From ???@??? Thu May 01 10:03:28 1997 >From kflint Thu May 1 06:42:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wMw7f-000255-00; Thu, 1 May 1997 06:42:11 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 09:36:53 -0400 From: Michael Peters Subject: Personal Profiles: work delayed until mid-June To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199705010936_MC2-15C7-50A6@compuserve.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"0c7IDB.A.9zB.P0Jaz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 06:42:11 -0700 X-UIDL: d47add54a9d7e8c7cea7141621e52dba hi all, I'll be away for vacation until mid-June, so if anyone has new submissions or updates for the Personal Profiles webpage, send them to me but don't expect them to turn up on the page until I'm back. If there's something urgent to change, please send it to Kim. ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm Support the Warr Guitar Defense Fund http://home.earthlink.net/~greendog/warrfund.html From ???@??? Fri May 02 02:54:32 1997 >From kflint Thu May 1 19:59:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wN8ZK-0000C4-00; Thu, 1 May 1997 19:59:34 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 21:15:04 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Fingerpaint Streaming Audio Resent-Message-ID: <"8rMGj.A.QFH.YcVaz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 19:59:34 -0700 X-UIDL: 6de5bb6267cf631b10d33401ce85fe53 We're getting ready to change our streaming audio files in the next week. So if you have put off checking us out, this is a good time to hear some material from our first release, Enormous Swirling Sound. In the words of Tribal Gathering: Below the surface of the earth lie immense plates on which the continents of our planet shift. Patrick Smith and Steev Geest of Fingerpaint are the tape recorder lying beneath these plates recording their every move.....Check it out for its bizarre ambiance.... Check out what four jam men, plenty of synths, and an improvising ethic can do.... Peace, Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Fri May 02 02:54:03 1997 >From kflint Thu May 1 14:02:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wN2zu-0007Lv-00; Thu, 1 May 1997 14:02:38 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 16:46:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <970501164553_-299452365@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: TC's G-Force Resent-Message-ID: <"zJwE4C.A.x8F.xFQaz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 14:02:38 -0700 X-UIDL: 11c28431f0a260e5aea94d5968b0d4c1 In response to the recent announcements about this processor, i wrote the attached letter to TCElectronics. For what it's worth, I offer a copy here, hoping to stimulate, perhaps, some interesting debate, and, of course, to encourage anyone else to add their 2 monitary units to the mail that TC's R&D folks get to read! From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:11:44 -0400 (EDT) To: warrenw@tcelectronic.com Subject: G-Force Greetings, and thanks for posting the news about your new processor; can't wait to hear more about it. In the meantime, I hope you don't mind if I share a few rambling thoughts on the subject of guitar processing (think of this as a one-person focus group, from someone who lives and breathes guitar processing): IMHO, the current coolest processors are the VG-8, which I have, and the GTR4000, which I can't afford, and which I'm not sure would be worth it if I could. Its appeal is the complete modularity, and the DEEP, complex ways you can mix and control the various modules. My concern is that I'm afraid I'm bored with traditional FX! The VG-8 has revealed that REALLY innovative processing these days goes way beyond the trad. delay, pitch, dynamics and modulation FX we all know, into realms of total sound modification (I'm not a tech type, so my terminology is probably not really on target...apologies), using modelling to change the wave forms, the envelopes, and the filtering of each sonic event. I also have a Vortex, which I like in principle (it tries to push the envelope), but it has actually made me even more leary of processors that just use traditional, mostly delay-based fx, even in very in creative ways, since I find myself mostly bypassing it! (If editing and storage were easier, I'd probably love it by now.) My only other processor is a DP-4 which I love for its flexibilty and the sheer number of algorithims. I'll probably next buy a GT-5, for its ring modulator, Humanizer, slow gear, and acoustic simulator, all of which seem to change the actual character of the sound, as well as for the preamp and distortion modelling. (My basic rig is all-tube.) Now I know that few other processors are using modelling (altho if reverb isn't a type of modelling, what is it?), and don't have access to Roland's hex pickup to get at individual strings, but, besides clarity and quality, what I'M looking for in a processor is presets and algorithims (whether they use modelling or not) that unlock sonic possibilities that I probably wouldn't discover on my own, especially anything that responds dynamically to my playing, allowing me to transform the instrument I love to play into something new. The traditional areas I seem to find the most provocative for guitar sound design (besides preamp, power amp, and speaker EQ and distortion FX, either from the real things, or from emulations) are, in order of usefulness: EQ, more EQ, pitch, delay, digital distortion (used sparingly), and dynamics, plus I almost always use at least a little reverb. The areas that seem way under-explored in all the processors that I see coming out are: compression and limiting as sound manglers, rather than as just precautionary devices; envelope control (as in the slow gear); really extreme filtering (for synth-like sound shaping); and LONG delay times--which brings up the other most-critical and missing processing area, in my view: LOOPING! I'm really tempted by the PCM-80 simply because you can add ram to provide up to 42 sec. of very-tweakable STEREO delay. But this seems a very expensive way to get that capability. I would buy the more-versatile-seeming MPX-1 tomorrow if its delay time were expandable. I URGE you to see that ram expansion or a STEREO sampling option is part of the G-Force when it actually appears. Other important features for me include: Redundant effects, so I can place EQ and other things in more than one spot in a chain; Easy patch swapping and re-ordering, plus LOTs of storage space for MY patches, either in ram or on some kind of cheap media; Multiple mod destinations (sounds like you're on to that one); A moveable FX loop, for patching in other processors (STEREO and/or digital would be nice!); a few things that I've never even considered, like the arpeggiator on the MPX-1. Well, hope you've managed to read this far in my ramble; sorry to have been so long winded, but believe me when I say that announcements of new guitar processors are among the most exciting events in my musical oddessy these days; I hope TC will make their real thing less disappointing than the others I've seen so far. Eagerly awaiting more detail! David Coffin ===================================================== Reply: Dear David, Thank you for your thoughtful comments. I will forward your email to our R&D and Sales/Marketing departments in Risskov, Denmark. When I have more specifics on the G-Force I will be posting them on AOL and the Internet. If you want me to send you a G-Force brochure when they are available, email me your mailing address. Warren Weinberg TC Electronic US Inc. TC Electronic Inc. Postal: 790-H Hampshire Rd. Address: Westlake Village, CA 91361 Tel: 805-373-1828 Fax: 805-379-2648 ------------------------------------------------- Email: WarrenW@tcelectronic.com (Warren Weinberg) ------------------------------------------------- WWW: http://tcelectronic.com From ???@??? Fri May 02 02:54:29 1997 >From kflint Thu May 1 18:15:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wN6w6-0001sM-00; Thu, 1 May 1997 18:14:58 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 21:05:35 -0400 (EDT) From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <970501210456_-1400789770@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: stickwire-l@netcom.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Official Gig Announcement Resent-Message-ID: <"GTbNpB.A.vNB.o4Taz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 18:14:58 -0700 X-UIDL: 33c922e2f4e676810079eba7e9b731f2 Star's End Gathering XI on Friday, May 2nd, 1997, will feature live electronic space music by Pure Gamma. Opening for Pure Gamma will be Chapman Stick player Paul Mimlitsch. Sponsored by the 21-year-old radio program, Star's End, the concert will be held from 8:00pm-11:00pm in Houston Hall, 3417 Spruce Street on the University of Penn campus in West Philadelphia. Tickets, at the door: $10, WXPN members and students free. For more information, call 1-800-565-WXPN. For more info about Star's End Gathering XI, go to the Star's End Web Site at www.starsend.org "Star's End" can be heard every Saturday night/Sunday morning from 1am-6am on: 88.5fm WXPN Philadelphia, PA 88.1fm WXPH Harrisburg, PA 90.5fm Worton/Baltimore, MD 104.9fm Allentown, PA From ???@??? Fri May 02 02:54:30 1997 >From kflint Thu May 1 18:18:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wN6zb-00027H-00; Thu, 1 May 1997 18:18:35 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 21:08:20 -0400 (EDT) From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <970501210644_840607224@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Official Gig Announcement Resent-Message-ID: <"Ow-lJB.A.JcB.s7Taz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 18:18:35 -0700 X-UIDL: 084202fd3ba37655719b6b8b0a7a0cb7 Star's End Gathering XI on Friday, May 2nd, 1997, will feature live electronic space music by Pure Gamma. Opening for Pure Gamma will be Chapman Stick player Paul Mimlitsch. Sponsored by the 21-year-old radio program, Star's End, the concert will be held from 8:00pm-11:00pm in Houston Hall, 3417 Spruce Street on the University of Penn campus in West Philadelphia. Tickets, at the door: $10, WXPN members and students free. For more information, call 1-800-565-WXPN. For more info about Star's End Gathering XI, go to the Star's End Web Site at www.starsend.org "Star's End" can be heard every Saturday night/Sunday morning from 1am-6am on: 88.5fm WXPN Philadelphia, PA 88.1fm WXPH Harrisburg, PA 90.5fm Worton/Baltimore, MD 104.9fm Allentown, PA From ???@??? Fri May 02 02:54:33 1997 >From kflint Thu May 1 20:59:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wN9Uo-0003TB-00; Thu, 1 May 1997 20:58:58 -0700 Message-ID: <3369663B.7D9C@gte.net> Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 23:57:47 -0400 From: Future Perfect <" artmusic"@gte.net> Reply-To: artmusic@gte.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Gig question References: <970501210456_-1400789770@emout19.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ABfGoD.A.ICD.jWWaz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 20:58:58 -0700 X-UIDL: fe164b1746187d8c9e3583205eef339b > > "Star's End" can be heard every Saturday night/Sunday morning from 1am-6am > on: > > 88.5fm WXPN Philadelphia, PA > 88.1fm WXPH Harrisburg, PA > 90.5fm Worton/Baltimore, MD > 104.9fm Allentown, PA Hi! We don't live in Philly (Florida, actually..), but we will be up in that area for a small tour in June supporting our first CD...check our web page for dates..we will be back in that area in September, and would like to know how to be invoved in a show that your radio show sponsers/promotes. We play ambient/progressive/Renaissancy (band and time period) kinda stuff...the band's name is 'Future Perfect' and it consists of 2 people. We'll have sound clips at our page within a week or two. Thanks a lot!!!! Cups and cakes, Dave Eichenberger -- ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 'Music is a mirror of who we are.' - Robert Fripp From ???@??? Sat May 03 20:26:43 1997 >From kflint Sat May 3 18:59:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wNqaX-0003if-00; Sat, 3 May 1997 18:59:45 -0700 Sender: lawrence@risset Message-ID: <336BECE7.167E@dartmouth.edu> Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 21:56:55 -0400 From: "Scott E. Lawrence" Organization: Dartmouth College X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: looking for looper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"vK-pcB.A.IWD.sz-az"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 18:59:45 -0700 X-UIDL: f16ccd0e0830cfcc6f5db8758678fca1 Hi. I'm looking for a Jamman, Echoplex Digital Pro, and Boomerang. Where can I find these? The Boomerang is out of stock (or never in yet??) at manny's. I haven't found them anywhere else. From ???@??? Sat May 03 20:26:47 1997 >From kflint Sat May 3 19:35:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wNr9R-0004oQ-00; Sat, 3 May 1997 19:35:49 -0700 Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 22:31:09 -0400 (EDT) From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <970503223109_-1367183762@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looking for looper Resent-Message-ID: <"xf4TEC.A.MXE.wU_az"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 19:35:49 -0700 X-UIDL: 39cae4fb38b9a70d0baacfab717c71ee The Music Place (609)768-2226 in Berlin N.J. is going out of business and has: 1-Echoplex Pro-$429.00 2 (3?)-Lexicon Vortex-$? Note: I'm not affiliated w/ The Music Place. Just hope somebody else buys the Plex. before I'm "forced" to add to my credit card debt 8-). (Actually I really don't "need" a plex, for now, but the price seems really tempting.)--Paul From ???@??? Sat May 03 22:54:05 1997 >From kflint Sat May 3 21:17:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wNsk3-0007fC-00; Sat, 3 May 1997 21:17:43 -0700 Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 21:14:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Stew Benedict Subject: Re: looking for looper To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: <336BECE7.167E@dartmouth.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"l9A9uB.A.nEH.80Abz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 21:17:43 -0700 X-UIDL: 946b00918a1147ee365627f3d5a8687d I saw a Boomerang at the Guitar Center here in Cleveland, I imagine their mail-order has them also. Stew Benedict On Sat, 3 May 1997, Scott E. Lawrence wrote: > Hi. I'm looking for a Jamman, Echoplex Digital Pro, and Boomerang. > Where can I find these? The Boomerang is out of stock (or never in > yet??) at manny's. I haven't found them anywhere else. > > From ???@??? Sat May 03 22:54:07 1997 >From kflint Sat May 3 21:36:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wNt2A-0000QA-00; Sat, 3 May 1997 21:36:26 -0700 Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 23:34:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Kim Corbet Subject: Re: looking for looper To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"rL46NC.A.YS.PHBbz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 21:36:26 -0700 X-UIDL: d1de598b0a4c48d4ea47862d50235568 Yo...I just saw a boomerang in the display case at Brook Mays Pro Shop in Dallas. I know they're sellin like crazy, but I've been told they're about to catch up with the demand...g'luck. Rang a Dang, ya'll. > I saw a Boomerang at the Guitar Center here in Cleveland, I imagine > Stew Benedict > > Hi. I'm looking for a Jamman, Echoplex Digital Pro, and Boomerang. > > Where can I find these? The Boomerang is out of stock (or never in > > yet??) at manny's. From ???@??? Sun May 04 11:39:48 1997 >From kflint Sat May 3 23:05:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wNuQW-0002gy-00; Sat, 3 May 1997 23:05:40 -0700 Message-ID: <336C2899.10EC@crystalball.com> Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 01:11:37 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@crystalball.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looking for looper References: <336BECE7.167E@dartmouth.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YdvEOD.A.2ZC.3aCbz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 23:05:40 -0700 X-UIDL: 888ac998bed1b19754d43e4506cbf185 Scott E. Lawrence wrote: > > Hi. I'm looking for a Jamman, Echoplex Digital Pro, and Boomerang. > Where can I find these? The Boomerang is out of stock (or never in > yet??) at manny's. I haven't found them anywhere else. Try Rudy's on West 48th Street. Both Rudy's and Manny's should receive a shipment of Boomerang Phrase Samplers by Thursday, May 9. Please e-mail me directly if you continue to have problems locating a Rang, and thanks for your interest. Mike Nelson, co-owner Boomerang Musical Products From ???@??? Sun May 04 11:39:49 1997 >From kflint Sat May 3 23:09:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wNuUb-0002tN-00; Sat, 3 May 1997 23:09:53 -0700 Message-ID: <336C299E.4973@crystalball.com> Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 01:15:58 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@crystalball.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looking for looper References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"WCoqxD.A.1mC.BfCbz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 23:09:53 -0700 X-UIDL: f53bdd0c9acfc07d779459c0d305125a Stew Benedict wrote: > > I saw a Boomerang at the Guitar Center here in Cleveland, I imagine > their mail-order has them also. > > Stew Benedict > > On Sat, 3 May 1997, Scott E. Lawrence wrote: > > > Hi. I'm looking for a Jamman, Echoplex Digital Pro, and Boomerang. > > Where can I find these? The Boomerang is out of stock (or never in > > yet??) at manny's. I haven't found them anywhere else. Apparently any Guitar Center will do mail orders. There are 3 stores in the Boston area, also. Mike Nelson, a.k.a. Motley From ???@??? Sun May 04 16:32:20 1997 >From kflint Sun May 4 15:07:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wO9RO-0000dq-00; Sun, 4 May 1997 15:07:34 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 15:16:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: JamMan modifications Resent-Message-ID: <"N7-L5D.A.xa.cfQbz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 15:07:34 -0700 X-UIDL: 16e2a6e278a4efd3723dbf50b0894ef6 Dear Bob: The Loop Doctors have been thinking about Jammen modifications. Here are the two IMPORTANT must have items on our mod list. 1: We want to be able regulate loop volume with an expression pedal. 2: In the ECHO mode, we want to be able to control FEEDBACK with an expression pedal. Is this possible? Best, The Loop Doctors From ???@??? Sun May 04 16:32:20 1997 >From kflint Sun May 4 14:14:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wO8cP-0006NR-00; Sun, 4 May 1997 14:14:53 -0700 Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 17:10:08 -0400 (EDT) From: KelRey@aol.com Message-ID: <970504171007_1618218861@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looking for looper Resent-Message-ID: <"oGaWSC.A.vzF.4tPbz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 14:14:53 -0700 X-UIDL: b44a52842cddc7b169ef912aac4a4e38 >Hi. I'm looking for a Jamman, Echoplex Digital Pro, and >Boomerang. >Where can I find these? The Boomerang is out of stock (or >never in >yet??) at manny's. I haven't found them anywhere else. I got my Boomerang from Guitar Center in MN. They had to special order it because I got the 4 meg upgrade. I am sure Mannys could order it for you. You could try ordering directly from Boomerang, they may sell direct, although I am not sure. There number is 800-530-4699. Hope this helps, Kelly From ???@??? Tue May 06 00:29:10 1997 >From kflint Mon May 5 20:49:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wObFi-0004rO-00; Mon, 5 May 1997 20:49:22 -0700 Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Juan Manuel Aguirre" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 07:00:00 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Sampler alternatives? Reply-to: juma@cyberia.net.ar Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Resent-Message-ID: <"PWse2C.A.hBE.bhqbz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 20:49:22 -0700 X-UIDL: 2079e94a9bf39f7148ba05d2a6bb994a Hello loopers of the world, As I cannot afford a 3000$ Roland sampler, could you tell me if there is any sound card alternative? Thanks, The Negative Eye From ???@??? Mon May 05 10:35:36 1997 >From kflint Mon May 5 07:34:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOOq7-0002ml-00; Mon, 5 May 1997 07:34:07 -0700 X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <970429164813_673986463@emout19.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 10:36:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Re: JamMan modifications Resent-Message-ID: <"wHyh0B.A.faC.c8ebz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 07:34:07 -0700 X-UIDL: b29fb369fe961382b9a84c2ac3ac045c Status: U On Tuesday, Andy at SoundFNR@aol.com posted this to Looper's Delight which seems to be from Bob Sellon at Lexicon: >In a message dated 07/04/97 12:43:45, you write: > >>We have been considering the issue of different sized loops >>simultaneously but are not sure of how to implement it cleanly. For >>instance, if you created a loop in 4/4 then wanted a second loop of a >>different size, would you want the second loop to be in a definable >>relative time signature (5/4, 13/4) or just "tapped" in on the fly? Our >>current software approaches the traditional multi-loop concept used in >>Jamman (play the current loop then switch to the next one) by switching >>"Pages". Each Page can have up to 4 simultaneous loops which change when >>the Page changes. The Page changes at the end of the loop. How do I deal >>with this if the loops are of different size. If I wait for the end of >>each loop, the loops on the second page will be out of sync even if they >>weren't intended to be. Any ideas? We have the capability to have loops >>of different size but we have been backing away from them because of >>problems like these. We also weren't sure how many people would use them >>if we did work it out. Obviously there are some. >> >>If you have a preference on how you would like the thing to work, let me >>know. I can't make any guarentees but would like to put this kind of >>functionality in the new rom if we can. >> >>Bob Sellon >>Lexicon/Stec >> >> Bob, is there a way to offer both functions to the JamMan upgrade depending on which "mode" you wanted? Obviously if you are in the "synced" mode you would want all loops to be the same length. One thing I've found frustrating if not impossible to do with the JamMan is if I'm playing a rhythmic loop with the JamMan but I'm not synced up to anything (drum machine, sequencer), say I'm just playing guitar and I want to switch to a second loop it is very hard if not impossible get the second loop to be exactly timed right. My timing is pretty good but but it still takes several passes, if I'm lucky, to get the second loop to line up. This limits trying to use this live. If the loops didn't have to be exactly the same length though, you could switch loops and even if the second loop was slightly shorter or longer than the first it wouldn't matter as each loop would maintain its own "integrity". There are times when I do want to sync so it would be nice to have either mode available. Maybe there is a way to implement both depending on which mode you want to access, synced or non-synced. What do you think? Also, do you know what other new features you hope to have in the new upgrade? Thanks Ed From ???@??? Tue May 06 00:29:21 1997 >From kflint Tue May 6 00:31:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOS4Y-0006W9-00; Mon, 5 May 1997 11:01:14 -0700 Message-Id: <9705051705.AA07027@beryllium.lexicon.com> Priority: urgent Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 11:39:00 -0400 From: "Hogan, Greg" Subject: RE: looking for looper To: Loopers-Delight X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Resent-Message-ID: <"pEK4LB.A.HwF.b7hbz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 11:01:14 -0700 X-UIDL: 7db0b7ff96da6cec23eefad65a42f660 Someone asked: "I'm looking for a Jamman, Echoplex Digital Pro, and Boomerang. Where can I find these" Last I knew there were JAMMEN at Pat's Music at 215-743-4766. From ???@??? Tue May 06 00:29:15 1997 >From kflint Mon May 5 22:03:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOcPi-0001tS-00; Mon, 5 May 1997 22:03:46 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 5 May 1997 11:21:05 -0700 From: "Hartnett, Travis" Subject: JamMan for sale To: "Loopers Delight postings" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.0.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"Dst83C.A.NMB.Hmrbz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 22:03:46 -0700 X-UIDL: 870793346597f56f3c503df7e356141f >From Harmony Central: Lexicon Jam -Man with 32 second upgrade Asking Price: US$300 Condition: Mint Age: 1 year Description: Works perfectly usual mini scratches on top and bottom from racking and re-racking. Seller: Roland Eberle, E-mail: roland@ccnet.com Location: HAYWARD, CA Post Date: 5/4/97 From ???@??? Tue May 06 22:57:32 1997 >From kflint Tue May 6 11:18:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOool-00033j-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 11:18:27 -0700 Message-Id: <9705061814.AA09935@beryllium.lexicon.com> Priority: urgent Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 17:21:00 -0400 From: "Sellon, Bob" Subject: RE: JamMan modifications To: Loopers-Delight X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Resent-Message-ID: <"wpcgpC.A.gbC.GR3bz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 11:18:27 -0700 X-UIDL: b6c7b5e366781f0a6088b3ebf6eb47ee Loop Docs, The new rom allows both of these things (feedback and volume) to be patched to continuous controllers from a "Learn" mode (there's also SysEx control available). You can also switch a loop in and out of the echo mode and divide it by up to 19 (also patchable). Thanks for the input. Its nice to know I'm on the right track. Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec ---------- From: Loopers-Delight[SMTP:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com] Sent: Sunday, May 04, 1997 6:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: JamMan modifications Dear Bob: The Loop Doctors have been thinking about Jammen modifications. Here are the two IMPORTANT must have items on our mod list. 1: We want to be able regulate loop volume with an expression pedal. 2: In the ECHO mode, we want to be able to control FEEDBACK with an expression pedal. Is this possible? Best, The Loop Doctors From ???@??? Tue May 06 00:29:04 1997 >From kflint Mon May 5 19:09:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOZgR-0005tB-00; Mon, 5 May 1997 19:08:52 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 16:23:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan modifications In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"hc4kJ.A.MpE.F9obz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 19:08:52 -0700 X-UIDL: bebb89b8994aa003787d05244d6cb608 On Sun, 4 May 1997 mgsam@wave.net wrote: > Dear Bob: > > The Loop Doctors have been thinking about Jammen modifications. > > Here are the two IMPORTANT must have items on our mod list. > > 1: We want to be able regulate loop volume with an expression pedal. > > 2: In the ECHO mode, we want to be able to control FEEDBACK with an > expression pedal. One more thing... true stereo I/O! But basically, I think they're right. Expression pedal control of feedback and volume, whether through MIDI or CV, would make the JamMan near-perfect. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Tue May 06 00:29:06 1997 >From kflint Mon May 5 19:48:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOaIy-0000qR-00; Mon, 5 May 1997 19:48:40 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970506000553.006bfee0@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com> X-Sender: cavaleri@svars1.simi-valley.ate.slb.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 17:05:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Joe Cavaleri Subject: Jamman Mods Resent-Message-ID: <"nVRqYC.A.4F.slpbz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 19:48:40 -0700 X-UIDL: f90e97f0accd6dae1809daee2ea85719 Hi all, Some of the mods on my wish list: 1. The ability to modulate the loop. --- time of loop/pitch 2. Expanded memory. I'm not very technology literate.. to me these mods seem very feasible. joe From ???@??? Tue May 06 00:29:09 1997 >From kflint Mon May 5 20:39:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOb5y-0004Ab-00; Mon, 5 May 1997 20:39:18 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.CompuServe.COM Mon May 05 20:39:14 1997 Received: from arl-img-5.compuserve.com [149.174.217.135] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOb5t-00045W-00; Mon, 5 May 1997 20:39:13 -0700 Received: by arl-img-5.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id QAA18629; Mon, 5 May 1997 16:11:47 -0400 Old-Date: 05 May 97 16:10:23 EDT From: To: Cc: Subject: Message not deliverable Message-ID: <970505201023_702420.204300_BHD37-4@CompuServe.COM> X-Diagnostic: Mail to Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com bounced 1 times X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 20:39:18 -0700 X-UIDL: 5d2f8ab2cf4a63ccf4593b9fc3507216 ----------------------------------- Returned ----------------------------------- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at CSERVE Date: 5/5/97 2:14PM *To: INTERNET:LOOPERS-DELIGHT@ANNIHILIST.COM at CSERVE Subject: RE: looking for looper ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ============== Begin part 2 ========================== Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by hil-img-6.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id NAA02664; Mon, 5 May 1997 13:57:26 -0400 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOS0l-0006HJ-00; Mon, 5 May 1997 10:57:19 -0700 Message-Id: <9705051705.AA07027@beryllium.lexicon.com> Priority: urgent Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 11:39:00 -0400 From: "Hogan, Greg" Subject: RE: looking for looper To: Loopers-Delight X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Resent-Message-ID: <"pEK4LB.A.HwF.b7hbz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Russell_Gorton@creatsvc-ada.ccmail.compuserve.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 10:57:19 -0700 Someone asked: "I'm looking for a Jamman, Echoplex Digital Pro, and Boomerang. Where can I find these" Last I knew there were JAMMEN at Pat's Music at 215-743-4766. ============== End part 2 ============================ From ???@??? Tue May 06 00:29:11 1997 >From kflint Mon May 5 20:58:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wObOT-0005PQ-00; Mon, 5 May 1997 20:58:25 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 23:42:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Aviansongs@aol.com Message-ID: <970505234135_53370740@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digitech pedals... Resent-Message-ID: <"6UyfRC.A.1lE.fpqbz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 20:58:25 -0700 X-UIDL: d5101076654cc6b9333313e7ba2b565c In a message dated 97-04-19 07:03:36 EDT, you write: > I want to put together a page for all the digitech stuff. I've collected a > couple bits so far, but I could really use some help. I don't know much > about most of those units. Any contributions are most welcome! > > Oh, sorry I haven't added much to the web site in the past couple of > months. All of my free time has been sucked into another project.... > Hopefully that will lighten up a bit in a couple weeks.... > > thanks > > kim Sorry, I know this is a little late to respond, but I'm still using the Digitech RDS 7.6. It's a very nice machine with a lot of features including KNOBS! Knobs for delay time, feedback, rate, and depth. It also has a lot of CV inputs including delay time, and several outs (mix out, dry out, and phase out). I actually traded in my Delta Lab 4096 for it (plus some cash). Although, I wish I still had my Delta Lab 1024. I'm also using a Jamman. It will be a great day when the digital machines will allow you to Pitch Shift and/or Time Compress/Expand your loops (in real-time!). Marc - EWI, Bass, Chapman Stick, Bass Recorder, etc. From ???@??? Tue May 06 00:29:14 1997 >From kflint Mon May 5 21:22:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOblI-0006sU-00; Mon, 5 May 1997 21:22:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199705060410.XAA18890@beavis.inetdirect.net> From: "Gary Osborne" To: Subject: new sustainiac sustainer Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 23:05:52 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oYaAUB.A.I_F.i_qbz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 21:22:00 -0700 X-UIDL: 058ece25b946162c6e99198dfdfa5c34 Just thought you would like to know that Maniac Music has recently introduced a new and improved Sustainiac in-guitar sustainer. We have been working on it for about 6 years and it blows away the earlier units. Drop us a line if you want more info. Gary Osborne Maniac Music, Inc. 8320 Meadowbrook Drive Indpls, IN 46240 317-259-8295 maniac@inetdirect.net From ???@??? Tue May 06 00:29:12 1997 >From kflint Mon May 5 21:12:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wObbi-0006I0-00; Mon, 5 May 1997 21:12:06 -0700 Message-ID: <336EAF12.2EEB@crystalball.com> Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 23:09:54 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@crystalball.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looking for looper References: <970504171007_1618218861@emout08.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0TgHzB.A.oTF.50qbz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 21:12:06 -0700 X-UIDL: 48e508382ee69be739da47fb68f61901 KelRey@aol.com wrote: > > >Hi. I'm looking for a Jamman, Echoplex Digital Pro, and >Boomerang. > >Where can I find these? The Boomerang is out of stock (or >never in > >yet??) at manny's. I haven't found them anywhere else. > > I got my Boomerang from Guitar Center in MN. They had to special order it > because I got the 4 meg upgrade. I am sure Mannys could order it for you. > > You could try ordering directly from Boomerang, they may sell direct, > although I am not sure. There number is 800-530-4699. > > Hope this helps, > > Kelly From the cradle of the 'Rangs, down in Texas - We do sell direct, but only to customers who are not fairly close to a Boomerang dealer. The dealers would abandon us if our policy were different. Loop on... Mike Nelson, co-owner Boomerang Musical Products, a.k.a. Motley From ???@??? Tue May 06 01:14:04 1997 >From kflint Tue May 6 00:59:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOf9x-0007BZ-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 00:59:41 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199705060410.XAA18890@beavis.inetdirect.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 00:49:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: new sustainiac sustainer Cc: "Gary Osborne" Resent-Message-ID: <"QFcDdB.A.pWG.tOubz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 00:59:41 -0700 X-UIDL: 548e774d8482b7e9418049b323bbb77a >Just thought you would like to know that Maniac Music has recently >introduced a new and improved Sustainiac in-guitar sustainer. We have been >working on it for about 6 years and it blows away the earlier units. Drop >us a line if you want more info. > >Gary Osborne >Maniac Music, Inc. >8320 Meadowbrook Drive >Indpls, IN 46240 > >317-259-8295 > >maniac@inetdirect.net ok, I'm game. Tell me more! I bought a fernandes sustainer pickup for $300 a year or so ago. The pickup even came with a so-so strat copy attached to it! ;-) I like the fernandes thingy pretty well. Makes a great sound source for loops. How does the new Sustainiac compare to that? What I remember about the old sustainiac is that it required external hardware and some large device connected to the headstock of the guitar. Hopefully you've improved on that design approach? thanks, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue May 06 01:14:05 1997 >From kflint Tue May 6 01:13:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOfN2-0000Uv-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 01:13:12 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <970505234135_53370740@emout16.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 01:04:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Digitech pedals... Resent-Message-ID: <"F8enjB.A.SO.Ydubz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 01:13:12 -0700 X-UIDL: 0cfa7ee0b336ee4f500395f75121aeb3 >In a message dated 97-04-19 07:03:36 EDT, you write: > >> I want to put together a page for all the digitech stuff. I've collected a >> couple bits so far, but I could really use some help. I don't know much >> about most of those units. Any contributions are most welcome! >> >> kim > > Sorry, I know this is a little late to respond, but I'm still using the >Digitech RDS 7.6. It's a very nice machine with a lot of features including >KNOBS! Knobs for delay time, feedback, rate, and depth. It also has a lot of >CV inputs including delay time, and several outs (mix out, dry out, and phase >out). I actually traded in my Delta Lab 4096 for it (plus some cash). >Although, I wish I still had my Delta Lab 1024. > Marc - EWI, Bass, Chapman Stick, Bass Recorder, etc. Hey, cool! Thanks for responding! Would you like to help out with the web page a bit? I actually started a web page for the RDS 7.6 just this past weekend. So far it only has an advertisement from long ago that Travis Hartnett scanned. The ad is sort of neat actually. The url is: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/tools/timemachine/timemachine.html Any contribution you can make would be greatly appreciated. Functional description of the unit, things you like to use if for, scan/ocr of the manual, etc. Whatever you've got time and interest to contribute, please do! If you can put it in html, that's a great help. If not, we can probably find someone to help out. Also, I added a bunch of stuff in the tools section of the web site the last couple of days. Mostly other stuff that Travis scanned for us. There's an Electro-Harmonix 16 sec ad, Jamman ads, the timemachine ad. It's fun, check it out..... And thanks for your work on this Travis! Anyone else want to contribute to the website, please don't hesitate! Community involvment is the key here...... thanks, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue May 06 09:25:08 1997 >From kflint Tue May 6 02:39:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOgif-0003YD-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 02:39:37 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <970429164813_673986463@emout19.mail.