >Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE > > Subject: Delivery Report > > Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 18:32:18 (GMT+00:00) > > Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized > > > > > > > > > > From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:44 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 13:10:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa42P-00013M-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:47:01 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:36:57 -0700 From: Arthur Gatesy Message-Id: <199706061736.KAA22898@cds9373.Cadence.COM> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Has anyone received a backordered Plex yet? Cc: amg@cds9373.Cadence.COM Resent-Message-ID: <"Qz3iaC.A.xI.UlFmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:47:01 -0700 X-UIDL: d4798b32c5d7c37af48810e328d62bef > Hello fellow loopers, > > Just wondering if any of you who have had an Echoplex on back order, > actually received it yet? I know according to kim and Oberheim's customer > service (Dean Fouts) they are being shipped out but I haven't heard of > anybody getting one yet. > > Ed I received my Echoplex yesterday, which I ordered back in March or April. It was definitely worth the wait! -Art From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:43 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 12:59:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa44C-0001Fg-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:48:52 -0700 From: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:55:47 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061356_MC2-17A9-3CF6@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"EOHp4D.A.lX.TnFmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:48:52 -0700 X-UIDL: 10416d110ad2e5a1ee18fa62e361df2a Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: Dork has more to say Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 17:55:17 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:20 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 12:19:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4Xb-0004Qs-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:19:15 -0700 From: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:55:48 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061356_MC2-17B8-4F9@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"p6XZvB.A.jeD.QEGmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:19:15 -0700 X-UIDL: 2b3d66fc8451a33bcd572002d0fa442b Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 17:55:17 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:41 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 12:53:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa44K-0001Go-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:49:00 -0700 From: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:55:48 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061356_MC2-17A9-3CF7@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"atvYeD.A.zb.znFmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:49:00 -0700 X-UIDL: 0ebaeedfde3c7c1dfd1bee66d9d4e193 Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: Dork has more to say Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 17:55:17 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:44 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 13:01:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa5Cb-0000dH-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:01:37 -0700 From: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:58:55 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061358_MC2-17A9-6F58@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"C8G7WD.A.-H.RtGmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:01:37 -0700 X-UIDL: dfff18a351b2136414299c8c422f8816 Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: Zoom 508 delay vs. Steinway pianos vs. Klein guitars Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 17:58:25 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:54:19 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 18:01:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa9sZ-0002Hd-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 18:01:15 -0700 X-Sender: vajra1@pop3.mho.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:08:30 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: vajra1@mho.net (Robert Phelps) Subject: Re: Delivery Report Resent-Message-ID: <"zxaAfC.A.1yB.eHLmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 18:01:15 -0700 X-UIDL: e4ddc272bd23863c8a54a61e3418f0bb >On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Sean Echevarria wrote: > >> Is everybody getting these or just me? >> >> >.......I'm pretty sure it's just you, man. are you feeling okay? > > >> I'm getting a zillion. AAAAH! B.P. >> > >> >> From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:01 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 11:28:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa3kW-0001ZF-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:28:32 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:15:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: fun with retriggering and anti-guitar diatribes Resent-Message-ID: <"MwvlGB.A.XUB.8UFmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:28:32 -0700 X-UIDL: 33f3e25482073a63b9a7d1aa3d15beef Hi everyone- Last night I was amusing myself with a loop technique that I though I'd share with the group. But first, a mini diatribe about guitars and their owners! I've played guitar since I was 7. It wasn't even my idea, my parents just signed me up for the lessons. It's ok, I enjoy playing, so I forgive them for that. But I guess being around the damn thing for so long has driven me to boredom. Talking about guitars has gotten dull. Listening to guitar music has gotten very dull. And my playing of the guitar is frequently hitting periods of indifference. I guess that's what leads me in more exotic directions both in listening and creating. But everywhere I go: guitar, guitar, guitar. Yawn, yawn, yawn. Why is it that when a few guitar players are around, that's all they talk about? I'm pretty guilty myself, but it's always kind of self-conscious. I'm thinking, if I'm bored, that poor theremin player in the corner must be dying! So anyway, the point is, I'm going to spend more of my limited time here talking about looping, and less about guitars. [Don't take this as "list-owner exerting power" or anything. All you other guitar players feel free to talk about it all you like here. If it's important to your music, it's relevent. Censorship ain't my thing.] Now, Looping! I was playing with retriggering loops. I like this effect, probably because I heard hip-hoppers doing it at a young age or something. I like making the little stuttering sounds. This time, however, I did something a little different. I had recorded a rhythmic sort of loop, 4 bars of 4/4 I think. There were some overdubs, so it was a reasonably full sounding loop, but not very dense. So then I started retriggering it. (mute-insert on the plex. Each insert then retriggers again) For some reason I let it play longer than usual before retriggering, and realized I had just thrown a 3/4 bar into my groove. Cool! I proceeded to go nuts with time signatures, by retriggering my loop at different points in the rhythm, and continuing to do it to get a new groove. Performing with the retrigger actually! I found that I could easily convert my 4/4 groove to 3/4, 5/4, 7/4, 7/8, whatever. Each one had an interesting new character of it's own. Some ideas I had were: (each of these are one pass, and should be repeated to get a groove) Retr - beat - Retr - beat - beat 5/4 Retr - beat - beat - beat - beat 5/4 Retr - beat - Retr - beat - Retr - beat - beat 7/4 Retr - beat - beat - Retr - beat - beat - beat different 7/4 well, you get the idea. Different initial loop content resulted in different sorts of new rhthyms. Each one developed all sorts of new characters as the time signature was dynamically changed. anyway, gotta go. have fun! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:19 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 12:19:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4XS-0004Py-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:19:06 -0700 From: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:31:13 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061431_MC2-17A9-6FAA@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"Y1OcwC.A.OYD.YDGmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:19:07 -0700 X-UIDL: 9a2e44ea4b708291c3f4974c9ad9a0e1 Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: Dork has more to say Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 18:31:11 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:19 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 12:18:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4WW-0004Jp-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:18:08 -0700 From: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:32:49 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061433_MC2-17B8-542@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"uWD_0B.A.aSD.pCGmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:18:08 -0700 X-UIDL: cab905c90c72de7d55ef79d220f2f589 Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 18:32:16 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:31 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 12:45:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4wa-0006tx-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:45:04 -0700 From: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:32:49 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061433_MC2-17B8-544@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"FDBIFD.A.m_F.1dGmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:45:04 -0700 X-UIDL: 006d153658e9a01f7296d1e6663413e8 Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Delivery Report Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 18:32:18 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:10 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 12:06:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4Ko-000323-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:06:02 -0700 From: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:32:50 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061433_MC2-17B8-545@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"WEzcnC.A.VKC.z3Fmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:06:02 -0700 X-UIDL: 8c448287f9a7f418be2ba0d9d78ca323 Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Delivery Report Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 18:32:18 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:21 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 12:31:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4jq-0005dh-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:31:54 -0700 From: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:33:21 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061433_MC2-17B8-C2F4@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"l3Mui.A.YuE.xQGmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:31:54 -0700 X-UIDL: a677ead31d4fae77a50ca27a93497b95 Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Delivery Report Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 18:32:50 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:16 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 12:16:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4VC-0004BA-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:16:46 -0700 From: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:33:28 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061433_MC2-17A9-3D4E@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"E3dgJB.A.KGD.zAGmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:16:46 -0700 X-UIDL: 82de497814b1883eda0754798b6d93c0 Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: Zoom 508 delay vs. Steinway pianos vs. Klein guitars Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 18:33:22 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:09 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 12:01:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4Fp-0002UM-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:00:53 -0700 From: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:36:31 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061436_MC2-17B8-C2FA@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"qNWPyD.A.xxB.C0Fmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:00:53 -0700 X-UIDL: d73dbe0ddb529d46f00f724a6e649c41 Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 18:36:28 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:06 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 11:54:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa49R-0001ow-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:54:17 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.compuserve.com Fri Jun 06 11:54:06 1997 Received: from dub-img-10.compuserve.com [149.174.206.140] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa498-0001gH-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:53:58 -0700 Received: by dub-img-10.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id OAA21244; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:32:31 -0400 From: Old-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:32:17 -0400 Subject: Message not deliverable To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061432_MC2-17B8-C2F1@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="9d1c2698-de9a-11d0-9d78-00805fea3c3d" X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:54:17 -0700 X-UIDL: d117ea2420d83723799329e69cfdb730 ----------------------------------- Forwarded ---------------------------------- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at CSERVE Date: Fri Jun 06 00:55:30 1997 To: Russell Gorton at CreatSvc-Ada Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by dub-img-2.com puserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id AAA17749; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 00:55:13 -0400 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZr3L-0006Kc-00; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 21:55:07 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:30:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Kim Corbet Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"lPCEO.A.30F.xe5lz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Russell_Gorton@creatsvc-ada.ccmail.compuserve.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 21:55:07 -0700 > >>>Strummed acoustically it is > >>>quite loud, like a 335. The resonance chamber does that for you. > >Well, I'm hardly an expert on guitar design, but as I understand, resonant > >chambers can add a lot of sustain and harmonic content. I think that's > I thought: > The chamber probably absorbs some energy from the cord and thus diminuishes > sustain. The loud acoustic sound confirms that. The sound energy you hear > is taken from the string and the more you take the quicker it is without, > which means less sustain. ......well, it seems to me "acoustics" differs from this point of view. the string vibrates...the chambers resonate. It's the amplification properties of the chambers themselves that create the sustain. Take an acoustic guitar without the huge box and you haven't got much. Play any hollowbody guitar vs. solid body...play through any good quality speaker cabinet and then through a speaker sitting on the workbench and you start to appreciate what "chambers" can do. From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:07 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 11:56:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4B7-00020N-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:56:01 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.compuserve.com Fri Jun 06 11:55:45 1997 Received: from hil-img-3.compuserve.com [149.174.177.133] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4Ae-0001qM-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:55:32 -0700 Received: by hil-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id OAA03504; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:36:47 -0400 From: Old-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:36:27 -0400 Subject: Message not deliverable To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061436_MC2-17A9-3D53@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0838a9b6-de9b-11d0-9d78-00805fea3c3d" X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:56:01 -0700 X-UIDL: 69e088e0b0e8bdc8e684a9819c42acb9 ----------------------------------- Forwarded ---------------------------------- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at CSERVE Date: Fri Jun 06 05:43:32 1997 To: Russell Gorton at CreatSvc-Ada Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by dub-img-3.com puserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id FAA23839; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 05:43:13 -0400 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZvY5-0002AG-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 02:43:09 -0700 Message-Id: <27285.199706060941@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:41:50 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar Resent-Message-ID: <"feuJ2D.A.m_B.8t9lz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Russell_Gorton@creatsvc-ada.ccmail.compuserve.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 02:43:09 -0700 >> >>>Strummed acoustically it is >> >>>quite loud, like a 335. The resonance chamber does that for you. > >> >Well, I'm hardly an expert on guitar design, but as I understand, resonant >> >chambers can add a lot of sustain and harmonic content. I think that's > >> I thought: >> The chamber probably absorbs some energy from the cord and thus diminuishes >> sustain. The loud acoustic sound confirms that. The sound energy you hear >> is taken from the string and the more you take the quicker it is without, >> which means less sustain. > >......well, it seems to me "acoustics" differs from this point of view. >the string vibrates...the chambers resonate. It's the amplification >properties of the chambers themselves that create the sustain. Take an >acoustic guitar without the huge box and you haven't got much. Play any >hollowbody guitar vs. solid body...play through any good quality speaker >cabinet and then through a speaker sitting on the workbench and you start >to appreciate what "chambers" can do. Dammit, this has got me thinking (oh, no, not again)! The reason an acoustic shifts air is that the bridge moves the top up'n'down due to string vibration. So some inergy is lost, although the guitar top effectively becomes part of the system (ie you're strumming the strings _and_ the top), and your initial pick strike will move the top. There will be a loss of energy due to the moving bridge, but it shouldn't be any more significant than the loss due to bridge movement on trem and non-trem guitars. OK there's an observable difference but we're still talking approximately the same sustain, not guitar-vs-banjo. The term "resonance" probably isn't very accurate - whilst chambers do have resonances, these are at specific frequencies - like the famous footage of Tacoma Bridge finding its resonance frequency!! Acoustic volume is entirely down to how much air you're shifting. If you take a solid gtr, the acoustic sound comes purely from the string since there's nowhere near enough energy to vibrate the 2"-thick body to any degree. In an acoustic, the string/top system vibrates the top, and the volume is equal to the total space enclosed by the top in its "extended" and "retracted" positions (ie the ends of its oscilation). This is the case for, say, an Ovation. For regular acoustics, you also couple the _back_ of the guitar into the system. The top moves forward, drops the pressure in the body, and "suck" the back of the body with it. This causes the back of the guitar to vibrate introducing another large sound-making area and increasing loudness. The shifted air from the exterior of the guitar's top disperses from all over the top (and is quiet) whilst the change of pressure inside the chamber has only one place to act through - the soundhole. The delay for sound travelling between top and back eill cause resonances - ie there will be frequencies where top and back will be "in plase" and summing their volumes, others where ther will be phase cancellation. Since the back's contribution will be smaller (due to losses in the body) this won't result in volume changes, but will "colour" the sound. I would guess that the frequency of these in vnversely proportinal to the depth of the guitar (ie sound gets deepwe ith increasing distance - ie wavelenght increases) Also, the acoustic coupling is more "spread out" through the chamber (think reverb) giving rise to more resonances and a richer sound. "Resonances" occur everywhere - the top, chamber, back etc occur everywhere which is why acoustic guitars are perceived to sound more "alive"; however they aren't why chambered guitars are louder - it's why they sound better. Acoustic volume is derived from the same source (the efficiency of the board) but not through resonances. To summarise, the volume of an acoustic is lastly louder, and the sustain only slightly lower, because the string is coupled into a single vibrating system with the top which is a very efficient way of moving air. IMHO...! Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:09 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 12:01:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4G4-0002WH-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:01:08 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.compuserve.com Fri Jun 06 12:00:44 1997 Received: from arl-img-10.compuserve.com [149.174.217.140] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4FW-0002MP-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:00:34 -0700 Received: by arl-img-10.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id NAA28719; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:55:42 -0400 From: Old-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:55:16 -0400 Subject: Message not deliverable To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061355_MC2-17A9-6F52@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="1d64c50f-de93-11d0-afca-00805fbe60fa" X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:01:08 -0700 X-UIDL: 9c5822e6bd871692e6ba7a95a66f8547 ----------------------------------- Forwarded ---------------------------------- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at CSERVE Date: Thu Jun 05 21:20:07 1997 To: Russell Gorton at CreatSvc-Ada Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by hil-img-5.com puserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id VAA27690; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 21:19:55 -0400 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZnfP-000044-00; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 18:18:11 -0700 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199706060114.SAA19722@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 18:14:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Kim Flint" at Jun 4, 97 00:09:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QxfkcD.A.rKH.dS2lz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Russell_Gorton@creatsvc-ada.ccmail.compuserve.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 18:18:11 -0700 Hi Kim, I recall you mentioning Lorenzo (of Steve Klein Guitars) being reluctant to install a Sustainiac circuit on a Klein. Was it just too much trouble because of the guitar design (can't find a place for the circuit board, etc.)? Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:21 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 12:32:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4kM-0005gr-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:32:26 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 15:02:27 -0400 (EDT) From: MiqSk8@aol.com Message-ID: <970606150132_-1998691223@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: funky messages Resent-Message-ID: <"ChgApC.A.01E.-RGmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:32:26 -0700 X-UIDL: 7a361cb0950b052ca8c04e05ab4ddebd what's up with all these delivery report messages i'm getting? am i the only one? >>Subj: Delivery Report Date: 97-06-06 03:15:27 EDT From: Gateway@CSERVE5.CCMAIL.compuserve.com Reply-to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: RE: Bob's steroidal JamMan implant Report Generation Time: 06/05/97 18:55:02 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Received: from emin02.mail.aol.com (emin02.mail.aol.com [ 152.163.125.51]) by jpin03.mail.aol.com with SMTP; Fri, 06 Jun 1997 02:15:26 1900 Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by emin02.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id DAA01006 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 03:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZtF1-0000B1-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 00:15:19 -0700 From: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:55:32 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706051455_MC2-17B8-BD0E@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"Ctoab.A.WD.qi7lz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: MiqSk8@aol.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 00:15:19 -0700 >>> From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:15 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 12:16:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4Ur-00048m-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:16:25 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970606120614.009f6100@pure.pureatria.com> X-Sender: sechevar@pure.pureatria.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 12:06:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Delivery Report In-Reply-To: <199706061433_MC2-17B8-545@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Xb8XsC.A.uAD.8_Fmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:16:25 -0700 X-UIDL: c82a738888215092d95f0fc4d08ba018 Is everybody getting these or just me? >Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE > Subject: Delivery Report > Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 18:32:18 (GMT+00:00) > Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized > > > > > From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:11 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 12:08:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4NT-0003KA-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:08:47 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.compuserve.com Fri Jun 06 12:08:28 1997 Received: from hil-img-7.compuserve.com [149.174.177.137] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4N3-0003Au-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:08:21 -0700 Received: by hil-img-7.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id NAA17383; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:55:43 -0400 From: Old-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:55:16 -0400 Subject: Message not deliverable To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061355_MC2-17A9-6F50@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="1e047b5c-de93-11d0-afca-00805fbe60fa" X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:08:47 -0700 X-UIDL: 949bf4aed6e348f3c2b2fc8b28060f66 ----------------------------------- Forwarded ---------------------------------- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at CSERVE Date: Thu Jun 05 20:49:23 1997 To: Russell Gorton at CreatSvc-Ada Subject: Re: Dork has more to say -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by dub-img-1.com puserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id UAA25369; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 20:49:15 -0400 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZnDL-0005lk-00; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 17:49:11 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:32:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Dork has more to say In-Reply-To: <9706028653.AA865308321@ns.faulkcomp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Y0PvF.A.MTF.e41lz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Russell_Gorton@creatsvc-ada.ccmail.compuserve.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 17:49:11 -0700 On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, mmason wrote: > I've got a Fender Musicmaster Bass amp, a 12 watt tube amp from 1978. > She sounds decent, but she makes a CRAPLOAD of noise. > > Any of you techno-smart loopin folks know any ways I could quiet her > down? What do you mean by "noise"? Not distortion, I hope. Ain't nuttin' you can do 'bout dat. At that age, she ought to be about due for a good restoration. The tubes will be gassy, and the electrolytic caps shot. Does it make popping sounds while it warms up? If so, it needs a cap job. Do that soon, lest a failed cap damage your tubes or cause some other horror. Do the tubes glow blue? If so, they're gassy, and need replaced. Do yourself a favor, and forget new tubes. Most modern Chinese and Russian tubes are *junk*. I just replaced a blown vintage Mullard EL34 in my stereo with a Groove Tubes EL34. The difference in manufacturing quality and sonics shocked me. The GT (a Chinese EL34) glows cherry red at the limits of its capabilities in this amp, while the 35 year old Mullards show no color at all, except for a tiny bit of gas in one. So, retube with good quality NOS (new old stock) vintage tubes. Try Steve at Angela Instruments (www.angela.com), an excellent straightforward guy. His web site has prices and descriptions for a wide variety of NOS tubes. As for a cap job... if you aren't afraid of a bit of soldering and understand the basics of electronics, it's pretty easy to do. If you don't know the proper precautions for dealing with high voltage, though, don't try it. Tube amp voltages will knock you on your ass bad. Take it to a respected local amp repair shop. While you're at it, if the amp doesn't have a three-prong cord, add one. Take good care of that little amp, and don't begrudge spending money on its health. Those low-powered Fenders are some of the best-sounding amps I've heard. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:12 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 12:11:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4Pj-0003Z9-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:11:07 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.compuserve.com Fri Jun 06 12:10:39 1997 Received: from hil-img-4.compuserve.com [149.174.177.134] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4P1-0003Nt-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:10:28 -0700 Received: by hil-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id OAA10373; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:33:08 -0400 From: Old-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:32:50 -0400 Subject: Message not deliverable To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061433_MC2-17B8-546@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="10232e28-de9b-11d0-91f8-00805fea3fcf" X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:11:07 -0700 X-UIDL: 53d44b3cdc35cb5c8b75b5c742e04fef ----------------------------------- Forwarded ---------------------------------- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at CSERVE Date: Fri Jun 06 03:15:20 1997 To: Russell Gorton at CreatSvc-Ada Subject: Delivery Report -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by dub-img-3.com puserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id DAA07641; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 03:14:51 -0400 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZtEU-00008U-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 00:14:46 -0700 From: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:55:32 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706051455_MC2-17B8-BD0E@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"Ctoab.A.WD.qi7lz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Russell_Gorton@creatsvc-ada.ccmail.compuserve.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 00:14:46 -0700 Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: RE: Bob's steroidal JamMan implant Report Generation Time: 06/05/97 18:55:02 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:13 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 12:13:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4RA-0003ji-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:12:36 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.compuserve.com Fri Jun 06 12:12:06 1997 Received: from hil-img-4.compuserve.com [149.174.177.134] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4Qa-0003Nt-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:12:00 -0700 Received: by hil-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id NAA03268; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:55:37 -0400 From: Old-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:55:16 -0400 Subject: Message not deliverable To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061355_MC2-17A9-6F51@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="1e047b59-de93-11d0-afca-00805fbe60fa" X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:12:37 -0700 X-UIDL: bc364bd42e4846c766dd19edd8a2d381 ----------------------------------- Forwarded ---------------------------------- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at CSERVE Date: Thu Jun 05 20:49:23 1997 To: Russell Gorton at CreatSvc-Ada Subject: Re: Dork has more to say -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by dub-img-1.com puserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id UAA25369; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 20:49:15 -0400 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZnDL-0005lk-00; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 17:49:11 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:32:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Dork has more to say In-Reply-To: <9706028653.AA865308321@ns.faulkcomp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Y0PvF.A.MTF.e41lz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Russell_Gorton@creatsvc-ada.ccmail.compuserve.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 17:49:11 -0700 On Mon, 2 Jun 1997, mmason wrote: > I've got a Fender Musicmaster Bass amp, a 12 watt tube amp from 1978. > She sounds decent, but she makes a CRAPLOAD of noise. > > Any of you techno-smart loopin folks know any ways I could quiet her > down? What do you mean by "noise"? Not distortion, I hope. Ain't nuttin' you can do 'bout dat. At that age, she ought to be about due for a good restoration. The tubes will be gassy, and the electrolytic caps shot. Does it make popping sounds while it warms up? If so, it needs a cap job. Do that soon, lest a failed cap damage your tubes or cause some other horror. Do the tubes glow blue? If so, they're gassy, and need replaced. Do yourself a favor, and forget new tubes. Most modern Chinese and Russian tubes are *junk*. I just replaced a blown vintage Mullard EL34 in my stereo with a Groove Tubes EL34. The difference in manufacturing quality and sonics shocked me. The GT (a Chinese EL34) glows cherry red at the limits of its capabilities in this amp, while the 35 year old Mullards show no color at all, except for a tiny bit of gas in one. So, retube with good quality NOS (new old stock) vintage tubes. Try Steve at Angela Instruments (www.angela.com), an excellent straightforward guy. His web site has prices and descriptions for a wide variety of NOS tubes. As for a cap job... if you aren't afraid of a bit of soldering and understand the basics of electronics, it's pretty easy to do. If you don't know the proper precautions for dealing with high voltage, though, don't try it. Tube amp voltages will knock you on your ass bad. Take it to a respected local amp repair shop. While you're at it, if the amp doesn't have a three-prong cord, add one. Take good care of that little amp, and don't begrudge spending money on its health. Those low-powered Fenders are some of the best-sounding amps I've heard. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:42 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 12:56:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa57F-00008J-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:56:05 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 15:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706061914.PAA01754@galileo.yesic.com> X-Sender: bfraser@mail.yesic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: bfraser@yesic.com (KoRn fReAk) Subject: Re: Delivery Report Resent-Message-ID: <"al-EWB.A.__G.boGmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:56:05 -0700 X-UIDL: 1045f270d26c067e61271071cc212f5c At 12:06 PM 6/6/97 -0700, you wrote: >Is everybody getting these or just me? > > >>Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE >> Subject: Delivery Report >> Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 18:32:18 (GMT+00:00) >> Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized >> >> >> >> >> > I'm getting 'em too. From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:16 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 12:17:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4Vs-0004G2-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:17:28 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.compuserve.com Fri Jun 06 12:17:04 1997 Received: from hil-img-10.compuserve.com [149.174.177.140] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4VH-000453-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:16:51 -0700 Received: by hil-img-10.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id NAA07586; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:58:51 -0400 From: Old-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:58:23 -0400 Subject: Message not deliverable To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061358_MC2-17B8-C290@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="b0d81f31-de95-11d0-a100-00805feaacd2" X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:17:28 -0700 X-UIDL: 9bb1ba9ba749bce2c8a548a4124898dd ----------------------------------- Forwarded ---------------------------------- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at CSERVE Date: Thu Jun 05 22:59:00 1997 To: Russell Gorton at CreatSvc-Ada Subject: Re: Zoom 508 delay vs. Steinway pianos vs. Klein guitars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by arl-img-9.com puserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id WAA29016; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 22:58:42 -0400 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZpEV-0006qt-00; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 19:58:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:02:28 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: Zoom 508 delay vs. Steinway pianos vs. Klein guitars Resent-Message-ID: <"XkTDiB.A.JVG.Fy3lz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Russell_Gorton@creatsvc-ada.ccmail.compuserve.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 19:58:31 -0700 Thank you TW Hartnett and Kevin Simpson for your provocative replies; we love good feedback. Gathering our loop adled thoughts, we must first apologize for the typos in the previous post. Second, we bring up the example of the proverbial five year old, because we have found that on stage with an audience staring us in the face, we have the intellectual and emotional resources available to the average five year old. Furthermore, we find that this isn't unusual for live musicians. Granted we have not administered a round of Piaget developmental tests to hundreds of musicians...but you get our point...live means stress, stress means a reduced ability to cope with awkwardly designed, poorly layed out equipment. Stress on stage can mean tears, fist pounding, and a pronounced inability to read, let alone find directions. Sounds like a five year old, doesn't it? On the other hand, both posters underestimate the acuity of your average five year old in non-stress situation. Ever seen one whip out something in Kid pix on a Mac or a Windows pc with a mouse? They get technology real fast when it's well designed. We do regret the price point comparison that our post inevitably brought up. No, a Klein guitar and a Steinway aren't in the same price range as a Zoom 508 (duh), but we were thinking about the resources available to the designers of these critters. When Henry Steinway and his boys built the ultimate piano, they had several years of experience building more conventional "box" piano in Germany and the feedback from players and builders. They listened and thought about their tradition and the musical ends. Interestingly, it's reported that Henry was losing his hearing and part of the reason the Steinways created the then radical soundboard was the need to make the piano loud enough so he could hear the notes being played in a 19th century concert hall. At the same time, one of his sons had become interested in the new science of acoustics developing in Germany. (Incidentally, T.W., far from being a "simple analogue device," a Steinway has several thousand parts. It's the INTERFACE that's simple and intuitive, not the instrument itself.) But back to the point...there were indeed centuries of experience and feedback from musicians and builders that finally contributed to this seminal design, but it was a family that paid close attention to the needs of players and their audience who got it right. There were also happy accidents that just don't seem to happen much in the corporate world, unless the corporation is really working on finding those accidents (like 3M with Post-its). As for Steve Klein. The guitars that bear his name are built in a barn...literally. The impetus for his ergonomic design came after years of thinking about the guitar and player's needs. It was also the marriage with Ned Steinbergers innovative and brilliant tuning system that created the beast. Again, two individuals obsessed with good design, the player's needs, and paying attention. Now, how much money do you think the people at ZOOM have to spend on product development as compared to a 19th century immigrant family living in New York in the 1850s, or a single offbeat and brilliant designer and guitar builder living in California? We would dare speculate that Zoom has much more in the way of resources and cold hard cash. And we don't see any contradiction in profit and good design. If the product is intuitive and easy to use, it should sell MORE and open up a bigger market. But excuse our cynicism, we think the impetus behind the Zoom 508 is the need to roll over the product line before the next Namm show. Unlike Klein and Steinway they have new models every year...and isn't it amazing that with all that practice they just can't quite seem to get it right! Could they be in the business of musical consumerism instead of the business of musical instrument making? ;) We don't think the people that put the Zoom 508 out have ever looped onstage live, or talked much to musicians who have. We think they think about margins, inventory, volume and product placement. They could be selling electric shavers just as easily as so called musical devices. And we are stunned that given the prior fifty years of recording that Zoom and others of their ilk can't make their machines more intuitive. And really, at four seconds of delay and with a lousy interface, plus you gotta pay extra for the pedal, is this thing REALLY a bargain? Will it help the musician make music or turn him off because of the limitations? Would a musician do better to save his pennies and spend the $550 bucks at Sam Ash to get a hold of the Oberheim? (And as we mentioned before, we have our gripes about our Echoplex too, but it's a thoughtful and sometimes brilliant effort at creating a musical instrument, and not must an offering to the alters of guitar consumerism). In summation, we don't care whether the technology behind a musical instrument is analogue or digital. We don't care about price points. The LoOpDoctOrs want to make live music and we want the best tools available, so spare us worrying about the suits at Zoom and their parituclar corporate/technological constraints. At the $100 price point you can find Casio watches and car stereo units that are just as complex in their menu driven choices as the Zoom 508 but much more intuitively designed, and yes, a child can figure these things out very quickly indeed. Finally we would love it if the folks at Zoom would study the evolution of the Steinway piano and the Klein guitar and then think, real hard, about how it might apply to their products. (hee hee, can't you just see the Zoom guys showing up for their tour of the Steinway factory of the Klein barn?) Better yet, think about the human body, the human mind, the human ear and the human hand and what they need need to make music. And you don't have to just go to analogue instrument makers for instruction either...how about some of the hipper software designers out there? As far as next year's model for next year's Namm show...Zoom, do your interface homework and skip the show. ;) Best, The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:29 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 12:39:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4r0-0006MO-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:39:18 -0700 Message-ID: <41DE695CE6FCCF11AD1000805FCCF8EC1BB2EE@SF-01-MSG.dns.microsoft.com> From: Tom Attix To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Delivery Report Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:18:08 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.30) Resent-Message-ID: <"I_O9y.A.TcF.HYGmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:39:18 -0700 X-UIDL: c255e643272d2c29d66fb231321b472e Yep. Somebody's server is bouncing stuff back to the list, isn't technology fun! > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Echevarria [SMTP:sechevar@PureAtria.COM] > Sent: Friday, June 06, 1997 12:16 PM > To: Tom Attix > Subject: Re: Delivery Report > > Is everybody getting these or just me? > > > >Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE > > Subject: Delivery Report > > Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 18:32:18 > (GMT+00:00) > > Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized > > > > > > > > > > From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:22 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 12:34:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4mE-0005to-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:34:22 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.CompuServe.COM Fri Jun 06 12:33:34 1997 Received: from arl-img-10.compuserve.com [149.174.217.140] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4lH-0005gl-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:33:23 -0700 Received: by arl-img-10.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id PAA13845; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 15:20:43 -0400 Old-Date: 06 Jun 97 15:18:32 EDT From: To: Cc: Subject: Message not deliverable Message-ID: <970606191831_702420.204300_BHD43-15@CompuServe.COM> X-Diagnostic: Mail to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com bounced 2 times X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:34:22 -0700 X-UIDL: 5dc5aebb8d9a1d191b0a8573a679ad65 ----------------------------------- Returned ----------------------------------- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at CSERVE Date: 6/6/97 10:30AM *To: INTERNET:LOOPERS-DELIGHT@ANNIHILIST.COM at CSERVE Subject: questions for one and all ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ============== Begin part 2 ========================== Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by arl-img-9.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id FAA07087; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 05:22:22 -0400 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZvDt-0001Yn-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 02:22:17 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 18:15:28 -0400 (EDT) From: MiqSk8@aol.com Message-ID: <970605181439_372875049@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: questions for one and all Resent-Message-ID: <"O_1rQB.A.wXB.Qa9lz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Russell_Gorton@creatsvc-ada.ccmail.compuserve.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 02:22:17 -0700 has anyone here on the list seen the david torn instructional videos? i'm still pretty new at looping but have a fairly firm grasp on signal processing; would these be of worth ($69+) to me? what do they cover, and are they more theory based or just the "look what cool sound i get out of this cool box" type thing? on to more real loopy stuff... has anyone here ever seen the Joni Mitchell concert video Shadows and Light? Her band at the time was michael brecker, don elias, lyle mays, pat metheny, and the monster known as jaco pastorious. jaco's solo takes advantage of the lexicon(judging by the blue on the box) delay to build a quick loop to blow over. it's really cool, grooving(of course), and jaco just has the technology dialed in. warning:this solo does not appear on the cd! sorry to bring up the zoom 508 again, but... if you were to pony up for the expression pedal to go with it, what parameters are controlable by it? feedback, delay level, delay time? is it's output true stereo? could delays be panable? i have for a while been considering two parallel signal chains fed by a panning pedal allowing me to mix (or ultimately choose one of) two considerably different sounds on the fly-kind of the poor man's morphing, only not so processor dependent/intensive. btw, has any heard the zoom 507 reverb pedal as well? and now for the big kahuna- what is it that all of us are trying to achieve by looping? i'm really interested in the sounds coming out of this group. Atmospheres? Textures? "Sound Carpets"? Precision Pointillism? Industrial Indigestion? or more of the compositional types of multiple loops created on the fly and then swapped between? in other words a way to build traditional sections of composition to be arranged. i realize this predates the looper's cd, but i think it would be cool for us to get an idea of what's going on with all this equipment and talent and ... personally i'm still struggling with all the abilities of the 'plex and the timing of using next loop-so i'm concentrating more on the single loop. it's amazing how varied the result can be by taking different approaches (chordal, linear, heavy, ethereal, synchronized, chaos). i am constantly just letting it go onto tape. (i'm spending all weekend in the california mountains to go through them all!) ============== End part 2 ============================ From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:29 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 12:41:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4tT-0006bi-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:41:51 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.compuserve.com Fri Jun 06 12:41:26 1997 Received: from dub-img-4.compuserve.com [149.174.206.134] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4sz-0006Sl-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:41:21 -0700 Received: by dub-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id OAA10892; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:32:30 -0400 From: Old-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:32:17 -0400 Subject: Message not deliverable To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061432_MC2-17B8-C2F2@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="9d1c2695-de9a-11d0-9d78-00805fea3c3d" X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:41:51 -0700 X-UIDL: 6f91386619f1fcb59ede5d81f8fe0d06 ----------------------------------- Forwarded ---------------------------------- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at CSERVE Date: Fri Jun 06 04:02:55 1997 To: Russell Gorton at CreatSvc-Ada Subject: Delivery Report -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by arl-img-9.com puserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id EAA29456; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 04:02:42 -0400 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZtyn-00031a-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 01:02:37 -0700 From: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 16:30:54 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706051631_MC2-17A9-6929@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"BlrsV.A._wC.nP8lz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Russell_Gorton@creatsvc-ada.ccmail.compuserve.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 01:02:37 -0700 Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: Looping in London Report Generation Time: 06/05/97 20:30:24 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:54:15 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 17:25:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa9JY-0007V3-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 17:25:04 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:42:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Kim Corbet Subject: Re: Delivery Report To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970606120614.009f6100@pure.pureatria.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"75vpXD.A.5wG.AmKmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 17:25:04 -0700 X-UIDL: 734857efa0256854902a0aabf43f04ab On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Sean Echevarria wrote: > Is everybody getting these or just me? > > .......I'm pretty sure it's just you, man. are you feeling okay? > >Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE > > Subject: Delivery Report > > Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 18:32:18 (GMT+00:00) > > Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized > > > > > > > > > > > > From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:39 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 12:50:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa51Z-0007OH-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:50:13 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.compuserve.com Fri Jun 06 12:49:54 1997 Received: from hil-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.177.135] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa519-0007FX-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:49:47 -0700 Received: by hil-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id OAA24732; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:31:30 -0400 From: Old-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:31:12 -0400 Subject: Message not deliverable To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061431_MC2-17B8-C2E6@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="ff587ac7-de9a-11d0-afca-00805fbe60fa" X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:50:13 -0700 X-UIDL: 92473ff9a68021f6bdd630d4a57fa3f4 ----------------------------------- Forwarded ---------------------------------- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at CSERVE Date: Thu Jun 05 23:10:26 1997 To: Russell Gorton at CreatSvc-Ada Subject: Re: Dork has more to say -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by hil-img-6.com puserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id XAA07069; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 23:10:13 -0400 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZpEQ-0006qV-00; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 19:58:26 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 18:12:42 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: Dork has more to say Resent-Message-ID: <"3c5TxB.A.uPG.2w3lz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Russell_Gorton@creatsvc-ada.ccmail.compuserve.com Resent-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 19:58:26 -0700 You wrote: > >Do yourself a favor, and forget new tubes. Most modern Chinese and >Russian tubes are *junk*. I just replaced a blown vintage Mullard >EL34 in my stereo with a Groove Tubes EL34. The difference in >manufacturing quality and sonics shocked me. The GT (a Chinese EL34) >glows cherry red at the limits of its capabilities in this amp, while >the 35 year old Mullards show no color at all, except for a tiny bit >of gas in one. > >So, retube with good quality NOS (new old stock) vintage tubes. Try >Steve at Angela Instruments (www.angela.com), an excellent >straightforward guy. His web site has prices and descriptions for a >wide variety of NOS tubes. The new Svetlana EL-34s are excellent. Much better then the old Sovtek's or anything Chinese, and I like them better then the East German tubes I've jused. In fact, they are in the same sonic ballpark as my old Mullards. Longevity remains a question since I've only been using them a couple of months, but so far so good. Best, Kevin From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:40 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 12:50:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa51g-0007P7-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:50:20 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.compuserve.com Fri Jun 06 12:50:06 1997 Received: from hil-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.177.135] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa51I-0007FX-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:49:57 -0700 Received: by hil-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id OAA25139; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:33:34 -0400 From: Old-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:33:22 -0400 Subject: Message not deliverable To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061433_MC2-17B8-C2F5@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="bda1b392-de9a-11d0-afca-00805fbe60fa" X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:50:20 -0700 X-UIDL: 3be5bbf36e42726162e06d4e97c53b40 ----------------------------------- Forwarded ---------------------------------- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at CSERVE Date: Fri Jun 06 04:53:37 1997 To: Russell Gorton at CreatSvc-Ada Subject: Re: Zoom 508 delay vs. Steinway pianos vs. Klein guitars -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by hil-img-7.com puserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id EAA09120; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 04:53:29 -0400 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wZulw-0006yD-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 01:53:24 -0700 Message-Id: <26056.199706060850@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 09:50:48 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Re: Zoom 508 delay vs. Steinway pianos vs. Klein guitars Resent-Message-ID: <"BiPsjB.A.ZYG.b-8lz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Russell_Gorton@creatsvc-ada.ccmail.compuserve.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 01:53:24 -0700 The Doctors have made the point that a Zoom box is far less intuitive to use out of the box than a Klein or Steinway (do pianos come in boxes?). However, I'd make 2 points about that - 1. These instruments abe both largely acoustic, ie sound generators. You hit something, it makes a noise. The kid could be playing Cage in minutes. :) With the Zoom, they'd need to know what to do with the instrument first, then once it's plugged in I'm sure they'd find something cool in the echo FX even without the looper going. 2. Whilst the "ease of use" is fine for piano or guitar, I'd hazard a guess that left with something from the Brass section (sax, trumpet, tuba) they'd be left making farting noises for days. Does this mean brass instruments are badly designed, or merely that they require a degree of skill in order to use? This counts for bowed strings too. Finally, you say that kids should save the extra for an EDP. Over here that's about $600 up in price, and quite honestly I couldn't justify spending that much on a looper myself. Zoom fill a market need for cheap'n'cheerful, if mediocre, processors. And I'll bet the Zoom outsells the EDP, JM and Rang by bucketloads... Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:45 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 13:20:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa5Uf-0002LZ-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:20:17 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970606202229.00a87150@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 13:22:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: funky messages Resent-Message-ID: <"2D2RpB.A.ktB.q-Gmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:20:17 -0700 X-UIDL: 1761ab917fcb1d411aa7186aa9f52af1 Everybody is getting them, sorry. A particular list member's mail server is having troubles and posting bounce messages to the list. He knows about and hopefully is getting his provider to fix it. If it continues to be a problem, I'll take him off the list for a while when I get home, until he can get it fixed. kim At 03:02 PM 6/6/97 -0400, you wrote: >what's up with all these delivery report messages i'm getting? am i the only >one? > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:48 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 13:47:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa5uN-0004qw-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:46:51 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970606204807.00695d20@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com> X-Sender: cavaleri@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 13:48:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joe Cavaleri Subject: Re: Delivery Report Resent-Message-ID: <"4wjmkB.A.B-D.PXHmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:46:52 -0700 X-UIDL: c73e2240f5d57a5fbf2b156c3c6ca6ab everybody At 12:06 PM 6/6/97 -0700, you wrote: >Is everybody getting these or just me? > > >>Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE >> Subject: Delivery Report >> Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 18:32:18 (GMT+00:00) >> Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized >> >> >> >> >> > > > From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:55 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 14:42:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa6mT-0002hx-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:42:45 -0700 From: "Angie Rice" To: Subject: Re: Has anyone received a backordered Plex yet? Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:36:52 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199706061935.3867300@taascforce.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"oKXvtD.A.rEC.xMImz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:42:45 -0700 X-UIDL: eb169ed74081fab8034d01ad20c63cc2 > > Just wondering if any of you who have had an Echoplex on back order, > > actually received it yet? I know according to kim and Oberheim's customer > > service (Dean Fouts) they are being shipped out but I haven't heard of > > anybody getting one yet. > > > > Ed > > I received my Echoplex yesterday, which I ordered back in March or April. > It was definitely worth the wait! > > -Art My bandmate ordered one from Sam Ash in December, and was told just last week that even though the new ones were supposedly coming out, that they (Sam Ash) had received no information and it seemed as if they would not be getting any in. So they refunded his money and he's royally pissed. Anyone know what's up? Justin Rice From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:54:10 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 16:44:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa86o-0001C2-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:07:50 -0700 From: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:02:21 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061902_MC2-17A9-3F4F@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"f_e9G.A.Oq.cdJmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:07:50 -0700 X-UIDL: e2e0de2ef20cd6bbd888e61d6381c344 Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: fun with retriggering and anti-guitar diatribes Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 23:02:20 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:54:08 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 16:36:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa88t-0001RC-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:09:59 -0700 From: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:03:26 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061903_MC2-17A9-3F52@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"kTTbrD.A.mx.heJmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:09:59 -0700 X-UIDL: 5c77aaab4ed2f04a966ee435e220ddd3 Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Delivery Report Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 23:03:23 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:54:15 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 17:14:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa88s-0001RG-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:09:58 -0700 From: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:03:27 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061903_MC2-17A9-3F53@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"PsCVhC.A.Fv.ReJmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:09:58 -0700 X-UIDL: 917f3aa19d45f6cd8dd22c4b9f98da1d Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Delivery Report Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 23:03:23 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:53:59 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 16:03:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa830-0000hJ-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:03:54 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.compuserve.com Fri Jun 06 16:03:49 1997 Received: from arl-img-2.compuserve.com [149.174.217.132] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa82s-0000bp-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:03:46 -0700 Received: by arl-img-2.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id TAA25278; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:02:45 -0400 From: Old-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:02:19 -0400 Subject: Message not deliverable To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061902_MC2-17A9-3F4C@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="3830f872-dec0-11d0-b412-00805feae8d8" X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:03:54 -0700 X-UIDL: 8144ac9dde47f9ea49520dd746528307 ----------------------------------- Forwarded ---------------------------------- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at CSERVE Date: Fri Jun 06 14:25:28 1997 To: Russell Gorton at CreatSvc-Ada Subject: fun with retriggering and anti-guitar diatribes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by hil-img-6.com puserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id OAA25937; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:25:08 -0400 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa3hA-0001TI-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:25:04 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:15:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: fun with retriggering and anti-guitar diatribes Resent-Message-ID: <"MwvlGB.A.XUB.8UFmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Russell_Gorton@creatsvc-ada.ccmail.compuserve.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:25:04 -0700 Hi everyone- Last night I was amusing myself with a loop technique that I though I'd share with the group. But first, a mini diatribe about guitars and their owners! I've played guitar since I was 7. It wasn't even my idea, my parents just signed me up for the lessons. It's ok, I enjoy playing, so I forgive them for that. But I guess being around the damn thing for so long has driven me to boredom. Talking about guitars has gotten dull. Listening to guitar music has gotten very dull. And my playing of the guitar is frequently hitting periods of indifference. I guess that's what leads me in more exotic directions both in listening and creating. But everywhere I go: guitar, guitar, guitar. Yawn, yawn, yawn. Why is it that when a few guitar players are around, that's all they talk about? I'm pretty guilty myself, but it's always kind of self-conscious. I'm thinking, if I'm bored, that poor theremin player in the corner must be dying! So anyway, the point is, I'm going to spend more of my limited time here talking about looping, and less about guitars. [Don't take this as "list-owner exerting power" or anything. All you other guitar players feel free to talk about it all you like here. If it's important to your music, it's relevent. Censorship ain't my thing.] Now, Looping! I was playing with retriggering loops. I like this effect, probably because I heard hip-hoppers doing it at a young age or something. I like making the little stuttering sounds. This time, however, I did something a little different. I had recorded a rhythmic sort of loop, 4 bars of 4/4 I think. There were some overdubs, so it was a reasonably full sounding loop, but not very dense. So then I started retriggering it. (mute-insert on the plex. Each insert then retriggers again) For some reason I let it play longer than usual before retriggering, and realized I had just thrown a 3/4 bar into my groove. Cool! I proceeded to go nuts with time signatures, by retriggering my loop at different points in the rhythm, and continuing to do it to get a new groove. Performing with the retrigger actually! I found that I could easily convert my 4/4 groove to 3/4, 5/4, 7/4, 7/8, whatever. Each one had an interesting new character of it's own. Some ideas I had were: (each of these are one pass, and should be repeated to get a groove) Retr - beat - Retr - beat - beat 5/4 Retr - beat - beat - beat - beat 5/4 Retr - beat - Retr - beat - Retr - beat - beat 7/4 Retr - beat - beat - Retr - beat - beat - beat different 7/4 well, you get the idea. Different initial loop content resulted in different sorts of new rhthyms. Each one developed all sorts of new characters as the time signature was dynamically changed. anyway, gotta go. have fun! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? 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Fri Jun 06 23:54:03 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 16:07:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa85q-00011T-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:06:50 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.compuserve.com Fri Jun 06 16:06:10 1997 Received: from hil-img-6.compuserve.com [149.174.177.136] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa84x-0000nc-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:05:55 -0700 Received: by hil-img-6.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id TAA16027; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:04:54 -0400 From: Old-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:04:24 -0400 Subject: Message not deliverable To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061904_MC2-17A9-71A2@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="fa580ffe-dec0-11d0-afca-00805fbe60fa" X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:06:50 -0700 X-UIDL: 81659270f6cac35debf2cea2d95be6c1 ----------------------------------- Forwarded ---------------------------------- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at CSERVE Date: Fri Jun 06 15:11:10 1997 To: Russell Gorton at CreatSvc-Ada Subject: Re: Delivery Report -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by arl-img-8.com puserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id PAA21754; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 15:10:56 -0400 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4PL-0003WS-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:10:43 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970606120614.009f6100@pure.pureatria.com> X-Sender: sechevar@pure.pureatria.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 12:06:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Delivery Report In-Reply-To: <199706061433_MC2-17B8-545@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Xb8XsC.A.uAD.8_Fmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Russell_Gorton@creatsvc-ada.ccmail.compuserve.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:10:43 -0700 Is everybody getting these or just me? >Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE > Subject: Delivery Report > Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 18:32:18 (GMT+00:00) > Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized > > > > > From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:54:12 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 16:59:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa86A-00014W-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:07:10 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.compuserve.com Fri Jun 06 16:06:13 1997 Received: from arl-img-9.compuserve.com [149.174.217.139] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa855-0000oV-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:06:03 -0700 Received: by arl-img-9.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id TAA04219; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:05:01 -0400 From: Old-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:04:25 -0400 Subject: Message not deliverable To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061904_MC2-17A9-71A4@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="09f0aa86-debf-11d0-a100-00805feaacd2" X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:07:10 -0700 X-UIDL: 1887cab30defd3d99a0787241fd02c6f ----------------------------------- Forwarded ---------------------------------- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at CSERVE Date: Fri Jun 06 15:11:46 1997 To: Russell Gorton at CreatSvc-Ada Subject: Delivery Report -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by dub-img-2.com puserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id PAA18351; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 15:11:33 -0400 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4Q1-0003bd-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:11:25 -0700 From: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:33:28 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061433_MC2-17A9-3D4E@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"E3dgJB.A.KGD.zAGmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Russell_Gorton@creatsvc-ada.ccmail.compuserve.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:11:25 -0700 Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: Zoom 508 delay vs. Steinway pianos vs. Klein guitars Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 18:33:22 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:54:08 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 16:37:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa88q-0001R2-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:09:56 -0700 Message-ID: <33989837.49DB@crystalball.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 18:07:35 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@crystalball.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Newlooper References: <3391961C.5D24@cam.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4SUGeD.A.P0.4eJmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:09:56 -0700 X-UIDL: 8901bcba0d0bbd3efd2c1469e582ca91 Isagil wrote: > Since the JamMan is sold out and part of history, I thought buying an > Echoplex would be a good deal. I found your mailing list just yesterday - > many persons seem to be using that Echoplex around here. Any comments > regarding that tool? Victor Wooten uses Boomerang Phrase Samplers, and he ain't no ordinary bass player. He did a tour with himself, a drummer and a Rang. I didn't see it but have talked to two people who have and they said his performances were amazing. Motley From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:54:14 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 17:11:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa86p-0001Bh-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:07:51 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.CompuServe.COM Fri Jun 06 16:07:07 1997 Received: from arl-img-3.compuserve.com [149.174.217.133] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa85m-0000te-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:06:46 -0700 Received: by arl-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id TAA20328; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:05:44 -0400 Old-Date: 06 Jun 97 19:04:33 EDT From: To: Cc: Subject: Message not deliverable Message-ID: <970606230433_702420.204300_BHD43-35@CompuServe.COM> X-Diagnostic: Mail to AMG@CDS9373.CADENCE.COM bounced 1 times X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:07:51 -0700 X-UIDL: 338f692b453a5ef730c3e8ae04c07c64 ----------------------------------- Returned ----------------------------------- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at CSERVE Date: 6/6/97 2:50PM *To: INTERNET:LOOPERS-DELIGHT@ANNIHILIST.COM at CSERVE *cc: INTERNET:AMG@CDS9373.CADENCE.COM at CSERVE Subject: Re: Has anyone received a backordered Plex yet? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ============== Begin part 2 ========================== Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by hil-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id OAA26551; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:42:02 -0400 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa3x6-0000PV-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:41:32 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:36:57 -0700 From: Arthur Gatesy Message-Id: <199706061736.KAA22898@cds9373.Cadence.COM> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Has anyone received a backordered Plex yet? Cc: amg@cds9373.Cadence.COM Resent-Message-ID: <"Qz3iaC.A.xI.UlFmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Russell_Gorton@creatsvc-ada.ccmail.compuserve.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 11:41:32 -0700 > Hello fellow loopers, > > Just wondering if any of you who have had an Echoplex on back order, > actually received it yet? I know according to kim and Oberheim's customer > service (Dean Fouts) they are being shipped out but I haven't heard of > anybody getting one yet. > > Ed I received my Echoplex yesterday, which I ordered back in March or April. It was definitely worth the wait! -Art ============== End part 2 ============================ From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:54:06 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 16:18:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa8Gr-000293-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:18:13 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.compuserve.com Fri Jun 06 16:18:10 1997 Received: from dub-img-9.compuserve.com [149.174.206.139] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa8Gn-00025P-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:18:09 -0700 Received: by dub-img-9.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id TAA22385; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:06:01 -0400 From: Old-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:05:28 -0400 Subject: Message not deliverable To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061905_MC2-17B8-74B@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="33186ce6-debf-11d0-9cb7-00805feacc26" X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:18:13 -0700 X-UIDL: f4a1467cc473dc9bf6992e425a37b9d7 ----------------------------------- Forwarded ---------------------------------- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at CSERVE Date: Fri Jun 06 15:15:20 1997 To: Russell Gorton at CreatSvc-Ada Subject: Delivery Report -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by arl-img-10.co mpuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id PAA12020; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 15:14:55 -0400 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa4T9-0003y2-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:14:39 -0700 From: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 13:55:48 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706061356_MC2-17B8-4F9@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"p6XZvB.A.jeD.QEGmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Russell_Gorton@creatsvc-ada.ccmail.compuserve.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:14:39 -0700 Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 17:55:17 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:54:10 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 16:40:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa8cJ-0003f5-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:40:23 -0700 Message-ID: <3398A10D.7F18@crystalball.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 18:45:18 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@crystalball.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: wake up! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4R_8XC.A.hMD.x8Jmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:40:23 -0700 X-UIDL: 686d54c3e15bb6c9c39c9fa10c8f0b2e Matthias Grob wrote: > By the way: how do you want us to call you? Mr. Nelson? Mike? Mikell? Motley? Hmmmm... All of these are far superior to some names I've been called, but I'd say let your mood dictate. I'll respond to all. Motley Shut up Motley! Don't listen to him. (Mikell) Will you guys chill. (Mr. Nelson) Can I talk now? (Mike) Really. We, er, uh, I will respond to any reasonable name. (Motley) From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:54:11 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 16:55:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa8rG-0004wC-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:55:50 -0700 Message-ID: <3398A438.6E5@crystalball.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 18:58:48 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@crystalball.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Zoom 508 delay vs. Steinway pianos vs. Klein guitars References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"fGFdE.A.3ME.kJKmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:55:50 -0700 X-UIDL: a182caecc033807f5eb6ba129fb36f98 mgsam@wave.net wrote: > Thanks for your informative post about the Zoom 508 but the LoOpDoctOrs > must take issue with this destructive notion that looping is largely in the > realm of the studio. We want equipment that words LIVE and in the studio. > We are not happy with the mindset that produces technology that can only be > accessed if you "have the instructions." > > We are excited about both the Jamman and Echoplex, however, at the same > time, we are deeply disgruntled with the state of their ergonomic art. > > In short, the Loopdoctors while not starving exactly, remain darn hungry > when it comes to looper ergonomics. > > The LoOpDoctOrs OK, I'm going to take off the flack jacket and open myself up. What do the LoOpDoctOrs think of the user interface/use-ability/ergonomics of the Boomerang Phrase Sampler? Humbly waiting, Motley From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:54:13 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 17:09:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wa946-00064S-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 17:09:06 -0700 Message-ID: <3398A4AF.76A2@crystalball.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 19:00:47 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@crystalball.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Delivery Report References: <2.2.32.19970606204807.00695d20@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qGl8VB.A.kYF.9WKmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 17:09:06 -0700 X-UIDL: bb184ba7e0d1ab9eef9f660f542daa31 Joe Cavaleri wrote: > > >Is everybody getting these or just me? > > > > > >>Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE > >> Subject: Delivery Report > >> Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 18:32:18 (GMT+00:00) > >> Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized > >> I'm getting tons of them! What's up? Motley From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:54:25 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 19:40:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0waBR2-0000PH-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:40:56 -0700 X-Sender: jtaylor@scsn.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jay Taylor Subject: Re: Delivery Report Message-Id: Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:38:15 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: <"5B4jpC.A.HM.bmMmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:40:56 -0700 X-UIDL: 4537ac34cd7feeeae98ca53cb33ed316 ME TOO GET THESE THINGS OUTA HERE. At 12:04 PM 6/6/97 -0400, you wrote: >Yeah, I'm getting about 20 a day or more. :( > >Sean Echevarria wrote: >> >> Is everybody getting these or just me? >> >> >Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE >> > Subject: Delivery Report >> > Report Generation Time: 06/06/97 18:32:18 (GMT+00:00) >> > Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > Jay Taylor Reporter P.O. Box 1333 The State (a Knight-Ridder newspaper) Columbia, S.C. 29201 (803) 771-8549 fax: (803) 771-8430, 8480 jtaylor@scsn.net From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:54:31 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 19:59:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0waBit-0001YU-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:59:23 -0700 Message-ID: <3398CE7F.6A24@bgnet.bgsu.edu> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 22:59:11 -0400 From: Jeff Schwartz X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JM Memory update-'rang ergonomics-Braxton References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2IkYcB.A.xOB.a3Mmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:59:23 -0700 X-UIDL: 3dc00ca8571252fa809a83a97473f340 So, my JamMan RAM came today from visionsoft-which appears to specialize in Amiga computer stuff. It was no problem installing them and I am now digging the loong loopage. It was under $50-very cool. Any of you mad scientist types want the old chips? I'll trade 'em for a a tape or something. Oddly, the first effect of having 32 seconds of looping instead of 8 has been to make me more conservative-instead of building ambient textures etc, my instinct is to lay down a 8 or 12 bar chord pattern and play leads in a pretty traditional way. I'm sure this is just because I couldn't lay down these kinds of patterns before so it's, like, new. So now a question. Since I got the additional memory, I was excited to do the multiple loop thing, so I hooked up the second JM footswitch for Function/Select, and it ain't working right. When the second footswitch is connected, the first one (Reset/Byp/Tap) doesn't work. What's the deal? The first footswitch is the one that came with the unit; the second is a generic one that came shrinkwrapped to a piece of cardboard hanging on a pegboard at the music store (as is the 2nd stereo cord). I'm thinking maybe I got the wrong kind of 1/4" stereo cord. Now, I'm not a loopdoctor or anything, but the one time I tried the Boomerang, I couldn't get it to work. Granted, I was at Guitar Center in Hollywood and the clerk dude had no idea what the 'rang was (this was about a year ago-I don't know if it's useful for Motley to send 'em hate mail, this cat was just on a trip where he wanted to sell Grunge (TM) distortions and CryBabies to teen boys), andhe wouldn't get the manual. I guess what I'm saying is that I think the interface arguement is really complicated. I think it would be really arrogant for me to say that, since it wasn't immediately visually obvious how the thing worked that it was a bad design-no gear is that intuitive (example-a guitarist I played with bought an overdrive, a yellow box with level and gain knobs and a footswitch. He never figured out that he should set the level knob in relation to the level of his clean sound). I don't really know what I'm saying-yes I do-I don't think the folks at DOD made a poorly designed overdrive; I think this guitarist was not very clever. I love the design of my Digitech PDS 1002 2 second delay (which I used as my only looper for 5 years before buying the JM). There's a switch for delay range (125ms, 500ms, 2sec), knobs for time, regeneration, mix, output, and input. There are two footswitcheswith LEDs-one marked "repeat hold" and the other "bypass." When the bypass light is off, the delayed sound is not heard. When the repeat hold light is on, the sound in the delay continues playing and any new input is passed through, not delayed. The first time I tried this box it made sense and I understood how to use it as a looper. Granted, it's wrong to have the bypass switch light off when the effect is bypassed-they really should have labeled that switch something like "engage." Still, this little dude is a really flexable looping too-better than any of the rack delays of similar vintage collecting dust at the local music store. At the same time, it's pretty useless if you want to play loops in time with other musicians, unless they follow me. Tap tempo rules for that. I tried the 8 second version of the Digitech double-wide and it was impossible. Exactly the same layout, but I think the delay ranges were 500ms, 2sec, and 8sec-trying to match a tempo in the 2-8 second range using a knob with no display was just not humanly possible. I guess what I'm trying to get to is my feeling that a lot of the things I want gear to do are not things that can be presented in something like a DOD overdrive or a Fender Princeton amp, which can be operated without reading the directions by anyone who's not a complete pinhead. If the JM didn't come with directions I'm pretty sure I'd have no idea what to do with it (the same way I felt trying to use the 'rang at McGuitar Center relying only on my experience of other delay devices and a vague recollection of a Guitar Player review. So, there's stuff which is intuitive (fuzzbox) and stuff which is not (JamMan), and then there's stuff which, once somebody tells you how it works, is logical to operate (most looping devices) and stuff that is not (bassoon). I dunno where all this is going. Probably everything I said is totally obvious to people who actually design stuff, but it seemed useful to me to work it out aloud. Here's a bonus non-gear point. Check out Anthony Braxton if you haven't already. He does a lot of different compositional stuff involving repetition and juxtaposition and has a very involved logical system including a catalog of different kinds of repetition. I particularly dig his Composition 23C (his pieces have complicated graphic titles and are usually know by number instead) on the Arista LP New York, Fall 1974. It's a series of 12 phrases, repeated, adding a phrase each time, so it's played: 1, 1+2,1+2+3, 1+2+3+4, etc. Flute, muted trumpet, and upright bass play the melody in unision while the drummer improvises. It's a kind of repetition I've never heard used before, and it's cool because familiar material keeps reoccuring, so it seems song-like, but the length of the song form keeps changing. You could play a tune like this like an accordion too-in 23c the form just gets longer, but there's not reason not to shrink it back down again or slide it up and down, maybe using hand signals to cue the band to add or subtract a phrase like in one of John Zorn's game pieces. Why not use this as a game, like one of those drinking games where the idea is to force your opponent to take off the last phrase? I have no idea how we can do this kind of thing with looping delays, but it's probably pretty easy in CSound or other compositional software. Anyway, check out Braxton. Graham Lock's book Forces in Motion does a pretty good job of translating Braxton's ideas into regular English, and I'm a big fan of his 70s quartet with Dave Holland, Barry Altschul, and either Kenny Wheeler or George Lewis. You can find a leadsheet for 23c in Ronald Radano's dissertation on Braxton (but not in the published book version) if you have a good music library handy. -- Jeff Schwartz jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html From ???@??? Fri Jun 06 23:54:33 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 6 22:39:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0waEDu-0001sG-00; Fri, 6 Jun 1997 22:39:34 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970607054455.0094dfe0@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 22:44:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Delivery Report Resent-Message-ID: <"TVKE2C.A.ulB.3NPmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 22:39:34 -0700 X-UIDL: 22a073485f9f577f3c5c5067fae9dff8 sorry, I'm still in Scummydale. I'll remove the offending address from the list when I get home, unless it's managed to fix itself by now. Oh, and here's a fun pop quiz: How many more bounce messages do we all get if 39 people say "me too"? kim At 07:38 PM 6/6/97 -0700, you wrote: >ME TOO GET THESE THINGS OUTA HERE. > > >At 12:04 PM 6/6/97 -0400, you wrote: >>Yeah, I'm getting about 20 a day or more. :( >> >>Sean Echevarria wrote: >>> >>> Is everybody getting these or just me? >>> ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Sat Jun 07 00:36:32 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 7 00:36:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0waG2v-0006to-00; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 00:36:21 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199706061935.3867300@taascforce.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 00:12:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Has anyone received a backordered Plex yet? Resent-Message-ID: <"xt-_s.A._TG.47Qmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 00:36:21 -0700 X-UIDL: 0cfeceb212dcfe74f7fa57a7a2bed838 Status: O X-Status: At 4:36 PM -0500 6/6/97, Angie Rice wrote: >> I received my Echoplex yesterday, which I ordered back in March or April. >> It was definitely worth the wait! >> >> -Art > >My bandmate ordered one from Sam Ash in December, and was told just last >week that even though the new ones were supposedly coming out, that they >(Sam Ash) had received no information and it seemed as if they would not >be getting any in. So they refunded his money and he's royally pissed. >Anyone know what's up? > >Justin Rice I would say that this is very lame on the part of Sam Ash, and your friend should order from somebody else. "Oberheim is shipping product now, so we're going to cancel your order." duhhhh...... If you call Oberheim, they can help you find a dealer. Obie's number is 510-635-9633. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Jun 07 00:36:31 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 7 00:21:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0waFoa-00062P-00; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 00:21:32 -0700 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 00:18:28 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: questions for one and all Resent-Message-ID: <"ZBn6TD.A.GjF.KuQmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 00:21:32 -0700 X-UIDL: 2103ddfc583e1aac96bf75a5249f972d Status: O X-Status: Travis, you write... "It's a simple pedal with more memory than ANY other pedal I know of, at that price point. That I believe is it's selling point. It's not as rugged as the Boss pedals, but it's costs half as much, is programmable, and has four-seconds of delay. " We think DOD has had a four second sample and hold pedal out for over a year. It's the FX-94 or FX-96 or something...and they're selling at $109 from Musician's Discount Warehouse. It was reviewed in Guitar Player. We have not had a chance to try it out though. Best, The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Sat Jun 07 00:36:33 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 7 00:37:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0waG3s-0006yl-00; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 00:37:20 -0700 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 03:34:06 -0400 (EDT) From: BlkSwan03@aol.com Message-ID: <970607033405_189124026@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: questions for one and all Resent-Message-ID: <"bQP2WB.A.-XG.t8Qmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 00:37:20 -0700 X-UIDL: 16d1c170a9eb8ec8874a804a8daf50ef Status: O X-Status: In a message dated 6/6/97 6:19:27 PM, you wrote: <> Who makes a panning pedal? Jim From ???@??? Sat Jun 07 12:03:51 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 7 01:51:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0waHDY-0001pC-00; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 01:51:24 -0700 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 04:48:25 -0400 (EDT) From: BlkSwan03@aol.com Message-ID: <970607044824_123840202@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: fun with retriggering and anti-guitar diatribes Resent-Message-ID: <"mIeCMC.A.VlB.YCSmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 01:51:24 -0700 X-UIDL: 8190d97e734f58978ff534035a82af82 Geez Kim, is that Klein already old hat? I was just getting very interested! But yes, this is true about the almost 100% nature of guitar talk here. ( Altho, I love them too) I'm just kind of wondering, where are all the synth and sampler characters? Looping on midi instruments using the loop function on the sequencer is quite the experience. You don't have to worry about length at all and the fidelity is extraordinary. Stereo is a given. Set your synth or sampler to multimode and roll. Just change midi channels for desired sounds and..........well, there it is. I always find interesting places this way. Volume, panning, and even sounds can be changed at any time. For those who haven't experienced this, go commandeer a synth with the aforementioned sequencer option and go mad. Also, what about vocal compositions? Chants and all, with lots of effects? Jim From ???@??? Sat Jun 07 12:03:54 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 7 03:49:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0waJ3j-0005E5-00; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 03:49:23 -0700 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 06:36:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Has anyone received a backordered Plex yet? In-Reply-To: <199706061736.KAA22898@cds9373.Cadence.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"t_oVQD.A.DxE.rwTmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 03:49:23 -0700 X-UIDL: fd17b90c3ba3912a763dec27abcf9cfa It seems that the vendors with the most muscle/leverage get the units. I've had one on order since December from Discount Music in Florida, and I'm still waiting. Stew Benedict Chapman Stick #926 On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Arthur Gatesy wrote: > > Hello fellow loopers, > > > > Just wondering if any of you who have had an Echoplex on back order, > > actually received it yet? I know according to kim and Oberheim's customer > > service (Dean Fouts) they are being shipped out but I haven't heard of > > anybody getting one yet. > > > > Ed > > I received my Echoplex yesterday, which I ordered back in March or April. > It was definitely worth the wait! > > -Art > > > From ???@??? Sat Jun 07 12:03:55 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 7 08:17:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0waNEu-0005kJ-00; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 08:17:12 -0700 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 10:14:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199706071514.KAA13280@mail1.texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@mail.texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Re: fun with retriggering and anti-guitar diatribes Resent-Message-ID: <"wVVvs.A.3QF.1rXmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 08:17:12 -0700 X-UIDL: d7cc67995798333ee00ae51f1b7d2740 yes indeed,,,a synth lends itself quite well to looping compositions,,,i must admit that most of the looping i have done has involved Chapman Stick(R) and some guitar,,,over the last couple of months i have recorded some 100% vocal pieces as well as incorporated an Ensoniq ESQ-1 (synth/sequencer from late 80's) it really opens up a variety of patches or sounds,,,which i use together to form some quite soothing music much different than my Stick or guitar compositions...i have also experimented with laying down a slapping/funk bass line and soloing over that with my bass... i just cant see doing future live gigs WITHOUT my Jamman or Echoplex....or my ESQ-1, or my bass or my stick or my voice or the SUN (yes im determined to do MOST of this summer's gigs powered by 100% solar power) there are plenty of reasonably priced synths in the used gear market,,,even if you are not an accomplished keyboardist, i highly recommend picking one up, and locking yourself away for a day with it and your jamman/echoplex/rang or other... and guess what??? your guitar will still be waiting on you when you are finished,,, unbiased,and forever loyal... Todays picks: anything by The Jesus Lizard or Cecil Taylor bye for now From ???@??? Sat Jun 07 12:03:55 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 7 08:20:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0waNII-00061U-00; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 08:20:42 -0700 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 10:17:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199706071517.KAA13488@mail1.texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@mail.texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Re: questions for one and all Resent-Message-ID: <"8u-R2D.A.uaF.QuXmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 08:20:42 -0700 X-UIDL: 3818a9799a9867cadab217e4dfd83d3d At 03:34 AM 6/7/97 -0400, you wrote: > >In a message dated 6/6/97 6:19:27 PM, you wrote: > ><> > >Who makes a panning pedal? i think Morley makes one,,,or did > > Jim > > > From ???@??? Sat Jun 07 12:03:56 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 7 08:24:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0waNM0-0006Fs-00; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 08:24:32 -0700 X-From_:mail@bocs.co.uk Sat Jun 07 08:24:30 1997 Received: from mail.bogo.co.uk [193.112.164.14] (root) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0waNLv-0006Er-00; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 08:24:28 -0700 Received: from pcsup2 (dial85.web-plus.co.uk [193.192.199.85]) by mail.bogo.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA04303 for ; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 16:23:06 +0100 Message-Id: <199706071523.QAA04303@mail.bogo.co.uk> Reply-To: From: "bocs" To: Subject: Re: Has anyone received a backordered Plex yet? Old-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 16:26:19 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 08:24:32 -0700 X-UIDL: 8156e60ce9847aa327a00b165153e34c What about this - I've been looking for a plex in the UK with no joy, so I contacted Oberheim in the US to find out if there was a distributor here. Apparently the news is my nearest contact is in ITALY. Sheesh, musky. And to think I saw one in Naples last year while on holiday - the price was a billion lire or something. Girlfriend said no. Regards Andrew > > It seems that the vendors with the most muscle/leverage get the units. > I've had one on order since December from Discount Music in Florida, and > I'm still waiting. > > Stew Benedict > Chapman Stick #926 > > On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Arthur Gatesy wrote: > > > > Hello fellow loopers, > > > > > > Just wondering if any of you who have had an Echoplex on back order, > > > actually received it yet? I know according to kim and Oberheim's customer > > > service (Dean Fouts) they are being shipped out but I haven't heard of > > > anybody getting one yet. > > > > > > Ed > > > > I received my Echoplex yesterday, which I ordered back in March or April. > > It was definitely worth the wait! > > > > -Art > > > > > > From ???@??? Sat Jun 07 12:03:58 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 7 11:16:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0waQ1v-00028I-00; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 11:15:59 -0700 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:11:29 -0400 (EDT) From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <970607141127_-2031663053@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sustain(Warning!) Resent-Message-ID: <"abLRmC.A.KuB.QSamz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 11:15:59 -0700 X-UIDL: 430e8dc29fc1876cefe5eab5f21eb3a8 Isn't there a chance that driving p/us from an amplifier is going to burn it out? I remember buying pickups which came with a warning about even testing the resistance.(Do not apply more than 1V). From ???@??? Sat Jun 07 12:03:59 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 7 11:16:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0waQ2E-0002A9-00; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 11:16:18 -0700 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:11:48 -0400 (EDT) From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <970607141123_-1998567885@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Dork has more to say Resent-Message-ID: <"dNJXT.A.xvB.lSamz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 11:16:18 -0700 X-UIDL: fc4904fdfb4722d10c378d747c205e1c In a message dated 03/06/97 4:39:418:23, you write: << Greetings say I, named Boris or Jay I've got a Fender Musicmaster Bass amp, a 12 watt tube amp from 1978. She sounds decent, but she makes a CRAPLOAD of noise. Any of you techno-smart loopin folks know any ways I could quiet her down? >> B|J The first thing to try is to wiggle the valves a bit, assuming that by noise you mean hum. Then you could try removing the valves one at a time, and spraying some switch cleaner on the contacts. After that it either gets pricey( new valves might do it), or technical. But as someone else on the list said, make sure it's the amp thats at fault. Andy Butler From ???@??? Sat Jun 07 12:03:59 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 7 11:16:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0waQ2B-00029t-00; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 11:16:15 -0700 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:11:59 -0400 (EDT) From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <970607141126_2054440368@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping in London Resent-Message-ID: <"SfkRTC.A.CyB.4Samz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 11:16:15 -0700 X-UIDL: 5fa064672e60cf9a18156d8029fdc2e1 In a message dated 04/06/97 8:36:508:23, you write: << >Another UK looper! Does that make, oh, about 3 of us? >> There's a guy called Dave Draper who plays as "the Invisible String Quartet". He loops electric & prepared electric guitars through a pile of vintage + modern FX. He turns up occasionally on the borders of the "free music" scene. Last time I saw him he was excellent. There's a couple of buskers, one in Norwich & one in Cambridge both playing simple ambient type stuff with delays around 1s . I'll be taking my Vortex/JamMan to Norwich Art's Centre(bar) on 1st July for a short set (8PM?). I'll be using some quite unusual Vortex patches. Andy Butler How many does that make? From ???@??? Sat Jun 07 12:11:40 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 7 12:10:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0waQsj-0004HC-00; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 12:10:33 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8258.199706051208@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 11:58:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Bob's steroidal JamMan implant Resent-Message-ID: <"9OryeB.A.L2D.KGbmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 12:10:33 -0700 X-UIDL: bb77ef67d81b9f1f55cbd8c5d0c48a73 At 1:08 PM +0100 6/5/97, Dr M. P. Hughes wrote: >Bob: > >>The A-D converter (input) on JamMan is mono while the D-A (output) >>converter is stereo so all loops are recorded in mono. > >This surprises me - why were stereo DACs included when only one is used? >Was this upgrade planned, or is it because the JamMan shares gubbins with >mono-in /stereo out processors? I can probably answer that. Audio DACs typically only come as stereo devices. ADCs are the same. There are many good, low-cost audio converters out these days, and they are all stereo. When looking for a reasonable quality part at a reasonable price, this is what a designer will probably end up using. Even if it means half of the converter is wasted, there are lots of other parts necessary to acheive full stereo. Not to mention a greater processing load! So depending on the application, a designer might need to use a more powerful processor to handle stereo, plus additional opamps, pots, passive components, etc. The price could go up quite a bit. If you are making a low cost mono device, you will almost certainly end up using stereo ADCs and DACs, even though half is unused. The Echoplex is the same way, actually. In the Jamman it probably has more to do with sharing hardware with the Alex/Vortex; the cost saving mono decisions were probably made for those guys. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Jun 07 12:11:40 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 7 12:14:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0waQwv-0004c4-00; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 12:14:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199706071911.UAA11621@mail.bogo.co.uk> Reply-To: From: "andrew" To: Subject: Re: Has anyone received a backordered Plex yet? Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 20:15:18 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"qY2OrD.A.OKE.kKbmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 12:14:54 -0700 X-UIDL: beffca7fc9ad5b876909b59fb8d17d6b What about this - I've been looking for a plex in the UK with no joy, so I contacted Oberheim in the US to find out if there was a distributor here. Apparently the news is my nearest contact is in ITALY. Sheesh, musky. And to think I saw one in Naples last year while on holiday - the price was a billion lire or something. Girlfriend said no. Regards Andrew > > > > It seems that the vendors with the most muscle/leverage get the units. > > I've had one on order since December from Discount Music in Florida, and > > I'm still waiting. > > > > Stew Benedict > > Chapman Stick #926 > > > > On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Arthur Gatesy wrote: > > > > > > Hello fellow loopers, > > > > > > > > Just wondering if any of you who have had an Echoplex on back order, > > > > actually received it yet? I know according to kim and Oberheim's > customer > > > > service (Dean Fouts) they are being shipped out but I haven't heard > of > > > > anybody getting one yet. > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > I received my Echoplex yesterday, which I ordered back in March or > April. > > > It was definitely worth the wait! > > > > > > -Art > > > > > > > > > From ???@??? Sat Jun 07 12:25:28 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 7 12:26:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0waR83-00059x-00; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 12:26:23 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199706061736.KAA22898@cds9373.Cadence.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 12:19:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Has anyone received a backordered Plex yet? Resent-Message-ID: <"l-CYPD.A.ntE.dVbmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 12:26:23 -0700 X-UIDL: c01919512ec971c19b90ea11c2dd5193 Status: O X-Status: >It seems that the vendors with the most muscle/leverage get the units. sure, a manufacturer doesn't want to piss off their best customers! Those are the guys who buy/sell the most product, so naturally they get special treatment. Oberheim is steadily shipping product. (I seen it with my own eyes!) Be patient, it'll get there. You see, Oberheim is pretty small, and producing anything in volume requires a significant amount of capital, so they can only do so many at once. There are a lot of plex backorders at the moment (the number is rising, apparently), and the OB guys are working hard to get them filled as soon as they can. Might take a month or so, but it's coming. kim >I've had one on order since December from Discount Music in Florida, and >I'm still waiting. > >Stew Benedict >Chapman Stick #926 > >On Fri, 6 Jun 1997, Arthur Gatesy wrote: > >> > Hello fellow loopers, >> > >> > Just wondering if any of you who have had an Echoplex on back order, >> > actually received it yet? I know according to kim and Oberheim's customer >> > service (Dean Fouts) they are being shipped out but I haven't heard of >> > anybody getting one yet. >> > >> > Ed >> >> I received my Echoplex yesterday, which I ordered back in March or April. >> It was definitely worth the wait! >> >> -Art >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Jun 07 17:44:19 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 7 17:40:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0waW1h-0001WC-00; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:40:09 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:33:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Zoom 508 delay vs. Steinway pianos vs. Klein guitars Resent-Message-ID: <"GDy5H.A.9SB.j7fmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 17:40:09 -0700 X-UIDL: 29b3c2fcf0ca80d60f211b02dfc6dd76 The loop docs make some very good points: At 10:53 AM -0700 6/4/97, mgsam@wave.net wrote: >must take issue with this destructive notion that looping is largely in the >realm of the studio. We want equipment that words LIVE and in the studio. >We are not happy with the mindset that produces technology that can only be >accessed if you "have the instructions." >We are excited about both the Jamman and Echoplex, however, at the same >time, we are deeply disgruntled with the state of their ergonomic art (and >In short, the Loopdoctors while not starving exactly, remain darn hungry >when it comes to looper ergonomics. And despite some keen and well made criticisms of their point of view, and despite the fact that some of the criticism is directed at my own work, I totally agree with what they are saying. Loopers are in their infancy when compared to the development of the grand piano or a guitar, or many other fine instruments. We should not be satisfied that the ergonomics of looping instruments have been well solved or worked out. We do have a long way to go! That may be an important role for our little group in the looping universe. How should this instrument work ergonomically? How can we make it better? You have the ears of the most progressive designers in the field present on this list, tell us what you think! And as technology allows us more possibilites, the interface design becomes even more challenging. Many ideas for what the next generation of loopers should do have been proposed here. How will the musician control these features? What will make them intuitive and easy to use expressively, like guitars and pianos and saxophones? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Jun 07 19:45:12 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 7 19:26:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0waXgI-0004nj-00; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 19:26:10 -0700 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 19:20:47 -0700 (MST) From: Dan Howarth To: stickwire-l@netcom.com cc: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Damage In-Reply-To: <970607211606_317730674@emout01.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"NcwazC.A.8VE.Oehmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 19:26:10 -0700 X-UIDL: 65944ded09ed475840ff1ae3d05e073f found the Damage cd by David Sylvian and Robert Fripp, featuring Trey Gunn on Stick (R), Michael Brook on infinite guitar, and Pat "Meatloaf" Mastelotto. i had expected TG to be on it, but was pleased to find the other two also. i guess i'd thought jerry marotta or somebody would do it, like the album. anyhow, TG seems to do a lot of great two-handed work. i don't think it's Brook (though i don't really know about the "infinite guitar" thing) because it sounds like a clean melody Stick, or that very familiar wah/distorto sound that he does. isn't this also available on laserdisc or something? how about VHS? why laserdisc? is Brook doing the delay stuff? very clean, quick echoes with a bit of regeneration but not enough to make it muddy... fripp and gunn are fairly familiar these days, so i don't think it's them. **************************************************************** ** Dan Howarth ** ** Classics-History-Music. University of Arizona, Tucson ** ** http://www.u.arizona.edu/~howarth -personal site- ** ** http://www.arts.arizona.edu/mus120 -school project site- ** **************************************************************** From ???@??? Sat Jun 07 20:04:23 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 7 19:59:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0waYCH-0005xu-00; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 19:59:13 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 19:52:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: symetrix delay Resent-Message-ID: <"BXt6wD.A.ncF.w9hmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 19:59:13 -0700 X-UIDL: ff3190be21ea50975414fd1b33241bd6 Anybody checked out the Symetrix "606 Delay f/x Machine"? Any reactions? Looks like a great delay unit; true stereo, 20bit A/D, filters, modulation, tap tempo, midi sync, and knobs..... Downside seems to be only 2.6 seconds for "normal resolution" and 1.3 seconds for "high resolution." Memory is cheap, what are they thinking? Take a look, the ad is in the latest Mix magazine, probably other places. Url is http://www.symetrixaudio.com kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Jun 07 20:04:24 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 7 20:05:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0waYIU-0006H9-00; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 20:05:38 -0700 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 22:02:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199706080302.WAA28545@mail2.texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@mail.texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Re: Damage Resent-Message-ID: <"JybO-.A.fvF.YDimz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 20:05:38 -0700 X-UIDL: 025d541d63b692baa39bc0076a5320a9 >isn't this also available on laserdisc or something? how about VHS? why >laserdisc? yes and it is very excellent...the picture and sound on Laserdisc is as good as it gets. and yes its on VHS and most likely PAL as well,,,Possible Productions has it. check it out james From ???@??? Sat Jun 07 23:28:21 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 7 21:22:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0waZUo-0001UG-00; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 21:22:26 -0700 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 00:18:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <970608001851_1720416893@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping in London Resent-Message-ID: <"AC4zpB.A.dQB.sLjmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 21:22:26 -0700 X-UIDL: b76fc7413aeceed51886bfb179f09119 In a message dated 6/7/97 8:53:15 PM, Andy from the UK wrote: <> Why not post some example parameters...if you've got any to spare? dpc From ???@??? Sat Jun 07 23:28:28 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 7 21:28:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0waZab-0001mi-00; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 21:28:25 -0700 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 00:25:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <970608002516_1108795778@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Non-Guitar Looping Resent-Message-ID: <"9GfTkC.A.ZiB.tRjmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 21:28:25 -0700 X-UIDL: ba8c5410060c551a9322afa1a8421d69 In a message dated 6/7/97 9:08:44 PM, James wrote: <> I've just seen the DTorn video and got my first glimpse at the mixer revelation...anyone know if that mixer he uses is still around, or have any suggestions for ideal mixers for looping and maximum fx-routing flexibility? I've been looking at the Mackie 1604 (all mono) and 3204(?)--with its stereo sends, but no pfl, which seems pretty essential. Love to hear any recommendations/advice/thought/etc....Thanks! dpc From ???@??? Sat Jun 07 23:28:31 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 7 22:03:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0waa8h-00012G-00; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 22:03:39 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970607215951.007b2100@pure.pureatria.com> X-Sender: sechevar@pure.pureatria.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 21:59:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Non-Guitar Looping In-Reply-To: <970608002516_1108795778@emout15.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"FVBfSB.A.73.Bzjmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 22:03:39 -0700 X-UIDL: b630c3dbba72f72f5dcac004e5aaa196 I saw a passac unity8 used at music store in SF bay area for about $125. I asked David if he's still using it and here's his reply: >tho' i've still got that passac, i've been using a mackie 1604 since 'round >the time of those vids: sounds real good, it's got faders on channels (which >give me clear visual feedback as to what's what), & i modified it to have 4 >pre-fader sends. >but: i'm still not satisfied! it's too big, has too much that is unnecessary >to me (8 mic-pres, too many chnls, eq, solo switches). >anyway: >the passac *is* a good, clean mixer, & best of all: it's small! >regards, >dt > In the last Door-X list, he mentioned that he's pitching a mixer idea to Alesis or Mackie. At 12:25 am 6/8/97 -0400, you wrote: > >I've just seen the DTorn video and got my first glimpse at the mixer >revelation...anyone know if that mixer he uses is still around, or have any From ???@??? Sat Jun 07 23:28:31 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 7 22:06:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0waaB6-0001Dp-00; Sat, 7 Jun 1997 22:06:08 -0700 Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 22:02:28 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: Zoom 508 delay vs. Steinway pianos vs. Klein guitars Resent-Message-ID: <"NJi4uC.A.Y_.10jmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 22:06:08 -0700 X-UIDL: 5a0eae12630cd036420cbe48c95a8e4e Kim: Thanks for your thoughtful and open minded response to our ergnomonic rant. Here's one idea we've kicked around...the shape of these loopers...the rack mount notion seems to dictate a box with an umbilical connection to a footpedal. Or the looper becomes a footpedal period -- like the Boomerang or Zoom. A saxaphone, a guitar, a piano evolved their shapes to the requisite needs of fingers, hands, mouth...the bodily points that would by extension create the music, and which are highly adaptable and trainable to musical inflection. But as we said, all the loopers we know out there seem to be toe/foot operated. The LoOpDoctOrs drive their cars with feet/toes...we walk with them too, and we can do the proverbial tapping of the foot, but we are not monkeys...we tend to do out best work from the groin upwards...this is where we have the most dexterity, agility, thrust...and we have been trained to make music with these upper body parts, although when we get something good going we shake our asses too. The foot, on the other hand, tends to be an on/off, go/no-go, or go faster appendage. So in adapting your musical instrument to the dictates of the toe are you in turn imposing something on the musical capabilities of the instrument? In other words, the rack dictates the box, the box constricts knobs and bigger more open menus, and it makes for a fairly edgy, linear, seen-this-a-million-times-before shape. Not so inviting or beautiful as a Strat, a Klein or a Steinway or as irrisistably touchable as a Sax. The box by definition makes a looper look and feel like a million other boxes. Interestingly, the paint job on the Oberheim is one of our favorite things about it because it is so invitingly individualistic...but the rest of the structure leaves us pretty much cold. Think about it...a Looper in the shape of a Mobius strip maybe? ;) Or how about a looper that was soft and pushy like an accordian. How could you the sensory/tactile interface invite us into the musical capabilities? Could you play a looper with your nose? Could you design one to work with facial grimaces? How about the elbow? Elbows usually seem to be available to most musicians. How about a looper your inserted between the shoulder and guitar strap, kinda like a b-string bender concept on a telecaster? One of our favorite and not immediately noticable things about the Klein guitar is the way the body is bent like a mildly melted chocolate bar...or a deep sea ray. The Klein just wants to stick to your hip bone. Are we out there or what? ;) Best, The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Sun Jun 08 08:02:36 1997 >From kflint Sun Jun 8 04:32:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wagDR-0001VB-00; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 04:32:57 -0700 Message-Id: <29095.199706081130@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 12:30:24 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Re: Sustain(Warning!) Resent-Message-ID: <"ehNH-.A.XUB.tfpmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 04:32:57 -0700 X-UIDL: cd5ed772daef4d1ca68c62f3a2a05e34 >Isn't there a chance that driving p/us from an amplifier is going to >burn it out? >I remember buying pickups which came with a warning about even >testing the resistance.(Do not apply more than 1V). I've just tried driving 10V into a neck p/u, which doesn't seemed to have harmed it - hasn't started any strings oscilating though! The unit measures at about 8Kohm, meaning about 1mA is flowing through the coils. Not enough, it seems... I might give Kent Armstrong a call next week about low-impedance pickups... Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Sun Jun 08 08:02:37 1997 >From kflint Sun Jun 8 04:37:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wagHO-0001gR-00; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 04:37:02 -0700 Message-Id: <29142.199706081134@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 12:34:35 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Re: symetrix delay Resent-Message-ID: <"q9y0mB.A.yeB.xjpmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 04:37:02 -0700 X-UIDL: e956db00bd429fd68004e2bcba49ab2f >Anybody checked out the Symetrix "606 Delay f/x Machine"? Any reactions? I saw the ad in the Holdsworth issue of EQ. >Looks like a great delay unit; true stereo, 20bit A/D, filters, modulation, >tap tempo, midi sync, and knobs..... It looks like a Vortex someone got right... :) Notice how you have 6 modulators, which can drive any parameter including each other? Any idea how much these go for in the shops? I know the RRP is $600.... Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Sun Jun 08 08:02:38 1997 >From kflint Sun Jun 8 07:09:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0waifC-0004Pp-00; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 07:09:46 -0700 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 10:06:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <970608100620_189210229@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: DTorn's Passac mixer Resent-Message-ID: <"n5MLqD.A.5CE.cyrmz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 07:09:46 -0700 X-UIDL: 8b3684e86a88111482d0a4e5ffbda179 <> Thanks! The 1604 seemed to be the other best choice; agree completely about the drawbacks. Anybody else got solutions they like? dpc From ???@??? Sun Jun 08 20:44:35 1997 >From kflint Sun Jun 8 20:42:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wavLm-00079X-00; Sun, 8 Jun 1997 20:42:34 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970608203808.0082dd30@pure.pureatria.com> X-Sender: sechevar@pure.pureatria.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 20:38:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: DTorn's Passac mixer In-Reply-To: <970608100620_189210229@emout19.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"pepS9.A.QhG.3r3mz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 20:42:34 -0700 X-UIDL: d835708e3a54d2e19ed714d9f8f64a66 I ended up getting a used Roland M-240R for $350. 4 rack space, 24 channel, 2 bus, 4 sends. The fourth send is switchable pre or post. The first 3 are post-fader on the main bus and pre-fader on the secondary bus. At 10:06 am 6/8/97 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks! The 1604 seemed to be the other best choice; agree completely about >the drawbacks. Anybody else got solutions they like? >dpc From ???@??? Mon Jun 09 09:32:02 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 9 03:18:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wb1X3-0004A4-00; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 03:18:37 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:24:34 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: RE: Klein Electric Guitar Resent-Message-ID: <"3nVQc.A.D0D.of9mz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 03:18:37 -0700 X-UIDL: 389426bfbc6072c8fbd0b0c29d374c22 Tom Attix said: >What about the feedback of the (body) vibration from the acoustic >chamber to the string? Obviously, you can't increase overall string >vibration (amplitude) by coupling it to an acoustic chamber but could >the chamber act as a "storage device" for resonant freq's thereby >sustaining certain harmonics (longer than they would have been >originally) and effectively dampening nonresonant harmonics? If you plug >this into an amp, it will feedback much easier (energy is never free but >maybe you can get it a little cheaper...). Certainly the acoustic chamber works reverse: if it makes the instrument sound louder acoustically, it also transferes sound easyer from outside onto the string and thus feedback happens easyer. If I understood right, you think that even unpluged, some harmonics could be sustained more than without chamber. This would mean that the energy of the frequencies that are dampened is transfered to the sustained ones. I never thought of this, but it seems to make sense... I think I heard a similar effect from gongs, or was it just my impression that the high frequencies increase (absolutely, not just relatively to the low ones) after the initial rather bassy attack? Anyone can confirm that? (I have no gong :-( ) Still, to achieve this certainly takes a master lutier! Kim Corbet wrote: >......well, it seems to me "acoustics" differs from this point of view. >the string vibrates...the chambers resonate. It's the amplification >properties of the chambers themselves that create the sustain. Take an >acoustic guitar without the huge box and you haven't got much. Play any >hollowbody guitar vs. solid body...play through any good quality speaker >cabinet and then through a speaker sitting on the workbench and you start >to appreciate what "chambers" can do. I felt that the solid body guitars have the most sustain (unless they are not built well or intentionally dampened and the string energy transforms into heat). The chamber only increases sustain at the resonant frequency. It does not really amplify, it transforms acoustic impedance: The strong movement of the little surface of the string is transformed into a little movement of a big area. The Banjo transforms all string energy soon it to a loud and consequently short sound. The speaker cabinet prevents from a acoustical short cirquit between the area in front of and behind the membrane. Sustain what you least want for a speaker, or it will loose all definition. Matthias From ???@??? Mon Jun 09 09:32:06 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 9 07:42:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wb5dq-0004Bg-00; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:41:54 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:27:40 -0400 From: Michael Peters Subject: ready for new profiles To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199706091027_MC2-1819-B40@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"tP72dC.A.zVD.RNBnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:41:54 -0700 X-UIDL: a87dc80b62d303844877f05817656e7e hi everyone, I'm back from vacation, and ready to HTMLize new entries for the Personal Profiles webpage (and for the Loopology webpage). If you want to add your Personal Profile to the page, put together what seems important to you (if you want, in a tabular form just like most existing entries) and send it to me. ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm Support the Warr Guitar Defense Fund http://home.earthlink.net/~greendog/warrfund.html From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 01:30:24 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 9 15:34:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wb6Za-0007Qk-00; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:41:34 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Damage Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:31:38 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 40 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: <"B3x-OB.A.xhG.0ICnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 08:41:34 -0700 X-UIDL: 0d596a2c7ded3e871ad7a7e124e58042 >>>---------- >From: james rhodes >Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Sent: Sunday, June 8, 1997 3:02 AM >To: John_Ott@ATK.COM >Subject: Re: Damage > > >>isn't this also available on laserdisc or something? how about VHS? why >>laserdisc? > >yes and it is very excellent...the picture and sound on Laserdisc is as good >as it gets. >and yes its on VHS and most likely PAL as well,,,Possible Productions has it. > >check it out >james << Possible Production Video Page: >http://www.rockslide.com/possible/merch2.htm > It is only on LD and they don't have many left. It is a different show from Damage but the arrangements are the same. Some stuff I thought was Fripp was Gunn some stuff I thought was Fripp was Brook. Some stuff I thought was Brook was Sylvian. At some point you have 4 guys playing in the Guitar range. Gunn stays mostly on the bass range of the Chapman Stick as that's where there is space to play. There is a cool back and forth exchange of treated guitar between Brook and Fripp on "Road to Graceland" There is several tracks on the LD that are not on Damage. One is Fripp's "Exposure". later John > From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 01:30:16 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 9 14:12:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbBje-0004bi-00; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:12:18 -0700 Message-Id: <199706092106.OAA08166@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Improving looper interfaces Date: Mon, 9 Jun 97 16:07:03 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"Or80wD.A.G1D.BBHnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:12:18 -0700 X-UIDL: 3a0019b5cb2addd85d88ad537edaa9e2 >Loopers are in their infancy when compared to the development of the grand >piano or a guitar, or many other fine instruments. We should not be >satisfied that the ergonomics of looping instruments have been well solved >or worked out. We do have a long way to go! > >That may be an important role for our little group in the looping universe. >How should this instrument work ergonomically? How can we make it better? >You have the ears of the most progressive designers in the field present on >this list, tell us what you think! > >And as technology allows us more possibilites, the interface design becomes >even more challenging. Many ideas for what the next generation of loopers >should do have been proposed here. How will the musician control these >features? What will make them intuitive and easy to use expressively, like >guitars and pianos and saxophones? This reminds me of the "alternate synth controller" thread that pops up in the keyboard world every now and then. It usually starts with someone bemoaning the fact that the Most Powerful Sound Generating Device Known To Man is triggered by roughly the same interface that Mozart used on a harpsichord. "Surely there have been advances in controller/interface technology in the last few centuries!", says the frustrated synthesist, "Why just the other night I was thinking that if I could control the vibrato of each individual voice by moving my toes along a vertical axis, I would FINALLY BE ABLE TO GET SOME MUSIC MADE! Naturally, this addition alone would not be nearly enough to allow me to express my considerable talent, I also wish to be able to control the filter sweep my moving my toes along the horizontal axis. Nay, even this would not be enough to convey the worlds of sound that are trapped within my head--I want to be able to dynamically assign the horizontal and vertical movement of each of my ten toes (if only I had more!) to a different paramenter, for each patch, as needed. I DEMAND that all the International MIDI Committee immediately adopt and standardize this Ten-Toe Controller (10TC) as a required addition to all future keyboards and effects processors. P.S. I wish to pay no more than $24.99 for this controller." Given that there's a bit of hyperbole involved in the above example, but it took forever for aftertouch to become fairly common. And there was one keyboard which would would read wiggling the keys from side to side, so that you could apply vibrato with a guitaristic motion. As far as making looping device interfaces more ergonomic, I'd rather that money be spent on fixing the feature set, rather then devising some sort of cuddly accordian-style interface. Every dollar spent on, say, a large-LCD display on the front of the unit or physical dials to control parameters is a dollar less spent on developing the software/hardware. In addition, I think that looping rigs tend to be more esoteric than the average musician, who only sends audio in one direction. I remember a long-lived thread on MIDI foot-controller implementation for the Big Two, and there didn't seem to be a consensus on what people wanted out of it. If Lexicon or Oberheim has to try and second guess all the unusual, one-of-a-kind rigs that the next generation of loopers are going to be installed into (whoops--scratch Lex, they already decided that looping was too much work for not enough payback), we'll never see anything. I don't want to sound like I'm advocating a position of "everything's great--we should all be so grateful for the crumbs we've been thrown". I think that any improvements on the interface front are going to come from specific solutions to specific problems, not from saying "I wish everything were more flexible and easier to use!". Think of something like the Parson's-White B-bender or the Floyd Rose tailpiece, they were solutions to clearly identified problems ("How can I play this three-handed lick with two hands?" and "How can I yank on my vibrato bar all night without going out of tune?"). Granted, they don't represent a change in the guitar interface, but as we move out of the realm of physical tone generators and into the more hypothetical realm of digital audio manipulation, the ground is uncharted. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 01:30:02 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 9 12:46:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbAOu-00035F-00; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:46:48 -0700 Message-ID: <01BC74CD.D55582C0@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: questions for one and all Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:08:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"5U7Y5.A.eHC.xuFnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:46:48 -0700 X-UIDL: 711f2ae593b5c538b6e4a7550db3eeda The Torn videos are fantastic. In fact, of all the guitar videos that I've seen, these two are most inspiring for me (along with Henry Kaiser's video and Adrian Belew's "Electronic Guitar"). Although Torn talks in great detail about his equipment, he stresses seeking your individuality in playing, equipment, etc. Tape 1 covers his guitars, stomp boxes and amps. Tape 2 covers his rack and MIDI continuous controllers. Along the way, he plays some nifty loops. These tapes are worth every penny. Highly recommended. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ---------- From: MiqSk8@aol.com[SMTP:MiqSk8@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, June 05, 1997 2:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: questions for one and all has anyone here on the list seen the david torn instructional videos? i'm still pretty new at looping but have a fairly firm grasp on signal processing; would these be of worth ($69+) to me? what do they cover, and are they more theory based or just the "look what cool sound i get out of this cool box" type thing? on to more real loopy stuff... has anyone here ever seen the Joni Mitchell concert video Shadows and Light? Her band at the time was michael brecker, don elias, lyle mays, pat metheny, and the monster known as jaco pastorious. jaco's solo takes advantage of the lexicon(judging by the blue on the box) delay to build a quick loop to blow over. it's really cool, grooving(of course), and jaco just has the technology dialed in. warning:this solo does not appear on the cd! sorry to bring up the zoom 508 again, but... if you were to pony up for the expression pedal to go with it, what parameters are controlable by it? feedback, delay level, delay time? is it's output true stereo? could delays be panable? i have for a while been considering two parallel signal chains fed by a panning pedal allowing me to mix (or ultimately choose one of) two considerably different sounds on the fly-kind of the poor man's morphing, only not so processor dependent/intensive. btw, has any heard the zoom 507 reverb pedal as well? and now for the big kahuna- what is it that all of us are trying to achieve by looping? i'm really interested in the sounds coming out of this group. Atmospheres? Textures? "Sound Carpets"? Precision Pointillism? Industrial Indigestion? or more of the compositional types of multiple loops created on the fly and then swapped between? in other words a way to build traditional sections of composition to be arranged. i realize this predates the looper's cd, but i think it would be cool for us to get an idea of what's going on with all this equipment and talent and ... personally i'm still struggling with all the abilities of the 'plex and the timing of using next loop-so i'm concentrating more on the single loop. it's amazing how varied the result can be by taking different approaches (chordal, linear, heavy, ethereal, synchronized, chaos). i am constantly just letting it go onto tape. (i'm spending all weekend in the california mountains to go through them all!) From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 01:30:21 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 9 14:59:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wb97s-0001ks-00; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:25:08 -0700 Message-Id: <24249.199706091622@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:22:51 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Sustainer Update Resent-Message-ID: <"Q0IO1B.A.5OB.QjEnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:25:08 -0700 X-UIDL: cc5d1eb0d43cde1ec3757092dbced560 I've just been talking with Kent Armstrong, who recons a low-Z pickup could be built for about £50 ($70-ish). How could I refuse? Problem is, this needs to be done right, so I'm asking everybody for suggestions on this... any idea what's required? I'm just going for a lot of bigger-gauge turns - we'll have no idea of the impedance 'till it's built - but does anybody have any ideas of the impedance of the Fernandez neck pickup? Or the current flowing into it, at least? (You guys with Fer. guitars could measure this by checking the draw from the batteries) I'm guessing (literally!!!) that I'll need a Z of about 100ohm, producing a current of about 100mA - a total draw of about 1 Watt. Is that OK or a bit too extreme? Is 10ma sufficient (I'm guessing it probably isn't)? Opinions, _please_!! Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 01:30:11 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 9 13:45:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbBJM-0001tU-00; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:45:08 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:24:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Kim Corbet Subject: RE: Klein Electric Guitar To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"uS76eB.A.K5.JmGnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 13:45:08 -0700 X-UIDL: 5262cf3b01b0bbead4d275072c0d0a52 > The Banjo transforms all string energy soon it to a loud and consequently > short sound. .............I'm forgetting what we're talking about here...sustain, amplitude, extra mayo? Mentioning the word loud in relation to the banjo makes me think we should be making less hay outta the strings and more outta the tightened head that vibrates furiously with each pluck. I don't mean to interfere with anyone's string fetish. Actually, it's always nice to look at old assumptions toward some interesting brain switch. yada yada...kim From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 01:29:50 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 9 12:09:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wb9oi-0004Uh-00; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:09:24 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Non-Guitar Looping Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:17:23 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 39 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: <"inrZ2.A.zpD.CLFnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:09:24 -0700 X-UIDL: 1fc64c1bd35ee5c177611e2b1cdfc016 >>>>From: James Reynolds >Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Sent: Saturday, June 7, 1997 5:17 PM >To: John_Ott@ATK.COM >Subject: Re: Non-Guitar Looping > >Someone asked about non-guitar loopers on this list... > >I began looping mainly with bass noises (harmonics, misc. un-basslike >tweakage) through effects (distortion, wah, volume, vortex) into a plex and >jamcompadre. > >But I keep adding to my arsenal of source-material widgets. All are fed >through the same signal chain as the bass, so they can also be >disconcertingly effected. I'll be getting an 8-channel submixer soon so >switching between toys will be easier. > >So far I'm using a theremin (spooky 50s sci-fi sounds), analog synth >(Roland Juno 6: Knobs! Reatime!), random AM radio (looped Mariachi sounds >can be hauntingly beautiful), samples grabbed from obscure vinyl (gotta >love 50 cent records like "Rapture: Hawaiian Moods"), and CD/tape/vinyl in >realtime (slide up the fader at random times and loop it..) > >james > <<< I use my jamman on the effects loop of a Mackie 1202VLZ , so anything into the mixer is fair game for looping. I find my Korg Synth much better at making layered sound than my guitars. The attack of the pick is not something that layers well. I can program the synth to have a slow attack much easier than using a volume pedal or other effects to get rid of pick attack. I have used combinations of guitar, synth and vocals in loops. Jon, now that you are in love with your Klien. How much for the PRS? later >John From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 01:30:00 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 9 12:42:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbAKj-0002ef-00; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:42:29 -0700 X-Sender: landman@mail.wco.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:34:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: landman@wco.com (Mark Landman) Subject: One cheap looper... Resent-Message-ID: <"w-eA0.A.9qB.ZqFnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:42:30 -0700 X-UIDL: 477a6bc392953ef11ba3aaab953e24cd Attention Loopers- Found this on Harmony Central, thought someone might be interested- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- 8 second sampling delay Asking Price: US$75 Condition: Good Age: N/A Description: Digitech pds 8000 sampling delay footpedal. 8 seconds delay time, a little scratched but works fine. Excels at getting those fluid, Eno/David Torn type looping delays. can also be used as a studio effect(aux send)with input and output level controls. Price is 75 dollars plus shipping from Atlanta. Seller: Kevin Morrison, E-mail: ultrevex@atl.mindspring.com Location: ATLANTA, GA Post Date: 6/9/97 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Don't call me- Best- Mark From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 01:29:52 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 9 12:24:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbA3Q-0000tx-00; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:24:36 -0700 X-From_:mail@bocs.co.uk Mon Jun 09 12:23:50 1997 Received: from mail.bogo.co.uk [193.112.164.14] (root) by ferret.slip.net with esmtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbA2O-0000m8-00; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:23:33 -0700 Received: from pcsup2 (dial52.web-plus.co.uk [193.192.199.52]) by mail.bogo.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA08461 for ; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:41:24 +0100 Message-Id: <199706091841.TAA08461@mail.bogo.co.uk> Reply-To: From: "bocs" To: Subject: Fw: DTorn's Passac mixer Old-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:44:57 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Mail to Andrew@bocs.com bounced 1 times X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:24:36 -0700 X-UIDL: 6ae2a44a6f8d92929f08d9182fcf35d1 dpc wrote > > Thanks! The 1604 seemed to be the other best choice; agree completely > about > > the drawbacks. Anybody else got solutions they like? > > dpc > I notice the Spirit F1 has 3 aux sends - 1 pre,1 post and a switchable pre/post, as well as the usual 1604 type features. Also unwieldly, but the two pre sends are nice if you haven't access a techs to mod a 1604. It lists for UK299.00 It's the first 8ch mixer I've seen in London with more than 1 pre send. Andrew ------------------------- Andrew@bocs.com From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 01:30:18 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 9 14:26:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbBxC-0005uD-00; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:26:18 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 9 Jun 1997 15:40:37 -0700 From: "Hartnett, Travis" Subject: FS: Vortex $175 To: "Loopers Delight postings" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.0.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"swnDOB.A.J9E.ZNHnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:26:18 -0700 X-UIDL: b2e03cc17cf43a4dd4f2399ac0e58518 >From Harmony Central: Lexicon Vortex Asking Price: US$175 Condition: Mint Age: 1 year Description: You know the one...now disontinued just when everyone's figuring out how cool these things are. Morph baby...MORPH! Seller: Roland Eberle, E-mail: roland@ccnet.com Location: HAYWARD, CA Post Date: 6/8/97 From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 01:30:20 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 9 14:46:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbCGC-0000G9-00; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:45:56 -0700 Message-ID: <339C8D7F.420C@cyberportal.net> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 16:10:55 -0700 From: rick canton Organization: kaynar ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: fs:plex foot pedal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"OU3V7D.A.a8G.YhHnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:45:57 -0700 X-UIDL: 8781eda5d0e1190633a9104734f9cfad i dont use mine , name a good price & i`ll ship it c.o.d. anyone... e-mail me, rick i also have an lxp-5 & mrc v.4.0..... From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 01:30:20 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 9 14:39:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbC9P-0007Bh-00; Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:38:55 -0700 Message-ID: <339C9332.44A@interaccess.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 16:35:14 -0700 From: Jim Coker X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sustainer Update References: <24249.199706091622@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by neuman.interaccess.com id QAA20374 Resent-Message-ID: <"sVwtq.A.KMG.aaHnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:38:55 -0700 X-UIDL: 38d4e7059394c37f5be7da22a448cc3e I'm peeking inside my Ebow, and one pickup definitely has thicker wire than the other, but I really can't say how thick it is (thicker, yes, but still a very thin wire). If you're really serious, you might consider dissecting an ebow for testing wire sizes/ current and such. also: The pickup centers on the Ebow are 1 11/64 inch apart. Good luck! jim Dr M. P. Hughes wrote: > > I've just been talking with Kent Armstrong, who recons a low-Z pickup could > be built for about £50 ($70-ish). How could I refuse? > > Problem is, this needs to be done right, so I'm asking everybody for > suggestions on this... any idea what's required? I'm just going for a lot > of bigger-gauge turns - we'll have no idea of the impedance 'till it's > built - but does anybody have any ideas of the impedance of the Fernandez > neck pickup? Or the current flowing into it, at least? (You guys with Fer. > guitars could measure this by checking the draw from the batteries) > > I'm guessing (literally!!!) that I'll need a Z of about 100ohm, producing a > current of about 100mA - a total draw of about 1 Watt. Is that OK or a > bit too extreme? Is 10ma sufficient (I'm guessing it probably isn't)? > Opinions, _please_!! > > Michael > > Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, > Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. > "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 01:30:37 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 10 00:41:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbLYf-0005ru-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:41:37 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:37:52 +0100 Message-ID: <00044B27.1424@mail.bl.uk> From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) Subject: Re[2]: fun with retriggering ...the JamMan To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"reJhP.A.lUF.vSQnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:41:37 -0700 X-UIDL: c5a70867485669d76ecbc9a178d6697f Someone may have mentioned this already; if so my apologies for sitting at the back and not paying attention... But - whilst I don't know if the JM can retrigger in loop mode using midi (some people have mentioned interesting effects when its synched to a drum box etc) I think I achieved similar results to Kim's various rhythmic overlays in Echo mode. Tap-in a shortish delay with 8 or 9 repeats (for example), let it build a bit, then tap and play slightly longer than the existing phrase, tap again and it restarts the sequence from the point you entered the new phrase. Obviously you can gradually extend this ad infinitum. I've not had a chance to really listen to the results of this yet (now here's a non-guitar looping problem - just how DO you get a reluctant six year old to go to bed so that you can get a hour's looping done before his mother returns from the PTA meeting?!) but it seemed to set-up a series of interweaving rhythms which might not be as complex as the ones Kim described but have a charm of their own. Non anogramatically yours David From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 10:18:03 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 10 03:34:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbOFe-0002o6-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 03:34:10 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 04:17:12 -0500 From: John Pollock Subject: Re: questions for one and all To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-to: johnpollock@delphi.com Message-id: <339D1B98.361C@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <970605181439_372875049@emout20.mail.aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"f0Ds6.A.fcC.yzSnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 03:34:10 -0700 X-UIDL: 8f72aac4fc357afd560ae7bd5f4d64cb MiqSk8@aol.com wrote, in part, >what is it that all of us are trying to achieve > by looping? i'm really interested in the sounds coming out of this group. > Atmospheres? Textures? "Sound Carpets"? Precision Pointillism? Industrial > Indigestion? or more of the compositional types of multiple loops created on > the fly and then swapped between? in other words a way to build traditional > sections of composition to be arranged. i realize this predates the looper's > cd, but i think it would be cool for us to get an idea of what's going on > with all this equipment and talent and ... For me, the answer is, paraphrasing David Torn, "My playing, but more of it." I crave the sound of a band, but seem to be incapable of finding other musicians with musical objectives close enough to my own to make it work. So, for the past ten years, I've been playing with myself (quite literally-- and I cheerfully acknowledge the validity of the implication), adding (to my guitar and vocals) first harmonica, then pedal keyboard/synthesizer, then MIDI guitar/synthesizer, subtracting a drum machine, and finally (to date) adding a Vortex. (Probably any details you might be interested in are on my Web site, which is devoted to tools and tips for the one-person band, so I won't go into them here.) I actually did this for what I laughingly called my living for six years, but quit playing for money four years ago after it became a job, and one I hated. I've only been looping for a few months, and that on an extremely limited basis, so I haven't achieved much. I do have some pretty clear goals, though: 1. I've weaned myself from the drum machine, but still crave percussion, and don't have any hands or feet free to play it. Even if I used it for nothing else, the Vortex gives me the capability to create percussive loops (slapping the muted guitar strings, scraping them, tapping a pickup, etc.) to fill that musical space-- without using someone else's samples, and using sounds I create during the performance of the piece itself. 2. I'm not a very impressive singer, or guitarist, or performer in general-- my strength, in the past, has been my songwriting (mainly the lyrics, but the music for a few of them may rise a little above ordinary). This began to bother me, some while before I "retired." I began fantasizing about creating music that would not depend for its success on my skill with the English language. I remember thinking, the second or third time I saw Bela Fleck and the Flecktones in concert, "These folks are like Abba without vocals-- how could anyone in the world _not_ respond to this music?" Pierre Ben Susan and Badi Assad have also strongly reinforced this urge. But my technical skills are far below any of these people. If I'm to succeed, I'll have to (a) get to a level where I'm using the technology _intelligently_ enough to make the music really interesting, and (b) move beyond that to a level where no one listening to my music, including myself, is consciously aware of the technology. I don't know if I can do it, but it seems a more realistic objective than attempting to achieve the guitar fluency of Ben Susan or Assad. (I've been playing since before either of them was born, and haven't managed it yet, so that hope seems pretty dim...) 3. I've always been an accompaniment sort of guitarist, either strumming or playing fingerstyle. I was always content to leave the distorted single-note wailing to others-- until I heard Sonny Sharrock and Nicky Skopelites' _Faith Moves_. Suddenly, I wanted to try to play like Sonny (why did he have to go and die before I could hear him live?). But my left foot is no substitute for Nicky. Just maybe, my left foot and the Vortex can be. 4. Before I started working as a one-person band, I played steel guitar in country bands for a long time. The pedal steel guitar put fewer obstacles between me and the music than any other instrument or combination of instruments I've tried. But the way I played it, and the ways I want to play it, don't work for me without accompaniment, and I haven't had it out of the case in ten years. Once I develop the ability to loop on the fly with some consistency, I just may be able to play it again. So my looping efforts are primarily aimed at accompaniment. I'm not unaware of the possibility of making the loop the focus of the music, and have experimented with gradually changing loops (very easy with the Vortex). But I'm a very chord-oriented person, and I'll have to have more delay time than the Vortex gives me before I can get serious about that kind of approach. I don't know whether it qualifies as looping (and don't much care), but I'm also playing around with canons, both live (using MIDI guitar and the 12-second delay capability of the Casio VZ-8) and sequenced (step-entered using the software that came with the computer). But as far as describing, categorizing, or labelling the music itself (Precision Pointillism? Sound Carpets?)-- hey, we musicians are exempt! That's a job for critics and other non-musicians! ;-) But you can hear a few examples of my primitive efforts for yourself at my Web site, if you're so inclined. > personally i'm still struggling with all the abilities of the 'plex and the > timing of using next loop-so i'm concentrating more on the single loop. it's > amazing how varied the result can be by taking different approaches (chordal, > linear, heavy, ethereal, synchronized, chaos). i am constantly just letting > it go onto tape. (i'm spending all weekend in the california mountains to go > through them all!) I hope we get a chance to hear them from your Web site! John Pollock mailto:johnpollock@delphi.com http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock (Troubador Tech) From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 10:18:02 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 10 03:33:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbOFM-0002ms-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 03:33:52 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 05:39:43 -0500 From: John Pollock Subject: Re: Non-Guitar Looping To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-to: johnpollock@delphi.com Message-id: <339D2EEF.12B2@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <970608002516_1108795778@emout15.mail.aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"LuG9pD.A.adC.3zSnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 03:33:52 -0700 X-UIDL: 417d0bbf60ccf0ed147066fbb531fa91 Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/7/97 9:08:44 PM, James wrote: > > < switching between toys will be easier.>> > > I've just seen the DTorn video and got my first glimpse at the mixer > revelation...anyone know if that mixer he uses is still around, or have any > suggestions for ideal mixers for looping and maximum fx-routing flexibility? > I've been looking at the Mackie 1604 (all mono) and 3204(?)--with its stereo > sends, but no pfl, which seems pretty essential. Love to hear any > recommendations/advice/thought/etc....Thanks! Just thoughts, at this juncture: Just after I got my Vortex last winter, I found an Akai MB76 MIDI patch bay in a pawn shop for US$50. Of course, I snatched it up. Believe it or not, I haven't even connected it up yet, for a lot of reasons. But many of those reasons should be vanquished within the next couple months. Then I'll be able to test my thinking, which went something like this: The MB76 has seven inputs and six outputs (duh...), all line level. Two of each will be assigned to the Vortex. Fighting for the remaining five inputs are the stereo outputs of two synthesizers (one triggered by MIDI guitar, the other by MIDI pedal keyboard), the synthetic stereo output of the guitar preamp, the third guitar signal from the yet to be btained second preamp (so I can have both distorted and clean guitar signals, and Vortex either one independently), and the microphone signal from the yet to be obtained mic preamp (for Vortexing vocals, harmonica, yet to be determined acoustic percussion instruments, etc.). Oops-- that's more than five signal sources, isn't it? :-( The output side plays a role in sorting out the inputs: Two channels will feed a Dynaco 35w/channel stereo power amp (the only stereo power amp I have at the moment), and a third could feed an existing mono powered mixer. Dilemma: The pedal keyboard synthesizer could profit most from stereo; the guitar-controlled synthesizer, from Vortexing. Compounding dilemma: The pedal keyboard patches almost always include bass, for which the Dynaco's power capacity is inadequate. I could easily configure the patches with bass on one channel and the higher-frequency layered sounds on the other-- but it's precisely those layered sounds I want to hear in stereo. AAAAAAAAAARGH! I can dispense with the ersatz stereo from the guitar preamp, but I'm truly obsessed with the notion of a distorted guitar solo over a clean guitar loop, and vice versa. I may have to get my old MXR Stereo Chorus fixed, just to use as a pre-preamp signal splitter. I can dispense with the microphone. So now I'm down to two guitar signals, four synthesizer signals, and two Vortex signals fighting for seven inputs. Well, I can run the pedal keyboard synthesizer directly into the mono powered mixer, till I can find/afford a stereo power amp for it... As I said: Just thoughts, at this juncture-- no conclusions! :-) John Pollock mailto:johnpollock@delphi.com http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock (Troubador Tech) From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 10:18:19 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 10 09:05:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbTPp-0006kf-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:05:01 -0700 Message-Id: <199706101559.IAA04520@scv4.apple.com> Subject: RE: Improving looper interfaces Date: Tue, 10 Jun 97 11:00:31 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"AS7U_.A.r4F.CoXnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:05:01 -0700 X-UIDL: 0de8565938056139ac9882eac4255896 >Travis mentioned that he would rather see money spent on the feature set >than on the interface. While I agree with the sentiment, I must admit >that I have been very frustrated with the limited user interface of the >JamMan, particularly the display. We've had tons of feature suggestions >but getting advanced features into the box usually means you have >parameters to tweek. How do you display BPM on a box like the JamMan. >Good luck. The bottom line is, you don't want to blow the budget on the >user interface but you have to be not careful to put in too little. If you want to display BPM, you have to have a numerical readout, there's no two ways about it. As far as improving the interface on future JamMan, I'd suggest something like the the Zoom 508 uses. It has a two character display with about 10 dots that come on to indicate the status of different modes. Some of the display messages appear in the form of scrolling text, and I was surprised at how much info they managed to cram into two alphanumeric characters and a few dots. If you've got something as powerful as the JamMan, I think you really need to put more on the front panel, and yes, raise the price a little. Jon, can you give an estimate as to how much it would have added to the JamMan list to physically add in a simple LED display (not factoring in the additional R&D time to tweak the interface to take advantage of the increased info bandwidth)? The Echoplex was about $300 more than the JamMan, and seemed to have about $300 more stuff, more features, and more display info on the front panel. However, that $300 seemed to be the breaking point for a lot of people, it was just too much for them to drop, even people who were already fairly loop-aware. I said this before in mail to Motley, and I don't think it's a stunning revelation, but I think that selling looping devices to the masses requires in-store demo's of how to use the thing. I play tapes for people of the live looping stuff I've done, and they think it's four or five people playing--they may like the music, but the "magic trick" nature of looping is invisible on tape. If you have a musician show another musician how to use one of the Big Three, I'd say your chance of selling them a box goes up five-fold. This requires someone who can adequately demo the product (which consists of more than playing some riff haphazardly into the loop and hitting "hold" and then saying "Now you can solo over it!") and answer questions. This isn't going to happen unless the manufacturer pays someone to go on a tour of dealers doing clinics. Perhaps an instructional video tape, for $5 to interested parties? Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 10:18:04 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 10 05:49:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbQMB-00067c-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 05:49:03 -0700 Message-Id: <9706101244.AA27376@beryllium.lexicon.com> Priority: urgent Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:22:00 -0400 From: "Sellon, Bob" Subject: RE: Improving looper interfaces To: Loopers-Delight X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Resent-Message-ID: <"g-glRD.A.5nF.UyUnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 05:49:03 -0700 X-UIDL: f7f678fa8741120f8085dfbcde8568ae One point to keep in mind is that refining a user interface does not always mean modifying the physical controls. One of the things we have been looking very closely at is the reuse of buttons for different functions depending on the state of the machine (JamMan in this case). For us, this started with Tap which, on the first prototype (a modified PCM 42) was two separate buttons: Start and End. The thinking is that it is easier to have one control that you must manipulate a certain way than to have a separate control for each function. With a growing feature set, the separate control approach will leave little room on stage for the performers. The trick is finding the right combination of functions for a particular control (aftertouch, etc..) so that functions are still easy to get to. This is a lot harder than it seems and I've/we've certainly made some mistakes but I do believe this is fertile ground. One of the reasons the guitar is such a popular instrument is that it provides a relatively simple interface with an incredibly wide degree of control. Travis mentioned that he would rather see money spent on the feature set than on the interface. While I agree with the sentiment, I must admit that I have been very frustrated with the limited user interface of the JamMan, particularly the display. We've had tons of feature suggestions but getting advanced features into the box usually means you have parameters to tweek. How do you display BPM on a box like the JamMan. Good luck. The bottom line is, you don't want to blow the budget on the user interface but you have to be not careful to put in too little. Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec ---------- From: Loopers-Delight[SMTP:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com] Sent: Monday, June 09, 1997 4:07 PM To: Looper's Delight Subject: Improving looper interfaces ---------------------------------------------------- >Loopers are in their infancy when compared to the development of the grand >piano or a guitar, or many other fine instruments. We should not be >satisfied that the ergonomics of looping instruments have been well solved >or worked out. We do have a long way to go! > >That may be an important role for our little group in the looping universe. >How should this instrument work ergonomically? How can we make it better? >You have the ears of the most progressive designers in the field present on >this list, tell us what you think! > >And as technology allows us more possibilites, the interface design becomes >even more challenging. Many ideas for what the next generation of loopers >should do have been proposed here. How will the musician control these >features? What will make them intuitive and easy to use expressively, like >guitars and pianos and saxophones? This reminds me of the "alternate synth controller" thread that pops up in the keyboard world every now and then. It usually starts with someone bemoaning the fact that the Most Powerful Sound Generating Device Known To Man is triggered by roughly the same interface that Mozart used on a harpsichord. "Surely there have been advances in controller/interface technology in the last few centuries!", says the frustrated synthesist, "Why just the other night I was thinking that if I could control the vibrato of each individual voice by moving my toes along a vertical axis, I would FINALLY BE ABLE TO GET SOME MUSIC MADE! Naturally, this addition alone would not be nearly enough to allow me to express my considerable talent, I also wish to be able to control the filter sweep my moving my toes along the horizontal axis. Nay, even this would not be enough to convey the worlds of sound that are trapped within my head--I want to be able to dynamically assign the horizontal and vertical movement of each of my ten toes (if only I had more!) to a different paramenter, for each patch, as needed. I DEMAND that all the International MIDI Committee immediately adopt and standardize this Ten-Toe Controller (10TC) as a required addition to all future keyboards and effects processors. P.S. I wish to pay no more than $24.99 for this controller." Given that there's a bit of hyperbole involved in the above example, but it took forever for aftertouch to become fairly common. And there was one keyboard which would would read wiggling the keys from side to side, so that you could apply vibrato with a guitaristic motion. As far as making looping device interfaces more ergonomic, I'd rather that money be spent on fixing the feature set, rather then devising some sort of cuddly accordian-style interface. Every dollar spent on, say, a large-LCD display on the front of the unit or physical dials to control parameters is a dollar less spent on developing the software/hardware. In addition, I think that looping rigs tend to be more esoteric than the average musician, who only sends audio in one direction. I remember a long-lived thread on MIDI foot-controller implementation for the Big Two, and there didn't seem to be a consensus on what people wanted out of it. If Lexicon or Oberheim has to try and second guess all the unusual, one-of-a-kind rigs that the next generation of loopers are going to be installed into (whoops--scratch Lex, they already decided that looping was too much work for not enough payback), we'll never see anything. I don't want to sound like I'm advocating a position of "everything's great--we should all be so grateful for the crumbs we've been thrown". I think that any improvements on the interface front are going to come from specific solutions to specific problems, not from saying "I wish everything were more flexible and easier to use!". Think of something like the Parson's-White B-bender or the Floyd Rose tailpiece, they were solutions to clearly identified problems ("How can I play this three-handed lick with two hands?" and "How can I yank on my vibrato bar all night without going out of tune?"). Granted, they don't represent a change in the guitar interface, but as we move out of the realm of physical tone generators and into the more hypothetical realm of digital audio manipulation, the ground is uncharted. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 22:47:02 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 10 12:41:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbWnX-0001B3-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:41:43 -0700 Message-Id: <199706101827.LAA19796@scv4.apple.com> Subject: Looping show and broadcast, Austin TX Date: Tue, 10 Jun 97 13:28:37 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"yM-VW.A.rn.gyanz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:41:43 -0700 X-UIDL: 70eb2e410eb076dbfd020d787283916a On Thursday, June 12th, Tiktok will be performing on radio (KUT 90.5 FM, starting somewhen between 11 and 11:30 AM, for about an hour) and in person (Movements Art Gallery, 211 E. 6th, 7PM until 11ish, appearing with Golden Arm Trio). Anyone interested in ambient improvised looping instrumentals is invited to tune in and/or show up. Tiktok (Travis Hartnett & Jon Matis) From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 10:18:05 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 10 06:31:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbR1E-0007Vx-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 06:31:28 -0700 Message-ID: <339D6BA2.533C@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 07:58:42 -0700 From: rick canton Organization: kaynar ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: mixer suggestions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hdRUfD.A.q5G._ZVnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 06:31:28 -0700 X-UIDL: 0fe171cdc29204ae83acd0981f783eea in my guitar rack i have a preamp w/ a visual volume pedal in the fx loop, mono out into an ada cabinet simulator , mono out into a 1x4 splitter. 1st output goes to an intellifex ltd , 2nd output goes to the 2nd intellifex ltd , the 3rd out put goes to the 1st channel of a RANE SM-82 MIXER , the 4th out put goes to a small sabine tuner. the 2 intellifex`s go stereo out to the RANE SM-82 MIXER . then of the stereo fx loops in the RANE SM-82 MIXER , i patch in mt 2 plexi`s w/ 198 seconds each.from the main outputs of the RANE SM-82 MIXER , i go into a rolls tube mic pre , then XLR out to the mixer. CAN YOU GUESS WHAT MIXER I USE? i got the mixer from full compass catalog for about $410.00. it has much more options than i can throw at it ,or how i`m using it , & it`s pretty quiet..... so :RANE SM-82 MIXER thanks, rick From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 11:27:42 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 10 11:22:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbVYu-0002CB-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:22:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Opinions (was: questions for one and all) Message-ID: <19970610.101129.8438.0.zenchi@juno.com> References: <970605181439_372875049@emout20.mail.aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.15 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,6-12,14-18,20,22,24-25,27-29,31,33,35-39,41-42, 44,46,48,50-52,54-55,57,59-64 From: zenchi@juno.com (Robert L Williams) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:14:35 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"NdSOsB.A.qlB.HoZnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:22:32 -0700 X-UIDL: e4a13d4b65eeeae4b0549555b60a5d38 On Thu, 5 Jun 1997 18:15:28 -0400 (EDT) MiqSk8@aol.com writes: >has anyone here on the list seen the david torn instructional videos? >i'm still pretty new at looping but have a fairly firm grasp on signal >processing; would these be of worth ($69+) to me? what do they cover, >and are they more theory based or just the "look what cool sound i get out of >this cool box" type thing? Seen em, own em, dig em. The first tape covers DTs guitar, pedal and amp setup. He spends a little time discussing the beauty of the TransTrem as a fairly concise overview of how to mutate amp tones. Tape two is a cool intro to looping from both an improv/compositional basis as well as hardware. Both tapes begin and end with loop performance, so there's kind of a bonus. Well worth the investment. >on to more real loopy stuff... has anyone here ever seen the Joni >Mitchell concert video Shadows and Light? Her band at the time was michael >brecker, don elias, lyle mays, pat metheny, and the monster known as jaco >pastorious. jaco's solo takes advantage of the lexicon(judging by the blue on the >box) delay to build a quick loop to blow over. it's really cool, >grooving(of course), and jaco just has the technology dialed in. warning:this solo >does not appear on the cd! Seen it, own it, dig it. Jaco was using an MXR Delay and Pitch Transposer around that time. Yeah, the solo is cool because you can hear not only a Hendrix tune, but what was to become "Teen town". Metheny was the one using Lexicon stuff. (snip of zoom stuff. nothing to add) >and now for the big kahuna- what is it that all of us are trying to >achieve by looping? i'm really interested in the sounds coming out of this >group. Atmospheres? Textures? "Sound Carpets"? Precision Pointillism? >Industrial Indigestion? or more of the compositional types of multiple loops >created on the fly and then swapped between? in other words a way to build >traditional sections of composition to be arranged. i realize this predates the >looper's cd, but i think it would be cool for us to get an idea of what's going >on with all this equipment and talent and ... Seeking, Doing, Digging. Not having tried enough aspects, its hard to know or say where I'm headed. By the same token I don't think I'll want to narrow my focus, it seems too limiting. Like when people ask what I play, I don't say guitar or bass, etc., I tell them music. The genre classification stuff is better done by journalists. Just amuse yourself and let someone else decide what is. Robert Williams DERISION From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 10:18:22 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 10 09:45:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbU3A-00029p-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:45:40 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706101620.MAA13496@user1.channel1.com> X-Sender: seahorse@user1.channel1.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Frank Gerace Subject: Re: questions for one and all Resent-Message-ID: <"svpqJ.A.PbB.CLYnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:45:40 -0700 X-UIDL: ac64e2bd52ddc1c44624d13fdb5993b6 At 02:41 PM 6/6/97 +0200, you wrote: >On 6/4/97 you wrote: >> >>and now for the big kahuna- what is it that all of us are trying to achieve >>by looping? i'm really interested in the sounds coming out of this group. >>Atmospheres? Textures? "Sound Carpets"? Precision Pointillism? Industrial >>Indigestion? or more of the compositional types of multiple loops created on >>the fly and then swapped between? in other words a way to build traditional >>sections of composition to be arranged. i realize this predates the looper's >>cd, but i think it would be cool for us to get an idea of what's going on >>with all this equipment and talent and ... >> I'm new to this list so this seems an appropriate opportunity for an introduction. I play guitar through a VG-8 into a Roland RPS-10 into a JamMan into an AC30. My partner, Cheryl Wanner, runs her voice through a JamMan (sometimes) and plays bass and wire strung harp. We do sort of tone poems and sound paintings, any other categoies and labels we leave to whoever wants to saddle themselves with them. Some samples of our stuff are on our website, . Our use of loops came from filling in the spaces that not having other players opened up. We don't use drums or drum machines, so loops help create a nice percolating rhythm when needed. I find, that like the person who just expanded his memory on his JamMan, I also use the loop function to lay down a backing track and play 'live' parts over it for a live multitracking approach, on some material. As time passes, we are using more of the JamMan's capabilities in our material. Cheryl now samples vocal lines on the fly and inserts them backwards and forwards in harmony (sung live) as the mood moves her. Initially, she was just creating and layering a few loops. While a lot of this stuff is fairly elementary useage of looping technology, it fills the bill for our needs and is providing new avenues of exploration for us. Although I can't see us becoming an all loop experience, we are certainly enjoying exploring the different possibilities. I found the main revelation of the Torn videos to be the use of a mixer in his setup. I thoroughly enjoyed the rest of the video and while I knew and utilised a lot of the ideas he mentioned already about using the various sounds your equipment generates, I found it a very inspiring two hours that made me want to create some new noises and loops (always a good thing). Given the future (or lack thereof) of the JamMan, we have been considering buying a spare and upgrading it for those emergency situations where your main toy suddenly stops working. Of course, having said that, and seeing the Oberheim Echoplexes are actually still in production (and shipping, it seems), the thought of buying one and switching over to that has crossed my mind, too. Mainly for the 'undo' function. The ability to create mini-loops on the VG-8 with its delay and layer them into the JamMan's main loops is key for a few of the pieces we do, but I'd love to be able to remove them as well as the song progresses. As it stands now, I can create them 'live' on the VG-8 and not add them to the Jam Man loops, so I drop them out of the mix by switching patches. The problem is, sometimes I'd like to switch patches and leave the loop there and remove it later. By the way, what's the loopers CD referenced above? Frank Gerace Dreamchild From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 10:18:23 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 10 10:18:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbUYx-0004ho-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:18:31 -0700 Message-ID: <339D8225.11AA@crystalball.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:34:45 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@crystalball.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: fun with retriggering and anti-guitar diatribes References: <970607044824_123840202@emout19.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HFMpeC.A.tEE.ntYnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:18:31 -0700 X-UIDL: 4b8efa27fdbc8562be8e626e83a8bff1 BlkSwan03@aol.com wrote: > > Geez Kim, is that Klein already old hat? I was just getting very interested! > But yes, this is true about the almost 100% nature of guitar talk here. ( > Altho, I love them too) I'm just kind of wondering, where are all the > synth and sampler characters? Looping on midi instruments using the loop > function on the sequencer is quite the experience. You don't have to worry > about length at all and the fidelity is extraordinary. Stereo is a given. > Set your synth or sampler to multimode and roll. Just change midi channels > for desired sounds and..........well, there it is. I always find > interesting places this way. Volume, panning, and even sounds can be changed > at any time. For those who haven't experienced this, go commandeer a synth > with the aforementioned sequencer option and > go mad. Also, what about vocal compositions? Chants and all, with lots of > effects? > > Jim Ahh, but try and play that passage in reverse. The envelopes don't reverse even if you can. Motley From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 22:46:54 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 10 12:28:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbWat-00002r-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:28:39 -0700 X-From_:mail@bocs.co.uk Tue Jun 10 12:28:08 1997 Received: from mail.bogo.co.uk [193.112.164.14] (root) by ferret with esmtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbWZy-0007ju-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:27:43 -0700 Received: from pcsup2 (dial22.web-plus.co.uk [193.192.199.22]) by mail.bogo.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA32282 for ; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:27:00 +0100 Message-Id: <199706101927.UAA32282@mail.bogo.co.uk> Reply-To: From: "bocs" To: Subject: time stretching delays Old-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:30:04 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Mail to Andrew@bocs.com bounced 2 times X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:28:39 -0700 X-UIDL: 54410fa53da16f1a6aac19b6093f2ee4 Apart from the (possibly modified) Lexicon PCM42 what other delays allow one to slow down sounds (rather than pitch shift them)? I've got a BOSS DD2 and it's got a 'hold' feature whereby you can twist a knob to slow down/speed up ( depending where the knob was set before stepping on the pedal). It can make some interesting sounds,especially when you output it to a longer looper. However, in order to do this it involves the loss of your right arm, as well as a foot, and the delay time is under 2 sec So,a looper where you can input signal, slow it down, overlay more etc, with the speed controlled by a pedal. DT vid owners will have seen this effect ably demonstrated by the pcm42 ( and DT I should add) It's a beautiful sound. regards Andrew -------------------- Andrew@bocs.com From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 22:47:09 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 10 14:39:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbYdT-0004iV-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:39:27 -0700 Message-Id: <20439.199706102136@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:36:25 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Re: Sustainer Update Resent-Message-ID: <"4OgP-C.A.6JE.vjcnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:39:27 -0700 X-UIDL: 2f578575582e87bf49c858c8053f7700 >I'm peeking inside my Ebow, and one pickup definitely has thicker >wire than the other, but I really can't say how thick it is (thicker, >yes, but still a very thin wire). If you're really serious, >you might consider dissecting an ebow for testing wire sizes/ >current and such. >also: >The pickup centers on the Ebow are 1 11/64 inch apart. > >Good luck! > >jim Jim, you are an ANGEL!!! I'd not realised the EBow actually recieved string information. 1.2" is much less than the distance between adjacent pickups, so it should be OK to avoid unstable loops (!) with adjacent pickups. I guess it's a problem on the Fer because it's using a blade coil rather than seperate polepeices. Anybody know anything about magnetic field morphologies?!? As for buying an EBow, I'll have to judge whether it impinges on my budget - after all, Fer sell a whole system for £250 ($400)... It's nearly 11pm. Goodnight, Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 22:47:13 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 10 15:45:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbZey-0001qo-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:45:04 -0700 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199706102242.PAA29317@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Sustainer Update To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:42:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20439.199706102136@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> from "Dr M. P. Hughes" at Jun 10, 97 10:36:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"S5iTV.A.MgB.Phdnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:45:04 -0700 X-UIDL: b167780c189da8f94fbc05fbc896149f > As for buying an EBow, I'll have to judge whether it impinges on= > my budget > - after all, Fer sell a whole system for =A3250 ($400)... > > It's nearly 11pm. Goodnight, > Michael Oh my. I paid $69 + shipping for my Ebow here in the U.S. Is it really that expensive in the UK? Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 22:47:21 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 10 18:44:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbcSd-0006OH-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:44:31 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:47:03 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: RE: Improving looper interfaces Resent-Message-ID: <"dwW3AB.A.0LF.XGgnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:44:31 -0700 X-UIDL: b5fd78edc9d2aaba651e70db3d869e1b >I said this before in mail to Motley, and I don't think it's a stunning >revelation, but I think that selling looping devices to the masses >requires in-store demo's of how to use the thing. I play tapes for >people of the live looping stuff I've done, and they think it's four or >five people playing--they may like the music, but the "magic trick" >nature of looping is invisible on tape. If you have a musician show >another musician how to use one of the Big Three, I'd say your chance of >selling them a box goes up five-fold. This requires someone who can >adequately demo the product (which consists of more than playing some >riff haphazardly into the loop and hitting "hold" and then saying "Now >you can solo over it!") and answer questions. This isn't going to happen >unless the manufacturer pays someone to go on a tour of dealers doing >clinics. Lexicon did that well, at least the demo I saw in Frankfurt was convincing. The LOOP delay was well demonstrated by Ljubo Majstorovic the year before and I remember having seen Lexicon staff watching well ;-) I hope Oberheim will get there, too, and some of you guys get a job... >Perhaps an instructional video tape, for $5 to interested parties? Yes, yes! Old dream. We could even do animated graphics while the sound is rolling to explain better what happens during the various functions, which has shown to be very difficult in the manual (and even for myself, when I try to imagine what the functions should do and how I can acomplish it). Its hard to do time dependent scratch designs. Once the user can imagine where things are stored in memory, the understanding of the functions turn much more intuitive. From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 22:47:22 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 10 18:44:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbcSb-0006Nw-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:44:29 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:47:10 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: symetrix delay Resent-Message-ID: <"FiVbhC.A.QNF.fGgnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:44:29 -0700 X-UIDL: 0b2048631fe49a1bada3d3f85826b7d6 >Anybody checked out the Symetrix "606 Delay f/x Machine"? Any reactions? > >Looks like a great delay unit; true stereo, 20bit A/D, filters, modulation, >tap tempo, midi sync, and knobs..... > >Downside seems to be only 2.6 seconds for "normal resolution" and 1.3 >seconds for "high resolution." Memory is cheap, what are they thinking? Not every delay is a loop machine. In fact all delay machines only serve for looping in a limited way. Tempo tap helps but does not resolve. From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 22:47:23 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 10 18:45:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbcT0-0006RL-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:44:54 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:47:15 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Zoom 508 delay vs. Steinway pianos vs. Klein guitars Resent-Message-ID: <"vFG5sD.A.dNF.gGgnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:44:54 -0700 X-UIDL: 6ac011abfff7c654d15b895aa3505fec LoOpDoctOr, Your diagnosis is nice and smart. Why just questions? What is the remedy? Your proposuals are of high provocative value. Matthias From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 22:47:24 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 10 18:45:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbcTK-0006U1-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:45:14 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:47:19 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Non-Guitar Looping Resent-Message-ID: <"KuGGd.A.aPF.rGgnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:45:14 -0700 X-UIDL: c838aa1627d54b5b9425546036cc3e7f Right! I am looking for a small mixer with few high quality channels (at least one parametric mid and phantom, maybe compression) and few stereo channels. Is there one on the market? Arn't there enough users for such thing in all those home PC studios and for individuals on stage? From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 22:47:24 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 10 18:45:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbcTJ-0006Ty-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:45:13 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:47:25 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Sustain(Warning!) Resent-Message-ID: <"S7Yd9B.A.eQF.xGgnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:45:13 -0700 X-UIDL: 3117974a45a19e3b5fe9907103b7c622 >I've just tried driving 10V into a neck p/u, which doesn't seemed to have >harmed it - hasn't started any strings oscilating though! The unit >measures at about 8Kohm, meaning about 1mA is flowing through the coils. >Not enough, it seems... 10mW will not destroy much, give it 10 times more to try. From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 22:47:29 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 10 19:32:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbcTZ-0006Vo-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:45:29 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:47:35 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: World Loop Discography Resent-Message-ID: <"i553oB.A.XSF.-Ggnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:45:29 -0700 X-UIDL: a626b2d8aa9a2cfb3c84b09ca74a1185 Hi Michael >I'm back from vacation, How was it? Met some loopists in US? >and ready to HTMLize new entries for the Personal >Profiles webpage (and for the Loopology webpage). If you want to add your >Personal Profile to the page, put together what seems important to you (if >you want, in a tabular form just like most existing entries) and send it to >me. In fact, I think the most important for the page would be a collection of at least names, maybe short descriptions of CDs with loops on them. Many hints have been given in many mails... maybe someone has the good energy to look them through, condense the information to a list and send it to Michael to HTMLize? Many would thank forever... Matthias From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 22:47:27 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 10 19:08:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbcTX-0006W3-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:45:28 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:47:40 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: RE: Non-Guitar Looping Resent-Message-ID: <"gbIxTB.A.4TF.GHgnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:45:28 -0700 X-UIDL: a27d7a317f89d12ed23d48e74474497b John said: >I have used >combinations of guitar, synth and vocals in loops. How did you use the voice, and what was the experience? With lyrics, only refrain, only background sound? Matthias From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 22:47:32 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 10 19:35:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbcTb-0006W4-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:45:31 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:47:45 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Improving looper interfaces Resent-Message-ID: <"EwAS9C.A.5VF.UHgnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:45:31 -0700 X-UIDL: b3ff8f24a06a9a96b5e3061197812f3f Travis is posting very serios contributions: >This reminds me of the "alternate synth controller" thread that pops up >in the keyboard world every now and then. It usually starts with someone >bemoaning the fact that the Most Powerful Sound Generating Device Known >To Man is triggered by roughly the same interface that Mozart used on a >harpsichord. Its growing, as you say below, and slow growth it an interesting way. >it took forever for aftertouch to become fairly common. And there was >one keyboard which would would read wiggling the keys from side to side, >so that you could apply vibrato with a guitaristic motion. phantastic! which one? I would like to try... >As far as making looping device interfaces more ergonomic, I'd rather >that money be spent on fixing the feature set, rather then devising some >sort of cuddly accordian-style interface. Every dollar spent on, say, a >large-LCD display on the front of the unit or physical dials to control >parameters is a dollar less spent on developing the software/hardware. -----> I think the developpment of the processor and the controller will be more and more separate. The processor has a strong hardware and can run the software the user likes. The controller has to fit to the use and ability of the player. So the processor should be simple, with a port for any kind of controllers. MIDI is good enough for LOOP processors, I think. We can keep developping parameters that some users will connect to some trick with their controllers. The controller can be cheap or sophisticated, customized or chines. It can be a simple field of keys or a monkeys futuristic rig. It can make use of all parameters or just a few. Some is real now: We do offer a separate Overdubb socket on the Plex, so you can put your key where you want. You can have as many as you want (all without MIDI) and in all forms. Mine is mounted on the volume pedal and reacts on a pressure to the left with the big toe - no complicated installation. SF singer Jim Mahoney built his little box with all the keys he needs and hides it in hand while singing. He knows the fingering and does not need to look at it, nor to stop his walk over the stage - simple, efficient and cheaper than the original pedal! >In addition, I think that looping rigs tend to be more esoteric than the >average musician, who only sends audio in one direction. I remember a >long-lived thread on MIDI foot-controller implementation for the Big Two, >and there didn't seem to be a consensus on what people wanted out of it. >If Lexicon or Oberheim has to try and second guess all the unusual, >one-of-a-kind rigs that the next generation of loopers are going to be >installed into (whoops--scratch Lex, they already decided that looping >was too much work for not enough payback), we'll never see anything. True, gessing is hard. Collecting the information is easyer, but still does not allow to follow every wish. But its the only way to grow, I think. >think that any improvements on the interface front are going to come from >specific solutions to specific problems, not from saying "I wish >everything were more flexible and easier to use!". Very true. A big part of inventing is taking decisions and selecting smartly from infinite options. Think of something >like the Parson's-White B-bender or the Floyd Rose tailpiece, they were >solutions to clearly identified problems ("How can I play this >three-handed lick with two hands?" and "How can I yank on my vibrato bar >all night without going out of tune?"). Granted, they don't represent a >change in the guitar interface, but as we move out of the realm of >physical tone generators and into the more hypothetical realm of digital >audio manipulation, the ground is uncharted. You name the successful ones, unfortunately there were a lot more good inventions that for some reason faded unnoticed, but thats another chapter. Yes, the digital manipulations leaves so many options and makes it very hard to decide. So we will try to individualize more. Thats what the computer is about. If you want to really profit of the flexibility of a digital machine, you allways end up with a general computer with individual software and preference parameters. The probem is, that there is no handy computers for stage, and the controllers need to be improved. Matthias From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 22:47:25 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 10 18:46:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbcTz-0006ae-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:45:56 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:47:54 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Sustainer Update Resent-Message-ID: <"LCoDGD.A.FXF.bHgnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:45:56 -0700 X-UIDL: 724e4ca33450b31962ac08d91b4e38fe >Problem is, this needs to be done right, so I'm asking everybody for >suggestions on this... any idea what's required? I'm just going for a lot >of bigger-gauge turns - we'll have no idea of the impedance 'till it's >built - but does anybody have any ideas of the impedance of the Fernandez >neck pickup? Or the current flowing into it, at least? (You guys with Fer. >guitars could measure this by checking the draw from the batteries) If you want to copy the one that works, better buy one. If you want to reinvent it, do it with your inspiration and suffering, it might end up better than the existing! ...and certainly different, individual... >I'm guessing (literally!!!) that I'll need a Z of about 100ohm, producing a >current of about 100mA - a total draw of about 1 Watt. Is that OK or a >bit too extreme? Is 10ma sufficient (I'm guessing it probably isn't)? >Opinions, _please_!! Why not 50ohms to meet an old standard, or even 8, to meet another? It mainly depends on how you power the thing. From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 22:47:25 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 10 18:46:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbcUK-0006dK-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:46:16 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:48:04 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: mixer suggestions Resent-Message-ID: <"YUrwF.A.xZF.tHgnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:46:16 -0700 X-UIDL: 05ae6fa8ffd9f0c30234c12a4165f1d5 Rick was speaking about: > a visual volume pedal that sounds interesting?! From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 22:47:31 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 10 19:34:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbdFB-0002Hq-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:34:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199706110232.TAA07312@mailtod-2.alma.webtv.net> From: inti@webtv.net (Carlos Carrillo) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:32:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Fwd: 606 questions Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=WebTV-Mail-358509032-826 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"mWMwnC.A.p3B.w4gnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:34:41 -0700 X-UIDL: a8166fc6d89328b15f671cd8468244a2 Greetings everyone. This is a little more info on the Symetrix delay. Carlos R. Carrillo Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:01:18 -0400 From: "Jon Bosaw [Symetrix]" Subject: 606 questions To: Carlos Carrillo Message-ID: <199706101301_MC2-1836-118F@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Thank you for your email, The memory on the 606 can not be updated. Looping can only be achieved as regenerated echo. However, due to the 24 bit internal processing the unit will continue to play a delayed part for hours without signal loss. Dynamics can be used as a modulation source. It is labelled as "log" in the modulation section. An envelope follower can be created by using "log" to modulate the filter section. The unit is quite open ended regarding modulation and assignment. I hope this has helped to answer your questions. Please feel free to contact Symetrix with any other questions you may have regarding this. Jon Bosaw From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 22:47:34 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 10 22:32:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbg1N-0004em-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:32:37 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 00:58:29 -0400 From: crb@silvertone.Princeton.EDU (Curtis Bahn) Message-Id: <199706110458.AAA23917@silvertone.Princeton.EDU> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: mixer suggestions/volumepedal References: Resent-Message-ID: <"luApsD.A.dJE.kfjnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:32:37 -0700 X-UIDL: 50fd7d228ee9b2ab71603e29577e82c4 do you know where this is available? curtis >the pedal is called visual volume , it`s a passive stereo volume pedal... From ???@??? Tue Jun 10 22:47:33 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 10 21:07:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbehO-0007WG-00; Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:07:54 -0700 Message-ID: <339E3924.2F2A@cyberportal.net> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 22:35:32 -0700 From: rick canton Organization: kaynar ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: mixer suggestions/volumepedal References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Xe_BiD.A.D1G.PQinz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:07:54 -0700 X-UIDL: 84d4e1ea5691525f2fa37e3ec0a57c94 Matthias Grob wrote: > > Rick was speaking about: > > a visual volume pedal > > that sounds interesting?! the pedal is called visual volume , it`s a passive stereo volume pedal w/, i think ,10 LED`S on the top left side , that shows you where the pedal is -visually- in its throw , i.e. 3/4`s down , 1/2 way, full , none,etc. to see the LED`S you plug in the wall wart adaptor.*the reason i got this pedal is b/c it was the clearest one i`ve hearrd & i`ve had the BOSS pedals & the earnie ball etc , etc...the adaptor isn`t plugged in when i use it , but if you`re on a dark stage or in a dark room ,it would be a great map.... they also make distortion & other type of pedals too....... rick From ???@??? Wed Jun 11 10:22:48 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 11 01:50:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbj7K-000731-00; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 01:50:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:47:10 -0400 (EDT) From: BlkSwan03@aol.com Message-ID: <970611044710_-628898507@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: RE: Improving looper interfaces Resent-Message-ID: <"TktwTC.A.zeG.xZmnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 01:50:58 -0700 X-UIDL: 98680c72a22f065721a7cb53210cb822 In a message dated 6/11/97 5:50:06 AM, you wrote: <<>Perhaps an instructional video tape, for $5 to interested parties? >> A video tape would be great. Done well (not the usual cornball stuff) it would be quite effective. Trouble is, most videos end up with godawful music and truly uninspiring individuals. Jim From ???@??? Wed Jun 11 10:22:49 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 11 03:51:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbkzd-000347-00; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 03:51:09 -0700 Message-Id: <1936.199706111046@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:46:08 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Re: Sustainer Update Resent-Message-ID: <"a5aswD.A.XxC.rJonz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 03:51:09 -0700 X-UIDL: aded67da356a9d7e9f6be7d79b78a9ff >> As for buying an EBow, I'll have to judge whether it impinges on= >> my budget >> - after all, Fer sell a whole system for =A3250 ($400)... >Oh my. I paid $69 + shipping for my Ebow here in the U.S. Is it >really that expensive in the UK? They're about £80 ($120-130) ...(that's 80 pounds btw - £ is a pound symbol on _my_ keyboard!!) but by the time the EBow, and the additional pickup etc are added together, plus other bits, it starts getting expensive.... on the sustainer front, I'm trying to find a 100V ac generator to try... Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Wed Jun 11 10:22:50 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 11 04:15:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wblMi-0004Et-00; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:15:00 -0700 Message-ID: <339E881E.47A3@lucent.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:12:30 +0100 From: robin bussell Reply-To: robin.bussell@lucent.com Organization: lucent technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sustainer Update References: <1936.199706111046@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"UBoNE.A.tzD.qgonz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:15:00 -0700 X-UIDL: 8f8eddf4b44ca35b0f86152273e93bfe > on the sustainer front, I'm trying to find a 100V ac generator to try... > > Michael > Hi, I'm new to the list so I hope you'll forgive me if this has been mentioned before, but I assume you're investigating electromagnetic methods of producing infinite sustain on guitar notes, well I recall an old roland guitar synth that used a hexaphonic pickup, fed boosted and current limited versions of the signal from each string down that string (the bridge was insulated) and then had a powerful magnet in one of the pickup positions. Have you considered that approach? Robin. From ???@??? Wed Jun 11 10:22:50 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 11 04:00:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbl8F-0003dt-00; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:00:03 -0700 Message-ID: <339E99CC.67F8@cyberportal.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 05:27:56 -0700 From: rick canton Organization: kaynar ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: mixer suggestions/volumepedal References: <199706110458.AAA23917@silvertone.Princeton.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tuR13.A.5TD.3Sonz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 04:00:03 -0700 X-UIDL: d07258c16d2d1ea8842f1401c0c4f7a7 Curtis Bahn wrote: > > do you know where this is available? > curtis > > >the pedal is called visual volume , it`s a passive stereo volume pedal... i picked up mine at -guitar center- in boston , i`ve seen adds in guitar player magazine.... From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 10:24:13 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 12 05:44:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wc9ET-00042u-00; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 05:44:05 -0700 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F10C7@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: New Ideas for Loop-boxes: Wishes and Dreams Department. Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:34:35 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"k6C8vC.A.ZbD.x4-nz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 05:44:05 -0700 X-UIDL: 5cfb9595c6b1d690b303fb76fb261abb >And as technology allows us more possibilites, the interface design becomes >even more challenging. Many ideas for what the next generation of loopers >should do have been proposed here. How will the musician control these >features? What will make them intuitive and easy to use expressively, like >guitars and pianos and saxophones? >kim Kim & Loop-Folk Picking up on the idea -- how about adding a special page to the LOOPERS-DELIGHT Web-page capturing these ideas in an ongoing basis? In the meantime here are a few ideas I have for improving the ergonomics / usability of looping devices to add to your files... Comments anyone? 1. Visual reference points for where one is in a loop. a) a waveshape would be an excelent visual representation b) a kind of LCD "time-o-meter" spining one revolution/loop (like divers' watches with all those fancy dials) - sometimes it can be quite difficult to know where one is in a long loop. - it would help time placement of "new additions" and multiples...and general "situational -- "where am I?"" needs... - and maybe with two colours: Red for "that which has RECENTLY been added" and Green for "that which has already been added" 2. Manipulation of end-to-end connect points... Open Loop / Close Loop - imagne a 10 second loop. Then imagine connecting two points within that 10 seconds to create a newer shorter loop. 10 sec. loop: aa(start)> bb> cc> dd> ee> ff> gg> hh> ii> jj> kk(end)> --->> aa> bb> etc new shorter loop: dd(newstart)> ee> ff> gg(newend)> --> dd> ee> ff> etc. and then connecting from cc> to hh>... etc. I'm half sure someone will tell me this is already available -- if only I knew how.... 3. Computer interface/controlability... - seems like a good idea 4 Tie-ins with all new the hard-disk recording gear - may be helpful for loop-"boxes" to stay in the market... - to create "an Easy Sample-Builder" capability for studios and midi minded folk. 5. Return&send ins/outs 6. Stereo in ONE box 7. More versatile input sensitivity 8. Knobs and Pots that are securred to the boxes chasis -- not just attached to the circuit boards... -For $500+ I expect some element of "robustness." 9. Variable Pitch - Imagine taking a loop and changing its pitch by turning a wheel/knob. +/- One Octave would be fab. 10. Leds/lights on the Oberheim foot-controller - For live performance, I'm not always close enough to my rack to see what's lit-up. But I am close to the foot controller. David Kirkdorffer From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 02:51:57 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 11 11:10:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbrr7-0005ZK-00; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:10:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199706111807.LAA11160@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Four second delays Date: Wed, 11 Jun 97 13:07:31 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"1dBQvD.A.K0E.skunz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:10:49 -0700 X-UIDL: a5ec825a9328760f443a87a53680beca Last week I said that I was unaware of any other long-delay pedals, other than the Zoom 508. The Loopdoctors pointed out the DOD DFX94, which also has 4 seconds. Details are scant on their website, but it appears to be the standard DOD single-wide metal box with one switch and four knobs, and thus no programmability (it also appears to be a mono device). With only one switch I'm unclear as to how you open and close the loop, unless there's a sample/hold mode in which the the delay is always active and the switch just opens the loop for more input. I wish they'd bring back the 8sec, two-switch floorbox. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 02:52:03 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 11 11:48:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbsRX-0001JN-00; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:48:27 -0700 Message-Id: <199706111845.LAA14886@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Symetrix 606 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 97 13:45:58 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"jNu2u.A.N4.xIvnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:48:27 -0700 X-UIDL: 0813c821c0a68ed50a3c16e7e41d497d Indeed, the spec sheet for the 606 looks very interesting (available on their web-site at symetrixaudio.com), basically like a MIDIfied, more tweakable, programmable Vortex. Only 2.6 seconds of delay on each of the two delay lines at low-res (16-bit), 1.3 at high-res (24-bit). Many more features than the beloved Vortex (and no wall-wart), and surprise, surprise, it lists for $649. I called Symetrix, and although the manual isn't available on-line, they agreed to mail me a copy, which I'll report on once I've received and digested. It looks like a groovy piece of gear, with a proportional price-tag. How much support it will receive from the looping community at three times the going rate for Vortex (what did we decide the plural form of "Vortex" was? Vortices?) remains to be seen, but I'm very interested based on first impressions. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 10:24:15 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 12 06:02:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wc9Wh-00067K-00; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 06:02:55 -0700 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F1116@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: "Sellon, Bob" , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: RE: Improving LEXICON interfaces Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:37:56 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"TqMaFD.A.VXF.aK_nz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 06:02:55 -0700 X-UIDL: 332a045e518ca2cc904f21c352031ef7 WARNING -- Exclusely GEAR (- not music -) oriented message (with "rant" content)! Bob -- You mention: >One of the things we have >been looking very closely at is the reuse of buttons for different >functions depending on the state of the machine (JamMan in this case). While the idea may indeed be valid and useful, it's well thought-out execution is most critical. Bob you go on to add: > I must admit that I have been very frustrated with the limited user interface of the > JamMan, particularly the display. Bob -- GOD BLESS YOU!!! Let me offer these thoughts. In June 1995 I bought a JamMan. I was looking forward to lots of fun. Instead, I found: - the interface confusing, - the manual somewhat high on what one could do but very low on how one does it - the little peddles somewhat cheap for a (then) $400 unit. (and why supply only one when TWO are needed for full functionality?) Specifically I was disappointed in the interface. The little "window" with LEDS and numbers was -- in my personal -- were poorly conceived. I felt cost cutting concerns (from Alex & Vortex sharing the same knob & "window" placement) had possibly gone too far and impared JamMan's usability. Unfortunately, knowing the mode I'm in by checking which of three tiny LEDS stacked one atop the other is not a good enough indicator for me. What if the unit is 10 feet away? What if the unit is low in a rack so from an angle it's hard to see which light is lit? I returned the unit after three frustrating weeks to get my money back. I was greatly disappointed. In June 1996 I discovered and bought an Oberheim Echoplex. I was looking forward to lots of fun. Indeed, I found: the interface easy understand -- the well conceived footcontroller making the biggest impact! the manual clear enough I could understand and feet comfortable Clearly, I'm just one guy. Many hundreds of people are Very Happy with their JamDudes. Obviously, JamMan can be used succesfully by a great number of people. I may have just not "gotten into the head" of the thing. The interface was the stumbling block. Let me offer this. I have done market research for software companies for a while now. They will often do a series of FOCUS GROUPS -- where a groups of 6-12 individuals fitting a "likely buyer" profile are brought in and asked in a loose yet structured dialog to use a product. Their experiences are recorded. They are sometimes filmed. Problems they encounter are looked at. Improvements are made. And there are companies that SPECIALIZE in user interface testing and design. When I bought my JamMan I contacted Lexicon marketing and offered to conduct soem FOCUS groups. Clearly it was too late. But I wanted to do something. I suggest looking at TCElectronics products and Baybank terminals for ideas. It seems to LCD screens on LEXICON devices would be a great "palette" to display info. I'll be quiet now and wait for the flames to roar. David Kirkdorffer > -----Original Message----- > From: Sellon, Bob [SMTP:bsellon@lexicon.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 9:22 AM > To: Loopers-Delight > Subject: RE: Improving looper interfaces > > One point to keep in mind is that refining a user interface does not > > always mean modifying the physical controls. One of the things we have > > been looking very closely at is the reuse of buttons for different > functions depending on the state of the machine (JamMan in this case). > > For us, this started with Tap which, on the first prototype (a > modified > PCM 42) was two separate buttons: Start and End. The thinking is that > it > is easier to have one control that you must manipulate a certain way > than > to have a separate control for each function. With a growing feature > set, > the separate control approach will leave little room on stage for the > > performers. The trick is finding the right combination of functions > for a > particular control (aftertouch, etc..) so that functions are still > easy > to get to. This is a lot harder than it seems and I've/we've certainly > > made some mistakes but I do believe this is fertile ground. One of the > > reasons the guitar is such a popular instrument is that it provides a > > relatively simple interface with an incredibly wide degree of control. > > Travis mentioned that he would rather see money spent on the feature > set > than on the interface. While I agree with the sentiment, I must admit > > that I have been very frustrated with the limited user interface of > the > JamMan, particularly the display. We've had tons of feature > suggestions > but getting advanced features into the box usually means you have > parameters to tweek. How do you display BPM on a box like the JamMan. > > Good luck. The bottom line is, you don't want to blow the budget on > the > user interface but you have to be not careful to put in too little. > > Bob Sellon > Lexicon/Stec > > ---------- From ???@??? Wed Jun 11 10:23:02 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 11 09:27:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbqEd-0002LA-00; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:26:59 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:20:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199706111620.LAA20168@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> From: erwill@ix.netcom.com (James E Williamson) Subject: Re: symetrix delay PLEASE READ To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"VTfxT.A.jvB.uCtnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:26:59 -0700 X-UIDL: 0fa3a1aedfd2b8aadfa1f1a849790f54 mathias wrote: > Memory is cheap, what are they thinking? > >Not every delay is a loop machine. In fact all delay machines only serve >for looping in a limited way. Tempo tap helps but does not resolve. > I talked to one of the designers of this delay on the phone a month ago for about two hours about this delay. I'd like to address a few things. first, the impetus for releasing this delay was that the used prices of low-res old delays (pcm-42, timeline, etc) are reaching ridiculous points in big markets. Believe it or not, the pcm42 is widely used in movie post-production, and the hands-on control is the main reason. Second, the reason there is so little memory in this delay is not because Symetrix are stingy, but the DSP which they are using is only capable of addressing a limited amount of memory. In fact, some features had to be taken out to get as much delay time as there is. (in the original sofware, the bit resolution could be set anywhere between 1 and 24!) If the 606 sells well, which it is, Symetrix will (or may already have) start work on a 606 on steroids, to be ready to ship by the end of the year(!). This new machine will posess all the features of the 606 and more. The memory will be upgradeable, there will be a digital output, there will be more parameters. I have recomended that plex/rang features such as undo, multiply, and reverse (the three most important) be implemented, and they have taken me seriously. The list on the 707(?) will be $200 more than the 606. Think: the power of a vortex and two echoplexes with full midi control, full programmability, and 24-bit processing for less than the cost of ONE of Obie's Echoplexes. This is what the looping community has been waiting for. It will not happen, however, unless we go out and buy the 606. If you have a suggestion as far as features of the 707 go, please give Symetrix a call. You will be connected to somebody who knows whats up. As far as I go, I'm still going to buy my two Echoplexes, but salivate over the quadruple loops I could make with two plexes AND a 707. Thanks... ps.If anybody's interested, I put together a tape compilation of local bands which have played at my shows (I put on underground music shows) in May. I have continously mixed my own ambient loops in between each act. The tape (96min long) was professionally duplicated with a full-colour j-card. If anybody wants to buy one they're available for $6 postpaid. -- James Eric Williamson - erwill@ix.netcom.com - erwill@heartland.bradley.edu One of Peoria's most obscure ambient blues musicians From ???@??? Wed Jun 11 10:23:04 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 11 09:40:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbqS1-0003mH-00; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:40:49 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Non-Guitar Looping Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:31:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 32 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: <"hY-yzD.A.nED.xPtnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:40:49 -0700 X-UIDL: 255a5d536a3a1ba0cb3b88983ab18cbc >>>John said: > >>I have used >>combinations of guitar, synth and vocals in loops. > >How did you use the voice, and what was the experience? >With lyrics, only refrain, only background sound? > >Matthias << 1. Harmony for layering 2. Voice as a percussive/rhythmic effect. 3. Sampled talking Many things are possible. That was point. The voice is an expressive instrument, as is a guitar or synth. Anything I put in the Mixer (mackie 1202vlz) is fair game for the Jamman. I haven't tried my trombone yet. (spit valve busted) I had some friends in my studio, I opened up a mic and setup a 5 sec loop on the Jamman. They started to interact with there voices once they realized what was happening. Great fun (wish I had recorded it) later >John > > > From ???@??? Wed Jun 11 10:23:06 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 11 09:52:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbqdR-0004yS-00; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:52:37 -0700 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199706111649.JAA05903@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Sustainer Update To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:49:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1936.199706111046@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> from "Dr M. P. Hughes" at Jun 11, 97 11:46:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"48AehC.A.wXE.Yctnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:52:37 -0700 X-UIDL: 4e370208e62d2ce75805323fee485643 > >Oh my. I paid $69 + shipping for my Ebow here in the U.S. Is it > >really that expensive in the UK? > > They're about =A380 ($120-130) ...(that's 80 pounds btw - =A3 is= > a pound symbol > on _my_ keyboard!!) but by the time the EBow, and the additional= > pickup > etc are added together, plus other bits, it starts getting expensive....= > =20 > on the sustainer front, I'm trying to find a 100V ac generator to= > try... > > Michael=20 Oh ok. You are including the cost of an additional pickup in addition to the Ebow; though as far as I know, the Ebow does not require a special pickup to operate. Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 02:52:12 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 11 12:12:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbsoT-0003Th-00; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:12:09 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:43:28 -0400 From: Michael Peters Subject: anyone from Phoenix listening? To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199706111443_MC2-184B-7207@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"hY7jxB.A.Q8C.0evnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:12:09 -0700 X-UIDL: 2f9b8b89297addcfa776c57880742963 hi all, if there's anyone from the Phoenix area listening - you could do me a very big favor by buying something (small) and sending it to me. I'd offer money and/or a set of my own looping cassettes in exchange. (Please reply via private email.) ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm Support the Warr Guitar Defense Fund http://home.earthlink.net/~greendog/warrfund.html From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 02:52:12 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 11 12:20:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbswo-0004L1-00; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:20:46 -0700 Message-Id: <1965.199706111913@ussl2-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:13:28 +0100 (BST) From: Michael Hughes To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: symetrix delay PLEASE READ X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"DiSrkB.A.MkD.blvnz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:20:46 -0700 X-UIDL: 4dcb1ad6141f46dcae1465f1ca000c37 James: > This is what the looping community has been waiting for. It will > not happen, however, unless we go out and buy the 606. If you have a > suggestion as far as features of the 707 go, please give Symetrix a > call. You will be connected to somebody who knows whats up. This might be a stupid question, but... why would I buy a 606 when I could wait for the far superior 707? From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 02:51:58 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 11 11:16:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbrwF-00063E-00; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:16:07 -0700 Message-ID: <339EFFAC.66BD@cyberportal.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:42:36 -0700 From: rick canton Organization: kaynar ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: symetrix delay PLEASE READ References: <199706111620.LAA20168@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bLjrPC.A.FZF.xqunz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 11:16:07 -0700 X-UIDL: 9e693a145e7b3e4636c86c6e87a34005 James E Williamson wrote: > > mathias wrote: > > Memory is cheap, what are they thinking? > > > >Not every delay is a loop machine. In fact all delay machines only > serve > >for looping in a limited way. Tempo tap helps but does not resolve. > > > > I talked to one of the designers of this delay on the phone a month > ago for about two hours about this delay. I'd like to address a few > things. > first, the impetus for releasing this delay was that the used > prices of low-res old delays (pcm-42, timeline, etc) are reaching > ridiculous points in big markets. Believe it or not, the pcm42 is > widely used in movie post-production, and the hands-on control is the > main reason. > Second, the reason there is so little memory in this delay is not > because Symetrix are stingy, but the DSP which they are using is only > capable of addressing a limited amount of memory. In fact, some > features had to be taken out to get as much delay time as there is. (in > the original sofware, the bit resolution could be set anywhere between > 1 and 24!) > If the 606 sells well, which it is, Symetrix will (or may already > have) start work on a 606 on steroids, to be ready to ship by the end > of the year(!). This new machine will posess all the features of the > 606 and more. The memory will be upgradeable, there will be a digital > output, there will be more parameters. I have recomended that > plex/rang features such as undo, multiply, and reverse (the three most > important) be implemented, and they have taken me seriously. > The list on the 707(?) will be $200 more than the 606. Think: the > power of a vortex and two echoplexes with full midi control, full > programmability, and 24-bit processing for less than the cost of ONE of > Obie's Echoplexes. > This is what the looping community has been waiting for. It will > not happen, however, unless we go out and buy the 606. If you have a > suggestion as far as features of the 707 go, please give Symetrix a > call. You will be connected to somebody who knows whats up. > As far as I go, I'm still going to buy my two Echoplexes, but > salivate over the quadruple loops I could make with two plexes AND a > 707. > > Thanks... > > ps.If anybody's interested, I put together a tape compilation of local > bands which have played at my shows (I put on underground music shows) > in May. I have continously mixed my own ambient loops in between each > act. The tape (96min long) was professionally duplicated with a > full-colour j-card. If anybody wants to buy one they're available for > $6 postpaid. > -- > James Eric Williamson - erwill@ix.netcom.com - erwill@heartland.bradley.edu > One of Peoria's most obscure ambient blues musicians yeah , if the *707* will be a reality , that would be beautiful, i have 2 plexes & checked out the 606 for chorusing purposes only . to me , it sounded exactly like a tc 2290 or 1210 spatial expander`s chorus,a chorus i dislike....call me insane right now. but the delays were incredable. i returned it that day. rick From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 10:24:19 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 12 06:16:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wc9kH-0007fw-00; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 06:16:57 -0700 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F015784@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Some companies REALLY work on the user interface.... Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:09:49 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"I2aQkC.A.W2G.7X_nz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 06:16:57 -0700 X-UIDL: d71a2aaaf22667bf36d4c922eab5134b At the risk of flogging the "user-interface" horse quite beyond dead, here's something I bumped into quite by accident today. Employment Opportunities at TC Electronic: May 8th, 1997Ê ------------------------------------------------------------------------ User Interface Designer Location: Aarhus, Denmark. Experienced product designer for our product front ends. Extensive background as Sound Engineer is a must. Contact: Kim Rish¿j. KimR@ tcelectronic.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 02:52:40 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 11 18:00:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbxeT-000105-00; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:22:09 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:21:50 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: RE: Non-Guitar Looping Resent-Message-ID: <"ww0j5B.A.UM.18znz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:22:09 -0700 X-UIDL: 76105fe6a6928b997431e38e8f943bf8 I had asked: >>How did you use the voice, and what was the experience? >>With lyrics, only refrain, only background sound? John experienced: > 1. Harmony for layering Do you use it on stage, or intend to? Publics reaction (I imagine two voices coming from one person are noticed)? Is it usefull to save time in the studio, or just for the experience? When recorded this way, you think the musical quality increases (because its done in one go) or decreases? Sure, for serious recording, you might want each voice on a track... with two loop units in stereo, a live stereo mix could be done... > 2. Voice as a percussive/rhythmic effect. Oh, yeah, thats a great field. Some guys sound better with their voice than a percussionist, but noone wants to play mouth percussion as a full job, so the loop might bring this new color into music! > 3. Sampled talking > > Many things are possible. That was point. >The voice is an expressive instrument, >as is a guitar or synth. Anything I put in the >Mixer (mackie 1202vlz) is fair game for the Jamman. >I haven't tried my trombone yet. (spit valve busted) > >I had some friends in my studio, I opened up a mic and >setup a 5 sec loop on the Jamman. They started to interact >with there voices once they realized what was happening. Great >fun (wish I had recorded it) From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 02:52:35 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 11 17:31:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbxnV-0001ox-00; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:31:29 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:21:56 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: fun with retriggering and anti-guitar diatribes Resent-Message-ID: <"0pFsqC.A.wW.Y-znz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:31:29 -0700 X-UIDL: b1bd51db7827d3f5d8732d1052c4e0da >BlkSwan03@aol.com wrote: >> >> Geez Kim, is that Klein already old hat? I was just getting very interested! >> But yes, this is true about the almost 100% nature of guitar talk here. ( >> Altho, I love them too) I'm just kind of wondering, where are all the >> synth and sampler characters? Looping on midi instruments using the loop >> function on the sequencer is quite the experience. You don't have to worry >> about length at all and the fidelity is extraordinary. Stereo is a given. >> Set your synth or sampler to multimode and roll. Just change midi channels >> for desired sounds and..........well, there it is. I always find >> interesting places this way. Volume, panning, and even sounds can be changed >> at any time. For those who haven't experienced this, go commandeer a synth >> with the aforementioned sequencer option and >> go mad. Also, what about vocal compositions? Chants and all, with lots of >> effects? >> >> Jim > Ahh, but try and play that passage in reverse. The envelopes don't >reverse even if you can. >Motley Yes, and how about fading out the theme slightly to put a variation on top? Can you record short and multiple phrases and let them loop simultaneously? Matthias From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 02:52:36 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 11 17:31:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbxnn-0001qe-00; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:31:47 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:22:01 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: volumepedal Resent-Message-ID: <"ayBGe.A.3X.i-znz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:31:47 -0700 X-UIDL: c64f39418b0eda21c489448e122e1fea Rick explains: >the pedal is called visual volume , it`s a passive stereo volume pedal >w/, i think ,10 LED`S on the top left side , that shows you where the >pedal is -visually- in its throw , i.e. 3/4`s down , 1/2 way, full , >none,etc. to see the LED`S you plug in the wall wart adaptor.*the reason >i got this pedal is b/c it was the clearest one i`ve hearrd & i`ve had >the BOSS pedals & the earnie ball etc , etc...the adaptor isn`t plugged >in when i use it , but if you`re on a dark stage or in a dark room ,it >would be a great map.... >they also make distortion & other type of pedals too....... Interesting idea. Really we do not have a very acurate feeling for the angle of the ancle. For volume I do not think its very important, because you imediately hear what you do, but as a FeedBack for looping it might be the solution: The result of the feedback reduction is only audible after a whole loop goes by. So with some experiece, you can determine how much you want to reduce the feedback and control with the LEDs whether your foot acts right. My personal solution was to use a fader instead of a pedal to get the visual control. But I have to take my shoes of to control it, which makes me famous here, but is not everyones thing... Do you have some more indications about the visual volume? Is that the brand? Price? WWW page? Thank you Matthias From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 02:52:37 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 11 17:33:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbxoi-0001vi-00; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:32:44 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:22:06 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Sustainer Update Resent-Message-ID: <"SRuQKC.A.kO.M9znz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:32:44 -0700 X-UIDL: 9426eb7a5b816ec7c4da8495493715f3 Pycrafts sustainer crafting: >on the sustainer front, I'm trying to find a 100V ac generator to try... ... with an ordinary high Z pickup? Interesting solution... high tension in the guitar, though... the higher the impedance and voltage, the better the shielding to the normal pickups and wiring needs to be. the lower the impedance and voltage, the higher the current and fater the ground wire of the supply to avoid interference of the supply (and its modulation due to variations in current draw) to the normal sound output. Matthias From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 02:52:37 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 11 17:33:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbxoh-0001vN-00; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:32:43 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 21:22:11 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Sustainer Update Resent-Message-ID: <"_7o9B.A.1V.R-znz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 17:32:43 -0700 X-UIDL: 8269f40fdf26fbb32015caf1aac1bc02 >> on the sustainer front, I'm trying to find a 100V ac generator to try... >> >> Michael >> > >Hi, > > I'm new to the list so I hope you'll forgive me if this has been >mentioned before, but I assume you're investigating electromagnetic >methods of producing infinite sustain on guitar notes, well I recall an >old roland guitar synth that used a hexaphonic pickup, fed boosted and >current limited versions of the signal from each string down that string >(the bridge was insulated) and then had a powerful magnet in one of the >pickup positions. >Have you considered that approach? Never heard of this version!... was it the same time the blue synth came up? Are you sure it was Roland? (I thought I kept track then...) And to for the current return, you use the truss rod (hows that screw in the neck called really?) or a separate wire in the neck? And this string current does not interfere in the other magnetic pickups? Interesting... but I cannot figure the advantage of this system. You need an aditional magnet anyway... sure, you can select the string you want to feed back, but is this handy while playing? Once you have a polyphonic pickup, you might better select the string there... ok, having both, you can feed back each string to itself only, but it means six amplifiers and I do not see the advantage right now... Matthias From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 02:52:43 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 11 18:28:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wbygr-0006wQ-00; Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:28:41 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:33:11 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Improving looper interfaces Resent-Message-ID: <"BlxIbB.A.TLG.s_0nz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 18:28:41 -0700 X-UIDL: 40037e66de7d68c18508382dbcae80c1 Jeff was happy about his long memory: >-instead of building ambient textures etc, my instinct is to lay >down a 8 or 12 bar chord pattern and play leads in a pretty traditional way. this is the main thing that will be done with loopers, nothing wrong! >I love the design of my Digitech PDS 1002 2 second delay (which I used as >my >only looper for 5 years before buying the JM). ... >The first time I tried this box it made sense and I understood how to use >it as a looper. probably because it starts repeating at some rate as soon as you switch it on. >I guess what I'm trying to get to is my feeling that a lot of the things I >want >gear to do are not things that can be presented in something like a >DOD >overdrive or a Fender Princeton amp, which can be operated without >reading >the directions by anyone who's not a complete pinhead. Because you have been born close to some volume knobs and learned as 2 year old that sound gets louder when turned clockwise. >If the JM didn't come with directions I'm pretty sure I'd have >no idea what to do with it (the same way I felt trying to use the 'rang at >>McGuitar Center relying only on my experience of other delay devices and >a >vague recollection of a Guitar Player review. When you switch on the Plex, there is only one LED lit, next to the Record key. I hoped that this animates to press that key. Then, since it turns red (while recording), someone might intuitively press it again. If so, he hears his recording and certainly starts using the machine and probably will discover about 20% of the functionality just by trying (beeing that those 20% are more than 100% of your old Digitech!). If not, you are right and its not intuitive :-) >So, there's stuff which is intuitive (fuzzbox) and stuff which is not >(JamMan), and >then there's stuff which, once somebody tells you how it >works, is logical to >operate (most looping devices) and stuff that is not >(bassoon). hmm... nice aproach... where does the intuition come from... why is something intuitive... Although mankind developed the drivers controls during half a century to become the most intuitive possible, it still takes many hours to learn to drive. Certainly, the automatic transmission turns it a lot easier --> intuitive? Automation = Intuitivisation ? The aceleration pedal is intuitive. If you had to lift the foot to accelerate, you could learn to use the pedal, but it would be against your intuition forever. The same for a steering wheel that goes the other way round. But which is the intuitive position of the gear if you want to go backwards? Up to day, there is no norm for it. So we inventors will have to care in the first place to implement all functions in this intuitive way. Then we have to set up the limits. The less (new) functions the machine has, the quicker it can be understood. We have to find a balance, because the user is happy about a thing he dominates quickly AND about having many functions to select from. I tried to make the fundamental functions as obvious as possible and hide the specialities so as not to interfere. But please you guys, go ahead and critisize if you think that something in my construction is against your intuition (mine might be different)! Thank you Matthias From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 02:52:51 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 12 01:08:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wc4vH-0006ml-00; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 01:07:59 -0700 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:05:24 +0200 (MET DST) From: Olivier Malhomme To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: E-bow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: "GIS INFOBIOGEN, 7 rue Guy Moquet BP8, 94801 VILLEJUIF, France" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"wPGukD.A.nPG.436nz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 01:07:59 -0700 X-UIDL: d0219805abb1cdb1194e81eed92a3601 I don't for Engla,d, paolo, but in France I paid the equivalent of 150 bucks. Street price. I don't even want to tell you the price of a plex'. Olivier malhomme From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 10:24:29 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 12 08:19:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcBf1-0004f3-00; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 08:19:39 -0700 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:13:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Improving looper interfaces In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"2rU8d.A.c0D.qIBoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 08:19:39 -0700 X-UIDL: e7ad3de6a653175636ebff738bc05843 You know, all this talk of interfaces, especially tracking where you are in a loop, reminds me of the Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Delay. It had a slider for a click track, which controlled both an LED and an optional audible click. It flashed in a rhythmic pattern, and the slider controlled both the rate, and a variety of patterns. This way, you could tune the number of beats/bars flashed over the course of the loop. Excellent bit of interface, that. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 10:24:20 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 12 07:13:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcAcV-0005tz-00; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:12:59 -0700 Message-ID: <33A017AA.44FE@cyberportal.