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 02:33:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: JamMan modifications Resent-Message-ID: <"8ns8hC.A.wOD.Bvvbz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 02:39:37 -0700 X-UIDL: ea0d29a19ff4b646bba8e97fe7137c30 At 10:36 AM -0500 5/5/97, Ed Drake wrote: >On Tuesday, Andy at SoundFNR@aol.com posted this to Looper's Delight which >seems to be from Bob Sellon at Lexicon: > >>In a message dated 07/04/97 12:43:45, you write: >> >>>We have been considering the issue of different sized loops >>>simultaneously but are not sure of how to implement it cleanly. For >>>instance, if you created a loop in 4/4 then wanted a second loop of a >>>different size, would you want the second loop to be in a definable >>>relative time signature (5/4, 13/4) or just "tapped" in on the fly? Our >>>current software approaches the traditional multi-loop concept used in >>>Jamman (play the current loop then switch to the next one) by switching >>>"Pages". Each Page can have up to 4 simultaneous loops which change when >>>the Page changes. The Page changes at the end of the loop. How do I deal >>>with this if the loops are of different size. If I wait for the end of >>>each loop, the loops on the second page will be out of sync even if they >>>weren't intended to be. Any ideas? We have the capability to have loops >>>of different size but we have been backing away from them because of >>>problems like these. We also weren't sure how many people would use them >>>if we did work it out. Obviously there are some. >>> >>>If you have a preference on how you would like the thing to work, let me >>>know. I can't make any guarentees but would like to put this kind of >>>functionality in the new rom if we can. >>> >>>Bob Sellon >>>Lexicon/Stec >>> >>> These are interesting discussions. We spent tons of time figuring out how to deal with these ideas on the Echoplex too. Challenging, isn't it? I didn't totally follow the "page" thing. How is that again? What do you mean by "simultaneous loops"? Do you mean four independent tracks playing at once as a loop? I didn't think the Jamdude had the processing muscle to do anything like that. Or do you mean four discrete loops which are available to switch between? The issue of rhythmic freedom vs. various degrees of synchronization is a fundamental problem with multiple loops, I think. The effort involved in making these features musically useful on the echoplex was huge, but worth it. Basically, you have to give the musician the option to choose. And the musician should be able to make the decision on the fly, with a minimal amount of setup. Some musicians (like Matthias) do not want any synchronization, insisting that they always be free to tap the lengths wherever they please. And some, (like me sometimes) want precise synchronization, allowing for polyrhythmic relationships. And most times, different types of music and different situations just call for one or the other. Tough challenge for the designer! It sounds like you may be struggling with some basic architectural limits of the jamman. Hopefully you can find a way around them! The loop synchronization issue is a big can of worms. Once you open it a little bit, it just explodes and becomes very complicated in a hurry! Ed said: >Bob, is there a way to offer both functions to the JamMan upgrade depending >on which "mode" you wanted? Obviously if you are in the "synced" mode you >would want all loops to be the same length. Actually, no. Sometimes you want them to be multiples of each other. Say loop 1 is a four bar verse section. For loop 2, you want a 16 bar chorus loop. So it has to be exactly 4 times the length of loop 1. That's a pretty common need. > One thing I've found >frustrating if not impossible to do with the JamMan is if I'm playing a >rhythmic loop with the JamMan but I'm not synced up to anything (drum >machine, sequencer), say I'm just playing guitar and I want to switch to a >second loop it is very hard if not impossible get the second loop to be >exactly timed right. My timing is pretty good but but it still takes >several passes, if I'm lucky, to get the second loop to line up. This >limits trying to use this live. You need a good time copying function. It should let you record the second loop while the time is being set up, so that there is no interruption in the performance. The second loop should somehow stop recording and begin looping automatically when it reaches a multiple of the first loop. The echoplex does this by combining the NextLoop and Insert functions, which worked out miraculously well. Could you use the JamMan's midi sync functions for this? If you had something providing a midi beat clock and created the first loop synced to that, couldn't you just sync the second loop to the same clock? >If the loops didn't have to be exactly the >same length though, you could switch loops and even if the second loop was >slightly shorter or longer than the first it wouldn't matter as each loop >would maintain its own "integrity". >There are times when I do want to sync so it would be nice to have either >mode available. Maybe there is a way to implement both depending on which >mode you want to access, synced or non-synced. What do you think? That's the thing. Sometimes you want to sync the loops, and sometimes not. And sometimes you want the loops to be multiples on each other. Sometimes shorter, sometimes longer. And sometimes you want the first loop in 5/4 and the second in 17/8 and the third in 11/4 and the fourth with no rhythm at all. And sometimes you want to copy the audio too. And sometimes you want to sync your sequencer up to all of this. And sometimes you want five loopers to do this all synchronized together. And sometimes.....well it keeps us busy, right Bob? kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue May 06 09:25:41 1997 >From kflint Tue May 6 08:14:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOlwz-0006li-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 08:14:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199705061513.IAA12036@scv3.apple.com> Subject: Re: Digitech pedals... Date: Tue, 6 May 97 10:11:12 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"hJL97C.A.XDG._n0bz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 08:14:45 -0700 X-UIDL: 30c52effcd72bf57bd713f5881951b12 > I wish I still had my Delta Lab 1024. There's one for sale where I practice, with the footswitch and manual. If you're interested, I'll check the price for you. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Tue May 06 22:57:33 1997 >From kflint Tue May 6 11:39:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOp91-0004Uh-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 11:39:23 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 11:43:17 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: JamMan modifications Resent-Message-ID: <"KKBiHD.A.grD.lj3bz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 11:39:23 -0700 X-UIDL: 724971bd9875c4c800528e9b188bf75a Great post about synchronization Kim! The Loop Doctors just spun out. Keep it up! Even stating problems like this gets musical juices flowing. Best, THE LOOP DOCTORS From ???@??? Tue May 06 22:57:34 1997 >From kflint Tue May 6 11:53:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOpM6-0005RO-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 11:52:54 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 11:56:30 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: ROLAND GP-8 effects question Resent-Message-ID: <"uwTn7C.A.xjE.Qw3bz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 11:52:54 -0700 X-UIDL: 732b58c30a9138d6f93776d0f616c26b This gets into the whole interesting topic of looping and synthesis. We had the opportunity this weekend of playing with two guitar synthisizers at a gig this weekend. We can say is that synth can be extremely powerful and problematic. The Loop Doctors constantly debate the issue of when too much technology is well, just too much. Right now we think our hands our full between the Lexicon Jamman, Vortex and Oberheim Echoplex. This equipment seems to lead to different musical "fields" then synthesizers, although both of us think synths can be really interesting (check out David Bowie's new album with Reeves Gabriel for interesting pop application of synth guitar.) In another vein, anybody want to debate that point that if Maurice Ravel were still around he would be a SEVERE, and we mean severe, loophead? Best, The LOOP DOCTORS From ???@??? Tue May 06 22:57:34 1997 >From kflint Tue May 6 11:53:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOpMy-0005VX-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 11:53:48 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 11:57:40 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: RE: JamMan modifications Resent-Message-ID: <"WweXI.A.9mE._w3bz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 11:53:48 -0700 X-UIDL: b68d1481e88700aae4cadb461a94ed55 Bob: Great to know you're thinking along these lines. We'll continue to offer our input. Best, Loopdoctors From ???@??? Tue May 06 09:25:35 1997 >From kflint Tue May 6 05:50:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOjhk-0000Tp-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 05:50:52 -0700 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 08:48:35 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) Subject: Re: new sustainiac sustainer Resent-Message-ID: <"XUd-yC.A.aU.riybz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 05:50:52 -0700 X-UIDL: 5b14ce02b07c47fbf3a3d1b5532dfd61 Gary Osborne wrote: >Just thought you would like to know that Maniac Music has recently >introduced a new and improved Sustainiac in-guitar sustainer. We have been >working on it for about 6 years and it blows away the earlier units. Drop >us a line if you want more info. > >Gary Osborne >Maniac Music, Inc. >8320 Meadowbrook Drive >Indpls, IN 46240 > >317-259-8295 > >maniac@inetdirect.net I second Kims request for more info about this technology. Does the new sustainiac give you control over which overtones feedback like the old one did? Is it possible to put the new sustainiac in another guitar than the one it is sold with? Does the new sustainiac work with electric nylon string instruments?(I know this is an oddball question. I have a gibson chet atkins solid body electric nylon string and I just hate the fact that the nylon strings have no sustain!!!!) I look forward to your reply. Hayden Porter hporter@uakron.edu From ???@??? Tue May 06 22:57:31 1997 >From kflint Tue May 6 11:09:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOog0-0002SP-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 11:09:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199705061802.LAA19676@scv4.apple.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: new sustainiac sustainer Date: Tue, 6 May 97 13:02:48 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"r90hYC.A.94B.IJ3bz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 11:09:24 -0700 X-UIDL: 7e04d4fde4717c88ba12c3decfc2f8ce > I have seen the term "infinite guitar" in Michael Brook's CDs; is it > related to the sustaniac? (or , maybe, the sustaniac itself?) > It's the same sort of thing, except he built it himself years ago. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Tue May 06 09:25:36 1997 >From kflint Tue May 6 06:13:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOk3N-0001Ra-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 06:13:13 -0700 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 09:11:26 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) Subject: fernandes sustainer Resent-Message-ID: <"brMhVD.A.9OB.E4ybz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 06:13:13 -0700 X-UIDL: 903ec22bc970e2d5c8623f1124e6b9a0 Kim Flint wrote: >I bought a fernandes sustainer pickup for $300 a year or so ago. The pickup >even came with a so-so strat copy attached to it! ;-) I have some questions about this pickup, but first let me give you some background about my dilema. I am a classically trained guitarist/composer. I would like to compose solo electric guitar pieces that explore signal processing and looping. Becuase of my background, I am most comfortable playing with my fingers. Consequently I bought a Chet atkins electric nylon string guitar. It is a really nice guitar but it is not an effective instrument for signal processing or looping because of the limited sustain and sound quality of amplified nylon strings. What I need is an instrument that has the classical string width spacing AND has steel strings. With this combination I can explore long sustain and signal processing with conventional electric guitar technology while not affecting my technique. Any suggestions? Now to get back to the Sustainer pickup.... I foresee some problems with conventional pole pickups and the classical string spacing. Is it possible to use a conventional pickup with this spacing or would active electronics be better? I also wonder if the fernandes sustainer pickup would work with this spacing. I would really love to have infinite sustain by using the fernandes or the sustainiac on an instrument with classical width spacing. Enough ramblings..... I look forward to your reply Hayden Porter hporter@uakron.edu From ???@??? Tue May 06 22:57:37 1997 >From kflint Tue May 6 12:19:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOplr-0007Jd-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 12:19:31 -0700 Message-Id: <199705061914.MAA05896@scv4.apple.com> Subject: Re: ROLAND GP-8 effects question Date: Tue, 6 May 97 14:14:25 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"ICdKXB.A.ehG.BM4bz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 12:19:31 -0700 X-UIDL: b713f83b554895e6b78c1240e25b7f15 >If you want to hear a "classical" looper, find some Conlon Nancarrow. >He devoted most of his career to player piano, mostly because humans >were incapable of playing with the degree of precision and speed he >required. Amazing stuff... profoundly mechanical on one hand, deeply >emotional on the other. As for sonic textures - imagine a player >piano with metal hammers rather than felt, sustain pedal down, blowing >through a light-speed fortissimo 88-key cresendo! I heard that on >vinyl once, but I know it must have been just a pale shadow of the >original performance. That one caused problems for him >mechanically... so little paper was left on the roll that it tended to >shred while playing, especially with the piano vibrating like that. I've got a two-cd overview of his music, and there are several pieces where he had attempted to sync two player pianos. It's challenging listening. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Tue May 06 10:57:17 1997 >From kflint Tue May 6 10:47:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOoKq-00010Y-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 10:47:32 -0700 From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br Date: Tue, 06 May 97 14:40:00 TZ3 Message-Id: <9704068629.AA862954792@jpccmail.poyry.com.br> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re[2]: new sustainiac sustainer Resent-Message-ID: <"FAe9CD.A.2c.hz2bz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 10:47:32 -0700 X-UIDL: 7e6d81c7414505f29468fc73e816563b I have seen the term "infinite guitar" in Michael Brook's CDs; is it related to the sustaniac? (or , maybe, the sustaniac itself?) Miguel ___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________ Assunto: Re: new sustainiac sustainer Autor: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com na INTERNET Data: 06/05/1997 14:29 >Message was resent -- Original recipients were: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com-------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------- This dude is not on the list, I don't think. You have to send to him directly. I forwarded your mail to him already, so don't worry about this one. CC the list if you get any response from him, because there are probably a number of us interested. Looping and sustaining seem to go together...... kim At 8:48 AM -0400 5/6/97, Hayden Porter wrote: >Gary Osborne wrote: > >>Just thought you would like to know that Maniac Music has recently >>introduced a new and improved Sustainiac in-guitar sustainer. We have been >>working on it for about 6 years and it blows away the earlier units. Drop >>us a line if you want more info. >> >>Gary Osborne >>Maniac Music, Inc. >>8320 Meadowbrook Drive >>Indpls, IN 46240 >> >>317-259-8295 >> >>maniac@inetdirect.net > >I second Kims request for more info about this technology. > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue May 06 09:25:48 1997 >From kflint Tue May 6 09:14:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOmss-0002kF-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 09:14:34 -0700 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 12:08:43 -0400 (EDT) From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: <970506120843_708777392@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Hayden Porter Resent-Message-ID: <"m7-t-B.A.mQC.Of1bz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 09:14:34 -0700 X-UIDL: 97d6fa2e83613f025e0685eab585e8ae Hayden, you wrote: > What I need is an instrument that has the classical string width spacing AND has steel strings. With this combination I can explore long sustain and signal processing with conventional electric guitar technology while not affecting my technique. Any suggestions? - Get in touch with the guitar builders at Ithaca Stringed Instruments... they have some incredible electro-acoustic instruments, and will also custom design/build stuff. I currently have a nylon-string guitar and a steel-string; both of which interface beautifully with all my looping/processing gear. I've used them both on tours with exceptional results. You can reach them by vox/fax at 607-397-3544 and they'll send you a catalogue. Great stuff, really! have fun! From ???@??? Tue May 06 10:25:43 1997 >From kflint Tue May 6 10:26:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOo0J-0007OG-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 10:26:19 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 10:14:00 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: new sustainiac sustainer Resent-Message-ID: <"8dOxL.A.7bG.Lf2bz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 10:26:19 -0700 X-UIDL: 0a822ddd293d7e908084b596363f3eda This dude is not on the list, I don't think. You have to send to him directly. I forwarded your mail to him already, so don't worry about this one. CC the list if you get any response from him, because there are probably a number of us interested. Looping and sustaining seem to go together...... kim At 8:48 AM -0400 5/6/97, Hayden Porter wrote: >Gary Osborne wrote: > >>Just thought you would like to know that Maniac Music has recently >>introduced a new and improved Sustainiac in-guitar sustainer. We have been >>working on it for about 6 years and it blows away the earlier units. Drop >>us a line if you want more info. >> >>Gary Osborne >>Maniac Music, Inc. >>8320 Meadowbrook Drive >>Indpls, IN 46240 >> >>317-259-8295 >> >>maniac@inetdirect.net > >I second Kims request for more info about this technology. > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue May 06 22:57:30 1997 >From kflint Tue May 6 11:01:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOoXs-0001tN-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 11:01:00 -0700 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 12:54:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705061754.MAA20180@mail1.texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@mail.texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: ROLAND GP-8 effects question Resent-Message-ID: <"KfaMrD.A.-aB.2B3bz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 11:01:00 -0700 X-UIDL: 6f2cd5f0db9c910dc6ecdb39ee2e93ff hi loopers, i have been offered a Roland GP-8 pretty cheap,, this unit was made from 87'-89'. has anyone on this list ever played through one? or know a source that might provide me with info...any info...likes/dislikes would be helpful. thanks in advance, james From ???@??? Tue May 06 22:57:32 1997 >From kflint Tue May 6 11:31:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOp1d-0003yc-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 11:31:45 -0700 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 11:18:10 -0700 (MST) From: Dan Howarth To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: oberheim matrix-1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"ZO0lkD.A.SOD.Ld3bz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 11:31:45 -0700 X-UIDL: 6c4e3aef6c1109d3e6d979ba7ff9108b hi folks, i don't know what the above is or does, but y'all seem to like oberheim gear quite a bit. there's one for sale at a local store for $400 or so. what's it do? (i remember someone talking about the matrix series a long while ago). **************************************************************** ** Dan Howarth, History/Music, University of Arizona, Tucson ** ** http://www.u.arizona.edu/~howarth (under construction) ** ** http://www.arts.arizona.edu/mus120 (under construction) ** **************************************************************** From ???@??? Tue May 06 22:57:33 1997 >From kflint Tue May 6 11:39:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOp9I-0004Vn-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 11:39:40 -0700 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 14:37:29 -0400 (EDT) From: David Talento X-Sender: legion@omni1 To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Looper's CD status. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"3-jS1C.A.GsD.qj3bz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 11:39:40 -0700 X-UIDL: 64aabff5dae46f895bd66aa187db3b8e I got an email from Ray Peck last week and he asked me to post to the list with the status of the looper's CD. Here's the word from Ray: ====================================================== I have a bag full of all the tapes and letters and payments. Everything has gone to hell here recently, so I haven't been able to get to it (and it doesn't help that *both* of my DAT decks, a 3800 and a d8, died). I'm going to do the project as soon as I get my d8 back from Sony, which should be soon. If you could let the other folks on the list know (I haven't been keeping up with that mail), I'd appreciate it. =========================================================== hope that helps clear up any questions. d- -------- Help Wanted Productions - Bringing you the best in organic electronic and sweaty rock music since we started. Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion Available Now!: "The Feedback Machine" a new studio album from the Music for Isolation Tanks live lineup. Only $6.00 postpaid! From ???@??? Tue May 06 22:57:46 1997 >From kflint Tue May 6 19:31:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOwW1-0002dE-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 19:31:37 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 19:40:26 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: Ravel as a looper Resent-Message-ID: <"IDuFoB.A.8MC.li-bz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 19:31:37 -0700 X-UIDL: a228e6f1453ade2f70e0e4e4858a1130 Carlos: Thanks for your post. The intended focus of "looping" for the Loop Doctors certainly isn't repetition...but just as you say, harmonic, timbral and dynamic movement. As for Ravel...I had a chance to hear his piano piece...Mirrors, a couple of weeks ago. That's what triggered the association. Best, The Loop Doctors From ???@??? Tue May 06 22:57:35 1997 >From kflint Tue May 6 11:58:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOpRO-0005p6-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 11:58:22 -0700 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 13:50:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight Subject: RE: JamMan modifications In-Reply-To: <9705061814.AA09935@beryllium.lexicon.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"gGOhd.A.n_E.d23bz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 11:58:22 -0700 X-UIDL: 5d69f5be23b477e7a43f96083f358988 On Mon, 5 May 1997, Sellon, Bob wrote: > Loop Docs, > The new rom allows both of these things (feedback and volume) to be > patched to continuous controllers from a "Learn" mode (there's also SysEx > control available). You can also switch a loop in and out of the echo > mode and divide it by up to 19 (also patchable). > > Thanks for the input. Its nice to know I'm on the right track. Definitely on the right track! Any idea how much the upgrade will cost? And is it a factory upgrade, or something we can do ourselves? -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Tue May 06 22:57:36 1997 >From kflint Tue May 6 12:08:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOpbO-0006ZB-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 12:08:42 -0700 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 14:01:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: ROLAND GP-8 effects question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"WX31VC.A.yqF.KA4bz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 12:08:42 -0700 X-UIDL: 45c82df44d5981b0f7151850cd0bd525 On Tue, 6 May 1997 mgsam@wave.net wrote: > The Loop Doctors constantly debate the issue of when too much technology is > well, just too much. Right now we think our hands our full between the > Lexicon Jamman, Vortex and Oberheim Echoplex. This equipment seems to lead > to different musical "fields" then synthesizers, although both of us think > synths can be really interesting (check out David Bowie's new album with > Reeves Gabriel for interesting pop application of synth guitar.) > > In another vein, anybody want to debate that point that if Maurice Ravel > were still around he would be a SEVERE, and we mean severe, loophead? I don't know if he would or not... there's a difference between a repetitive texture and a recorded loop. Each has its advantages and disadvantages. "Bolero" is repetitive, but the textures are constantly shifting. If you want to hear a "classical" looper, find some Conlon Nancarrow. He devoted most of his career to player piano, mostly because humans were incapable of playing with the degree of precision and speed he required. Amazing stuff... profoundly mechanical on one hand, deeply emotional on the other. As for sonic textures - imagine a player piano with metal hammers rather than felt, sustain pedal down, blowing through a light-speed fortissimo 88-key cresendo! I heard that on vinyl once, but I know it must have been just a pale shadow of the original performance. That one caused problems for him mechanically... so little paper was left on the roll that it tended to shred while playing, especially with the piano vibrating like that. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Tue May 06 22:57:42 1997 >From kflint Tue May 6 15:39:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOstg-0004MS-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 15:39:48 -0700 From: Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 17:53:20 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199705061753_MC2-158E-1D89@compuserve.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"4PCd8C.A.l5D.-J7bz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 15:39:48 -0700 X-UIDL: e9b4998c2ed361f093993300cb64abec Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: ROLAND GP-8 effects question Report Generation Time: 05/06/97 21:53:15 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Tue May 06 22:57:41 1997 >From kflint Tue May 6 14:58:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOsG7-0001bq-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 14:58:55 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.compuserve.com Tue May 06 14:58:52 1997 Received: from hil-img-1.compuserve.com [149.174.177.131] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOsG1-0001W6-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 14:58:49 -0700 Received: by hil-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id RAA00274; Tue, 6 May 1997 17:57:48 -0400 From: Old-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 17:53:15 -0400 Subject: Message not deliverable To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199705061753_MC2-158E-1D88@compuserve.com> X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 14:58:55 -0700 X-UIDL: bed71cdb916bea3a3829eeaa840c1efb ----------------------------------- Forwarded ---------------------------------- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at CSERVE Date: Tue May 06 15:22:47 1997 To: Russell Gorton at CreatSvc-Ada Subject: Re: ROLAND GP-8 effects question -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Tue May 06 22:57:41 1997 >From kflint Tue May 6 14:59:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOsGk-0001eQ-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 14:59:34 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.compuserve.com Tue May 06 14:59:26 1997 Received: from hil-img-1.compuserve.com [149.174.177.131] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOsGZ-0001Yv-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 14:59:23 -0700 Received: by hil-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id RAA00837; Tue, 6 May 1997 17:58:23 -0400 From: Old-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 17:53:15 -0400 Subject: Message not deliverable To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199705061753_MC2-158E-1D88@compuserve.com> X-Diagnostic: Mail to puserve.com bounced 1 times X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 14:59:34 -0700 X-UIDL: 49b4c1d627b3d11aefdb3ac267e69c33 Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by arl-img-9.com puserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id PAA14579; Tue, 6 May 1997 15:22:24 -0400 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOphe-00071V-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 12:15:10 -0700 Message-Id: <199705061914.MAA05896@scv4.apple.com> Subject: Re: ROLAND GP-8 effects question Date: Tue, 6 May 97 14:14:25 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"ICdKXB.A.ehG.BM4bz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Russell_Gorton@creatsvc-ada.ccmail.compuserve.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 12:15:10 -0700 >If you want to hear a "classical" looper, find some Conlon Nancarrow. >He devoted most of his career to player piano, mostly because humans >were incapable of playing with the degree of precision and speed he >required. Amazing stuff... profoundly mechanical on one hand, deeply >emotional on the other. As for sonic textures - imagine a player >piano with metal hammers rather than felt, sustain pedal down, blowing >through a light-speed fortissimo 88-key cresendo! I heard that on >vinyl once, but I know it must have been just a pale shadow of the >original performance. That one caused problems for him >mechanically... so little paper was left on the roll that it tended to >shred while playing, especially with the piano vibrating like that. I've got a two-cd overview of his music, and there are several pieces where he had attempted to sync two player pianos. It's challenging listening. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Tue May 06 22:57:46 1997 >From kflint Tue May 6 18:59:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wOw0d-0000SB-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 18:59:11 -0700 Message-Id: <199705070156.SAA28402@mailtod-1.alma.webtv.net> From: inti@webtv.net (Carlos Carrillo) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 18:56:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ravel as a looper Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"5YlinB.A.pP.CF-bz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 18:59:11 -0700 X-UIDL: a38d5a661323c8cf9ec487727da8f4bf I believe that the work you are eluding to is the well known orchestral piece Bolero. This piece does indeed make use of repetition, but I think Ravel meant it more as an exposition of orchestral timbre, since the emphasis is largely placed on the shifting tonal colors provided by the different harmonies and combinations of solo and ensemble instruments. Repetition is not the intended focus of this particular work. Harmonic, timbral, and dynamic movement are the primary forces at work. Carlos R. Carrillo From ???@??? Wed May 07 00:03:16 1997 >From kflint Tue May 6 23:30:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wP0F1-0000yk-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 23:30:19 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199705061754.MAA20180@mail1.texas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 23:22:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: ROLAND GP-8 effects question Resent-Message-ID: <"CFDr1B.A.Iq.cCCcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 23:30:19 -0700 X-UIDL: 7af98ef5134067a2a306e32e857474d1 >hi loopers, > >i have been offered a Roland GP-8 pretty cheap,, this unit was made from >87'-89'. >has anyone on this list ever played through one? or know a source that might >provide me with info...any info...likes/dislikes would be helpful. > >thanks in advance, >james If Ravel and Nancarrow were alive today, they would have day jobs as statistical database programmers, too stressed by their cubiclized lifestyle to ever produce a note of music. The Roland GP-8 was one of the first programmable multi-effects processors. It was basically 8 boss pedals in a 1 rack unit. I never owned one or played through one seriously, but what I recall is that you could select whether the effects were on or off, and set a few parameters for each. It wasn't particularly noted for its sound, but I did know someone still using one a year or so ago. I remember lusting after it when it came out, as it was an idea I had held for years while the number of pedals at my feet grew and grew. I think Roland followed it with the even more brilliantly titled GP-16. I wouldn't pay much for the GP-8, myself. If you are just looking for a cheap effects box, you would probably do better looking for a used quadraverb or something. You should give it a try though. Maybe it has just the right sort of lo-fi magic to work for you. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed May 07 00:03:15 1997 >From kflint Tue May 6 23:26:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wP0Be-0000iW-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 23:26:50 -0700 Message-Id: <199705070624.XAA14614@mailtod-2.alma.webtv.net> From: inti@webtv.net (Carlos Carrillo) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 23:24:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ravel as a looper Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"L6mmfC.A.Bi.lACcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 23:26:50 -0700 X-UIDL: 0bec3fbb8d339c5cd559601e24957c30 I understand your reference to Miroirs. There are a lot of interesting repeating ornaments ocurring within this set of pieces, specially in the third one. Very beautiful work. You should also check out Etudes, and a piece called Pagodes by Claude Debussy. I think Debussy might have been a little more adventurous and open to the idea of looping. Then again there is always Erik Satie :) Carlos R. Carrillo From ???@??? Wed May 07 00:03:17 1997 >From kflint Tue May 6 23:55:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wP0dK-0001yv-00; Tue, 6 May 1997 23:55:26 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 23:49:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: oberheim matrix-1000 Resent-Message-ID: <"VtxvwC.A.mvB.wbCcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 23:55:26 -0700 X-UIDL: ea5e25cb7746c4d2008fe8b8b10d5931 The matrix-1000 is a six voice analog synth with 1000 preset sounds available. It is basically like the matrix-6, only without any control interface on it. There are both hardware and software editors available from third parties to program the sounds to something other than the factory presets. I like the sounds of it, and it is a good way to get some analog synth sounds without paying a lot of cash. It's been on the market for about 10 years now, and is still quite popular for dance/techno stuff. It's also a reasonably good choice for guitar synth, as the response time is pretty quick and you can assign each voice to map to a string. I've been thinking about getting one, but the matrix-1000 has nothing to do with looping. kim >hi folks, > >i don't know what the above is or does, but y'all seem to like oberheim >gear quite a bit. there's one for sale at a local store for $400 or so. >what's it do? (i remember someone talking about the matrix series a long >while ago). > >**************************************************************** >** Dan Howarth, History/Music, University of Arizona, Tucson ** >** http://www.u.arizona.edu/~howarth (under construction) ** >** http://www.arts.arizona.edu/mus120 (under construction) ** >**************************************************************** ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed May 07 00:05:00 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 00:08:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wP0q9-0002Vn-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 00:08:41 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 00:02:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Ravel as a looper Resent-Message-ID: <"SoOUX.A.nOC.IoCcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 00:08:41 -0700 X-UIDL: 62837e20e2ed4312095cca6826e2a01a >Carlos: > >Thanks for your post. > >The intended focus of "looping" for the Loop Doctors certainly isn't >repetition...but just as you say, harmonic, timbral and dynamic movement. > >As for Ravel...I had a chance to hear his piano piece...Mirrors, a couple >of weeks ago. That's what triggered the association. > >Best, >The Loop Doctors I agree. Looping is more than just repetition. You need evolution and development as well! I went to see the Orb the other night. They're an excellent example, with elements repeating and changing and coming and going. There were many moments were a nice ambient soundscape would be going, with lots of subtle bits thrown around the surround-sound system, and a few moments later I would notice that a thunderous percussion part would be going too except I never quite noticed where it came in. It just sort of built up out of nothing into prominence. It would loop for a while, mutate, maybe disappear, maybe become something new. The whole performance was great. The Chemical Brothers also played to demonstrate that a) the Orb is really good, and b) it is indeed possible to be louder than Metallica without being anywhere near as entertaining. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed May 07 00:40:30 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 00:18:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wP0zj-0002ux-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 00:18:35 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199705070350.WAA01247@beavis.inetdirect.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 00:13:03 -0700 To: "Gary Osborne" From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: new sustainiac sustainer Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"PGWNMC.A.2oC.qxCcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 00:18:35 -0700 X-UIDL: cd92f78cad6378805fc44267e3bd5b59 Hi Gary, Thanks for your reply. Since you now have the attention of a significant number of folks on our mailing list, would you mind giving us a more detailed description by email? Or perhaps placing your brochure on a web site? I think it would be most appreciated, since the subject of sustain devices has come up a number of times on the Looper's Delight list. I'm not time-endowed enough to forward hardcopy literature back to the net, or I'd take you up on the brochure offer. thanks, kim At 10:32 PM -0500 5/6/97, Gary Osborne wrote: >Our new sustainer is built in like your Fernandes but our middle pickup is >the driver instead of the neck pickup. This lets you use the neck pickup >while the sustainer is on. That's something the Fernandes can't do. Send >us your snail mail address to get a free brochure. Gary O. > >---------- >> From: Kim Flint >> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Cc: Gary Osborne >> Subject: Re: new sustainiac sustainer >> Date: Tuesday, May 06, 1997 2:49 AM >> >> >Just thought you would like to know that Maniac Music has recently >> >introduced a new and improved Sustainiac in-guitar sustainer. We have >been >> >working on it for about 6 years and it blows away the earlier units. >Drop >> >us a line if you want more info. >> > >> >Gary Osborne >> >Maniac Music, Inc. >> >8320 Meadowbrook Drive >> >Indpls, IN 46240 >> > >> >317-259-8295 >> > >> >maniac@inetdirect.net >> >> >> ok, I'm game. Tell me more! >> >> I bought a fernandes sustainer pickup for $300 a year or so ago. The >pickup >> even came with a so-so strat copy attached to it! ;-) >> >> I like the fernandes thingy pretty well. Makes a great sound source for >> loops. How does the new Sustainiac compare to that? What I remember about >> the old sustainiac is that it required external hardware and some large >> device connected to the headstock of the guitar. Hopefully you've >improved >> on that design approach? >> >> thanks, >> >> kim >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >> kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html >> http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed May 07 00:40:31 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 00:31:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wP1CX-0003Xm-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 00:31:49 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 00:26:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: fernandes sustainer Resent-Message-ID: <"U2ncFB.A.HOD.K-Ccz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 00:31:49 -0700 X-UIDL: f0057c95e1298f85111196789eb5bcc2 At 9:11 AM -0400 5/6/97, Hayden Porter wrote: >Kim Flint wrote: >>I bought a fernandes sustainer pickup for $300 a year or so ago. The pickup >>even came with a so-so strat copy attached to it! ;-) >What I need is an instrument that has the classical string width spacing >AND has steel strings. With this combination I can explore long sustain >and signal processing with conventional electric guitar technology while >not affecting my technique. Any suggestions? If you like the Chet Atkins, there are also steel string versions of that guitar, which have the wider string spacing. You might want to check out Godin as well. >Now to get back to the Sustainer pickup.... I foresee some problems with >conventional pole pickups and the classical string spacing. Is it possible >to use a conventional pickup with this spacing or would active electronics >be better? I'm pretty sure there are pickups intended for wider spacing. The kind meant to go in acoustic steel strings? Any guitar designed to be amplified should have a reasonable solution to this. > >I also wonder if the fernandes sustainer pickup would work with this >spacing. I would really love to have infinite sustain by using the >fernandes or the sustainiac on an instrument with classical width spacing. There you'll likely have trouble. The pickup might work fine, but getting one installed properly in a guitar is quite difficult, or so I've heard. There are people who can do it, though. Also, unless it is already in a guitar, you have to specially order it from Japan, which may or may not be hard. I do know a fellow who has several of these installed in PRS guitars. You might want to ask the sustainiac guy if he has a solution that works. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed May 07 01:42:30 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 00:55:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wP1ZO-0004Ll-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 00:55:26 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199705070156.SAA28402@mailtod-1.alma.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 00:49:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Ravel as a looper Resent-Message-ID: <"bMMnv.A.58D.uTDcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 00:55:26 -0700 X-UIDL: 1582a1e34e872bef3a50d1379ee60a7b Hey, lets keep these threads going! The list has swerved way into gear-nerdism lately; and this is a welcome relief. What are some other loop parallels in western classical music? I admit to being fairly ignorant about much beyond the obvious pieces everyone listens to in music appreciation classes. Could one of you guys give us a little tour of the uses of repetition-as-compositional device in classical genres? I'd be real interested. thanks, kim At 6:56 PM -0700 5/6/97, Carlos Carrillo wrote: >I believe that the work you are eluding to >is the well known orchestral piece Bolero. > >This piece does indeed make use of repetition, but I think Ravel meant >it more as an exposition of orchestral timbre, >since the emphasis is largely placed on the shifting tonal colors >provided by the different harmonies and combinations of solo and >ensemble instruments. > > Repetition is not the intended focus of this particular work. Harmonic, >timbral, >and dynamic movement are the primary forces at work. > >Carlos R. Carrillo ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed May 07 01:42:31 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 01:07:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wP1kZ-0004nL-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 01:06:59 -0700 Message-Id: <199705070751.AAA03412@dsp.net> From: "James Reynolds" To: Cc: Subject: Re: JamMan modifications Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 00:50:46 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"lNMuID.A.zZE.1eDcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 01:06:59 -0700 X-UIDL: 9db425e77a0375264b1dadcb8fccceef Glad to hear the promising developments for the JamPerson ROM upgrade. Keep up the good work, Bob! But my number one request for the new version is: If possible, please do something about the jarring "pops" at the loop boundary when synced to MIDI. After several minutes of this effect, I end up writhing on the ground, frothing at the mouth... Thank you kindly, James From ???@??? Wed May 07 00:40:30 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 00:28:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wP19O-0003LG-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 00:28:34 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 00:19:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: efisch@artnet.net (Eric R. Fischer) Subject: Roland GR700 for Sale Resent-Message-ID: <"93hG_B.A.PBD.y6Ccz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 00:28:34 -0700 X-UIDL: 9671da05e53fdde50fb616e8b725a196 I'm not sure how you all feel about people sellin' stuff thru this group, but I figured if anyone would be intereted in this y'all would be. I have a GR707 guitar, a GR700 Synth, and a PG200 programmer for sale. All I'm missing is the 24 pin cable whch you can get thru Roland. Everything is in really good shape (previously owned by Joe Walsh!). I'm asking $750.00 for all of it. Feel free to contact me directly at (213)938-2560. Thanks Eric From ???@??? Wed May 07 02:34:01 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 01:55:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wP2Vg-00063W-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 01:55:40 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199705070751.AAA03412@dsp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 01:49:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: JamMan modifications Cc: Resent-Message-ID: <"WAKb7B.A.slF.KMEcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 01:55:40 -0700 X-UIDL: 7a2fe10812b91e82c27cb6b8ea84f215 At 12:50 AM -0700 5/7/97, James Reynolds wrote: >But my number one request for the new version is: If possible, please do >something about the jarring "pops" at the loop boundary when synced to >MIDI. After several minutes of this effect, I end up writhing on the >ground, frothing at the mouth... > Cool! Do you do this live? Tell me where you're playing next, I'd like to see! :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed May 07 09:57:04 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 08:11:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wP8NO-00023C-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 08:11:30 -0700 Message-Id: <199705071507.IAA24464@scv1.apple.com> Subject: New sustainiac prices Date: Wed, 7 May 97 10:06:27 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"rB_ytB.A.dmB.GqJcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 08:11:30 -0700 X-UIDL: 8a1b5e524f8bd2e877165c739f3606f4 I called the Sustainiac people yesterday, and they said that the prices on the new units run between $250 and $450, depending on options. Some of the available options include remote power, two battery system, rechargable batteries, and dummy coil for hum cancellation. They're sending me a brochure, so if no-one else has found out anything by then, I'd be happy to condense it and pass it on to the group. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Wed May 07 09:57:05 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 08:22:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wP8Xu-0002lH-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 08:22:22 -0700 Message-Id: <199705071520.IAA24378@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: Sustainers and pickups Date: Wed, 7 May 97 10:18:48 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"4bIIeD.A.BVC.S1Jcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 08:22:22 -0700 X-UIDL: 4a342454cb890210465340ffa0dca08c >Does anyone know if Michael Brook is involved with either of these >sustainer devices. He had plans to bring his infinite guitar device >to the market. Or is his system still to come? Brook has always been somewhat evasive on the particulars of the Infinite Guitar, saying that he's considered marketing it and didn't want to give away the secret. All I've ever seen him say is that there are some electronics in the guitar, and more in a unit on the floor. He also maintains that the IG is slightly different from the other systems available. There are only three in existence--Brook, The Edge and Daniel Lanois each have one, all of which were built by Brook. Recently I saw something where he said that he didn't think that he'd pursue selling it, since he realised that he'd have to sell 800 of them to make as much money as he does off one session. I also remember someone attacking him about his air of secrecy, claiming that he'd "borrowed" a lot of the idea from the Roland GR-500. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Wed May 07 09:57:02 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 06:47:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wP749-000603-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 06:47:33 -0700 From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br Date: Wed, 07 May 97 10:42:51 TZ3 Message-Id: <9704078630.AA863027090@jpccmail.poyry.com.br> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re[2]: Ravel as a looper Resent-Message-ID: <"j-NjcC.A.maF.XdIcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 06:47:33 -0700 X-UIDL: 1af1d9f599f438c3d4ae40ce4f692ec3 Although it is not western classical; african pigmees music is based on repetition of diferent patterns at the same time in a very "pure" form. Miguel Barella ___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________ Assunto: Re: Ravel as a looper Autor: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com na INTERNET Data: 07/05/1997 9:26 >Message was resent -- Original recipients were: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com-------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------- Hey, lets keep these threads going! The list has swerved way into gear-nerdism lately; and this is a welcome relief. What are some other loop parallels in western classical music? I admit to being fairly ignorant about much beyond the obvious pieces everyone listens to in music appreciation classes. Could one of you guys give us a little tour of the uses of repetition-as-compositional device in classical genres? I'd be real interested. thanks, kim At 6:56 PM -0700 5/6/97, Carlos Carrillo wrote: >I believe that the work you are eluding to >is the well known orchestral piece Bolero. > >This piece does indeed make use of repetition, but I think Ravel meant >it more as an exposition of orchestral timbre, >since the emphasis is largely placed on the shifting tonal colors >provided by the different harmonies and combinations of solo and >ensemble instruments. > > Repetition is not the intended focus of this particular work. Harmonic, >timbral, >and dynamic movement are the primary forces at work. > >Carlos R. Carrillo ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed May 07 09:57:02 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 06:59:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wP7FX-0006aE-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 06:59:19 -0700 From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br Date: Wed, 07 May 97 10:45:21 TZ3 Message-Id: <9704078630.AA863027849@jpccmail.poyry.com.br> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re[2]: JamMan modifications Resent-Message-ID: <"jcLO6C.A.nBG.toIcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 06:59:19 -0700 X-UIDL: 4d06a3d9f31823b013159ff2f08ba374 I reinforce James' request, this "feature" is very annoying. Miguel Barella ___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________ Assunto: Re: JamMan modifications Autor: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com na INTERNET Data: 07/05/1997 9:26 >Message was resent -- Original recipients were: To: Cc: ----------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- Glad to hear the promising developments for the JamPerson ROM upgrade. Keep up the good work, Bob! But my number one request for the new version is: If possible, please do something about the jarring "pops" at the loop boundary when synced to MIDI. After several minutes of this effect, I end up writhing on the ground, frothing at the mouth... Thank you kindly, James From ???@??? Wed May 07 09:57:04 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 08:10:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wP8Mj-0001zz-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 08:10:49 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'loopers delight'" Subject: Sustainers and pickups Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 11:04:38 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 53 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: <"cILx9C.A.YhB.OpJcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 08:10:49 -0700 X-UIDL: d8ab1fddb3d0444cf73b1a1507817a4e ---quote-- > >I also wonder if the Fernandes sustainer pickup would work with this >spacing. I would really love to have infinite sustain by using the >fernandes or the sustainiac on an instrument with classical width spacing. There you'll likely have trouble. The pickup might work fine, but getting one installed properly in a guitar is quite difficult, or so I've heard. There are people who can do it, though. Also, unless it is already in a guitar, you have to specially order it from Japan, which may or may not be hard. I do know a fellow who has several of these installed in PRS guitars. You might want to ask the sustainiac guy if he has a solution that works. kim ---end quote--- The sustainer should work with wider spacing. Reeves Gabrels has one in his Parker Nitefly. (which has a special extra wide neck) He did have to get a special body. (One that had not been completely milled) The stock parker nitefly body was too thin for the installation of the sustainer. As for pickups with wider spacing you can get them with more than six pole magnets (this design is to not lose signal when bending strings) Or get a pickup with a rail instead of pole pieces. Reeves setup is discussed in the June Guitar Player. He is not using any analog signal. (other than to drive the sustainer) All output is from the GK-2 pickup which feeds a Roland VG-8 and a GR-09. then goes DI to sound board. He gets some great sounds with the VG-8. Some of the pitch shifting and whammy effects on Bowie's "Earthling" is amazing. Ravel: I had to play Bolero in High School (trombone) very boring to play. (the woodwinds and strings get all the interesting parts) later John Ps Does anyone know if Michael Brook is involved with either of these sustainer devices. He had plans to bring his infinite guitar device to the market. Or is his system still to come? From ???@??? Wed May 07 10:03:09 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 10:06:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPAA5-0001tD-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 10:05:53 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 12:56:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <970507125639_1040897806@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sustainers and pickups Resent-Message-ID: <"en3DeC.A.qSB.bSLcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 10:05:53 -0700 X-UIDL: 3950d209014be1ae375b93471b8ef5c4 <> Sorry, but I can't let this bit of persistent mis-information pass uncorrected. The GK-2A pickup sends an ANALOG signal. it is in fact a hexaphonic humbucking magnetic pickup. The VG-8 processes this batch of analog signals using DSP, while the GR-09 converts the analog pitch, envelop, and volume info into MIDI data. dpc From ???@??? Thu May 08 01:44:23 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 10:38:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPAfE-0003w3-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 10:38:04 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Sustainers and pickups Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 13:27:58 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 27 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: <"UJFFQD.A.fHD.tvLcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 10:38:04 -0700 X-UIDL: e3012f74d208ff8c0d070182324494e9 >---------- >From: Dpcoffin@aol.com >Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Sent: Wednesday, May 7, 1997 4:56 PM >To: John_Ott@ATK.COM >Subject: Re: Sustainers and pickups > ><using any analog signal. (other than to drive the sustainer) >All output is from the GK-2 pickup which feeds a Roland VG-8 and a >GR-09.>> >Sorry, but I can't let this bit of persistent mis-information pass >uncorrected. The GK-2A pickup sends an ANALOG signal. it is in fact a >hexaphonic humbucking magnetic pickup. The VG-8 processes this batch of >analog signals using DSP, while the GR-09 converts the analog pitch, envelop, >and volume info into MIDI data. >dpc Well once it gets to the GR-09 and VG-8 it is all digital. I think that was the point of the article. later John > > From ???@??? Thu May 08 01:45:49 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 16:30:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPG9g-0001ub-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 16:29:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199705072315.QAA16848@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: Sustainers and pickups Date: Wed, 7 May 97 18:13:50 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"6HlujB.A.dTB.Q6Qcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 16:29:52 -0700 X-UIDL: b6f85d07d6bbdfcb263bc1117dc22ef0 > >A common use is hexaphonic distortion. If you distort each string >individually and then mix it together, you don't get the inter-modulation >distortion that you get with a normal guitar plugged into a fuzz box. This >basically means that you can play distortion chords without the extreme >muddiness you usually get. > I'd always been fascinated by this idea, but I thought you needed a sepearate speaker for each string. Can you just distort each string seperately and then combine it back into one speaker? Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Thu May 08 01:44:40 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 14:26:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPEE7-0002AK-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 14:26:19 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 17:16:23 -0400 (EDT) From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: <970507171530_1820395093@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Bob Sellon's beauty mods Resent-Message-ID: <"uJ2AhB.A.fhB.6FPcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 14:26:19 -0700 X-UIDL: afcc2d9f132298a88b46f0b621bdb774 Bob... very much want to get this JamMan mod for controlling volume etc via cv pedals... can you inform me pleeeeeze?... just wanted to let you know also that my trusty and loved pcm42 which you modified up all over the place is still the centerpiece of my looping rig... it's been on buncha tours and record dates and I really don't know what I would do without it!... thanks! bestregards, Robby Aceto From ???@??? Thu May 08 01:45:47 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 15:53:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPFaE-0007Ch-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 15:53:14 -0700 Message-Id: <199705072245.PAA12605@dsp.net> From: "James Reynolds" To: Subject: Re: Sustainers and pickups Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 15:42:15 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FmVrGB.A.KVG.8YQcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 15:53:14 -0700 X-UIDL: c813ad0bf645aab7cd07ee6581c6d9ee > The GK-2A pickup sends an ANALOG signal. it is in fact a > hexaphonic humbucking magnetic pickup. neat, i didn't know that! i have a gr-1 and associated gk-2 that i've kind of gotten bored of, but now i'm getting new strange ideas... has anyone tried or considered making an adapter to send those six outputs to a mixer and panning them in the stereo field, or sending each string to a different effect? it simply throttles the imagination... time to dust off the ol' soldering iron! james From ???@??? Thu May 08 01:45:48 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 16:16:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPFx4-00014I-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 16:16:50 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970507231449.008abf90@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 16:14:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Sustainers and pickups Resent-Message-ID: <"ilxu3C.A.3d.HtQcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 16:16:50 -0700 X-UIDL: 8cf5e45d3e8cc6557e511269c8d07776 At 03:42 PM 5/7/97 -0700, you wrote: >> The GK-2A pickup sends an ANALOG signal. it is in fact a >> hexaphonic humbucking magnetic pickup. > >neat, i didn't know that! i have a gr-1 and associated gk-2 that i've kind >of gotten bored of, but now i'm getting new strange ideas... > >has anyone tried or considered making an adapter to send those six outputs >to a mixer and panning them in the stereo field, or sending each string to >a different effect? it simply throttles the imagination... time to dust >off the ol' soldering iron! > Sure, hex output from guitars is nothing new. That was a big part of the Infinity guitar synth we were developing at g-wiz. A common use is hexaphonic distortion. If you distort each string individually and then mix it together, you don't get the inter-modulation distortion that you get with a normal guitar plugged into a fuzz box. This basically means that you can play distortion chords without the extreme muddiness you usually get. The VG-8 is basically making use of this too. Many of it's functions involve processing each string individually. It opens up a lot of possibilities. I think Matthias has built several processors that relied on hex guitar outputs, as have other people I know. The idea predates Roland by a lot. I know people were experimenting with this in the 70's, and probably well before that. Naturally, none of them were commercially successful..... kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 VLSI Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research From ???@??? Thu May 08 01:45:51 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 16:44:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPGNR-0002nE-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 16:44:05 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970507234432.009a3cfc@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 16:44:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Sustainers and pickups Resent-Message-ID: <"0lqAkB.A.VLC.GIRcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 16:44:05 -0700 X-UIDL: 6c244d3fa288bb46374ba6e57d803dcd At 06:13 PM 5/7/97 -0000, you wrote: >> >>A common use is hexaphonic distortion. If you distort each string >>individually and then mix it together, you don't get the inter-modulation >>distortion that you get with a normal guitar plugged into a fuzz box. This >>basically means that you can play distortion chords without the extreme >>muddiness you usually get. >> >I'd always been fascinated by this idea, but I thought you needed a >sepearate speaker for each string. Can you just distort each string >seperately and then combine it back into one speaker? > >Travis Hartnett sure. Its the distortion itself that causes the muddiness. When you have two notes together going into a distortion of some kind, the non-linearities cause a situation where harmonics of each note modulate each other and produce all sorts of other frequencies. These frequencies are generally not harmonically related to the others, resulting in a muddy mess. Unless the speaker is the thing distorting, it has nothing to do with it. If you've ever used pitch shifiting after a distortion effect, you've basically heard the difference. The harmonies created by the pitch-shifting come through just fine, even though each note is a distorted signal. kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 VLSI Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research From ???@??? Thu May 08 01:45:54 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 17:40:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPHG9-0005kY-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 17:40:37 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 20:34:18 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) Subject: VG-8 and hexaphonic processing Resent-Message-ID: <"aZP2SD.A.sDF.z-Rcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 17:40:37 -0700 X-UIDL: c73c0a1e3c731242e16994e6d9ca730f Jim Reynolds wrote: >>has anyone tried or considered making an adapter to send those six outputs >>to a mixer and panning them in the stereo field, or sending each string to >>a different effect? it simply throttles the imagination... time to dust >>off the ol' soldering iron! then Kim Flint wrote: >The VG-8 is basically making use of this too. Many of it's functions involve >processing each string individually. It opens up a lot of possibilities. My understanding is that even though the VG-8 is a super powerful harmonic remodling signal processor it will not allow for signal processing each string individually. I believe you do things like panning each string individually but not have different effects assigned to each string in the way that guitar synths allow for different patches to be assigned to different strings. Please correct me if I am wrong about this. I am very interested in this concept of assigning different sounds to different strings. One of the things that makes the guitar so special is that it is the only polyphonic instrument that can also be multi-timbral whether acoustic or electric. With hexaphonic pickups the multi-timbral part can really be explored in the electronic realm where the variety of sounds is limitless. Please let me know about if the VG-8 can assign different sounds to different strings. I look forward to your replies. Hayden Porter hporter@uakron.edu From ???@??? Thu May 08 01:45:55 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 17:54:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPHT3-0006Wq-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 17:53:57 -0700 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199705080049.RAA11986@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: VG-8 and hexaphonic processing To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 17:49:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Hayden Porter" at May 7, 97 08:34:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"QfbeyC.A.E2F.dMScz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 17:53:57 -0700 X-UIDL: 402f7f9dd04273447a0cca33ec705838 > then Kim Flint wrote: > >The VG-8 is basically making use of this too. Many of it's functions involve > >processing each string individually. It opens up a lot of possibilities. > > My understanding is that even though the VG-8 is a super powerful harmonic > remodling signal processor it will not allow for signal processing each > string individually. I believe you do things like panning each string The VG8 has to be able to process the strings individually. Otherwise, the switchable alternate tuning function (which features individual pitch shifting per string) would not be there. Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu May 08 01:45:56 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 18:35:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPI7B-0000sH-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 18:35:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199705080129.SAA17489@mailtod-2.alma.webtv.net> From: inti@webtv.net (Carlos Carrillo) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 18:29:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sustainers and pickups Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"pj6BhC.A.Og.gyScz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 18:35:25 -0700 X-UIDL: 329cdc28b03719222a9810b4f0f5325c That would be a geat mod ! A while back I inquired about the existence of any pickups that could amplify the strings into six separate outputs. I was quickly given the old - what the hell for ?- reply. (Guitar Center) That kind of facility would make for some fantastic processing possibilities. Please let everyone know if you come up with something. Carlos R. Carrillo From ???@??? Thu May 08 01:45:57 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 18:42:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPIEF-0001KU-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 18:42:43 -0700 Message-Id: <199705080137.SAA18292@mailtod-2.alma.webtv.net> From: inti@webtv.net (Carlos Carrillo) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 18:37:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: VG-8 and hexaphonic processing Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"OX7BBC.A.s9.z5Scz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 18:42:43 -0700 X-UIDL: 89892a59bc7e1c437d9075e0d2f4e8e2 Yes it does process each sting separately, but you cannot use a different effect on each string. I am solely referring to effects such as reverb, delay, etcetera. Carlos R. Carrillo From ???@??? Thu May 08 01:45:57 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 18:56:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPIRK-000259-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 18:56:14 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 21:52:46 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) Subject: Re: VG-8 and hexaphonic processing Resent-Message-ID: <"LxWjrB.A.QxB.0HTcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 18:56:14 -0700 X-UIDL: 56f22c28c9b450744441949dbc737288 >Yes it does process each sting separately, but you cannot use a >different effect on each string. I am solely referring to effects such >as reverb, delay, etcetera. In a nut-shell, what are the processing possiblities (VG-8) for individual strings, so far we've got tunings and panning what else??? From ???@??? Thu May 08 01:45:58 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 19:14:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPIif-0003Jm-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 19:14:09 -0700 Message-Id: <199705080209.TAA21196@mailtod-2.alma.webtv.net> From: inti@webtv.net (Carlos Carrillo) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 19:08:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Bach as a looper Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"NcoKFD.A.O1C.aXTcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 19:14:09 -0700 X-UIDL: 08547501dd9c5433bb751d71c0114d31 The music of the baroque period is the most immediate example I can think of. The Canon is the most obvious form to single out since it was often built up from a repeating ostinato bassline with sort of a call and response harmonic movement riding up on top. The Fugue is another important form which makes use of repetition. In a fugue, a theme called the subject, is announced by one voice then subsequently repeated by various voices. This type of composition builds up incredibly complex layers of sound. I am sure many of you would find a great deal of similarities between looping and these early musical forms. Carlos R. Carrillo From ???@??? Thu May 08 01:45:59 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 19:32:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPJ0X-0004JI-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 19:32:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199705080228.TAA22842@mailtod-2.alma.webtv.net> From: inti@webtv.net (Carlos Carrillo) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 19:28:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: VG-8 and hexaphonic processing Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"lpLZu.A.uyD.OpTcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 19:32:37 -0700 X-UIDL: 3367b667311d7f236aa1c5657e3195ba Polyphonic distortion, but you cannot vary the amount, or lack, of distortion per string. One cool thing about the polyphonic pitch-shift is that it gives you a lot of different options for individual string processing. You can mute, control the balance (between the original and pitch-shifted signal), or change the individual tuning of each string. All to your hearts content ! It is really a lot of fun. Carlos R. Carrillo From ???@??? Thu May 08 01:46:00 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 19:51:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPJIU-0005LA-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 19:51:10 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970508025540.008cef78@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 19:55:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: multi-track recording to pc Resent-Message-ID: <"0yBRfC.A.b0E.S7Tcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 19:51:10 -0700 X-UIDL: 958c3ab6f9c9b6db2d77038f10f94eb5 A coworker was just asking me a question that some of you may know the answer to. He wants to do multi-track live recording direct to hard disk on a pc. (not a mac) He would prefer to have all the a/d conversion done externally with a digital link to the pc. He needs at least 8 tracks simultaneously, preferably more, so he can mic his drum set and have some tracks left for other instruments. Does anyone know a way to do this? Is there a pro tools equivalent for the PC? External A/D boxes with connections to a pci card? Anything? This is pretty off topic, so feel free to email me directly. thanks, kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 VLSI Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research From ???@??? Thu May 08 01:46:01 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 20:03:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPJU8-000650-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 20:03:12 -0700 Message-ID: <337140BD.C073C766@ccnet.com> Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 19:55:57 -0700 From: Roland Eberle Reply-To: roland@ccnet.com Organization: System User X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b3 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: While we're on the subject... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"RBN10C.A.5WF.FFUcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 20:03:12 -0700 X-UIDL: 72cb8e0d45b3e5ae2d4ec7a104118d38 Since it's been a hot topic lately and there may be some folks out there looking for either of these I'll post a for sale message: Casio PG-380 midi guitar (the strat like one with on board synth as well as being a very nice guitar in its own right) which can also be used as a midi controller for any sound module...$675.00 Also I just recently bought a Fernandes AFR-70S offset dbl cutaway rosewood fingerboard with the Sustainer pickup at neck, single coil middle,humbucker bridge...whammy bar. White. virtually brand new (Selling cause I bought another more expensive model I liked it so much the sustainer is WAY cool IMHO) these list for $799..I paid $450...yours for $400 obo sorry if posting a FS ad isn't PC but since we are on the subject... reply to me at roland@ccnet.com or roland@sj.bigger.net thanks Roland Eberle ps.. I am not a dealer...just happen to have these 2 for sale as I am trying to raise money for other junk...like the rest of us I guess From ???