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 08:37:14 -0700 From: rick canton Organization: kaynar ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: volumepedal References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TqCERD.A.JEF.zKAoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:12:59 -0700 X-UIDL: d452e36977c2811f5ffd7f46d0b3f8ba Matthias Grob wrote: > > Rick explains: > > >the pedal is called visual volume , it`s a passive stereo volume pedal > >w/, i think ,10 LED`S on the top left side , that shows you where the > >pedal is -visually- in its throw , i.e. 3/4`s down , 1/2 way, full , > >none,etc. to see the LED`S you plug in the wall wart adaptor.*the reason > >i got this pedal is b/c it was the clearest one i`ve hearrd & i`ve had > >the BOSS pedals & the earnie ball etc , etc...the adaptor isn`t plugged > >in when i use it , but if you`re on a dark stage or in a dark room ,it > >would be a great map.... > >they also make distortion & other type of pedals too....... > > Interesting idea. Really we do not have a very acurate feeling for the > angle of the ancle. For volume I do not think its very important, because > you imediately hear what you do, but as a FeedBack for looping it might be > the solution: > The result of the feedback reduction is only audible after a whole loop > goes by. So with some experiece, you can determine how much you want to > reduce the feedback and control with the LEDs whether your foot acts right. > > My personal solution was to use a fader instead of a pedal to get the > visual control. But I have to take my shoes of to control it, which makes > me famous here, but is not everyones thing... > > Do you have some more indications about the visual volume? Is that the > brand? Price? WWW page? > > Thank you > Matthias the company`s name is Visual Sound , check out the marck/97 guitar player mag on p. 119 for a review of their Visual Metal pedal . "powered by a 9-volt AC adaptor , the Visual Metal also fetures 11 LEDs that track pedal movement to visually indicate how much mayhem you`re about to unleash. A companion Visual Volume pedal is offered for $130." i got mine at guitar center for around $80. Visual Sound , in CT , 1-800-686-3317 again the main reason i got this was for its clarity , it`s not a chepo volume pedal w/ a smart option on it.... rick From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 11:21:37 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 12 10:32:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcDjQ-00060j-00; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:32:20 -0700 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199706121726.KAA15570@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: E-bow To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:26:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Olivier Malhomme" at Jun 12, 97 10:05:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4HuKaC.A.NBF.KFDoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:32:20 -0700 X-UIDL: 504927adf25baa0a434259e2b44cef83 Status: O X-Status: > I don't for Engla,d, paolo, but in France I paid the equivalent of 150 > bucks. Street price. I don't even want to tell you the price of a plex'. > > Olivier malhomme $150 sounds about right for the selling price for an Ebow in Europe, based on my conversations with my friend Francesco (the Stick player) who has discovered it is cheaper to fly to the U.S. and pick up gear himself rather than buy it in Europe. It's the $400 price that confused me; then it turned out Michael is out to build a six-channel version. Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 11:21:39 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 12 10:47:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcDy0-0007c4-00; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:47:24 -0700 Message-ID: <01BC7736.DCDC5DA0@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: New to List - Intro & Trouble Finding a Plex Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:45:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"LPBvm.A.nxG.iVDoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:47:24 -0700 X-UIDL: cc5d7a825996b71f9a8d1dc22910f21e Status: O X-Status: C.H.: Tell us some cello stories. For example, your equipment, finding gigs, how people react when you tell them what you do for a living, etc. Also, since you have an electric cello do you try to get an amplified acoustic sound or do you mangle it like an electric guitar with distortion and effects? Can you get controllable feedback with it? Thanks, Mark Kata ---------- From: C.H.Glansdorp[SMTP:briareus@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 1997 2:29 PM To: Loop List Subject: New to List - Intro & Trouble Finding a Plex Greetings, all. I've been lurking here a few weeks after stumbling upon the Looper's Delight Web Site. Needless to say, I was *very* happily surprised to find that a group like this exists. First the intro: I am a freelance classical cellist working in South Florida, USA. After finishing my BM at the Eastman School of Music, I bought one of the early 5-string electric cellos made by Eric Jensen in Seattle, WA. The New World Symphony brought me to Florida, and after a 3-year stint with them I stuck around the area, as the freelance scene is quite abundant. I play with all the area's organizations (Pops, Operas, Symphonies) and on string recording sessions for Sony, EMI, BMG, etc. (mostly latin artists - it's Miami!). -CHG- From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 11:21:41 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 12 11:09:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcEIt-0001xO-00; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:08:59 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:00:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Jamman Availability in NYC Resent-Message-ID: <"SyREI.A.QaB.7oDoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:08:59 -0700 X-UIDL: ab47868bc4dfd8bedb9e631b2d5e47aa Status: O X-Status: Anybody want to help this fellow out? >>From kflint Wed Jun 11 19:15:29 1997 >Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 22:19:42 -0400 >From: MIKE SCHANZER >Reply-To: mrmike@spec.net >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: kflint@annihilist.com >Subject: Jamman Availability in NYC >X-URL: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/jamman/jamman_misc.html > >I need a jamman for my wife, who's an acoustic elkectric cellist...Any >ideas wehere i can get one asap in the NYC area?? >ThaNKS.... > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 11:21:39 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 12 10:34:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcDl1-0006A0-00; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:33:59 -0700 Message-Id: <199706121727.NAA12619@brickbat9.mindspring.com> Subject: New to List - Intro & Trouble Finding a Plex Date: Thu, 12 Jun 97 13:29:20 -0500 x-sender: briareus@pop.mindspring.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: "C.H.Glansdorp" To: "Loop List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"0fqty.A.rKF.ZGDoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:33:59 -0700 X-UIDL: e988c7ea265dcd6301acb3a0d3e072da Status: O X-Status: Greetings, all. I've been lurking here a few weeks after stumbling upon the Looper's Delight Web Site. Needless to say, I was *very* happily surprised to find that a group like this exists. First the intro: I am a freelance classical cellist working in South Florida, USA. After finishing my BM at the Eastman School of Music, I bought one of the early 5-string electric cellos made by Eric Jensen in Seattle, WA. The New World Symphony brought me to Florida, and after a 3-year stint with them I stuck around the area, as the freelance scene is quite abundant. I play with all the area's organizations (Pops, Operas, Symphonies) and on string recording sessions for Sony, EMI, BMG, etc. (mostly latin artists - it's Miami!). -CHG- From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 19:46:42 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 12 11:55:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcF1N-0007UO-00; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:54:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199706121822.OAA03234@brickbat9.mindspring.com> Subject: RE: New to List - Intro & Trouble Finding a Plex Date: Thu, 12 Jun 97 14:23:36 -0500 x-sender: briareus@pop.mindspring.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: "C.H.Glansdorp" To: "Loop List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"SVarIB.A.hvG.tVEoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:54:57 -0700 X-UIDL: 6cf1cc410b38bb450e4ae706b5943d32 I assume you'll all get my continuation email shortly if not already. >Tell us some cello stories. For example, your equipment, finding gigs, >how people react when you tell them what you do for a living, etc. > >Also, since you have an electric cello do you try to get an amplified >acoustic sound or do you mangle it like an electric guitar with distortion >and effects? Can you get controllable feedback with it? OK. My rig - a Jensen 5-string electric cello. A solid cocobolo stick with an ebony fingerboard. Transducer bridge sums the 5 strings to a mono 1/4 inch output like your basic electric guitar. Learn about Jensen's instruments here: http://www.halcyon.com/jensmus/ My email link on the player's page of the above URL is old, BTW. The cello has no sound cavity, therefore no acoustic properties whatsoever. The EC goes into an ART TubeMP preamp, then a Samson 1/3 octave graphic EQ, a Digitech DHP-33 harmonizer, the 32-sec JamMan, and finally into a Lexicon MPX-1. I mix on a Mackie 1202vlz into a Tascam DA-20 DAT recorder. I used to have a Tascam cassette 8-track multitracker, but sold it for the Mackie and some capital to buy a PowerMac 8500. I'm learning the digital recording thing. I got into electronic music at Eastman - tried a Barcus-Berry transducer on my cello into a friends distortion pedal and big Peavey amp. Way fun, but the acoustic cello sound confused me, what with the odd-yet-cool stuff coming out of the amp. Feedback was also a problem, so I got a full electric cello. I am in no way trying to get a decent cello sound out of the electric (although I can get it pretty close). I figure I'll use my real cello if I want a real cello sound. Yes, there are psychological escapism ramifications here... comes from being a classically trained orchestral musician. I love it, but enjoy the freedom of doing my own wierd thing sometimes. No conductors, no management, etc. At this point I make a living solely with the "real" cello. The season is hectic and very busy - not enough time to do electric stuff, let alone work out some live solo gigs. I did 52 services last December and it didn't slow down until May, which is why I'm taking the summer off (retired from my summer festivals), to concentrate on electric stuff. I used to play in a duo with a friend who played electrified clarinet and Yamaha WX-11 wind controller when I was with the New World Symphony. We gigged around, put out an independent cassette release, and won a New Forms Florida artists grant. Sadly, he passed away about the time I started freelancing, so I'm just now gathering up the courage to go it alone. I played live electric solo once last season (to see if I could) at a local bookstore/coffee bar, and people were very receptive (I love the "Where can I buy your CD's" comments. "Uhh, don't have any yet, but I'm working on it.") Seems not a lot of people do this kind of music with this kind of instrument. I'm into looping and delays and love the possibilities with this kind of equipment with a solo performer. I'm not a trained improviser - I just take my cello experience, mix in 4 years of music theory, and the influences of Philip Glass, Steve Roach, and a bunch of others and see what comes out of the speakers. Kinda fun :) Enough bandwidth for now. Again, I'm very happy to have found this list. +------------- | Christopher H. Glansdorp | Cellist/Electric Cellist +------------- From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 10:24:37 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 12 09:55:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcD9o-0002Sf-00; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:55:32 -0700 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:50:49 -0400 () From: Edgardo Valenzuela To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" cc: jharif@emerald.tufts.edu Subject: Re: Delivery Report In-Reply-To: <199705301517_MC2-1762-6C61@compuserve.com> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: jharif@emerald.tufts.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"RD-2GB.A.j7B.4kCoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:55:32 -0700 X-UIDL: e4288d3609ecad2a3b05ae5d8f6b7b25 Please remove me from all mailing lists. I'll sign up again in the Fall. Thanks. On Fri, 30 May 1997 Gateway@CSERVE5.CCMAIL.compuserve.com wrote: > Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE > Subject: Re: Sustain > Report Generation Time: 05/30/97 19:16:32 (GMT+00:00) > Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized > > > > From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 19:47:04 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 12 16:12:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcJ2K-0001V3-00; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:12:12 -0700 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199706122308.QAA19025@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: 4 Sec Delay To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:08:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9706128661.AA866156253@fsmtp.faulkcomp.com> from "mmason" at Jun 12, 97 05:56:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"r4vHvC.A._FB.UGIoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:12:12 -0700 X-UIDL: 13dc516610b0a69dc0907029d1259b86 > the the delay is always active and the switch just opens the loop for > more input. I wish they'd bring back the 8sec, two-switch floorbox. I remember one of the bass majors at the UCSD music department used one as part of his graduation recital. It was neat because he had a Persian rug and did this pseudo meditation/religious invocation act while looped electric bass was flying in the ether. Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 19:47:02 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 12 16:00:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcIrG-0000H9-00; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:00:46 -0700 Message-Id: <9706128661.AA866156253@fsmtp.faulkcomp.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.0 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 97 17:56:32 -0600 From: "mmason" To: Subject: Re: 4 Sec Delay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"s1MxZC.A.rGH.G6Hoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:00:46 -0700 X-UIDL: 9786e96c1aeaf0d4b8c2c9c0e8b3c72d Travis H said: Last week I said that I was unaware of any other long-delay pedals, other than the Zoom 508. The Loopdoctors pointed out the DOD DFX94, which also has 4 seconds. Details are scant on their website, but it appears to be the standard DOD single-wide metal box with one switch and four knobs, and thus no programmability (it also appears to be a mono device). With only one switch I'm unclear as to how you open and close the loop, unless there's a sample/hold mode in which the the delay is always active and the switch just opens the loop for more input. I wish they'd bring back the 8sec, two-switch floorbox. Yupp, the DFX 94 works exactly like you suspected. I know because thats me loopin tool. But no programability. Oh dear!!! Can't remember knob positions! I like it a lot, but I wish rythmic junk was easier to do with it. But rythmic loops can be made!! Just sync the delay, blah blah blah. I recomend it to you poor loopers like me. Jay or Boris mmason@faulkcomp.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 19:47:11 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 12 18:04:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcKn3-0004YZ-00; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:04:33 -0700 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:00:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: finley@ecst.csuchico.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: finley@ecst.csuchico.edu (Marathon Records) Subject: Re: symetrix delay Resent-Message-ID: <"2eYutC.A.w5D.EvJoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:04:33 -0700 X-UIDL: d7ed07d6d639342bd25f20b628a43954 >Anybody checked out the Symetrix "606 Delay f/x Machine"? Any reactions? yeah....I actually called them up a few months ago about the box...inquiring about looping capabilites. Don't get your hopes up, they have no plans to offer a looping upgrade...although the guy I talked to sounded open to the possiblity of a 3rd party developing sofware for it.... Matt ---------------------------------------------------- Matt McCabe Marathon Records http://www.netads.com/music/marathon From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 19:47:11 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 12 18:04:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcKnN-0004ao-00; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:04:53 -0700 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:00:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: finley@ecst.csuchico.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: finley@ecst.csuchico.edu (Marathon Records) Subject: Re: mixer suggestions Resent-Message-ID: <"bbBbK.A.66D.LvJoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:04:53 -0700 X-UIDL: d2351c22eb1fd2be2f1f06a797450a60 >2nd intellifex ltd , the 3rd out put goes to the 1st channel of a RANE >SM-82 MIXER , the 4th out put goes to a small sabine tuner. the 2 I'm using a RANE mixer in my rack as well. It's very quiet and pretty flexible. Although it only has one fx loop it is stereo so you can set it up to act as 2 seperate fx loops. Matt ---------------------------------------------------- Matt McCabe Marathon Records http://www.netads.com/music/marathon From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 19:47:13 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 12 18:14:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcKws-0005bS-00; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:14:42 -0700 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: lowfrqcy@west.net (Ryan Blum) Subject: Re: 4 Sec Delay Resent-Message-ID: <"QWbT1C.A.CGF.b6Joz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:14:42 -0700 X-UIDL: ed9a30da558d99816aae334c135711e5 > Yupp, the DFX 94 works exactly like you suspected. I know because > thats me loopin tool. But no programability. Oh dear!!! Can't remember > knob positions! Ahh...and I just saw two in the New Used Gear catalog from Daddy's Junky...one model # is DOD1361, and its price is $79.99...the other is DOD2372A and its price is $99.99....normally this catalog's wayyy overpriced, so i'd check the condition. Daddy's Junky - (603)623-4751, or they have a page at www.ugbm.com. good luck, Ryan, [who's happy with the PDS-8000 i found used...] ---- Ryan Blum "...to play 'Giant Steps' because you can seems lowfrqcy@west.net ridiculous to me. I went through that, but I was 14 years old." - John Medeski From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 19:47:15 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 12 18:57:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcLbw-0001lM-00; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:57:08 -0700 Sender: todd@erols.com Message-ID: <33A0A7F9.6B9C0D7A@erols.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:52:57 -0400 From: Todd Pafford X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New to List - Intro & Trouble Finding a Plex References: <199706121822.OAA03234@brickbat9.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uA3Sw.A.oTB.cgKoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:57:08 -0700 X-UIDL: 60571a9a5528a422df082558bb1c6708 C.H.Glansdorp wrote: >... > I'm into looping and delays and love the possibilities with this kind of > equipment with a solo performer. I'm not a trained improviser - I just > take my cello experience, mix in 4 years of music theory, and the > influences of Philip Glass, Steve Roach, and a bunch of others and see > what comes out of the speakers. Kinda fun :) > > Enough bandwidth for now. Again, I'm very happy to have found this list. Wow, this sounds really interesting. Having played guitar for 10 years (all but burning myself out on the instrument) and being one of the many guitarist-loopers on the list, I find it difficult to get truly excited hearing about the more 'mundane' world of other guitarists/synth loopers. Just the thought of looping (not to mention electrifying and affecting) a cello, though, is a whole other dimension...so much so that my ears are already itching for a taste. Of course, the fact that the cello has always been my favorite orchestral string helps in this respect. :) When you do finally get some tracks down for a CD/Cass, I know I'd LOVE to hear it. I look forward to tales from the looped world of the cello. Welcome to the list. :) T.Pafford From ???@??? Thu Jun 12 19:47:17 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 12 19:14:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcLss-0003Uo-00; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 19:14:38 -0700 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:10:38 -0400 From: UFO WALTER Subject: RE: Improving LEXICON interfaces To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706122210_MC2-1863-3C6C@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"SJsW5D.A.E_C.pxKoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 19:14:38 -0700 X-UIDL: c30a2cdc1acd0712a5ebe8506099c765 Hi Travis, you should try the Midi Control of the Jamman. There are so many great and innovative Ideas in this little beautifull box. I think Bob Sellon is steps ahead with his Idea of keeping complicated things so simple. UFO Walter From ???@??? Fri Jun 13 09:31:31 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 12 20:54:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcNRd-0004QO-00; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:54:37 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970613035322.00680074@flash.net> X-Sender: jbstudio@flash.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:53:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: John Michael Beard Subject: RE:interface, RE:mixer Resent-Message-ID: <"5JtEUB.A.7-D.BQMoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 20:54:37 -0700 X-UIDL: 3a5d10e2a2a0203c3bbb2e4231916bb5 Hello all, I have recently changed my gear around slightly because of this problem: >10. Leds/lights on the Oberheim foot-controller >- For live performance, I'm not always close enough to my rack to see >what's lit-up. But I am close to the foot controller. I've started keeping my rack at the front of the stage, to one side of me. I'm somewhat nearsighted so this has been an obvious move for a while... I was just stuck with the habit of " amps and gear go at the back of the stage." On the mixer front I will soon receive a Yamaha MV-802. A friend works at a sound gear shop and says a DJ brought it in. It's 3-space rack mnt. Does anyone have any info on these? His description sounds good.. it was probably a quality item when new. 8 channel stereo, 2 aux loops, even 2 mike inputs[unbalanced, unfortunately]. I don't know when they were made. They may even still be in production. Other than the Rane mixer mentioned, there really isn't much available that I'm aware of. Rane stuff is really nice. It's also mostly too pricey for my budget. "Music is the best." Frank Zappa John Michael Beard http://www.flash.net/~jbstudio From ???@??? Fri Jun 13 09:31:36 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 12 22:00:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcOT0-0002Pq-00; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:00:07 -0700 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 00:55:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <970613005535_614690517@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Symetrix 606 Resent-Message-ID: <"-mHuB.A.f4B.FMNoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:00:07 -0700 X-UIDL: 10c002f106b49073384e3840c096e643 Spoke with Steve Kawasaki at Symetrix (800-288-8855x279), who was very friendly, but, regrettably, said that there was NO 707 project underway, and that the engineers who had heard of our list's rumors were kinda baffled by them. He did tell me some interesting things about the 606, and encouraged us (anyone) to call with comments/questions/queries...."Obviously, we want to make boxes that people want!" He seemed quite conscious of the less-than-stellar sales of current looping tools, and ventured that the 606 wasn't at all intended for that purpose. ...but. It does have: 6 sweepable filter types including one (some?) with sharp resonant peaks; an envelope follower, assignable to any modulator; Stereo delays that can be linked in mono to provide twice the delay time; Modulation sources that are controlled as a group by the front-panel knob, but separately via MIDI; a "room simulation" that "sounds really nice," but takes all the avail. horsepower. He offered to send me a block diagram when I asked about cross-feedback; there's nothing as cool as the Vortex's dynamic ducking delays, but the feedback can be set to infinite without freezing out further input. Well, that's all I can remember; seems a pretty serious delay unit, but not a serious looper. Let's keep at 'em about that 707, say what? dpc From ???@??? Fri Jun 13 09:31:37 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 12 22:12:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcOf8-0003dP-00; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:12:38 -0700 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 00:07:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199706130507.AAA27095@mail1.texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@mail.texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Re: gear Resent-Message-ID: <"uOnpAC.A.7HD.kYNoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:12:38 -0700 X-UIDL: f468794ad4464a74002b96f8276b0080 hi, i will buy the plex footpedal if its in good shape,,,not too much money,and you still have it...let me know what you want for it ,,i can pick one up new for about $110-$120.00 US let me know, james At 10:51 PM 6/12/97 -0700, you wrote: >i don`t mean to be tacky , but here goes- > >i have too much excess gear & i have for sale: >-lexicon lxp-5 >-lexicon mrc v4 >-alembic f2b tube stereo preamp >-peavy valvex - 6 channel stereo tube mixer , mono send/stereo return fx >loop >-mesa boogie v-twinn rack >-mesa boogie studio preamp >-bellari stereo tube mic pre >-PAIA "tube head" stereo preamp >-TL Audio stereo tube compressor/preamp >-strat style neck w/ -novak fanned fret- fretboard & bridge >-delap baritone guitar , built for allan holdsworth in 1989 by bill >delap, 30" scale,steinberger parts , tuned to C. >-oberheim plex foot controller > >thanks, don`t know if i`m breaking the rules > by posting this here , but i`d like to sell this stuff. > e-mail me w/ questions etc. > > thanks, >rick >p.s. i`ll be out of town for a few days > > > From ???@??? Fri Jun 13 09:31:32 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 12 21:24:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcNuC-0006yy-00; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:24:08 -0700 Message-ID: <33A0DFDD.55D0@cyberportal.net> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:51:25 -0700 From: rick canton Organization: kaynar ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: gear Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-UZ5hD.A.lXG.vrMoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 21:24:08 -0700 X-UIDL: 387f25f5b3617c38a180387ca6ad0dff i don`t mean to be tacky , but here goes- i have too much excess gear & i have for sale: -lexicon lxp-5 -lexicon mrc v4 -alembic f2b tube stereo preamp -peavy valvex - 6 channel stereo tube mixer , mono send/stereo return fx loop -mesa boogie v-twinn rack -mesa boogie studio preamp -bellari stereo tube mic pre -PAIA "tube head" stereo preamp -TL Audio stereo tube compressor/preamp -strat style neck w/ -novak fanned fret- fretboard & bridge -delap baritone guitar , built for allan holdsworth in 1989 by bill delap, 30" scale,steinberger parts , tuned to C. -oberheim plex foot controller thanks, don`t know if i`m breaking the rules by posting this here , but i`d like to sell this stuff. e-mail me w/ questions etc. thanks, rick p.s. i`ll be out of town for a few days From ???@??? Fri Jun 13 09:31:39 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 12 22:57:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcPMh-0007aa-00; Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:57:39 -0700 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 00:52:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199706130552.AAA00517@mail1.texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@mail.texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Re: gear/oops sorry Resent-Message-ID: <"HX41OC.A.RsG.wAOoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 22:57:39 -0700 X-UIDL: 3fe4be16367b9cc49dc0aa0362424160 meant to be private...sorry At 12:07 AM 6/13/97 -0500, you wrote: >hi, >i will buy the plex footpedal if its in good shape,,,not too much money,and >you still have it...let me know what you want for it ,,i can pick one up new >for about $110-$120.00 US > >let me know, >james > > > >At 10:51 PM 6/12/97 -0700, you wrote: >>i don`t mean to be tacky , but here goes- >> >>i have too much excess gear & i have for sale: >>-lexicon lxp-5 >>-lexicon mrc v4 >>-alembic f2b tube stereo preamp >>-peavy valvex - 6 channel stereo tube mixer , mono send/stereo return fx >>loop >>-mesa boogie v-twinn rack >>-mesa boogie studio preamp >>-bellari stereo tube mic pre >>-PAIA "tube head" stereo preamp >>-TL Audio stereo tube compressor/preamp >>-strat style neck w/ -novak fanned fret- fretboard & bridge >>-delap baritone guitar , built for allan holdsworth in 1989 by bill >>delap, 30" scale,steinberger parts , tuned to C. >>-oberheim plex foot controller >> >>thanks, don`t know if i`m breaking the rules >> by posting this here , but i`d like to sell this stuff. >> e-mail me w/ questions etc. >> >> thanks, >>rick >>p.s. i`ll be out of town for a few days >> >> >> > > > > From ???@??? Fri Jun 13 09:31:43 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 13 00:51:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcR99-0001IV-00; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 00:51:47 -0700 Message-Id: <199706130726.DAA19057@brickbat8.mindspring.com> Subject: Trouble Finding a Plex Date: Fri, 13 Jun 97 03:28:16 -0500 x-sender: briareus@pop.mindspring.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: "C.H.Glansdorp" To: "Loop List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"7iUw-B.A.pBB.WuPoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 00:51:47 -0700 X-UIDL: 99b3e89b12af4d959d47c46741ef7734 Last message went out before I finished - oops :) working on this "queued message" thing. Anyway, I've been using a JamMan (32 secs) for the last couple of years, and from this list discovered the Echoplex - the idea of having a JamMan in front of an Echoplex really makes my mind go crazy thinking about the possibilities. I immediately ordered one through the local Sam Ash dealer. Five weeks later, the guy as Sam tells me that the Echoplex is no longer in production. This was yesterday. I've been lurking here a while and remember a couple weeks ago a post from Kim Flint saying that he was at Oberheim and saw a stack of them and they were ready to go out. I also recall the "Has anyone received a backordered 'plex" thread, so I feel I might be starting a long quest. What's going on? I figured I'd ask the list before I invest in a long distance call to Oberheim and before I lay into Sam Ash for not being able to find me one. Any info would be greatly appreciated - I really want one of these things! +------------- | Christopher H. Glansdorp | Cellist/Electric Cellist +------------- From ???@??? Fri Jun 13 09:31:44 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 13 02:06:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcSJZ-00067I-00; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 02:06:37 -0700 From: /G=Brian/S=Thomson/OU=0/OU=Unknown/@prudential.co.uk X400-Originator: /G=Brian/S=Thomson/OU=0/OU=Unknown/@prudential.co.uk X400-Recipients: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=PRUDENTIAL/ADMD=CWMAIL/C=GB/;0014400001962660000002] X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 (22) Message-Id: <0014400001962660000002*@MHS> To: " - (052)Loopers-Delight(a)annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Gear Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:52:33 +0100 Resent-Message-ID: <"NV02XC.A.PlF.mzQoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 02:06:37 -0700 X-UIDL: 8f3c1af851ad749036cace07e7230be1 To Rick, who posted the "Gear" message... I don't have your e-mail address, which got stripped by the mail system we use here. If you really have one of Allan Holdsworth's 30" DeLap guitars for sale, perhaps we should talk? Mail me at bnt@ibm.net, not the address this appears to be coming from! (Lotus Notes X.500 gateway...) Re: looping - any of you lot tried using an answering-machine continuous cassette in a 3-head tape deck? Looping in the raw! (Even more fun if you can temporarily disable the erase head.) Brian Thomson London, UK bnt@ibm.net From ???@??? Fri Jun 13 09:32:11 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 13 08:49:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcYbZ-00001w-00; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 08:49:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199706131533.IAA29976@scv4.apple.com> Subject: Re: 4 Sec Delay Date: Fri, 13 Jun 97 10:34:11 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"8lbFNB.A.CvG.0qWoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 08:49:37 -0700 X-UIDL: 9098fbda5e96af83000042cba43282a7 >Ryan, [who's happy with the PDS-8000 i found used...] Where'd you find it? I'm always on the lookout for those. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Fri Jun 13 09:32:10 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 13 08:48:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcYag-0007jP-00; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 08:48:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199706131538.IAA15424@scv2.apple.com> Subject: Re: gear Date: Fri, 13 Jun 97 10:41:31 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"yJ7f3.A.KgG.NoWoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 08:48:42 -0700 X-UIDL: 996feaa36e5358a49b8222b48cdc81c6 >-mesa boogie v-twinn rack >-mesa boogie studio preamp >-strat style neck w/ -novak fanned fret- fretboard & bridge Prices? And does the v-twin have the short-switch controller panel on the back? Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Fri Jun 13 09:31:45 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 13 04:10:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcUFd-0004md-00; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 04:10:41 -0700 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 07:07:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <970613070720_-1128253239@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Symetrix 606 Resent-Message-ID: <"KCE5dB.A.8TE.moSoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 04:10:41 -0700 X-UIDL: 5bf541c12e0cd546607f5de1d14bf430 <> Speaking of which, does anybody know of other boxes out there that feature these mud-eliminating wonders? Maybe the pcm-80? Thanks, dpc From ???@??? Fri Jun 13 09:32:09 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 13 08:25:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcYEU-0005qq-00; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 08:25:46 -0700 Message-Id: <9706131510.AA06741@beryllium.lexicon.com> Priority: urgent Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:27:00 -0400 From: "Hogan, Greg" Subject: RE: Ducking Delays To: Loopers-Delight X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Resent-Message-ID: <"yTfVz.A.BDF.zUWoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 08:25:46 -0700 X-UIDL: 34dafc15ec06b65998de4afcdca2f1b5 <> Speaking of which, does anybody know of other boxes out there that feature these mud-eliminating wonders? Maybe the pcm-80? Thanks, dpc Yes, Both the PCM80 and the MPX1 offer this feature. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone 617-280-0372 FAX 617-280-0499 P.S.On another note, it seems like alot of people tend to post anonmously to this list. I think it would be very helpful if everyone put their name at the end of their posts. This is especially helpful when we are getting opinions from people on subjective topics. Those of you with common first names should include your last name as well! Anonomous opinions just do not seem to be worth much unless there is an overwelming general concencus. From ???@??? Fri Jun 13 09:32:06 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 13 07:43:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcXZc-0002eL-00; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 07:43:33 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:47:54 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: New Ideas for Loop-boxes: Wishes and Dreams Department. Resent-Message-ID: <"DJjc1C.A.sKC.8uVoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 07:43:33 -0700 X-UIDL: db859e415cb3ea50ce7df0881baa8c17 David Kirkdorffer did a major contribution: >Kim & Loop-Folk :-) here they would say Loop-tribe >Picking up on the idea -- how about adding a special page to the >LOOPERS-DELIGHT Web-page capturing these ideas in an ongoing basis? Wow, Loopist dreams. Engineers just have to select some items to bring out new technology. Fascinating. >1. Visual reference points for where one is in a loop. > a) a waveshape would be an excelent visual representation > b) a kind of LCD "time-o-meter" spining one revolution/loop >(like divers' watches with all those fancy dials) you want a computer, really... or would you really look at such design in a one unit LCD? Or did you think of a 2 unit high machine? nono! >- sometimes it can be quite difficult to know where one is in a long >loop. >- it would help time placement of "new additions" and multiples...and >general "situational -- "where am I?"" needs... >- and maybe with two colours: Red for "that which has RECENTLY been >added" and Green for "that which has already been added" Once we go there, we might as well have a separate channel for each recording. >2. Manipulation of end-to-end connect points... Open Loop / Close Loop >- imagne a 10 second loop. Then imagine connecting two points within >that 10 seconds to create a newer shorter loop. > > 10 sec. loop: aa(start)> bb> cc> dd> ee> ff> gg> hh> >ii> jj> kk(end)> --->> aa> bb> etc > new shorter loop: dd(newstart)> ee> ff> gg(newend)> --> >dd> ee> ff> etc. > > and then connecting from cc> to hh>... etc. > >I'm half sure someone will tell me this is already available -- if only >I knew how.... For the reduction its simply Multiply. After you reduced, its a bit complicated to go back to the entire, but its possible, either with Multiply - Undo or with NextMultiply (the reduced version was done with NextMulti). Or did I get you wrong? >4 Tie-ins with all new the hard-disk recording gear >- may be helpful for loop-"boxes" to stay in the market... >- to create "an Easy Sample-Builder" capability for studios and midi >minded folk. Yes, I am trying to do this for many years, but so far, the idea was hard to come through, and the comercial success of looping gear was not convincing. >7. More versatile input sensitivity In what sense? More sensitive to connect a microphone? The LOOP delay had that. >10. Leds/lights on the Oberheim foot-controller >- For live performance, I'm not always close enough to my rack to see >what's lit-up. But I am close to the foot controller. Would be nice really. We thought the user could not afford it... From ???@??? Fri Jun 13 23:33:15 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 13 10:36:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcZK6-000396-00; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:35:38 -0700 From: /G=Brian/S=Thomson/OU=0/OU=Unknown/@prudential.co.uk X400-Originator: /G=Brian/S=Thomson/OU=0/OU=Unknown/@prudential.co.uk X400-Recipients: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=PRUDENTIAL/ADMD=CWMAIL/C=GB/;0014400001965057000002] X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 (22) Message-Id: <0014400001965057000002*@MHS> To: " - (052)Loopers-Delight(a)annihilist.com" Subject: Message for Rick re DeLap Baritone Guitar Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:39:03 +0100 Resent-Message-ID: <"0ECfHC.A.TyB.7JXoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:35:38 -0700 X-UIDL: b0cca14c045e974088775de1f32d2dea Sorry 'bout this - your address got stripped again! Could you put it in the body of the message? I have seen pictures of similar instruments - I'm wondering about playability - e.g. is the string spacing as narrow as a normal guitar's, or has it also been scaled-up? Is it semi-acoustic? Condition, starting price etc. would be nice to know, as well as where you are - I'm in the UK, so importing an instrument from the USA would probably be prohibitively expensive. Brian Thomson, London UK bnt@ibm.net From ???@??? Fri Jun 13 09:32:12 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 13 09:04:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcYq6-00019s-00; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:04:38 -0700 Message-Id: <2401.199706131556@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:56:53 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Re: gear Resent-Message-ID: <"aGY6cD.A.Kq.g4Woz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:04:38 -0700 X-UIDL: 247c21fe8c7ba177813d9c603e691d1c >i don`t mean to be tacky , but here goes- >-strat style neck w/ -novak fanned fret- fretboard & bridge >-delap baritone guitar , built for allan holdsworth in 1989 by bill > delap, 30" scale,steinberger parts , tuned to C. I don't mean to be tacky, but you wanna put a price on them?? :) (This si not to say I can necessarily afford em..!) michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Fri Jun 13 23:33:08 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 13 10:07:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcZLw-0003HR-00; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:37:32 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: gear Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:09:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 36 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: <"xnJsfD.A.L0B.QKXoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:37:32 -0700 X-UIDL: 72b7a571b09c9ffb04549cf4d290322d Guys I hate to be bitchy, but could you take your price negotiation off the list, and reply to the seller directly. It's not much interest to the rest of us. thanks John >---------- >From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk >Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Sent: Friday, June 13, 1997 3:56 PM >To: John_Ott@ATK.COM >Subject: Re: gear > >>i don`t mean to be tacky , but here goes- > >>-strat style neck w/ -novak fanned fret- fretboard & bridge >>-delap baritone guitar , built for allan holdsworth in 1989 by bill >> delap, 30" scale,steinberger parts , tuned to C. > >I don't mean to be tacky, but you wanna put a price on them?? :) > >(This si not to say I can necessarily afford em..!) > >michael > >Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, >Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. > "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb > > > > From ???@??? Fri Jun 13 23:33:12 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 13 10:14:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcZvU-0002JQ-00; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:14:16 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <970613070720_-1128253239@emout12.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 09:43:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Symetrix 606 Resent-Message-ID: <"yN4T2C.A.GiB.J6Xoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:14:16 -0700 X-UIDL: 8664c097e962bbec7438c9e00cac1e67 At 7:07 AM -0400 6/13/97, Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: ><> >Speaking of which, does anybody know of other boxes out there that feature >these mud-eliminating wonders? Maybe the pcm-80? >Thanks, dpc my intellifex has the delay ducking function. It is pretty useful.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Jun 13 23:33:11 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 13 10:13:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcZuf-0002FS-00; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:13:25 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199706130726.DAA19057@brickbat8.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:03:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Trouble Finding a Plex Resent-Message-ID: <"PG5n_D.A.piB.M6Xoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 10:13:25 -0700 X-UIDL: 48c68b6547fec29548068c0f4d7af884 At 3:28 AM -0500 6/13/97, C.H.Glansdorp wrote: >Anyway, I've been using a JamMan (32 secs) for the last couple of years, >and from this list discovered the Echoplex - the idea of having a JamMan >in front of an Echoplex really makes my mind go crazy thinking about the >possibilities. I immediately ordered one through the local Sam Ash >dealer. Five weeks later, the guy as Sam tells me that the Echoplex is no >longer in production. This was yesterday. What? Those guys are idiots.....They should be the ones calling Oberheim to get the facts straight, not you. >I've been lurking here a while and remember a couple weeks ago a post >from Kim Flint saying that he was at Oberheim and saw a stack of them and >they were ready to go out. I also recall the "Has anyone received a >backordered 'plex" thread, so I feel I might be starting a long quest. > >What's going on? I figured I'd ask the list before I invest in a long >distance call to Oberheim and before I lay into Sam Ash for not being >able to find me one. > >Any info would be greatly appreciated - I really want one of these things! Oberheim didn't build any for several months, due to various production problems. The result was that every dealer on the planet sold out some time ago. Oberheim has production running again and is currently shipping units to fill all the backorders. (like I said, I seen 'em!) If you order one now, you shouldn't have to wait that long, but that will depend on the dealer. I have no idea why Sam Ash would tell you that it's out of production. Didn't someone else have a problem with them recently? Maybe there is some bad blood between Gibson and Sam Ash, I don't know. Go to another dealer. You can call gibson's toll free number to get to Oberheim, I think (check their web site). It's probably worth it to call and make sure you are ordering from a dealer that can get it to you soon. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Jun 13 23:33:21 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 13 11:12:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcapV-0007Pz-00; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:12:09 -0700 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 19:05:03 +0200 (MET DST) From: Olivier Malhomme To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Plex price... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: "GIS INFOBIOGEN, 7 rue Guy Moquet BP8, 94801 VILLEJUIF, France" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"1V72r.A.fjG.XyYoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:12:09 -0700 X-UIDL: 150c76a1ca9ca5de9213c946783aef86 I know this kind of question appears from time to time here. So it is my turn. Can people of mostly everywhere tell me how much you know have to pay 'plex ? Maybe i could find both a place where to buy it, and money (erm) to do it. Who knows, I might be lucky... Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Fri Jun 13 23:33:22 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 13 11:27:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcb4S-000151-00; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:27:36 -0700 Message-ID: <33A1A553.15DE@cyberportal.net> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 12:53:55 -0700 From: rick canton Organization: kaynar ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: gear References: <199706131538.IAA15424@scv2.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1VM0SC.A.81.3BZoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:27:36 -0700 X-UIDL: 0eba99018695d903249456a90f3e9077 T.W. Hartnett wrote: > > >-mesa boogie v-twinn rack > >-mesa boogie studio preamp > >-strat style neck w/ -novak fanned fret- fretboard & bridge > > Prices? And does the v-twin have the short-switch controller panel on > the back? > > Travis Hartnett hi Travis, prices are: -boogie v-twinn rack $350. -boogie studio preamp $325. -strat style neck w/ novak fretboard & bridge $250. do you mean the 1/4" jacks for the modes on the v-twinn?-yes thanks, i`ll be gone for a few days , when i get back i`ll respond o.k.? rick From ???@??? Fri Jun 13 23:33:26 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 13 13:03:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wccYx-000293-00; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:03:11 -0700 X-From_:mail@bocs.co.uk Fri Jun 13 13:03:07 1997 Received: from mail.bogo.co.uk [193.112.164.14] by ferret with esmtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wccYp-0001zr-00; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:03:03 -0700 Received: from pcsup2 (dial21.web-plus.co.uk [193.192.199.21]) by mail.bogo.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA27619 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 21:02:10 +0100 Message-Id: <199706132002.VAA27619@mail.bogo.co.uk> Reply-To: From: "bocs" To: Subject: Re: Plex price... Old-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 21:03:18 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:03:11 -0700 X-UIDL: 1aa0f81501c1c2ba1f06e407cba4269e Olivier, I'm guessing you're in France, so I don't know if this is any good. I'm in London, can't find a 'plex anywhere, contacted Oberheim who said my nearest distributor is in Italy, which probably means the same for you. MOGAR MUSIC Via Canova 55 20020 Lainate Mi Italy Tel 011 39 2 935 961 or Viscount Republic of San Marino Italy 0549 900 764 It'd be interesting to hear from loopers on this side of the Atlantic and their problems getting Echoplexes at the moment. I still can't believe my closest dealer is in Italy. By the way, I've no idea of the price. No doubt it's three times as much as in the US. Regards Andrew __________________ Andrew@bocs.com ---------- > From: Olivier Malhomme > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: Plex price... > Date: 13 June 1997 18:05 > > I know this kind of question appears from time to time here. So it is my > turn. Can people of mostly everywhere tell me how much you know have to > pay 'plex ? > Maybe i could find both a place where to buy it, and money (erm) to do it. > Who knows, I might be lucky... > > Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Fri Jun 13 23:33:23 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 13 11:46:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcbMl-0002jR-00; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:46:31 -0700 Message-ID: <33A1A955.6F4D@cyberportal.net> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:11:01 -0700 From: rick canton Organization: kaynar ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: *message on gear* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"bfyIUB.A.vKC.ISZoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:46:31 -0700 X-UIDL: 4647ef327b9c707cecfa8b553726fca8 to all who are interested in my "gear" posting ,PLEASE RESPOND TO MY E-MAIL ADDRESS , not the Loopers list.it`s understandibly annoying for the people who are not interested. rpc@cyberportal.net sorry to all that have been bothered, rick From ???@??? Fri Jun 13 23:33:23 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 13 11:52:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcbS7-0003EV-00; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:52:03 -0700 Message-ID: <33A1AAFF.2BA6@cyberportal.net> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:18:07 -0700 From: rick canton Organization: kaynar ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: i`ll watch the re: address too Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"zQcRHC.A.qwC.aYZoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:52:03 -0700 X-UIDL: 49aefe591b1b29f051e77597a10f20c0 sorry about not checking where my re:`s are going, rick From ???@??? Fri Jun 13 23:33:34 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 13 15:20:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcehX-0005Qn-00; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:20:11 -0700 Message-ID: <33A1C18A.1858@bgnet.bgsu.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:54:18 -0400 From: Jeff Schwartz X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: 4 Sec Delay References: <199706122308.QAA19025@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PAMMAD.A.bsE.9acoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:20:11 -0700 X-UIDL: 2d878402b3f1989dfb5af35a8d98c5ad Paolo Valladolid wrote: > I remember one of the bass majors at the UCSD music department used one > as part of his graduation recital. It was neat because he had a Persian > rug and did this pseudo meditation/religious invocation act while looped > electric bass was flying in the ether. > I wonder if this was Ken Filiano, an older cat with tremendous skills in the jazz & new music field who works with a lot of the L.A. avant-jazz folks and studied with Burt Turetzky at UCSD a few years back. I've seen him use a Digitech double-wide (don't know which one) for upright bass looping. I know he plays electric too & is kind of a mystical dude, in that avant-jazz guy way... -- Jeff Schwartz jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html From ???@??? Fri Jun 13 23:33:33 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 13 15:11:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wceYi-0004SX-00; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:11:04 -0700 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 18:05:57 -0400 (EDT) From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <970613180129_-429184862@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sustainer Update+ NEW approach Resent-Message-ID: <"uaVorC.A.24D.DScoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:11:04 -0700 X-UIDL: efbf69f68e662f157a1fccbb6e98fe40 In a message dated 09/06/97 11:55:03, you write: << I've just been talking with Kent Armstrong, who recons a low-Z pickup could be built for about #50 ($70-ish). How could I refuse? Problem is, this needs to be done right, so I'm asking everybody for suggestions on this... any idea what's required? I'm just going for a lot of bigger-gauge turns - we'll have no idea of the impedance 'till it's built - but does anybody have any ideas of the impedance of the Fernandez neck pickup? Or the current flowing into it, at least? (You guys with Fer. guitars could measure this by checking the draw from the batteries) I'm guessing (literally!!!) that I'll need a Z of about 100ohm, producing a current of about 100mA - a total draw of about 1 Watt. Is that OK or a bit too extreme? Is 10ma sufficient (I'm guessing it probably isn't)? Opinions, _please_!! >> I think it also depends on the efficiency of the p/u. As the standard p/u is optimised for a linear response to the movement of the string the magnetic field isn't be as focused as it could be. A coil to drive a string could be arranged so that most of the magnetic flux lines went through the resting position of the string, meaning you'd get more push for your watts. BUT today's big idea. If you've got a strat. type bridge all you have to do is slide a piezo transducer under the bridge saddles, readjust action accordingly, send your signal to the piezo and surely something will happen. Piezo transducers can be salvaged from those wristwatches that bleep, or purchased from electronic component suppliers. In UK Maplin (mail order catalogue) has a number of options, thin brass discs with a layer of piezo-crystal topped by a silvered "electrode" price about 50p. I reckon they can be cut to shape if necessary. "They can be driven direct from CMOS ICs with low power consumption" -Maplin Input :- 3V suggested 15 or 30V max. The only doubt I have about this approach is that it would energise the strings to vibrate towards + away from the fretboard, which isn't ideal as the p/us mainly pick up string motion at right angles to this. (my guitar has the wrong sort of bridge though) Andy UK ........And you'd have to make sure the bridge didn't short out the piezo. From ???@??? Fri Jun 13 23:33:33 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 13 15:18:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wceft-0005FN-00; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:18:29 -0700 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 18:06:38 -0400 (EDT) From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <970613180131_-1194480222@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Looping-in-London-strand-morphs-into-vortex Resent-Message-ID: <"_jYQxD.A.4XE.tXcoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:18:29 -0700 X-UIDL: 4761c954c626ea21b0beb1489f9600a1 In a message dated 08/06/97 6:31:178:23, you write: << In a message dated 6/7/97 8:53:15 PM, Andy from the UK wrote: <> Why not post some example parameters...if you've got any to spare? dpc >> . Atmosphere B DejaVu B mix 64 64<<<<<From kflint Fri Jun 13 15:27:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wceod-00069v-00; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:27:31 -0700 Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 18:20:31 -0400 (EDT) From: BlkSwan03@aol.com Message-ID: <970613124431_-959969329@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: RE: Improving LEXICON interfaces Resent-Message-ID: <"ItCUJ.A.QTF.fgcoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:27:31 -0700 X-UIDL: 2ffb3b3221aa41d07e3542c95b713b20 In a message dated 6/12/97 8:57:26 PM, you wrote: <> I like the foot controller, however the buttons should have been a bit more spaced. I often have a big problem just hitting one. This can be a big problem. The thing just is not made for large, wide shoes. (and no, I'm not wearing clown shoes. Just Doc Martens.) I kind of wonder if this problem might perhaps be rectified in a future version? Jim From ???@??? Fri Jun 13 23:33:36 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 13 15:48:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcf9E-0000GG-00; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:48:48 -0700 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199706132244.PAA28951@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: 4 Sec Delay To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:44:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <33A1C18A.1858@bgnet.bgsu.edu> from "Jeff Schwartz" at Jun 13, 97 05:54:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lj2a6C.A.nMH.b1coz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 15:48:48 -0700 X-UIDL: c5bbf7dc2ec86102913a7547cf2e2e80 > > I remember one of the bass majors at the UCSD music department used one > > as part of his graduation recital. It was neat because he had a Persian > > rug and did this pseudo meditation/religious invocation act while looped > > electric bass was flying in the ether. > > > > I wonder if this was Ken Filiano, an older cat with tremendous skills in the jazz & new No, this was Martin Chandler. Last I heard, he had moved into the Bay Area. Yes, Bert Turetzky is greatly respected at UCSD as an authority on upright bass. Actually, the best looping show I saw at UCSD was by John Stevens, a guitar-playing maniac on the faculty. He does have a CD out, which I hope to get around to writing a review about someday. Needless to say, this CD has less to do with Fripp and occupies the more abrasive end of the tonal spectrum. Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Jun 13 23:33:30 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 13 14:04:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcdVx-00073B-00; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:04:09 -0700 Message-ID: <33A1D1DA.6CBB@interaccess.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 16:03:54 -0700 From: Jim Coker X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Symetrix 606 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XPp_e.A.IWG.nUboz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 14:04:09 -0700 X-UIDL: 568e7ad150e1663cc3aaf28991886a22 Some digitech boxes (i.e. newer S-DISC-based boxes like the GSP2101) have duckers too. jim Kim Flint wrote: > > At 7:07 AM -0400 6/13/97, Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: > ><> > >Speaking of which, does anybody know of other boxes out there that feature > >these mud-eliminating wonders? Maybe the pcm-80? > >Thanks, dpc > > my intellifex has the delay ducking function. It is pretty useful.... > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Jun 14 15:22:25 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 14 01:19:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wco3l-0003a6-00; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 01:19:45 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <970613124431_-959969329@emout11.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 00:03:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: RE: Improving LEXICON interfaces Resent-Message-ID: <"GDPiKC.A.KKD.oOloz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 01:19:45 -0700 X-UIDL: 9fdc4a6e59854f805bd60675ea7568fd It is actually very simple to make a footpedal for the echoplex. (or any sort of control interface, it doesn't have to be for feet.) The electronics involved are real simple, just a switch and a resistor for each function. More details are available on the web site, in the "echoplex footpedal tutorial" I wrote up last winter. It seems there are a few people out there who want somehow customized pedals. Some handy person with a little initiative ought to start up a little side business doing this for folks. I've turned down several offers to do custom plex pedals, since I don't have the time or motivation. (or the mechanical skills, actually) But there seems to be a small market out there. I know a certain guitar player in Journey who will buy at least two.... Don't count on Oberheim to redo the existing footpedal for you. Most people are satisfied with it, they have it all designed, and it's reasonably easy to manufacture. There's no financial incentive for them... kim At 6:20 PM -0400 6/13/97, BlkSwan03@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 6/12/97 8:57:26 PM, you wrote: > ><footcontroller making the biggest impact!>> > >I like the foot controller, however the buttons should have been a bit more >spaced. I often have a big problem just hitting one. This can be a big >problem. The thing just is not made for large, wide shoes. (and no, I'm not >wearing clown shoes. Just Doc Martens.) I kind of wonder if this problem >might perhaps be rectified in a future version? > >Jim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Jun 14 15:22:26 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 14 01:35:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcoJA-0004Ai-00; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 01:35:40 -0700 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 04:32:57 -0400 (EDT) From: BlkSwan03@aol.com Message-ID: <970614043256_-595037787@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: strings and springs Resent-Message-ID: <"VBbbPB.A.jxD.2dloz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 01:35:40 -0700 X-UIDL: b24fe805c38b5a3e0adf98534f7f53fb In a message dated 6/4/97 1:50:47 PM, you wrote: << you can reach her through the Deep Listening website, if you're still curious.>> Do you have the web address? Are there sound samples of these instruments? Jim From ???@??? Sat Jun 14 15:22:27 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 14 01:56:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcocw-00057I-00; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 01:56:06 -0700 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 04:51:54 -0400 (EDT) From: BlkSwan03@aol.com Message-ID: <970614045154_72023848@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Non-Guitar Looping Resent-Message-ID: <"tBAP-.A.upE.mvloz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 01:56:06 -0700 X-UIDL: 69755ccdd30fbda89d627c3aac90d542 In a message dated 6/7/97 5:22:31 PM, you wrote: <> James This sounds cool. Do you have any tapes? Any live playing? Jim From ???@??? Sat Jun 14 15:22:29 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 14 06:01:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcsS5-0005Gd-00; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 06:01:09 -0700 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 09:00:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: RE: Improving LEXICON interfaces In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"XKPp-C.A.ezE.HWpoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 06:01:09 -0700 X-UIDL: b2415c4642000d8002bb6ddc47caf6ff On Sat, 14 Jun 1997, Kim Flint wrote: > It is actually very simple to make a footpedal for the echoplex. (or any > sort of control interface, it doesn't have to be for feet.) The > electronics involved are real simple, just a switch and a resistor for each > function. More details are available on the web site, in the "echoplex > footpedal tutorial" I wrote up last winter. > > It seems there are a few people out there who want somehow customized > pedals. Some handy person with a little initiative ought to start up a > little side business doing this for folks. I've turned down several offers > to do custom plex pedals, since I don't have the time or motivation. (or > the mechanical skills, actually) But there seems to be a small market out > there. I know a certain guitar player in Journey who will buy at least > two.... Hey, I'm there! I've seen your footpedal details Kim, couldn't be easier. Adding LEDS, changing the box, switches, etc. shouldn't be a problem either. I'm handy with a soldering iron and sheet metal. So folks, send me your specifications, and I'll quote something up for you. Probably won't be as cheap as Obie's controller, but custom seldom is cheap. Stew Benedict benedict@netcom.com > > Don't count on Oberheim to redo the existing footpedal for you. Most people > are satisfied with it, they have it all designed, and it's reasonably easy > to manufacture. There's no financial incentive for them... > > kim > > > > At 6:20 PM -0400 6/13/97, BlkSwan03@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 6/12/97 8:57:26 PM, you wrote: > > > >< >footcontroller making the biggest impact!>> > > > >I like the foot controller, however the buttons should have been a bit more > >spaced. I often have a big problem just hitting one. This can be a big > >problem. The thing just is not made for large, wide shoes. (and no, I'm not > >wearing clown shoes. Just Doc Martens.) I kind of wonder if this problem > >might perhaps be rectified in a future version? > > > >Jim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > > > From ???@??? Sat Jun 14 15:22:30 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 14 06:17:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcsiI-0005yE-00; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 06:17:54 -0700 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 09:15:17 -0400 From: crb@silvertone.Princeton.EDU (Curtis Bahn) Message-Id: <199706141315.JAA12596@silvertone.Princeton.EDU> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: strings and springs Resent-Message-ID: <"7pwZl.A.SgF.Xmpoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 06:17:54 -0700 X-UIDL: b9f022fc397acd9fd68ffea3ac3ff1ab << you can reach her through the Deep Listening website, if you're still > From kflint Sat Jun 14 08:32:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcuoB-00031Y-00; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 08:32:07 -0700 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 11:09:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <970614110910_912189405@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Vortex delay ducking/Unique? Resent-Message-ID: <"ZUcYjC.A.6sC.Gkroz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 08:32:07 -0700 X-UIDL: 39445df2371bb08602b1a79cfd243d1c <> Thanks for the ideas on other boxes with delay ducking...but I wonder if "standard" ducking delays will work with infinite (or near-inf) feedback the way it works in the Vortex/Fractal algo., i.e, new input to the loop erases old, rather than adding to it? Don't suppose the plex has anything like this? (the more I get into the Vortex, the more I wish IT could get upgraded memory!...what a shame the world was looking elsewhere at the time--and that you gotta depend on 10,000 other people to want what you want to get it!) Thanks, dpc From ???@??? Sat Jun 14 15:22:38 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 14 09:42:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wcvuA-0005iC-00; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 09:42:22 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 08:55:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: 4 Sec Delay Resent-Message-ID: <"2m7lm.A.AMF.mlsoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 09:42:22 -0700 X-UIDL: 0620eeac8d3c5cca357e8328901cba59 >> > I remember one of the bass majors at the UCSD music department used one >> > as part of his graduation recital. It was neat because he had a Persian >> > rug and did this pseudo meditation/religious invocation act while looped >> > electric bass was flying in the ether. >> > >> >> I wonder if this was Ken Filiano, an older cat with tremendous skills in >>the jazz & new > Ken an "older cat", gee, he's an old friend of mine, I'll have to tell him about this. You're right about the trmendous skills part, he's a total mother on his instrument, and has just gotten better since moving to New York. I think he's going to be a major player on the scene soon. >Actually, the best looping show I saw at UCSD was by John Stevens, a >guitar-playing maniac on the faculty. He does have a CD out, which I >hope to get around to writing a review about someday. Needless to say, >this CD has less to do with Fripp and occupies the more abrasive end of >the tonal spectrum. > This sounds very cool, what's the title/label? ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Sat Jun 14 15:22:40 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 14 13:20:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wczJ6-0000CA-00; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:20:20 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:25:30 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: RE:interface, RE:mixer Resent-Message-ID: <"jhEdeB.A.PMH.Exvoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:20:20 -0700 X-UIDL: 3dd6151a410ff35a26dbb16cd3d0818f John Michael Beard said: > I have recently changed my gear around slightly because of this problem: > > >10. Leds/lights on the Oberheim foot-controller > >- For live performance, I'm not always close enough to my rack to see > >what's lit-up. But I am close to the foot controller. > > I've started keeping my rack at the front of the stage, to one side of me. So do I. I sit to play (to operate my faders on the ground) and have a 5 unit rack upright, slightly inclined (to come out underneeth with the multicore to the pedal) on my right side. So its easy to read display and access knobs. Matthias From ???@??? Sat Jun 14 15:22:41 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 14 13:21:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wczJw-0000Ga-00; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:21:12 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:26:04 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Hexapohic pickups Resent-Message-ID: <"bcpd9.A.aRH.xxvoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:21:12 -0700 X-UIDL: bcea4a421db72efd03e2ae6f5580282c Hayden wondered a while ago: >I dont think the gk pickup was designed to be used as a general 6 output >pickup that would allow you to do what you wanted with the 6 output >signals. yes it is, but the problem is that the pickup does not sound good because it is installed so close to the bridge. And it has to be installed there, because otherwhise its impossible to separate strings well while the player is bending. Piezo bridge pickups do not have this problem and separate a lot better than the magnetic ones. >I think you would need a general purpose 6 output pickup to do the trick >with the mixer. I have no idea where you are going to find such a pickup >but there has got to be something out there! Shadow / RMC / PARADIS /... for piezo Bartolini / Armstrong... for magnetics. Matthias From ???@??? Sat Jun 14 15:22:41 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 14 13:21:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wczKP-0000JR-00; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:21:41 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:26:54 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Sustainer Update+ NEW approach Resent-Message-ID: <"odrVZC.A.7.Tyvoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 13:21:41 -0700 X-UIDL: 00b812ffe5aff43fd46223052b36676b >BUT today's big idea. >If you've got a strat. type bridge all you have to do is slide a >piezo transducer under the bridge saddles, readjust action accordingly, >send your signal to the piezo and surely something will happen. >Piezo transducers can be salvaged from those wristwatches that bleep, >or purchased from electronic component suppliers. I did this. It worked for highest frequencies only because the piezo has a very small extrusion. For the same reason it only works as beeper for high notes or tweeter, no bass. Matthias From ???@??? Sat Jun 14 19:23:14 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 14 19:04:06 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wd4fl-0007Nt-00; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:04:05 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <970614110910_912189405@emout18.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 15:49:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Vortex delay ducking/Unique? Resent-Message-ID: <"wOYat.A.F0G.w00oz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:04:05 -0700 X-UIDL: a9bb4ae5c986d9ce02acc4582b134bb0 Status: O X-Status: ><> >Thanks for the ideas on other boxes with delay ducking...but I wonder if >"standard" ducking delays will work with infinite (or near-inf) feedback the >way it works in the Vortex/Fractal algo., i.e, new input to the loop erases >old, rather than adding to it? I think my intellifex just turns the delay output down when there is an input signal. Takes the muddiness out while still giving a nice delay at the end of the phrase. Probably not as interesting as the vortex, but useful anyway. >Don't suppose the plex has anything like this? The echoplex has the replace function. While you've got replace held down, it replaces the loop with whatever input you've got going. As soon as you let it go it stops the replace. It's not quite the same as you describe with the vortex, but I think you could get a similar effect. It's a great way to make really mutated loops. I like to do things like loop a sustained chord, and then tap replace while holding a different chord. The loop gets interesting rhythmic blips in it, with the instant chord changes at the replace boundary. Another thing I like is to create rhythm with silence. By that I mean creating a dense "sound carpet" loop, and tapping replace in some rhythmic way with no input. The holes in the sound become the rhythm.... >(the more I get into the Vortex, the more I wish IT could get upgraded >memory!...what a shame the world was looking elsewhere at the time--and that >you gotta depend on 10,000 other people to want what you want to get it!) >Thanks, dpc If lexicon were smart, they would license it to a smaller manufacturer who wouldn't mind the low volume and give it more attention. Big "if", I guess......it took them a long time just to put up a web page, they might never get on the intellectual property bandwagon.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Jun 14 18:58:07 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 14 17:17:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wd30N-0002W1-00; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:17:15 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 14 Jun 97 19:13 CDT From: "kim corbet" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: strings and springs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: POPmail 2.3b2 Resent-Message-ID: <"0BplZB.A.1MC.SOzoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:17:15 -0700 X-UIDL: bcde6e08cc72d2d8aa7daba6482a27bf > << you can reach > her through the Deep Listening website, if you're still curious.>> > > Do you have the web address? Are there sound samples of these instruments? > > Jim ....sorry, but I think any search engine would find it...try Pauline Oliveros and look for info about "deep listening". From ???@??? Sat Jun 14 18:58:07 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 14 18:06:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wd3lj-0004Zc-00; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 18:06:11 -0700 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 21:02:57 -0400 (EDT) From: VanEyck To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Lexicon Jam Man AC adapter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Ktm7dC.A.VHE.F9zoz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 18:06:11 -0700 X-UIDL: 23e7b73f36a7de7f4922bd23a8262f3d Hello, Can someone forward me the address of the Lexicon Consumer Service dept.? I need to locate an AC adapter for a Jam Man. Thanks, TREVOR. VanEyck@interlog.com From ???@??? Sat Jun 14 18:58:08 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 14 18:09:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wd3oo-0004qQ-00; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 18:09:22 -0700 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 21:05:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <970614210548_-1094341617@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Vortex patch exchange Resent-Message-ID: <"IAAh6.A.2WE.1A0oz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 18:09:22 -0700 X-UIDL: 6e13e263cb6f88e724c86a4739a72ccd Many thanks, Andy, for your cool Vortex patch--delighted to be exchanging patch data with other delighted loopers; here's my current fave: Fractal B Fractal B mix 64 64 output 64 64 modFXlevel 64 64 EchoFXlevel 64 64 morphAB 1 64 Envelope PEDAL 64 echo 1-:- 1 2 echo 2-:- - 3 feedback 1 64 64 feedback 2 1 4 rate 1 8 PEDAL depth 1 32 46 resonance 1 1 58 rate 2 7 8 depth 2 64 64 resonance 2 61 34 This is a loop morpher that you start in A, tapping in a long repeat; the pedal controls the send to the delay and the ducking function over-writes what's there, so no mush, but you gotta be careful not to lose the good stuff as you build your loop. When you're ready to morph, hit A/B and the 2:3 rhythm slowly takes over (dial in different rates with both the morph parameter and the feedback 2 parameter--feedback 1, too, for that matter). As soon as you hear something you like, hit A/B again and it'll freeze as it goes immediately to register A. While in reg B, the pedal modulates the tones into in-beat noise, along with the input, but this isn't recorded (too bad?). The new input is, tho'; change envelope to 1 if you don't want this. I typically use this register while playing a sound that isn't going thru the V, so the loop is on it's own, changing gradually, or dramatically and temporarily from pedal movement. From ???@??? Sat Jun 14 19:23:15 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 14 19:15:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wd4qO-00007z-00; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:15:04 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:09:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Lexicon Jam Man AC adapter Resent-Message-ID: <"h-1FoC.A.RUH.N_0oz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:15:04 -0700 X-UIDL: 755451980879a1d793cdb60934fd17fb Status: O X-Status: Trevor said: > Hello, > > Can someone forward me the address of the Lexicon Consumer Service >dept.? I need to locate an AC adapter for a Jam Man. Evil wall warts strike! Nothing I hate more than music gear requiring these flimsy, poorly made, easy to lose, too big for the power strip pieces of junk. And everything I have needs a different one! hate them hate them hate them......... Greg Hogan is Lexicon's customer service rep. He reads this list, and will no doubt contact you on Monday.....right Greg? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Jun 15 00:55:13 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 14 19:46:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wd5LB-0001eO-00; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:46:53 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:40:44 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Yamaha SU-10? Resent-Message-ID: <"wutLKC.A.2ZB.rc1oz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 19:46:53 -0700 X-UIDL: 0ddad8b9380105ad7a76543e258dc173 Anybody checked out the Yamaha SU-10 phrase sampler? http://www.yamaha.co.uk/html/products/p_su10.htm It has a nifty looking ribbon controller on it for pitch and scratch effects, but I couldn't tell if it could do obvious loop functions like Overdubbing. Anybody tried it? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Jun 15 00:55:14 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 14 20:01:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wd5Z1-0002Ud-00; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:01:11 -0700 Message-ID: <33A35A99.12D5@bgnet.bgsu.edu> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 22:59:37 -0400 From: Jeff Schwartz X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Vortex patch References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3RiieC.A.vKC.Jq1oz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 20:01:11 -0700 X-UIDL: f77b1532856e4ef551cea074ccdb48df I'm into the Vortex patch swap idea-the rest of y'all should speak up if it gets annoying. This is one of my favorites for leads-it's a kind of a ring modulated deal. Shimmer B mix- 64 output- 64 mod level- 0 echo level- 64 morph- 16 envelope- 32 echo 1- 2 echo 2- 3 feedback 1- 28 feedback 2-37 rate 1-61 depth 1-61 resonance 1- 4 rate 2- 20 depth 2-59 resonance 2-16 I'm hoping that by swapping our sounds, I'll have a better sense of how to exploit the swirly beast. Like, both of the patches folks posted before were for looping and involved morphing between series and parallel delays, right? I never thought of that before. It's going to be fun to play with. This sound here is one of those things where you're going to hear only the delayed sound, so tap a musical interval (like, 1 or 2 beats, or a measure, depenmding on tempo) and play that much ahead of the rest of what's going on on stage (this visually freaks people out too, like a poorly dubbed movie, a bonus stolen from Henry Kaiser). You could get just the modulated sound, instead of just the delayed, but I like how this sounds-running the modulated stuff through the echo for the short time gives it a cool doubled effect and with a longer tapped time, the 2/3 echo comes into play. I like the sound of ring modulation-it's not a sound that's been used much outside of academic electronic music-I dig that about the Vortex, almost every show I do with it, folks ask me "what was that effect?" becuase they've heard a sound that they've never heard live before (like ring modulation or pedal controlled flanging or echos with the regeneration pedal controlled)... Also, ring modualtion changes the pitch relationships (or is it the harmonic content?) of what I play so, even though I may be playing a habit pattern (major scale), what's coming out is something new and different. Damn I'm lazy sometimes.... -- Jeff Schwartz jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html From ???@??? Sun Jun 15 00:55:15 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 14 21:49:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wd7G5-00076z-00; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 21:49:45 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 14 Jun 97 23:47 CDT From: "kim corbet" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: strings and springs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: POPmail 2.3b2 Resent-Message-ID: <"xr96RC.A.mhG.4P3oz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 21:49:45 -0700 X-UIDL: 463113b859c036d89f1c84cc20ec8fb8 > > > deeplisten@aol.com > http://www.deeplistening.org ....oh, cool. sorry about the previous post, I hadn't seen this yet... the spare kim From ???@??? Sun Jun 15 00:55:16 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 14 23:37:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wd8w2-0003ad-00; Sat, 14 Jun 1997 23:37:10 -0700 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 02:33:40 -0400 (EDT) From: BlkSwan03@aol.com Message-ID: <970615023340_172706255@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New Ideas for Loop-boxes: Wishes and Dreams Department. Resent-Message-ID: <"YnqY-.A.nOD.G04oz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 23:37:10 -0700 X-UIDL: 071ad9e149dcf7f9e160510b11c82a9a In a message dated 6/15/97 3:42:41 AM, you wrote: << the comercial success of looping gear was not convincing>> Just exactly how bad was it? I think they would sell much better if the sales people had half a clue. A proper demonstration of a high quality looping device would have damn near anyone selling their grandmother to get one! Let me know when you need to make the video. I'm there. Jim From ???@??? Sun Jun 15 01:50:00 1997 >From kflint Sun Jun 15 01:20:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wdAYF-0006eD-00; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 01:20:43 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 01:14:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: David Myers mometarily returns.... Resent-Message-ID: <"DG8e0.A.5JG.DW6oz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 01:20:43 -0700 X-UIDL: 58bc57acb0ed011c4ae29bc83b0512e0 David Myers was on the list a while back. He sent this to me the other day (totally unsolicited!), I thought some of you may be interested: >>From kflint Tue Jun 10 23:06:14 1997 >Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 02:06:38 -0500 >From: David Myers >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: kflint@annihilist.com >Subject: Hi Kim > >Kim- > >I'm sure you remember my rant about the Echoplex gating a few months >ago. I was trying subtle decays, and it really had me tearing my hair; >I even put the unit away for a while. Just today I finally carried out >the input/output gain mod you outlined in the FAQ, and lo and behold! >Not only has my complaint been nixed, the whole 'Plex experience is >several notches up the scale. Really, really big difference all around! > >I wanted to tell you this because I think it should be part of the FAQ >and you should keep this in mind when responding to desperate >gate-haters, of which I've seen a few on the mail list in the past. If >I was still on & had their posts, I'd mail 'em. But it just took so >much time every day! > >Will keep looking in to find notice of the promised update, though I'm >now so happy with the state of my machine, I wonder what could be >better.... > >DM > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Jun 15 13:47:50 1997 >From kflint Sun Jun 15 07:15:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wdG60-0007dn-00; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 07:15:56 -0700 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 09:57:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <970615095713_1309284134@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Vortex delay ducking/Unique? Resent-Message-ID: <"zn1l0B.A.YEH.Aj_oz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 07:15:56 -0700 X-UIDL: e813fe6c77ccc43b2f40f4e2515a26b7 <<...The echoplex has the replace function....>> Sorry to hear about it! I keep trying to avoid the simple truth: There ain't no "one-best-looper;" you gotta get 'em all! Thanks, Kim dpc From ???@??? Sun Jun 15 13:47:50 1997 >From kflint Sun Jun 15 07:31:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wdGLO-0000L3-00; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 07:31:50 -0700 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 10:21:10 -0400 From: crb@silvertone.Princeton.EDU (Curtis Bahn) Message-Id: <199706151421.KAA17865@silvertone.Princeton.EDU> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: David Myers mometarily returns.... Resent-Message-ID: <"VLRXl.A.hO.4x_oz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 07:31:50 -0700 X-UIDL: 3da8dc37c42c76fb023907a693a1c5a1 >I even put the unit away for a while. Just today I finally carried out >the input/output gain mod you outlined in the FAQ,....... Where is the FAQ? curtis From ???@??? Sun Jun 15 22:20:11 1997 >From kflint Sun Jun 15 19:57:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wdRzH-0005uD-00; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 19:57:47 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 21:16:44 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Fractal B patch Resent-Message-ID: <"Ef0NAD.A.2aF.2sKpz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 19:57:47 -0700 X-UIDL: 403b8a4176c3d38de918c11310926bf3 Hats off to Mr(s). Dpcoffin. I loaded this patch into my vortex this afternoon and then had to run up to Baltimore to take my dad out to dinner. I just spent the last hour and a half playing with your masterpiece. The last six months or so I've mainly been programming my synths and doing the midi leg work to have 4 synths, two jam men, and some effects all be triggerred from my Fender Jaguar. My vortex has patiently waited in my rack. Used and tweakd on the fly...nothing saved in the last two years...but now you have my interest up. Many many thanks! Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Sun Jun 15 22:20:06 1997 >From kflint Sun Jun 15 14:13:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wdMbZ-0007Bw-00; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 14:12:57 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199706151421.KAA17865@silvertone.Princeton.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 14:06:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: David Myers mometarily returns.... Resent-Message-ID: <"OV78cD.A.QpG.ypFpz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 14:12:57 -0700 X-UIDL: 393f8a42398ba5a95d8ce781849dd1df >>I even put the unit away for a while. Just today I finally carried out >>the input/output gain mod you outlined in the FAQ,....... > >Where is the FAQ? >curtis The Looper's Delight web site is here: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html The tools section is here: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/tools.html The echoplex area is here: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/echoplex.html The echoplex FAQ is here: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/echoplex/FAQ.html hope this helps! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Jun 15 22:20:09 1997 >From kflint Sun Jun 15 17:57:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wdQ6Q-0000up-00; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:57:02 -0700 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: jam man questions Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 03:00:42 +0200 Message-ID: <19970616010042015.AAA183@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"vU0h4.A.8t.v7Ipz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:57:02 -0700 X-UIDL: 45263025101e0c39e0a62476f9d80f97 Hi all In the last weeks I've followed Loopers topics with great interest. For the first time, yesterday, I had the opportunity to try the Jamman. I'm considering to buy the unit but not before some of you experts clarify some concepts... Thank you in advance... - When the upgrade will be ready? And what will be the features? Higher price? Have I to wait some more time for it? - Any problem with 32 sec. upgrade?? Where can I find it on the net?? - This is vital. I'd like to let grow my loops in spontaneous ever changing compositions. Does the Jammark allow you to start with loop 1, add a layer as loop 2, add another layer as loop 3, erase loop 1, add a new loop 1, erase loop2, etc., all without interruption? For me continuity should be essential... The little I tried was to change loop number STOPPING the last loop and adding a new one. THEN you could shift from a recorded loop to another. This seemed a big limitation for me...I'd like to add a new loop while listening the other ones. Thanks again for your help. Ciao Leo From ???@??? Sun Jun 15 22:20:11 1997 >From kflint Sun Jun 15 19:44:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wdRmN-0005Ef-00; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 19:44:27 -0700 X-Sender: jtaylor@scsn.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jay Taylor Subject: vortex patches Message-Id: Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 19:42:56 -0700 Resent-Message-ID: <"klqj8.A.P1E.0gKpz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 19:44:27 -0700 X-UIDL: 8303dd999e3deffef3335a8cde660d57 please keep this up. i'm having fun watching from the peanut gallery, and i plan to try these patches this week. a web site would be great for these things, or at least a compilation. jay taylor From ???@??? Mon Jun 16 00:29:27 1997 >From kflint Sun Jun 15 22:32:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wdUPJ-0005VC-00; Sun, 15 Jun 1997 22:32:49 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 22:26:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: vortex patches Resent-Message-ID: <"8yxHcB.A.bAF.79Mpz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 22:32:49 -0700 X-UIDL: 59adaa1964e9f131d87653d452e4b2c6 >please keep this up. i'm having fun watching from the peanut gallery, and i >plan to try these patches this week. a web site would be great for these >things, or at least a compilation. >jay taylor If one of you vortex nuts wants to make a page full of patches with desciptions (or even audio files) for the Looper's Delight web site, by all means do so! I think a lot of people would be interested in that. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Mon Jun 16 10:35:41 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 16 01:36:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wdXHJ-0005CZ-00; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 01:36:45 -0700 X-From_:mail@bocs.co.uk Mon Jun 16 01:36:43 1997 Received: from mail.bogo.co.uk [193.112.164.14] by ferret with esmtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wdXHF-00058Y-00; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 01:36:42 -0700 Received: from pcsup2 (dial89.web-plus.co.uk [193.192.199.89]) by mail.bogo.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04070; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:34:57 +0100 Message-Id: <199706160834.JAA04070@mail.bogo.co.uk> Reply-To: From: "bocs" To: Cc: Subject: are you receiving me? Old-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:36:57 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Mail to Andrew@bocs.com bounced 3 times X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 01:36:45 -0700 X-UIDL: e67124353844bc9c32b502777bc3111a I keep trying to reply to various messages, but my mail never appears on the list. This is a bit of a test, forgive me. Regards Andrew Andrew@bocs.com From ???@??? Mon Jun 16 10:35:40 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 16 01:36:46 1997 Received: from mail.bogo.co.uk [193.112.164.14] by ferret with esmtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wdXHF-00058Y-00; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 01:36:42 -0700 Received: from pcsup2 (dial89.web-plus.co.uk [193.192.199.89]) by mail.bogo.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04070; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:34:57 +0100 Message-Id: <199706160834.JAA04070@mail.bogo.co.uk> Reply-To: From: "bocs" To: Cc: Subject: are you receiving me? Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:36:57 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UIDL: 1d317b9a7f9cdc247e8c2307f871e8bc I keep trying to reply to various messages, but my mail never appears on the list. This is a bit of a test, forgive me. Regards Andrew Andrew@bocs.com From ???@??? Mon Jun 16 10:35:42 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 16 01:59:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wdXd5-0005tr-00; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 01:59:15 -0700 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 04:01:28 -0500 From: John Pollock Subject: Re: Fractal B patch To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-to: johnpollock@delphi.com Message-id: <33A500E8.3965@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: Resent-Message-ID: <"F_kjFD.A.XcF.9_Ppz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 01:59:15 -0700 X-UIDL: b4125b8763f60da281a0d2f96a8d053b Patrick Smith wrote, in part: > The last six months or so I've mainly been programming my synths and doing > the midi leg work to have 4 synths, two jam men, and some effects all be > triggerred from my Fender Jaguar. Please: A verbal description of your control scheme, or perhaps a graphic wiring diagram on your Website? Please? Please! John Pollock mailto:johnpollock@delphi.com http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock (Troubador Tech) From ???@??? Mon Jun 16 10:35:47 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 16 06:35:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wdbwQ-0005uW-00; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 06:35:30 -0700 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:31:39 -0400 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: vortex patches To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199706160931_MC2-188B-A9F9@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"W9PpKD.A.LZF.QCUpz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 06:35:30 -0700 X-UIDL: 5e644892c192b7904a701fdcd5b5a808 > If one of you vortex nuts wants to make a page full of patches with > desciptions (or even audio files) for the Looper's Delight web site, by all > means do so! I think a lot of people would be interested in that. Very interested!!! ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm Support the Warr Guitar Defense Fund http://home.earthlink.net/~greendog/warrfund.html From ???@??? Mon Jun 16 10:35:45 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 16 06:00:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wdbOZ-0004IT-00; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 06:00:31 -0700 Message-Id: <9706161300.AA11767@beryllium.lexicon.com> Priority: urgent Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 09:51:00 -0400 From: "Sellon, Bob" Subject: RE: jam man questions To: Loopers-Delight X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Resent-Message-ID: <"t7eUlC.A.bzD.EhTpz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 06:00:31 -0700 X-UIDL: bf7f1554cf6c6f87f96f6caa96a8db53 >- When the upgrade will be ready? And what will be the features? Higher >price? Have I to wait some more time for it? Work continues on the upgrade but legal issues need to be resolved. I have several things going on, of which JamMan is only one so it's hard for me to provide a specific date. I should have a clearer picture in the next few weeks. Right now the primary new features are: pan-able multiple loops, undo, the ability to switch the loops into loop, echo or sample mode in real time, a built in slap delay, non-destructive click, MIDI learn, full MIDI SysEx and loop divide. I'm also investigating the possibility of replacing the EPROM with a flash ROM that would allow the future upgrades to be done via MIDI. The upgrade package will probably include a first generation Windows glass interface as well for what ever its worth (I haven't forgotten you Mac people. I just don't own one and will have to work out a port when I get the Windows version doing something useful). The upgrade will be less than $200. If response is good enough I am considering doing further ROMs with additional/different features for significantly less money. Again, this is NOT a Lexicon upgrade. In other words, don't call Lexicon and expect them to know anything about it. >- This is vital. I'd like to let grow my loops in spontaneous ever changing >compositions. Does the Jammark allow you to start with loop 1, add a layer >as loop 2, add another layer as loop 3, erase loop 1, add a new loop 1, >erase loop2, etc., all without interruption? For me continuity should be >essential... The little I tried was to change loop number STOPPING the last >loop and adding a new one. THEN you could shift from a recorded loop to >another. This seemed a big limitation for me...I'd like to add a new loop >while listening the other ones. The released version of the JamMan software does not do this (the upgrade will). If you need this functionality now, the Digital Echoplex is probably your best bet. I believe it currently provides this functionality. As a side note, the output of the JamMan was specially designed with sufficient drive capability to power 600 ohm headphones for private looping. This feature was not listed on the web site or the A-B comparisons with other products. Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec From ???@??? Mon Jun 16 10:35:58 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 16 08:48:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wde1D-0005TO-00; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:48:35 -0700 Message-Id: <9706161543.AA12353@beryllium.lexicon.com> Priority: urgent Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:47:00 -0400 From: "Hogan, Greg" Subject: RE: Lexicon Jam Man AC adapter To: Loopers-Delight X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Resent-Message-ID: <"3adWU.A.nvE.G7Vpz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 08:48:35 -0700 X-UIDL: 2d6db9039e2b7c42be71a1c16d73d030 Trevor said: > Hello, > > Can someone forward me the address of the Lexicon Consumer Service >dept.? I need to locate an AC adapter for a Jam Man. and kim replied with: "Evil wall warts strike! Nothing I hate more than music gear requiring these flimsy, poorly made, easy to lose, too big for the power strip pieces of junk. And everything I have needs a different one! hate them hate them hate them......... Greg Hogan is Lexicon's customer service rep. He reads this list, and will no doubt contact you on Monday.....right Greg? kim" You are so right Kim. Actually I have forwarded Trevors original message to Beth Fitzpatrick(efitzpat@lexicon.com) who should be contacting him shortly with pricing. Kim if you had purchased only Lexicon products you would be happy to know that the ones that use those ugly power lumps all use the same one with the exception of the LXP5. I know I don't have to explain the cost factors to you. Before any flames occur let it be known that I am not a fan of these power lumps either. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone 617-280-0372 FAX 617-280-0499 email: ghogan@lexicon.com From ???@??? Mon Jun 16 11:26:09 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 16 11:13:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wdgH6-00031F-00; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:13:08 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 10:54:26 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: RE: Lexicon Jam Man AC adapter Resent-Message-ID: <"zNkz4B.A.jeC.GDYpz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 11:13:08 -0700 X-UIDL: d270433710f12a9fc6338ddf365390f5 >and kim replied with: >"Evil wall warts strike! Nothing I hate more than music gear requiring >these >flimsy, poorly made, easy to lose, too big for the power strip pieces of >junk. And everything I have needs a different one! hate them hate them >hate >them......... Yeah, what he said! I just got a Furman Pluglock outlet strip. Holds 5 of the lumpy suckers, and clamps them down so they stay plugged in. It's a pretty simple (but kinda expensive) device that simplified my life... ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Mon Jun 16 23:31:22 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 16 12:33:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wdhWr-0001JV-00; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:33:29 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Lumpy AC adapters Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 15:23:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 44 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: <"fAkHTD.A.xo.-LZpz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 12:33:29 -0700 X-UIDL: d149a9c762e5aecb3268376d85dd0e30 >----quote--- >From: improv@peak.org >Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Sent: Monday, June 16, 1997 6:54 PM >To: John_Ott@ATK.COM >Subject: RE: Lexicon Jam Man AC adapter > >>and kim replied with: >>"Evil wall warts strike! Nothing I hate more than music gear requiring >>these >>flimsy, poorly made, easy to lose, too big for the power strip pieces of >>junk. And everything I have needs a different one! hate them hate them >>hate >>them......... > >Yeah, what he said! > >I just got a Furman Pluglock outlet strip. Holds 5 of the lumpy suckers, >and clamps them down so they stay plugged in. It's a pretty simple (but >kinda expensive) device that simplified my life... -----end quote---- I use a cheap power strip with the sockets rotated 90 degrees then use cable ties to lock'em down. I don't like them either but the alternative is power supplies and fans to make floor and rack gear bigger and more expensive. Of all my gear only the Fender Amp and Mackie Mixer have built in supplies. Actually a lumpy supply saved a home computer of mine (TI-99/4a early eighties with lumpy power supply) Lighting hit the house and ran through the basement wiring. Fried a mid 60's Zenith tube color TV (burned the chassis beyond repair) blew out some diodes on the black and white TV (used as computer screen) the computer on same circuit was unharmed. Little lumpy survived also. Replaced the diodes on the B&W and the whole rigs still works to this day. (currently in a closet as I have two Macs. ) later John > From ???@??? Mon Jun 16 23:31:39 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 16 16:19:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wdl3j-0003Ok-00; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 16:19:39 -0700 X-From_:nyfac2@nyfac.com Mon Jun 16 16:19:32 1997 Received: from mail2.panix.com [198.7.0.33] by ferret with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wdl3Y-0003NE-00; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 16:19:31 -0700 Received: from o2 ([208.7.228.2]) by mail2.panix.com (8.8.5/8.7.1/PanixM1.0) with SMTP id SAA29706 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33A5C585.41C6@nyfac.com> Old-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 19:00:21 -0400 From: nyfac Organization: New York Film & Animation Co. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SGoldC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: wall wart removal kits References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 16:19:39 -0700 X-UIDL: 53695ffee314637e63875bb7214cf709 To solve my wall wart problems I find an old two pin power cord, cut it off six inches from the plug and solder it onto the plug on the wall wart with a little heat shrink tubing. I doubt it's UL approved, but I have been doing it for about four years and as yet not run into any problems. Somebody else had the same idea and sells them as Wart Removers (or something similiar). When I did time at Sam Ass we sold them. Don't know if the are still made though. the other Trevor From ???@??? Mon Jun 16 23:31:47 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 16 22:05:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wdqSp-0002nX-00; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 22:05:55 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970617050312.0068339c@flash.net> X-Sender: jbstudio@flash.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 00:03:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: John Michael Beard Subject: RE:Jamup Grade,RE:Warts Resent-Message-ID: <"Xvde6C.A.pWC.kphpz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 22:05:55 -0700 X-UIDL: 9049c406e750f1acfedd4d9820f2cf93 Bob said: >The upgrade will be less than $200. If response is >good enough I am considering doing further ROMs with additional/different >features for significantly less money. I will definitely get the upgrade as soon as I can afford it[and it's available]. I start salivating with every tease. Like everyone I hate warts. I have the Furman strip with vertical slots, which is of some help, but still haven't come up with a decent way to keep the double-damned things plugged in. In defense of them tho, if a power supply goes out it's easy to replace, and I've had to, several times. The funny thing is, I've never had an internal supply fail on me. Maybe that's not so funny. "The present-day composer refuses to die." Edgar Varese,1921 John Michael Beard http://www.flash.net/~jbstudio From ???@??? Tue Jun 17 01:00:18 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 16 23:54:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wds9T-0001c8-00; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 23:54:03 -0700 Message-Id: <199706170651.XAA26717@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Subject: Re: I like wall warts! Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 23:44:25 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"3Z03_D.A.1WB.lPjpz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 23:54:03 -0700 X-UIDL: c98faa83d3af9d206d40ec3f7840da8e Uhh... David, Did your message have a body or did you mean to say it all in the subject header? ---------- > From: David_Mitchell@HP-Australia-notes1.om.hp.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: I like wall warts! > Date: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 12:19 AM > From ???@??? Tue Jun 17 01:00:19 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 17 00:00:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wdsFN-00021P-00; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 00:00:09 -0700 Message-ID: <33A63505.30BF@fredmarshall.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 22:56:08 -0800 From: fred marshall Reply-To: fred@fredmarshall.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: wart hooks, etc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DNdiWC.A.2sB.dVjpz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 00:00:09 -0700 X-UIDL: a9e7f3ba0c3de256737afb03d41fea12 - yo ! - i read: " Like everyone I hate warts. I have the Furman strip with vertical slots, which is of some help, but still haven't come up with a decent way to keep the double-damned things plugged in." - try VELCRO . . . (tape) . . . obtainable @ local sewing/fabric place. - good luck . . . mmmmm - black max from loctite is even better and you don't have to keep pluggin them in . . . From ???@??? Mon Jun 16 23:31:48 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 16 22:50:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wdr9z-0005rb-00; Mon, 16 Jun 1997 22:50:31 -0700 From: David_Mitchell@HP-Australia-notes1.om.hp.com X-Openmail-Hops: 1 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 97 17:19:56 +1000 In-Reply-To: <"NOTES_CORRELATION_ITEM*"@MHS> Message-Id: <"140010:1*"@MHS> Subject: I like wall warts! Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Lotus" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"RwpHYC.A.7OF.kTipz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 22:50:31 -0700 X-UIDL: 1d26bb4fd6253475483d492f09d673a8 Hello everyone, I've got a slightly different take on wall warts... Because they're pretty much universal these days, I can buy gear overseas (usually in the US) at the cheapest possible price, ship it back home, replace the wall wart with one for local power (240V, 50Hz) and be up and going quickly and easily. This definitely beats either buying gear locally (I'm in Australia) for cost reasons, or buying gear with an integrated power supply and going through the hell of getting it changed to 240V 50Hz. I've got a huge big 240V to 110V transformer sitting under my studio desk, which powers all my gear that (a) I can't get converted for a reasonable price coz it doesn't have a wall wart, and (b) doesn't mind running at 50Hz. The transformer weighs a ton, probably constitutes a fire risk and is a huge pain to transport. If it was a totally wall wart world, I'd be much happier! To any of the equipment manufacturers listening out there: please don't change! Dave Mitchell From ???@??? Tue Jun 17 01:17:13 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 17 01:07:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wdtIr-00057v-00; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 01:07:49 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <"140010:1*"@MHS> References: <"NOTES_CORRELATION_ITEM*"@MHS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 00:32:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: I like wall warts! Resent-Message-ID: <"ksrl9B.A.ikE.vUkpz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 01:07:49 -0700 X-UIDL: 5b0066f98077af8dbde90e50ee17c3ab At 5:19 PM +1000 6/17/97, David_Mitchell@HP-Australia-notes1.om.hp.com wrote: >Because they're pretty much universal these days, I can buy gear overseas >(usually in the US) at the cheapest possible price, ship it back home, >replace the wall wart with one for local power (240V, 50Hz) and be up and >going quickly and easily. This definitely beats either buying gear locally >(I'm in Australia) for cost reasons, or buying gear with an integrated >power supply and going through the hell of getting it changed to 240V 50Hz. > >I've got a huge big 240V to 110V transformer sitting under my studio desk, >which powers all my gear that (a) I can't get converted for a reasonable >price coz it doesn't have a wall wart, and (b) doesn't mind running at >50Hz. The transformer weighs a ton, probably constitutes a fire risk and >is a huge pain to transport. > >If it was a totally wall wart world, I'd be much happier! > >To any of the equipment manufacturers listening out there: please don't >change! Well, a decently designed internal power supply can handle power conditions all over the world, with no trouble. You shouldn't have to be buying different wall warts and transformers and crap like that. We are talking about equipment designed for professional use, in fairly harsh conditions. Any manufacturer of music gear should expect that their equipment will travel around the world and endure a wide range of environmental conditions. If they respected the players using their equipment, they would design it to handle all these conditions reliably. It's not even hard! The echoplex supply was the first serious power supply design I did, and it works anywhere with pretty good reliability. It's not even that expensive. Believe me, it didn't take much skill to do that! The power supply is one of the most critical components in your gear, and most manufacturers give it the least amount of thought in the design process. The amazing thing is that musicians just accept it! Other professional industries would never allow the power supply to be such a weak link in the system. The music industry gets away with it because you let them! Do you really think the price is lower because it uses a wall wart? Don't be naive! They cut the parts cost, increase their profit margin, and charge you the same price they would have charged with an internal supply. Know why? Because most musicians don't pay attention to the power supply when buying gear! It's not a marketing issue, you'll buy it either way! If it needed 687 "C" batteries, you wouldn't know until you got it home! My cheap cd player has a decent internal supply, why should I accept that music gear costing hundreds or thousands of dollars more than that uses a wall wart? My rant for the week, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Jun 17 01:17:12 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 17 01:07:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wdtIo-00057f-00; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 01:07:46 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 00:46:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: Lumpy AC adapters Resent-Message-ID: <"J_2lU.A.zkE.xUkpz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 01:07:46 -0700 X-UIDL: 01f6269e04bafb58fd18c9659c7e3f25 >I don't like them either but the alternative is power supplies and >fans to make floor and rack gear bigger and more expensive. I'd be happy to pay a little extra up front so that I wouldn't have to deal with the ongoing expense and headache of wall warts. Actually, I'd pay quite a bit more, but that's me. As far as space goes, big clunky wall warts and extra power strips are currently taking up a lot more of my space than rack gear with internal supplies which may be an inch or two deeper because of it. >Actually a lumpy supply saved a home computer of mine >(TI-99/4a early eighties with lumpy power supply) >Lighting hit the house and ran through the basement wiring. > Fried a mid 60's Zenith tube color TV (burned the chassis beyond >repair) >blew out some diodes on the black and white TV (used as computer screen) >the computer on same circuit was unharmed. Little lumpy survived also. >Replaced the diodes on the B&W and the whole rigs still works to >this day. (currently in a closet as I have two Macs. ) A power supply that passes the regulatory requiremnts enforced in most parts of the world should not have these problems. The charge from the lightning just gets shunted to ground or blows the fuse and never reaches the equipment. If you want more confidence, power strips with surge protection are pretty cheap. Wall warts will also protect you from lightning, but only because the cheap Chinese made transformer will blow up...;-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Jun 17 10:01:07 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 17 05:45:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wdxde-0007N3-00; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 05:45:34 -0700 Message-Id: <199706171243.NAA06826@mail.bogo.co.uk> Reply-To: From: "andrew" To: Cc: Subject: daemons all round my bed Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:43:09 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cZ1XjD.A.vzG.yZopz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 05:45:34 -0700 X-UIDL: c638836f57a8e7ae23e13026d208cb52 Apologies brethren, but I'm trying to figure out why my mail to the list doesn't get there. Kim suggested daemons don't like the word 'mail' in my address,so I've changed it to be something else. Pardon me, pard andrew From ???@??? Tue Jun 17 10:01:13 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 17 07:35:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wdzMI-000542-00; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 07:35:46 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:30:22 -0400 From: "Jason N. Joseph" Subject: multilple loops w/ Jamman upgrade? To: Loopers-Delight Message-ID: <199706171030_MC2-189E-F91D@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"SH5lRD.A.haE.H_ppz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 07:35:46 -0700 X-UIDL: 1f876d66aff3dcd1e8e3df7a3d77e252 Pardon me if I'm being slow about the technicalities of the proposed Jamman upgrades, but when you mention having 4 loops going at once, that can be any speed, does that mean each one can be a different, not-necessarily-related-to-the- other-loops length? That is, can I, for example, have one loop with a periodicity of 3 seconds, another at say, 17, then one at 5 and another at 7? Pardon if I'm being repetitive here, but it is still one of my utmost desires to be able to do something along the lines of the early Eno and/or Fripp experiments with multiple tape machines running at different lenghts such that the end result is unpredictable ... I can do it by putting loops of different lengths onto my DA-88, but the result is then quite static. It'd be nice to be able to do it "live" with just a Jamman. Thanks for any help, Jason N. Joseph Comfortably Obscured Productions From ???@??? Tue Jun 17 10:01:14 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 17 07:50:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wdzaz-00067y-00; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 07:50:57 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 07:29:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: RE:Jamup Grade,RE:Warts Resent-Message-ID: <"xvJjjB.A.kmF.RPqpz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 07:50:57 -0700 X-UIDL: a4b5857750edac016bf50f2cbfc2a260 > Like everyone I hate warts. I have the Furman strip with vertical slots, >which is of some help, but still haven't come up with a decent way to keep >the double-damned things plugged in. In defense of them tho, if a power >supply goes out it's easy to replace, and I've had to, several times. The >funny thing is, I've never had an internal supply fail on me. Maybe that's >not so funny. The Furman strip I have has L-shaped metal strips that fit over the wart and then tighten with thumbscrews. Seems the best design I've seen yet. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Wed Jun 18 01:08:04 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 17 12:05:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0we3Za-0005dZ-00; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:05:46 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:29:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <970617142610_-926457460@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Lex PCM-80 Resent-Message-ID: <"x98-1.A.A5E.-7tpz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:05:46 -0700 X-UIDL: 05eee8a5f2a313fdb0e9dcc1b0e64bca Anybody out there using this box as an occasional looping device? I understand that it's no plex or JM, but the looooooong stereo delays and sophisticated dynamic fx make it sound pretty impressive for a "sometimes" looping setup. Comments? Thanks David From ???@??? Wed Jun 18 01:08:09 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 17 12:47:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0we4E0-0001Fh-00; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:47:32 -0700 From: Kevin Simonson Message-Id: <199706171941.AA278546460@eagle.uis.edu> Subject: Digitech Delays... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:41:00 -0600 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <9706161300.AA11767@beryllium.lexicon.com> from "Sellon, Bob" at Jun 16, 97 09:51:00 am Content-Type: text Resent-Message-ID: <"CsCYS.A.-n.Wiupz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:47:32 -0700 X-UIDL: 85c71fd0f035e29338f40cee5b7e669d Hello All... Does anyone know what the specs are for the various delays in the RDS series OTHER than the time machine and -8000 units? In particular, I am interested in the 900's, which I have heard possess a CV input. Any info? Anyone? While I'm at it, how about ANY older rack units with CV in? 'much appreciated... -- Kevin Simonson * AS/400 Application Development Team University of Illinois-Springfield * Programmer / Analyst Computer Science, et al. * Norwest Mortgage, Inc. simonson@eagle.uis.edu * Springfield, IL From ???@??? Wed Jun 18 01:08:22 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 17 14:55:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0we6ED-0002jA-00; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:55:53 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:05:55 -0700 X-Sender: mgsam@wave.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: I like wall warts! Resent-Message-ID: <"ClJQpC.A.K_B.zZwpz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:55:53 -0700 X-UIDL: 2f34bb9d2a6525b5b4097152ccc7e768 >My rant for the week, > >kim The LoOpDoctOrs are in full agreement with this rant. Wall warts are a disgrace. From ???@??? Wed Jun 18 01:08:28 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 17 15:49:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0we73j-0006wV-00; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 15:49:07 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:43:19 -0400 (EDT) From: BlkSwan03@aol.com Message-ID: <970617184257_-695364620@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: I like wall warts! Resent-Message-ID: <"sE6g0.A.uJG.fNxpz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 15:49:07 -0700 X-UIDL: b9aef13afc169166ff0e72d6777b0d5b Right on Kim! Now, how about gear that have no on/off switches. This totally peeves me. How much do manufacturers really save by eliminating this most essential piece of kit? Jim From ???@??? Wed Jun 18 01:08:34 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 17 16:26:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0we7dS-00024v-00; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:26:02 -0700 Message-ID: <41DE695CE6FCCF11AD1000805FCCF8EC1BB30B@SF-01-MSG.dns.microsoft.com> From: Tom Attix To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: I like wall warts! Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:20:53 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.30) Resent-Message-ID: <"2Qzg1.A.pkB.awxpz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:26:02 -0700 X-UIDL: eadc2400795a315d0ae800ff7089ff15 Not to take the side of big business, but the logic behind excluding cheap but nonessential parts/features goes like this: If widget-X costs $1, then by not including it you make $1 per unit. At this point, we are generally inclined to say "Cheap bastards! Making $1 more on a $300 item!". However, from the manufacturers point of view, if he/she/they sell a million units, he/she/they will increase their profits by $1,000,000. The make or break point on this kind of feature inclusion/exclusion is: Will you buy it without the switch? The answer is generally "yes". As far as switches go, unless they include some kind of smart shut down circuitry (most don't need it), throwing the switch is the same as pulling the cord out of the wall. A good surge protector will generally have switch on it, if you use it, you only have to turn one thing off. > -----Original Message----- > From: BlkSwan03@aol.com [SMTP:BlkSwan03@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 3:49 PM > To: Tom Attix > Subject: Re: I like wall warts! > > Right on Kim! Now, how about gear that have no on/off switches. This > totally peeves me. How much do manufacturers really save by > eliminating > this most essential piece of kit? > > Jim From ???@??? Wed Jun 18 01:08:40 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 17 17:36:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0we8jq-0007kx-00; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:36:42 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 19:53:25 -0400 From: UFO WALTER Subject: PCM-80 To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706171953_MC2-18B2-4560@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"tPPUYD.A.6HH.N0ypz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:36:42 -0700 X-UIDL: 85ccd0ee7eeb0100532ced4a9c8d221a Hi everybody ,my name is Ufo .I am the German Demoartist of Lexicon.I am a Bassplayer and do performances on international tradeshows.When people ask me about my favourit bassplayer,i mostly say Jimi Hendrix.So you know what my thing is about maybe.I am reading your messages since Bob Sellon told me about your club and i am really surprised how many different people talk about the same thing-Jamman.Well, after Bob told you guys about his new version ,which i thougt is still secret,i must say,after trying it in his house ,that this guy is a genius.I didn«t expect such a big range of new possibilities.God,or whoever is responsable, bless you Bob. Also i am surprised that you people didn«t talk to much about the brilliant loop possibilities of the MPX 1.I am using the Jamman for my musicalbackings and the PCM 80 and MPX1 for interactive loops and delays.One guy(David?) said he doesn«t like the interface of the Jamman.I think i made a lot of people in Europe buying a Jamman,because it is so very easy to handle.If you would use the Midicontrolls for start stop fade out function tap and whatever you want,then you don«t have to look at the frontpanel or even touch it with your hands while you«re on stage.Keep it simple.Well it«s a pleasure joining your club. my adress:ufowalter@compuserve.com Keep on looping..straight ahead From ???@??? Wed Jun 18 01:08:42 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 17 22:15:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0weD5a-0002aX-00; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 22:15:26 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 01:12:27 -0400 (EDT) From: BlkSwan03@aol.com Message-ID: <970618011225_-993022146@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: New to List - Intro & Trouble Finding a Plex Resent-Message-ID: <"8tjm2D.A.CRC.552pz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 22:15:26 -0700 X-UIDL: b1a685e6fa49580568d6c27958ad234f In a message dated 6/15/97 12:38:54 PM, you wrote: <> Good title for the CD. Jim From ???@??? Wed Jun 18 10:36:15 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 18 05:05:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0weJUY-00050Z-00; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 05:05:38 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 08:01:20 -0400 From: UFO WALTER Subject: Ufo´s delight To: Everybody Message-ID: <199706180801_MC2-18B4-2B01@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"4uwRQC.A.MkE.n58pz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 05:05:38 -0700 X-UIDL: 8370838440ae5a2e9763c89d86f9d6fe Hi everybody ,my name is Ufo .I am the German Demoartist of Lexicon.I am a Bassplayer and do performances on international tradeshows.When people ask me about my favourit bassplayer,i mostly say Jimi Hendrix.So you know what my thing is about maybe.I am reading your messages since Bob Sellon told me about your club and i am really surprised how many different people talk about the same thing-Jamman.Well, after Bob told you guys about his new version ,which i thougt is still secret,i must say,after trying it in his house ,that this guy is a genius.I didn«t expect such a big range of new possibilities.Check it out.God,or whoever is responsable, bless you Bob. Also i am surprised that you people didn«t talk to much about the brilliant loop possibilities of the MPX 1.I am using the Jamman for my musicalbackings and the PCM 80 and MPX1 for interactive loops and delays.One guy(David?) said he doesn«t like the interface of the Jamman.I think i made a lot of people in Europe buying a Jamman,because it is so very easy to handle.If you would use the Midicontrolls for start stop fade out function tap and whatever you want,then you don«t have to look at the frontpanel or even touch it with your hands while you«re on stage.Keep it simple.Well it«s a pleasure joining your club. my adress:ufowalter@compuserve.com Keep on looping..straight ahead -------------------- End Forwarded Message -------------------- From ???@??? Wed Jun 18 10:36:16 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 18 05:08:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0weJXg-0005DG-00; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 05:08:52 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 08:04:55 -0400 From: UFO WALTER Subject: Ufo´s delight To: everybody Message-ID: <199706180805_MC2-18B4-E484@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"OCxvd.A.LuE.A98pz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 05:08:52 -0700 X-UIDL: 5b2d49ac1df16f1c73729430b029c54e Hi everybody ,my name is Ufo .I am the German Demoartist of Lexicon.I am a Bassplayer and do performances on international tradeshows.When people ask me about my favourit bassplayer,i mostly say Jimi Hendrix.So you know what my thing is about maybe.I am reading your messages since Bob Sellon told me about your club and i am really surprised how many different people talk about the same thing-Jamman.Well, after Bob told you guys about his new version ,which i thougt is still secret,i must say,after trying it in his house ,that this guy is a genius.I didn«t expect such a big range of new possibilities.God,or whoever is responsable, bless you Bob. Also i am surprised that you people didn«t talk to much about the brilliant loop possibilities of the MPX 1.I am using the Jamman for my musicalbackings and the PCM 80 and MPX1 for interactive loops and delays.One guy(David?) said he doesn«t like the interface of the Jamman.I think i made a lot of people in Europe buying a Jamman,because it is so very easy to handle.If you would use the Midicontrolls for start stop fade out function tap and whatever you want,then you don«t have to look at the frontpanel or even touch it with your hands while you«re on stage.Keep it simple.Well it«s a pleasure joining your club. my adress:ufowalter@compuserve.com Keep on looping..straight ahead From ???@??? Wed Jun 18 10:36:14 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 18 04:48:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0weJE7-0004LO-00; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 04:48:39 -0700 Message-Id: <9706181149.AA03138@beryllium.lexicon.com> Priority: urgent Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 08:40:00 -0400 From: "Sellon, Bob" Subject: RE: multilple loops w/ Jamman upgrade? To: Loopers-Delight X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Resent-Message-ID: <"1JamjB.A.I7D.hp8pz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 04:48:39 -0700 X-UIDL: 90f7b5a89a19362f1ab6daf72f916235 Jason wrote: >Pardon me if I'm being slow about the technicalities of the >proposed Jamman upgrades, but when you mention having >4 loops going at once, that can be any speed, does that mean >each one can be a different, not-necessarily-related-to-the- >other-loops length? That is, can I, for example, have one loop >with a periodicity of 3 seconds, another at say, 17, then one at >5 and another at 7? Pardon if I'm being repetitive here, but it is >still one of my utmost desires to be able to do something along >the lines of the early Eno and/or Fripp experiments with multiple >tape machines running at different lenghts such that the end >result is unpredictable ... I can do it by putting loops of different >lengths onto my DA-88, but the result is then quite static. It'd be >nice to be able to do it "live" with just a Jamman. Yes. That is the intent. We're still working on the details but I'll keep you posted. Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec From ???@??? Wed Jun 18 23:42:15 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 18 11:15:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wePBx-0000UN-00; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:10:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199706181806.LAA28852@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: IPS-33B Date: Wed, 18 Jun 97 13:07:13 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"Mlopz.A.aC.XOCqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:10:49 -0700 X-UIDL: 28a4e4772526ce88c05bfc91333eafa5 >Has anyone used the Digitech IPS-33B Smart Shift as a looping device? Torn uses it in his instructional video to process his loops, and it sounds pretty cool. I don't think it can loop par se. I've been meaning to try one out, as there's one for sale locally that no-one's moving on, but I'm pressed for rack space. Travis Hartnett P.S. Just checked out the Digitech Whammy/Wah/Volume pedal. Very, very cool. I've got the original Whammy Pedal, and it's going to get bumped in favor of this--footswitchable presets (step up/down only, as opposed to the orignal's hand-requiring, difficult to read knob), stereo, six octave dives, blah, blah, blah. Still has hateful wall wart, but at least the case is metal. From ???@??? Wed Jun 18 10:36:18 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 18 06:23:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0weKi6-0000Rj-00; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 06:23:42 -0700 Sender: camao@camsg001.millennium.co.uk Message-ID: <33A7E05B.2C67@millennium.co.uk> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:19:23 +0100 From: Os X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: piano 507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"A-3VsD.A.tO.6B-pz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 06:23:42 -0700 X-UIDL: 5740f613f15269b2a2a99fd1258400d7 Glad to have been introduced to this interesting-looking mailing list. Just thought I'd mention a CD that might be of interest: ext. night - david cunnigham (piano 507) http://webworlds.net/the-wilderness/piano/piano507.htm cheers, -- Os os@millennium.co.uk http://webworlds.net/os/ From ???@??? Wed Jun 18 23:42:07 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 18 11:00:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0weP2I-0007Re-00; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:00:50 -0700 Message-ID: <01BC7BEB.8778C060@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: IPS-33B Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:28:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tiYZoB.A.qzG.yGCqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:00:50 -0700 X-UIDL: 92860d35a3a664462130284df3e1147d Has anyone used the Digitech IPS-33B Smart Shift as a looping device? Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Wed Jun 18 23:42:18 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 18 13:43:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0weRWV-0001Mn-00; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:40:11 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 16:11:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <970618161118_-1731206692@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ufo«s delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Resent-Message-ID: <"AS4kSC.A.DC.8IEqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:40:11 -0700 X-UIDL: c5a5e9a14ab27136657d616b31bca643 In a message dated 6/18/97 7:34:24 PM, you wrote: <> PLEASE say more about how you're using these deep and provocative devices as loopers. I'm assuming that the key difference between them and the dedicated guys like plex and JM is the richness of the delay programming possibilities, and the subsequent ways you can modulate and mutate whatever is rolling around in the delay feedback...but it's not at all clear what the real possibilities are, esp. since Lex. seems virtually uninterested in this aspect of delay-dom these days. Appreciate any and all clues, since on paper the expandable PCM-80 sounds extremely capable, but a much-anticipated audition of one in a rackety Sam Ash pro-audio dept today was neither enlightening nor very inspiring. Auditioning the add-on cards seems simply out of the question, and maybe that's the only reason I'm suspecting that the gold is in those upgrades. Thanks David From ???@??? Wed Jun 18 23:42:20 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 18 13:55:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0weRl9-0001K8-00; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:55:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199706182048.QAA16862@brickbat8.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: IPS-33B Date: Wed, 18 Jun 97 16:50:20 -0500 x-sender: briareus@pop.mindspring.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: "C.H.Glansdorp" To: "Loop List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"YpUAYC.A.Hp.fnEqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:55:19 -0700 X-UIDL: e8b6e52156b4e0188573ca7815e71d7f >>Has anyone used the Digitech IPS-33B Smart Shift as a looping device? > >Torn uses it in his instructional video to process his loops, and it >sounds pretty cool. I don't think it can loop par se. I've been >meaning to try one out, as there's one for sale locally that no-one's >moving on, but I'm pressed for rack space. The IPS-33B was my first harmonizer - I don't recall it having looping capabilities. It did have a basic delay system of I believe up to 2000ms (that could be fed back into the harmonizer for delayed/stacked arpeggiations, etc). I was using a Digitech RDS-8000 as my loop toy back then. +------------- | Christopher H. Glansdorp | Cellist/Electric Cellist +------------- From ???@??? Wed Jun 18 23:42:21 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 18 13:58:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0weRoW-0001kS-00; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:58:48 -0700 Message-Id: <199706182055.QAA26541@brickbat9.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Ufo«s delight Date: Wed, 18 Jun 97 16:57:18 -0500 x-sender: briareus@pop.mindspring.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: "C.H.Glansdorp" To: "Loop List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"Y4cRbB.A.8SB.UtEqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:58:48 -0700 X-UIDL: df2edbf0d38417b86f2e24d8d1dadf72 >surprised that you people didn't talk to much about the brilliant loop >possibilities of the MPX 1.I am using the Jamman for my musicalbackings and >the PCM 80 and MPX1 for interactive loops and delays.>> > >PLEASE say more about how you're using these deep and provocative devices as >loopers. I'm assuming that the key difference between them and the dedicated >guys like plex and JM is the richness of the delay programming possibilities, >and the subsequent ways you can modulate and mutate whatever is rolling >around in the delay feedback I picked up an MPX-1 recently (finally getting rid of my old QuadraVerb), but am just starting to dig around this new box. I'd also be really interested in hearing how people are using the MPX-1, especially in conjunction with a dedicated looper. Fun stuff to explore while I wait for the Plex to arrive. -CHG- From ???@??? Wed Jun 18 23:42:56 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 18 16:34:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0weUFR-00050z-00; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 16:34:45 -0700 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199706182332.QAA11147@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: John Stevens' Barrage To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 16:32:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Dave Trenkel" at Jun 14, 97 08:55:17 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tZPApB.A.4fE.FAHqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 16:34:45 -0700 X-UIDL: 7bee10a8b278b100c4386d3900c1dc56 > >Actually, the best looping show I saw at UCSD was by John Stevens, a > >guitar-playing maniac on the faculty. He does have a CD out, which I > >hope to get around to writing a review about someday. Needless to say, > >this CD has less to do with Fripp and occupies the more abrasive end of > >the tonal spectrum. > > > This sounds very cool, what's the title/label? The title is Barrage and the label is A Planet Of Loose Change The address given on the CD is 205 1/2 Park Ave. Long Beach, CA 90803-1748 John's email is jstevens@ucsd.edu I listened to the CD again. When I examined John's setup at the live show, he had two or three full racks of gear. The show took place before the release of the Jam Man or the Oberheim Echoplex so I don't know what he was using for looping. I would say the music has more in common with Fred Frith than with Robert Fripp; lots of feedback and "industrial" type sounds (jackhammers, sirens, etc.) by manipulating his guitar and effects in certain ways. Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Wed Jun 18 23:42:56 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 18 18:32:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0weW5J-0004vV-00; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:32:25 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 21:28:34 -0400 From: UFO WALTER Subject: Re: Ufo´s delight MPX a Vortex? To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706182128_MC2-18C0-1D22@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"qi8l5B.A.bcE.UuIqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:32:25 -0700 X-UIDL: 9f39c09233d9d6d98ca50f1466980ffa Well a special thing about looping with the MPX is the way you can insert different effectblocks into the loop or the feedback of a delay.Maybe try program :119 Capture EQ It is a very basic loop,but it«s good to start with.If you go to options while you are in the loop- or delay edit,then you can choose an effect block into which the looped signal should run.I am using it with an expressionpedal,so i have direct cotrol over the level and fade in or out time.It is very good for layerd interactiv solostuff,when the jamman or whatever is busy with backingwork.It reminds me to the Vortex Deja Vu Algorithm.Whatever you do with Lexiconstuff,always try a footpedal and midicontroll.It gives total control. UFO From ???@??? Wed Jun 18 23:42:58 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 18 18:56:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0weWSr-0006WH-00; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:56:45 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 21:54:44 -0400 Message-Id: <199706190154.VAA00917@server1.mich.com> X-Sender: veatch@mich.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jef Veatch Subject: Wall Warts Resent-Message-ID: <"4dhaID.A.r2F.fEJqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:56:45 -0700 X-UIDL: 523450ae81b1a6dc57da33415dc10ca6 Lot of mention 'bout warts... I haven't seen the biggest reason *i* hate them. Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Better than 80% of the 60 cycle i get in the gear i have is caused by these little buggars. I've found that an 8 to 12 inch seperation between an AC cord and audio cables will prevent transferring hum from the AC cord into the audio path. For wall warts, that distance is closer to 3 to 4 *feet*. At this point, i have a long power strip located in the corner of my music room that holds all of the warts. At least the enemy isolated. :-) By the way, for you equipment reps out there; wall warts *are* on my short list of why *not* to buy a piece of gear. There has to be a *strong* reason to over-rule that one. (like a JamMan for $200... :-) I would personally spend twice as much on a piece of gear that has a well shielded internal power supply. Not out of principle, but due to the fact that i don't consider any piece of "professional" audio gear that uses a device that creates 60 cycle hum (which *no* serious musician or engineer could possibly want) so profusely to be a piece of equipment that i would consider to be of any quality whatsoever. Whew... Do *i* feel better... -Jef From ???@??? Wed Jun 18 23:42:58 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 18 19:00:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0weWWT-0006sM-00; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:00:29 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 21:59:23 -0400 Message-Id: <199706190159.VAA01511@server1.mich.com> X-Sender: veatch@mich.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Jef Veatch Subject: Re: Digitech Delays Resent-Message-ID: <"BPm8IC.A.rOG.3IJqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:00:29 -0700 X-UIDL: 5d290cb4e6db93873f8af3d61e4621bc : : Does anyone know what the specs are for the various delays in the RDS series : OTHER than the time machine and -8000 units? In particular, I am interested : in the 900's, which I have heard possess a CV input. Any info? Anyone? : : While I'm at it, how about ANY older rack units with CV in? I have an old MXR rack mountable Flanger/Double (sounds great, less filling...) that has a CV input. Unfortunately, not being a keyboardist, i have no idea what range of voltage is kosher for this input. I haven't received a definitive answer from anyone yet, so i'll ask the list: What range of voltage is kosher for this input? :-) 'Preciate any feedback. -Jef From ???@??? Wed Jun 18 23:43:02 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 18 19:51:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0weXJo-0003Ui-00; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:51:28 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:48:07 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: The LoOpDoctOrs scream HELP!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"bS5maB.A.jGD.44Jqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:51:28 -0700 X-UIDL: 6a38407d1955a2bb824d7164cb2a00ed Dear Kim: We just tried to install the full 4 by 4 of SIMS into our Echoplex. AGGHGGGHGGHGG! The machine just went bonkers, blinking indecipherable code on the display and then shutting down. We have tried doing the hold down "parameter" button and turn on power reboot...but it isn't working. More gobledygook code. We bought 30 pin, 70 ns simms, but it doesn't seem to be working. We have one of the oldie Echoplexes with a sticker inside that says Dec. 1994. You have any ideas what we should try next? We have installed simms many times and are completely hip to anti static warnings. Best, The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Wed Jun 18 23:43:04 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 18 20:06:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0weXYR-0004H2-00; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 20:06:35 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:04:36 -0400 (EDT) From: VanEyck To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digitech Delays In-Reply-To: <199706190159.VAA01511@server1.mich.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"jGm7wC.A.73D.QHKqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 20:06:35 -0700 X-UIDL: 70065c25efbc84fb8f2061edcbff7f43 On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Jef Veatch wrote: > What range of voltage is kosher for this input? :-) > > 'Preciate any feedback. Ummm, technically, any voltage that has been presided over by your local Vaad Hakashruth should do, but if you are still having problems I know a Rabbi who could find you a loophole for just about anything. TREVOR. From ???@??? Wed Jun 18 23:43:06 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 18 20:46:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0weYBN-0006D8-00; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 20:46:49 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970619035258.00a976a8@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 20:52:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: The LoOpDoctOrs scream HELP!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"5JrmQD.A.irF.5sKqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 20:46:49 -0700 X-UIDL: 7db042792c549292f42bfb1405b4d46e should work, somethin's busted! you might want to try: - make sure the simms are all the way in the sockets. sounds obvious but I've been there many times. - be careful installing/removing them. If you are using a significant amount of force, you stand a good chance of breaking something. you might want to put your old memory back in to make sure that the sockets are ok. - remove them and check the sockets to make sure all the contacts are healthy looking and that there is no debris or cooties in there. check the simm contacts as well. - Install one pair at a time and see if maybe you have a bad simm. - make sure they all really are 4 meg simms. If you tell me the part #'s on the chips and the number of chips/simm I could tell you. - return them for a different set or get plex repaired as necessary. - holding the parameter button at powerup probably won't help you here. That just resets the parameters stored in non-volatile memory. simm size is not related. - the mfg date of your echoplex has nothing to do with it. good luck..... kim At 07:48 PM 6/18/97 -0700, you wrote: >Dear Kim: > >We just tried to install the full 4 by 4 of SIMS into our Echoplex. >AGGHGGGHGGHGG! > >The machine just went bonkers, blinking indecipherable code on the display >and then shutting down. > >We have tried doing the hold down "parameter" button and turn on power >reboot...but it isn't working. More gobledygook code. > >We bought 30 pin, 70 ns simms, but it doesn't seem to be working. We have >one of the oldie Echoplexes with a sticker inside that says Dec. 1994. You >have any ideas what we should try next? We have installed simms many times >and are completely hip to anti static warnings. > >Best, >The LoOpDoctOrs > > > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 19 01:56:25 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 18 23:49:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0web2b-0004OZ-00; Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:49:57 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:45:11 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: The LoOpDoctOrs scream HELP!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"z7z0T.A.wwD.DXNqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:49:57 -0700 X-UIDL: 6ed18f6b677084a1cc596d9c7c0ea5b7 Hi Kim: Thanks for your usual help and good graces. There's nothing obviously broken. I get a flashing "LD-3 3.1" code when I turn the unit on and then sometimes it just keeps blinking, while other times it shuts itself down. Eight chips on the SIMM and the code says: KOREA 414Y KM41C4000C3-7 These look used. I suspect a simm problem. Best, The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Thu Jun 19 10:42:55 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 19 02:02:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wed6y-00019S-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 02:02:36 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 00:20:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: gear schmear, music is best Resent-Message-ID: <"AbF1U.A.ey.BUPqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 02:02:36 -0700 X-UIDL: e485e9b7f42cc15bef4a596c6341e968 Status: O X-Status: jeez, we can be the biggest gear geeks on the planet some days! Somebody pleeeeez start an interesting thread about music...anything! I'd do it but i'm too busy and exhausted to think at the moment. anything but gear...... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 19 01:56:26 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 19 00:47:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0webwE-0002N8-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 00:47:26 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 00:44:13 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: The LOopDoctOrs calm down... Resent-Message-ID: <"rQGWuD.A.IBC.XOOqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 00:47:26 -0700 X-UIDL: 27e5451881f36d474c78dad80f060e43 Hi Kim: Yep, BAD simms alright. Plugged in the old stuff and the Echoplex is acting normal. Incidentally, now that I have the thing open, I am going to attempt the pin cut mod and the gain mod. Do you have any favorite tools for the pin cut mod? I notice the #5 pin is a very tight squeeze. And are you simply desoldering and resoldering the resistors to modify the gain, or are you clipping them out and then soldering in? Best, Kevin From ???@??? Thu Jun 19 10:42:59 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 19 04:49:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wefie-0003Zc-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 04:49:40 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 07:46:14 -0400 (EDT) From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: <970619074239_-1496093198@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: E-bow Resent-Message-ID: <"LkSHm.A.FMD.ExRqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 04:49:40 -0700 X-UIDL: 471d507ce6a951abe43ea6d811d51d4f If you need equipment, I can order it for you at a good price and then ship it to you in France. From ???@??? Thu Jun 19 10:43:05 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 19 07:15:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wehzT-0001eR-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 07:15:11 -0700 Message-ID: <01BC7C99.A87C7320@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: Recommended Recordings Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 10:15:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0ul7vC.A.mVB.j5Tqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 07:15:11 -0700 X-UIDL: ab72aa4cf748eb06407a849660d0e5d0 Earlier this year there was a long thread of posts about recordings that loopers requested. What new recordings do you recommend? (I really enjoyed learning about DJ Spooky from the last thread of posts.) Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 19 10:43:04 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 19 07:14:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wehyw-0001bs-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 07:14:38 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 07:16:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: gear schmear, music is best --> Loop dynamics Resent-Message-ID: <"jNgee.A.lPB.F4Tqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 07:14:38 -0700 X-UIDL: 90e32bfef11cccc0830757cb98771482 > >Somebody pleeeeez start an interesting thread about music...anything! I'd >do it but i'm too busy and exhausted to think at the moment. anything but >gear...... > >kim OK....Lately, I've been listening to Terry Riley's "Dervishes" album. Now, I don't think he used looping devices on this stuff, but just performed the repetition manually. I am assuming that you all still consider this loop music, even though he performed the loops, rather than using a device. Steve Reich also falls into this category. Reich tends to slightly alter each loop (sometimes by one note at a time) after a certain number of repetitions. It seems that there are two extremes: Pure repetition and pure chaos. As loopists, we tend towards the pure repetition, but as it has been stated on this list, this is static and tends to be boring. The exciting part (for me, anyways, is the introduction of a perturbation into pure repetition, which propagates, and gives a dynamic or chaotic aspect to the music. For me, Steve Reich was a master at this. He played with slight alterations, especially in the melody, where he would develop a melody one note at a time, and then disintegrate the melody one note at a time. Different melodies would "rise and fall" in parallel, but with different start and end points. "Music for 18 musicians" and "Music for mallet instruments" are great examples of this. Often, I have played this music for people, and, upon first glance, they think it to be repetitive and boring. On the contrary, I love it because it is continually evolving. Each moment in time is related to past and future moments, but it is not the same! This is what I am trying to work towards. I am just now starting to explore the possibilities of the NextLoop function on the Echoplex DP. Has anyone experimented with loading a bunch of really similar loops in there, then changing between them with Next Loop function, to give the impresssion of movement, without a drastic change? Has anyone experimented with using MIDI commands (perhaps driven by a sequencer) to switch between the loops? Any startling revelations in this area? Also, anyone using interesting tricks with the feedback pedal to introduce dynamics? If so, please explain! (sorry if I reverted back to gear talk, kim...perhaps there is a "loop" quality to our talks, as well. Chris From ???@??? Thu Jun 19 10:43:14 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 19 09:07:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wejkV-0000Ix-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 09:07:51 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:11:49 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: interactive loops Resent-Message-ID: <"W7TbwD.A.1MH.EhVqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 09:07:51 -0700 X-UIDL: 49d6d9a433a6bb1ca282e3d4c7cdd699 Welcome Ufo ! >I am the German Demoartist of Lexicon.I am a >Bassplayer and do performances on international tradeshows. I think I saw you in Frankfurt in '94. Really good demo, as I mentioned to the list before! >the PCM 80 and MPX1 for interactive loops and delays. Never heard of interactive loops. Sounds great. How would you define? Matthias From ???@??? Thu Jun 19 10:43:12 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 19 09:07:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wejkA-0000HE-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 09:07:30 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:12:03 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Lex PCM-80 Resent-Message-ID: <"ZQJJVC.A.YPH.ahVqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 09:07:30 -0700 X-UIDL: 512e00860c7003cfe7e37459e19cf633 >Anybody out there using this box as an occasional looping device? I >understand that it's no plex or JM, but the looooooong stereo delays and >sophisticated dynamic fx make it sound pretty impressive for a "sometimes" >looping setup. Comments? I wanted to use it to create pitch shifted repetitions and realized the none of the pitch algorithms has more than 1,2 sec of delay :-( The Tap/Rhythm definition is smart Matthias From ???@??? Thu Jun 19 10:43:15 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 19 09:26:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wek2j-0001hp-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 09:26:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199706191618.JAA05438@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: Lex PCM-80 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 09:25:47 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Nd3qM.A.iOB.uyVqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 09:26:41 -0700 X-UIDL: 436a6515c34facd3d5d20cfe52c95cb0 > From: Matthias Grob > I wanted to use it to create pitch shifted repetitions and realized the > none of the pitch algorithms has more than 1,2 sec of delay :-( > The Tap/Rhythm definition is smart The Digitech GSP-2101 can do something similar to what you are describing. You can send the delay line (up to 5 sec I think) into the "arpeggio" module -- causing each repetition of the delay to be pitch shifted one step higher (or lower) than the previous. The fun begins when you have one arpeggio module pitch shifting down and the other pitch shifting up and then you add the auto panner module to each arpeggio line....Viola! -- you've got something that sounds very chaotic in a beautiful sort of way!! Matt ----------------------------- Matt McCabe Sales/Marketing Support BI-TECH Software Inc. 890 Fortress Street Chico, CA 95973 916.899.4348 http://www.bi-tech.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 19 10:43:19 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 19 10:37:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wel8v-0007R4-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 10:37:09 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:31:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Kim Corbet Subject: Re: gear schmear, music is best To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"_XCIZ.A.eXG.dzWqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 10:37:09 -0700 X-UIDL: b59e69eb8f57f4baeb100474d42c88f1 Okay...good call. my latest inspiration came from sitting in a Dallas seafood bar several weeks ago. There were 3 hanging tvs at different distances, all tuned to different channels (one sports, one sitcom, one news station), plus two or three conversations and the guy calling out orders and numbers. It was, basically, a slightly chaotic texture with clear, disparate sources. As I changed my focus, I could change the nature of the "performance" and, when I walked around the space, I could, of course, manipulate the balance, drawing parallels of synchronicity through the polyphony. In our Dallas band, GOUGE, most of us have loopers and we've been working with the concept of selective listening. We may start off absolutely together, but, over time, we begin to separate in terms of tempo or tonal center or even style...adding megaphone speeches or theatrical events that stand in concert or contrast with any part of the overall. If music reflects life, it's nice to play/hear music that reflects the diversity of stimuli we're continuously faced with. It's becoming increasingly rare to do just one thing at a time and it's likely in the future we'll have tv, radio, even movies that include multiple images, multiple songs and multiple plots all at the same time. I believe loopers are ahead of their time in this regard with their ability to clone their own images. I'm looking forward to a device that creates holographic images of the performer that appear with each loop, so there's a "fan" of images standing there, building audio/visual textures....................................spare kim From ???@??? Thu Jun 19 11:47:39 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 19 11:09:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0weleP-0001um-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:09:41 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BC7C99.A87C7320@mark.asisoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:02:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Recommended Recordings Resent-Message-ID: <"u78CiD.A.WkB.MVXqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:09:41 -0700 X-UIDL: 42534eca0c0730cbedb0f5096e36334d >Earlier this year there was a long thread of posts about recordings that >loopers requested. What new recordings do you recommend? > >(I really enjoyed learning about DJ Spooky from the last thread of posts.) > >Mark Kata >Mark@asisoftware.com In the dj spooky vein, I recently got Aphex Twin's new album, titled "Richard D. James Album." (that's his real name) It's really cool, sort of experimental electronica. a lot pushing the drum n' bass concept to a new place, while being very musical. Aphex Twin is always known for being very experimental and creative, this is one of his best albums. (at least as far as I know) A very interesting pallette of sounds, very creative rhythmic textures. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 19 10:43:15 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 19 10:04:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wekct-0004pj-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 10:04:03 -0700 Message-ID: <33A97CE3.2041@interaccess.