@??? Thu May 08 01:46:09 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 20:46:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPK9k-0000Xq-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 20:46:12 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 23:39:24 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) Subject: Re: Ravel as a looper Resent-Message-ID: <"zzoEqC.A.yH.7rUcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 20:46:12 -0700 X-UIDL: 0c12f2009be96c4d0cec5296c104305b >Hey, lets keep these threads going! The list has swerved way into >gear-nerdism lately; and this is a welcome relief. What are some other loop >parallels in western classical music? I admit to being fairly ignorant >about much beyond the obvious pieces everyone listens to in music >appreciation classes. Could one of you guys give us a little tour of the >uses of repetition-as-compositional device in classical genres? I'd be real >interested. I agree about the importance of this thread eventhough I am a tech culprit myself with the VG-8 thread... Repetition-as-compositional device in classical genres.... Boy that is hard a hard one. It seems to me that all good composition is the proper balance of repetition and variety. Repetition is necessary for consistency and variety is necessary to intrest the audience. The amount of repetition or variety is a matter of personal taste. Ramblings 1: It seems that the modernist movement, which is entrenched in the academic setting, which is where classical music resides in the US, feels rather strongly against being obvious in your compositional process. Consequently direct repetition is almost always frowned upon by Modernist music theory and composition professors. All of my composition and theory professors have always stressed the theme and developement concept of music composition (basically a Beethoven mindset). This means that you never state the same thing twice but always changing melodically, rhythmically, harmonically etc. There are other ways of composing but this is the so called "classical way". There is a big rift between the modernist folks and the minimalist composers of the 60's,(post modernists mabey??) because instead of developing themes these composers(minimalist) create a slow but recognizable process of change throughout a piece. There is really no concept of theme/development, rather it is conveying an recognizable process that is important. The division also comes about because the 60's "minimalist" process is usually simple and recognizable in contrast to the extremely complex processes of integral serialism, stoachastic, and computer musics which are the avant guard of the modernist movement. Direct repetition is certainly a big part of Reich's and Glass's music and consequently it sounds very different from Stockhausen and Boulez. Ramblings 2: For classical compositional techniques I suppose you could start out with canons as being a technique that is certainly relavent to loopers and is a common thing found in classical music and almost any kind of music. Row Row Row your boat....:-) A passacaglia or a ground could also be a type of composition possible with looping. Create a melody that loops, then create a different context for the melody each time it comes around. Or create a chord or harmonic progression that loops and create melodies and counter lines as the progression loops. Ostinatos are another repetitive technique used by classical composers although people in the real world call 'em grooves. Canon, passacaglia and ground are common in any contrapuntal style. That means Rennaissance, Baroque, 20th century. There are the looped compositions of the 60's minimalist and electronic music crowd, Riech, Glass, etc. I think that Pauline Oliveros used tape loops in some of her tape compositions. Tape loops and the various techniques of reverse, speed change, were and still are mainstays of electronic music even when not using a tape recorder. Ramblings 3: For me, trying to perform live looped music on electric guitar is a bit different than composing a "classical" piece for an ensemble of acoustical instruments. Since we are very reliant on technology to help us create our works we have to make compositional or improvisational descisions that work within the functions of the technology.(a form of algorithmic composition??) In my opinion, classical compositional techniques are rooted in the germanic concept of theme and development and they would be really difficult (but not impossible) to pull off in a live looped context. Trying to change something melodically or rhythmically that has already been recorded in a delay unit or phrase sampler is almost impossible. You could use the tape loop techniques(reverse, speed change,signal processing) but that is about it. Not much room for theme and development in the "classical way". I think that the 60's minimalist process is more in tune with live looping than the "classical" theme and development way. (I guess that is why live looping more or less comes from that music) In addition since the "minimalist" way was influenced by african and eastern musical thought then mabey these musics are fertile ground for looped compositional technique. Gamelon music is based on a heirarchy of repetative patterns. The higher pitched instruments play fast subdivsion patterns while the lower pitched instruments play slower subdivision patterns and help to articulate the form of the composition.(over simplification) African and Latin american percussion music is a complex web of repeating rhythms of differnt lengths creating complex polyrhythms.(over simplification) Enough ramblings....I will give it some more thought and try again. I would like to hear how other loopers create a sense of form, growth and change in their music by using repetition. -Do you plan your music in advance or is it always spontaineous? -What do you consider to be the your most effective compositional technique(s) when creating live looped music that relies on technology to produce the loops? (how about gear independant comments on this one) later, Hayden hporter@uakron.edu From ???@??? Thu May 08 01:46:12 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 22:29:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPLlR-0006om-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 22:29:13 -0700 Message-ID: <3371652B.787@crystalball.com> Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 00:31:23 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@crystalball.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sustainers and pickups References: <199705072245.PAA12605@dsp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YUSoPB.A.NAG.HNWcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 22:29:13 -0700 X-UIDL: 9f46b05b2bec11ad8dea679d2aa0890d James Reynolds wrote: > > > The GK-2A pickup sends an ANALOG signal. it is in fact a > > hexaphonic humbucking magnetic pickup. > > neat, i didn't know that! i have a gr-1 and associated gk-2 that i've kind > of gotten bored of, but now i'm getting new strange ideas... > > has anyone tried or considered making an adapter to send those six outputs > to a mixer and panning them in the stereo field, or sending each string to > a different effect? it simply throttles the imagination... time to dust > off the ol' soldering iron! > > james I saw a guitar at Brook Mays Music in Dallas a couple of years ago that had 1 pickup, a volume knob, 6 pan knobs, and stereo output. You could place each string anywhere in the stereo field. Rare, bizarre, and I think it was a Washburn or Ibanez. Motley From ???@??? Thu May 08 01:46:13 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 22:40:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPLwJ-0007PC-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 22:40:27 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 01:36:35 -0400 (EDT) From: PainPete@aol.com Message-ID: <970508013316_-930580470@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: multi-track recording to pc Resent-Message-ID: <"OyQc5B.A.rzG.iaWcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 22:40:27 -0700 X-UIDL: 719aa08974feb54c8465f09b636087a8 Digidesign Session 8? In a message dated 97-05-08 00:17:08 EDT, you write: << Subj: multi-track recording to pc Date: 97-05-08 00:17:08 EDT From: kflint@chromatic.com (Kim Flint) Resent-from: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com A coworker was just asking me a question that some of you may know the answer to. He wants to do multi-track live recording direct to hard disk on a pc. (not a mac) He would prefer to have all the a/d conversion done externally with a digital link to the pc. He needs at least 8 tracks simultaneously, preferably more, so he can mic his drum set and have some tracks left for other instruments. Does anyone know a way to do this? Is there a pro tools equivalent for the PC? External A/D boxes with connections to a pci card? Anything? This is pretty off topic, so feel free to email me directly. thanks, kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 VLSI Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research >> From ???@??? Thu May 08 01:46:14 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 23:17:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPMWG-0001GX-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 23:17:36 -0700 Message-Id: <199705080609.XAA21710@dsp.net> From: "James Reynolds" To: Subject: Re: multi-track recording to pc Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 23:09:01 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CvgQ0D.A.A8.U5Wcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 23:17:36 -0700 X-UIDL: 173c9ac9973a979fff16c42934ae49ac a couple issues of keyboard magazine earlier this year profiled the world of pc digital audio recording, discussing the hardware and software options currently available. just in the past year or so, the pc pro audio industry has really taken off - there are several high quality multitrack i/o options available. of course, i can't actually say anything actually useful such as specifically what those options are or what months those issues were, but that's a direction to look in... james From ???@??? Thu May 08 01:46:14 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 23:32:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPMkH-0001qt-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 23:32:05 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 May 97 01:29 CDT From: "kim corbet" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ravel as a looper Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: POPmail 2.3b2 Resent-Message-ID: <"3i1FyD.A.NkB.3KXcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 23:32:05 -0700 X-UIDL: f0dcf8aea2812b6c4693ad35b499523d > Enough ramblings....I will give it some more thought and try again. Hayden...nice summation. I think it's important to look at how styles are rooted in the past, for perspective and inspiration. I like to think free improvisation is at the heart of much musical evolution. Lack of documentation masks the value of such ancient (and modern) musical experimentation, the joy of stirring experience with creativity, seeing the value of "accidents" in the developmental process...always looking for evocative techniques, tools and ways of combining/extrapolating sounds and textures. I never tire of reconfiguring my set-up, trying new approaches. I'm constantly finding different ways to think and feel; to be, on occassion, more efficient and, on another, more measured and deliberate. No matter how much I explore the cave system, there's always another hidden room...another vein. > I would like to hear how other loopers create a sense of form, growth and > change in their music by using repetition. ......In GOUGE, 2 of us have boomerangs and 2 have jamulators. The drummer is constantly feeding a drum machine with his Roland Spud. We use no midi on the loopers and, therefore, have the potential of 5 independent multi-layered loops going at any one time, plus whatever live stuff may be happenin. By being aware of musical roles that organically emerge, it's great to hear the parallel layers of different loops speaking to each other through common language and emotional content. Lines, counterlines, insects, ascending phrases, distortion, note matching, a myriad of relationships....an aside, it is so cool and enlightening to be able to establish a loop and walk over to the guitarist or whoever to check out their perspective. Often, at some point in the session, we may all be walking around the space, bumping into each other or into the audience or to the john or whatever...yet we're still THERE performing. What a trip. > -Do you plan your music in advance or is it always spontaineous? .......as you know by now, I love free improv, everything else seems stale by comparison. Thank God someone's still singing Gesualdo Motets. I'm happy to listen and be inspired by their work. Ideally, I want to be right where the brain sparks come from, allowing the music to flow directly from performers, audience, the effects of that evening's sushi buffet...as strained through the bowels of considerable practice and professionalism. > -What do you consider to be the your most effective compositional > technique(s) when creating live looped music that relies on technology to > produce the loops? .........Growing up as an acoustic performer, I want the technology to be as immediate and responsive as possible. That's why I like the rang. It was made by musicians for live music making. (understand: this has nothing to do with other looper developers...whew...glad I thought to say that) Anyway, for me, compositional techniques are derived from musical motivation. Funky grooves, chantlike pedals, soaring harmonies, short delays to accent solo lines, slowly evolving textures that spin off a myriad of fascinating colors. First the inspiration, then the techniques to satisfy the needs. The allure of loopers is their flexibility to enhance a thousand different musical situations and the challenge of mastering their capabilities to let performers reach more of their own potential. In other words, yadayadayada... From ???@??? Thu May 08 01:46:18 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 23:48:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPMzz-0002ds-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 23:48:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199705080642.XAA12174@mailtod-2.alma.webtv.net> From: inti@webtv.net (Carlos Carrillo) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 23:42:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ravel as a looper Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"5RFPPB.A.XMC.iXXcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 23:48:19 -0700 X-UIDL: 96ed91267abcab781e71cd21bae5cadc I think it is important to remember that some composers tried to break free of the germanic aesthetic by turning their back on many of the established forms and methods of musical composition as far back as the late 1800's. Claude Debussy was one of the first radical innovators. A true revolutionary in the musical world. A man who almost single handedly changed the course of an art form that had become stagnant and complacent as the result of years of conservative teachings and practices. One of my favorite orchestral pieces is "La Mer" (The Sea). In this work Mister Debussy conveys in music the many facets and transformations of an ocean. Even though the piece is subtitled as three symphonic sketches, it is far from being a conventional work of the time. Themes are only hinted, melodies are almost formless, the piece through its entirety is constantly moving and changing. Dynamics! Dynamics! Dynamics! I hope to be able to apply some of these ideas of constant evolution to my looped compositions. I have some of the tools mentioned in this mailing list (Jam-man, Echoplex DP, Vortex, Boomerang) and even though I have discovered that each has its own endearing qualities. I find myself preferring the way looping is implemented in the Vortex and Boomerang. I like the way volume (Vortex) and dynamic replacement (added material gradually lowers the volume of previous material in the Boomerang) affect the way a loop varies over time. Lowering the feedback control or using a pedal to alter feedback does not have the same effect. I hope to see something like this implemented in the Rom of the higher-end units as a user option for the future. Carlos R. Carrillo From ???@??? Thu May 08 01:46:19 1997 >From kflint Wed May 7 23:51:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPN3Q-0002qV-00; Wed, 7 May 1997 23:51:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199705080645.XAA23480@dsp.net> From: "James Reynolds" To: Subject: Re: multi-track recording to pc Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 23:45:18 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"hIF1W.A.HYC.LbXcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 23:51:52 -0700 X-UIDL: 22679eca753848b2b6188e76ce397772 > of course, i can't actually say anything actually useful such as > specifically what those options are or what months those issues were, but > that's a direction to look in... > ok, i got off my lazy butt and looked it up. check out the february and march 97 issues of keyboard magazine. so i guess there were only two 8-track options profiled. but there were some four track options, and some recording software lets you use four stereo soundcards simultaneously. but the 8-track interfaces in the articles are: digidesign session 8 pc 882 i/o board list $995 www.digidesign.com spectral prisma adax-8818 audio interface list $2995 www.spectalinc.com james From ???@??? Thu May 08 09:57:43 1997 >From kflint Thu May 8 02:34:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPPao-0001g4-00; Thu, 8 May 1997 02:34:30 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 05:30:05 -0400 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: Ravel as a looper To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199705080530_MC2-1630-73E3@compuserve.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"RRrkIC.A.eVB.s1Zcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 02:34:30 -0700 X-UIDL: 28fe100d344ed6badc3fcee240a3f4b1 Hayden wrote, >There are the looped compositions of the 60's minimalist and electronic >music crowd, Riech, Glass, etc. I think that Pauline Oliveros used tape >loops in some of her tape compositions. Tape loops and the various >techniques of reverse, speed change, were and still are mainstays of >electronic music even when not using a tape recorder. that's right ... for those interested, I'd like to recommend my little "history of looping" essay, to be found on our website - it also mentiones Pauline Oliveros and the minimalist tape techniques. Why don't you (and/or the other classically trained loopists) put together something about repetition (and the beginning of looping) in classical (or other) music, for the website? I think it is a very interesting topic, and although I've mentioned classical music in the essay, I couldn't go into details (also, I really don't know much about it). ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm Support the Warr Guitar Defense Fund http://home.earthlink.net/~greendog/warrfund.html From ???@??? Thu May 08 09:57:47 1997 >From kflint Thu May 8 05:57:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPSld-0003b3-00; Thu, 8 May 1997 05:57:53 -0700 From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br Date: Thu, 08 May 97 09:52:05 TZ3 Message-Id: <9704088631.AA863110447@jpccmail.poyry.com.br> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re[2]: Sustainers and pickups Resent-Message-ID: <"5h73cD.A.fBD.-zccz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 05:57:53 -0700 X-UIDL: 457535e97250eb5a944f7ad28565676c >A common use is hexaphonic distortion. If you distort each string >individually and then mix it together, you don't get the inter-modulation >distortion that you get with a normal guitar plugged into a fuzz box. This >basically means that you can play distortion chords without the extreme >muddiness you usually get. > I'd always been fascinated by this idea, but I thought you needed a sepearate speaker for each string. Can you just distort each string seperately and then combine it back into one speaker? Travis Hartnett ========================================================= Yes, the Roland GR 300 has this feature: an hexa magnetic pick up that distorts each string than mixes the signal and sends a mono output. The result is a very "clean" sound if compared to a fuzz box. Maybe Matthias Grob can tell you more about his experience with an hexa piezo with individual string output and distortion. A very unusual and nice sound. Miguel Barella From ???@??? Thu May 08 09:57:49 1997 >From kflint Thu May 8 06:04:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPSrc-0004Al-00; Thu, 8 May 1997 06:04:04 -0700 From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br Date: Thu, 08 May 97 09:58:20 TZ3 Message-Id: <9704088631.AA863110708@jpccmail.poyry.com.br> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: multi-track recording to pc Resent-Message-ID: <"d7gFm.A.MnD.v5ccz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 06:04:04 -0700 X-UIDL: 63fa5357c1083b0a341725dbb2beeeac A coworker was just asking me a question that some of you may know the answer to. He wants to do multi-track live recording direct to hard disk on a pc. (not a mac) He would prefer to have all the a/d conversion done externally with a digital link to the pc. He needs at least 8 tracks simultaneously, preferably more, so he can mic his drum set and have some tracks left for other instruments. Does anyone know a way to do this? Is there a pro tools equivalent for the PC? External A/D boxes with connections to a pci card? Anything? This is pretty off topic, so feel free to email me directly. thanks, kim =============================================================== Try the Wave Center board. www.frontierdesign.com Miguel Barella From ???@??? Fri May 09 01:10:40 1997 >From kflint Thu May 8 11:15:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPXiw-0000ha-00; Thu, 8 May 1997 11:15:26 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 11:18:59 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: Bach as a looper Resent-Message-ID: <"mPteNB.A.8F.6Yhcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 11:15:26 -0700 X-UIDL: ffe1a3097dda5f6575f08d0630bd02b1 Carlos: I was talking to my piano teacher about Bach and looping yesterday, so your post was quite timely. There is no doubt that Bach would have been a looper. The use of polyphonic voices is the first thing most musicians think of when they are first exposed to looping technology. I'm playing Friday night and I'm actually going to loop the bass line of a back minuet in F and then develop on the key on the treble cleff...but that said, the other stuff we do looping goes in a couple of other distinct directions. Are you familiar with the Renaissance composer Thomas Tallis? The kind of modal sound that his early choral works (40 voices) develops is really interesting in light of the ambient "texture" that one can develop by using a looper. We try to pop harmonics, manipulate Ebows, use volume swells, distotion, feeback etc to product different voices that meld and fugue. It's like texture. Reminds me of the Romantic painters in terms background...skies. Think Turner. My piano teacher thought of Bartok...but I have to go back and listen again. One "ambient" opening to a great symphony is Mahler's Symphony #1, sometimes called the Titan. Ever heard the opening of the original Star Trek theme (Space the final frontier)...don't laugh, I'd bet blood that tv composer was stealing from Mahler. I haven't talked about the a-tonal school, I have to go back and listen. But that kind of ambient/serial sound is also part of looping, but completely different in feel from the polyphonic/archetectural sound of a Bach fugue. Best, Kevin From ???@??? Fri May 09 01:10:41 1997 >From kflint Thu May 8 11:29:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPXwd-0001ea-00; Thu, 8 May 1997 11:29:35 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 11:32:25 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: Ravel as a looper Resent-Message-ID: <"pGfdU.A.Y_.hlhcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 11:29:35 -0700 X-UIDL: 4ef6faefb889b668658f74fa74c38f90 Hayden: Interesting post. One thought...it is difficult for one player to do theme and development with ONE looper. However...throw in more loopers... The Loop Doctor's employ four seperate loopers when we play live, plus a pair of Lexicon Vortex processors. We are trying not to incorporate any other technology at this point. Our manta currently is "know your loopers and your Vortex, and your PA..." Eat, drink and sleep your machines until you become like the military man who can break down the rifle in the dark. At that point the music and the technology should hopefully come together. One can fade multiple Jammen and Echoplexes in and out to explore variations on themes, etc. With two players, there is more time to develop stuff without dropping the ball. Also, another thing we've learned: silence and looping go together like the bee and the honey. Do not be afraid of silence. The audience wants a rest at times. Best, THE LOOP DOCTORS From ???@??? Thu May 08 09:57:45 1997 >From kflint Thu May 8 04:24:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPRJ5-0001wx-00; Thu, 8 May 1997 04:24:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199705081121.EAA25443@dsp.net> From: "James Reynolds" To: Subject: Re: Sustainers and pickups Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 04:20:35 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"PJr4qB.A.2oB.cdbcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 04:24:19 -0700 X-UIDL: d36cc5749f63267618e4d4eee26bfd41 hi all, this discussion of hexaphonic pickups is extremely interesting and stimulating, but i don't think i've seen an answer to my initial question... does anyone happen to know if the roland gk-2 pickup output can in fact be used directly as a hexaphonic source, i.e., just rigging up an adapter to send the six individual strings wherever one pleases? hexaphonic thought: playing a six-stringed part and looping the low E, D, and B strings in 4/4 in the plex, and the A, G, and high E in 3/4 in the jamperson (synced w/ midi). or something. also, anyone know if the hexaphonic approach is how charlie hunter sends his low strings to a bass rig and high strings to a guitar rig? (okay, septaphonic...) thanks... james From ???@??? Fri May 09 09:38:20 1997 >From kflint Fri May 9 06:42:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPpw1-0001SD-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 06:42:09 -0700 Message-Id: <9705091338.AA21178@beryllium.lexicon.com> Priority: urgent Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 09:46:00 -0400 From: "Sellon, Bob" Subject: RE: RE: JamMan modifications To: Loopers-Delight X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Resent-Message-ID: <"whK-4C.A.QGB.qgycz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 06:42:09 -0700 X-UIDL: 88b0438142be311021a5a6d60fa9b38f Kim wrote: >I didn't totally follow the "page" thing. How is that again? >What do you mean by "simultaneous loops"? Do you mean four independent >tracks playing at once as a loop? I didn't think the Jamdude had the >processing muscle to do anything like that. Or do you mean four discrete >loops which are available to switch between? I'm actually talking about 4 independent tracks playing at once. It was something that I really wanted to get into the original Jamman but we couldn't figure out how to deal with it in the user interface. The answer was the concept of a "page". In the new software I'm working on, I refer to the combination of all loops currently playing as a page. Each page can contain up to 4 loops/delays/samples (channels?), each with a separate level and pan control. You tap in the first loop in a page then select other channels which, currently, are initialized to the same size as the first loop. We currently allow a particular channel to be divided down when in the echo mode but I will probably fold that into the loop mode as well. When you need a clean slate, you switch to a new page. The new page gives you up to four new loops/delays/samples. We are currently have up to 4 pages. Each page stores the pan and level of each loop/channel. Pages are changed on the loop boundries which is where I am running into problems with the odd loop sizes. The hardware is capable of having all four loops be any size whatsoever but I still have to work through some of the issues of changing pages, etc.. With regard to the processing muscle of the Jamman, there is actually some to spare even with the features I have mentioned. The original Jamman only used a microscopic portion of the audio processing power of the DSP in the box. There are limitations to what I can do with the remaining processing power but the prospects are pretty exciting. The DSP at work here is the same processor that generates all those lovely reverbs that Lexicon is known for. I'm trying to do as much as I can with the hardware but I'm deeply concerned about the user interface. >The issue of rhythmic freedom vs. various degrees of synchronization is a >fundamental problem with multiple loops, I think. The effort involved in >making these features musically useful on the echoplex was huge, but worth >it. Basically, you have to give the musician the option to choose. And the >musician should be able to make the decision on the fly, with a minimal >amount of setup. Some musicians (like Matthias) do not want any >synchronization, insisting that they always be free to tap the lengths >wherever they please. And some, (like me sometimes) want precise >synchronization, allowing for polyrhythmic relationships. And most times, >different types of music and different situations just call for one or the >other. Tough challenge for the designer! Definitely. As I said, I'm very concerned about the user interface for this kind of stuff. I really don't want to spend a lot of time on features that are so weird or to hard to use, that no one uses them. Ed said: >Bob, is there a way to offer both functions to the JamMan upgrade depending >on which "mode" you wanted? Obviously if you are in the "synced" mode you >would want all loops to be the same length. Kim wrote: >Actually, no. Sometimes you want them to be multiples of each other. Say >loop 1 is a four bar verse section. For loop 2, you want a 16 bar chorus >loop. So it has to be exactly 4 times the length of loop 1. That's a pretty >common need. Actually, yes. As I said earlier, in Jamman the loops can be any sized. It's managing them that is the problem. My current thinking is to let each loop (in a "page" of up to 4) play out then switch to the loop assigned to that channel in the next page. Given this senerio, would you like the alignment of the loops in the new page to be initially sync'd in any way or just start at the loop boundry of the previous loop/channel? Ed wrote: > One thing I've found >frustrating if not impossible to do with the JamMan is if I'm playing a >rhythmic loop with the JamMan but I'm not synced up to anything (drum >machine, sequencer), say I'm just playing guitar and I want to switch to a >second loop it is very hard if not impossible get the second loop to be >exactly timed right. My timing is pretty good but but it still takes >several passes, if I'm lucky, to get the second loop to line up. This >limits trying to use this live. Kim wrote: >You need a good time copying function. It should let you record the second >loop while the time is being set up, so that there is no interruption in >the performance. The second loop should somehow stop recording and begin >looping automatically when it reaches a multiple of the first loop. The >echoplex does this by combining the NextLoop and Insert functions, which >worked out miraculously well. Ed, I not exactly clear on why you are having so much trouble syncronizing the second loop. If you are using multiple loops, you should always "Tap" on the first beat of the loop. This is vitally important because this is the point at which changes from one loop to another take place. If you tap on 3, Jamman will start initializing the second loop on the third beat of your current loop which gets confusing real quick. When you tap in the first loop try to tap exactly on the first beat. All of the loops are the same size on the current Jamman so the second loop will automatically be the same size as the first. Remember, however, that you DON'T need to tap in the second loop. Simply use the loop (? Channel?) button to select the next loop and let Jamman handle the rest. The "time copy" function is built in and automatic. Ed wrote: >If the loops didn't have to be exactly the >same length though, you could switch loops and even if the second loop was >slightly shorter or longer than the first it wouldn't matter as each loop >would maintain its own "integrity". >There are times when I do want to sync so it would be nice to have either >mode available. Maybe there is a way to implement both depending on which >mode you want to access, synced or non-synced. What do you think? I think it can be done, I just need to work through a few senerios. I am working on it, however, so I'll keep you posted. Thanks for the input. It's definitely appreciated. Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec From ???@??? Thu May 08 09:57:52 1997 >From kflint Thu May 8 06:59:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPTjb-0001fM-00; Thu, 8 May 1997 06:59:51 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 09:53:44 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) Subject: Classical repetion techniques Resent-Message-ID: <"ROilaC.A.4DB.3rdcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 06:59:51 -0700 X-UIDL: 0561e867950009044c309ca5e20f4a71 Michael Peters wrote: >Why don't you (and/or the other classically trained loopists) put together >something about repetition (and the beginning of looping) in classical (or >other) music, for the website? While I am thinking about, the composer Olivier Messiaen is known for using repetition. His orchestral piece Turangalila Symphonie (1946-48) makes extensive use of repetition eventhough you would never actually hear it or even see it in the score. He creates a very complex polyrhythmic texture by combining repeating long rhythm and pitch patterns of different lenghts. Many of the patterns are longer than 16 beats and some as long as 50 beats. He also makes use of isorhythm which is an interesting repetitive technique that comes from early music. With an isorhythm you have two patterns of different lengths happening at the same time. The catch is that the patterns are in seperate musical parameters. A typical isorhythm will have a repeating pitch pattern and a repeating rhythm pattern but both are of different lengths. Ex. Pitch pattern is: C D E F (4 events to the pattern) Rhythm pattern is: quarter note, eigth note, eigth note (3 events) When combined you get a macro pattern that repeats every 12 events Q=quarter note E=eight note C D E F, C D E F, C D E F | C D E F..... Q E E, Q E E, Q E E, Q E E | Q E E...... But you dont have to be limited to using just the duration and pitch musical paremeters. You have intensity, timbre and position in space to experiment with too. Timbral, pitch, rhythm isorhythm: P=piano G=guitar M=marimba F=flute B=bassoon V=violin Pitch -C D E F, C D E F, C D E F | C D E F..... Rhythm -Q E E, Q E E, Q E E, Q E E | Q E E...... timbre -P G M F B V, P G M F B V | P G M F B V...... later, Hayden hporter@uakron.edu From ???@??? Thu May 08 09:57:53 1997 >From kflint Thu May 8 07:00:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPTkL-0001jj-00; Thu, 8 May 1997 07:00:37 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 09:54:36 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) Subject: RE: Classical loop article Resent-Message-ID: <"te2qbD.A.HJB.psdcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 07:00:37 -0700 X-UIDL: ffaabd2c061008227db1ec1d73c88bda Michael Peters wrote: >Why don't you (and/or the other classically trained loopists) put together >something about repetition (and the beginning of looping) in classical (or >other) music, for the website? I think it is a very interesting topic, and >although I've mentioned classical music in the essay, I couldn't go into >details (also, I really don't know much about it). Sounds like a good idea but also a very big project considering there is about 1000 years of music there. Is there anyone who would like to work with me on this? Next topic.... Has anyone on the list done any research on how repetition is used on non western musical cultures? I would like to learn more about how repetition is used in Gamelon music, African drumming, latin american drumming and other cultures? later, Hayden hporter@uakron.edu From ???@??? Thu May 08 09:57:53 1997 >From kflint Thu May 8 07:08:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPTrW-0002N6-00; Thu, 8 May 1997 07:08:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 10:01:56 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) Subject: Hexapohic pickups Resent-Message-ID: <"Of4wbB.A.jxB.xzdcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 07:08:02 -0700 X-UIDL: 70905c81c1deafb7238ef3c3d7b6dce1 James Reynolds wrote: >does anyone happen to know if the roland gk-2 pickup output can in fact be >used directly as a hexaphonic source, i.e., just rigging up an adapter to >send the six individual strings wherever one pleases? Its my understanding that with the gk pickups the hexphonic signal is multiplexed by the pickup and then sent to the midi converter where it is de-multiplexed and converted into midi messages. Please correct me if I am wrong. I dont think the gk pickup was designed to be used as a general 6 output pickup that would allow you to do what you wanted with the 6 output signals. I think you would need a general purpose 6 output pickup to do the trick with the mixer. I have no idea where you are going to find such a pickup but there has got to be something out there! Hayden hporter@uakron.edu From ???