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:03:17 -0700 From: Jim Coker X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: gear schmear, music is best References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"J0QPDC.A.cPE._WWqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 10:04:03 -0700 X-UIDL: 739b8fcc5ec4780d7f4226187cc73496 Ok, how about this :) Anyone familiar with African M'bira music? A friend of mine just introduced it to me. Very nice ostinato-based. The notes are in patterns of 3, but the accompanying shaker beat is in 2. Jim Kim Flint wrote: > > jeez, we can be the biggest gear geeks on the planet some days! > > Somebody pleeeeez start an interesting thread about music...anything! I'd > do it but i'm too busy and exhausted to think at the moment. anything but > gear...... > > kim > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 19 11:47:40 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 19 11:11:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0welgV-00028L-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:11:51 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:09:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Recommended Recordings Resent-Message-ID: <"DyYxy.A.UrB.YWXqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:11:51 -0700 X-UIDL: fb2b365ed9b3df6099991d9fe34ad1e4 >Earlier this year there was a long thread of posts about recordings that >loopers requested. What new recordings do you recommend? > >(I really enjoyed learning about DJ Spooky from the last thread of posts.) > >Mark Kata >Mark@asisoftware.com One disc I like a lot, and have been meaning to recommend to this list, is Ned Rothenburg and Paul Dresher's "Opposites Attract", on New Worlds Countercurrents, 1991. Rothenburg plays alto sax, bass clarinet and shakuhachi, and is mostly associated with the downtown New York improvised music scene. Dresher is mostly known as a contemporary classical composer, but he's also a guitarist who has experimented with tape-based delays a lot. This record was recorded over several years, it started as a duet project with both of them using a custom 4 track tape looping system designed by Dresher. Eventually, many of these loops were transferred to samplers, and compositions constructed around them, and other musicians were added, including drummers Bobby Previte and Sam Bennet, and bassists Mark Dresser and Anthony Jackson. While most of the players involved in this project are associated with the avant-garde new music scenes, musics that I really dig but I understand are not everyone's bag, this record sounds more like the experimental instrumental rock of, for example, Torn's last CD. In fact, in places it sounds like a funkier version of '80's King Crimson, with a very resourceful reeds-player substituting for Adrian Belew. Anyway, I've listened to this disc a lot over the last 5 years, and it still holds up. Lots of very cool loops. Also, I've been listening to some CD's on the Ninja Tune label. Very cool atmospheric acid jazz/drum 'n' bass built around great funk and jazz loops. In particular, I like the "Earthrise.Ninja.2" compilation, a very reasonable priced 2 CD set that features about 2 1/2 hours of great stuff. Also, Funki Porcini's "Love, Pussycats and Car Wrecks" is quite cool. One piece is built around a loop of Ornette Coleman. Not quite as brilliant or far-reaching as DJ Spooky, but in the same league. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Thu Jun 19 11:47:48 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 19 11:32:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wem0H-0003Ti-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:32:17 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:30:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: gear schmear, music is best Resent-Message-ID: <"nHA6OD.A.05C.QpXqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:32:17 -0700 X-UIDL: 11f2dab51871043b444cb996749a47c7 >Ok, how about this :) > >Anyone familiar with African M'bira music? A friend of mine >just introduced it to me. Very nice ostinato-based. The notes >are in patterns of 3, but the accompanying shaker beat is >in 2. > >Jim Ohh yeah, I played in a marimba band for 3 years that played music derived from the Zimbabwean M'bira tradition. really fascinating stuff. Actually there are 2 main shaker, called "hosho", patterns in the Zimbabwean styles, one is 2 against 3, the other is in 2. But there are some really deep 2 against 3 and 3 against 4 polyrhythms in that stuff, and some wild interacting parts. We played some gigs with Ephat Mujuru, a Zimbabwean master M'bira player, and one of the most transcendental people I've ever known. There's a good ethnomusicological study on theis music, called "Soul of the M'bira", sorry, but I can't remember the author right now, that goes deeply into the music and it's cultural/spiritual meanings. Very interesting stuff! I've got a M'bira from Zimbabwe, with a cheap electrostatic pickup. Makes great looping fodder... ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Thu Jun 19 11:47:47 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 19 11:32:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wem0B-0003Su-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:32:11 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:30:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Recommended Recordings Resent-Message-ID: <"lisx6B.A.l6C.UpXqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:32:11 -0700 X-UIDL: 028e0c709f270bccbcd62b78c55c0e69 >In the dj spooky vein, I recently got Aphex Twin's new album, titled >"Richard D. James Album." (that's his real name) > >It's really cool, sort of experimental electronica. a lot pushing the drum >n' bass concept to a new place, while being very musical. Aphex Twin is >always known for being very experimental and creative, this is one of his >best albums. (at least as far as I know) A very interesting pallette of >sounds, very creative rhythmic textures. > Yeah, I second that. The new Aphex is very interesting, manages to be fairly lo-fi, abrasive, sophisticated and charming at the same time. The Girl/Boy remixes at the end are really killer. Actually, earlier Aphex stuff has not moved me all that much, despite his being highly recommended by friends, but the "Richard" album is great. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Thu Jun 19 12:51:24 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 19 12:54:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wenHl-0000yU-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:54:25 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:51:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199706191951.OAA13281@mail2.texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@mail.texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Re: The LoOpDoctOrs scream HELP!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"LAhcwD.A.Vt.d3Yqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:54:25 -0700 X-UIDL: fe5fcaa6be12cfcca96f2ce01811e41f hi, assuming you have not broken any of the clips that hold the simm chips, it would seem that you have a bad simm chip or chips. try some different memory ,,,that would eliminate the possibility of a bad echoplex unit. if you use the instructions that Kim Flint posted,, you should be able to eliminate your problem. good luck james rhodes At 11:45 PM 6/18/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Kim: > >Thanks for your usual help and good graces. > >There's nothing obviously broken. I get a flashing "LD-3 3.1" code when I >turn the unit on and then sometimes it just keeps blinking, while other >times it shuts itself down. > >Eight chips on the SIMM and the code says: > >KOREA >414Y >KM41C4000C3-7 > >These look used. I suspect a simm problem. > >Best, >The LoOpDoctOrs > > > > > From ???@??? Thu Jun 19 18:47:26 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 19 15:05:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wepKw-0001GW-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:05:50 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: ?really exciting new ebow effect! Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 18:03:00 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 28 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: <"FnF0sC.A.CBB.Mzaqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:05:50 -0700 X-UIDL: 125727a502e6793689d663fc5ea9715f >> > > I thought some of you out there might be half way interested in a > nifty little trick I discovered today with my EBOW....... > > I've had the same battery in the thing since december and its just now > running out, so....I decided to start playing with it. Ebows make a > really cool sound when their battery is about to die!!! It sounds like > a square wave-distorted octave box-synth-type thing. Really cool. Then > I discovered that you could get normal ebow sounds when you pressed > the drive cannel closer to the strings. When you wanted the weirdo > sound, you backed the drive channel away from the string. > < I've seen this also, but I did not play around with it I just changed the battery. At first I though sometime was wrong with my signal chain, go figure. The problem with this effect is it is short lived. Unless you can change at lot of almost dead batteries quickly? later >john > > > > From ???@??? Thu Jun 19 18:47:24 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 19 14:59:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wepEm-0000gg-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:59:28 -0700 Message-Id: <9706198667.AA866757499@fsmtp.faulkcomp.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.0 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 97 16:54:24 -0600 From: "mmason" To: Subject: Áreally exciting new ebow effect! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"keXKSC.A.QZ.Zsaqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:59:28 -0700 X-UIDL: 9354eb53039a6ce4a85206861b149d53 I thought some of you out there might be half way interested in a nifty little trick I discovered today with my EBOW....... I've had the same battery in the thing since december and its just now running out, so....I decided to start playing with it. Ebows make a really cool sound when their battery is about to die!!! It sounds like a square wave-distorted octave box-synth-type thing. Really cool. Then I discovered that you could get normal ebow sounds when you pressed the drive cannel closer to the strings. When you wanted the weirdo sound, you backed the drive channel away from the string. Then the battery totally died. Really cool sound! Wow. Boris or Jay mmason@faulkcomp.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 19 18:47:26 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 19 15:24:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wepct-0002Ln-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:24:23 -0700 Message-ID: <33A9BED6.10BA@fredmarshall.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:20:55 -0800 From: fred marshall Reply-To: fred@fredmarshall.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: "exciting e-bow effect", etc. RE: ?really exciting new ebow effect! RE: ?really exciting new ebow effect! RE: ?really exciting new ebow effect! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5lPa2.A.5AC.-Dbqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 15:24:23 -0700 X-UIDL: 6934b3bcee5e2b47f9ddccca487f3f7f - "The problem with this effect is it is short lived. Unless you can change at lot of almost dead batteries quickly?" - put a pot on it? mmmmm From ???@??? Thu Jun 19 18:47:29 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 19 17:12:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0werJk-0000YB-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 17:12:44 -0700 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199706200009.RAA19828@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Recommended Recordings To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 17:09:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <01BC7C99.A87C7320@mark.asisoftware.com> from "Mark Kata" at Jun 19, 97 10:15:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FS8VDD.A.MT.5ocqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 17:12:44 -0700 X-UIDL: f61083f5d901cc9818033a5e3b27b289 As far as electronica goes I've purchased The Orb - Orblivion DJ Krush - Meiso Chemical Brothers - (forgot the title but it's a very recent album, might even be their current one). Please note I am not very knowledgeable in this field, having had a past life as a guitar-strumming caveman who didn't think much of electronica. ^_^ My impression of the Chem Bros so far is that their CD would be great for working out. This is not an insult; it's really beat heavy, uptempo kind of stuff. The way different sounds fade in and out of the mix and are frequently looped remind me of the Orb's style. DJ Krush's CD is more straight hip-hop. The best track for me is the duet with DJ Shadow, with the two engaging in creative dialogue. I can't tell the difference between good and bad hip-hop (other than bad remakes of previous hits like the new rap tune that totally rips off Grandmaster Flash's classic). But, I do like this CD. The Orb's new CD seems to have a darker, even more dub-heavy feel than previous releases; this might be due to the new lineup of Alex Patterson plus two guys who weren't members before as far as I know. What remains the same is the creativity that this group has become known for. Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Jun 19 18:47:31 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 19 18:08:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wesBO-0003u4-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 18:08:10 -0700 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: never ending questions Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 03:10:56 +0200 Message-ID: <19970620011055265.AAA256@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"4IgJ_.A.edD.Sddqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 18:08:10 -0700 X-UIDL: c51d60cb7cc66a53e3dfb9f8bbd819fb Hi all thanks to all who took the time to reply to my questions about loop devices. I asked: >- This is vital. I'd like to let grow my loops in spontaneous ever changing >compositions. Does the Jammark allow you to start with loop 1, add a layer >as loop 2, add another layer as loop 3, erase loop 1, add a new loop 1, >erase loop2, etc., all without interruption? For me continuity should be >essential... The little I tried was to change loop number STOPPING the last >loop and adding a new one. THEN you could shift from a recorded loop to >another. This seemed a big limitation for me...I'd like to add a new loop >while listening the other ones. ...and Bob kindly replied: >The released version of the JamMan software does not do this (the upgrade >will). If you need this functionality now, the Digital Echoplex is >probably your best bet. I believe it currently provides this >functionality. Now I'd like to know for sure if the Echoplex can do all this. To have different loops going on simultaneously AND the possibility to switch to one from another and to modify each one or erasing one and letting the others going on. I'm looking for this kind of features... After months of search I've found a good deal to buy an Echoplex here in Italy so I'd like to be sure about what I'm going to purchase.... And what about the Echoplex pedalboard?? Thanks in advance Ciao Leo P.S. My girlfriend just bought me as a gift a black baseball hat with the white sign KILLER LOOP on it... cool!!! From ???@??? Fri Jun 20 02:21:33 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 19 20:48:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0weugW-0004Ge-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 20:48:28 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 23:45:17 -0400 From: UFO WALTER Subject: interactive loops To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199706192345_MC2-18CA-5E37@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"UsnYeC.A.02D.m0fqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 20:48:28 -0700 X-UIDL: 083d52ccb93c526d59944b2bdd27a28b Hi Matthias. ^ I do solo performances,so the jamman is always occupied with musicbacking work. If i want some loop stuff in between,i am using the MPX as a loopdevice. It«s a kind of call and response thing.I play a lick , and dub or delete it just with a footcontroller. A very good thing about the MPX is the patching.You can define different pedalpositions and use envelope controllers for this "interactive"control. It is like the Vortex Looper,for example:you can use an A/B switcher. A is a delay and B makes a loop out of it.You can define the loop point on your pedal and change gently between loop and delay,It«s very good for solos: repeat the last notes and screw the delayfeedback through a weired effect and loop it.There are many surprises ,if you check out the patching and the internal controllers of the MPX and PCM«s.Never justic a box by it«s presets. From ???@??? Fri Jun 20 02:21:49 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 20 00:00:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wexga-0005WA-00; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:00:44 -0700 From: sarajane@tmbsbbs.com (Sarajane) Subject: gear..schmear Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 04:16:55 GMT Message-Id: <970620010006232@tmbsbbs.com> Organization: The Malibu Bikini Shop BBS - 303.772.8549 - 28.8 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"DysT7D.A.l8E.aoiqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:00:44 -0700 X-UIDL: a6d519de4c14890dd7f20abc2f0a0a2d Dear Infinite Repeaters, Yes Kim! I agree, gear is not always fab. As a matter of fact their are only two kinds of gear: the kind you aready have, and the kind you can't afford. Decisions are made for fiscal not musical reasons by the manfacturer and musician alike. In the beginning ,a 32 second Jamman with a 2nd footswitch could be got for about 500$, while the Echoplex DP (52 sec+ per Malcomb at Oberheim) was 949$ . If you didn't have 949$ or had already purchased a Jamman it was quite a stretch to rationalize the means to obtain 20 more seconds and yet unrealized (by you) aspects of function. Every box that qualifies as a "looper" has a unique collection of electronic parameters that constitute it's construction, function, and interface reality. The difference between twisting a knob on a stompbox to modulate your captured "second' of sound and deciding where to insert a phrase in the midst of your 198 sec. orchestral wash, can be as radically different as the living circumstances of the box owners themseves. This "duality of the loop reality" coupled with the fun of looping as an international, but somehow secret, society make this list as viable as it is. The learned comments and future spyings of the industry folks who contribute to this list are important to honestly appreciate where the state of the art is in reationship to our "loop" desires. Every loop, from fractions of a second long on up, is unique, some even beautiful. Many are pieces of music that could not be easily ,if at all, replicated through an ensemble performance of like instruments, even given a compositional reference. The LD Webpage profiles suggest a 40 year range of ages in loopers and just as many styles of music being loopified. People with sizeable setups and studios, or folks with a box or two, trying to verify sightings from loopland and share stories of a musical reinvention. Sure sometimes it's alot of technical blahblah especially if you don't own the specific device in mention, but without the boxes we're at the point of playing music that may be constructed to resemble looping but will never equal it. Even multi-tracking, while strongly related, offers a truly different process and result than looping( I believe looping is good preparation for muti-tracking, and vica-versa). Popular music of all kinds is utiizing loop based sound production techniques on an increasing level, with arguably good and bad results musically , but as was the case with the synthesizer, slowly but surely introducing a sound texture to the point of acceptance by the pop audience, which learns to love every sampled "sound circle" with the same reverance once reserved for a Strat through a Marshall stack or any of the countless combinations of instrument and audio processing/recording tech- niques that have become this or that artists signature sound. There coudn't possibly be a more self-aware group of players musically in the world than loopers. Will a market driven interest for more advanced and affordable loop devices develop as with synths once?... will current manufactrers be able to improve their product line regardless of future sales prospects?....will the upgrades around the corner, fufill our exectations?....will loopers unite to organize regional performances,recordings or a global gathering?....will industry be interested enough to join such a gig?...the answer to these and other issues of loopness are likely to be found in only one place. As far as a new thread goes...here goes. I understand that David Singleton has taken some of R. Fripp's loops and transcribed them for choir. I know little else of his method, nor have I heard the result, but I'm curious if anyone else is evolving like projects, privately or otherwise. Me myself...I'm messing with acoustic piano loops and learning to Vortex a go-go in the midst of summer vacation with the wife and kids. Anyway........ Bryan Helm Still...Techno-Primitive Tantrum Boy From ???@??? Fri Jun 20 02:21:32 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 19 20:32:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0weuRR-0003P0-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 20:32:53 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 22:38:08 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: treefrog@ptel.net (Steve Cloutier) Subject: Re: gear schmear, music is best Resent-Message-ID: <"VrMBu.A.eBD.plfqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 20:32:53 -0700 X-UIDL: 31aa96a881a36e6284d0f9f60a058fe5 >Somebody pleeeeez start an interesting thread about music...anything! I'd >do it but i'm too busy and exhausted to think at the moment. anything but >gear...... > >kim [Although gear is still referred to in the following note, I believe it is only superficially.] Hello Loopers, I see this as an opportunity to introduce myself. My name is Steve Cloutier. I'm a fingerstyle acoustic guitar player and maker. I've been on the "Loop List" for a couple of months but haven't contributed because frankly alot of the tech talk has been beyond me. Also my music may be a little more traditional (sedate?) than most other's on the list. I'm definitely not looking to push the musical envelope. I'll leave that to you younger folks. My gigging guitar is equipped with an L.R. Baggs pickup system that combines the output of a piezo transducer with that of an internal microphone. I always try to maintain the acoustic sound of my guitar. The first time I saw anyone loop was in 1989. I attended the American Fingerstyle Guitar Festival and saw acoustic guitarist, Pierre Bensusan. He had a small rack of gear and a whole slew of floor pedals. His delay unit at that time was made by T.C. Electronics w/ 40 sec of memory added.(I've noticed a JamMan also in his rack recently) ...but the music! During Pierre's set his music would sometimes build into this gorgeous crescendo of huge swirly, counterpoint, chorused guitars that filled the concert hall with a perceived depth of a symphony orchestra! His system must have been all stereo because you could definitely sense the movement of the chorus/flange when he used it. The experience totally twisted my head around. I lusted heartily after one of them gadgets! I can't remember what he had said the delay cost him at the time but it was alot more than I could've scraped together then or now. I've been using the JamMan (w/32 sec) for over two years now. In fact, I credit my JM for inspiring me to get out and gig again. Since getting one, I've written quite a few songs expressly for it. In most of my tunes, I try to minimize the repetitive nature of looping in any way that I can. I feel that some of my most satisying compositions use the longest loops. Some of them get dangerously close to the 32 second limit. (I would be happy with 60 seconds of memory.........I think. :) The first time I looped in public was on the radio. I did my usual solo guitar stuff and saved one JM song for last. When the time came, everything went fine. I put down my first layer. I had a couple of beats of free time before starting my next part so I looked up at the show's host (who was wearing headphones) and raised my hands as if to say, "look ma...no hands!" She was so startled by my guitar "playing itself" that she almost jumped out of her chair! I'm always pretty conservative when I'm recording a loop but get considerably more adventurous with my non-looped improvisations. (I'm sure you've all experienced the obvious clinker that comes back at you umpteen times --- a truly painful thing.) My improvisation has also improved 100% since working with the JM. I find that the experience of looping in concert to be both terrifying and exhilarating. Terrifying because of the potential of creating a musical train wreck but at the same time I find it very exhilarating to weave a whole orchestra of acoustic guitars. And for the first time I'm playing in an ensemble where all the members are on the same wavelength. :) It's definitely worth the terror. Sorry for writing a book. Steve Cloutier * * * * * Visit my wacky "Music Repository" at: http://www.means.net/~treefrog @..@ (----) ( >__< ) ^^ ~~ ^^ From ???@??? Fri Jun 20 02:21:35 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 19 21:42:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wevWd-0006kE-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 21:42:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199706200440.VAA25139@usr03.primenet.com> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: EBow Maintenance Tips #1 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 21:40:19 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CdYFJC.A.WMG.8mgqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 21:42:19 -0700 X-UIDL: 14b4981ccd116a3e5a382aaf8aa54528 Having heard enough EBow discussion to slightly water down the Jamman/Echoplex love feast, here's a few cents from me. At some time you will get around to replacing the connector to the battery. I've had mine for over 6 years, and, between use, plastic age, and somehow an increasing amount of batteries with the terminals bent to hold too tightly (and the resultant stress associated with replacing each battery), one of the connector's terminals popped off the hard plastic seating. I was at a remote location and had no way to fix it, and the damned battery wouldn't let go. When I got back to town I replaced the hard plastic battery connector with a flexible one, making sure to solder the wires together completely. As I had found the leads to it too short in the first place, leading often to a difficult changing scenario, I left an extra inch or so on the leads that I soldered on. It's been a lot easier since I did that, especially since a battery change doesn't mean some trepidation that I might bust something, anymore. (By the way, my web page below now has streaming 28.8 RealAudio!) Stephen Goodman * Download The Loop Of The Week and more! EarthLight Studios * http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios *--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From ???@??? Fri Jun 20 02:21:36 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 19 21:53:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wevhS-0007Vk-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 21:53:30 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 21:49:58 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: The LoOpDoctOrs scream HELP!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"yqq0n.A.U4G.Uxgqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 21:53:30 -0700 X-UIDL: 855048323c695e6a3f8397cb23ece149 Thanks for your help, James... The 'plex is fine with the old memory in it, but we find it HIGHLY curious that all four simms were bad. Might it not be as simple as "any old 30 pinn > then 120 nano second Simm will work? We're trying out a three chip simm next. This will cost us $16 more dollars, but will hopefully get our looper memory enriched. Best, the LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Fri Jun 20 02:21:37 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 19 22:28:06 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wewEv-00017z-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 22:28:05 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 22:25:00 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: gear schmear, music is best Resent-Message-ID: <"WM_Fe.A.Q8.-Rhqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 22:28:05 -0700 X-UIDL: 1aabcda5ce9ab39fc05266e65023135f >>Somebody pleeeeez start an interesting thread about music...anything! I'd >>do it but i'm too busy and exhausted to think at the moment. anything but >>gear...... >> >>kim > Okay, okay...we've calmed down about the bad simms, since we got our Echoplex back up and running with the old memory... We are skepticized by the notion that we have two bad pair and wonder if the Echoplex is perhaps more finicky about the 30 pin SIMMS that go into it then is advertised in the manual. We're going to try the three chip kind next. One thing that helped calm us was a visit last nite to the local Presbyterian church where we heard a choir sing the adapted works of a woman's choral "orchestra" originally performed during WW2 in Japanese prison camps in Indonesia. The music was traditional Western classics...Bach, Mozart...24 pieces, actually, that one of the women who was a camp organizer and obviously one smart cookie, recalled from earlier London music days and transcribed with the help of a young woman musician interned in the camp who was a graduate of the Royal Academy. The music was painstakingly written out for the ad hoc prison camp choral and then practiced every night for several months until it was finally performed at XMAS 1943 if I remember right. The Japanese were quite taken with the beauty and there is a book about the choir just publised, a memoir written by a Dutch/American woman who was in her early twenties when she and her sisters were interned. It's called SONG OF SURVIVAL. It's an interesting and quick read. We can recommend it and the music too. It has been recorded. I didn't get the CD so I can't provide details. The women were slowly starving to death and by 1944 the choir had disbanded because too many members had died. Still, all the camp survivors agreed that the music was an indisputable morale builder and ultimately life saver. One thing that struck us as we listened. The human voice is such a pitch delicate instrument. The quavers, wavers, modulations and oh so subtle de and retunings were just amazing to listen to in the big vaulted church. We want a choir at our next gig! But we seem to want everything, as you looper designers well know. It did make us think of one of our favorite "ambient" recordings. Thomas Tallis and his motets for 40 voices. We have an old EMI recording (vinyl) that serves as an inspiration. On another note, compositionally, on guitar, we've become quite interested the last couple weeks with "dropping" thirds. Just leaving them out. In the upper chord sets on guitar, this produces a kind of "primistive" dronal/model sound...reminds you of dulcimer music. Check it out. Try doubling roots, leaving sevenths or varionts thereon, but dumping that third. We've always been fans of the "fourth" sound in jazz that the likes of McCoy Tyner has exploited, but this sounds different again. Finally, we had a chance to jam a couple of weeks ago with a harp player (string kind). Beautiful instrument but the range and feedback problems were problematic. Made us ruminate on the deeper philosophical issue of adapting instruments to work with all this electronic gadgetry. While the LOopDoctOrs are quite fond of our solid body guitars, we are disturbed that the the first thing we thought of was telling this woman to get a solid body harp. Sure, the feedback thing would be moot, but are we in danger of eventually all playing the same stringed instrument? Attack and scale are different, but how much do you lose by taking the harp and plugging it for the sake of plugging in? Best, The LOopDoctOrs From ???@??? Fri Jun 20 02:21:42 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 19 22:48:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wewYA-000233-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 22:47:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199706200545.WAA21053@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Subject: Re: EBow Maintenance Tips #1 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 22:43:05 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Klj2eC.A.vwB.Wkhqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 22:47:58 -0700 X-UIDL: 68dd7ee6b31689d9cb66c9dfa7e4f72f > From: Stephen P. Goodman > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: EBow Maintenance Tips #1 > Date: Thursday, June 19, 1997 9:40 PM > (By the way, my web page below now has streaming 28.8 RealAudio!) > > Stephen Goodman * Download The Loop Of The Week and more! > EarthLight Studios * http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios Stephen, I tried to listen to your RealAudio files and I got a "this is not a RealAudio document" error. I'm using Internet Explorer with Windows 95. Paolo From ???@??? Fri Jun 20 02:21:48 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 19 23:59:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wexff-0005Pu-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 23:59:47 -0700 Message-Id: <199706200658.XAA21412@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> From: "Paolo Valladolid" To: Subject: Re: gear schmear, music is best Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 22:49:15 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QIF4lC.A.x5E.Boiqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 23:59:47 -0700 X-UIDL: 230ea3255f81c73b44e4cd49bebb5c66 > Sorry for writing a book. > Steve Cloutier No need to apologize. I always enjoy reading about folks' looping experiences. Paolo From ???@??? Fri Jun 20 02:21:42 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 19 23:53:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wexZ5-0004te-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 23:52:59 -0700 Message-Id: <199706200651.XAA30332@dsp.net> From: "James Reynolds" To: Subject: Re: Recommended Recordings Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 23:45:41 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YUs7XC.A.5bE.Shiqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 23:52:59 -0700 X-UIDL: 65c268795ef30a5fa8399c4d690b6a6f I may have mentioned a couple of these the last time this thread came around... Anyway, I tend to lean towards the deep, dark, textural, groove-based stuff: -- DJ Krush's "Strictly Turntablized" is a must for tweaked-out abstract instrumental hiphop. Sort of East Coast style meets Japan meets Pluto. -- "Zander" is the latest release from Scorn, and features some deep messed-up beats with minimal loop-type sounds fading in and out of the mix. -- Meat Beat Manifesto's latest "Subliminal Sandwich" is INSANELY good. Much more experimental and abstract than previous MBM albums, lots of swirling sonic soup with almost-identifiable ingredients (but not quite) accompanied by neat beats. -- Paul D. Miller's (aka DJ Spooky) "Death in the Light of the Phonograph" is the "soundtrack" from an art exhibition he did. Not many beats on this one, but the looping textures are amazing. Pretty much every sound originates on vinyl, then gets all messed up by Mr. Miller. -- Paul D. Miller's "Viral Sonata" also contains a mind-boggling collection of sonic collages. It lists among its elements "audio translation of human DNA", "20 layers of television static", and "backwards jajouka"... James From ???@??? Fri Jun 20 02:21:53 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 20 00:54:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0weyX3-0007kZ-00; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:54:57 -0700 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:49:36 -0700 (PDT) From: The Man Himself To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recommended Recordings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"3rW6H.A.0GH.nbjqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:54:57 -0700 X-UIDL: c0a73afd20e2747aecb3acf2f22f0f31 On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Dave Trenkel wrote: > One disc I like a lot, and have been meaning to recommend to this list, is > Ned Rothenburg and Paul Dresher's "Opposites Attract", on New Worlds Here's another recommendation for Paul Dresher's work. I saw him several times over the course of my high school years (maybe that explains a few things...!) and was (and remain) very impressed by his work. He was the first person I ever saw who was doing real-time looping of parts in order to build up multi-layered instrumental beds, and as mentioned, he was using modified or custom gear to do the things that we do today with the Big Three. I was particularly struck by a performance art piece he did with Rinde Eckert called _Slow Fire_, which features the aforementioned bits in sort of a Laurie Anderson-ish postmodernist vein (for lack of a less clinical description). --Andre From ???@??? Fri Jun 20 02:21:54 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 20 00:57:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0weyZN-0000DS-00; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:57:21 -0700 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:51:52 -0700 (PDT) From: The Man Himself To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recommended Recordings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"lCRy5.A.U.xdjqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:57:21 -0700 X-UIDL: e620a5a485972115ca1754ed1b49cfab On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Dave Trenkel wrote: > >In the dj spooky vein, I recently got Aphex Twin's new album, titled > >"Richard D. James Album." (that's his real name) > Yeah, I second that. I third that. Just when I was losing faith in the drum 'n bass realm, that disc piqued my interest. Sort of whimsical pseudo-classisist pieces with psychotic drum programming soloing through the whole thing. Not the most obviously loop-based disc, but definitely worth a listen. --Andre From ???@??? Fri Jun 20 02:21:50 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 20 00:47:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0weyPi-00079w-00; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:47:22 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 04:54:25 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Loop dynamics Resent-Message-ID: <"VASvhB.A.slG.qUjqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 00:47:22 -0700 X-UIDL: e4945207ea4e31d9c376b57612a884d8 >It seems that there are two extremes: Pure repetition and pure chaos. As >loopists, we tend towards the pure repetition, but as it has been stated on >this list, this is static and tends to be boring. Many are repeating chaos. Is that a mixture in your sense? >The exciting part (for >me, anyways, is the introduction of a perturbation into pure repetition, >which propagates, and gives a dynamic or chaotic aspect to the music. For >me, Steve Reich was a master at this. He played with slight alterations, >especially in the melody, where he would develop a melody one note at a >time, and then disintegrate the melody one note at a time. Different >melodies would "rise and fall" in parallel, but with different start and >end points. "Music for 18 musicians" and "Music for mallet instruments" are >great examples of this. Often, I have played this music for people, and, >upon first glance, they think it to be repetitive and boring. On the >contrary, I love it because it is continually evolving. Each moment in >time is related to past and future moments, but it is not the same! Like history, repeating, sometimes even regularely (with the planets?) but never the same. >This is what I am trying to work towards. I am just now starting to >explore the possibilities of the NextLoop function on the Echoplex DP. Has >anyone experimented with loading a bunch of really similar loops in there, >then changing between them with Next Loop function, to give the impresssion >of movement, without a drastic change? Has anyone experimented with using >MIDI commands (perhaps driven by a sequencer) to switch between the loops? >Any startling revelations in this area? Also, anyone using interesting >tricks with the feedback pedal to introduce dynamics? If so, please >explain! Good hint! Maybe I was not able to use multiple loops so far, because I was searching for different parts like in compositions. I do long loops out of multiplied medium ones, and then alter each one of the repetition of the medium ones by adding notes or reducing feedback, sometimes even to zero, so that the long loop turns into a coming and going of a nearly repeating thing. Would that be dynamic loops? >(sorry if I reverted back to gear talk, kim...perhaps there is a "loop" >quality to our talks, as well. You did not. We are not talking about gear but about the use of it - very different for me! Matthias From ???@??? Fri Jun 20 02:21:54 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 20 01:14:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0weypl-0000xV-00; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:14:17 -0700 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:08:40 -0700 (PDT) From: The Man Himself To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recommended Recordings In-Reply-To: <199706200009.RAA19828@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"3xrJ8C.A.Qz.etjqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:14:17 -0700 X-UIDL: bf85e43fa56995f677230b828075f6b3 On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Paolo Valladolid wrote: > As far as electronica goes I've purchased > > The Orb - Orblivion > DJ Krush - Meiso > Chemical Brothers - (forgot the title but it's a very recent album, might > even be their current one). > > Please note I am not very knowledgeable in this field, having had a past > life as a guitar-strumming caveman who didn't think much of electronica. ^_^ Mmmm... I'm in the same boat. I guess we'd better hang up our axes, we're all anachronistic dinosaurs facing down our impending extinction at the hands of the sampler-wielding electronicists. (Or so they say...) I'm not gonna sell my guitar for a Roland Groove Box just yet, but I have been checking out some discs in this field myself. IN a nutshell... -- Underworld, _Dubnobasswithmyheadman_ and _Second Toughest In The Infants_. The second one is brilliant, almost a _Close To The Edge_ of techno; one of the most thoroughly musical electronica discs I've heard. But the first one, with the scary name, does very little for me, for some reason, and just doesn't rate on the same level at all, in my opinion. -- Spring Heel Jack, _68 Million Shades_. Love the first track, can't deal with the rest, for some reason. The stuff rarely seems to cohere into more than a collection of samples spliced together in various combinations on a computer; it lacks the musicality that I dig in the aforementioned Underworld album. And the much-vaunted jungle grooves rarely seem to cook up much of an actual groove, in spite of all the spastic frenzy. -- Lamb (self-titled). Any group that opens its album with a jungle tune in 7/4 gets instant points in my book. This is one of what appears to be a great many emerging programmer-plus-female-vocalist combos, but this is some of the best stuff I've heard come out of the genre. Groovier than SHJ, and more subversive and "intelligent" than Sneaker Pimps or Portishead. A few points off for some occasionally maudilin "oh-you've-done-me-wrong" heartbreak lyrics, though the musical onslaught often seems to function as an ironic contrast to that element. -- _Metalheadz Presents Platinum Breakz_. A compilation of jungle artists from Godlie's label. I *really* dislike most of the stuff on here; can't exactly put my finger on why, except to say that most of the guys on here seem intent on milking some half-baked ideas for way too long. Someone here who's better attuned to this stuff, please tell me what I'm missing. (The Photek tune is good, though). --Andre From ???@??? Fri Jun 20 02:21:55 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 20 01:18:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0weytM-0001DX-00; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:18:00 -0700 Message-Id: <6672.199706200815@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 09:15:01 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Re: Recommended Recordings Resent-Message-ID: <"THrBk.A.x9.iwjqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:18:00 -0700 X-UIDL: e961b654b6104859a147a348fce81c4f >One disc I like a lot, and have been meaning to recommend to this list, is >Ned Rothenburg and Paul Dresher's "Opposites Attract", .... > This record was recorded over several years, it started as a duet >project with both of them using a custom 4 track tape looping system >designed by Dresher. Wow! looping for several years - that's dedication! Were they actually playing the whole time, or did they leave the loop running whilst they slept? :) :) I'm listening to The Durutti Column's "Sex & Death" - I don't know if Vini Reilly's looping per se but his works manage to provide such an ambient feel from a Strat and Roland Space Echo that it may be worth a listen for inspiration. Personally, I think it's phenomenal. He also has a guitar/violin duet - my favourite instrument combination. Aside from KC and Ultravox, are there any other guitar/violin groupings out there in this vein? Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Fri Jun 20 02:21:56 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 20 01:25:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wez0p-0001Ye-00; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:25:43 -0700 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:21:42 -0700 (MST) From: Dan Howarth Reply-To: Dan Howarth To: stickwire-l@netcom.com cc: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: FS: StQuadV2,RDS4000,more Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"yzpy_C.A.SVB.X4jqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:25:43 -0700 X-UIDL: 3255e9025ef17e6978736e5bf75742d0 hi folks, i'd like to sell the following gear... Digitech Studio Quad (w/software V.2) six months old: $350 Digitech RDS 4000 digital delay: $100 MidiMan FineTunePro (digital tuner, single space): $100 Juicegoose powerstrip & SKB six-space rack: $100 i'd really like to move the above stuff; the latter three more than the first. Morley wah/volume pedal: $35 Crate BX200 bass preamp/poweramp, Crate 2x12, Carvin 1x15: all for $300 you pay shipping, all available at best offer. i'd like to cash these in order to scale down my rig (size, complexity) and purchase a single footpedal unit (digitech rp-**?). please reply to my address in order to avoid cluttering the list. thanks. **************************************************************** ** Dan Howarth ** ** Classics-History-Music. University of Arizona, Tucson ** ** http://www.u.arizona.edu/~howarth -personal site- ** ** http://www.arts.arizona.edu/mus120 -school project site- ** **************************************************************** From ???@??? Fri Jun 20 02:21:56 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 20 01:26:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wez1z-0001fU-00; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:26:55 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 09:22:21 +0100 Message-ID: <0004A6A8.1424@mail.bl.uk> From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) Subject: Re: recommedations To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"ew71gB.A.6aB.t5jqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:26:55 -0700 X-UIDL: 753f33b3b9f3cfd479574c3e07c7ecba The LOopDoctOrs' discussion of their meeting with a harpist reminded me of the CD "Stanze" (BMG Ricordi 74321 45464 2) composed by LUDOVICO EINAUDI, and performed by Cecilia Chailly on the harp. I'm not sure how `electrified' her harp is, although there does seem to be a great deal of processing taking place - extremely long reverb tails for eg. The over all effect - unintentionally I'm sure - is similar to Michael Hedges, especially (no surprise this) his harp guitar tunes. Very gentle and melodic without slipping into New Ageism. The only electric harp played I've heard (and I cant remember his name but he tours shopping centres throughout the UK) still sounded very harp-like even through a rack of effects, so I dont think there's be a homogenising impact, although I understand the DoctOrs' concerns - a bit like the early 70's when everyone/thing went through wah wah pedals?! David From ???@??? Fri Jun 20 02:21:57 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 20 01:29:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wez4e-0001tB-00; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:29:40 -0700 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:26:13 -0700 (MST) From: Dan Howarth To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recommended Recordings In-Reply-To: <6672.199706200815@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"VhGqiC.A.XrB.m8jqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 01:29:40 -0700 X-UIDL: d1552cff19a903791008dbf1b35f4f88 i know this way off of what y'all were talking about, but i was wandering through the grocery store and noticed 311 on the cover of a new guitar player or something; i read a bit of it and found out that they're actually interested in "exploring" - fine strides from a mellow funk metal rap band from omaha. one guitarist is said to be using a GR30 to trigger an Akai 3000? which also feeds another Roland sound module (JVsomething). the other guitarist talked a lot about vintage fx boxes, etc. still, i'm looking forward to their interpretations of "exploring" - it'll be interesting to see where pop front is going, and how well they're going to begin incorporating our toys. :) **************************************************************** ** Dan Howarth ** ** Classics-History-Music. University of Arizona, Tucson ** ** http://www.u.arizona.edu/~howarth -personal site- ** ** http://www.arts.arizona.edu/mus120 -school project site- ** **************************************************************** From ???@??? Fri Jun 20 10:09:55 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 20 03:29:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wf0wk-00062l-00; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 03:29:38 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 03:10:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: The LoOpDoctOrs scream HELP!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"Svifj.A.FmF.yslqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 03:29:38 -0700 X-UIDL: dbdd5f7247be73a6ed1aa1e45fba17ce At 9:49 PM -0700 6/19/97, mgsam@wave.net wrote: >Thanks for your help, James... > >The 'plex is fine with the old memory in it, but we find it HIGHLY curious >that all four simms were bad. > >Might it not be as simple as "any old 30 pinn > then 120 nano second Simm >will work? We're trying out a three chip simm next. This will cost us $16 >more dollars, but will hopefully get our looper memory enriched. > >Best, >the LoOpDoctOrs Ah, before we go starting a new echoplex rumor and giving me the opportunity to explain repeatedly some other bit of technical minutiae to strangers for several more years of my life, allow me to step in..... In my experience, the echoplex's "simm tolerance" is actually amazingly good. Much better than most computers that I have used. That is why I suspect your simms. My experience has also taught me that simms may all look very similar, but their quality and performance can be all over the place.... And it may not be that all of them are bad. If they are all installed, only one has to be bad to screw things up. That's why you should try swapping in two at a time to try to isolate that. good luck, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Jun 20 10:09:57 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 20 05:08:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wf2U2-0001CZ-00; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:08:06 -0700 Message-Id: <11624.199706201205@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:05:08 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Re: recommedations Resent-Message-ID: <"C12r-D.A.kBB.lInqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:08:06 -0700 X-UIDL: 1c1a1bcb067d31f8da253ebbbf2c5be1 David from Down South said: > The only electric harp played I've heard (and I cant remember his name > but he tours shopping centres throughout the UK) still sounded very > harp-like even through a rack of effects, so I dont think there's be a > homogenising impact, although I understand the DoctOrs' concerns - a > bit like the early 70's when everyone/thing went through wah wah > pedals?! I've heard an electric harp duo - one gut-strung acoustic, one steel-string electric - in Glasgow. They're called Sileas, their homepage is http://www.fb15.uni-dortmund.de/voelker/poozies/sileas.html If you're into interlocking, very tight patterns (a bit like RF) and Celtic music check them out. They are very good. Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Fri Jun 20 10:10:00 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 20 06:47:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wf42K-0004kN-00; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 06:47:36 -0700 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F047D9E@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Links to Ambient oriented stuff... Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 09:45:29 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"6j9fEB.A.LPE.mkoqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 06:47:36 -0700 X-UIDL: 513cfb78f165a8aa7a06aada3a9ad354 Good to be reading about non-gear related topics (this from a likely offender..). Let me add a new thread to our tapestry. Here are a few very cool web-sites for musicians and ambio-loop junkies... Possibly the best ambient record label I'm aware of: http://www.hyperreal.com/music/labels/fax/ THE ELECTRONIC EXPERIMENTAL INDUSTRIAL DJ LIST (part 1) (6/17/96) This list is a resource for DJs and BANDS that play ELECTRONIC/ EXPERIMENTAL MUSIC (including ambient, techno, performance art, goth, noise, & anything remotely chatagorized as INDUSTIAL MUSIC), and people who just want to tune in and find the scene in their area. http://bird.taponline.com/~smishra/djlist The "Ever Expanding Web Music Listing!" Ambient/Techno/Trance/Rave Web Sites - the new wave of electronic music - http://woof.music.columbia.edu/~hauben/music/electronic.html A site for Ambient Style http://www.caipirinha.com/index.html From ???@??? Fri Jun 20 10:10:02 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 20 07:05:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wf4Jv-0005gj-00; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 07:05:47 -0700 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F047DAD@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Loop influencing Music: And here's a few top 10 listings of ambie nt music. Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:04:33 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"C0KZo.A.HLF.a2oqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 07:05:47 -0700 X-UIDL: 30bc17e655ad5b0226d8720b6526e62e As we know, there are lots of loops in ambient music, so here a few Top 10 listings of ambient music. If one of these names is new to you, maybe seeing if on three different top ten lists is a good recommendation? I'll be checking out Erik Satie, as I've always discribed my music as a theater set. Kinda like a stage with furniture on it in which the listener is invited to create their own story by choosing to notice whichever musical elements they care to use. I found these at http://www.fog.com/~erich/HA/index.html David Kirkdorffer I suppose we all have top ten lists in the end. These are the ten pieces/ albums which I consider to be fundamental works in ambient soundscapes. (I tried to list them chronologically) 1.Erik Satie, Musique de ameublement (Furniture Music) 2.John Cage, Imaginary Landscapes #1 3.John Cage, 4:33 4.Tangerine Dream, Electronic Meditation 5.Steve Hillage, Rainbow Dome Muzik 6.Brian Eno, Music for Airports & Music for Films 7.The Orb, Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld 8.Mixmaster Morris, Flying High 9.Aphex Twin, Selected Ambient Works I&II 10.Pete Namlook, Air I&II ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *#1 Here's a list from ambient@umich.edu 1.Music to Films/ FAX 2.Briano Eno/ Thursday Afternoon/ EG 3.Mission into Drums/ Planet Earth 4.Soul Whirling Somewhere/ Eating The Sea/ Projekt 5.Aphex Twin/ Sel. Amb. Works Vol.2/ Sire/Warner 6.Silence/ Omid/Hope/ FAX 7.Vapour Space 8.Vidna Obmana/ Projekt 9.Banco De Gaia/ Sheesha/ Beyond 10.2350 Broadway/ 2/ FAX ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *#2 Here's a list from aedCCS@hamp.hampshire.edu 1.Terre Thaemlitz: Tranquilizer 2.Air I & II 3.Silence I & II (esp. II) 4.Muslimgauze: Blue Mosque 5.Robert Fripp/Brian Eno: Evening Star 6.Jon Hassell/Brian Eno: Fourth World Vol. 1 - Possible Musics 7.Harold Budd/Brian Eno: The Plateaux of Mirror 8.Brian Eno: Music For Films 9.Tangerine Dream: Ricochet 10.Psychic T.V. - Kondole 1,2, & 3 From ???@??? Thu Jun 19 18:47:15 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 19 13:12:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wenYz-00025u-00; Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:12:13 -0700 Message-ID: <33AA9D41.7E03@erols.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:09:53 +0000 From: Michael Preston Reply-To: michpres@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: gear schmear, music is best References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_Wa0cD.A.kxB.BIZqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:12:13 -0700 X-UIDL: 2242193e54f78100e396c6a48582e517 Dave wrote: > There's a good ethnomusicological study on theis music, called "Soul of the > M'bira", sorry, but I can't remember the author right now, that goes deeply > into the music and it's cultural/spiritual meanings. Very interesting > stuff! The book "The Soul of Mbira" was researched and written by Paul Berliner, and was published by the university of Chicago Press, 1993. There is also a sort of accompanying CD, titled "Zimbabwe: The Soul of Mbira" on Nonesuch,1995 (originally released in 1973: Nonesuch H-72054). Excellent reading and listening! Dave, thanks for posting on your marimba experiences. I heard (and danced to!) Dumi and Balafon many times when I lived in Portland, OR. But, I'm sorry I never got to hear Balafon when you were a member of the band. I have made several mbiras over the years, amplifying some with piezo pickups. My favorite Mbira lately has been one I made with bamboo keys. The bamboo was a suggestion from Matthias. (thanks again Matthias!) I'm currently working on a tandem model for two facing players. Dave, have you made any acid/ambient/trip/hip/hop/jazz recordings with your marimba and mbira, and your Zimbabwean sensibilities? A synthesis of that sort would surely sound great to my ears. Jim, thanks for asking about mbira. Anyone else use 'em? make 'em? Any recipes out there? Preston From ???@??? Sat Jun 21 01:37:40 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 20 10:21:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wf7N1-0001Mx-00; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:21:11 -0700 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199706201718.KAA23946@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Recommended Recordings To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:18:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Dan Howarth" at Jun 20, 97 01:26:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"BQzIY.A.OEB.Ttrqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:21:11 -0700 X-UIDL: 6ae3fb8dc6303aedc9ee1b26aaeefdb2 > i know this way off of what y'all were talking about, but i was wandering > through the grocery store and noticed 311 on the cover of a new guitar > player or something; i read a bit of it and found out that they're > actually interested in "exploring" - fine strides from a mellow funk metal > rap band from omaha. one guitarist is said to be using a GR30 to trigger > an Akai 3000? which also feeds another Roland sound module (JVsomething). > the other guitarist talked a lot about vintage fx boxes, etc. > still, i'm looking forward to their interpretations of "exploring" - it'll > be interesting to see where pop front is going, and how well they're going > to begin incorporating our toys. :) Recent Guitar Player issues seem to indicate more and more guitarists are becoming interested in exploring ambient music. The appearance of David Torn's looping article was very well timed. ^_^ Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Sat Jun 21 01:37:41 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 20 10:25:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wf7Qx-0001gN-00; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:25:15 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 14:31:21 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Lamelophones Resent-Message-ID: <"wLBLw.A.GbB.6xrqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 10:25:15 -0700 X-UIDL: c0e815e76dff9206d82a6bd5b19a1f14 I am actually playing loops daily with Bira Reis and he uses M'bira a lot and it works great! He keeps showing me books, pictures and original Lamelophones (this is the scientific name, include the localy named M'bira, Calimba, Sanza, Kissange...). The class is called like "digitized Idiophones". An impressive variation in material, size and use. Some have a gourd as resonator. Yesterday (!) he appeared with a italian pianist who plays and collects these instruments, too, and we looped them all. :-0 Impressive how strongly Lamelophones suggest loop music by the sound, the manipulation, I dont know, I just see anyone grabing them soon fall into some slightly changing pattern. Bira sais they were made for long distance walks! >I have made several mbiras over the years, amplifying some with piezo >pickups. My favorite Mbira lately has been one I made with bamboo keys. >The bamboo was a suggestion from Matthias. (thanks again Matthias!) I'm >currently working on a tandem model for two facing players. Oh, thats not me, bambo is strongly present. It seams all Lamelophones usualy are played by the thumbs. But I have a friend in Rio, Chandra, who plays them incredibly with four fingers! The instrument is not very ergonomical, due to the accoustic needs (yes they had that problem before "gear" came up!) I think it could be improved a lot once its picked up by a bridge piezo pick up. Is that what you used, Preston? Coincidentally, today I will receive the first prototype of a bridge to mount piezos in a traditional Kalimba. This is a 3 years old dream. Nothing really complicated, but until you find a mechanics and the tool... you know. Once everyone hears that the sound is fuller when solid body, we can create new forms of the instrument, add weight near the end of the laminas to create bass notes, arrange the laminas in a way that all fingers can get involved in a relaxed position. I see the surfaces for the two hands separate and angled... here I need pen and paper and sit together... ... I hope so far you got the message about the very oldest loop instrument that can become the most modern and handy one! Matthias From ???@??? Fri Jun 20 10:10:04 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 20 08:58:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wf65C-0003cq-00; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 08:58:42 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 20 Jun 1997 10:56:41 -0700 From: "Hartnett, Travis" Subject: FS: Vortex $125 To: "Loopers Delight postings" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.0.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"wp-AvD.A.4ID.Kgqqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 08:58:42 -0700 X-UIDL: 32a727384963e9f9b9510d3fa8cbda20 from Harmony Central: Lexicon Vortex Processor $125 Asking Price: US$125 Condition: Mint Age: 10 months Description: Lexicon Vortex effects processor. Like new. Footswitch. $125.00 Seller: david mason, E-mail: david@sonicsys.com Location: SUNNYVALE, CA Post Date: 6/18/97 From ???@??? Sat Jun 21 01:37:43 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 20 11:08:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wf86b-0004eO-00; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:08:17 -0700 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:03:55 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: The LoOpDoctOrs scream HELP!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"2qjFoC.A.QHE.UZsqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:08:17 -0700 X-UIDL: 8eb60057e9f83255c794261d99e107b6 Kim: On the bad simm trail...We tried swapping and recombining and re-pairing the little green buggers, in a DNA/amoeba like way, or thought of differently -- as lawn chair producers of a backyard computer porn epic. Didn't work. These simms were definitly not of the recombient ilk. We do take your caveat about "one being" bad making the rest of the 'plex go bonkers seriously, because the 'plex was definitly acting like it had inhaled too much car exhaust. Rumor mongering? Not our intent. The LoOpDoctOrs "soul" purpose in life is to explicate the content of the universe. But we do appreciate and admire your ever supportive and highly intelligent feedback. You are a gift to us all. Best, The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Sat Jun 21 01:37:49 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 20 11:22:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wf8KT-0005fO-00; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:22:37 -0700 Message-ID: <33AACBCF.4CAA@dmans.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:28:31 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: gear schmear, music is best --> Loop dynamics References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"M_q1_B.A.sGF.Wnsqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:22:37 -0700 X-UIDL: 5aa8202e3942e8b70a16943fa0655e8f Chris Chovit wrote: > It seems that there are two extremes: Pure repetition and pure chaos. I have one solo electric guitar tune that starts with repetition and progresses to chaos. I start by recording a very simple E riff on my Boomerang, then layer the same part an octave up, then layer a chord pattern based on Em7. I play the melody or hook mixed with some soloing over this. All pretty straight so far. Then I start adding parts that are at first harmonically complimentary, but I ocaissionally slip in a flatted 5th or the major scale 7th - very dissonant. Over time I add more clashing notes and progress to adding noises: racking pick over strings, playing above the nut, vibrato effects, etc. Finally I reverse playback direction on the noise symphony and fade to black. If I've done it well, the transition from heavy but melodic tune to industrial mayhem is very smooth and interesting. Another technique I use that makes for some interesting creations is this. Play a very long scale based riff - essentially attempt to play a good melody line. Then play this back in reverse. It seems to be the case that if a melody sounds pleasing forward, it will probably sound good in reverse. Now the challenging part. I compose an accompaniment that supports the reverse melody. The choice of chords, inversions, etc. really affects the mood of the composition. Just some ideas to try... Motley From ???@??? Sat Jun 21 01:37:50 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 20 11:28:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wf8QK-00068w-00; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:28:40 -0700 Message-ID: <33AACD3B.1379@dmans.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:34:35 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@dmans.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: terminology help References: <33A97CE3.2041@interaccess.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"cZWW2B.A.KkF.Btsqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:28:40 -0700 X-UIDL: d74bf9c14bd5eaad7f61488e4736d3cc Jim Coker wrote: > Anyone familiar with African M'bira music? A friend of mine > just introduced it to me. Very nice ostinato-based. The notes > are in patterns of 3, but the accompanying shaker beat is > in 2. Can someone provide clear definitions of ostinato and legato, especially as they would apply to guitar. Being a 'street' musician I don't know the meaning of many musical terms. Thanks for the primer. Motley From ???@??? Sat Jun 21 01:37:52 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 20 13:34:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wfAOF-0006sm-00; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:34:39 -0700 Message-ID: <33AAFCE8.2EFA@cyberportal.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 14:58:00 -0700 From: rick canton Organization: kaynar ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The LoOpDoctOrs scream HELP!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XnvJxD.A.CRG.6iuqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:34:39 -0700 X-UIDL: e5feb74ae0b85e8efaec67ee69c52467 mgsam@wave.net wrote: > > Kim: > > On the bad simm trail...We tried swapping and recombining and re-pairing > the little green buggers, in a DNA/amoeba like way, or thought of > differently -- as lawn chair producers of a backyard computer porn epic. > Didn't work. These simms were definitly not of the recombient ilk. > > We do take your caveat about "one being" bad making the rest of the 'plex > go bonkers seriously, because the 'plex was definitly acting like it had > inhaled too much car exhaust. > > Rumor mongering? Not our intent. The LoOpDoctOrs "soul" purpose in life > is to explicate the content of the universe. > > But we do appreciate and admire your ever supportive and highly intelligent > feedback. You are a gift to us all. > > Best, > The LoOpDoctOrs mgsam@wave.net wrote: > > Kim: > > On the bad simm trail...We tried swapping and recombining and re-pairing > the little green buggers, in a DNA/amoeba like way, or thought of > differently -- as lawn chair producers of a backyard computer porn epic. > Didn't work. These simms were definitly not of the recombient ilk. > > We do take your caveat about "one being" bad making the rest of the 'plex > go bonkers seriously, because the 'plex was definitly acting like it had > inhaled too much car exhaust. > mgsam@wave.net wrote: > > Kim: > > On the bad simm trail...We tried swapping and recombining and re-pairing > the little green buggers, in a DNA/amoeba like way, or thought of > differently -- as lawn chair producers of a backyard computer porn epic. > Didn't work. These simms were definitly not of the recombient ilk. > > We do take your caveat about "one being" bad making the rest of the 'plex > go bonkers seriously, because the 'plex was definitly acting like it had > inhaled too much car exhaust. > > Rumor mongering? Not our intent. The LoOpDoctOrs "soul" purpose in life > is to explicate the content of the universe. > > But we do appreciate and admire your ever supportive and highly intelligent > feedback. You are a gift to us all. > > Best, > The LoOpDoctOrs > But we do appreciate and admire your ever supportive and highly intelligent > feedback. You are a gift to us all. > > Best, > The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Sat Jun 21 01:37:53 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 20 14:28:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wfBE0-0002Ul-00; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 14:28:08 -0700 Message-ID: <33AB09BE.7659@cyberportal.net> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:52:46 -0700 From: rick canton Organization: kaynar ent. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: plex fading problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"sNlAiD.A.VKC.wVvqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 14:28:08 -0700 X-UIDL: cfafc6d232536ea5c2401f1b5930e1ca to kim or someone who knows, i have two plex`s w/ 198 sec each , synched . if i loop anything , weather its 1 second or more , one of my plex starts to fade slowly after about 5 minutes of repeating the loop. both units have the feedback knob cranked .... the other stays strong.... whats up? is it the memory? the feetback pot? thanks, rick From ???@??? Sat Jun 21 01:38:02 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 20 16:59:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wfDaT-0003pd-00; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:59:29 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970621000909.0069a874@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com> X-Sender: cavaleri@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:09:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joe Cavaleri Subject: Recommended Music Resent-Message-ID: <"i7e47D.A.IdD.wjxqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:59:29 -0700 X-UIDL: bf9ae89bf70d502aa1ef4ea70e9e2913 Hi all, Here are some artists that might be of interest.. Artist CD Title Ben Neil Triptycal Ambient trumpet/effects Jon Hassell Power Spot Laurie Anderson Big Science Michael Brook Live at the aquarium Djam Karet Suspension + Displacement Susan Deiham & Richard Herowitz Desert Equations Steve Tibbits Exploded View Terje Rapdal If mountains could sing Some of the most "musical" ring modulated sounds I've heard. Hope you all get a chance to hear some of these recordings. Bye for now From ???@??? Sat Jun 21 01:38:00 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 20 16:20:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wfCyx-0001M7-00; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:20:43 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:20:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: The LoOpDoctOrs scream HELP!!! Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"MDZm4D.A.9FB.L_wqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:20:43 -0700 X-UIDL: 9a959c6e83ec723cd3134132521503c1 At 11:03 AM 6/20/97, mgsam@wave.net wrote: >differently -- as lawn chair producers of a backyard computer porn epic. Hmm, after spending the day mucking around in the guts of a powermac 8500, this makes me feel a bit sleazy. Like the twin gynecologists in Cronenberg's Dead Ringers... ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Sat Jun 21 01:38:02 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 20 17:42:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wfEFh-0005uM-00; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:42:05 -0700 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 20:38:35 -0400 (EDT) From: PainPete@aol.com Message-ID: <970620203835_-1898141669@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Recommended Recordings Resent-Message-ID: <"WuNtvD.A.0UF.KLyqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:42:05 -0700 X-UIDL: c5d3020259e1718fe2355a30902fbd77 Anyone have any reactions to the band "Zoviet France"? They have a zillion albums out of varying quality, but they seem to be dedicated loopers in that "creepy and scary" non-groove, non-beat related way. My personal opinion is that they alternate between awesomeness/mediocrity, but as a band they are undeniably interesting. My personal favorite ZF is a live album called "Vienna, 1990" (Anyone know what gear they are using? The newer stuff sounds like cheap found sounds put through a high-end Lexicon reverb). Pete In a message dated 97-06-20 01:26:27 EDT, you write: << Subj: Recommended Recordings Date: 97-06-20 01:26:27 EDT From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) Resent-from: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com ('Loopers Delight') Earlier this year there was a long thread of posts about recordings that loopers requested. What new recordings do you recommend? (I really enjoyed learning about DJ Spooky from the last thread of posts.) Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com >> From ???@??? Sat Jun 21 01:38:03 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 20 17:42:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wfEFp-0005uu-00; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:42:13 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 21:48:34 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: interactive loops Resent-Message-ID: <"wAHCSC.A.3WF.ZLyqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:42:13 -0700 X-UIDL: f0bda6c77c56020f70aacfa4f6d87617 Thanks, UFO, I think I understood: Non interactive (base) loops are the long ones, the fundament that continues rolling, while interactive loops serve for short time colouring or superposing. Since the interactive ones are short and disappear rather soon, you do not have to care about syncing them with the base loop. Right? Matthias From ???@??? Sat Jun 21 01:38:04 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 20 17:45:06 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wfEIa-0006Cm-00; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:45:04 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 21:51:14 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: "exciting e-bow effect", etc. Resent-Message-ID: <"a-_nFB.A.-kF.8Nyqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:45:04 -0700 X-UIDL: 1d7d3d6669f65c96013edc6ec656631c >- "The problem with this effect is it is short lived. Unless >you can change at lot of almost dead batteries quickly?" > >- put a pot on it? Right Fred! Maybe rather a switch and a voltage stabilizer, a resistor will reduce current while the battery probably looses tension only. I may be wrong. Someone with a scope to look at the tension of a low battery in a Ebow? Matthias From ???@??? Sat Jun 21 01:38:06 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 20 21:00:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wfHLx-00076t-00; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 21:00:45 -0700 From: sarajane@tmbsbbs.com (Sarajane) Subject: more recommended listening... Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 00:57:05 GMT Message-Id: <970620220006276@tmbsbbs.com> Organization: The Malibu Bikini Shop BBS - 303.772.8549 - 28.8 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"llMG5B.A.yiG.GG1qz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 21:00:45 -0700 X-UIDL: f6c05119544be677223cd23d65cc0b27 I'm glad to see the recent posts concerning favorite loopish music. The following are some of my dated, but sincere choices of mostly ambient listenings, featuring repetitive or textural motifs of note 1. Walter-Wendy Carlos/ Sonic Seasonings--- 1972 Columbia Four sides(seasons) of vinyl virtuality via electronic tweakings. 2. Henry Wolff & Nancy Hennings/ Tibetan Bells-----1973 Antilles The true ringing in ones ears, if one could hear it. 3. Philip Glass/ Music in Twelve Parts Parts 1&2----1974 Virgin IMHO...the best Glass. Saw him with ensemble live in 1980 in a small room at the Cincinnatti Museum of Contemporary Art...loud and proud minimalism it was. 4. Neil Ardley/ Kaleidoscope of Rainbows---1976 Gull Actually about as ambient as Sketches of Spain, but to me more like a quasi-big band minimalistic excursion, worth the listen. 5. Jan Garabek/Dis----1977 ECM Ralph Towner and a beautiful Aeolian harp help make this a one of a kind collection of pieces. 6. Steve Hillage/ Rainbow Dome Musick---1979 Virgin Although mentioned on the list recently, this recording warrants further acknowedgement for its pioneering vision and tonality. 7. Gavin Bryars/ Hommages---1981 Les Disques du Crepuscle With the exception of the short piece that ends side one, this is a wonderfully delicate recording with an acoustic ambience that is not often heard. 8. Brian Eno/ Ambient 4 On Land-----1982 EG A collection of almost organicly industrial atmospheres not unlike urban landscapes at 3 in the morning. 9. Brian Eno/ Thursday Afternoon---1985 EG A single 61 minute work that defines certain aspects of modern ambient music better than any other work I've ever heard. 10. Scott Johnson/ John Somebody-----1985 Nonsuch? O.K. so again it's not ambient , but the looping and playing here is solidly ahead of the overall curve of music utilizing signal regeneration as a tool in composition. In addition to these there are a lot of individual tracks from various other recordings that I'll have to compile later, but that's enough of me for now, hope you get a chance to hear some of the above selections. Loop on........ Bryan Helm "You couldn't tune a kazoo, Servo!" Crow T. Robot From ???@??? Sat Jun 21 01:38:06 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 20 19:36:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wfG2E-0003cP-00; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 19:36:18 -0700 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 19:30:23 -0700 (PDT) From: The Man Himself To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: terminology help In-Reply-To: <33AACD3B.1379@dmans.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"_8gL7D.A.vPD.X2zqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 19:36:18 -0700 X-UIDL: 2a805b28da9da2ef0ebf79baa39662b0 On Fri, 20 Jun 1997, Mikell D. Nelson wrote: > Can someone provide clear definitions of ostinato and legato, > especially as they would apply to guitar. Being a 'street' musician I > don't know the meaning of many musical terms. Thanks for the primer. An ostinato is essentially a repeated figure or phrase, particularly with regards to the rhythmic element. Just about any loop could probably be classified as an ostinato figure of some kind or another. Legato refers to a type of phrasing, employing a very smooth and sustained articulation between notes. Allan Holdsworth's "school" of playing is often referred to as the "legato technique," due largely to its very smooth, horn-like quality. The opposite of this is stacatto, which deals with much shorter note durations and a more percussive, "clipped" sense of articulation. Al DiMeola might be a good example of this for guitar; flamenco guitar phrasing is generally very stacatto as well, with its bursts and flurries of activity. Hope this is helpful, --Andre From ???@??? Sat Jun 21 01:38:05 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 20 18:54:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wfFNe-0001s9-00; Fri, 20 Jun 1997 18:54:22 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 18:53:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Recommended Recordings Resent-Message-ID: <"kmazc.A.rhB.mOzqz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 18:54:22 -0700 X-UIDL: cf9e238b4ba7ba5c50e2aa4ac38d2a7d >Anyone have any reactions to the band "Zoviet France"? They have a zillion >albums out of varying quality, but they seem to be dedicated loopers in that >"creepy and scary" non-groove, non-beat related way. My personal opinion is >that they alternate between awesomeness/mediocrity, but as a band they are >undeniably interesting. > >My personal favorite ZF is a live album called "Vienna, 1990" > >(Anyone know what gear they are using? The newer stuff sounds like cheap >found sounds put through a high-end Lexicon reverb). > >Pete I listened to a lot of Zoviet France a few years ago, and Vienna 1990 was my favorite also, the only disc of theirs I still own. I completely agree with your assesment of their sound, amazing what a really great 'verb can do. I undeerstand that one of the members now does more traditional ambient techno under the name Rapoon, haven't heard them but have heard good things about them. Another interesting band in a similar vein is P16.D4, a German group from the early 80s. I have a CD called "Kuhe in 1/2 Trauer" which evidently compiles much of their output from 80-83. Very compelling, dark music-concrete, with some very cool analog tape loops. Lo-fi, but with a sophisticated esthetic. Also, German composer Bernhard Guntherr does some very interesting stuff with samples of very small quiet sounds time-streched, pitch-shifted and looped into longer pieces. I attended an informal "performance" of his last year, it was him playing his CD's while talking about the pieces, answering questions, etc. His music is extremely "difficult" often acting at the very edge of audibility (is that a word?), and I'm not sure I would have gotten to appreciate it without hearing him explain it, but I do like his records. One piece uses a pine cone as the source-sounds, plucking the leaves very close to a mic, and sampling the output. His goal is to have the sounds work on a very purely textural level, and he'd prefer that his listeners not be trying to "guess the sample". Interesting guy, very affable and friendly considering how difficult and foreboding his music is. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Sat Jun 21 01:38:11 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 21 01:05:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wfLAm-0007JO-00; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 01:05:28 -0700 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 04:01:33 -0400 (EDT) From: BobbyZZZ@aol.com Message-ID: <970621040132_644451004@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: LVX NOVA on tour late july/early august Resent-Message-ID: <"TaKwAB.A.BuG.aq4qz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 01:05:28 -0700 X-UIDL: 5e63a185362f16ec4cbb235ce7090f12 hi all ;-) yes, we will be subjecting ourselves to roadgigs from 7/28 through 8/4 from boston, DC, atlanta, new york, chapel hill and raleigh....anyone want to do some shows??? bobby d/lvx nova http://www.sar.usf.edu/~devito "LVX NOVA" the CD out July 15th worldwide on MIRAMAR/BMG, check it out :-) From ???