@??? Thu May 08 09:57:55 1997 >From kflint Thu May 8 07:34:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPUHS-0003oQ-00; Thu, 8 May 1997 07:34:50 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 09:31:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: multi-track recording to pc In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970508025540.008cef78@pop.chromatic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"o59bXD.A.9WD.7Oecz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 07:34:50 -0700 X-UIDL: 7f1480cbb621389470d9031070326073 Does it HAVE to be directly to disk on a PC? How about using an ADAT, or one of the various dedicated multitracking hard-disk recorders currently on the market? I can't imagine either solution would cost more than a PC solution, what with all the outboard hardware required. Then everything could be dumped to a PC for later editing and processing, but the "masters" would be in a more practical format. And the hardware would probably be more robust than most PCs as well. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Sat May 10 02:36:48 1997 >From kflint Fri May 9 11:44:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPuev-0002A1-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 11:44:49 -0700 Message-Id: <9705091804.AA22348@beryllium.lexicon.com> Priority: urgent Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 10:38:00 -0400 From: "Sellon, Bob" Subject: RE: RE: RE: JamMan modifications To: Loopers-Delight X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Resent-Message-ID: <"lXmlm.A.-pB.U92cz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 11:44:49 -0700 X-UIDL: 98105c9edba73df3187a6005007e60c9 Dave wrote: >Any idea how much the upgrade will cost? And is it a factory upgrade, >or something we can do ourselves? > >-dave Dave, I don't know what the upgrade will cost right now but I'd like to keep it well under $200. I still have to work out legal issues with Lexicon so that may effect it as well. I should point out here that, though I work for Lexicon, all of this upgrade business is a side line of mine and will not be warranted or serviceable by Lexicon. The upgrade is NOT a Lexicon upgrade of the Jamman, it is an Stec upgrade. Stec is my side and very small modification business. The Lexicon sales management has made it very clear to me that they are not interested in providing or supporting a ROM upgrade for the Jamman. The Lexicon service and sales departments will not be able to help you with any problems you have with the upgrade. You will have to deal with me or someone on my enormous staff (eventually, the laughter subsides). Actually, I am going to get someone to help with service so I can concentrate on software. As a performer myself I found the original Jamman to be less than optimal for a lot of the things I wanted to do so, being the guy who wrote the software for the Jamman in the first place, I went in and made some changes (and more changes, and more changes, and....). The current software is a result of changes I wanted and requests from the warranty cards, email, faxes, phone calls, etc.. of which there have been many. I am also working on a small Windows app that will probably accompany the upgrade. So far it provides a virtual mixer for the 4 loop/channel "Pages" but will eventually provide lots of other things as well. Does this sort of thing seem like it would be useful to anyone? What kinds of things would you like to see in it? Regarding the factory upgrade vs doing it yourselves; The upgrade will probably come in several flavors. Heres why. The basic upgrade is simply a rom upgrade that almost anyone could do. The original rom for the Jamman, however, was rather small but can be made twice as big by installing a jumper on the board. Again, this is simple but does require using a soldering iron. I am still working with the small rom but am just about to run out of space so the larger rom will probably be required. Now it starts getting ugly. The original Jamman had no nonvolatile memory (it can't remember anything when it powers down). When we laid out the board, however, we left a spot for a small electronically erasable ROM (EEPROM) which could store setup information (MIDI channel, mix settings, etc. but NO AUDIO). The part was left out of the original product for cost reasons but will be supported by the new software. It's an 8 pin IC with at resistor that needs to be installed. My gut feeling is that this is beyond the capabilities of most users. Will still offer it as a kit but will provide Stec factory upgrades for those who don't want to deal with it. I am also looking at audio memory upgrades and audio performance upgrades (improving the converter filters) which, if they ever appear, will have to be done at the Stec "factory". I will post more info as things solidify. Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec From ???@??? Thu May 08 09:59:11 1997 >From kflint Thu May 8 08:18:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPUxN-0005xi-00; Thu, 8 May 1997 08:18:09 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 11:14:14 -0400 (EDT) From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <970508110954_-565335264@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Hexapohic pickups Resent-Message-ID: <"WMqcoC.A.GaF.H4ecz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 08:18:09 -0700 X-UIDL: 8a19449f9c8b689caf30ffaf3b8f39c5 Greeting hexophiles, Although I no longer work for them, the fine folks at Seymour Duncan (and especially Larry Brooks in the custom shop) daily create all sorts of strange, on-of-a-kind pickups for all kinds of folks. You don't necessarily need to be a "rock star" to be able to take advantage of there services in this area. Although such pickups will definitely cost more than those produced in mass, if it solves your problem, perhaps it would be worth the modest extra expence. Their phone number is (805) 964-9610 (Larry's extension is #1007). Give him a call. What have you got to lose beyond the price of the phone call? I know for a fact that Seymour himself has built hex pickups (many years ago now) for folks like Skunk Baxter and others. Give it a try. Ted From ???@??? Thu May 08 09:59:15 1997 >From kflint Thu May 8 08:35:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPVEN-00075y-00; Thu, 8 May 1997 08:35:43 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 11:26:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <970508112512_-1266127080@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Sustainers and pickups Resent-Message-ID: <"LyM8R.A.xWG.sGfcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 08:35:43 -0700 X-UIDL: 7fc51a6bf86a34fe132ac33eddc9c87b <> RMC pickups sells a Fanout Box that has six outputs, and other routing options for hexaphonic systems. It takes the input from their piezo transducers. Tim Diebert (aka Timtone Guitars), the guy who made my custom three-output guitar (ala LGX), says he could use a GK-2A as the front end instead, wiring its outs into the RMC electronics. RMC and Timtone both have web sites. As for the VG-8, at present, the only things you can do with separate strings is pitch-shift them (including gliding pitch), adjust their levels (from 0 to full), and/or pan them individually in the stereo field, all of which is radical enough, but future upgrades or new products could certainly do more. Hammer at Roland with these desires! You'd need two VG-8s to get different sounds on each string, but pitch-shifting a single string can yield radical new tones and tonal responses from different models, all of which is controllable by foot pedal. Hex distortion is built into any VG-8 guitar model that includes what they call a "lead emphasis" parameter, which allows you to select between six separate streams of distortion and a single stream, or anything in between. Ya'll oughta try one! dpc From ???@??? Thu May 08 09:59:17 1997 >From kflint Thu May 8 08:44:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPVN0-0007gv-00; Thu, 8 May 1997 08:44:38 -0700 Message-ID: <01BC5BA6.75779040@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Sustainers and pickups Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 11:53:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"NfuXCD.A.26G.oPfcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 08:44:39 -0700 X-UIDL: 908d9cf5b46fd16c2b85a3d8cf89581f Bartolini has been making hexaphonic pickups for over 20 years. I don't think they have a website, but you can probably find their address in Guitar Player or Bass Player. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ---------- From: Carlos Carrillo[SMTP:inti@webtv.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 1997 9:29 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sustainers and pickups That would be a geat mod ! A while back I inquired about the existence of any pickups that could amplify the strings into six separate outputs. I was quickly given the old - what the hell for ?- reply. (Guitar Center) That kind of facility would make for some fantastic processing possibilities. Please let everyone know if you come up with something. Carlos R. Carrillo From ???@??? Thu May 08 09:59:10 1997 >From kflint Thu May 8 08:16:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPUvH-0005oF-00; Thu, 8 May 1997 08:15:59 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 08:11:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Ravel as a looper Resent-Message-ID: <"L9OCKC.A.iHF.N0ecz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 08:15:59 -0700 X-UIDL: 608eafd1000bbe5d9b1a896591ab785c Kim Flint wrote: > >I agree. Looping is more than just repetition. You need evolution and >development as well! I went to see the Orb the other night. They're an >excellent example, with elements repeating and changing and coming and >going. There were many moments were a nice ambient soundscape would be >going, with lots of subtle bits thrown around the surround-sound system, >and a few moments later I would notice that a thunderous percussion part >would be going too except I never quite noticed where it came in. It just >sort of built up out of nothing into prominence. It would loop for a while, >mutate, maybe disappear, maybe become something new. The whole performance >was great. The Chemical Brothers also played to demonstrate that a) the Orb >is really good, and b) it is indeed possible to be louder than Metallica >without being anywhere near as entertaining. > Akkk. The Orb cancelled their Seattle show, so now the only way I'll be able to see them live is via Lollapalooza, a less than enticing process. But, yeah, they are masters of this stuff. Somebody mentioned Conlon Nancarrow in this thread. Amazing stuff. One of his player piano pieces, Canon X, has a very interesting loop-based structure. It's basically a canonic structure, with the theme playing with extremely short note values in the highest register. of the piano, and with very long values in the lowest register. As the piece develops, the low voice gets faster and higher in pitch, while the upper voice gets slower and lower, until they cross in the middle of the keyboard. I'd like to see a lopping device that could do this... Also, Erik Satie's name came up. His piano piece "Vexations" features a brief passage for piano to be played 840 times. It was eventually performed by 11 pianists working in shifts over the course of 3 days. But I think part of the intent of this piece is what happens to the pianist(s) while actually playing the line for that long, I don't think that sampling the line and letting it loop would be quite the same. As a project for a music class some years ago, I wrote a MAX program that played Terry Riley's In C, in which each virtual player (there were 32 including the pulse part, because I only had a dual port MIDI interface) used a simple cellular automata to decide when to move to the next section. Took me weeks to write, and when it was done, it was, well, pretty boring. I just finished a great book that may be of interest to other loopers. It's "Ocean of Sound: Aether Talk, Ambient Sound And Imaginary Worlds" by David Toop. It's a free-roaming collection of interviews and observations of such musicians as Eno, The Orb, Aphex Twin, Jon Hassell, etc, etc. It's not specifically about ambient music, or any genre in particular, but about the tendency for indeterminacy, ambiguity and complexity in many different kinds of music in this century. It's fascinating reading, since Toop has been involved in experimental music since the '60's, and has personal contact with a lot of the innovators. Highly recommended. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel, NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: improv@peak.org self promotional web-site: http://www.peak.org/~improv/ "A squid eating dough in a polyethelene bag is fast and bulbous, got me?" -Captain Beefheart ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Thu May 08 10:33:26 1997 >From kflint Thu May 8 10:23:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPWuH-0005Hq-00; Thu, 8 May 1997 10:23:05 -0700 Date: 08 May 97 13:09:29 EDT From: To: Cc: , , , Subject: microloop experiments with EP-DP Message-ID: <970508170928_702420.204300_BHD37-61@CompuServe.COM> Resent-Message-ID: <"-jX9w.A.2ZE.Qmgcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 10:23:05 -0700 X-UIDL: 8c44a9e6f0d0d3a1d621c83e1537bf89 Warning: rather gear-specific post for 'Plexers, but I'd be interested if any other phrase samplers are used this way: Following Kim Flint's tip, I experimented with extremely short loops (fractions/second) by setting the Echoplex Record function to "SuS"tain mode (where loop length is determined by how long you hold the Record button.) analog monosynth --> 'Plex --> multieffects processor 1) virtually any sound source will work...the actual pitch of the recorded loop becomes secondary to the timbral shifting you can do with judicious use of phasers, flangers, etc., downstream. I've started with mainly raw synth tones, but also voice effects from a vintage tube mic. 2) I can tap in, say, a 0.12 second loop which repeats as a blurry wash of tone (remarkably minimal startpoint "popping" depending on the static in the room, I guess) Then, I effect the crap out of it, generally with a mod effect set to a slow speed and high depth (WWWWaaaaaavvvvYYYYYYyyyy ggggrrRRRRRRRAAAAaaaavvvVVVYYYYyyyyy) SUPERfun! 3) A quick tap o' the Insert button (with no incoming signal) cuts in a short space that separates each microloop, producing a continuous pulsation. Dial up a delay time that is some even fraction of this, set the delay feedback to -99%, add some additional live synth input (also effected, but not added to the loop), and you're good to go with a swirling percussive throbbing drone of microloops. Next task: sync the microloops to a 16th-note beat from the MIDI sequencer...the effected microloop is PERFECT for techno/dance/rave applications. The "default" techno tempo is 120bpm (try counting seconds out loud while watching MTV's "Amp" show sometime...) My goal is an exact 1/480th-of-a-minute loop (sixteenths of that beat) = 1/8 second = 0.125. Haven't hooked the 'Plex up to MIDI yet...plan to do so straightaway.... Way cool, Kim! Thanks for the idea! Right after I upgrade to the full 16 Mb RAM, I stop making looptimes more than shavings of a second long |%) --Russell From ???@??? Fri May 09 01:10:36 1997 >From kflint Thu May 8 10:39:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPXAE-0006DO-00; Thu, 8 May 1997 10:39:34 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 10:24:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Hexapohic pickups Resent-Message-ID: <"nw7VP.A.gbF.g4gcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 10:39:34 -0700 X-UIDL: f77d8a12c271ef67053af9d5c366eb07 At 10:01 AM -0400 5/8/97, Hayden Porter wrote: >James Reynolds wrote: > >>does anyone happen to know if the roland gk-2 pickup output can in fact be >>used directly as a hexaphonic source, i.e., just rigging up an adapter to >>send the six individual strings wherever one pleases? > >Its my understanding that with the gk pickups the hexphonic signal is >multiplexed by the pickup and then sent to the midi converter where it is >de-multiplexed and converted into midi messages. Please correct me if I am >wrong. > >I dont think the gk pickup was designed to be used as a general 6 output >pickup that would allow you to do what you wanted with the 6 output >signals. No, that's not right. The gk-2 does indeed have six discrete analog outputs, one for each string. There is no multiplexing. I believe there is also a line with all the signals mixed. It also contains a small on-board preamp, for driving the lines. You need to supply the pickup with +/- 8V to power the preamp. The gk-2 works fine for hex guitar applications, which is why we were making the infinity compatible with it at g-wiz. Making a gk-2 breakout box should be pretty easy. Same with RMC and other hex pickups. I might have the pinout for the gk-2 somewhere, I'll look. Also, if you have an acoustic guitar with bridge piezos, you might want to take a peak inside. Many of those are also hex, and just get mixed for the output. Oh, as far as Charlie Hunter, He just has two separate pickups. One for the bass strings, one for the guitar. Each goes to it's own output. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri May 09 01:11:03 1997 >From kflint Thu May 8 20:02:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPfwv-0004Ge-00; Thu, 8 May 1997 20:02:25 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 21:20:18 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Bartok as Looper??? Resent-Message-ID: <"YxaAyB.A.HyD.OLpcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 20:02:25 -0700 X-UIDL: 569f20b4461766fefe331eea79a60fab On May 8, 1997 Kevin wrote: >My piano teacher thought of Bartok...but I have to go back and listen >again. Now that is stretching it. I love Bartok and one of the things I love is that repetition is not part of his process. I wonder what your piano teacher meant. Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Fri May 09 01:10:48 1997 >From kflint Thu May 8 12:51:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPZDp-0007Va-00; Thu, 8 May 1997 12:51:25 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 14:41:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: microloop experiments with EP-DP In-Reply-To: <970508170928_702420.204300_BHD37-61@CompuServe.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"SE_P-C.A.lZG.vxicz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 12:51:25 -0700 X-UIDL: 0ac65d853af88b9a1968b29811d8190f On 8 May 1997 Russell_Gorton@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.CompuServe.COM wrote: > Following Kim Flint's tip, I experimented with extremely short loops > (fractions/second) by setting the Echoplex Record function to > "SuS"tain mode (where loop length is determined by how long you hold > the Record button.) [stuff deleted] > 2) I can tap in, say, a 0.12 second loop which repeats as a blurry > wash of tone (remarkably minimal startpoint "popping" depending on the > static in the room, I guess) Then, I effect the crap out of it, > generally with a mod effect set to a slow speed and high depth > (WWWWaaaaaavvvvYYYYYYyyyy ggggrrRRRRRRRAAAAaaaavvvVVVYYYYyyyyy) I like to do a similar thing with the Vortex and JamMan. I use the Vortex to create short, complex loops with lots of processing. Then I feed the output of these complex sound machines into the JamMan, on a long delay with lots of feedback. One of these days I'll get ambitious and figure out how to sync the Vortex to the JamMan... I think I've described my old autoloopingfeedbackertrick before. Guitar in a modal tuning feeds short, modulated delay, feeds moderate-sized loop (feedback, not infinite repeat), feeds distorted amp. Lean guitar against amp. Guitar feeds back. Feedback is modulated and looped, which alters the feedback. Pretty soon, the guitar starts singing pretty melodies in feedback, all by itself. :} -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Fri May 09 01:10:57 1997 >From kflint Thu May 8 15:53:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPc3w-00043x-00; Thu, 8 May 1997 15:53:24 -0700 Message-ID: <33724BB5.FDD@nyfac.com> Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 17:55:01 -0400 From: nyfac X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: multi-track recording to pc References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"H9XamB.A.JSD.ddlcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 15:53:24 -0700 X-UIDL: dd4e49eec907f65a20921a890818ee94 I have used a digidesign Session8 for a long time now (2 1/2 years) and it works like a champ. Very reliable. The software that comes with it is fairly basic- you'll have to use another software program to do even simple things like flipping tracks around backwards. Be aware that all the usual bitching about analog v. digital applies here. One other thing- close miking the snare will come out sounding sort of like wacking the bottom of a 3-litre plastic Coke bottle. I've never had a harder time in my life getting a good snare sound but when I compared how the sound coming off the board and the sound coming off the S8, tears would run down my face. I think I may have solved that problem by using my tascam DAT's digital output thru the digi in with six of the S8 converters. The tascam sounds a bit better, and is quieter. Plus, doing it that way is totally ass-backwards, thereby appealing to me tremendously. Also- check out Soundscape's (I think that's what it's called) box- if tied into a DA-88, you will an eight-channel digital conection. I don't know much about that one, so I won't elaborate. If you have any questions, you can email me privately if nobody around here wants to here the gory details- although as it does have more than some use as a looper, perhaps I should do I write up for it and feel like I'm actually contributing something to the group here (aside from my typos). Trevor From ???@??? Fri May 09 01:11:07 1997 >From kflint Thu May 8 23:05:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPioE-000580-00; Thu, 8 May 1997 23:05:38 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 23:15:15 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: Bartok as Looper??? Resent-Message-ID: <"f1GiI.A.3oE.B4rcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 23:05:38 -0700 X-UIDL: 1c9781e1477f51e5691163745cf9f0cb Actually, I'm not sure...the Bartoks works I'm most familiar with are the string quartets and they seem linear. From ???@??? Fri May 09 01:10:56 1997 >From kflint Thu May 8 15:32:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPbk2-0002hE-00; Thu, 8 May 1997 15:32:50 -0700 From: "Angie Rice" To: Subject: Re: Hexapohic pickups Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 17:19:27 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199705082022.3046500@taascforce.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"MVLo3D.A.fFC.jLlcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 15:32:50 -0700 X-UIDL: 878ca109c212594d090fc3572a7c6e19 > I dont think the gk pickup was designed to be used as a general 6 output > pickup that would allow you to do what you wanted with the 6 output > signals. > > I think you would need a general purpose 6 output pickup to do the trick > with the mixer. I have no idea where you are going to find such a pickup > but there has got to be something out there! > > Hayden > hporter@uakron.edu > I remember Steve vai talking about some kind of stereo polepiece PU that he had installed in one of his axes to get real stereo separation. This would have been around 89 or 90. Seems like I even saw a little black and white ad for it. I can't remember the name at all. lt seems like you could then route specific strings to separate outputs. Does this trigger any memories for anybody. I remember that the name of the company that designed it was totally new to me. Forgive me if this was already mentioned, but what about the PAIA Quad fuzz. It was designed I think by Craig Anderton, and is still available as a kit from PAIA. It splits the guitar signal into for pieces and then fuzzes them all differently to get that kind of sound. Justin Rice From ???@??? Fri May 09 01:11:02 1997 >From kflint Thu May 8 19:31:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPfSn-0002i9-00; Thu, 8 May 1997 19:31:17 -0700 Message-ID: <33725F48.3D33@fredmarshall.com> Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 15:18:37 -0800 From: fred marshall Reply-To: fred@fredmarshall.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: loops alive on sf bay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"NpGUPD.A.XIC.brocz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 19:31:17 -0700 X-UIDL: 4c8876f0c070cc578ddc09cc9553424e - yo! - i'm running out the door to soundcheck and just remembered to remind you guys that we're playing the PRE-OPENING OPENING at YOSHI'S - - we start at 9:30 - admission is FREE FREE FREE this night only! - hope to see y'all! mmmmmmmmmmm ps: it is one beautiful jazz club! 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Fri May 09 01:11:02 1997 >From kflint Thu May 8 19:29:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPfRC-0002bp-00; Thu, 8 May 1997 19:29:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: multi-track recording to pc Message-ID: <19970508.175902.8438.0.zenchi@juno.com> References: <2.2.32.19970508025540.008cef78@pop.chromatic.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.15 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-4,6-8,10-13,15,17,19-20 From: zenchi@juno.com (Robert L Williams) Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 19:59:55 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"4ysHfB.A.-BC.Bqocz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 19:29:38 -0700 X-UIDL: b0ef8199a2e4b558a226958d9447f785 On Wed, 07 May 1997 19:55:40 -0700 Kim Flint writes: >A coworker was just asking me a question that some of you may know the >answer to. He wants to do multi-track live recording direct to hard >disk on a pc. (not a mac) He would prefer to have all the a/d conversion done >externally with a digital link to the pc. He needs at least 8 tracks >simultaneously, preferably more, so he can mic his drum set and have >some tracks left for other instruments. Does anyone know a way to do this? >Is there a pro tools equivalent for the PC? External A/D boxes with >connections to a pci card? Anything? A month or so ago in EQ magazine there was a profile on Tuck and Patti and their Sonic Solutions based setup. My band used this system when we mastered our cd, and it seems like the way to go with a computer based system. It's really expensive though. From ???@??? Fri May 09 01:11:04 1997 >From kflint Thu May 8 20:15:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPg8z-0004qm-00; Thu, 8 May 1997 20:14:53 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970508201108.007fcb60@pure.pureatria.com> X-Sender: sechevar@pure.pureatria.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 20:11:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: FS: Oberheim Echoplex digital pro Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"lNmppB.A.rbE.oYpcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 20:14:53 -0700 X-UIDL: 5493216861067ad3953c3a84c4aa743e Saw this on rec.music.makers.marketplace today: >Oberheim Echoplex digital pro > has extra memory for 103 seconds of sample time. >Works great, please -email offer. >Best offer takes it > >PBM >jcbooth@erols.com From ???@??? Sat May 10 02:36:56 1997 >From kflint Fri May 9 20:06:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wQ2UJ-00070p-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 20:06:23 -0700 Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "The Negative Eye" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 01:24:07 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Subject: An extension. (Re: Bach as a looper) Reply-to: juma@cyberia.net.ar Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199705080209.TAA21196@mailtod-2.alma.webtv.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Resent-Message-ID: <"rsn7VC.A.uNG.jT-cz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 20:06:23 -0700 X-UIDL: e418733d51901caddd1218b04889f8a7 Hello Carlos and Loopers in gral, I'd like to add something: On 7 May 97 at 19:08, Carlos R. Carrillo wrote: > The Canon is the most obvious form to single out since it was often > built up from a repeating ostinato bassline with sort of a call and > response harmonic movement riding up on top. That's an excellent loop comparision! Not only they sang a loop but they also used some pitch-shifting! > The Fugue is another important form which makes use of repetition. > In a fugue, a theme called the subject, is announced by one voice then > subsequently repeated by various voices. It's not actually repetition. I would say that it works like a "long delay" rather than a loop. Remember how the fugue works: 1¼ Voice A B C D E F.... 2¼ Voice -- A B C D E.... 3¼ Voice ----- A B C D.... etc... Plus the intrument variations and arrangements to make it work. No voice will repeat itself, but they will rather, delay the previous one. On the canon each voice repeats itlsef. > I am sure many of you would find a great deal of similarities between > looping and these early musical forms. Perhaps, but barroque styles, and specially BACH, hate to repeat themselves! But today's looping is mostly a "trance" or "hypnotic" way of music. And it shouldn't be compared to those occidental types of music, because it's done with another purpouse. We can find better (and much older) "loop forms" of music in different tribal "songs" or musical styles from very distant, non occidental, places. Most of this tribes had used music to fall into trance, to put themselves in contact with the spirits, gods, etc. An that music is just that: LOOPS Don't fool yourselves thinking that BACH was better that neolitic music because there are so many notes. Music don't get better. It just changes, like people do. Thanks, And please, correct me if I'm wrong. Juan Manuel Aguirre aka thE negativE eyE From ???@??? Fri May 09 01:11:07 1997 >From kflint Thu May 8 23:38:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPjK7-0006SG-00; Thu, 8 May 1997 23:38:35 -0700 Posted-Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 08:36:05 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: rob@pi.net Message-ID: <3372C41D.275C0EB3@pi.net> Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 08:28:45 +0200 From: Robert van der Kamp X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: microloop experiments with EP-DP References: <970508170928_702420.204300_BHD37-61@CompuServe.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SCzR3.A.26F.cXscz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 23:38:35 -0700 X-UIDL: 99219efd23d5b9ad23ceea8939168710 Russell_Gorton@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.CompuServe.COM wrote: > > 2) I can tap in, say, a 0.12 second loop which repeats as a blurry > wash of tone (remarkably minimal startpoint "popping" depending on the > static in the room, I guess) Then, I effect the crap out of it, > generally with a mod effect set to a slow speed and high depth > (WWWWaaaaaavvvvYYYYYYyyyy ggggrrRRRRRRRAAAAaaaavvvVVVYYYYyyyyy) > > SUPERfun! > Oh wow! I wannit! :) Great FX display, btw. > 3) A quick tap o' the Insert button (with no incoming signal) cuts in > a short space that separates each microloop, producing a continuous > pulsation. Dial up a delay time that is some even fraction of this, > set the delay feedback to -99%, add some additional live synth input > (also effected, but not added to the loop), and you're good to go with > a swirling percussive throbbing drone of microloops. > > Next task: sync the microloops to a 16th-note beat from the MIDI > sequencer...the effected microloop is PERFECT for techno/dance/rave > applications. The "default" techno tempo is 120bpm (try counting > seconds out loud while watching MTV's "Amp" show sometime...) > My goal is an exact 1/480th-of-a-minute loop (sixteenths of that beat) > = 1/8 second = 0.125. Haven't hooked the 'Plex up to MIDI yet...plan > to do so straightaway.... > > Way cool, Kim! Thanks for the idea! Right after I upgrade to the > full 16 Mb RAM, I stop making looptimes more than shavings of a second > long |%) > > --Russell Thanks for this. Gonna try it out as soon as I have my Plex. Robert From ???@??? Fri May 09 09:38:23 1997 >From kflint Fri May 9 07:11:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPqOM-0002X5-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 07:11:26 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 09:08:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199705091408.JAA28721@mail2.texas.net> X-Sender: sharkey@mail.texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: james rhodes Subject: Lexicon LXP-5 Question Resent-Message-ID: <"aBlyfD.A.jOC.v_ycz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 07:11:26 -0700 X-UIDL: fb3eee2276fc157e7cd93b8cbf64d825 hi,,, i wanted to say thanks to Kim Flint for the advice on the Roland GP-8... later today, a guitar player friend of mine will be bringing by a Lexicon LXP-5,,for me to keep a few days and try out...if i like it ,,,it's mine for $225.00...i know it doesnt have any "preamp" sounds,,,but my question is : are these things easy to develop user patches? do i need a MRC.. etc.? does anyone on this list own one? do you like it? thanks to all for bearing with my questions,,,as soon as i find another Effects Processor for my Stick(R) i'll stop bugging you all with my questions.. I just put a BOSS SE-70 on layaway...but im still hunting for something to process the Bass side of my Stick,,,and im running pretty low on cash,,as my rack grows... are there bugs in the LXP-5 that i should know of? is $225.00 a fair price for a "like new" LXP-5??? right now im using a Midiverb 3 to process the bass. thanks again, james sharkey@texas.net one more thing...Cecil Taylor is pretty much a genius...or demented, or both i am in awe... > > > > > > From ???@??? Fri May 09 09:38:25 1997 >From kflint Fri May 9 07:41:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPqrJ-0003oG-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 07:41:21 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 16:38:12 +0200 (MET DST) From: Olivier Malhomme To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Talking hex mikes.. Message-ID: Organization: "GIS INFOBIOGEN, 7 rue Guy Moquet BP8, 94801 VILLEJUIF, France" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"zAAfYD.A.2ZD.hbzcz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 07:41:21 -0700 X-UIDL: 3a000665a4ded5dbd4e1c8004d7352dc Remeber long time ago when E VanHalen was endorsing the Kramer ripley with a hexaphonic pick up. Had these 6 little knobs someone was referring about. Maybe if it can be found somewhere, could be anice beginning to panning, effecting, distorting, and whatevering each string... Since my (beloved) VG only allows panning and pitch shifting of individual strings... Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Fri May 09 10:07:41 1997 >From kflint Fri May 9 10:05:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPt6Q-0003ZB-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 10:05:06 -0700 X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9705091338.AA21178@beryllium.lexicon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 13:03:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: RE: RE: JamMan modifications Resent-Message-ID: <"BnPde.A.w6C.he1cz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 10:05:06 -0700 X-UIDL: 394f7d8b1511316d8726dbce13da47f5 Bob Sellon said: >I'm actually talking about 4 independent tracks playing at once. It was >something that I really wanted to get into the original Jamman but we >couldn't figure out how to deal with it in the user interface. The answer >was the concept of a "page". In the new software I'm working on, I refer >to the combination of all loops currently playing as a page. Each page >can contain up to 4 loops/delays/samples (channels?), each with a >separate level and pan control. You tap in the first loop in a page then >select other channels which, currently, are initialized to the same size >as the first loop. We currently allow a particular channel to be divided >down when in the echo mode but I will probably fold that into the loop >mode as well. When you need a clean slate, you switch to a new page. The >new page gives you up to four new loops/delays/samples. We are currently >have up to 4 pages. Each page stores the pan and level of each >loop/channel. Pages are changed on the loop boundries which is where I am >running into problems with the odd loop sizes. The hardware is capable of >having all four loops be any size whatsoever but I still have to work >through some of the issues of changing pages, etc.. Did you say pan of each loop? That must mean STEREO! Will this cause the length of available loop time to be cut in half to process left and right? Also, will you be able to mute or replace any of the 4 loops on one page, say you wanted to mute loop number 2 on a page and leave loops 1, 3, 4 still playing or even replace loop 3 while still hearing the other loops? Will this be possible? I can definitely see where odd loop sizes could mess up trying to sync across pages. Maybe you could have an "un-synced" mode where each page could be as long as wanted or needed and you since you are not syncing you don't need to worry how to sync from one page to another. Just starting page 2 at the loop boundary of loop 1. Maybe in a "synced" mode if the second and subsequent pages were some multiple of the first such as half , twice, 3 times etc. or maybe even +1, +2, +3 , so if page 1 is 4 beats long, page 2 could be 5 or 6 or 7 beats long, maintaining the common quarter note pulse? This would let you have a 4/4 page followed by a 5/4 page. I could see some practical applications of this, but maybe it's too weird or hard to implement. Bob again: >Ed, I not exactly clear on why you are having so much trouble >syncronizing the second loop. If you are using multiple loops, you >should always "Tap" on the first beat of the loop. This is vitally >important because this is the point at which changes from one loop to >another take place. If you tap on 3, Jamman will start initializing the >second loop on the third beat of your current loop which gets confusing >real quick. When you tap in the first loop try to tap exactly on the >first beat. All of the loops are the same size on the current Jamman so >the second loop will automatically be the same size as the first. >Remember, however, that you DON'T need to tap in the second loop. Simply >use the loop (? Channel?) button to select the next loop and let Jamman >handle the rest. The "time copy" function is built in and automatic. Bob, let me clarify what I meant. When I sync to a drum machine , there is no problem lining loops 2, 3 4 etc. up to the pulse, because the drum machine is my "click track". Suppose I want to strum an acoustic guitar loop without using a "click" for timing, say a one measure A section in loop 1, obviously at the end of loop 1 I can have loop 2 cued up to start recording, so it's not really the starting point of loop 2 where the problem is, it is the ending point of loop 2. Say loop one is exactly 4 seconds long. I think I have decent timing but humans aren't perfect so without a "click" track when I play, maybe I finish loop 2 at 3.98 seconds, so now there is a tiny gap at the end of loop 2 which is noticeable when I switch between loops, as well as if my loop 2 is a little longer than loop1, then loop 2 gets chopped off a little at the end. Is this a little bit clearer? That's why for me at least, there are times when I don't need or want to be synced to anything and letting each loop be its' own length would be very useful. Thanks for your time and allowing us to give you some input. I really look forward to the upgrade. Oh, by the way do you need any beta testers? ;-) Ed From ???@??? Sat May 10 02:36:46 1997 >From kflint Fri May 9 11:14:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPuBu-0000C0-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 11:14:50 -0700 X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9705061814.AA09935@beryllium.lexicon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 14:14:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: More RE: JamMan modifications Resent-Message-ID: <"MNJzw.A.sIH.nh2cz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 11:14:51 -0700 X-UIDL: 421ceee2c64cab3fb3731cd8325b8a0d On Monday Bob Sellon said: >Loop Docs, >The new rom allows both of these things (feedback and volume) to be >patched to continuous controllers from a "Learn" mode (there's also SysEx >control available). You can also switch a loop in and out of the echo >mode and divide it by up to 19 (also patchable). Another thing that would be nice in Echo mode, which you may have already implemented in the new rom, would be to be able to hold or freeze the loop created in Echo mode and then to solo over the loop without adding your solo to the loop. As it is now, if I'm in echo mode and I have the regeneration at infinite, I have to reach over and turn the effects send to the JamMan on my mixer off to be able to solo over it. It would be nice to control this via MIDI. Another thing that would be nice to have, is to be able to access the Loop, Echo, and Sample modes via MIDI without having to reach over and turn the Mode knob on the front panel. And lastly (for now anyway ;-) to have the JamMan be able to MIDI sync to odd time signatures at least 5, 7. 9, and 11 ( you could go higher if you like) would be really nice. I hope I don't ask for too much , Bob! ;-) Thanks again, Ed From ???@??? Sat May 10 02:36:49 1997 >From kflint Fri May 9 13:55:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPwh2-0003Yh-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 13:55:08 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: updating the archive...? Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 16:49:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"b_1wMD.A.J3C.r14cz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 13:55:08 -0700 X-UIDL: 1ba6d29fcf2f3cfde37769513992e32d I was wondering, is the archive of digests being updated? It's such a cool way to find useful information. David From ???@??? Sat May 10 02:36:50 1997 >From kflint Fri May 9 14:15:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wPx0c-0004yJ-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 14:15:23 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970509211435.009d9100@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 14:14:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: updating the archive...? Cc: David Kirkdorffer Resent-Message-ID: <"IYV74C.A.lHE.tH5cz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 14:15:23 -0700 X-UIDL: 4f1ada705a8a193fcc85f2f17234ce97 At 04:49 PM 5/9/97 -0400, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > >I was wondering, is the archive of digests being updated? It's such a >cool way to find useful information. Sorry about that! I've been real busy lately, and haven't had time to do that for a month or so. When I did have time this past weekend, I opted to put some new stuff in the tools section that some people had sent me. It's not very difficult to update the archive, but it's built up enough that it'll take me a few hours. I'll try to get on it this weekend, since you're asking. While we're on the subject, are there any other things people would like to see on the website? Ideas, and even more important, volunteers are always welcome! The people who have helped out so far have done a great job, making the Looper's Delight site an increasingly cooler spot in the musical universe. Me, and I think everyone who uses it, appreciate this a lot. And for those interested, Looper's Delight is averaging about 2000 page-downloads a week now! This totally amazes me, and really says something about how much interest in looping is out there. kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 VLSI Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research From ???@??? Sat May 10 02:37:00 1997 >From kflint Fri May 9 21:14:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wQ3Y6-0004B5-00; Fri, 9 May 1997 21:14:22 -0700 Message-ID: <3373F653.7DB4@crystalball.com> Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 23:15:15 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@crystalball.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Lexicon LXP-5 Question References: <199705091408.JAA28721@mail2.texas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"uXi-I.A.ieD.xR_cz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 21:14:22 -0700 X-UIDL: 315e3ed034f678fc231ad0ab0817dca6 james rhodes wrote: > later today, a guitar player friend of mine will be bringing by a Lexicon > LXP-5,,for me to keep a few days and try out...if i like it ,,,it's mine for > $225.00...i know it doesnt have any "preamp" sounds,,,but my question is : > are these things easy to develop user patches? do i need a MRC.. etc.? does > anyone on this list own one? do you like it? I have an LXP-5 in my home studio along with an LXP-1. Both sound very good, but whereas the LXP-1 is very simple and straightforward, the LXP-5 is a bit more difficult to tweak. To get at all possible parameters you'll need an external MIDI programmer. Lexicon makes one; it may be the MRC you reference. I haven't used mine in almost 2 years as home recording has been put on hold due to band & business demands, but I recall struggling with the LXP-5 and never quite getting what I wanted from it. The promise always seemed better than the product. I used a Mac based patch editor/librarian called Galaxy (I believe), and even with this couldn't get what I wanted. For example, a patch might be called "flange" in the manual, but I could never get much of a flange sound. Also, the pitch shifter produces some disagreeable artifacts. But hey, the 'verbs and delays sound good, and I got some good chorus sounds out of it. I did a side by side comparison with a friend's Quadraverb a few years back and the Alesis couldn't compete with the Lexicon basic reverb and delay sounds. > is $225.00 a fair price for a "like new" LXP-5??? Yes, indeedy. Motley From ???@??? Sun May 11 14:47:26 1997 >From kflint Sun May 11 03:40:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wQW3U-0002lc-00; Sun, 11 May 1997 03:40:40 -0700 Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 01:33:58 -0400 (EDT) From: KemMc@aol.com Message-ID: <970510013357_-930356417@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: new loop toy Resent-Message-ID: <"7kVKPD.A.mfC.ZGadz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 03:40:40 -0700 X-UIDL: 8a15c78e099bf028f54cea53b19a6db4 Fellow loopers, you have to check this out!!! Go to www.steinberg-na.com and download a demo of Rebirth BR-388 this thing is a softwear based drum machine and two analog synths w/knobs, plus a pattern recorders all in one little softwear unit, and it sounds incredible It is hours of looping fun. mac or pc later KemMc@aol.com From ???@??? Sun May 11 20:24:47 1997 >From kflint Sun May 11 14:58:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wQgdZ-0003zB-00; Sun, 11 May 1997 14:58:37 -0700 Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "The Negative Eye" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 08:01:02 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: SoundTrack 97 PCI or ISA Gold Reply-to: juma@cyberia.net.ar Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Resent-Message-ID: <"8EmjTD.A.3mD.YBkdz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 14:58:37 -0700 X-UIDL: 01dcc2518ab233cdef1fb4528d45e28a Hello everyone, Does anyone know any info or site about the following soundcards? *SoundTrack 97 PCI *ISA Gold Thanks in Advance Juan Manuel Aguirre aka thE negativE eyE From ???@??? Sat May 10 19:05:21 1997 >From kflint Sat May 10 11:37:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wQH14-00057N-00; Sat, 10 May 1997 11:37:10 -0700 Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 10:02:42 -0400 (EDT) From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <970510100236_-1399823102@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sustainers and pickups Resent-Message-ID: <"_Q97xC.A.glE.19Ldz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 11:37:10 -0700 X-UIDL: 976728998c9ea696838cc85d047b1f13 From ???@??? Sat May 10 19:05:22 1997 >From kflint Sat May 10 11:40:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wQH4X-0005Iw-00; Sat, 10 May 1997 11:40:45 -0700 Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 10:02:58 -0400 (EDT) From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <970510100256_-766437126@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ravel as a looper tangent Resent-Message-ID: <"1QqwUD.A.EtE.x_Ldz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 11:40:45 -0700 X-UIDL: f6c87cb94aa6a27d591c6220781018e6 In a message dated 08/05/97 3:45:058:23, you write: > >-Do you plan your music in advance or is it always spontaineous? I try to blend the two extremes, I have composition with room for variation or drifting off into improv. Also I have themes which can be "inserted " into improv. > >-What do you consider to be the your most effective compositional >technique(s) when creating live looped music that relies on technology to >produce the loops? >(how about gear independant comments on this one) > > 1. Set up a combination of suitable technology. 2. Improv and see what happens. 3. Make a note of things that work. 4. Explore the possibilities of real time changes to the signal processing. 5. Eventually arrive at a "composition" which consists of :- i) A configuration of hardware. ii) A number of set themes. iii) An harmonic structure of sorts. iv) Starting points for improv. v) Some kind of structure to the above. Interesting to have to describe this without specific reference to gear. Andy Butler. From ???@??? Sat May 10 09:47:18 1997 >From kflint Sat May 10 08:48:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wQENa-0005qh-00; Sat, 10 May 1997 08:48:14 -0700 Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 10:52:48 -0500 From: John Pollock Subject: Re: Sustainers and pickups To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-to: johnpollock@delphi.com Message-id: <337499D0.22AD@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XCPsFD.A.sWF.YgJdz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 08:48:14 -0700 X-UIDL: ee2f55ebab3042b65a8b648747d4a0d2 I _thought_ I'd sent this a couple days ago :-} Mikell D. Nelson wrote: > > James Reynolds wrote: > > > > > The GK-2A pickup sends an ANALOG signal. it is in fact a > > > hexaphonic humbucking magnetic pickup. > > > > neat, i didn't know that! i have a gr-1 and associated gk-2 that i've kind > > of gotten bored of, but now i'm getting new strange ideas... > > > > has anyone tried or considered making an adapter to send those six outputs > > to a mixer and panning them in the stereo field, or sending each string to > > a different effect? it simply throttles the imagination... time to dust > > off the ol' soldering iron! > > > > james > > I saw a guitar at Brook Mays Music in Dallas a couple of years ago > that had 1 pickup, a volume knob, 6 pan knobs, and stereo output. You > could place each string anywhere in the stereo field. Rare, bizarre, and > I think it was a Washburn or Ibanez. Motley's description perfectly fits the Kramer Ripley. Designed by luthier Steve Ripley, it also had a built-in hex fuzz. The hex pickup looks like a conventional bridge humbucker. This was J. J. Cale's main stage guitar for several years. While he normally gigs with a band, in 1989 I saw him perform with only a percussionist, and he used the Ripley for most of the gig. If he was using the stereo capability, it wasn't apparent, but the hex fuzz was on all the time. It's very sweet-sounding even with full chords. Recorded examples include "Hold On Baby" and "Disadvantage" on Cale's _Travelog_ album. Re Kramer: They also marketed the "Floyd Rose Sustainer Guitar" in the late 1980s. Re hex pickups: RMC Pickup Co. (http://www.california.com/~rmc/) makes hex piezos. Also worth noting: Some K. Yairi acoustic guitars were made with stereo outputs, with the strings split 123/456. Some Ovation acoustic guitars were made with stereo outputs-- with the strings split 135/246. I wasn't excited by the Ovation I tried, but I played the Yairi through a pair of Twin Reverbs, with the low strings clean and dry, but with heavy reverb and tremolo on the high strings. It was delicious! -- John Pollock mailto:johnpollock@delphi.com http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock (Troubador Tech) -- John Pollock mailto:johnpollock@delphi.com http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock (Troubador Tech) From ???@??? Sat May 10 19:05:07 1997 >From kflint Sat May 10 10:05:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wQFa0-0001Aw-00; Sat, 10 May 1997 10:05:08 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 09:54:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Sellon, Bob" (by way of Kim Flint) Subject: FW: JamMan modifications (sync to MIDI p Resent-Message-ID: <"F73HXC.A.Mv.mkKdz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 10:05:08 -0700 X-UIDL: e9d2a1712f92cd50343cada1068a0a25 James, My options are limited but I'm thinking about providing a fade at the loop boundry when synced to MIDI clock to eliminate the pops. The only problem is you'll hear a short drop out at the boundry. This seems reasonable and perhaps even usable compared to the current situation. For the record, the working name for Jamman was MutMax. I really liked the name but Lexicon management wouldn't even consider using it so I washed my hands of the entire issue. Believe it or not, "Jamman" was a big improvement over most of the other suggested names. I still like MutMax (or the Mut). Oh well. Bob Sellon Lexicon,/Stec ---------- From: James Reynolds[SMTP:tritone@dsp.net] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 1997 12:56 AM To: Loopers-Delight Cc: bsellon Subject: Re: JamMan modifications Glad to hear the promising developments for the JamPerson ROM upgrade. Keep up the good work, Bob! But my number one request for the new version is: If possible, please do something about the jarring "pops" at the loop boundary when synced to MIDI. After several minutes of this effect, I end up writhing on the ground, frothing at the mouth... Thank you kindly, James From ???@??? Sat May 10 19:05:06 1997 >From kflint Sat May 10 10:05:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wQFZo-0001AJ-00; Sat, 10 May 1997 10:04:56 -0700 Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 12:58:38 -0400 From: "Robert S. Carter" Subject: Re: JamMan mods (Echo mode MIDI clock) To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-to: rsc4@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu Message-id: <3374A937.6B1A@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <9705091804.AA22348@beryllium.lexicon.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"h6Uui.A.1y.RlKdz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 10:04:56 -0700 X-UIDL: 357ab9ca25ded9ee5b3c2d09806d0a12 And now my contribution to the JamMan mod wish list. What about MIDI clock send and receive in Echo mode? Never could figure out why this feature was lacking. I like the idea of the JamMan as a master clock source, but as it stands now this function is lost if you want to loop in echo mode. BOB. 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Sat May 10 09:47:18 1997 >From kflint Sat May 10 09:20:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wQEt2-0007EB-00; Sat, 10 May 1997 09:20:44 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 09:16:53 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: Lexicon LXP-5 Question Resent-Message-ID: <"OWKVR.A.ckG.v9Jdz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 09:20:44 -0700 X-UIDL: 4193cd8e9e120ab61016be04342525d9 >later today, a guitar player friend of mine will be bringing by a Lexicon >LXP-5,,for me to keep a few days and try out...if i like it ,,,it's mine for >$225.00...i know it doesnt have any "preamp" sounds,,,but my question is : >are these things easy to develop user patches? do i need a MRC.. etc.? does >anyone on this list own one? do you like it? > I bought a used LXP-5 and an MRC about 4 years ago for $400. The LXP is a great sounding and very versatile box, it's a great for short loops (just over 1 second max) that you can further mutilate via stereo delays, reverb, and a (IMHO) very good-sounding pitch-shifter. But programming it from the front panel is not something I'd want to do, it has a very arcane interface based on 2 knobs and a multi-color LED, no display. Get an MRC if you can, or some other programmable fader box, or at least a computer editor. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel : improv@peak.org : www.peak.org/~improv/ "...there will come a day when you won't have to use gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire." -Sun Ra ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Sun May 11 14:47:17 1997 >From kflint Sat May 10 23:49:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wQQ3H-0004yb-00; Sat, 10 May 1997 21:16:03 -0700 From: sarajane@tmbsbbs.com (Sarajane) Subject: whiny looper Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 02:04:26 GMT Message-Id: <970510220005225@tmbsbbs.com> Organization: The Malibu Bikini Shop BBS - 303.772.8549 - 28.8 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"hJoE.A.C-D.vSUdz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 21:16:03 -0700 X-UIDL: 62d9847e77594db0599a2d24dd2ffe4f To the Jamman Upgrade Crew (AKA Bob), All the possible new paramaeters to tweak with the new upgrade sound spiff however it still sounds like no memory expansion to get past 32 seconds. Is that the drift I should for to be catching here, or what? Bryan Helm Technoprimitive Tantrum Boy From ???@??? Sun May 11 14:47:32 1997 >From kflint Sun May 11 11:20:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wQdEk-00053x-00; Sun, 11 May 1997 11:20:46 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 11:30:36 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: JamMan modifications Resent-Message-ID: <"R7xxhD.A.UnE.V1gdz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 11:20:46 -0700 X-UIDL: 1e52bbf4e8564436e465b899c9577092 ditto x3 on Mac ap. >>upgrade. So far it provides a virtual mixer for the 4 loop/channel >> "Pages" but will eventually provide lots of other things as well. Does >>this sort of thing seem like it would be useful to anyone? What kinds of >>things would you like to see in it?>> >> >>Yes. A Mac app. -- Paul > >Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. >email = ppoplawski@state.de.us or paulpop@ssnet.com >phone service = 302/737-4491 >weekday office = 302/577-4980 From ???@??? Sun May 11 20:24:49 1997 >From kflint Sun May 11 15:17:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wQgw7-0004n8-00; Sun, 11 May 1997 15:17:47 -0700 Message-ID: <3375E36C.2CF6@ecst.csuchico.edu> Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 15:19:10 +0000 From: Matthew Finley McCabe Reply-To: finley@ecst.csuchico.edu Organization: Marathon Records X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: bsellon@lexicon.com Subject: Re: JamMan modifications References: <9705091804.AA22348@beryllium.lexicon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"wTmsg.A.0XE.2Tkdz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 15:17:47 -0700 X-UIDL: e17ea0c21ccfa6fc542d277e3d4c4f76 Sellon, Bob wrote: > > I am also looking at audio memory upgrades and audio performance > upgrades (improving the converter filters) which, if they ever appear, > will have to be done at the Stec "factory". > > I will post more info as things solidify. > > Bob Sellon > Lexicon/Stec Bob, If the hardware can handle it, it would be nice to be able to change the pitch of the loop and flip it over backwards. Also, an interface to save off your loops would be nice. I also vote for a Mac version of the upgrade application. Matt From ???@??? Sun May 11 14:47:30 1997 >From kflint Sun May 11 08:32:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wQabW-0007lB-00; Sun, 11 May 1997 08:32:06 -0700 Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 11:28:21 -0400 (EDT) From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <970511112820_1041310107@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: JamMan modifications Resent-Message-ID: <"AzATGD.A.mJH.YXedz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 08:32:06 -0700 X-UIDL: cf64a5cae102a93316f747003d50e139 In a message dated 5/11/97 3:06:01 AM, you wrote: <> Yes. A Mac app. -- Paul From ???@??? Sun May 11 14:47:31 1997 >From kflint Sun May 11 09:56:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wQbvQ-0002RL-00; Sun, 11 May 1997 09:56:44 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 12:02:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Ph.D.) Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: JamMan modifications Resent-Message-ID: <"IQn48.A.rKC.5mfdz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 09:56:44 -0700 X-UIDL: e52d83a9d1becd52cf4b7115daaa550a ditto a Mac ap n a message dated 5/11/97 3:06:01 AM, you wrote: > >< >upgrade. So far it provides a virtual mixer for the 4 loop/channel > "Pages" but will eventually provide lots of other things as well. Does >this sort of thing seem like it would be useful to anyone? What kinds of >things would you like to see in it?>> > >Yes. A Mac app. -- Paul Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. email = ppoplawski@state.de.us or paulpop@ssnet.com phone service = 302/737-4491 weekday office = 302/577-4980 From ???@??? Sun May 11 20:24:55 1997 >From kflint Sun May 11 18:08:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wQjav-00020I-00; Sun, 11 May 1997 18:08:05 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 19:24:42 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Mac App for Jam Man Resent-Message-ID: <"FawNVB.A.MrB.3wmdz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 18:08:05 -0700 X-UIDL: 454701d4a4d9b748af93af6468357216 Bob, Another request for that mac app in the upgrade. FYI I own two jam men and my partner in looping Steev Geest also has two. Collectively we are known as Fingerpaint. We are definitely interested in your upgrades. Keep up the good work. Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Sun May 11 20:24:48 1997 >From kflint Sun May 11 15:13:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wQgrg-0004Xq-00; Sun, 11 May 1997 15:13:12 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <970510220005225@tmbsbbs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 15:04:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: whiny looper Resent-Message-ID: <"vinsy.A.fIE.mPkdz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 15:13:12 -0700 X-UIDL: 3f2813796bea8ddef0bf7f35409db9e5 At 2:04 AM +0000 5/11/97, Sarajane wrote: >To the Jamman Upgrade Crew (AKA Bob), > All >the possible new >paramaeters to tweak with the new upgrade sound spiff however it still >sounds like no memory expansion to get past 32 seconds. Is that the >drift >I should for to be catching here, or what? I was wondering about that too. All the new features sound cool, but also sound like they require a significant amount of memory. If you have four tracks simultaneously on one loop, and they are all recorded at the same sample rate used now, wouldn't that mean each can only be 8 seconds long in a fully expanded jamman? And with a second loop (or "page" as you call it), they would be 4 seconds each, right? Seems like memory expansion would be pretty critical! Maybe you should start making your own memory expansion cards with bigger drams. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue May 13 10:27:28 1997 >From kflint Tue May 13 03:41:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRF0z-0000vZ-00; Tue, 13 May 1997 03:41:05 -0700 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 01:09:13 -0400 (EDT) From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: <970512010640_1954354717@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: JamMan modifications Resent-Message-ID: <"enTDdB.A.Rp.4REez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 03:41:05 -0700 X-UIDL: 279c71f6e778622afa32a982fc05077f Bob Sellon: you are a lunatic GENIUS!!!!!!!!! I would like to get officially in line for your JamMan mods as soon as you think they be available... INCLUDE ME IN! you are pushing the lil buggers into a realm where the things will become much more an instrument, and less a clever device. Thanks upon bend-ned knee... Robby Aceto From ???@??? Mon May 12 10:30:44 1997 >From kflint Mon May 12 08:35:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wQx80-0006BE-00; Mon, 12 May 1997 08:35:08 -0700 Message-Id: <199705121528.IAA24128@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: Sustainers and pickups Date: Mon, 12 May 97 10:27:01 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"Gk4w5D.A.YUF.1azdz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 08:35:08 -0700 X-UIDL: 14cd51e344b5bac9852c409eb27dc9dc >Also worth noting: Some K. Yairi acoustic guitars were made with stereo >outputs, with the strings split 123/456. Some Ovation acoustic guitars >were made with stereo outputs-- with the strings split 135/246. I >wasn't excited by the Ovation I tried, but I played the Yairi through a >pair of Twin Reverbs, with the low strings clean and dry, but with heavy >reverb and tremolo on the high strings. It was delicious! Yamaha also had the APX series of acoustics which would let let split it 123/456 or 135/246. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Mon May 12 10:30:36 1997 >From kflint Mon May 12 05:50:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wQuYZ-0006Qm-00; Mon, 12 May 1997 05:50:23 -0700 X-From_:nyfac2@nyfac.com Mon May 12 05:50:22 1997 Received: from mail2.panix.com [198.7.0.33] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wQuYW-0006QJ-00; Mon, 12 May 1997 05:50:20 -0700 Received: from o2 ([208.7.228.2]) by mail2.panix.com (8.8.5/8.7.1/PanixM1.0) with SMTP id IAA07250 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 08:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <337725BA.2781@nyfac.com> Old-Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 10:14:18 -0400 From: nyfac2 Organization: New York Film & Animation Co. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SGoldC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan modifications References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 05:50:23 -0700 X-UIDL: 56826ae85601677cf299feede40950a2 mgsam@wave.net wrote: > > ditto x3 on Mac ap. > > >>upgrade. So far it provides a virtual mixer for the 4 loop/channel > >> "Pages" but will eventually provide lots of other things as well. Does > >>this sort of thing seem like it would be useful to anyone? What kinds of > >>things would you like to see in it?>> > >> > >>Yes. A Mac app. -- Paul > > > >Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. > >email = ppoplawski@state.de.us or paulpop@ssnet.com > >phone service = 302/737-4491 > >weekday office = 302/577-4980 uhh- don't forget us PC users.... Trevor From ???@??? Mon May 12 10:30:37 1997 >From kflint Mon May 12 06:13:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wQuug-0007DS-00; Mon, 12 May 1997 06:13:14 -0700 Message-Id: <9705121311.AA27364@beryllium.lexicon.com> Priority: urgent Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:19:00 -0400 From: "Sellon, Bob" Subject: RE: RE: JamMan modifications To: Loopers-Delight X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Resent-Message-ID: <"GfVjED.A.rkG.TZxdz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 06:13:14 -0700 X-UIDL: e4d8d861d84d71edc099777c209e48ca Ed wrote: >Did you say pan of each loop? That must mean STEREO! Will this cause the >length of available loop time to be cut in half to process left and right? The loops still use up audio memory but you can have up to 4 per page so you could have, for instance, a single page with 4 eight second loops (total 32 seconds) or two pages with 4 four second loops. Get it? >Also, will you be able to mute or replace any of the 4 loops on one page, >say you wanted to mute loop number 2 on a page and leave loops 1, 3, 4 >still playing or even replace loop 3 while still hearing the other loops? >Will this be possible? Yes. You can operate on any loop independently while the others continue to run. The basic rule is, you can only operate (replace, layer) on one loop at a time while the others play. The one exception I may make to that is the Delay mode/function. Its just way too cool to limit it. I'll have to see what kind of problems I run into though. >I can definitely see where odd loop sizes could mess >up trying to sync across pages. Maybe you could have an "un-synced" mode >where each page could be as long as wanted or needed and you since you >are >not syncing you don't need to worry how to sync from one page to another. >Just starting page 2 at the loop boundary of loop 1. Maybe in a "synced" >mode if the second and subsequent pages were some multiple of the first >such as half , twice, 3 times etc. or maybe even +1, +2, +3 , so if page 1 >is 4 beats long, page 2 could be 5 or 6 or 7 beats long, maintaining the >common quarter note pulse? This would let you have a 4/4 page followed by a >5/4 page. I could see some practical applications of this, but maybe it's >too weird or hard to implement. Thats been the thing. It gets weird real quick. I'll probably code it up an see how it works. I'll keep you posted. Bob again: >Ed, I not exactly clear on why you are having so much trouble >syncronizing the second loop. If you are using multiple loops, you >should always "Tap" on the first beat of the loop. This is vitally >important because this is the point at which changes from one loop to >another take place. If you tap on 3, Jamman will start initializing the >second loop on the third beat of your current loop which gets confusing >real quick. When you tap in the first loop try to tap exactly on the >first beat. All of the loops are the same size on the current Jamman so >the second loop will automatically be the same size as the first. >Remember, however, that you DON'T need to tap in the second loop. Simply >use the loop (? Channel?) button to select the next loop and let Jamman >handle the rest. The "time copy" function is built in and automatic. >Bob, let me clarify what I meant. When I sync to a drum machine , there is >no problem lining loops 2, 3 4 etc. up to the pulse, because the drum >machine is my "click track". Suppose I want to strum an acoustic guitar >loop without using a "click" for timing, say a one measure A section in >loop 1, obviously at the end of loop 1 I can have loop 2 cued up to start >recording, so it's not really the starting point of loop 2 where the >problem is, it is the ending point of loop 2. Say loop one is exactly 4 >seconds long. I think I have decent timing but humans aren't perfect so >without a "click" track when I play, maybe I finish loop 2 at 3.98 >seconds, so now there is a tiny gap at the end of loop 2 which is >noticeable when I switch between loops, as well as if my loop 2 is a little >longer than loop1, then loop 2 gets chopped off a little at the end. Is >this a little bit clearer? That's why for me at least, there are times when >I don't need or want to be synced to anything and letting each loop be its' >own length would be very useful. I think I get it. Sounds like the best solution is to let you tap in the size of the second loop. I >Thanks for your time and allowing us to give you some input. I really look >forward to the upgrade. Oh, by the way do you need any beta testers? ;-) Send me some email direct (at bsellon@lexicon.com) about software testing. Thanks for your input. It's definitely appreciated. Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec From ???@??? Mon May 12 10:30:39 1997 >From kflint Mon May 12 06:26:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wQv7P-000012-00; Mon, 12 May 1997 06:26:23 -0700 Message-Id: <9705121319.AA27471@beryllium.lexicon.com> Priority: urgent Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:23:00 -0400 From: "Sellon, Bob" Subject: RE: More RE: JamMan modifications To: Loopers-Delight X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Resent-Message-ID: <"00w1IC.A._MH.Coxdz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 06:26:23 -0700 X-UIDL: ad6f58fb84c2d899d44b260d3b43519c Ed wrote: >Another thing that would be nice in Echo mode, which you may have already >implemented in the new rom, would be to be able to hold or freeze the loop >created in Echo mode and then to solo over the loop without adding your >solo to the loop. As it is now, if I'm in echo mode and I have the >regeneration at infinite, I have to reach over and turn the effects send to >the JamMan on my mixer off to be able to solo over it. It would be nice to >control this via MIDI. >Another thing that would be nice to have, is to be able to access the Loop, >Echo, and Sample modes via MIDI without having to reach over and turn the >Mode knob on the front panel. >And lastly (for now anyway ;-) to have the JamMan be able to MIDI sync to >odd time signatures at least 5, 7. 9, and 11 ( you could go higher if you >like) would be really nice. I hope I don't ask for too much , Bob! ;-) > >Thanks again, Ed All of these things are already in there. "Delay" has become a function just like Layer or Replace. You just toggle the Delay mode off and the current contents of the memory starts looping. The number of beats can be dialed in from 1-19. Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec From ???@??? Mon May 12 10:30:40 1997 >From kflint Mon May 12 08:05:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wQweu-0004Q4-00; Mon, 12 May 1997 08:05:04 -0700 Message-Id: <9705121504.AA27817@beryllium.lexicon.com> Priority: urgent Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:48:00 -0400 From: "Sellon, Bob" Subject: RE: whiny looper To: Loopers-Delight X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Resent-Message-ID: <"NM5XLB.A.B8D.IDzdz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 08:05:04 -0700 X-UIDL: 3711a49ca8d4342efaa147704f5af595 Bryan, Memory expansion is a significantly more involved mod than the upgrade I am working on but it's still in the plan. It will probably be handled seperately from the other mod. I'll keep the forum posted. Bob ---------- From: Loopers-Delight[SMTP:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com] Sent: Sunday, May 11, 1997 6:22 AM To: loopers-delight Subject: whiny looper To the Jamman Upgrade Crew (AKA Bob), All the possible new paramaeters to tweak with the new upgrade sound spiff however it still sounds like no memory expansion to get past 32 seconds. Is that the drift I should for to be catching here, or what? Bryan Helm Technoprimitive Tantrum Boy From ???@??? Mon May 12 10:30:43 1997 >From kflint Mon May 12 08:20:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wQwty-0005GH-00; Mon, 12 May 1997 08:20:38 -0700 Message-Id: <9705121519.AA27857@beryllium.lexicon.com> Priority: urgent Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:53:00 -0400 From: "Sellon, Bob" Subject: RE: whiny looper To: Loopers-Delight X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Resent-Message-ID: <"Y00O9B.A.5rE.IRzdz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 08:20:38 -0700 X-UIDL: 6aed01e05e5b04bc67e11202b20c28fa Kim, Memory expansion is a significantly more involved mod than the upgrade I am working on but it's still in the plan. The original Jamman hardware did include some special circuitry to simplify expansion to 120 seconds but it will require one additional IC in addition to the larger RAMs and a 1.5Amp wall wart (the one used for the LXP 5 will work). It will probably be handled seperately from the other mod. I'll keep the forum posted. ---------- From: Loopers-Delight[SMTP:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com] Sent: Sunday, May 11, 1997 7:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: whiny looper At 2:04 AM +0000 5/11/97, Sarajane wrote: >To the Jamman Upgrade Crew (AKA Bob), > All >the possible new >paramaeters to tweak with the new upgrade sound spiff however it still >sounds like no memory expansion to get past 32 seconds. Is that the >drift >I should for to be catching here, or what? I was wondering about that too. All the new features sound cool, but also sound like they require a significant amount of memory. If you have four tracks simultaneously on one loop, and they are all recorded at the same sample rate used now, wouldn't that mean each can only be 8 seconds long in a fully expanded jamman? And with a second loop (or "page" as you call it), they would be 4 seconds each, right? Seems like memory expansion would be pretty critical! Maybe you should start making your own memory expansion cards with bigger drams. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue May 13 10:27:30 1997 >From kflint Tue May 13 03:47:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRF70-0001Mx-00; Tue, 13 May 1997 03:47:18 -0700 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 18:57:27 -0400 (EDT) From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <970512185622_188326739@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, bsellon@lexicon.com Subject: Re: FW: JamMan modifications (sync to MIDI p Resent-Message-ID: <"Ix2rIB.A.