@??? Sat Jun 21 03:07:44 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 21 02:29:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wfMTd-0001qg-00; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 02:29:01 -0700 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 02:23:56 -0700 (PDT) From: The Man Himself To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: LVX NOVA on tour/West Coast gigs update In-Reply-To: <970621040132_644451004@emout20.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"IEcOH.A.FpB.D65qz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 02:29:01 -0700 X-UIDL: a0208d6158b52288d80faf54ed11164d On Sat, 21 Jun 1997 BobbyZZZ@aol.com wrote: > hi all ;-) > yes, we will be subjecting ourselves to roadgigs from 7/28 through 8/4 from > boston, DC, atlanta, new york, chapel hill and raleigh....anyone want to do > some shows??? > bobby d/lvx nova I'd love to check you guys out or offer myself up as an opening sacrifice (if that is indeed what you're referring to in the above message), but right now I think the localles you mentioned above are a bit far of a commute from LA. Please keep us up to date as far as if and when you might be out here, and let us know how the East Coast gigs go. I'm still hoping to get some performances underway along the West Coast in the very near future. The invitation from the Loopdoctors to share a coffeehouse bill remains very interesting to me, and I'd like to take them up on the offer soon; hopefully I can arrange something in the Bay Area within a day or two of their usual time (is it still the second Friday of every month?) in order to maximize the trip north. I've spoken to other people on this list about trying to arrange other regional concerts around the West Coast; there are some possibilities looming here in LA, as well as San Diego and Oregon. These would ideally be joint gigs, featuring myself and regional loopists playing both solo and in tandem. Now that I'm out of school and staring down the great gaping "NOW WHAT?!?!", the time seems ripe to push for these shows. I'm also seriously contemplating trying to land some gigs at techno clubs; I don't anticipate the more resolutely anti-rock elements of electronica culture welcoming a guitarist into their ranks with open arms (though I'd love to be proven wrong), but I think it can work, if I'm given a chance to try. I have a feeling that the current mainstream media infatuation with electronic music can help make our own efforts more palatable to people who might otherwise turn a deaf ear to the idea. Maybe I'll drag my drum machine along and sync the Echoplex up to it (or the other way around!) At any rate, if anyone on this list is interested in helping to organize and participate in some live shows along the West Coast, and particularly in the SoCal area, mail me back and we'll try and get the ball rolling. I know things have been very sluggish thus far, but I'm now ready and able to start organizing things in a serious way. In the immediate future, I'm going to check out Lumpy Gravy here in LA, which is a fairly new restaurant/gallery/performance space. I plan to inquire about doing some solo gigs, and if they prove receptive to the idea (and if the place proves a good venue), it might be an ideal localle for the much-discussed West Coast summit. Keep your fingers crossed, --Andre From ???@??? Sat Jun 21 03:07:46 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 21 02:57:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wfMvL-000320-00; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 02:57:39 -0700 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 05:54:24 -0400 From: Michael Peters Subject: FW: Hiya looper ! To: "'Looper's Delight'" Message-ID: <199706210554_MC2-18E5-59CF@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"sZjkVB.A.SpC.dU6qz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 02:57:39 -0700 X-UIDL: b6ca2bdf8b17d47f96ce8b6ca04b99cb can anyone help Remy? please, don't reply to me (Michael Peters) but to the address in the footer. -----Original Message----- From: "Laurent & Sophie Martinez" Sent: Saturday, June 21, 1997 12:42 AM Subject: Hiya looper ! Hello from Nice, French Riviera ! My cousin is a percussions player. He have no access to Internet. He uses my Email to write to you the following letter. I translated it from french, so I apologize in advance for my english that is not as good as I would want ! (c; If you ever want to answer his question, use my email : lofie@worldnet.fr Thanx for him ! ------------ What a good surprise it was to find the Looper's Delight Site ! It gave me hope in what I'm trying to do. Here is what I wanna do, I wish you'll be able to help me. In January 96, I bought the KORG WaveDrum which is a wonderfull electronic percussion instrument. Now, I need to be able to use the WaveDrum to get, in real time, rhythm loops that I'd like to add or to superpose the one on the other in order to perform musical sets for an audience. I already did it using the Cubase music software on a computer. But that needs too much handling. So I just bought a JAMMAN which I save loops with, then I use an OBERHEIM to change the features of the loops (LFO, CutOff, ...etc). My problem is that I can't (or don't know how to) part each loop that I saved and modify the features (LFO, CutOff...etc) of each one separately. Could you help me in any way ? Thanx a lot in advance ! Remy HULNE ------------------ Laurent MARTINEZ for Remy HULNE ==================================== lofie@worldnet.fr http://www.worldnet.fr/~lofie/ ==================================== From ???@??? Sat Jun 21 03:07:46 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 21 02:57:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wfMvP-00032Z-00; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 02:57:43 -0700 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 05:54:27 -0400 From: Michael Peters Subject: who puts together all those recommendations? To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199706210554_MC2-18E5-59D0@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"7yyCzB.A.WqC.jU6qz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 02:57:44 -0700 X-UIDL: 0fb38427832a2d5a2f55fef240ba594d Wow, so many interesting music recommendations. (My record dealer is already salivating thinking of my money.) I think all those listening recommendations should somehow be saved, collected, and included on our loopology webpage. But ... I don't have the time to do the collecting. Any volunteers? I could, as usual, do the formatting. And here's my recommendation for the day: Michel Redolfi: DETOURS mirage musical records mm303 (I found this at Amoeba Music in Berkeley which is a very good store) Detours is a sampler of Michel's computer generated ambient music. Do listen to this if you're into vast and strange sound worlds which will open up your brain and make your jaw drop. This guy is incredible. If you like this record, there are some more. The last piece (Too Much Sky): "A few harp phrases played by Melissa Morgan in 1981 were digitally 'stretched'; this process was used on the piece in several studios over the next five years. An alchemical transformation of the initial arpeggios into an harmonic veil." ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm Support the Warr Guitar Defense Fund http://home.earthlink.net/~greendog/warrfund.html From ???@??? Sat Jun 21 11:26:00 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 21 03:13:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wfNAd-0003Tt-00; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 03:13:27 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33AB09BE.7659@cyberportal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 02:55:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: plex fading problem Resent-Message-ID: <"rf_vfB.A.mLD.qj6qz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 03:13:27 -0700 X-UIDL: 6e6842953e0df99339304df497cc94d7 At 3:52 PM -0700 6/20/97, rick canton wrote: >to kim or someone who knows, >i have two plex`s w/ 198 sec each , synched . >if i loop anything , weather its 1 second or more , >one of my plex starts to fade slowly after about 5 minutes of repeating >the loop. both units have the feedback knob cranked .... >the other stays strong.... >whats up? is it the memory? the feetback pot? >thanks, >rick There is a bug which causes that problem, which I hope will soon be fixed... Basically, the master sets the feedback slightly down in the slave with a wrong continuous controller command. And the slave loop very slowly fades out. There is a simple workaround until the software fix is done. If you set the feedback continuous controller to a different one on the slave than the master, it should be fine. You do that with the parameter called "FeedBkCont." If you never adjust feedback. you are done. If you want feedback control of both units your best bet is a midi expression pedal, sending on both continous controllers. Another reasonable option is to use a stereo volume pedal plugged into both feedback pedal jacks. hope this helps, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Jun 21 11:44:19 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 21 11:47:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wfVBa-00028X-00; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 11:46:58 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 11:39:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: loopers software Resent-Message-ID: <"KgIIuC.A.O2B.OECrz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 11:46:58 -0700 X-UIDL: e0309233d12d012cf857bb3d075075f1 Can any of you help this fellow? reply directly to him, he's not on the list. thanks, kim >>From kflint Thu Jun 19 04:58:16 1997 >Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 20:02:56 +0800 >From: ociv >Reply-To: nikhail@asiaonline.net >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: kflint@annihilist.com >Subject: loopers software >X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > >hi, how y'all doing. > >well let me introduce myself. > >i'm ricky and my d.j. name is crazy v. and i do alot of re-mixing for my >own pleasure. hoping i can meet or be with the great re-mixers in the >world like bomb the bass, c&c..etc. >my main question is i just recently got a notebook and my friends told >me you can do alot with a p.c. so i wondered if you know of a looping >software which i can edit and then loop whatever i want and also does it >come in with digital mixer like a 4 track or a 8 track. >please if i can find this i will be really obliged. > >thanks in the meantime. hope you can help me. > >yours faithfully....the loop man >crazy v > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Jun 21 12:14:30 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 21 12:17:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wfVfT-0003Bz-00; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 12:17:51 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 12:11:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: The LOopDoctOrs calm down... Resent-Message-ID: <"wkeVRD.A.N3C.6hCrz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/472 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 12:17:51 -0700 X-UIDL: d2bad58725992c6665c827dda74e75df At 12:44 AM -0700 6/19/97, mgsam@wave.net wrote: >Incidentally, now that I have the thing open, I am going to attempt the pin >cut mod and the gain mod. Do you have any favorite tools for the pin cut >mod? I notice the #5 pin is a very tight squeeze. good pair of electronics cutters? x-acto knife? I'm probably not a good person to ask, not being an electronics tech. When I go in the lab these days, technicians go out of their way to help me with soldering and what not. It's not so much cause I'm a nice guy and they want to help, but because it's a lot less work to do it for me upfront than fix everything I break later...;-) >And are you simply desoldering and resoldering the resistors to modify the >gain, or are you clipping them out and then soldering in? The right way would involve removing the pcb, desoldering, etc. That's a pain, so the way I would do it is to apply the iron to the lead on the top side of the board, and yank it out with a needle nose when the solder melts. (same with the other lead) Then I'd stick in the new resistor and solder it from the top. The holes are plated through, and usually there's enough of the plating exposed to get the heat on it. clipping them out seems like a bad method, because the little bit of metal left in there is likely to fall through and bang around inside forever. Again, I'm probably not the best source of advice on such matters..... > >Best, >Kevin ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Jun 21 12:33:09 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 21 12:33:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wfVuw-0003im-00; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 12:33:50 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9706161300.AA11767@beryllium.lexicon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 12:27:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: RE: jam man questions Resent-Message-ID: <"0B-kLD.A.CZD.4wCrz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/473 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 12:33:50 -0700 X-UIDL: e0b51aafded69db34941c17a309068fc At 9:51 AM -0400 6/16/97, Sellon, Bob wrote: >As a side note, the output of the JamMan was specially designed with >sufficient drive capability to power 600 ohm headphones for private >looping. This feature was not listed on the web site or the A-B >comparisons with other products. > >Bob Sellon >Lexicon/Stec Hey that's interesting. Any jamman features like that you (or Jon, or Greg, or anyone else) want to add to the jamman/echoplex comparison on the web page, please let me know. That sheet is sort of biased, since Matthias and I wrote it. It serves a nice purpose in minimizing the number of times we have to answer the "what's the difference between the echoplex and jamman?" question. I guess it would be nice to include all the other loop devices out there in the comparison page as well. Anyone feeling up to a project like that? I have no time for it at all, but I think it would be very useful to people. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Jun 21 15:34:12 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 21 14:49:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wfY2N-0007ZG-00; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 14:49:39 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 14:43:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: re:jamman unlimited loop memory trick Resent-Message-ID: <"S5ZPZC.A.Z_G.TwErz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/474 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 14:49:39 -0700 X-UIDL: 5a8d93b5a12b8dcf5507a4a6b2d8e96a This guy sent me a jamman trick, some of you may be interested.... kim >>From kflint Sun Jun 8 07:19:54 1997 >Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 10:18:53 -0400 (EDT) >From: ZeplinSoup@aol.com >To: kflint@annihilist.com >Subject: re:jamman unlimited loop memory trick > >i didnot see anything on the site about this so here it goes.... >use a midi sequencer to send a patch change at a specific tempo at the >beginning and end of your midi measures as defined on the jamman...use >phrased loops...so you know now how many measures it lasts and the >tempo..record yer loops and when you start to run out of space regarding >jamman memory then you simply record a loop that you are happy with to the >computer and then record over that loop# in the jamman for your extended loop >time....repeat add nauseum ....i use cakewalk so it is very easy(if you know >the tempo) to move the loops around in any order..you can now record as many >loops as you like for a song and not be limited to midi loop size(you can >vary the loop size while keeping the tempo the same=mixing 4 midi beat loops >with 3 beat loops at the same tempo with seemless operation if you wish or >any other combination)and you will have unlimited buse of the jamman >memory!!! > >lemme know whacha think, >Reeve > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Jun 21 20:55:23 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 21 15:40:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wfYpH-0001Dh-00; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 15:40:11 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 15:19:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: gear schmear, music is best --> Loop dynamics Resent-Message-ID: <"G_AFsD.A.G_.cfFrz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/476 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 15:40:11 -0700 X-UIDL: f147b40e5f49f761cb29befb766014c1 At 7:16 AM -0800 6/19/97, Chris Chovit wrote: >This is what I am trying to work towards. I am just now starting to >explore the possibilities of the NextLoop function on the Echoplex DP. Has >anyone experimented with loading a bunch of really similar loops in there, >then changing between them with Next Loop function, to give the impresssion >of movement, without a drastic change? Has anyone experimented with using >MIDI commands (perhaps driven by a sequencer) to switch between the loops? >Any startling revelations in this area? Also, anyone using interesting >tricks with the feedback pedal to introduce dynamics? If so, please >explain! > > >(sorry if I reverted back to gear talk, kim...perhaps there is a "loop" >quality to our talks, as well. > >Chris Like Matthias said, discussions about how we create the music is not quite the same (or as dull) as talking about gear features ad nauseum.... One thing I like to do with multiple loops is pretty much what you are talking about. I record something simple in the first loop. Then I'll copy that one to Loop 2, and add something to it there. I might go back to loop 1 for a while, then copy it to loop 3 and add something different. Repeat as desired.... Since the copying happens in real time, and you can overdub new things as you do it, the performance is not interupted at all. It's essentially multiplying, but in a new loop. Moving between the loops then has a nice effect, because they are all related by the common base, but have different overdubs and other manipulations. And it is nice when you have a dense loop built up, to sometimes return immediately to it's simple beginning. And maybe back again, or whatever. It's really easy to control this, so it's a nice way to keep a loop changing in the background while you are improvising something over it. You can definitely create a more "composed" feeling to your loop. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Jun 21 20:55:20 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 21 15:40:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wfYp8-0001Co-00; Sat, 21 Jun 1997 15:40:02 -0700 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 15:35:46 -0700 (MST) From: Dan Howarth To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: question (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"toDZvD.A.v8.BfFrz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/475 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 15:40:02 -0700 X-UIDL: 0ce1450e0432f9f22b6d054de49dc5e5 hey folks, i received this the other day and am quite clueless. anybody? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 00:11:56 +0200 From: Laurent & Sophie Martinez To: howarth@u.arizona.edu Subject: Hiya looper ! Hello from Nice, French Riviera ! My cousin is a percussions player. He have no access to Internet. He uses my Email to write to you the following letter. I translated it from french, so I apologize in advance for my english that is not as good as I would want ! (c; If you ever want to answer his question, use my email : lofie@worldnet.fr Thanx for him ! ------------ What a good surprise it was to find the Looper's Delight Site ! It gave me hope in what I'm trying to do. Here is what I wanna do, I wish you'll be able to help me. In January 96, I bought the KORG WaveDrum which is a wonderfull electronic percussion instrument. Now, I need to be able to use the WaveDrum to get, in real time, rhythm loops that I'd like to add or to superpose the one on the other in order to perform musical sets for an audience. I already did it using the Cubase music software on a computer. But that needs too much handling. So I just bought a JAMMAN which I save loops with, then I use an OBERHEIM to change the features of the loops (LFO, CutOff, ...etc). My problem is that I can't (or don't know how to) part each loop that I saved and modify the features (LFO, CutOff...etc) of each one separately. Could you help me in any way ? Thanx a lot in advance ! Remy HULNE ------------------ Laurent MARTINEZ for Remy HULNE ==================================== lofie@worldnet.fr http://www.worldnet.fr/~lofie/ ==================================== From ???@??? Sun Jun 22 14:37:34 1997 >From kflint Sun Jun 22 03:59:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wfkMX-0001bb-00; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 03:59:17 -0700 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 06:56:12 -0400 (EDT) From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <970622065611_-1643938988@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Ground Control Resent-Message-ID: <"ANTA5B.A.1aB.KUQrz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/477 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 03:59:17 -0700 X-UIDL: 1079aba2108dd0e3c637cbced2aa73db I just purchased a Digi. Music Corp. "Ground Control" to control my rack set up which consists of a Digitech 2101, Digitech RDS 8000, Lexicon Jamman, and a Mackie 1202VLZ mixer. I had been controlling the 2101 and Jman (midi fade messages) via a Dgitech Control One Footcontroller but was experiencing some pops etc. when initiating a loop fade while in record mode in the Jman. I figured this had something to do with the midi message being relayed (?-not sure if this is technically correct but...) through the 2101 so I aquired the Ground Control so I could treat the 2101/Jman independantly. It worked as far as getting rid of the noise artifacts but the only probem I'm having is that when I hit one of the 2 pedals I assigned to send midi pgm.chg. 10 or 11 to the Jman I have to tap the pedal twice before the Jman picks up the message-ie: three vertical lights on display. I have the Ground Control midi out into the 2101 midi in and to the Jman via the 2101 midi through. The 2101 is configured, in the Ground Control, as device 1 and the Jman as device 2. Also the version # of the Ground Control is 2.3-is this the most current? I purchased the unit at a music store that was going out of business and the sales guy didn't know if it was or not-just currious. Other than that everything works fine. Ideas? Thanks--Paul (Mindscape Explorer) From ???@??? Sun Jun 22 14:37:41 1997 >From kflint Sun Jun 22 14:22:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wfu5Y-0007ho-00; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 14:22:24 -0700 Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 11:19:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Trueman To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ground Control In-Reply-To: <970622065611_-1643938988@emout06.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"lEYIpD.A.68G.1bZrz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/479 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 14:22:24 -0700 X-UIDL: 107cb720b421cbe6e047ce92d3803e65 I recently purchased the Ground Control upgrade which is version 2.4; probably the most current. Their number is 818-991-3881; I've found them very helpful in the past. dan ---------------- "we need new instruments very badly..." Edgar Varese ---------------- On Sun, 22 Jun 1997 PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote: > I just purchased a Digi. Music Corp. "Ground Control" to control my rack set > up which consists of a Digitech 2101, Digitech RDS 8000, Lexicon Jamman, and > a Mackie 1202VLZ mixer. I had been controlling the 2101 and Jman (midi fade > messages) via a Dgitech Control One Footcontroller but was experiencing some > pops etc. when initiating a loop fade while in record mode in the Jman. I > figured this had something to do with the midi message being relayed (?-not > sure if this is technically correct but...) through the 2101 so I aquired the > Ground Control so I could treat the 2101/Jman independantly. It worked as far > as getting rid of the noise artifacts but the only probem I'm having is that > when I hit one of the 2 pedals I assigned to send midi pgm.chg. 10 or 11 to > the Jman I have to tap the pedal twice before the Jman picks up the > message-ie: three vertical lights on display. I have the Ground Control midi > out into the 2101 midi in and to the Jman via the 2101 midi through. The 2101 > is configured, in the Ground Control, as device 1 and the Jman as device 2. > Also the version # of the Ground Control is 2.3-is this the most current? I > purchased the unit at a music store that was going out of business and the > sales guy didn't know if it was or not-just currious. Other than that > everything works fine. Ideas? Thanks--Paul (Mindscape Explorer) > From ???@??? Sun Jun 22 14:37:35 1997 >From kflint Sun Jun 22 08:38:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wfoiR-0005uk-00; Sun, 22 Jun 1997 08:38:11 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970622153746.00683710@flash.net> X-Sender: jbstudio@flash.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 10:37:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: John Michael Beard Subject: Re: Ground Control Resent-Message-ID: <"7b5FdC.A.5cF.MaUrz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/478 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 08:38:11 -0700 X-UIDL: 4dabd7f3cd197c927f7d0d9ab116d407 At 06:56 AM 6/22/97 -0400, you wrote: I aquired the >Ground Control so I could treat the 2101/Jman independantly. It worked as far >as getting rid of the noise artifacts but the only probem I'm having is that >when I hit one of the 2 pedals I assigned to send midi pgm.chg. 10 or 11 to >the Jman I have to tap the pedal twice before the Jman picks up the >message-ie: three vertical lights on display. You need the EEPROM update chip from Digital Music Corp {sorry I don't have the address here}. It's about $20 and allows the same patch change to be sent twice from the same GC switch. It also gives you a couple of new options with the GC... altho I haven't found them useful. I thought it was cool that they specifically mention the Jamman in the upgrade blurb. By the way, the chip is very easy to change, so certainly don't pay someone to change it even if you have no experience with electronics. Just use reasonable care pulling out the old chip... use a small screwdriver to gently pry it up. "Where the artists keep free no other sort or condition of man long remains bounds." --Horace Meyer Kallen John Michael Beard http://www.flash.net/~jbstudio From ???@??? Mon Jun 23 23:42:36 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 23 12:28:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wgEmn-0002ix-00; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:28:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199706231925.UAA11771@mail.bogo.co.uk> Reply-To: From: "andrew taylor" To: Subject: akai s20 phrase sampler Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 20:21:42 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5A_umB.A.9SC.t1srz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/480 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:28:25 -0700 X-UIDL: 385a668593c190a8425ecc82160c15ab I think Kim mentioned this a while ago, I've been reading a review of it and it sounds interesting. Starts off with 1mb of memory, upgradeable (with SIMMS) to 17mb. You get - 1Mb,32khz 7sec stereo,14 mono 1mb,16khz 14secs stereo,28s mono 17mb,32khz 131s stereo,262s mono 17mb,16khz 262s stereo,524s mono. Stereo input of line level phono plugs, 1/4 inch phone socket Price is UK499.00 Sorry I can't write up all the features for you, just thought I'd send in the memory details to get you thinking. A full review appears in July's SOUND ON SOUND magazine. Regards Andrew From ???@??? Mon Jun 23 23:42:56 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 23 20:15:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wgM54-0002W0-00; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 20:15:46 -0700 Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:13:26 -0400 (EDT) From: VanEyck To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jam Man Upgrade In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"QzhL9D.A.AMC.gtzrz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/482 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 20:15:46 -0700 X-UIDL: c24dacf0e99eccb99fb6506d97733496 Hi, Just a note to anyone who has recently purchased the upgrade chips for a Jam Man via mail order.... Can you forward the phone # of the place you ordered them from? How much was the kit? What brand name / part # were they? Apologies, I know this has been discussed previously but I only recently acquired the unit and didn't save the information last time around. Thanks, TREVOR. VanEyck@interlog.com From ???@??? Mon Jun 23 23:42:53 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 23 19:25:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wgLIB-0007AJ-00; Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:25:15 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:20:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: efisch@artnet.net (Eric R. Fischer) Subject: Re: Ground Control Resent-Message-ID: <"cM6pJC.A.EdG.N9yrz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/481 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:25:15 -0700 X-UIDL: a1c7bebe12e4e1293f0047f0370b582d >I recently purchased the Ground Control upgrade which is version 2.4; >probably the most current. Their number is 818-991-3881; I've found them >very helpful in the past. Ditto! I've also had great exp. with these guys. They built me a custom 9v distribution supply & modified my old boxes with 9v jacks. No more batteries!!!!!!!!! I have the most current software, & it also allows you to control more than one GCX (the rackmount efx loop companion) with it. I'd be lost without them. I use the Ground Control & two GCX's to bring footpedals (on a tray in my rack) in and out of the signal path, to switch between two amps/preamps, to change channels on those preamps, and to send midi program change info & C.C. info. Paul, in the Ground Control setup for C.C.'s it asks you to show it min. & max. value's of the pedal:i.e turn the pedal down & turn it up. You probobly did that but I thought I'd mention it anyway. Best of luck . Loop on brothers & sisters - Eric From ???@??? Tue Jun 24 09:27:21 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 24 08:11:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wgXFZ-0003Eh-00; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 08:11:21 -0700 Message-ID: <33AFE3A8.D0DFB816@gte.net> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:11:36 -0400 From: future perfect X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Ground Control with Echoplex X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"X0Ro1.A.GuC.zK-rz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/483 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 08:11:21 -0700 X-UIDL: 501245061ed3c6dc35c3b5161cfd9c05 -- Forgive me if this has been discussed before... Anyone have any experience controlling the Echoplex with the Ground Control? Does the GC completely replace the Echoplex's footswitch? I have version 2.4 of the GC. Thanks in advance for the help. Dave ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 'Music is a mirror of who we are.' - Robert Fripp From ???@??? Tue Jun 24 22:41:55 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 24 19:50:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wgi9v-00003E-00; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 19:50:15 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33AFE3A8.D0DFB816@gte.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:01:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Ground Control with Echoplex Resent-Message-ID: <"la5Q0.A.35G.ZZIsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/491 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 19:50:15 -0700 X-UIDL: de28af35b6175feb1522d83f1d35a98f The ground control's midi functions are too limited to control the echoplex. All it can send is program change messages and continuous controllers in a very limited fashion, which doesn't cut it. It can't even treat it's switches as momentary! It is really only meant to handle simple patch changes on effects devices. There are many better pedals out there, most of which are available used for considerably less money. (I got a Digitech pmc-10 for $100, which is quite nice) The echoplex footpedal tutorial on the website explains what a midi controller needs to be able to do for use with the plex. Since many people have apparently been talked in to getting the g.c., we've considered adding a mode to the echoplex software that would allow it to work with program-change-only pedals. This would still be a limited interface and wouldn't give all the intuitive control features in the echoplex's interface, since only a limited amount of info can be conveyed with program change messages. It would also mean violating the midi spec by using program change messages for something other than changing programs, which i'm not real fond of. Not to mention the bad taste of having to change because someone else has the unfortunate bad design/good marketing combo..... amusing aside- I once had a conversation with Mr. Fripp about this pedal...our opinions were about the same, except his were quite a bit stronger since he had actually tried to tour with it...try storing all the ground control's programming in your computer for backup and you'll see what I mean real quick. kim >-- Forgive me if this has been discussed before... >Anyone have any experience controlling the Echoplex with the Ground >Control? Does the GC completely replace the Echoplex's footswitch? >I have version 2.4 of the GC. Thanks in advance for the help. >Dave >********************************************************************* >'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: >http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 >'Music is a mirror of who we are.' - Robert Fripp ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Jun 24 22:41:29 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 24 11:30:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wgaMh-00011C-00; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:30:55 -0700 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 13:51:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Pete Koniuto Sender: Pete Koniuto Reply-To: Pete Koniuto Subject: Music is best, indeed To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"6792Q.A.z8G.svAsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/484 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:30:55 -0700 X-UIDL: 5105a0e35db66fc707d0b3a8a14002a5 Great recommendations all around! It's amazing, when one thinks about it for just a few moments, just how wide the variety of loop-based music there is out there, from Palestrina to Satie to David Torn. Since being on this list, reading other folks' personal techniques and perspectives on other music out there, i find my own ear has matured significantly. I now tend to hear the fundamentals hashed out in great detail here in music i've been listening to for years, but never quite picked up on the magic of it--"why does this piece have so much impact for me?" I'm just now beginning to answer that question for myself a little more often, yet it doesn't steal the magic from me. A Cheshire grin finds its way to my lips; it's a wonderful awakening. Here are a few of my own recommends: --Anything by Moondog, anything. (Especially for you looping percussionists out there!) --Nearly anything by Brian Eno. Interestingly enough, though i am not a big U2 fan, i found the Passengers album (Eno, members of U2, Pavarotti, et al.) quite intriguing with each listen. A new addition to my Having-Fun-With-Eno collection. --JESUS' BLOOD NEVER FAILED ME YET, the Gavin Bryars Ensemble with Tom Waits. I believe this has been mentioned on the list before, so i won't go into describing it. Very surreal loopage. None of the Big Three used on this record. --POLYTOWN. Stating the obvious, i know, but i was there during the sessions, so it's close to my heart. --SLINGBLADE soundtrack, Daniel Lanois. Using the Boomerang on this one quite a bit, i believe, and the man just knows how to get great tone out of his instrument. Likely to hear much more loopage and instrumental work on his upcoming solo release, which i hear is due out this fall. --BIRDY soundtrack, Peter Gabriel with D. Lanois. Don't know what they were using for loopage back when this was done, but it's a beautiful record. --TOLERANCE FOR AMBIGUITY, Caryn Lin. Many of you probably already know this one, since the owner of Alchemy Records is on this list. If you don't, maybe you should. Not exactly electronica, but superb musicianship with nice production work by David Torn. Caryn's definitely got something unique about her, and i took to her music immediately. (Who else would appear both on that public radio show, "Echoes", and at the Finger Lakes Grass Roots Festival in up-state New York?) She's a trip live especially (seen her 3 times so far). For those in my area (Boston), i know she'll be performing at Johnny D.'s in Davis Square on 1 July for like a five dollar cover or something. 8:30p i think is showtime. I'll be there. (Last time i saw her, she had a jamdude and a plex in her rack.) --They'll probably be too bashful to plug their own stuff, so check out Robby Aceto's record and both of Jon Durant's records, all on Alchemy. (Yo Jon, what the hell were you doing behind a desk all those years, anyway?!? Practicing your chops between meetings?) I hope i get to hear at least of these guys live sometime soon. Great stuff from both of them! Very original loopage. Off the top of my head. I'll post more as i think of them and when my boss stops giving me dirty looks. (I have noticeably better posture when Looper's Delight is involved than when doing my own work. Go figure.) Keep the recommends coming! Pete Koniuto ----------------- Music Library Boston University 617-353-3753 pkoniuto@bu.edu ----------------- From ???@??? Tue Jun 24 22:41:29 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 24 11:30:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wgaMG-00010Z-00; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:30:28 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:59:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Ground Control with Echoplex Resent-Message-ID: <"tu5w9D.A.xKH.AzAsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/485 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:30:28 -0700 X-UIDL: e8c3d9e407b3fd163d7410ff4fb92621 The ground control's midi functions are too limited to control the echoplex. All it can send is program change messages and continuous controllers in a very limited fashion, which doesn't cut it. It can't even treat it's switches as momentary! It is really only meant to handle simple patch changes on effects devices. There are many better pedals out there, most of which are available used for considerably less money. (I got a Digitech pmc-10 for $100, which is quite nice) The echoplex footpedal tutorial on the website explains what a midi controller needs to be able to do for use with the plex. Since many people have apparently been talked in to getting the g.c., we've considered adding a mode to the echoplex software that would allow it to work with program-change-only pedals. This would still be a limited interface and wouldn't give all the intuitive control features in the echoplex's interface, since only a limited amount of info can be conveyed with program change messages. It would also mean violating the midi spec by using program change messages for something other than changing programs, which i'm not real fond of. Not to mention the bad taste of having to change because someone else has the unfortunate bad design/good marketing combo..... amusing aside- I once had a conversation with Mr. Fripp about this pedal...our opinions were about the same, except his were quite a bit stronger since he had actually tried to tour with it...try storing all the ground control's programming in your computer for backup and you'll see what I mean real quick. kim >-- Forgive me if this has been discussed before... >Anyone have any experience controlling the Echoplex with the Ground >Control? Does the GC completely replace the Echoplex's footswitch? >I have version 2.4 of the GC. Thanks in advance for the help. >Dave >********************************************************************* >'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: >http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 >'Music is a mirror of who we are.' - Robert Fripp ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue Jun 24 22:41:42 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 24 15:49:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wgeOm-00014j-00; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 15:49:20 -0700 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199706242019.NAA11278@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: Ground Control with Echoplex To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 13:19:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Kim Flint" at Jun 24, 97 10:59:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NQrG1.A.wC.ywEsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/486 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 15:49:20 -0700 X-UIDL: aa1f09dad5994109fa32ce702ed2e410 > patch changes on effects devices. There are many better pedals out there, > most of which are available used for considerably less money. (I got a > Digitech pmc-10 for $100, which is quite nice) The echoplex footpedal Kim, perhaps it would be a good idea to add descriptions about recommended MIDI control pedals to the Tools Of The Trade section of the Loopers Delight website. Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Tue Jun 24 22:41:42 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 24 16:04:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wged5-0002OZ-00; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:04:07 -0700 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:49:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Trueman To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ground Control with Echoplex In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"sjSvq.A.0hB.-AFsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/487 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:04:07 -0700 X-UIDL: b4238f5d10ff53e8ab9e3d5aacea86a7 Well, actually the most recent version of the GC DOES treat switches as momentary. This was my only gripe with the pedal. Now I think it is a wonderful pedal, with it's flexibility of programming and solid construction, and I use it with a whole array of different devices. Perhaps the problem is not the GC, but, dare I say, the Echoplex... Cheers! dan ---------------- "we need new instruments very badly..." Edgar Varese ---------------- On Tue, 24 Jun 1997, Kim Flint wrote: > The ground control's midi functions are too limited to control the > echoplex. All it can send is program change messages and continuous > controllers in a very limited fashion, which doesn't cut it. It can't even > treat it's switches as momentary! It is really only meant to handle simple > patch changes on effects devices. There are many better pedals out there, > most of which are available used for considerably less money. (I got a > Digitech pmc-10 for $100, which is quite nice) The echoplex footpedal > tutorial on the website explains what a midi controller needs to be able to > do for use with the plex. > > Since many people have apparently been talked in to getting the g.c., we've > considered adding a mode to the echoplex software that would allow it to > work with program-change-only pedals. This would still be a limited > interface and wouldn't give all the intuitive control features in the > echoplex's interface, since only a limited amount of info can be conveyed > with program change messages. It would also mean violating the midi spec by > using program change messages for something other than changing programs, > which i'm not real fond of. Not to mention the bad taste of having to > change because someone else has the unfortunate bad design/good marketing > combo..... > > amusing aside- I once had a conversation with Mr. Fripp about this > pedal...our opinions were about the same, except his were quite a bit > stronger since he had actually tried to tour with it...try storing all the > ground control's programming in your computer for backup and you'll see > what I mean real quick. > > kim > > > >-- Forgive me if this has been discussed before... > >Anyone have any experience controlling the Echoplex with the Ground > >Control? Does the GC completely replace the Echoplex's footswitch? > >I have version 2.4 of the GC. Thanks in advance for the help. > >Dave > >********************************************************************* > >'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: > >http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 > >'Music is a mirror of who we are.' - Robert Fripp > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html > http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com > > > From ???@??? Tue Jun 24 22:41:59 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 24 20:29:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wgf2b-0004br-00; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:30:29 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970624232627.0069efe8@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com> X-Sender: cavaleri@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:26:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joe Cavaleri Subject: Re: Jam Man Upgrade Resent-Message-ID: <"Ht4GZC.A.GcD.nXFsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/488 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:30:29 -0700 X-UIDL: 10e41eac4710e3081cac65380489811a Hi Tervor, Company info: VisonSoft (800)735-2633 Homepage: http//www.visionsoft.com Price for 4 chips 9.95ea plus shipping, and sales tax. For California total price is 50.19. I just installed the upgrade last night. Chips seem to work fine. I requested the MICRON part number listed in the Jamman manual. Sorry I don't remember it at the momment. Hope this info helps, All the best joe At 11:13 PM 6/23/97 -0400, you wrote: > > > Hi, > > Just a note to anyone who has recently purchased the upgrade chips >for a Jam Man via mail order.... > > Can you forward the phone # of the place you ordered them from? > > How much was the kit? > > What brand name / part # were they? > > Apologies, I know this has been discussed previously but I only >recently acquired the unit and didn't save the information last time >around. > > Thanks, > > TREVOR. > VanEyck@interlog.com > > > > > From ???@??? Tue Jun 24 22:41:48 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 24 17:44:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wggCS-00034k-00; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 17:44:44 -0700 Message-Id: <9706248671.AA867199264@fsmtp.faulkcomp.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.0 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 97 19:40:22 -0600 From: "mmason" To: Subject: Gear and music in the same letter!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"8fuq_D.A.hYC.EjGsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/489 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 17:44:44 -0700 X-UIDL: c65a71c9604d3d35bfcb9910f35fdb01 Yo to all. I got some questions.... I have some sort of cheap-o chorus pedal that kinda looks like an old Boss, but its not. Anyway, to power all my pedals, I have a Boss AC adaptor I cut up and added three more male plug thingies to. It works fine except for my chorus pedal makes this clicky humming noise. None of the other pedals do this. When I lower the volume with my guitar's volume knob, the noise goes away. So I'm assuming that it has something to do with my guitar. But none of the other pedals do this! ANd it even hums whith batteries in it. Can anyone help? On the subject of music........ Velvet Underground/Nico --- "It was Pleasure Then" This is a real great song. Kinda pre-ambient ambient type song. Real creepy/beatiful vocals from Nico. Great ambient noises from Lou Reed's guitar and John Cale's viola. This song makes me feel like crying sometimes. Great chill out tune. Morphine --- Has nothing to do with looping, but a real awesome band. Real inspirational to me!! Moody "low rock". Charlie Hunter Quartet --- Again, nothing to do with looping. The most awesome thing I have ever seen. You know, come to think of it, I really don't listen to much loop oriented music at all. Oh well. Jay or Boris mmason@faulkcomp.com From ???@??? Tue Jun 24 22:41:51 1997 >From kflint Tue Jun 24 18:47:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wghBL-0001JX-00; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:47:39 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970625015101.00913e14@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:51:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Ground Control with Echoplex Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"4gt1vC.A.Ox.meHsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/490 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:47:39 -0700 X-UIDL: 86d2ef46ccdf4c84191c40a97e1b05b9 At 06:49 PM 6/24/97 -0400, Dan Trueman wrote: >Well, actually the most recent version of the GC DOES treat switches as >momentary. This was my only gripe with the pedal. Now I think it is a >wonderful pedal, with it's flexibility of programming and solid >construction, and I use it with a whole array of different devices. >Perhaps the problem is not the GC, but, dare I say, the Echoplex... My understanding of the latest ground control software is that it does not treat the switches as momentary. As I understand it, this version only removes a "feature" where the pedal would not allow you to send the same program change message twice in a row. In the case of the Jamman, this meant you could start recording, but not stop. If I'm wrong about that and they have an even newer version, I'd like to know! Momentary means the ability to send one midi string when the switch is pressed and a second string when the pedal is released. That way, the length of time that the pedal is pressed can be used as part of the control interface. This sustained press turns out to be a very intuitve gesture, and has been employed in musical instruments for many centuries. As far as loopers go, both the Boomerang and the Echoplex take advantage of this. The Echoplex's interface has been very carefully designed and developed to give the player the maximum amount of control in the most intuitive way, while only using a minimal amount of switches and hardware. It is an instrument that you play, not a passive device that you change a patch on between songs. Matthias' design is really quite ingenious, and I for one find it very musically useful and intuitive. How could this be a problem? For me it is a welcome change in an industry mostly driven by conformity. I think it would be a shame to severely limit this musical quality by forcing it into an interface that is remarkably short-sighted in it's design, not to mention the ethical issues of violating an industry standard to do it! If all you need to do is send the occasional patch change to your effects device, and maybe control a parameter with an expression pedal, you are right, the ground control is fine and probably makes and excellent choice for many applications. As soon as you want to do something more "sophisticated", like sending midi notes or sysex or any other midi message other than program change, you are out of luck with the GC pedal. And the lack of a midi in jack, which eliminates all possibility of restoring backed up data, implies that the ground control was not designed with professional touring in mind. My problem with ground control is not the pedal itself. It is simple, rugged, and appears to do what it sets out to do. My problem is the market image the pedal has of being the most powerful and capable pedal available, which it isn't. hmmm, looks like this qualifies as this week's rant..... :-) Damn, I was really trying not to talk about gear....I didn't even last a week! >---------------- >"we need new instruments very badly..." >Edgar Varese >---------------- Indeed we do! kim > > >On Tue, 24 Jun 1997, Kim Flint wrote: > >> The ground control's midi functions are too limited to control the >> echoplex. All it can send is program change messages and continuous >> controllers in a very limited fashion, which doesn't cut it. It can't even >> treat it's switches as momentary! It is really only meant to handle simple >> patch changes on effects devices. There are many better pedals out there, >> most of which are available used for considerably less money. (I got a >> Digitech pmc-10 for $100, which is quite nice) The echoplex footpedal >> tutorial on the website explains what a midi controller needs to be able to >> do for use with the plex. >> >> Since many people have apparently been talked in to getting the g.c., we've >> considered adding a mode to the echoplex software that would allow it to >> work with program-change-only pedals. This would still be a limited >> interface and wouldn't give all the intuitive control features in the >> echoplex's interface, since only a limited amount of info can be conveyed >> with program change messages. It would also mean violating the midi spec by >> using program change messages for something other than changing programs, >> which i'm not real fond of. Not to mention the bad taste of having to >> change because someone else has the unfortunate bad design/good marketing >> combo..... >> >> amusing aside- I once had a conversation with Mr. Fripp about this >> pedal...our opinions were about the same, except his were quite a bit >> stronger since he had actually tried to tour with it...try storing all the >> ground control's programming in your computer for backup and you'll see >> what I mean real quick. >> >> kim >> >> >> >-- Forgive me if this has been discussed before... >> >Anyone have any experience controlling the Echoplex with the Ground >> >Control? Does the GC completely replace the Echoplex's footswitch? >> >I have version 2.4 of the GC. Thanks in advance for the help. >> >Dave >> >********************************************************************* >> >'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: >> >http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 >> >'Music is a mirror of who we are.' - Robert Fripp >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >> kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >> http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Wed Jun 25 09:22:31 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 25 00:03:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wgm78-0001kg-00; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 00:03:38 -0700 Message-Id: <8778.199706250701@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:01:08 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Blowing our own trumpets (was: Music is best, indeed) Resent-Message-ID: <"s63__D.A.ifB.OJMsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/492 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 00:03:38 -0700 X-UIDL: f8c4779eefe4c1fad9f9c62fd8862ec3 Pete: >--They'll probably be too bashful to plug their own stuff, so > check out Robby Aceto's record and both of Jon Durant's > records, all on Alchemy. (Yo Jon, what the hell were > you doing behind a desk all those years, anyway?!? > Practicing your chops between meetings?) I hope i get > to hear at least of these guys live sometime soon. > Great stuff from both of them! Very original loopage. THo' they aren't ""official" releases in the Jon/Robby sense, I'd really recommend work by or very own Matthias and Bryan. I've one of Matthias' albums which is direct, moving music which wouldn't be out of place on a film soundtrack. His looping is very discrete, - you don't really notice it's there, though it's always going on, and the album includes some of the most moving passages I've ever heard. Guitarists - this man is not only a gifted player, his distorted-hex-piezo tone is incredible! File under "NOT new age"! Plus on the cover you get to see Matthias' feet! Bryan's work is far more cerebral, more "ambient" in the traditional sense - his collection across the spectrum of his work sound like a history of the synthesiser! The man's been doing this for a _long_ time - and it shows! He is a great keyboard player - there's some wonderful honky-tonk playing here. His latestwork includes some wonderful, evolving piano peices - utterly meditiative yet givig a real focus for the attention. Whatever you do, make sure you listen to "Sleep It Off" - in which Bryan croons like a new-age Tony Bennett! Wow! This isn't intended as full reviews, just a reminder that we have some of the finest loopers around, right here!! Book me in for the LD CD... speaking of which...? Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Wed Jun 25 09:22:35 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 25 01:00:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wgn04-0004KL-00; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 01:00:24 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 00:55:24 -0700 (MST) From: Dan Howarth To: stickwire-l@netcom.com cc: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: gig Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"I3lDr.A.ryD.w9Msz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/493 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 01:00:24 -0700 X-UIDL: 1cd1f0c1adec709c44baf3ad79e23a5f hi folks, had a great gig tonight with my band, Lila. we played a tucson bar of about fifty people. had a lot of fun - blew the closing band away. :) scary thing... the other night, my friend's dog knocked my rack over. yep. onto the floor. i didn't get around to plugging it back in until the gig - and what do you know, my studio quad didn't work. luckily i had the right size hex nut driver (those things are weird!) with me and a philips... sat down at the bar and pulled it apart. it turns out that the EPROM chip popped out of its socket upon impact. since i'd done this before (i put the upgrade chip in a while back) i had no trouble putting it back together. really proud of myself. :) but anyhoo. we're playing quite a bit in tucson, and will hopefully be spreading to phoenix soon. if you're ever around, drop me a line. we'll have a second recording available by the end of the summer. ** Dan Howarth ** ** Classics-History-Music. University of Arizona, Tucson ** ** http://www.u.arizona.edu/~howarth ** From ???@??? Wed Jun 25 09:22:35 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 25 01:00:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wgmzz-0004Jd-00; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 01:00:19 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 00:56:31 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: Blowing our own trumpets (was: Music is best, indeed) Resent-Message-ID: <"Z1pyR.A.o0D.A-Msz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/494 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 01:00:19 -0700 X-UIDL: 1eb825acf37fcf6a0f5438301923628f So where do we get these albums? >THo' they aren't ""official" releases in the Jon/Robby sense, I'd really >recommend work by or very own Matthias and Bryan. I've one of Matthias' >albums which is direct, moving music which wouldn't be out of place on a >film soundtrack. His looping is very discrete, - you don't really notice >it's there, though it's always going on, and the album includes some of the >most moving passages I've ever heard. Guitarists - this man is not only a >gifted player, his distorted-hex-piezo tone is incredible! File under "NOT >new age"! Plus on the cover you get to see Matthias' feet! > >Bryan's work is far more cerebral, more "ambient" in the traditional sense >- his collection across the spectrum of his work sound like a history of >the synthesiser! The man's been doing this for a _long_ time - and it >shows! He is a great keyboard player - there's some wonderful honky-tonk >playing here. His latestwork includes some wonderful, evolving piano >peices - utterly meditiative yet givig a real focus for the attention. >Whatever you do, make sure you listen to "Sleep It Off" - in which Bryan >croons like a new-age Tony Bennett! Wow! > >This isn't intended as full reviews, just a reminder that we have some of >the finest loopers around, right here!! Book me in for the LD CD... >speaking of which...? > >Michael > >Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, >Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. > "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Wed Jun 25 09:22:37 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 25 03:04:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wgovx-0003KE-00; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 03:04:17 -0700 Message-Id: <24168.199706251003@eestud1.elec> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:03:33 +0100 (BST) From: Michael Hughes To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Blowing our own trumpets (was: Music is best, indeed) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"KyvXz.A.RBD.-yOsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/495 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 03:04:17 -0700 X-UIDL: df9ad8e8e1531e681a18aaef2689caf8 > So where do we get these albums? Direct from the musicians - a load of people on this list have produced tapes of their work, as you can see on the "Loopers of the World" webpage. In fact I seem to be in a minority of loopers with no tape (sniff).... Michael From ???@??? Wed Jun 25 09:22:39 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 25 04:26:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wgqDP-0005l7-00; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 04:26:23 -0700 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Leonardo Cavallo Subject: good news for echoflexers Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:30:04 +0200 Message-ID: <19970625113003500.AAA200@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"7imLzC.A.HSF.x_Psz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/496 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 04:26:23 -0700 X-UIDL: 825bcc4f925df7b198e64d32b08a2bcf Hi all dont' know if you already know this... I've been out for some days... This is what I received from Oberheim: _________________________ Dear Mr. Cavallo, Thank you for your prompt e-mail response. I am glad you have had success in ordering your Echoplex. Regarding the software update, it is my understanding that it has gone through Beta testing and is being revised. The tentative date for release they have given me is 2-4 weeks; please note, I must emphasize that this is a tentative date. Hope this information helps. Best regards, Dean Fouts Oberheim Customer Service _____________________________ Again, I'd like to have answers to these topics from plexers: >- This is vital. I'd like to let grow my loops in spontaneous ever changing >compositions. Does the Jammark allow you to start with loop 1, add a layer >as loop 2, add another layer as loop 3, erase loop 1, add a new loop 1, >erase loop2, etc., all without interruption? For me continuity should be >essential... The little I tried was to change loop number STOPPING the last >loop and adding a new one. THEN you could shift from a recorded loop to >another. This seemed a big limitation for me...I'd like to add a new loop >while listening the other ones. ...and Bob kindly replied: >The released version of the JamMan software does not do this (the upgrade >will). If you need this functionality now, the Digital Echoplex is >probably your best bet. I believe it currently provides this >functionality. Now I'd like to know for sure if the Echoplex can do all this. To have different loops going on simultaneously AND the possibility to switch to one from another and to modify each one or erasing one and letting the others going on. I'm looking for this kind of features... And what about the Echoplex pedalboard?? Thanks in advance Ciao Leo From ???@??? Wed Jun 25 09:22:39 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 25 04:43:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wgqTu-0006IM-00; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 04:43:26 -0700 Date: 25 Jun 97 07:38:38 EDT From: Jon Durant <74074.1316@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Blowing our own trumpets (was: Music is best, indeed) Message-ID: <970625113837_74074.1316_GHP63-2@CompuServe.COM> Resent-Message-ID: <"6uqIbB.A.AyF.lPQsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/497 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 04:43:26 -0700 X-UIDL: 56c1022660ada97f41f40c0fd212e8f2 Pete- Thanks for the kind words re: Caryn, Robby and me. Actually, it's not so much about being bashful, more a question of is this an ad or a legit posting. I hope it's taken as the latter. Oh, and I will see you at the Johnny D's gig. Look for me off to the side of the stage somewhere. (There aren't too many places to hide there, as I recall.) As for my CD, you can check out the new Guitar mag (w/Stevie Ray Vaughn on the cover for a review. Apparently, Guitar Shop and Guitar Player will have reviews in their NAMM issues. And Bass frontiers, too. And, if anyone's going to the NAMM show, look for me at the Klein booth where I'll be playing, some solo, some duo, some loopage w/ my brother Kingsley. Dr. Michael: I've heard a tape from Matthias, and quite enjoyed it. I think I may have mentioned that before. A very rich work, indeed. Later, Jon Durant From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 00:25:16 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 25 18:39:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wh18g-0007W6-00; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 16:06:14 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:05:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: Midi Fade on Jam Man Resent-Message-ID: <"m3UY1C.A.rpF.K9Zsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/507 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 16:06:14 -0700 X-UIDL: 1f4712c3c293fb838d6c4f461f36f781 TREVOR, When you do get the hardware to allow you to use this function be aware that if you have the 32 second chip that a long fade takes a LONG time to fade. I only use the medium or short fade. I'm using the Digitech PMC 10(Thanks to Kim's recommendation) to control my two jam men. A nice trick a picked up form Paul Mimlitsch (please forgive spellig error Paul) is to begin the fade, wait a bit and then to add more material as the volume has decreased. Nice way to add new foreground. Keeep making music..... Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Wed Jun 25 09:22:51 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 25 08:53:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wguO6-0004qQ-00; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:53:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199706251548.IAA18891@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: "Loop" Subject: Ground Control with Echoplex Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:54:07 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6r8Eq.A.iKE.U4Tsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/498 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:53:42 -0700 X-UIDL: b329d74609c5df1675bb02fb4dc2c0bc > From: Kim Flint > amusing aside- I once had a conversation with Mr. Fripp about this > pedal...our opinions were about the same, except his were quite a bit > stronger since he had actually tried to tour with it...try storing all >the > ground control's programming in your computer for backup and you'll see > what I mean real quick. I once owned a Ground Control pedal and sold it for that very same reason. If you have a complex setup it's insane to do all that programming without being able to back it up. ----------------------------- Matt McCabe Sales/Marketing Support BI-TECH Software Inc. 890 Fortress Street Chico, CA 95973 916.899.4348 http://www.bi-tech.com From ???@??? Wed Jun 25 09:22:52 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 25 08:54:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wguP2-0004wv-00; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:54:40 -0700 Message-Id: <199706251549.IAA18905@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: "Loop" Subject: Music is best, indeed Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:55:03 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"g3qCHB.A.tPE.O5Tsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/499 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:54:40 -0700 X-UIDL: 8f417779445f866837064b2f4845aba6 > From: Pete Koniuto > --TOLERANCE FOR AMBIGUITY, Caryn Lin. Many of you probably > already know this one, since the owner of Alchemy > Records is on this list. If you don't, maybe you Is she the violin player I remember Torn mentioning something about? Anyone care to post a brief review of the album? Matt From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 00:25:15 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 25 17:53:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wh2oW-00045i-00; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:53:32 -0700 X-Sender: ngold@mail.imagina.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9706252105.AA05867@beryllium.lexicon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:51:11 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Neil Goldstein Subject: RE: Midi Fade on Jam Man Resent-Message-ID: <"Wj8j9D.A.WmD.H0bsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/508 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:53:32 -0700 X-UIDL: 43b08e02c8d3bf7f1ce1ec5a6f93102a FWIW: I just bought a Boss FC50 midi control footswitch expressly to use with the JamMan. Wouldn't recommend it, but not a bad deal for $25 from the local classifieds. Its an older model that sends program changes up to 127 (actually 0 to 127) by shifting up "banks". It has 5 switches and an A/B switch to get from prg 1-5 to prg 6-10 etc. To get to the next set of 10 its necessary to press a bank switch up or down. Unfortunately, this bugger sends a program change even when you change "banks" or A/B. No way to configure it differently to "wait for program switch", it just goes to the same program in the next bank. Guess you get what you pay for. If there was a way to retrofit it to "*not* send program changes on bank changes" it would be the perfect, small, battery powered box. Still works better than using the pedal port apparently. Wonder if midi transmission of a tap is literally faster than electronic impulse from "mechanical" footswitch? Or is it just the "ergonomics" of the footswitch that lends to a tighter control? Neil ngold@imagina.com Portland, OR USA From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 00:24:45 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 25 10:21:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wgvka-0003hW-00; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:21:00 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:13:32 -0400 (EDT) From: VanEyck To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Midi Fade on Jam Man In-Reply-To: <24168.199706251003@eestud1.elec> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Qez_n.A.UyC.FHVsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/500 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:21:00 -0700 X-UIDL: 462c4f866193dc545d59cac6d53bc900 Hello, As I know next to nothing about Midi, I seem to be having some problems with getting my Jamman to gradually fade out in loop mode. That is when the loop is open I want the sample to gradually degrade. It is my understanding that you can do this with a midi controller but can you acces it via the front panel? Thanks, TREVOR. VanEyck@interlog.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 00:24:58 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 25 11:43:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wgx28-0002bn-00; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:43:12 -0700 Message-Id: <9706251818.AA05226@beryllium.lexicon.com> Priority: urgent Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:08:00 -0400 From: "Hogan, Greg" Subject: RE: Midi Fade on Jam Man To: Loopers-Delight X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Resent-Message-ID: <"8hOlOB.A.t9B.bWWsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/501 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:43:12 -0700 X-UIDL: d5b2dcefdd0f7b1e07840fdb2459783f Dear Trevor, JAMMAN does not repond to MIDI continuous controllers. It responds to MIDI program change messages. Program change 9 is a short fade, 10 is a medium fade and 11 is a long fade. Dear Kim, Can you please tell us where in the MIDI spec it states that program change messages are ONLY for changing programs? I don't believe it does. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for y'all. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone 617-280-0372 FAX 617-280-0499 email: ghogan@lexicon.com Hello, As I know next to nothing about Midi, I seem to be having some problems with getting my Jamman to gradually fade out in loop mode. That is when the loop is open I want the sample to gradually degrade. It is my understanding that you can do this with a midi controller but can you acces it via the front panel? Thanks, TREVOR. VanEyck@interlog.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 00:25:03 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 25 12:29:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wgxki-0006DW-00; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:29:16 -0700 Message-ID: <30C4F9E5EBE1D0118B760000C0DD100F06342A@mail.exapps.com> From: David Kirkdorffer To: Leonardo Cavallo , Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Leo's Looping Question -- a long, hopefull clear answer Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:27:57 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"8xyXuB.A.hmF.xDXsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/502 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:29:16 -0700 X-UIDL: 9c2e290132b21281b22e63c8cd4e5b31 Leo writes.... Does the Jammark allow you to start with loop 1, add a layer >as loop 2, add another layer as loop 3, erase loop 1, add a new loop 1, >erase loop2, etc., all without interruption? For me continuity should be >essential... The little I tried was to change loop number STOPPING the last >loop and adding a new one. THEN you could shift from a recorded loop to >another. This seemed a big limitation for me...I'd like to add a new loop >while listening the other ones. Now I'd like to know for sure if the Echoplex can do all this. To have different loops going on simultaneously AND the possibility to switch to one from another and to modify each one or erasing one and letting the others going on. I'm looking for this kind of features... And what about the Echoplex pedalboard?? OK I have an echoplex Depending on how much memory you have installed you can have upto 198 seconds of time to loop. Regardless of how much memory time you have, you can subdivide your total time (lets say 90 seconds..) into UPTO nine equal-sized portions (in our example, 10 seconds each). Or 2 equal memory portions of 45 seconds eqach or 3 portions of 30 seconds etc... So, you thereby have upto 9 different locations for loops to go in. So you can have upto 9 different loops available to play -- individually -- not simultaneously. For example: You can place and develop material in loop 1 then copy it to loop 2 then add different material ontop of it in loop 2 then copy all that to loop 3 then add more different materil to that in loop 3 then go back to loop 1 then go to loop 3 then copy loop 3 into loop 4 then go to loop 2 then go to loop 4 and add new material then start a brand new loop in loop 5 then go back to loop 2 then go back to loop 5 etc.. However you cannot play all nine loops at the same time. You can copy contents and move from memory location to location. Remember, you can add more and more material to each loop -- its not like a loop is a static phrase. W/ the echoplex you can add to a loop, reverse it, add some stuff while it's playing backwards, then reverse it again and add stuff. However you cannot play all nine loops at the same time. No device I'm aware of allows you to do exactly what you have described. The way to acheive THAT is to buy TWO or more looping devices. Infact, I doubt it would be easy to do in practice, technology aside. Imagine you could listen to many loops at once. After just a few minutes with a few loops, do you think you'll remember where each piece you added is stored so as to know where to subtract it from? I think that's what Fripp's got in his towering rack. Two of everything. Technically I think he can create up to two simultaneously playing loops. Each loop in stereo. Hence is Quad-like set-up. I hope that answer the question. David Kirkdorffer P.S. If you're midi challenged, I strongly urge you get the Echoplex Foot Pedal Controler. It keeps your hands on your intrument and provides alot of functionality at your, er, toes. From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 00:25:05 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 25 12:35:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wgxqS-0006jf-00; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:35:12 -0700 Message-ID: <01BC817D.BB0FC800@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: Fripp's Loops on the G3 Tour Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:37:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rM_Rv.A.-FG.QJXsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/503 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:35:12 -0700 X-UIDL: b8d9f61af48b2374f470b963d60ae6a6 Has anyone seen Fripp looping on the G3 Tour? How was he? Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 00:25:10 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 25 13:45:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wgywH-0003yy-00; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:45:17 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 16:40:26 -0400 (EDT) From: VanEyck To: Loopers-Delight Subject: RE: Midi Fade on Jam Man In-Reply-To: <9706251818.AA05226@beryllium.lexicon.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"GC4N9B.A.RZD.CJYsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/504 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:45:17 -0700 X-UIDL: e0965c656909597cccee8a7b9eadb567 On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, Hogan, Greg wrote: > > Dear Trevor, > > JAMMAN does not repond to MIDI continuous controllers. It responds to > MIDI program change messages. Program change 9 is a short fade, 10 is a > medium fade and 11 is a long fade. I do understand this ^^^ from the manual - but can this be done without any other hardware? IE, can I do this from the front panel or with a footswitch? Do I need a lexicon MRC or something? Thanks, TREVOR. VanEyck@interlog.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 00:25:10 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 25 13:56:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wgz7Z-0004x6-00; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:56:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199706252053.NAA25778@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: Midi Fade on Jam Man Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:58:32 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"yXKj8C.A.LbE.BWYsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/505 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:56:57 -0700 X-UIDL: 46b1ff876e498f7fad082e395ca48d74 > > JAMMAN does not repond to MIDI continuous controllers. It responds to > > MIDI program change messages. Program change 9 is a short fade, 10 is a > > medium fade and 11 is a long fade. > > I do understand this ^^^ from the manual - but can this be done > without any other hardware? IE, can I do this from the front panel or with > a footswitch? Do I need a lexicon MRC or something? Trevor, You need something that can transmit MIDI program changes. Yes, you need additional hardware. You can't access this function from the front panel....which is a major bummer IMO. Matt From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 00:25:11 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 25 14:05:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wgzFn-0005gP-00; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:05:27 -0700 Message-Id: <9706252105.AA05867@beryllium.lexicon.com> Priority: urgent Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:55:00 -0400 From: "Hogan, Greg" Subject: RE: Midi Fade on Jam Man To: Loopers-Delight X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Resent-Message-ID: <"qCZYhC.A.CDF.HdYsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/506 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:05:27 -0700 X-UIDL: d0673334132549663eb6d55de6d7c806 Hi Trevor, This can not be done from the front panel. You could use the MRC to do this but it would be a bit overkill. There are many devices that send MIDI program change messages. Your local retailer would probably be more aware of the options. For control of the JAMMANs functions you need a device that will send program changes 1-20. The device should also be able to send the same message two times in a row in order to take advantage of the tap feature. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service {hone 617-280-0372 FAX 617-280-0499 email: ghogan@lexicon.com ---------- From: Loopers-Delight[SMTP:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 1997 4:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight Subject: RE: Midi Fade on Jam Man ---------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, Hogan, Greg wrote: > > Dear Trevor, > > JAMMAN does not repond to MIDI continuous controllers. It responds to > MIDI program change messages. Program change 9 is a short fade, 10 is a > medium fade and 11 is a long fade. I do understand this ^^^ from the manual - but can this be done without any other hardware? IE, can I do this from the front panel or with a footswitch? Do I need a lexicon MRC or something? Thanks, TREVOR. VanEyck@interlog.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 00:25:20 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 25 22:13:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wh6sC-0005rX-00; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 22:13:36 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970626051205.0069ec14@flash.net> X-Sender: jbstudio@flash.