-HB.cYEez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 03:47:18 -0700 X-UIDL: 772138bb0a80a8caf31fce26267205c7 In a message dated 11/05/97 8:31:318:23, you(Bob Sellon) write: >James, >My options are limited but I'm thinking about providing a fade at the >loop boundry when synced to MIDI clock to eliminate the pops. The only >problem is you'll hear a short drop out at the boundry. This seems >reasonable and perhaps even usable compared to the current situation. Yes, but if you could record a loop which was a bit longer wouldn't you be able to cross-fade it with itself? From ???@??? Tue May 13 02:46:47 1997 >From kflint Tue May 13 01:34:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRD2S-0003rN-00; Tue, 13 May 1997 01:34:28 -0700 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 19:00:13 -0400 (EDT) From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <970512185641_1854203092@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: re sustainers Resent-Message-ID: <"OS6DUD.A.cND.mYCez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 01:34:28 -0700 X-UIDL: 0a4a11c7e9aba28cbb2ba9fa7cde2ec7 Has anyone out there ever taken an ebow apart to see how it works? Do tell. Is this going off topic or can we count a sustained note as a v.short loop? Andy Butler. From ???@??? Tue May 13 02:46:41 1997 >From kflint Tue May 13 00:55:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRCQO-0001nE-00; Tue, 13 May 1997 00:55:08 -0700 Message-Id: <199705130658.XAA07296@dsp.net> From: "James Reynolds" To: "Looper's Delight" Cc: Subject: Re: JamMan modifications (sync to MIDI p Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 00:50:45 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"xKzn6B.A.4hB.A3Bez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 00:55:08 -0700 X-UIDL: 3cbe06de36c15f3e366e4a3c13753358 (mail server weirdness, sorry if this is a repost...) regarding the jamcompadre's "clicking" at loop boundaries when synced to MIDI, bob sellon wrote: > James, > My options are limited but I'm thinking about providing a fade at the > loop boundry when synced to MIDI clock to eliminate the pops. The only > problem is you'll hear a short drop out at the boundry. This seems > reasonable and perhaps even usable compared to the current situation. this would definitely be a major improvement over the current situation. however, you might want to try the method used by the echoplex - setting the loop time once when recording the loop, and letting it "free sync" from then on. one would think the loop would drift noticeably out of sync, but from my experience that doesn't seem to be the case. i've had two- or four-measure loops free sync for a couple hours with no noticeable drift. i guess very short loops would begin to drift more quickly, though. also, this approach makes for seamless loop boundaries in sync mode, which is very nice for textural loops that have notes decaying over the loop boundary. thanks bob, james From ???@??? Tue May 13 10:27:27 1997 >From kflint Tue May 13 03:07:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wREUG-0007Cg-00; Tue, 13 May 1997 03:07:16 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199705130658.XAA07296@dsp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 02:56:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: JamMan modifications (sync to MIDI p Resent-Message-ID: <"TnRNzC.A.MkG.QvDez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 03:07:16 -0700 X-UIDL: 4245ed49f86db8b9d3cb18d25f8cdd7c James said: >regarding the jamcompadre's "clicking" at loop boundaries when synced to >MIDI, bob sellon wrote: > >> James, >> My options are limited but I'm thinking about providing a fade at the >> loop boundry when synced to MIDI clock to eliminate the pops. The only >> problem is you'll hear a short drop out at the boundry. This seems >> reasonable and perhaps even usable compared to the current situation. > >this would definitely be a major improvement over the current situation. > >however, you might want to try the method used by the echoplex - setting >the loop time once when recording the loop, and letting it "free sync" from >then on. one would think the loop would drift noticeably out of sync, but >from my experience that doesn't seem to be the case. i've had two- or >four-measure loops free sync for a couple hours with no noticeable drift. >i guess very short loops would begin to drift more quickly, though. The echoplex doesn't "free sync" actually. It re-syncs to the midi clock each time through the loop. If it did free sync, it would definitely drift away from the midi clock. I think the manual has an error on that point. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue May 13 10:27:29 1997 >From kflint Tue May 13 03:43:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRF35-00015I-00; Tue, 13 May 1997 03:43:15 -0700 Message-Id: <199705130944.CAA08066@dsp.net> From: "James Reynolds" To: Subject: Re: JamMan modifications (sync to MIDI p Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 03:37:19 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"6xBPkD.A.0u.OTEez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 03:43:15 -0700 X-UIDL: 6b350e1465f5d12bfd6ee244971302aa kim f. sez: > The echoplex doesn't "free sync" actually. It re-syncs to the midi clock > each time through the loop. If it did free sync, it would definitely drift > away from the midi clock. I think the manual has an error on that point. ah, i see... and yes, the manual does erroneously give the free sync explanation. are there any other errors in the manual i should know of, before i go yammering about some other non-feature of the plex? :) so anyway, since the plex apparently uses the same basic MIDI syncing concept as the jamman, how did you echoplex-designers avoid the clicking at loop boundaries experienced by the current jamman? the loop boundaries of a synced plex are unnoticeable. james From ???@??? Tue May 13 20:48:19 1997 >From kflint Tue May 13 11:18:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRM9h-0007Uj-00; Tue, 13 May 1997 11:18:33 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 10:52:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Echoplexes shipping! Resent-Message-ID: <"7_RcUB.A.AvF.duKez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:18:33 -0700 X-UIDL: a66a6bbcaa77217a4a84a94ece9e0747 I was at Oberheim yesterday, and what did I see but a palette o' plexes ready to ship! Another batch was sent out last week too. The production problems have been worked out, and the long echoplex drought is finally coming to an end... OB has well over a 100 echoplex backorders right now; after those get filled they should start stocking them at dealers again. Those of you that have been waiting patiently will finally get some satisfaction! Among the production "problems" was motivation. I must say that the general enthusiasm on this list for the echoplex and looping in general has a lot to do with the renewed interest. Keep it up, there are people listening! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue May 13 20:48:22 1997 >From kflint Tue May 13 11:41:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRMVN-0001Fw-00; Tue, 13 May 1997 11:40:57 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 14:18:46 -0400 (EDT) From: MiqSk8@aol.com Message-ID: <970513141748_2051833448@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplexes shipping! Resent-Message-ID: <"dI0SGD.A.vJH.YDLez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:40:57 -0700 X-UIDL: d0b5c4d6c495bd611049cde634d35e54 kim- i don't suppose that while you were there they mentioned anything about the cueu, did they? i guess dean is pulling my leg about this, or his leg is being pulled by someone else. From ???@??? Tue May 13 20:48:25 1997 >From kflint Tue May 13 12:29:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRNFT-0004Yw-00; Tue, 13 May 1997 12:28:35 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:48:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: ms20@mx.serv.net (Romeo Fahl) Subject: Re: re sustainers Resent-Message-ID: <"m56-0D.A._0C.fuLez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 12:28:35 -0700 X-UIDL: 5f9974f72ce387201f869a11362e1353 I'm not exactly sure, but someone I know (Davey Williams) took a baseball glove and mounted a DC motor in each finger, allowing him to modulate the sustain by moving his fingers. R> >Has anyone out there ever taken an ebow apart to see how it works? >Do tell. > >Is this going off topic or can we count a sustained note as a v.short loop? > > Andy Butler. From ???@??? Tue May 13 20:48:37 1997 >From kflint Tue May 13 14:17:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wROwb-0003nS-00; Tue, 13 May 1997 14:17:13 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:56:09 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: Echoplexes shipping! Resent-Message-ID: <"p0c6wC.A.AaC.5WNez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 14:17:13 -0700 X-UIDL: e02bd72fd701102dd06ad0bd7da4c8fb Kim: I hope they're getting motivated about the software update. I have since discovered that the "plex" in posession of the Loop Doctors is one of the very early models that won't do a decent midi transfer. Any further word on the software update? Best, The Loopdoctors From ???@??? Tue May 13 20:48:52 1997 >From kflint Tue May 13 19:14:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRTZl-0006aK-00; Tue, 13 May 1997 19:13:57 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:13:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplexes shipping! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"PBh7bC.A.WSF.NuRez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 19:13:57 -0700 X-UIDL: c2e2b73b3317379902126e2ee50479c8 That's GREAT! I'm one the one's patiently waiting, great to hear they are shipping. BTW, are these units going to have the legendary software upgrade? Stew Benedict From ???@??? Wed May 14 00:02:11 1997 >From kflint Tue May 13 22:21:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRWUo-0000Hb-00; Tue, 13 May 1997 22:21:02 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 01:12:20 -0400 (EDT) From: BlkSwan03@aol.com Message-ID: <970514011219_777914920@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplexes shipping! Resent-Message-ID: <"kbVYqB.A.TMH.9nUez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 22:21:02 -0700 X-UIDL: 05c62e6e196ebac58c035f29f250d941 But what about the blasted update???!!!! When are we going to have stereo without problems??!! From ???@??? Wed May 14 10:13:42 1997 >From kflint Wed May 14 00:21:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRYNT-0005kZ-00; Wed, 14 May 1997 00:21:35 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 03:17:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Gabestern@aol.com Message-ID: <970514031751_575038809@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplexes shipping! Resent-Message-ID: <"WA0NQB.A.gPF.ddWez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 00:21:35 -0700 X-UIDL: 7cb3bb0d62959c01e62d3a28e354147c I'm interested to know what problems there are running 2 echoplexes to get stereo From ???@??? Wed May 14 10:13:45 1997 >From kflint Wed May 14 04:32:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRcI5-0004I1-00; Wed, 14 May 1997 04:32:17 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 07:29:15 -0400 (EDT) From: BlkSwan03@aol.com Message-ID: <970514072913_2085488427@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Stereo Echoplex Problems Resent-Message-ID: <"ShGP9C.A.U6D.LJaez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 04:32:17 -0700 X-UIDL: b3e730619b62500a59451fe7fab6ea8b I don't know if anyone else has this problem, but when my two Echoplexes are connected in stereo, there is complete audio degradation in the slave unit in five minutes. Nothing but noise. The units work great by themselves, they just don't seem to like being hooked up together. This has been a great disappointment to me. I spoke to Kim about this over two years ago, and he aknowledged the problem and spoke about the need for an upgrade. In fact, he claimed the upgrade was ready to go but that Gibson was not supporting it at that time. OK, fine, I've been hearing about the legendary upgrade being around the corner for over two years now. Now were down to any week now. But when? The Echoplex is a great machine, but the stereo part is not worked out yet and to advertise this capability is just wrong. To a certain extent, stereo will work if you're playing live and the loops are flying fast. But in the studio, I like to work with the twin Echoplexes plugged into subouts on the console. Working loops in stereo like this is quite a magical experience. Using stereo effects and being able to place instruments or voice in a wide stereo field beats the hell out of mono looping with everything stacked on top. When I build a loop like this, sometimes it takes a bit of time. Five minutes goes by very fast. To hear nothing but hiss on one channel after working out parts and building a cool loop is an ultra frustrating experience. I gave up. For two years the promise of this upgrade has basically been the proverbial carrot on the stick for me. Oberheim has not been any help on this. Now I read that they are shipping units again. This just seems ridiculous to me if the problems have not been worked out. The manual is also a nightmare of inconsistency and misinformation. Any corrections to this? Sorry I seem so bitter, but all I've got out of anyone so far are distant promises. Kim's a lovely guy, but I wish he'd stop concerning himself about Jamman mods and get on with this upgrade. Perhaps there are not many others in the same boat as me, so this situation can drag on forever. I'm sure that most people buy just one 'Plex. If the update ever does come out, and you want to be amazed, slap another Echoplex in your rig and check it out. Quick multitracking the likes of which you have never seen. Stereo Echoplexes (with the mythical update and extra memory installed) are to music what Polaroid cameras are to photography. If anyone wants to know more, drop me a line. Jim From ???@??? Wed May 14 10:13:46 1997 >From kflint Wed May 14 05:44:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRdPk-0006J8-00; Wed, 14 May 1997 05:44:16 -0700 Message-Id: <9705141245.AA06678@beryllium.lexicon.com> Priority: urgent Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 09:30:00 -0400 From: "Sellon, Bob" Subject: Jamman sync issues (continued) To: Loopers-Delight X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Resent-Message-ID: <"qrI4iC.A.qxF.SMbez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 05:44:16 -0700 X-UIDL: cb19f039f827c4eb52c233f92273737a James, Your suggestion may actually be more esthetically pleasing than the brute force mute I suggested. The only thing I'm concerned about is that you will probably still have some kind of artifact at the boundary due to both loops playing at the same time for a moment. In putting together the new version of the software, I had to make a fairly radical change to the basic software mechanics (???) which produces the loops. This change allows a lot of really cool stuff like slap delays and perhaps other kinds of DSP things but it broke the MIDI clock synchronization. Strangely enough, the new system lends itself to the technique you are suggesting so I'll probably try that first. This is one of the few remaining (though still fairly big) issues remaining in the new software. I'll keep you posted and, thanks for the suggestion. Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec ---------- From: Loopers-Delight[SMTP:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 1997 8:17 AM To: Loopers-Delight; bsellon Subject: Re: FW: JamMan modifications (sync to MI In a message dated 11/05/97 8:31:318:23, you(Bob Sellon) write: >James, >My options are limited but I'm thinking about providing a fade at the >loop boundry when synced to MIDI clock to eliminate the pops. The only >problem is you'll hear a short drop out at the boundry. This seems >reasonable and perhaps even usable compared to the current situation. Yes, but if you could record a loop which was a bit longer wouldn't you be able to cross-fade it with itself? From ???@??? Wed May 14 10:13:54 1997 >From kflint Wed May 14 07:54:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRfRd-0003kM-00; Wed, 14 May 1997 07:54:21 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 10:48:37 -0400 (EDT) From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <970514104642_87838300@emout20.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplexes shipping! Resent-Message-ID: <"nrDkBC.A.7ND.FEdez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 07:54:21 -0700 X-UIDL: f01ac36f13792930685c33c36f0dffc1 Posted: > I'm interested to know what problems there are running > 2 echoplexes to get stereo. None that I'm aware of (other than affording them in the first place). From ???@??? Wed May 14 10:14:01 1997 >From kflint Wed May 14 09:22:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRgp4-0001Ck-00; Wed, 14 May 1997 09:22:39 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:10:24 -0400 (EDT) From: MiqSk8@aol.com Message-ID: <970514121023_1008242049@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplexes shipping! Resent-Message-ID: <"86WY8.A.yb.JReez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 09:22:39 -0700 X-UIDL: ac594fa4681bcfeee8077a86891e0a5d In a message dated 97-05-14 02:12:50 EDT, you write: << But what about the blasted update???!!!! >> got this this morning :( >>Dear Mr. Barlow, >>Thank you for your e-mail regarding Oberheim and the Echoplex upgrade. Per >>Mike Lyon, General Manager of Oberheim, the upgrade was being Beta tested, >>some revisions were necessary, and the estimated completion is two weeks to >>one month. hurryup and w a i t hurryup and w a i t hurryup and w a i t hurryup and w a i t From ???@??? Wed May 14 10:14:03 1997 >From kflint Wed May 14 09:53:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRhI9-0003AI-00; Wed, 14 May 1997 09:52:41 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:39:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Gabestern@aol.com Message-ID: <970514123904_-264553571@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Stereo Echoplex Problems Resent-Message-ID: <"9VbI6C.A.JQC.Tseez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 09:52:41 -0700 X-UIDL: 6fa4189657b12b9821ca1a5e8aaecdbc Jim, I'm not sure I understand your problem. I don't have 2 echoplexes yet, but hope to soon. From reading the manual, I surmise that you would feed the Right audio to one echoplex and the Left audio to the other, and that Brother Sync keeps the units synced. Feedback through a footpedal can either be done with a stereo pedal, in which case it seems that the audio paths are totally independent, or with a mono pedal, in which case --- well, though I don't exactly understand how, I think the midi connection between the two echoplexes somehow takes care of the feedback path for the slave. At any rate, how is it that the slave unit builds up hiss? Are you leaving the units in overdub mode for extended periods of time. Even so, why is the slave (oops..... brother) unit different from the master (older brother?). Why wouldn't they both build up hiss. gabriel From ???@??? Wed May 14 10:14:04 1997 >From kflint Wed May 14 10:16:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRhfO-0004oW-00; Wed, 14 May 1997 10:16:42 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:45:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Gabestern@aol.com Message-ID: <970514124522_875500797@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Echoplexes shipping! Resent-Message-ID: <"kT2ByD.A.M2D.EEfez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 10:16:42 -0700 X-UIDL: a12ce7135e562b01dae7282068f1ad9c Could someone fill me in on the details of the promised update. What are the problems to be fixed or new features to be added? From ???@??? Wed May 14 10:14:02 1997 >From kflint Wed May 14 09:39:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRh5b-0002JA-00; Wed, 14 May 1997 09:39:43 -0700 X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9705141245.AA06678@beryllium.lexicon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:17:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Jamman pages and loops Resent-Message-ID: <"fj9QBB.A.RcB.0feez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 09:39:43 -0700 X-UIDL: 0c227fa78af8a41e729c26427a4bd116 Bob, Forgive me if I seem dense but I wanted to understand this pages and loops concept in the new software a bit better. I was just pondering practical applications of all this and since all we have so far are descriptions of this stuff, I just want to make sure I understand. Are the pages basically what the loops are called now, in the current software ? Is the size of the page (start and end points ) the first thing you determine or is the page size determined by the size of the longest loop on that page? Do all loops on a page start over at the beginning of the page? The loops on a page seem to be like layers or overdubs that are controllable, undo-able, etc. I assume that each loop on a page can still consist of several layers as they are in the current software. How is the memory allocated, can you start with two 8 second pages first, which means you can only have 2 loops per page, or if you have an 8 second page then you can't have any more pages because the memory is being held aside for the 4 loops on that page ? It would seem more practical to sync the pages to each other, rather than loops on a page, allowing each page to be it's own length, maybe subsequent pages being some relationship to the first page, especially if loops on a page are only as big as the page itself, ie. if they start over at the beginning of the page. Using multiple pages probably won't be very practical until if and when the memory can be expanded. Keep up the great work! Thanks again Ed From ???@??? Thu May 15 00:01:09 1997 >From kflint Wed May 14 11:44:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRj1r-0001Gc-00; Wed, 14 May 1997 11:43:59 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 11:08:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Hey Bob, wanna trade? Resent-Message-ID: <"kCsnKB.A.ZE.AGgez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 11:43:59 -0700 X-UIDL: f84286ea77c2052d52ff0412b47d3efd Ok, so, the JamMan has been out 1 year longer than the Echoplex, with nary a mention of upgrade ever. Lexicon even goes so far as to chuck the whole thing. JamMan users are understandably sad. Then along comes Bob, who says, "Hey guys, I'm workin' on a software upgrade in my spare time! What do you think?" JamMan users, with renewed joy and bright happy smiles, exclaim, "That's wonderful Bob! You're the swellest guy in the world!" ....and all is lovely in JamManLand! Meanwhile, in Echoplexia (which has been around one year less than JamMania, as previously mentioned), where it always seems to be raining and maybe a bit gloomier than most places, Kim, Matthias, and Eric say, "Hey guys, we're working on a software upgrade! We're even spending all of our spare time, using up our life savings, maxing our credit limits, and destroying our personal lives to do it for you! What do you think?" And then we run for cover as a horde of raving Echoplex users gives chase, screaming "Well where the @#*&% is it? Why aren't you done yet? We want it now and we're going to stamp our feet and hold our breath until you give it to us!!!" And I'm so proud! My motivation just soars! Hey Bob, wanna trade places for a while? :-) All of this gets a big smiley, of course (-: Now if you all don't mind, I'm not answering much mail at the moment since I'm a little busy testing stereo functions and such. Please just take a deep breath and go play with your reverb for a while. We'll let you know when the cookies are done and make all the appropriate announcements. In the mean time, I'm remaining quiet so as not to make vaporware problems any worse. And maybe, just maybe, I'll actually get some work done..... thanks, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu May 15 00:01:57 1997 >From kflint Wed May 14 17:11:06 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRo8K-0003Ha-00; Wed, 14 May 1997 17:11:00 -0700 Message-ID: <01BC6078.3D35A880@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Technique and Looping Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 15:05:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"6j4_2C.A.tsC.eNlez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 17:11:00 -0700 X-UIDL: ef2c6288a10994db0d7b29bfcc9a3953 Has anyone else noticed this? The more time I spend looping, the poorer my manual technique becomes. However, my musical judgement and sense of orchestration increase. While the more time I spend playing with a band in real time, the better my manual technique becomes (to a point). However, my musical judgement and sense of orchestration in a live setting seem to benefit from looping. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Thu May 15 00:01:25 1997 >From kflint Wed May 14 14:26:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRlZV-0004kX-00; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:26:53 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 15:08:04 -0400 (EDT) From: BobbyZZZ@aol.com Message-ID: <970514150759_-929902089@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Hey Bob, wanna trade? Resent-Message-ID: <"piX-kC.A.RIE.x0iez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 14:26:53 -0700 X-UIDL: c89432cbe3924fada51d523225b3c970 In a message dated 5/14/97 2:35:58 PM, you wrote: <> hey now, all you PLEX users be kind to Kim....he's working hard, and as you all know the PLEX is quite a bit more complicated animal to work on than the JamMan. great leaps forward take time and effort, and need positive reinforcement and energy. once the PLEX is upgraded and updated, it will be the most powerful unit of all loopers. i can't wait......as soon as it's all done i'm buying one :-) bobby d/lvx nova ps: any of you loopers ever play in blues bands? From ???@??? Thu May 15 00:02:04 1997 >From kflint Wed May 14 18:34:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRpQx-0002IS-00; Wed, 14 May 1997 18:34:19 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 14:12:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Kim Corbet Subject: Re: Hey Bob, wanna trade? To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"xP5UYC.A.nuB.Gbmez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 18:34:19 -0700 X-UIDL: 9c8333f19e224f5024b20a4c67ceb3a0 kim... I recommend shutting down the list for a month and setting fire to the bed. That'll teach 'em. Hey, I'll set fire to my bed, too! Let's ALL set fire to our beds!!! Maybe they'll show up to bulldoze all our homes by the time the plex, rang and jimjam updates actually arrive. I'm guessing this stuff MUST be Biblical, something no one really knows and a little scared of. --the spare kim From ???@??? Thu May 15 00:01:27 1997 >From kflint Wed May 14 14:48:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRlu7-0006e6-00; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:48:11 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:24:41 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: Hey Bob, wanna trade? Resent-Message-ID: <"B_vxBC.A.b5F.eIjez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 14:48:11 -0700 X-UIDL: c5d4244d83b6a45f054673c0f4df0687 Keep working Kim, and ignore the flames. The LoOpDoctOrs salute you. :) From ???@??? Thu May 15 00:01:24 1997 >From kflint Wed May 14 14:21:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRlUX-0004HQ-00; Wed, 14 May 1997 14:21:45 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 16:03:23 -0400 (EDT) From: MiqSk8@aol.com Message-ID: <970514160237_1522513699@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Hey Bob, wanna trade? Resent-Message-ID: <"18p0bC.A.onD.Dviez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 14:21:45 -0700 X-UIDL: c2a56ee6ce5271915476ca4f93b8db3a youch! i guess i need to apologize, as one who has been cajoling in this area. i thought (apparently incorrectly) that obie/gwiz employees were working on the 'plex upgrade. and that kim, matthias et al. had moved on to other jobs, no longer working for obie. i also kinda inferred from the faq that this thing was basically in the can. since i started this message i got kim's latest reply to my mail from dean-looks like i've been barking up the wrong tree(or at least the wrong branch). again, apoligize for any impatience i have exhibited and/or encouraged on the upgrade. your previous work has been exceptional (i suppose only comprimised by marketing timing) and extremely well thought out. i'm sure that the same concern and genius is being applied here again, and for that i(we) are thankful. From ???@??? Thu May 15 00:01:45 1997 >From kflint Wed May 14 16:29:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRnTn-0007hz-00; Wed, 14 May 1997 16:29:07 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 15:20:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Hey Bob, wanna trade? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"ja05AB.A.p6G.hnkez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 16:29:07 -0700 X-UIDL: a11d0829dc3f939d61dee1134e27b477 Of course, Kim, the reason the JamMan users are so much more excited about an upgrade than the Echoplex users is because the Echoplex already does most of the things we want out of the JamMan upgrade... :} -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Thu May 15 00:01:44 1997 >From kflint Wed May 14 16:29:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRnTn-0007ht-00; Wed, 14 May 1997 16:29:07 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 17:02:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Hey Bob, wanna trade? In-Reply-To: <970514150759_-929902089@emout17.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"ocKt0.A.65G.Xnkez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 16:29:07 -0700 X-UIDL: 9998b426d4620dba671ea17934224567 On Wed, 14 May 1997 BobbyZZZ@aol.com wrote: > ps: any of you loopers ever play in blues bands? I played a blues jam once (not looping, just jamming). Me, the drummer, and the sax player had a blast deconstructing Sweet Home Chicago. The conservative Clapton-clone schmuck running the show just glared at us the whole time. We had fun, but it was made pretty clear to me afterward that whole-tone runs and harmonic-minor gypsy noodling are not appropriate treatments for the blues. :} -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Thu May 15 00:01:56 1997 >From kflint Wed May 14 17:06:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRo3S-0002tB-00; Wed, 14 May 1997 17:05:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 19:58:47 -0400 (EDT) From: BlkSwan03@aol.com Message-ID: <970514195842_315273697@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Stereo Echoplex Problems Resent-Message-ID: <"BhHqFD.A.BQC.3Hlez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 17:05:58 -0700 X-UIDL: 7ae8fdfde9ed837e96267a192c25061b Gabrial, First off, I'd wait for the upgrade before going stereo. Either that or have someone at the store that you purchase from hook them up (and show you how that's done as the manual is vague at best) and demonstrate. Then just let that stereo loop play for 15 minutes or so. If it's still going strong, go for it. If not, you'll have bumped into the same problem that I have. (is their anyone out there that gets problem free stereo operation ?) I can't explain why the audio degrade on the slave unit occurs. It does tho. It's not from leaving the overdub button on either. When I first discovered this problem, I sat in my studio and meticulously went over the hook up procedure. Where all the parameters had to be set on both units according to Kim. In frustration, I started to press buttons randomly, just to see if anything changed. Somehow, something worked and the loop did not degrade. I could go off and have a bite and come back several hours later and it would still be playing perfectly. Unfortunately, I could never duplicate the situation. Until the upgrade is released, I'm stuck as far as stereo goes with the way I work. I realize that everyone involved is working hard at completion, but there's a holdup somewhere and the wait is driving me nuts. Other than that, I love the Echoplex. Jim From ???@??? Thu May 15 00:01:58 1997 >From kflint Wed May 14 17:26:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRoNh-0004Zz-00; Wed, 14 May 1997 17:26:53 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970515003011.00a586d4@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 17:30:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Stereo Echoplex Problems Resent-Message-ID: <"BMHKk.A.37D.3clez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 17:26:53 -0700 X-UIDL: 8d98fa82c9f5eeef0baec5c060945eb5 Jim, I've asked you a couple of times to accurately describe your set up and the manner in which you use the stereo echoplexes. So far I haven't ever received that info. Rather than continuing to throw a fit in public and unnecessarily worrying people, would you mind documenting exactly what all of the parameter settings are on both units, the manner in which they are connected, and the exact sequence of events which causes the audio degradation? The work arounds that I have suggested to you in the past should have solved this problem. Since they apparently didn't, I'm not sure what is going wrong. I really need more complete information in order to help you and make sure that any problems with the software have been fixed. Believe me, I would much prefer that you were a satisfied user! Please send that info to me at home rather than here at work: kflint@annihilist.com As for the rest of you, there are many stereo users who do not experience the problems Jim has described, including me. I believe that Jim is experiencing something wrong, and we will certainly make sure we sort it out so that others do not have the same unfortunate experience. thanks, kim At 07:58 PM 5/14/97 -0400, you wrote: >Gabrial, >First off, I'd wait for the upgrade before going stereo. Either that or have >someone at the store that you purchase from hook them up (and show you how >that's done as the manual is vague at best) and demonstrate. Then just let >that stereo loop play for 15 minutes or so. If it's still going strong, go >for it. If not, you'll have bumped into the same problem that I have. (is >their anyone out there that gets problem free stereo operation ?) I can't >explain why the audio degrade on the slave unit occurs. It does tho. It's >not from leaving the overdub button on either. When I first discovered this >problem, I sat in my studio and meticulously went over the hook up >procedure. Where all the parameters had to be set on both units according to >Kim. In frustration, I started to press buttons randomly, just to see if >anything changed. Somehow, something worked and the loop did not degrade. I >could go off and have a bite and come back several hours later and it would >still be playing perfectly. Unfortunately, I could never duplicate the >situation. Until the upgrade is released, I'm stuck as far as stereo goes >with the way I work. I realize that everyone involved is working hard at >completion, but there's a holdup somewhere and the wait is driving me nuts. > Other than that, I love the Echoplex. > > Jim > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Thu May 15 00:02:03 1997 >From kflint Wed May 14 18:10:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRp4B-0000Of-00; Wed, 14 May 1997 18:10:47 -0700 Message-ID: <337A6F4B.7BB@fredmarshall.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 18:05:14 -0800 From: fred marshall Reply-To: fred@fredmarshall.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: "there are no problems, just things to be done" - leary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"Fqrw5C.A.tHH.wCmez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 18:10:47 -0700 X-UIDL: 17118fb210c9e940b22b232c841f074f - one wrote: "In frustration, I started to press buttons randomly, just to see if anything changed. Somehow, something worked and the loop did not degrade. I could go off and have a bite and come back several hours later and it would still be playing perfectly. Unfortunately, I could never duplicate the situation." - so the machines DO function properly. - suggestion: AFTER reading whatever instructions are available (if any, and assuming they are in a language familar to you) . . . - one might try starting where one has a comfortable and INTUITIVE grasp of what the trolls and gremlins in those boxes are doing . . . (gremlin takes message in left hand, places it in the right hand of the troll, etc.) . . . and THEN "press buttons randomly". - and EXPERIENCE the architecture and limitations of the equipment/software . . . no need to TRY to re-create earlier success(es), they will "volunteer" as will many other strange and wonderful things never dreamed of by the inventors. - then one might share the joy of such revelation with others. mmmmm From ???@??? Thu May 15 00:02:16 1997 >From kflint Wed May 14 23:38:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRuAy-0001PW-00; Wed, 14 May 1997 23:38:08 -0700 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 15 May 97 01:34 CDT From: "kim corbet" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Hey Bob, wanna trade? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: POPmail 2.3b2 Resent-Message-ID: <"AleUND.A.nHB.K6qez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 23:38:08 -0700 X-UIDL: 5931994618f3b610e21659d3f8e6ab93 > ps: any of you loopers ever play in blues bands? ..We alls gots us a swamp boogie band what's called Rotten Rubber Band in lil ol Dallas. Stymie, the lead singer and core persona plays a custom instrument called "The Bull", half bass/half guitar. He plays in through a rang and lays down great funky, shuffle blues groove- and form-loops, moving on to rhythm riffs or leads. I sometimes bring mine in, too, to play multiple horn parts on...although, with my other processing, including a Whammy II pitch wanker, I can already get a horn section sound without it. All told, three of us have rangs, but the REAL lead guitarist (aka Motley) sounds so good already, he's decided it might get to be too much for the down-home sound we're shooting for. spare kim From ???@??? Thu May 15 00:28:50 1997 >From kflint Thu May 15 00:29:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRuyc-0003B8-00; Thu, 15 May 1997 00:29:26 -0700 X-Sender: matthias@bonfim.bahianet.com.br Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 04:35:14 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: matthias@bahianet.com.br (Matthias Grob) Subject: Re: Hey Bob, wanna trade? Cc: obermuehlner@takefive.ch Resent-Message-ID: <"3UlYjD.A.