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 00:12:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: John Michael Beard Subject: Pedals Resent-Message-ID: <"hG5r-C.A.NTF.unfsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/509 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 22:13:36 -0700 X-UIDL: 222861ac4e1a7dd898e0eb19f53f3b7e Hello all, I was happy to see the discussion move away from gear for awhile even tho I'm a big gearhead. However I've got to jump in with my 2 cents.... I once had a Digitech PMC-10. Actually I had five. Sequentually. They were all defective. I still have one now, which doesn't work. I loved the device, I was using it for sending notes, CC info etc. But I didn't have a computer at the time [no back-up] and it had a nasty habit of erasing all the stored programs, and was a real pain to reprogram with the cheesy little "remote". I went to the PMC-10 from an ART X-11, the only MIDI controller I was aware of at the time. VERY limited functionality. I've long needed a controller that could send out different program changes on different MIDI channels. The PMC did this and much else in an elegant manner, but was ultimately useless in the real world... and I'm very gentle with my equipment. I'm now using a Ground Control, and while it won't do all I'd like, I *trust* it. Sorry to be so long-winded about this, but this really touches a nerve with me. Equipment is expensive. The Digitech cost $250 new, which may not be a lot for some, but is a whole lot for others. I will never buy anything else from Digitech, which I realise is probably not fair to them, but I need dependability. If there are other pedals around, does anyone know anything about them? The Jamman must be used with MIDI control, in my opinion. I'd love to have an Echoplex now, but that's out of reach for now. Begging everyone's indulgence.... "Where the artists keep free no other sort or condition of man long remains bound." --Horace Meyer Kallen John Michael Beard http://www.flash.net/~jbstudio From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 00:25:21 1997 >From kflint Wed Jun 25 23:30:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wh849-00021D-00; Wed, 25 Jun 1997 23:30:01 -0700 From: "Angie Rice" To: Subject: Re: Pedals Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 01:27:30 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199706260426.2202300@taascforce.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"aTQVLD.A.YxB.Ewgsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/510 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 23:30:01 -0700 X-UIDL: 93a5a2327282793571622bd16553f386 > If there are other pedals around, does anyone know anything about them? > The Jamman must be used with MIDI control, in my opinion. I'd love to have > an Echoplex now, but that's out of reach for now. Begging everyone's > indulgence.... Has anyone ever tried using a ZOOM 8050 midi control pedal? I had one for a while with a 9030 fx processor, but I never used it with anything other than the zoom so I can't say anything about it's compatibility with something like the jambeast. I know you could program it to do tap tempo delays on the zoom and it had two jacks for c/v pedals. It was really well made and never went out on me at a gig, so maybe it'd be an option for some. Justin Rice From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 00:25:22 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 26 00:27:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wh8y1-0004bv-00; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 00:27:45 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 03:24:47 -0400 (EDT) From: BlkSwan03@aol.com Message-ID: <970626032446_-958665796@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Nico and Robert Rich Resent-Message-ID: <"T5bcCB.A.qME.Amhsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/511 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 00:27:45 -0700 X-UIDL: a6fd1243c35afbb628d2a11112e0a9bf In a message dated 6/25/97 8:07:39 AM, you wrote: << Velvet Underground/Nico --- "It was Pleasure Then" This is a real great song>> If you like this, check out Nico's solo catalogue. In particular, "The Marble Index", "Desertshore" "The End" and "Camera Obscura". These are all quite amazing recordings the likes of which have not occurred before or since. Nico's approach was utterly original, and helped along by John Cale's production, created recordings of haunting beauty. Extraordinary voice, great lryicist, and hell, I have a real weakness for harmonium (or pump organ) and this was Nico's main instrument. Also, "The End" features Phil Manzanera on electric guitar and Brian Eno (a big fan) on the EMS Synthi AKS. Light some candles and check it out. No one seems to have mentioned Robert Rich at all, so I think I'll just take the opportunity. Robert is currently recording on the Fathom label, a dark ambient offshoot of Hearts of Space. There are many recordings, on other labels as well, and in collaboration with people such as B. Lustmord and Steve Roach. I haven't heard everything, but I can recommend "A Troubled Resting Place" , a collection of Robert Rich pieces. Real floatation tank stuff. (Robert knows his way around a loop and the studio. ) Also "Stalker" with Lustmord. Very dark. Also check out what you can find of Lustmord. He puts the H in haunting. "Soma" with Steve Roach is good too. Fathom has a website: www.fathomusic.com. Robert has a very informative site at: www.amoeba.com/rrich/rr.html. Jim From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 09:19:22 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 26 03:49:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0whC7E-0002o5-00; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 03:49:28 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19970626051205.0069ec14@flash.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 01:06:47 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Pedals Resent-Message-ID: <"j_c18.A.ChC.Kjksz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/512 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 03:49:28 -0700 X-UIDL: ede6e7938e8367e21bbc61f05709f787 >Hello all, > I was happy to see the discussion move away from gear for awhile even tho >I'm a big gearhead. However I've got to jump in with my 2 cents.... I once >had a Digitech PMC-10. Actually I had five. Sequentually. They were all >defective. I still have one now, which doesn't work. I loved the device, I >was using it for sending notes, CC info etc. But I didn't have a computer at >the time [no back-up] and it had a nasty habit of erasing all the stored >programs, and was a real pain to reprogram with the cheesy little "remote". I was warned about that problem too. Digitech supposedly put out a software upgrade to fix it. I got mine from a guy who had gotten the upgrade and assured me that he hadn't had the data loss crash happen since. For $100 it was worth the risk, and so far I haven't had any trouble with that. I hate the remote too, it's definitely the stupidest part about that pedal. I've had to fix it twice already, and the next time I'm going to rebuild it with a decent cable so that it never breaks again. Still, these things are a total steal on the used market, I think. The midi implementation is very comprehensive. > If there are other pedals around, does anyone know anything about them? The people I know who can afford to try and buy anything they want, all use the Rocktron All Access pedal. It's extrmely well constructed and does at least everything the pmc-10 does, probably a lot more. You pay a lot for it though. Those were the folks who suggested the pmc-10 to me, since the roctron was out of my price range at the time. Most of them were using the pmc-10 until the rocktron came out. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 09:19:34 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 26 09:00:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0whGxy-0003Fu-00; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 09:00:14 -0700 Message-ID: <01BC8228.B24B18E0@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Fripp's Loops on the G3 Tour Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:01:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DsCqQD.A.OsC.QEpsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/513 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 09:00:14 -0700 X-UIDL: 58feccc187cd1de50174b0f345dd63d9 OK. Let's put it another way. Has anyone seen any looping performers recently? Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ---------- From: Mark Kata[SMTP:Mark@asisoftware.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 1997 3:37 PM To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: Fripp's Loops on the G3 Tour Has anyone seen Fripp looping on the G3 Tour? How was he? Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 09:19:36 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 26 09:13:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0whHAz-0004L9-00; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 09:13:41 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 26 Jun 1997 11:11:20 -0700 From: "Hartnett, Travis" Subject: Fripp on G3 To: "Loopers Delight postings" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.0.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"Ahw93C.A.kzD.TSpsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/514 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 09:13:41 -0700 X-UIDL: d6ee9516e8fbe1035196d59beceb2685 Someone was asking if anyone had seen Fripp on the G3 tour. I haven't, but here are two accounts of those who did (I've deleted various non-Fripp info from the original posts): From: Mike Stack Subject: G3 Review, mostly... Hi there. Last night was the G3 show in Hartford, so myself and two of my friends headed over to check out RF, basically. Showed up around 6pm or so, were checking out the merchandise when we heard RF starting up. Headed in, checked out the show. He played from 6-7:20 or so, sat off to my left (we were pretty much dead center). Lots of interesting stuff, seemed to be a lot more chordal strumming than on the albums he's put out. At one point towards the end of RF's set, some idiot started screaming and yelling and banging the chair in front of him. Fripp got louder. Idiot got louder. Fripp got louder. Fripp also looked somewhat annoyed at this point. A few interesting notes about RF's performance -most the crowd didn't give a damn, including some guy dressed all snazzily in his business suit, who didn't shut up the whole night. -RF occasionally got up, took off his guitar, and walked further to my left to talk to someone else. Don't know who. -RF wore a white shirt untucked and black pants, while switching to a black shirt during the encore (more later...). -No one smoked anything illegal during Fripp's set, something that couldn't be said for the rest. Encore. Satch announces KWS, RF, and Vai. Opener was a tune called "I'm Going Down". Somewhere in the solo breaks, RF got the nod from Satch. Could barely hear his solo. Nothing special. Followed by Zappa's "My Guitar Wants to Kill Your Mama". Didn't like the vocals, or the soloing. Fripp was not given one. Followed by the Kinks' "You Really Got Me". More really bad vocals, sounded like KWS, Vai and Satch never heard the Kinks verson of the tune either. More true to Van Halen. Fripp was heard once in this one. The second time the riff came, I heard him screaming, then he was shut down. Last song was a blues tune which for some reason said Stevie Ray Vaughan to me, though I couldn't place it. Ego war between Vai and KWS. Fripp took an organ solo practically (sounded like an organ at least, think he's been hanging out with Adrian too much...:). Vai and KWS got progressively louder during the song. All in all, fairly disappointing encore as such things go. (and another account) ate: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 21:44:10 -0400 (EDT) From: AACUNZO@xray3.chem.sunysb.edu Subject: G3 SPOILERS - I swear I didn't make this up Hello ET, WARNING: This post contains spoilers regarding the G3 shows. Skip it if you don't want to know about the shows yet. With that out of the way, I must start off by thanking Simon Beauchemin for his warning in ET #388 regarding Fripp playing before the scheduled show times on the G3 tour. Because of his post I made sure to get to the Jones Beach show extra early. And BTW, whoever is responsible for this setup made a really stupid decision - although most of the people seeing this tour probably don't know Fripp, some people paid good money because they wanted to see him, and having him go on before the scheduled show time is pretty inconsiderate. They should have just printed the correct time on the tickets. Anyway, the show time was supposedly 7:30. When we were allowed to enter the venue (around 6:45), Fripp was already on stage playing. The place was empty, and we walked right up to the front and got to stay there for most of his set, (which lasted a little over an hour, I think) even though our seats were farther back. It was great hearing soundscapes over a concert PA; you can really feel the vibrations through your seat and your body in the louder passages. I don't want to try to describe what the soundscapes sounded like, but as the place filled up during his set, I was trying to guage people's reactions to Fripp. Although I did hear a few people making fun of him, a lot of people seemed intrigued by these strange sounds - this may have something to do with the number of guitar players in the audience, though - "How the hell is he doing that?" :) Fripp's set was followed by Kenny Wayne Shepard, Steve Vai, and Joe Satriani. Now we get to the fun part. At the end of Satriani's set, the other three guitarists joined him onstage for the encores. It really was quite a sight - at center stage were a 19 year old blues guitarist and two "shredders" (I like some of Vai's and Satriani's stuff, but let's face it - these guys aren't exactly known for their subtlety, especially Vai). And off on stage right was an older Englishman on a stool in a white shirt and black vest. The whole encore was just a surreal experience. The first song they did I guess was called "Goin' Down." Each guy took a solo spot, including Fripp, although I couldn't hear his solo too well. Then came "My Guitar Wants to Kill Your Mama" and "You Really Got Me." Fripp didn't take any solos in these songs, although he played rhythm throughout all the songs. And then to finish the night off, they played "Red House." Yes, Fripp played a straight 12-bar blues - I never thought I would see that! And on this song, he did take a solo - using a Hammond Organ sound on his guitar! It was just a normal sounding blues organ solo, except I think he went higher than the range of any organ. :) I think he used the organ sound during the whole song, but there was so much sound coming from the stage it was hard to tell! Everyone looked like they were having a blast during the encores - I even saw Fripp smiling several times! When Satriani introduced them all at the end of the show Fripp got a good response from the crowd (although not as loud as the "stars" did.) Satriani and Fripp left the stage with their arms around each other. All in all it was a pretty good night, if only because I got the amazing chance to witness Fripp going from "small, mobile, intelligent unit" to "Wild Thing" Fripp in the span of about five hours. :) Let the games begin, Andy Acunzo aacunzo@ccmail.sunysb.edu P.S. Never in my wildest dreams did I think I'd ever get to see Robert Fripp play "Red House" and "You Really Got Me." P.P.S. I was thankful that at the end of Fripp's set he didn't return to the stage in leather pants and no shirt, as Steve Vai did. From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 23:27:27 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 26 14:48:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0whMPJ-0005FQ-00; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 14:48:49 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970626140628.005c9b10@mail.well.com> X-Sender: dog@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 14:06:28 -0700 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: dan mcmullen Subject: new plexer: blinking undo? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"fjBns.A.lhE.uKusz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/515 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 14:48:49 -0700 X-UIDL: 9bc30b96d1cb1e214c04718dcfc7bc0b hello all! just found an echoplex dp in a small music shop in northern california: yippy! i am a bit confused by the undo led: often it seems that i can long-press-undo back to a certain point at which the undo light will come on at the beginning of the loop, then go off somewhere before the loop ends. at this point long-press or short press seems to have no effect, even when short pressing while the undo led is on: the on-off cycle time seems to be fixed. what's going on here? why is the led on at all if no effect can be obtained using the button? also, if rumors of rom updates "real soon now" are true, does anyone know if there be a grace period for recent purchasers to upgrade at minimal cost? thanks! dan ___ dan mcmullen don't worry - pay attention dog@well.com 415.681-0712 pgp public key id = 0A25C54D (finger dog@well.com for current key) fingerprint = E4 F9 24 00 8C 1F 69 48 3B 09 C4 9A 09 59 43 0E From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 23:27:28 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 26 15:01:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0whMbK-0006Sa-00; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:01:14 -0700 Message-Id: <199706262155.OAA16537@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: new plexer: blinking undo? Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 14:59:54 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"KZCbI.A.ziF.mVusz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/516 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:01:14 -0700 X-UIDL: afacc97e07784404e2e48828a025e3e8 > From: dan mcmullen > i am a bit confused by the undo led: often it seems that i can Ahhh...perPLEXed by the undo led huh? (sorry...I couldn't resist) From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 23:27:31 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 26 15:19:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0whMt8-0000Qn-00; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:19:38 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:12:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Pete Koniuto Sender: Pete Koniuto Reply-To: Pete Koniuto Subject: Caryn Lin and horn-blowing To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"-UMjqB.A.KD.Tousz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/517 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:19:38 -0700 X-UIDL: 2950149bbaab8b1c0c0d5e476a50b6c9 J. Durant wrote: > Pete- > Thanks for the kind words re: Caryn, Robby and me. Actually, > it's not so much about being bashful, more a question of is > this an ad or a legit posting. I hope it's taken as the latter. > Oh, and I will see you at the Johnny D's gig. Look for > me off to the side of the stage somewhere. (There aren't too > many places to hide there, as I recall.) Sounds great, and if we happen to cross paths, i'll buy you a cold one! Anyone else in the Boston area going to be able to join us at the Caryn Lin show? (Yes, to those wondering, she's that phenomenal electric violin-/violist you may have seen/heard together at some point with Bon Lozaga. In fact, she mentioned perfoming with Bon and Happy Rhodes in Philadelphia sometime in September--definitely worth the road trip for me! Jon, any word on that gig?) Details on Caryn Lin's upcoming Boston gig: -Tuesday, 1 July, 8:30p. -Johnny D.'s, Davis Square, Somerville. -$5 cover. -Also appearing: David Ormond-Thomas & Aaron Hsu-Flanders (guitar duo, s'posed to be pretty damned hot) All the best, Pete Koniuto ----------------- Music Library Boston University 617-353-3753 pkoniuto@bu.edu ----------------- From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 23:27:38 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 26 16:37:06 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0whO65-0007NX-00; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:37:05 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 19:31:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Squidlyguy@aol.com Message-ID: <970626193107_846272035@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: echoplex Resent-Message-ID: <"Qm0PND.A.ShG.Lwvsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/518 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:37:05 -0700 X-UIDL: 021cce3136c4780bfd60caa012a6e8a0 I'm a new member of this list, but am a huge fan of Torn (as well as others). My question is simple, an probably an old one. Where's the best place to get an Echoplex from? I had the number of a place on the web that was selling them for around $500 -$550, but can't locate it anymore. Also, have they worked out some of the bugs that older plex owners often complained about? Thanx for any help - I've been waiting to embark on the journey of looping for a long time now! Brian From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 23:27:47 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 26 17:58:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0whPMJ-0005mC-00; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:57:55 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:50:37 -0400 (EDT) From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: <970626205028_-1226906931@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fripp's Loops on the G3 Tour Resent-Message-ID: <"_slKk.A.ywE.s6wsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/519 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:57:55 -0700 X-UIDL: 0b65f94ae4beb1b18577b38bca622203 I have the best loopers delight for acoustic guitar. $9.00 negotiable From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 23:27:47 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 26 17:58:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0whPMT-0005nP-00; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:58:05 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:51:10 -0400 (EDT) From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: <970626205110_159437901@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ground Control with Echoplex Resent-Message-ID: <"asfqCB.A.9yE.96wsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/520 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:58:05 -0700 X-UIDL: b27d8ab9c56389e9f076bce5f5f21240 I have the best loopers delight for acoustic guitar $9.00 negotiable. From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 23:27:48 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 26 17:58:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0whPN5-0005qd-00; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:58:43 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:52:00 -0400 (EDT) From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: <970626205159_1046041294@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: gig Resent-Message-ID: <"siU2H.A.X6E.67wsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/521 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:58:43 -0700 X-UIDL: 84a496e285ad4b3886de9739b558f64e The best acoustic guitar for loopers $9.00 negotiable. From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 23:27:48 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 26 18:01:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0whPPq-0006Az-00; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:01:34 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:54:02 -0400 (EDT) From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: <970626205401_136081744@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Acoustic guitar for loopers Resent-Message-ID: <"HDfCnC.A.8LF.H-wsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/522 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:01:34 -0700 X-UIDL: 048fc6d86059d0348cf5375e780e0fc0 I have the best acoustic guitar demo tape for loopers. $9.00 negotiable. Write me, I'm not shittin' From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 23:27:52 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 26 18:18:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0whPfh-0000Bt-00; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:17:57 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:55:59 -0400 (EDT) From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: <970626205555_-1797176012@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Fripp's Loops on the G3 Tour Resent-Message-ID: <"XUCsvD.A.MEH.PPxsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/527 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:17:57 -0700 X-UIDL: e43f3afd2e16571dc014542645638526 Fripp sucks, try me on acoustic $9.00 negotiable. From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 23:27:49 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 26 18:05:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0whPTC-0006av-00; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:05:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:57:37 -0400 (EDT) From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: <970626205730_1825520978@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Nico and Robert Rich Resent-Message-ID: <"vsYnXB.A.pfF.FBxsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/523 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:05:02 -0700 X-UIDL: f939021d35b256b5e1fe5a7c53cd61d6 Loopers delight introduces the finest acoustic samples $9.00 neg. From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 23:27:50 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 26 18:06:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0whPUE-0006i0-00; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:06:07 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:58:37 -0400 (EDT) From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: <970626205834_-2012946093@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: jam man questions Resent-Message-ID: <"sy-x4B.A.UnF.ICxsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/524 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:06:07 -0700 X-UIDL: 2ac87f58159f09daead6179bca538ab9 Loopers delight the finest acoustic on lexicon. $9.00 neg. From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 23:27:51 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 26 18:07:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0whPUy-0006nf-00; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:06:53 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:59:23 -0400 (EDT) From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: <970626205918_-1226906924@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: IPS-33B Resent-Message-ID: <"9SAGp.A.etF.-Cxsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/525 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:06:53 -0700 X-UIDL: c7e4c31d976a7851bdd50502bdc7ac38 The John Wayne project introduces the loopers delight $9.00 neg. From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 23:27:51 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 26 18:12:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0whPaK-0007PF-00; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:12:24 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970626180552.00a6cb30@pure.pureatria.com> X-Sender: sechevar@pure.pureatria.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:05:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Acoustic guitar for loopers In-Reply-To: <970626205401_136081744@emout06.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"kXqWGD.A.lQG.pHxsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/526 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:12:24 -0700 X-UIDL: 2af54cf98f30f4bf60cbf77da268610c Hey Kim, Can you setup the list (in your copious free time) to reject mail from certain individuals that prove themselves a nuisance? Sean At 08:54 PM 6/26/97 -0400, you wrote: >I have the best acoustic guitar demo tape for loopers. $9.00 negotiable. > Write me, I'm not shittin' > > > From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 23:27:54 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 26 19:02:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0whQNG-0003pa-00; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 19:02:58 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970627015635.006bcc5c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:56:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Acoustic guitar for loopers Resent-Message-ID: <"k-4wF.A.pXD.l6xsz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/528 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 19:02:58 -0700 X-UIDL: 7ef11da37806756f9cb412ef073c352f At 06:05 PM 6/26/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hey Kim, > >Can you setup the list (in your copious free time) to reject mail from >certain individuals that prove themselves a nuisance? how am I supposed to tell the nuisances from all the rest of you? :-) I'm pretty sure I can do that, I'll look into it. kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 23:27:55 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 26 20:02:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0whRIl-0000De-00; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:02:23 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706270258.WAA02937@shell.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@monmouth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: Fripp, etc on G3; actual attendee!! Resent-Message-ID: <"1G43M.A.ZTH.Nyysz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/529 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:02:23 -0700 X-UIDL: 46fa4ca7f635a2ba63c868ff0f6d8910 hello i actually went to the G3 show... again - and it was great. Sorry. I love pretty much ALL guitar music.... so the WHOLE show was great for me - why do we have to be so polarized, dissing types of music we don't find our favorite ? i love when discussions like this come up and expose the insecure, closed minds where they are... my one complaint was the lameness of (the organizers? the venue?) for putting Fripp on at 6:00 pm !!! that sucked !! we got there at 7:30 (duh! like the ticket said...) and RF was well into his set. What we saw was very cool - pretty much right off the "Soundscapes/Live" CDs ---lotsa synth clouds. I only wished he would whip out the awesome RF patent-applied-for distorted solo tone and play over the loops.... But you know our RF - he made his mind up to not do this and so it will never happen. oh well. well, KWS was really cool - his press is quite a bit over-hyped - being compared to Stevie R.V., who himself was very overhyped, but great tones, good blues. Vai/Keneally rocked - has anyone here actually heard the new Vai CD yet ? it's incredible... and Satch is one of the funnest guitarists to watch and hear - Back to RF - during the encores, as well, he played only the tiny lil synth tone, which was near inaudible against 3 roaring overdriven guitars, but why be pissed at the three ?? Fripp should've went for a more biting tone, but... again - he's gotta be different AT ALL COSTS. i like the comment about who wore what.... that's REAL relevant to the discussion. I always love it when us erudite, arty guitarists are confronted by other "fellow??" musicians who have a little more extrovertive relationship with the guitar, like Mr Vai... there's perhaps no more maligned plucker than he... so he can play fast, so what... have some of his critics acftually heard the BIG picture ?? heard all his diverse releases?? heard ALL the stuff he did with Zappa ?? Read any of his effusive praise for many, many other musicians and their music. someone said "in one of the encores ....Fripp was not given ...a solo. Look, i think Fripp played where and when he wanted to play...! another bright moment ">....Last song was a blues tune which for some reason said Stevie Ray Vaughan to me, though I couldn't place it. Ego war between Vai and KWS. This "unknown song" was only RED HOUSE by some guy, uh,, Lonny Hendricks, I think. has anyone heard of him... he didn't loop, but did some ok stuff. all in all - i guess there's a little high school left in all of us...! peace thru music (all music) andre' From ???@??? Thu Jun 26 23:27:57 1997 >From kflint Thu Jun 26 21:46:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0whSvl-0006Xz-00; Thu, 26 Jun 1997 21:46:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199706270444.VAA24716@usr07.primenet.com> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Fripp's Loops on the G3 Tour Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 21:44:02 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lMN2UB.A.46F.XU0sz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/530 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 21:46:45 -0700 X-UIDL: ba303238aa5856362bf3643484d1a7fc > OK. Let's put it another way. Has anyone seen any looping performers recently? Attention folks! My friends, Oil Junkys, use an array of equipment, including an ancient Echoplex, to produce their music, which could be classified as electronic in some circles. Tuesday, July 1, 8pm, they're playing with Don Preston (one of the original Mothers, also played with Coltrane) at Lumpy Gravy here in LA. The club is located at 7311 Beverly Boulevard in Los Angeles. It is right next door to the Art Store and across the street from El Coyote. There is valet parking in back (or at least there was last time I went). Call (213) 934-9400 for more information. The bistro has dinner service and now has a liquor license. (Pretty fine too!) There is also corkage for those so inclined. I'll be there, amongst others, though to listen, but would like to get a bunch of folks out for this. Stephen Goodman * Download The Loop Of The Week and more! EarthLight Studios * http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios *--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Jun 27 09:58:13 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 27 00:35:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0whVZS-0007TF-00; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:35:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 08:32:28 +0100 Message-ID: <0004E1D9.1424@mail.bl.uk> From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) Subject: Return of the son of looping near London: a gig To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"4rqiWC.A.W2G.5y2sz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/531 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:35:54 -0700 X-UIDL: fbd6d65cc1f0f20e087160c0351f19c9 Status: U For those in the London, UK area: I will (re)appearing at the Croydon Clocktower Balcony Bar next Thursday, 3rd July from 1-2pm (free entry). Further details of location, including a map, available from: Cheers David From ???@??? Fri Jun 27 09:58:27 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 27 08:44:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0whdC4-0002WP-00; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 08:44:16 -0700 Message-Id: <199706271537.IAA29150@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Tiktok plays tonight! Date: Fri, 27 Jun 97 10:38:20 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" , "Kels" , "Janis Adams" , "adelyn botto" , "Charles Coker" , "Jennifer Cook" , "Jimmy de la Rosa" , "Bruce Gimble" , "William Hurley" , "Kerry Keels" , "Beth Macom" , "Patrick Lemire" , "Patrick Lemire" , "Laurie Miller" , "Jon Matis" , "Mike Pell" , "Renee Phillips" , "Renee Phillips" , "Brandon Powell" , "Vinka Quintana" , "Nadine Romig" , "Paul Valente" , "Camille von Eberstein" , "Gretchen von Ebertstein" , "Paula Wilbourne" , "Charles and Wilson" , "Kim Corbet" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"zV3j1.A._7B.859sz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/533 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 08:44:16 -0700 X-UIDL: c66f82090a9d2886c21871448fdfe702 Status: U For those of you in the Austin area: Tiktok, Austin's premier ambient improvisers, will be performing tonight (Friday, June 27) at Spiderhouse Coffeehouse, between 7 and 9PM. Spiderhouse is on Fruth Street, across the road from the central Trudy's, behind the old Antone's location. We'll be playing out in the garden. Tiktok (Travis Hartnett and Jon Matis) From ???@??? Fri Jun 27 09:58:19 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 27 07:08:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0whbhE-0004gV-00; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 07:08:20 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'loopers delight'" Subject: Fripp and G3,spammers Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:03:39 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 34 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: <"KGDROB.A.NIE.1h8sz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/532 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 07:08:20 -0700 X-UIDL: 143c589e9ddd27ee98fdc53fc629834b Status: U re: "Red House" I've seen some posts to some lists (elephant-talk, sylvian) about the G3 tour A lot of younger people are not familiar with Hendrix (lonnie or Jimi) 8-} Probably the same guys that think Eddie Van Halen invented the guitar. There is a Live G3 album out from the earlier tour with Eric Johnson. It's pretty good. Satch's set smokes, I really like his playing on Cool No.9 Vai's set is over the wall but some good moments, I'm not a big fan of EJ so I've been skipping his set to get to Vai and the Jams (I've only got a 40min ride to work) Vai plays some good runs on Zappa's "My Guitar want to kill your Mama" during the Jams. I'd recommend this CD to you guitar freaks. RE: Fripp and tone Some have commented that Fripp was playing a organ sound with his Roland synth on "Red House" and the audience was looking for the Keyboard Player. I'm sure he got a chuckle out of that. RE: Spammers I always e-mail a spammer back with a nasty reply. Might take a minute but it adds noise to his replies. later loopy friends John From ???@??? Fri Jun 27 09:58:29 1997 >From kflint Fri Jun 27 09:04:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0whdVY-0003sw-00; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 09:04:24 -0700 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:58:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Pete Koniuto Subject: pedals To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"OWvXRC.A.jTD.FO-sz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/534 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 09:04:24 -0700 X-UIDL: 81c4f98e61eca52943242ecfc74c0064 Status: U Anyone ever use a Digitech Control Seven with a Jamman? I don't have a midi controller yet and have the opportunity to pick one of these up REAL cheap. Had never heard of it until recently. I'd only be using with the Jamman. Thanks, Pete ----------------- Music Library Boston University 617-353-3753 pkoniuto@bu.edu ----------------- From ???@??? Sun Jun 29 00:44:11 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 28 07:46:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0whyly-0005si-00; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 07:46:46 -0700 Message-Id: <199706281443.HAA24971@marge.cyber-dyne.com> From: "Marc Roche" To: Subject: looping devices Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 07:41:38 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"X4QI6B.A.XUF.4LStz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/535 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 07:46:46 -0700 X-UIDL: 28b37c8af37bd7ebf6097c271c483fb0 Live with mindfullness of all living things I have an antique looping device you may not have heard of, the digitech PDS 8000 8 sec. digital delay/sampler. It's sample resolution isn't the greatest and finding the right tempo to make the sample length come out right will send you around the bend, but hell, I bought it in "88 and it's what got me started with looping. BTY what do you think about the Akai Remix? Is it a good product? Better than the Oberheim? I'm using the Jamman now and I want to upgrade. Thanks, Ciao, Salaam. From ???@??? Sun Jun 29 00:44:14 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 28 08:44:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0whzfU-0007nl-00; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:44:08 -0700 From: submitking@web3.cybermirror1.com X-Note: Visit http://www.cyberpromo.com to read about the bulk email saga. Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 11:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706281555.LAA22814@web3.cybermirror1.com> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"QX1mtC.A.9LH.5CTtz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/536 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:44:08 -0700 X-UIDL: 8b600ac2200f9437f9b598994d7d7b62 More hits to your page! Subject: More hits is GOOD! Greetings from SUBMITKING, the leader in automated URL submissions! After many months of programming we're pleased to announce that from just the one form you fill out we'll now submit your URL to TWO HUNDRED marketing resources (search engines, award sites, etc.) for just $19.95! Why are we the "King of Submissions?" We've spent THOUSANDS of hours searching the 'Net for the TWO HUNDRED top marketing resources that apply to the HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF SITES. Which means over 95% of the sites on our list will apply to your URL. Check out our list of marketing resources. 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Sun Jun 29 00:44:15 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 28 10:03:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wi0uQ-0003Nu-00; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 10:03:38 -0700 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 12:59:57 -0400 (EDT) From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <970628125957_-1394861243@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looping devices Resent-Message-ID: <"X8xgdC.A.LAD.PNUtz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/537 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 10:03:38 -0700 X-UIDL: 8d4cf04bfb3c84b83256ac5459466ad5 In a message dated 6/28/97 11:00:24 AM, you wrote: <> Antique but still usefull. While it lacks the Jmans/Plex ability to accurately define loop lengths via "Tap Tempo" the 8 sec. loop length is still darn good. I picked up the rac version - rds 8000- 6 months ago for $130. The reason I got it was because of the ambiguousity of the loop length---delay times/loop length are set by turning a knob and not by the more accurate "tap/tempo" Jman/Plex method. Is this a short coming? Not always. Sometimes (such as ambient type things) it's good to just play and let the loop come back at you without having to be constricted by a time frame. Well, you could, some would say, do the same thing on the Jman/Plex by just randomly tapping in the start/end points. Yes, but I've always had the sneaky suspician that no matter how random you were you would still be syncing to something-heart beat, bio rythm etc. ;). So, with this in mind, some of the ways I use the Digi rds 8000 in conjunction w/the Jman are as follows: 1) Sync. a defined loop wtih the Jman over a running left handed Stick(R) bass line. While keeping that going layer an ambiguously defined loop -ambient or rythmic-on the rds 8000 and let the two loops (+running/rythmic "live" Stick part) float together/apart while soloing or adding more layers with the right hand on the melody side of the Stick. 2) Start out layering long volume swelly chords on the rds 8000, hold the loop (it does have that ability), determine the turn around point of the ambigous loop and sync the Jman to that (tap/tempo) then build a differently textured loop on the Jman. 3)After doing either of the above throw either (both?) looper into fade/layer mode and go back to buiding new loops on the unit that's fading. In this way you can have loops that are continually morphing and intertwining In short, I like the idea of not having total contol over everthing. It's nice to be able to recreate rythmic/loop patterns as the basis for compositions or as springboards for improvisation and for this the tap/tempo function is a must. But every once in a while it's nice to let the machines talk back at you on their own terms. -- Paul From ???@??? Sun Jun 29 00:44:18 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 28 12:27:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wi39e-0001KZ-00; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 12:27:30 -0700 Message-Id: <199706281925.MAA14268@dsp.net> From: "James Reynolds" To: Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 12:19:38 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"kfgxF.A.xGB.XUWtz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/538 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 12:27:30 -0700 X-UIDL: e890bff7ac3429fa783875ff6265e9a7 ArrghhhH! Spam on the LD list! It's the beginning of the end!!! >You won't find a bunch of sites that no longer >exist or only accept links about Emus (or some other specific topic) on >OUR list of sites. Hmmm, I didn't know Emu made a looper... James From ???@??? Sun Jun 29 00:44:27 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 28 14:44:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wi5IB-0006hf-00; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 14:44:27 -0700 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 17:41:21 -0400 (EDT) From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: <970628174121_-627152442@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Acoustic guitar for loopers Resent-Message-ID: <"8V6WXD.A.tIG.AVYtz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/539 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 14:44:27 -0700 X-UIDL: e221ab05f3ef3883fe89c6f811cd2a81 My apologies to you and the elite group of folks I've insulted. In retrospect, tacky. Did not realize the negativity, Okay, Send me your demo and I send you mine. From ???@??? Sun Jun 29 00:44:28 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 28 15:12:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wi5j1-000066-00; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 15:12:11 -0700 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 18:09:02 -0400 (EDT) From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: <970628180857_-1495152036@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Apologies for Spamming, What my setup looks like. Resent-Message-ID: <"351O1D.A.5OH.9uYtz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/540 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 15:12:11 -0700 X-UIDL: ed181e38d60b78b83304a069f32b629e Recently, during one of my more brillant moments, I seemed to have highly irritated a lot of folks here at this site for attempting to sell some samples of acoustic guitar work at this site. My apologies to the site and those I've offended. I didn't realize that I was reposting messages to the site, nor was I aware of breaking any protocol. I do have some pretty nice stuff that I would trade (on tape) for anyone sending me samples of their work. Let me know. My setup for playing Acoustic guitar with the Jam-Man. 1 Cedar top handmade acoustic Koa back and sides, wood bindings Gives a sound similar to a dobro rosewood fingerboard (1995 Keller Guitars) 1 Sitka Spuce top, rosewood back and sides wood bindings (1992 Kellar Guitars) Big booming sharp sound. --------Input------Crate 125D-------Pre amp signal-----Lexicon Jam----Alesis compressor | | Live sound output (Mix on Crate is DLY or LPR, currently using LPR (large plate reverb). -----Tascam 4 track------Stewart 200 watt amp------Community Speakers and Monitors The key to all setups is guitar resonance and clarity. As a result, I push the treble, cut the mids and boost bass. Will tell you about the vocal mix in a subsequent letter. Both guitars are running the martin thinline series saddle pickup (which will not feedback). I typically choose to run Martin maquis light gauge strings. The Crate 125D may be the finest acoustic amp on the market today. Where I play, there currently is an absence of these amps (No one is using them). Every place where this setup is done, people have been extremely encouraging. Now, as a fellow looper, the Jam man is the icing on the cake. They hear good sound, but then they hear a 3 or 4 man band with one guy. It opens eyes every single time. Thanks! From ???@??? Sun Jun 29 00:44:30 1997 >From kflint Sat Jun 28 18:19:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wi8eb-0007H1-00; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 18:19:49 -0700 Message-ID: <33B5B88D.7E0FFB61@gte.net> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 21:21:17 -0400 From: future perfect X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Vol Pedal Constuction for Plex X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <970628180857_-1495152036@emout15.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Fhs8E.A.CrG.jebtz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/541 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 18:19:49 -0700 X-UIDL: ad636f6e0385b91a41a80fc831a39789 I want to build a passive volume pedal (out of an old Crybaby shell that I have) to be used with the Echoplex...I plan to use this with my Ground Control to control MIDI volume to the Plex. Any idea on what value potentiometer I should use?? Thanks! Dave ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 'If you don't know where you're going, you'll probably get there.' - Robert Fripp From ???@??? Sun Jun 29 11:58:16 1997 >From kflint Sun Jun 29 06:32:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wiK5G-00030X-00; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 06:32:06 -0700 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 09:28:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <970629092815_1478039752@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Apologies for Spamming, What my setup looks like. Resent-Message-ID: <"cjvI2D.A.mrC.vMmtz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/542 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 06:32:06 -0700 X-UIDL: 62c94116594d3f5e25b0ea7b7327129c <> Well, that's more like it...apology accepted gladly, as far as I'm concerned! Your setup is interesting! Thanks for the post dpc From ???@??? Sun Jun 29 11:58:17 1997 >From kflint Sun Jun 29 07:59:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wiLRv-000557-00; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 07:59:35 -0700 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 10:56:14 -0400 (EDT) From: ANET@aol.com Message-ID: <970629105613_1722528348@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Apologies for Spamming, What my setup looks like. Resent-Message-ID: <"ZqII2C.A.6mE.Mfntz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/543 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 07:59:35 -0700 X-UIDL: f72ba44f66b3f7178feca7c2af7bf565 All of the pieces of that setup are important; however, I've seen the CRATE125D take an average to above average guitar, say an upper-line Alvarez or even a $500.00 Yamaha with the pickup across the sound-hole and turn it into something like what I heard at the G3 tour when Adrian Legg ripped the strings off his guitar (not-really, but you know what I mean). On that amp I find this setting to be the best. Vol - whatever Piezo - Yes Low- 80% Mid- 40% High-50% effect send-30 to 60% depending on the effect Chorus depth- 20% Rate- 20% Output eq looks like a smile with the lowest point the 1khz at 50% Bass and Treble are 100% The effect is Large Plate reverb 1 mixed so that it's pretty high, For some strange reason, people love lots of "tasteful" reverb. By tasteful, I mean no sound-tunneling. Go to your local guitar shop and try this amp on an average guitar with these settings. You'll walk out of the store with the amp, guaranteed. P.S. I'm am not a CRATE person, however, whatever they did to make the amp, they did well. One note on the amp - It has built in bi-amping and at 125 watts, Screams. Your acoustic guitar playing will never be the same. I used to play in Boulder and Longmont Colorado, of which there are some very talented guitarists. One night, I brought my setup to a small bar, set it up and allowed some of the locals to play. Most of us are old hippies playing stuff like Crosby, Stills and Nash. Anyway, these two guys got up and plugged into the amp. They played Suite:Judy Blue Eyes, everyone's jaw dropped. You know one of those spiritual moments. Afterward, the chief guitar guy came up to me and said, I haven't heard a guitar sound like that in 20 years. In retrospect, I think he was relating to me the joy he remembered when he first started playing guitar as a child. By the way, you can hook up to three guitars into the amp or, two guitars and a Mic. If you sing, you need to change the output eq for additional presence on the mic. Great amp. Forget Marshall's or Trace Elliot or Roland acoustic amps, there not in the same league. From ???@??? Mon Jun 30 11:08:26 1997 >From kflint Sun Jun 29 23:11:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wiZg6-0000qE-00; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 23:11:10 -0700 Message-ID: <33B74E17.46EBF4E7@gte.net> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 02:11:35 -0400 From: future perfect X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b4 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Music Descriptions X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <970628125957_-1394861243@emout03.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"rifOeD.A.6k.v00tz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/544 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 23:11:10 -0700 X-UIDL: bdbcfafdd862a7e926c33942410b77fb Hi! I'd like to know how fellow loopers/experimental musicians describe their music to people. For instance: I'm always faced with re-vamping my promotional materials and looking for new ways to describe what I do. I also get a lot of questions at performances like, 'Uh, what type of music is that??' Are there any poetic/creative/insightful/concise descriptions floating around out there? Another concern is how to describe my music in a few words over the phone to venue owners/bookers. Launching into a rant about ambient or experimental music is rather esoteric and I gag on the phrase, 'new age', but to the unenlightened that is a simple (however sickening) description for the masses. Most people have a hard time relating to music (or anything!) that doesn't fit neatly into a popular genre. Shameless plug: check out the new sound clips at my web site and the availability of my new CD. Yeah! Dave -- ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 'If you don't know where you're going, you'll probably get there.' - Robert Fripp From ???@??? Mon Jun 30 11:08:27 1997 >From kflint Sun Jun 29 23:50:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wiaHd-0002Cj-00; Sun, 29 Jun 1997 23:49:57 -0700 X-Sender: doug@light.lightlink.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33B74E17.46EBF4E7@gte.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 02:51:40 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Doug Wyatt Subject: Re: Music Descriptions Resent-Message-ID: <"zr7H2.A.S7B.Ca1tz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/545 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 23:49:57 -0700 X-UIDL: ba63f9da1644d558014d813d1ea81d60 At 2:11 -0400 6/30/1997, future perfect wrote: > Hi! > I'd like to know how fellow loopers/experimental musicians describe > their music to people. For instance: I'm always faced with re-vamping my > promotional materials and looking for new ways to describe what I do. > I also get a lot of questions at performances like, 'Uh, what type of > music is that??' > Are there any poetic/creative/insightful/concise descriptions floating > around out there? > Another concern is how to describe my music in a few words over the > phone to venue owners/bookers. Launching into a rant about ambient or > experimental music is rather esoteric and I gag on the phrase, 'new > age', but to the unenlightened that is a simple (however sickening) > description for the masses. Most people have a hard time relating to > music (or anything!) that doesn't fit neatly into a popular genre. > Shameless plug: check out the new sound clips at my web site and the > availability of my new CD. Yeah! Hi Dave, Thought I'd delurk for this one ... a fairly similar discussion is happening on another list I'm on, right down to the pros and cons of the "new age" label. Like it or not, a record store consists of only so many Really Big Categories, and New Age is often the only choice. But of course, within each of those really big categories are many subcategories ... some mentioned were "contemporary instrumental" and "ambient/space/electronic" or some such. I found the latter a reasonable bin to put at least some of what I do into. Make up your own three or four words if necessary :) Nice web page; I'd like to hear the music. How's the tour been going? Doug --- Doug Wyatt music [,] software doug@sonosphere.com http://www.sonosphere.com/ new streaming audio samples: http://www.sonosphere.com/doug/music.html From ???@??? Mon Jun 30 11:08:30 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 30 02:44:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wid0T-0007P8-00; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 02:44:25 -0700 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 05:40:57 -0400 (EDT) From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <970630054056_880190544@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Music Descriptions Resent-Message-ID: <"jIJDL.A.ayG.l93tz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/546 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 02:44:25 -0700 X-UIDL: f5b333d59c114130905847fa6dfcedc0 << Are there any poetic/creative/insightful/concise descriptions floating around out there?>> "Mindscape Exploration" works for me :). - Paul From ???@??? Mon Jun 30 11:08:37 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 30 08:38:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wiiXD-0004RP-00; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 08:38:35 -0700 Message-Id: <199706301535.IAA26248@scv3.apple.com> Subject: Re: Music Descriptions Date: Mon, 30 Jun 97 10:33:57 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"0QDvP.A.kyD.ZH9tz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/550 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 08:38:35 -0700 X-UIDL: 4ef666cecfafc11b22d73f80545a0551 Tiktok bills itself as "ambient improvised instrumentals". "Ambient" is soon going to as tainted a label as "New Age", so I don't know what new term people will come up with. Tiktok (Travis Hartnett and Jon Matis) From ???@??? Mon Jun 30 11:08:30 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 30 04:42:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wier3-0002ME-00; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 04:42:49 -0700 Date: 30 Jun 97 07:36:57 EDT From: Jon Durant <74074.1316@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Music Descriptions Message-ID: <970630113656_74074.1316_GHP33-1@CompuServe.COM> Resent-Message-ID: <"RdHuwC.A.IDC.rr5tz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/547 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 04:42:49 -0700 X-UIDL: 4eafe405384b78679fa1906dc1dd8bee RE: Dave's big query about how to describe what we do: This is the central issue facing Alchemy Records as we're now in a distribution situation. Where do the retailers put our CDs? The loopage/ambient/whatever CDs (Caryn Lin, Brian Gingrich, myself) generally go in the New Age bins, because there aren't many other options. Some retailers *do* have Ambient sections, so we'll go in there. But in discussing the music, (ie to journalists) I try not to categorize our work, but to explain that it borrows elements from all manner of musics and blends them all together into a whole new musical idiom. This is what makes it interesting/exciting to the listener, and why radio and retail hate us so! (Actually, rumour has it that "new age radio" is responding well to the Alchemy releases. Not having a station near me that plays any ambient music at all, I can't verify this. But the reports that I'm receiving are very positive. Anyone heard anything on their local new age programs?) Later, Jon Durant From ???@??? Mon Jun 30 11:08:31 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 30 04:52:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wif02-0002hx-00; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 04:52:06 -0700 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 07:49:01 -0400 (EDT) From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <970630074901_1210136938@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: re:Re: ?really exciting new ebow effect! Resent-Message-ID: <"_bxS1.A.tbC.s15tz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/548 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 04:52:06 -0700 X-UIDL: cca4899d0339f50655dc953e81cd5d40 In a message dated 20/06/97 3:03:418:23, you write: << The problem with this effect is it is short lived. Unless you can change at lot of almost dead batteries quickly? >> Or simulate a dying battery by putting a resistor in series. ANDY (UK) From ???@??? Mon Jun 30 11:08:32 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 30 06:53:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wigtZ-0006sD-00; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 06:53:34 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970630095052.00691b88@infinitesound.com> X-Sender: verner@infinitesound.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 09:50:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: verner@infinitesound.com Subject: Music Descriptions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"9lN-BD.A.uRG.cm7tz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/549 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 06:53:34 -0700 X-UIDL: 238e5217837ba3cf01421da8b7723656 I record for Spotted Peccary Music. We use the term 'Ambient Atmospheric.' This feels OK with me. Unfortunately, retailers put music into the New Age bin when they don't know where else to put it! J. Arif Verner Infinite Sound Studio http://www.infinitesound.com/ PS - Great to find another Nico fan on the board. She is incredible! From ???@??? Mon Jun 30 18:19:27 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 30 17:14:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wiqaf-0007dm-00; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 17:14:41 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 18:32:32 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: MIDI Patch Bay Resent-Message-ID: <"JGw0mC.A.40G.YrEuz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/560 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 17:14:41 -0700 X-UIDL: 5502016532bade9627229eb1ed40f6df I'm beginning to investigate picking up one of these. Any personal favorites out there in loop land. I think I need at least 5 in's and 6(probably more) outs. So at least a 6x8. Recently there was a thread regarding music. I recently picked up Aurora by KK Null and James Plotkin. VEry dark, I suspect they use loop boxes, but I'm not sure. Not for the New Age crowd...... Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Mon Jun 30 11:08:39 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 30 09:46:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wijav-0001Qg-00; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 09:46:29 -0700 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:36:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199706301636.LAA11038@mail1.texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@mail.texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Re: Music Descriptions Resent-Message-ID: <"UL2ZH.A.jm.6C-tz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/551 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 09:46:29 -0700 X-UIDL: 80d09e23667c9f2f25c053b393a0aa86 hi folks, i have always thought that Robert Fripp's "Soundscapes" was a very appropriate name for music of this type... my 1st looping project was a collection of pieces,,i entitled " Music to make you leave the room by",,,that way no one could complain if they stayed.... the term "New Age" makes me physically i'll... but i've never hit anyone for using this term to describe some of the music i do,,,havent even purged my dinner on their shoes... james rhodes From ???@??? Mon Jun 30 11:08:39 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 30 10:09:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wijww-00033O-00; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:09:14 -0700 Message-Id: <199706301656.JAA21516@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: Music Descriptions Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 09:59:45 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"n33r9B.A.WBC.FV-tz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/552 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:09:14 -0700 X-UIDL: e177f0497ab46ded5e0629010a19ca3f > From: future perfect > Are there any poetic/creative/insightful/concise descriptions floating > around out there? "Ambient Guitar Noise" is my phrase of choice.... Matt From ???@??? Mon Jun 30 11:47:36 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 30 11:38:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wijww-00033O-00; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:09:14 -0700 Message-Id: <199706301656.JAA21516@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: Subject: Re: Music Descriptions Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 09:59:45 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"n33r9B.A.WBC.FV-tz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/552 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:09:14 -0700 X-UIDL: 53d72ddb47f5fbefd2e07509903a2082 > From: future perfect > Are there any poetic/creative/insightful/concise descriptions floating > around out there? "Ambient Guitar Noise" is my phrase of choice.... Matt From ???@??? Mon Jun 30 11:08:44 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 30 10:56:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wikgC-0003CM-00; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:56:00 -0700 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 13:51:31 -0400 (EDT) From: ZeplinSoup@aol.com Message-ID: <970630135129_782768944@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Jamman unlimited loop memory trick Resent-Message-ID: <"2SS9FB.A.6pC.iJ_tz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/554 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:56:00 -0700 X-UIDL: ed8e176888a8b744bccd1dd05dc714cd --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: re:jamman unlimited loop memory trick Date: 97-06-08 10:19:30 EDT From: ZeplinSoup To: kflint@annihilist.com i didnot see anything on the site about this so here it goes.... use a midi sequencer to send a patch change at a specific tempo at the beginning and end of your midi measures as defined on the jamman...use phrased loops...so you know now how many measures it lasts and the tempo..record yer loops and when you start to run out of space regarding jamman memory then you simply record a loop that you are happy with to the computer and then record over that loop# in the jamman for your extended loop time....repeat add nauseum ....i use cakewalk so it is very easy(if you know the tempo) to move the loops around in any order..you can now record as many loops as you like for a song and not be limited to midi loop size(you can vary the loop size while keeping the tempo the same=mixing 4 midi beat loops with 3 beat loops at the same tempo with seemless operation if you wish or any other combination)and you will have unlimited buse of the jamman memory!!! lemme know whacha think, Reeve From ???@??? Mon Jun 30 11:08:43 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 30 10:52:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wikcI-0002mK-00; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:51:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199706301748.KAA22848@gw1.bi-tech.com> From: "Matt McCabe" To: "Loop" Subject: low loop content -- sound card query Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:51:39 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oBjzID.A.uOC.nE_tz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/553 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:51:58 -0700 X-UIDL: 48fef40a006cc571c800d640bd39dc6f I'm looking for recommendations on Mac NUBUS sound cards or NUBUS to PCI converters (if they exist). It seems like all the cool sound cards are PCI-based these days. :-( Yes, I will be recording loops using the sound card!!!!! ----------------------------- Matt McCabe Sales/Marketing Support SunGard BI-TECH 890 Fortress Street Chico, CA 95973 916.899.4348 http://www.bi-tech.com From ???@??? Mon Jun 30 15:59:55 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 30 12:35:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wimE9-0002rE-00; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 12:35:09 -0700 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 14:31:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Kim Corbet Subject: Re: Music Descriptions To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970630095052.00691b88@infinitesound.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"eQH6JD.A.XbC.kmAuz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/556 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 12:35:09 -0700 X-UIDL: 245f8b7d3acf74f5f8297277340867e3 I think this question of categorization and stylistic identification is interesting only in so much as we're forced to deal with it by the recording and retail industry. Which, ofcourse, infects all of us. I personally have no problem with "new age" or even the classical genre "new music" and, certainly, the beauty of the concept and tradition of "ambient"...but the public and musician stigma associated with these labels can be difficult (especially in conservative areas like Dallas). With a background in and love of classical, blues, rock and jazz, the first time my girlfriend called my solo act "New Age", I cringed... is THAT what people are hearing??? Oh, jeez. I think that's why I often use some adjective plus "jazz"...like "punkjazz" or "ambient jazz" or "bubba jazz" or "____ jazz" depending on the venue and energy. The jazz process of continuously stirring in one juxtaposed style after another reminds me of the old adage, "How can you have a revolution when the last revolution said 'anything goes'?" spare kim From ???@??? Mon Jun 30 15:59:58 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 30 12:56:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wimYk-0004aO-00; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 12:56:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199706301952.MAA22567@usr01.primenet.com> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Music Descriptions Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 12:51:05 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ZYIcAD.A.r9D.L6Auz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/557 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 12:56:26 -0700 X-UIDL: e2554377ae4a114fff6d4e75af7fe35d Having bristled at the idea of "new age" being applied to Eno's music - or mine, for that matter - I had to learn to understand the motivations of the marketers behind the term. "Electronic" doesn't apply to all of it, nor does "Space", "Experimental", "Trance", "Rave", "Psychedelic", or any of the other terms we've all see rotate through our favorite section of the record store over the past 25 years or so. I prefer "Ambient" myself, though most folks still don't know what 'ambient' means, which usually thrusts me right into the mode of having to explain the term to someone. In such a situation I end up using words and phrases like "atmospheric", "soundtrack music", "space music"; and, failing that, return to explain what Eno put forth as some of the essential definitions of the genre (paraphrased as a result of memory): "...It must be as ignorable as it is listenable..." "...It seeks to enhance its environment, as opposed to Musak, which blankets it..." And, in my own words: Ambient Music is at times best defined by what it is NOT. It is not like an ignored child, prodding you to pay attention to their newest 'trick', jumping up and down and yelling "listen to THIS!". It is therefore not something that distracts you from your current tasks-at-hand, whether pleasurable or otherwise. The best definition, requiring the least explanation, is still the listening itself. For me, it's enough that people say, "Oh!", and suddenly understand. And, hopefully that entertains them too. * Stephen Goodman It's the Loop Of The Week! And it's free! * EarthLight Productions http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios From ???@??? Mon Jun 30 16:00:02 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 30 13:37:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0winCt-0007Sq-00; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 13:37:55 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970630133152.00602100@mail.well.com> X-Sender: dog@mail.well.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 13:31:52 -0700 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: dan mcmullen Subject: more plex undo questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"nWJGlB.A.gpG.igBuz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/558 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 13:37:55 -0700 X-UIDL: 0f753ea9b32668f8632df92438a1d970 hello again, no replies to my last, somewhat vague query about plex undo behavior, so here are a few more specific questions: - why does the undo led go on at the second repeat of a loop that has just been recorded for the first time? - it seems that loops just less than 1/3 of the available time can still fail to undo an overdub that crosses the start point. what is the actual percent of total loop time that can always support the two full undos necessary to eliminate overdubs that cross over the start point? - the following sequence seems to confuse undo: - record a loop - 'accidentally' record over it, but end with undo to cancel the record and return to the first loop - overdub a long-press undo does not work at this point to remove the overdub. short-press undos can remove some of it, depending on where it is. anyone know what's going on here? thanks much in advance, dan ___ dan mcmullen don't worry - pay attention dog@well.com 415.681-0712 pgp public key id = 0A25C54D (finger dog@well.com for current key) fingerprint = E4 F9 24 00 8C 1F 69 48 3B 09 C4 9A 09 59 43 0E From ???@??? Mon Jun 30 15:59:53 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 30 12:23:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wim2b-000204-00; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 12:23:13 -0700 Message-ID: <33B8234C.70992BC6@interaccess.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 14:21:16 -0700 From: Jim Coker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: low loop content -- sound card query X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199706301748.KAA22848@gw1.bi-tech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"VLoYOB.A.ImB.xaAuz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/555 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 12:23:13 -0700 X-UIDL: 817ea10fffd700d7b15857d78ab2c8f8 There should be plenty of Nu-bus Audiomedia II cards around, try Sweetwater Sound, they seem to be collecting Nu-bus Digidesign stuff. (new and used) Jim Matt McCabe wrote: > I'm looking for recommendations on Mac NUBUS sound cards or NUBUS to > PCI > converters (if they exist). It seems like all the cool sound cards > are > PCI-based these days. :-( > > Yes, I will be recording loops using the sound card!!!!! > > ----------------------------- > Matt McCabe > Sales/Marketing Support > > SunGard BI-TECH > 890 Fortress Street > Chico, CA 95973 > 916.899.4348 > http://www.bi-tech.com From ???@??? Mon Jun 30 16:00:08 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 30 15:14:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wioiT-0006kJ-00; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 15:14:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199706302210.PAA06194@usr07.primenet.com> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Music Descriptions Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 15:09:11 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tcY1NB.A.FAG.p7Cuz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/559 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 15:14:37 -0700 X-UIDL: ecb51ca3ba47c113359fe32f6c02dbff Kim Corbet commented about the use of the word 'jazz' as a label for ambient material, and I thought I'd add in some marketing/radio history that coincides. In the Los Angeles area, the radio station playing soft rock/etc., KTWV ("The Wave") started out in '86-7 billing itself as a kind of ambient station, playing pieces from Steve Reich, Brian Eno, Philip Glass, and even on occasion King Crimson pieces in the vein of "Matte Kudasai"; concurrently I began seeing the Music Plus's and Wherehouse's in the area sporting a "New Age" section in the places formerly occupied by labels like "Electronic" and "Experimental". For the past year or so, The Wave - perhaps it's called the same thing in 'your' town - has been sporting the term 'soft jazz', which caused me to think again of this term. Perhaps the term 'jazz' is ethereal and undefined enough to get away with as an umbrella, but isn't it just a label, after all? I wonder what true jazz enthusiasts and musicians would think. Anyone? * Stephen Goodman It's the Loop Of The Week! And it's free! * EarthLight Productions http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios From ???@??? Mon Jun 30 22:56:55 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 30 18:49:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wis4T-00068V-00; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 18:49:33 -0700 Message-Id: <199707010145.SAA07194@f37.hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [206.18.32.85] From: "Jeffrey Weinberger" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: "Music for Thanksgiving" Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 18:45:23 PDT Resent-Message-ID: <"3YEyqB.A.BgF.wFGuz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/561 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 18:49:33 -0700 X-UIDL: 4fce759ceb48f5dce4041b142b5cb586 Several months ago I initiated a Fripp and Eno tribute entitled "Music for Thaksgiving" in the Elephant Talk newsletter. A web site for the project has been established at: http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/9984 If any musicians are interested in submitting material for the tribute, submission information can be obtained from the web site. We are also offering the option of having excerpts of submissions posted at the site as audio files. We are currently encoding with the Real Audio format, but may soon switch to a system offering greater fidelity. The person who is in charge of audio has offered to encode music from tapes for those who do not have their own encoding system. . --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Mon Jun 30 22:56:58 1997 >From kflint Mon Jun 30 20:08:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0witJA-0003Kv-00; Mon, 30 Jun 1997 20:08:48 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970701030727.0068e254@flash.net> X-Sender: jbstudio@flash.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 22:07:27 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: John Michael Beard Subject: Fripp Review Resent-Message-ID: <"fIs9QD.A.88C.3QHuz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/562 Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 20:08:48 -0700 X-UIDL: 8c516dd507838804f3572bd058cada46 Reposted from Elephant Talk: From: "Mascarini, Rick (CORP)" Subject: G3 Review: Hartford CT., 19th of June, 1997 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 13:18:40 -0400 Firstly, let me warn folks to get to the shows as early as possible if you wish to experience Robert's Soundscape performance. I suggest as the gates open to whatever performance space you're attending. Secondly, if you don't want to spoil your experience, read no further. Thirdly, the review: We (my wife and I) traveled from Saratoga NY to Hartford CT during the afternoon thinking (no, knowing) that we could miss Robert's performance. We arrived at 4:30PM with plenty of time to spare. Our tickets stated the show was to start at 7PM - I asked a parking attendant what time the gates opened - 5:30PM he told us. Enough time for a quick ride through Hartford to find a coffee shop. A bonus, Coffee and Bagels (with our favorite Humus topping) fit the bill. 5:25PM back the Meadows Music Center and standing at the entrance we could hear Robert starting a 'Scape' up. Gates opened and onward to our seats. About 12 rows back, dead center from the stage. Robert is off to our left standing next to his guitar rig talking to a guitar tech for one of the other bands, who is tuning/repairing someone's instrument. People are now starting to mill in - not many, everyone thinks the show is starting at 7PM. Every now and then, Robert picks up one of two guitars and adds more to the loop or morphs it a bit more. There appeared to be some technical problem whenever Robert tried to use certain effects like panning w/Delay: the sound system would overload the soundscape causing tremendous distortion - it was to plague the performance throughout the day. Robert would play for short periods of time then put the guitar down and walk off to the side of the stage to take the sound in, talk with stage personnel, have a drink and survey the audience (what there was of one.) There probably wasn't more than one hundred people there. At one point I believe he was talking w/ Bill Forth (Ten Seconds fame) as he is acting a tour manager for Robert during the G3 tour of the US. One amusing item (at least from our point of view - probably not from Robert's) was during a part where a new guitar part was being added to the loop, Robert stopped and moved toward the front of the stage to kindly ask two maybe three security guards who were talking up a storm to move their discussions elsewhere. This appeared to have put them off guard and they did stop for a short period of time. But they persisted and moments later, Bill Forth walks out in front of the first row of seats and again, asks if they would take it somewhere else. After what appeared to be some very interesting discussions/looks between the guards, Robert and Bill Forth, they finally moved and went their own ways. Robert then sat back down and applied more sound to the 'scape'. Now this went on until about 7:25PM until finally Robert picked up his personal belongings, a guitar and left the stage to a small round of applause. By this time the crowd had grown to 7-8 hundred and most were unaware of what just took place during the preceding two hours. Fourthly, the music: Such splendor hearing these soundscapes live !! They take on a form all their own. We put our feet up on the seats in front of us and just let our thoughts take us. So peaceful at times, so terrifying at others and everything between. During parts of the performance we'd walked around to gauge the sound and effect from different points in the amphitheater. Robert would build up walls of sound from chords played in rapid picking fashion across his guitar then allow the delay to transform them into washes of voice-like whispers. Similar, yet different to various soundscapes that are available through DGM. Overall, minus the one technical problem I mentioned earlier (and the interesting Security/Performer interlude) an outstanding two hours of guitaring ! During each of the G3 performances (Sheppard, Vai and Satch) Robert could be seem standing in the wings bopping along to a song or two from each performer's set. Joe Satriani's set being the most interesting of the three (main G3) performances given was quick to introduce the main principles, including Robert, for the encore - a romp through blues based guitar club band mainstays: "Goin' Down", "You Really Got Me" "Red House" and "My Guitar Wants to Kill Your Mama." Robert coped the good 'ol Hammond B3 organ parts, quite tastefully I might add - throwing the audience for a 'loop' (no pun intended!) - and adding a few surprises in as well. At times a bit difficult to hear in the mix, but still fun and all seemed to be having a grand time. Finally, a conclusion. See the soundscape performance for yourself - a personal moving experience and one I wouldn't have missed. Be sure to arrive early enough as we did, like I said, I knew (a feeling) we had to get there early. I will make a point to see future performances of Robert's, whatever the setting. It's a matter of trust. "Politics is the entertainment branch of industry." Frank Zappa John Michael Beard http://www.flash.net/~jbstudio