-0C.Rrrez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 00:29:26 -0700 X-UIDL: 529ecb95e32d71c32daa04d4a1c1302c Status: O X-Status: Jim complained: >I don't know if anyone else has this problem, but when my two Echoplexes are >connected in stereo, there is complete audio degradation in the slave unit in >five minutes. Nothing but noise. Yes, very sorry, a very simple bug: MIDI was not able to transfer the maximum feedback value. This might answer Gabriels question, too. >Five minutes goes by very fast. Its not a matter of time, actually, but of the number of repetitions passed. Long loops fade slower. > Oberheim has not been any help on this. Now I read that they are shipping >units again. This just seems ridiculous to me if the problems have not been >worked out. Definitally ridiculous. >The manual is also a nightmare of inconsistency and >misinformation. Any corrections to this? Well, I wrote a manual to the LOOP delay, that goes deeper, has a more functional structure and is all correct. Just the language and presentation is not that perfect. It takes some upgrade to fit for the Echoplex. I could do that somewhen. Even if Oberheim insists on Warrens version, we could put it on the page, right, Kim? >Sorry I seem so bitter I was much more so. Years of horror. >Kim's a lovely guy, but >I wish he'd stop concerning himself about Jamman mods and get on with this >upgrade. Its not him. Its Gibson that finally has to assume a long time ago worked out contract. And nobody understands what they are waiting for. It was a big loss of reputation and money for them, too. >Perhaps there are not many others in the same boat as me, so this >situation can drag on forever. I'm sure that most people buy just one 'Plex. Not at all, because there were many more bugs than the ones related to stereo. You may not have noted them, depending on your use. >If the update ever does come out, and you want to be amazed, slap another >Echoplex in your rig and check it out. Quick multitracking the likes of >which you have never seen. Stereo Echoplexes (with the mythical update and >extra memory installed) are to music what Polaroid cameras are to >photography. Thank you! And MiqSk8 kindly apologized: > I thought that kim, matthias et al. had moved on to other jobs, no >longer working for obie. i also kinda inferred from the faq that this thing >was basically in the can. That is what we had to do to make some money (the last we got after insisting heavily was about 7000$ in the end of 1995). There are no engineers at Oberheim or G-WIZ that understand the matter. The most important bugs I had fixed in January 95, soon after the first release. I screemed not to get reviews with the old version, but management prefered to read in Guitar Player about the bugs I already had fixed at the time! Then, Oberheim bosses came and went... I know I should not too open at this stage, but, hell, you need to have an idea. And if the problem does not get resolved soon, I might ask you suffering fellows to inject some energy into the case ;-) So far, lets keep cool. Without respect for clients and creators, money shall not flow for the leaders. Its a matter of (little) time and (much) awareness to cure us all. Bob, wanna trade? You must have had your own difficulties... Be well Matthias By the way: I was not posting for months and often behind in reading. I was working like crazy, and got out of balance... Soon I will reapear and send a bunch of old replies that I have to update yet and also some new stuff. We might talk more about plexing again... You Loopists been very helpfull to me in terms of return and comfort. Thanks. From ???@??? Thu May 15 09:51:38 1997 >From kflint Thu May 15 05:00:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wRzCf-0001Od-00; Thu, 15 May 1997 05:00:13 -0700 Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 04:55:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Stew Benedict Subject: echoplexes shipping To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"s9B0OD.A.MMB.9ovez"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 05:00:13 -0700 X-UIDL: 38e8408cb04a7967cc732fc404815fbe I guess I'm responsible for stirring up the software upgrade mess. Sorry! Kim., I for one really appreciate your efforts to date on the 'plex and putting together this list, it's a great resource! Thanks! Stew Benedict From ???@??? Wed May 21 10:47:01 1997 >From kflint Wed May 21 10:50:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wUFWz-0001i4-00; Wed, 21 May 1997 10:50:33 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 10:42:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Technique and Looping Resent-Message-ID: <"43lc.A.fUB.QUzgz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/4 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 10:50:33 -0700 X-UIDL: 378497480480530b32b74be375cce6b2 >Has anyone else noticed this? > >The more time I spend looping, the poorer my manual technique becomes. > However, my musical judgement and sense of orchestration increase. > >While the more time I spend playing with a band in real time, the >better my manual technique becomes (to a point). However, my musical >judgement and sense of orchestration in a live setting seem to benefit >from looping. Since I got into looping, my sense of rhythm and tempo has improved dramatically. If your tempo drifts while recording a loop, it's hard not to notice when it jumps from the end back to the beginning! It forces you to be better. Just hearing your own playing coming back immediately is a great education. Somehow, when I'm playing I am able to imagine that it sounds pretty good, and ignore some of the little mistakes. I can't ignore it when I listen to it loop! It gives you instant feedback about the mistakes you didn't even realize you were making. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed May 21 11:07:53 1997 >From kflint Wed May 21 11:04:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wUFkh-0002o1-00; Wed, 21 May 1997 11:04:43 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 10:57:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: It's Alive!!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"S2v3w.A.DZC.5hzgz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/5 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 11:04:43 -0700 X-UIDL: bc37f1a10fc93b8ec685b57e2a9081cd In case y'all didn't notice, Looper's Delight has been dead the past week. My internet service provider was having some sort of "problem" that required numerous phone calls and emails to correct. It seems to be fixed now, with no explanations or contact at all from the powers that be..... It's actually sort of funny. I received personal mail from the president of my ISP, telling me that our little list was responsible for causing his servers to have a total meltdown. He shut us off himself! He said we constituted "abuse of their servers." As if! Then, a few hours later, I get another email from him saying that it wasn't our fault after all, we just happened to be sending mail when the Big Crash occurred. Seems he and his sysadminions neglected to turn us back on and I got to call his customer support people every day and listen to horrible fuzak "on hold" music. ah well...... Sorry for any inconvenience, and Welcome Back! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed May 21 22:16:10 1997 >From kflint Wed May 21 18:03:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wUMHg-0004Py-00; Wed, 21 May 1997 18:03:12 -0700 Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 17:58:46 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: It's Alive!!!! Resent-Message-ID: <"ni3aXB.A.a9D.Lq5gz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/6 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 18:03:12 -0700 X-UIDL: 10515c3f7a56ff885408dcdbcdef30a5 OOOOOOOOOOOOO... So that's what happened. We were getting worried up here that some kind of feedback thing had gotten out of control. Well, we are thrilled, THRILLED, that you are back Kim. The LoOPdOctors From ???@??? Thu May 22 11:05:04 1997 >From kflint Thu May 22 00:53:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wUSgW-0007OU-00; Thu, 22 May 1997 00:53:16 -0700 Message-Id: <17024.199705220750@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 08:50:15 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Re: Technique and Looping Resent-Message-ID: <"cn-TdD.A.vsG.Kr_gz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/7 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 00:53:16 -0700 X-UIDL: 508d058df9e607f11cc690ce4ca0b563 >Just hearing your own playing coming back immediately is a great education. >Somehow, when I'm playing I am able to imagine that it sounds pretty good, >and ignore some of the little mistakes. I can't ignore it when I listen to >it loop! It gives you instant feedback about the mistakes you didn't even >realize you were making. 90% of the time I use my JM as a practive aid, usually in 1-shot echo mode to record phrases and listen to them on the repeat. It's improved my playing immeasurably - when you're playing, you're usually too concerned with what the next note is to worry about how sloppy the last one was. michael PS Glad to have you back - I was worried I'd accidentally unsubbed last week (I posted around the time of the crash)! Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Fri May 23 02:10:08 1997 >From kflint Thu May 22 12:10:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wUdG5-0004JU-00; Thu, 22 May 1997 12:10:41 -0700 From: sarajane@tmbsbbs.com (Sarajane) Subject: various & sundry Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 16:23:28 GMT Message-Id: <970522130004160@tmbsbbs.com> Organization: The Malibu Bikini Shop BBS - 303.772.8549 - 28.8 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"-LBxwD.A.duD.RkJhz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/10 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 12:10:41 -0700 X-UIDL: 6a37bfec067f30870010f67a5cdfd156 Dear Cyclical Ones, I recently finished reading Charles Rosen's book titled "The Frontiers of Meaning- Three Informal Lectures on Music" Published by Hill & Wang circa 1994 (145 small pages). The following statement(back cover) seemed more "loop" oriented than I could avoid relating to this group. " Even more than literature and the visual arts, music can never be arrested by any system of analysis or interpretation, either formal or historical. It is natural to look outside or beyond the music, to find the ways in which it can temporarily and provisionally assume different kinds of signifigance. Nevertheless, music will not acknowledge a context greater than itself- social, cutural or biographical- to which it is convieniently subservient." Also wanted to mention for those who might be interested and not know already that Robert Fripp will be touring with the G3 tour this summer from the 17th of June thru the end of August across the U.S. contributing "soundscapes" to the program. Check your local listings for times and locals (In Colorado the word is it will be at Red Rocks...date to be announced). Loop On.... Bryan Helm From ???@??? Thu May 22 11:05:17 1997 >From kflint Thu May 22 09:11:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wUaS6-00015Y-00; Thu, 22 May 1997 09:10:54 -0700 From: Kevin Simonson Message-Id: <199705221557.AA123276677@eagle.uis.edu> Subject: Re: FS: Vortex $150 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 10:57:57 -0600 (CDT) In-Reply-To: from "Hartnett, Travis" at May 22, 97 10:40:00 am Content-Type: text Resent-Message-ID: <"NrBrZB.A.RP.p0Ghz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/9 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 09:10:54 -0700 X-UIDL: baff327ee6079b360357ce1a97c51cfd Hi Gang... Mr. Gates already has a buyer, but if it falls through, I'm on the list! > > Seller: Michael Gates, > E-mail: dtm@nwlink.com > Location: SEATTLE, WA > Post Date: 5/20/97 > > Later... -- Kevin Simonson * AS/400 Application Development Team University of Illinois-Springfield * Programmer / Analyst Computer Science, et al. * Norwest Mortgage, Inc. simonson@eagle.uis.edu * Springfield, IL From ???@??? Thu May 22 11:05:15 1997 >From kflint Thu May 22 08:44:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wUa2u-00077p-00; Thu, 22 May 1997 08:44:52 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 22 May 1997 10:40:00 -0700 From: "Hartnett, Travis" Subject: FS: Vortex $150 To: "Loopers Delight postings" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.0.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"qWCE3C.A.ZXG.ajGhz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 08:44:52 -0700 X-UIDL: 61a3802f40585428a148b4e360dc86d2 If anyone's looking for a Vortex, I found this on Harmony Central: FS: Lexicon Vortex digital processor $150 Asking Price: US$150 Condition: Mint Age: 1 year Description: $150 Lexicon Vortex digital processor It is in great condition, only used in my home studio. I have the manual. Buyer pays all shipping costs, UPS COD, unless you want to pay me up front (personal checks would have to clear before I ship). If interested send email to dtm@nwlink.com. Michael Gates dtm@nwlink.com Seller: Michael Gates, E-mail: dtm@nwlink.com Location: SEATTLE, WA Post Date: 5/20/97 From ???@??? Fri May 23 02:10:18 1997 >From kflint Thu May 22 20:54:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wUlQc-0002xS-00; Thu, 22 May 1997 20:54:06 -0700 Date: Fri, 23 May 97 03:44:53 UT From: "Pete Gilbert" Message-Id: To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Michigan Stick Trio CD Resent-Message-ID: <"ctNfMD.A.2iC.-ORhz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/11 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 20:54:06 -0700 X-UIDL: 73d61857a34cd60e0a0f9101673a6d37 resending this...... ---------- Sent: Thursday, May 15, 1997 08:55 To: 'Loopers Delight' Subject: Michigan Stick Trio CD The Michigan Stick Trio is proud to announce the availability of their first CD, General Chaos and Natural Order. The disc contains 13 tracks, five of which use looping. Two tracks (While Not Done and Seascape) are solo loops. Spring Thaw, Chunk ó Funk and Ripples use loops in combination with non-looped instrumentation. Technology Triumphs has a looped drone (which I am not really counting as a loop). The web page (http://edict.com/mst/) is not in place yet, but should be "real soon now" (it contains a link back to the Looper's Delight page when we talk about looping). You can order by phone from Oz's Music in Ann Arbor, MI (http://ic.net/~ozmusic) by calling this number 313 662 8283, as of Friday. If you are in the area, you can stop by either of the Oz's music stores. We may have another more generally available distribution channel available "real soon now". Or, you can email me, and we'll work something out. thanks for reading this far Pete Gilbert From ???@??? Sat May 24 10:15:09 1997 >From kflint Fri May 23 12:31:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wV03X-0001Es-00; Fri, 23 May 1997 12:31:15 -0700 Message-ID: <3385EF4D.41A0@interactive.net> Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 15:26:05 -0400 From: Jonathan Brainin Reply-To: jbrainin@interactive.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: FS: Eventide GTR4000 $2300 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1afZAD.A.L8.8-ehz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/13 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 12:31:15 -0700 X-UIDL: 7506019d72c44daa15fc669f99892494 robert@gmg.com wrote in article <5lub0s$pob@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>... > Price: $2300 > > Excellent condition with latest software, original box and manual > > Robert Heitkamp > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Posted through http://www.harmony-central.com > Comments/Complaints: webmaster@harmony-central.com > E-mail: dtm@nwlink.com > Location: SEATTLE, WA > Post Date: 5/20/97 From ???@??? Sat May 24 10:15:11 1997 >From kflint Fri May 23 12:34:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wV06Q-0001SS-00; Fri, 23 May 1997 12:34:14 -0700 Message-ID: <3385F006.7D7@interactive.net> Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 15:29:10 -0400 From: Jonathan Brainin Reply-To: jbrainin@interactive.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: stickwire-l@netcom.com Subject: FS Roland GP100 $400 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XIXyvC.A.nIB.wBfhz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/14 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 12:34:14 -0700 X-UIDL: 702c99dee3ec47806ea39929b3e553b4 dav@sgi.net wrote in article <5lrmjv$888@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>... > Price: $400 > > Features include > COSM amp simulator modeling > Preamp (JC-120-Fender Twin-Match-BG Lead-MS1959-Soldano Lead-5150-OD-Distortion-Fuzz) > Compressor > > Digital Delay-4 Taps Delay > Equalizer > Feedbacker > Flanger > Harmonist- 4 Voice Harmonist > and much more > Reverb
> Speaker Simulator - 12 different choices - mic settings adjustment
> > Dave King > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Posted through http://www.harmony-central.com > Comments/Complaints: webmaster@harmony-central.com > From ???@??? Sat May 24 10:15:05 1997 >From kflint Fri May 23 10:58:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wUybi-0003TM-00; Fri, 23 May 1997 10:58:26 -0700 Message-ID: Date: 23 May 1997 12:54:25 -0700 From: "Hartnett, Travis" Subject: FS: Lexicon Super Prime Time $550 To: "Loopers Delight postings" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP for Quarterdeck Mail; Version 4.0.0 Resent-Message-ID: <"ObxTpB.A.Q-C.cndhz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/12 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 10:58:27 -0700 X-UIDL: 9f1ca0f964e28fee0b870f5cacb59bf1 >From Harmony Central: FS: Lexicon Super Prime Time digital delay $550 Asking Price: US$550 Condition: Good Age: 10 years Description: $550 Lexicon Super Prime Time digital delay It is in great condition, only used in my home studio. It was recently upgraded by Lexicon. I have the manual. Buyer pays all shipping costs, UPS COD, unless you want to pay me up front (personal checks would have to clear before I ship). If interested send email to dtm@nwlink.com. Michael Gates dtm@nwlink.com Seller: Michael Gates, E-mail: dtm@nwlink.com Location: SEATTLE, WA Post Date: 5/20/97 From ???@??? Sun May 25 12:25:45 1997 >From kflint Sun May 25 11:58:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wViVB-0000Oh-00; Sun, 25 May 1997 11:58:45 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 11:52:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Loop artists Resent-Message-ID: <"zkq92B.A.MQ.etIiz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/15 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 11:58:45 -0700 X-UIDL: eea1e32f669ebde179eee90ec8c70da8 This guy sent this too me. Maybe some of your would be interested: >>From kflint Thu May 22 07:50:12 1997 >X-Originating-IP: [206.150.245.22] >From: "tony washburn" >To: kflint@annihilist.com >Subject: Loop artists >Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 07:49:08 PDT > >Here's someone I think you guys should know about. The artist is called >Nocturnal Emissions. They (Nigel Ayers, Charollet Bill) have been working >since >the mid to late 80's. The early work was more noise and beat oriented, but >now >their work is mostly loops. Completly UNBELIEVABLE stuff they are doing!!! >The >best bets for you to check out are, Invocation of the Beast Gods, Cathedral, >Blasphemous Rumors, and Friction and Dirt. > >These guys really know what they are doing. NE inspired me to start >working in >loop/noise underground. Check 'em out!!! > > >Thanks, > >Anthony Washburn > >IMPLICITORDER@HOTMAIL.COM > > >PS > >I want to add myself to your list. I have 4 cassettes out by myself, and 3 >collaborations with others.... how do I do that??? > > >--------------------------------------------------------- >Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >--------------------------------------------------------- > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun May 25 21:09:14 1997 >From kflint Sun May 25 14:02:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wVkQm-0003U8-00; Sun, 25 May 1997 14:02:20 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 13:56:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Loop Composition (was Re: Ravel as a looper) Resent-Message-ID: <"Tjz_3B.A.yJD.ghKiz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/16 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 14:02:20 -0700 X-UIDL: b6c3d4c7c43c1c699c9d06516bf242a8 Hayden wrote: >I agree about the importance of this thread eventhough I am a tech culprit >myself with the VG-8 thread... I'm sorry this thread got snuffed out by our server troubles, anyway.... What I find interesting musically, is the idea of exploring some particular musical genre, extracting some important/unique/fundamental concepts, and reapplying them in another genre where they are not so expected. Western Classical may not very loop oriented, yet it is certainly ripe with well developed compostitional techniques. So the question, a personal one really, is how do these ideas apply in our own music? Where do they lead us that we might not have gone on our own? >Ramblings 1: >It seems that the modernist movement, which is entrenched in the academic >setting, which is where classical music resides in the US, feels rather >strongly against being obvious in your compositional process. Consequently >direct repetition is almost always frowned upon by Modernist music theory >and composition professors. All of my composition and theory professors >have always stressed the theme and developement concept of music >composition (basically a Beethoven mindset). This means that you never >state the same thing twice but always changing melodically, rhythmically, >harmonically etc. There are other ways of composing but this is the so >called "classical way". Constant change can be obvious in it's own way. In this case, might a way of not being obvious be to do exactly what is not expected, and repeat yourself? Perhaps this is an opportunity to apply techniques we develop in looping back into the "classical way." >Ramblings 2: > >A passacaglia or a ground could also be a type of composition possible with >looping. Create a melody that loops, then create a different context for >the melody each time it comes around. Or create a chord or harmonic >progression that loops and create melodies and counter lines as the >progression loops. Now here is an interesting idea. Often people use loops to supply the context for other musical ideas occuring on top. What if we reverse that, as you suggest? The loop is in the forefront, while the context is performed and steadily altered. We can even improvise context in this way, to change the mood created by our looping melody/rhythm as we feel it ourselves..... >Ostinatos are another repetitive technique used by classical composers >although people in the real world call 'em grooves. James Brown taught me the basics of ostinato.....Bootsy, Mr. Clinton, and Prince filled in all the details.....:-) >Ramblings 3: >For me, trying to perform live looped music on electric guitar is a bit >different than composing a "classical" piece for an ensemble of acoustical >instruments. Since we are very reliant on technology to help us create our >works we have to make compositional or improvisational descisions that work >within the functions of the technology.(a form of algorithmic >composition??) Orchestra is also reliant on technology. A violin is a remarkable technical accomplishment, a piano even more so. It's just that the engineering occurred long enough ago that we don't see it as such. All composers/improvisers make decisions based on the limits of their available technology, unless they compose entirely for voice. And even that is a sort of technology.... Don't limit yourself or lessen your musical approaches in this way! > >In my opinion, classical compositional techniques are rooted in the >germanic concept of theme and development and they would be really >difficult (but not impossible) to pull off in a live looped context. >Trying to change something melodically or rhythmically that has already >been recorded in a delay unit or phrase sampler is almost impossible. Oh really? Perhaps it is merely a question of learning to use our tools in a deeper way? Most of the more sophisticated loop devices offer ways to alter and develop loops. Understand the possibilities of the tools and develop the musical techniques to take advantage of them! > You >could use the tape loop techniques(reverse, speed change,signal processing) >but that is about it. Not much room for theme and development in the >"classical way". Again, seek the possibilities before defining the limits. There are many opportunites for theme and development in looping. >I think that the 60's minimalist process is more in tune >with live looping than the "classical" theme and development way. (I guess >that is why live looping more or less comes from that music) For some this is true, but it is also a sort of limitation. If we extract ideas from distant genres and reapply them in our own familiar territory, they become fresh and innovative. All different musics have their own fundamental concepts defining their uniqueness. Don't fall into the trap as seeing looping as a continued development of the old minimalist scene. Many people come to looping without ever having heard of Phillip Glass or Steve Reich or even Robert Fripp. (Like me, actually) Lot's of paths lead here. It could be Chet Atkins or Trent Reznor or Les Paul or the Orb or Gamelan or Run-DMC or an interesting way to develop the repetitive speed metal rhythms of the 80's into the industrial music of the 90's or who knows what. They have all discovered and developed techniques for looping and repetition that may fit brilliantly in a new context. Explore outside of your familiar world, bring new things home..... >I would like to hear how other loopers create a sense of form, growth and >change in their music by using repetition. > >-Do you plan your music in advance or is it always spontaineous? I prefer improvisation. I like to have lots of control and a deep understanding of my instruments, so I can make them do exactly what I want at the moment I think of it. It is really just an extension of where I was 10 years ago as a guitarist, where I just wanted to be able to play so well that anything I thought of could be done with no preparation. I sure hope I reach that goal some day! > >-What do you consider to be the your most effective compositional >technique(s) when creating live looped music that relies on technology to >produce the loops? >(how about gear independant comments on this one) - Feedback control, to allow old things to disappear while new things emerge. - development of a melody/theme/rhythm by adding pieces over multiple repetitions of the loop, so that the full idea takes a while to come completely out. - removing elements from a theme on each pass of the loop, to break the idea down. - Having several similar, yet slightly different loops available to switch between and develop independently. - Corruptive changes to the loop, where on each pass something is done to damage and mar what was there before, in a somewhat unpredictable way. My favorite is to use replace functions where I replace a very small bit of the loop with something different (or nothing, silence is good). The result is strange rhythmic and melodic ideas that I would not have thought of and certainaly can't play. - Extending and reducing loop times in uneven ways, to change the rhythm and phrasing of the loop. - Looping longer or shorter amounts of another looping element, so that they play against each other in an interesting way. (a great way to make a drum machine sound very creative) - looping raw sounds and putting the processing afterwards, so that processing can be altered in real time. - loops of a loop, with a mix or crossfade knob to move between the two. The second loop gets altered while the first remains the same. - and of course, Reverse is Fun. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun May 25 21:09:19 1997 >From kflint Sun May 25 16:36:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wVmpb-0007EF-00; Sun, 25 May 1997 16:36:07 -0700 Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 16:32:56 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: Loop Composition (was Re: Ravel as a looper) Resent-Message-ID: <"7owBCD.A.EsG.zxMiz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/17 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 16:36:07 -0700 X-UIDL: 29799a39cf5eb62f6353e7611b594373 Great post Kim... One thing...when are we going to realize that the hardware IS the software...that's why you have to be so careful about adding new hardware. You can't separate the technology from the music. There's a classical Harp player in town who wants to play with us and bring her angelic thing to looping...talking to her it turns out that she has pedals that can only "sharp up." She can't flat a string down. Fascinating, eh? Best, The LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Mon May 26 11:54:02 1997 >From kflint Mon May 26 02:42:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wVwIk-0006fV-00; Mon, 26 May 1997 02:42:50 -0700 Message-Id: <28750.199705260940@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 10:40:38 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: VG8 Resent-Message-ID: <"XCEKaD.A.PLG.iqViz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/18 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 02:42:50 -0700 X-UIDL: 9982df8a550137634863ea11e868f3c3 Slightly off-subject, but... Can any of you VG8ers tell me if it's possible to simulate guitar-amp feedback using the VG8? I notice there's a feedback FX built-in, but how effective is it? Is this why so many VG8ers run them from Sustainer-equipped guitars? The chances of me getting a VG8 are virtually (!) zero, but I've had to sell my amp since moving to a modern (read: lousy-sound-insulated) flat (the Gibson L-9 was too loud at the best of times....), and I'm going crazy just playing my electric acoustically. This way, at least I can dream.... Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Mon May 26 11:54:03 1997 >From kflint Mon May 26 02:51:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wVwQw-0006uQ-00; Mon, 26 May 1997 02:51:18 -0700 Message-Id: <28833.199705260949@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 10:49:37 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Bob's amazing Lex Enhancement Resent-Message-ID: <"BL--4B.A.FaG.7yViz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 02:51:18 -0700 X-UIDL: 3cd5ace8a6306b18df3fd6b07511db4f Just my tuppence worth: Bob, you mentioned that you were considering using a PC program to run the JM enhancement. Will it be possible to run it without a PC, purely by MIDI? I don't have a PC and wouldn't really want to gig with one. Of course, this is jus one voice in the marketplace, so feel free to ignore it. I was just wondering; since most of the best JM features are already only accessible to MIDI, there's no real change in design philosophy. (Of yourse, if I could run it from a 386 I would probably end up buying one...) Michael PS to kim and co: Re Kim's bad mood about the ingratitude of EDP enhancement waitees - I'm _sure_ none of the design team ever so much as hinted that it was you that was writing the v2 software. You always talked about it in 3rd-person terms, ie "Oberheim are developing..." rather than "Matthias and I are developing....". If you will keep secrets from us... :) Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Mon May 26 11:54:25 1997 >From kflint Mon May 26 04:14:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wVxja-0000Yb-00; Mon, 26 May 1997 04:14:38 -0700 Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 07:12:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <970526071203_520473126@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: VG8 Resent-Message-ID: <"q3gTW.A.8c.HBXiz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 04:14:39 -0700 X-UIDL: 756d0e676eaf137852f10e7b939ddc33 In a message dated 5/26/97 10:42:39 AM, Michael wrote: <> You may be relieved to hear that a Feedbacker is NOT on the feature list of the V; but the much less expensive GT-5 and GP-100 both include one (I don't the even cheaper GX-700 does), along with excellent preamp, amp and speaker models for use with regular pickups. It's a trick, of course, and won't satisfy like the real thing, but may be musically useful once you figure it out. I'm in a mostly-headphones environment myself, and would get one of the new COSM-equipped Rolands or Bosses in a heartbeat, if I didn't already have a VG (and a Mesa Boogie preamp/Ampulator/multifx rack, both of which, with the recent addition of a Lovetone Brown Source overdrive pedal, provides a superior, if feedback-challenged, headphone/recording experience). David From ???@??? Mon May 26 11:54:27 1997 >From kflint Mon May 26 11:27:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wW4UJ-0003aN-00; Mon, 26 May 1997 11:27:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: VG8 Message-ID: <19970526.122201.7222.1.zenchi@juno.com> References: <28750.199705260940@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Juno 1.15 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-10,12,14,16,18-22 From: zenchi@juno.com (Robert L Williams) Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 14:24:10 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"YQZPcC.A.BMD.vVdiz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/21 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 11:27:19 -0700 X-UIDL: d6f3ecc90b7c064d586d0e029bb97b7d On Mon, 26 May 1997 10:40:38 +0100 pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) writes: >Can any of you VG8ers tell me if it's possible to simulate guitar-amp >feedback using the VG8? I notice there's a feedback FX built-in, but >how effective is it? Is this why so many VG8ers run them from >Sustainer-equipped guitars? > Nope. The SDF pedal, SE-70 and I think the new COSM pre-amps have simulated feedback FX. The problem with them is they're mono (no chords) and have built in LFO's (your vibrato is meaningless). I have no experience with Sustainer or Sustainiac equipped guitars, but my guess is that players are using them for more than just amp type feedback. I played my first live show with the VG-8 last week, and got good feedback results using the monitor. Robert Williams DERISION From ???@??? Mon May 26 16:40:25 1997 >From kflint Mon May 26 12:33:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wW5Vu-0005pi-00; Mon, 26 May 1997 12:33:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: VG8 Message-ID: <19970526.132740.3974.1.zenchi@juno.com> References: <28750.199705260940@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Juno 1.15 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-9,11,13,15-21 From: zenchi@juno.com (Robert L Williams) Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 15:30:18 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"3CtVvC.A.5VF.5Teiz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 12:33:02 -0700 X-UIDL: 65cd59f63d2447a58498020eb040a84f On Mon, 26 May 1997 10:40:38 +0100 pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) writes: >Can any of you VG8ers tell me if it's possible to simulate guitar-amp >feedback using the VG8? I notice there's a feedback FX built-in, but >how effective is it? Is this why so many VG8ers run them from >Sustainer-equipped guitars? The SDF pedal, the SE-70 and one of the COSM pre-amps have a feedback effect, but not the VG-8. The problem I have with this effect is that it's mono (no chords) and there's a built in LFO (simulated preset vibrato). I don't have a Sustainer or Sustainiac in my guitar, but my guess is the players who do use them for more than amp feedback (I would). I played my first show with the VG-8 last week, and got feedback from my monitor that was controllable and beautiful. Robert Williams DERISION From ???@??? Mon May 26 18:00:23 1997 >From kflint Mon May 26 16:54:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wW9b2-0006Q3-00; Mon, 26 May 1997 16:54:36 -0700 From: Paolo Valladolid Message-Id: <199705262352.QAA01924@waynesworld.ucsd.edu> Subject: Re: VG8 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 16:52:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <28750.199705260940@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> from "Dr M. P. Hughes" at May 26, 97 10:40:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-K99U.A.a5F.HJiiz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/23 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 16:54:36 -0700 X-UIDL: 45432840d02b4b8c6e7bb2a9fb483e10 > effective is it? Is this why so many VG8ers run them from > Sustainer-equipped guitars? It might be to get even more horn-like or violin-like sustain. The Sustainer makers (sorry, forgot the company name) include in their product a momentary button where the driver only works as long as you hold down the button; as well as another button that switches on the driver until you turn it off. I just got the promotional material in the mail but I left it at home. Paolo Valladolid --------------------------------------------------------------- |Moderator of Digital Guitar Digest, an Internet mailing list |\ |for Music Technology and Stringed Instruments | \ ---------------------------------------------------------------- | \ finger pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu for more info \ | \ http://waynesworld.ucsd.edu/DigitalGuitar/home.html \| ----------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Tue May 27 10:02:20 1997 >From kflint Mon May 26 22:21:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wWEgx-0002Ad-00; Mon, 26 May 1997 22:21:03 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199705080642.XAA12174@mailtod-2.alma.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 22:14:20 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: feedback differences Resent-Message-ID: <"FAqGWD.A.k6B.w6miz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/24 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 22:21:03 -0700 X-UIDL: cb7d9630c24fe7d9371e26103c180694 This sort of caught my attention a while back, and I only just got around to asking about it: At 11:42 PM -0700 5/7/97, Carlos Carrillo wrote: >I hope to be able to apply some of these ideas of constant evolution to >my looped compositions. I have some of the tools mentioned in this >mailing list (Jam-man, >Echoplex DP, Vortex, Boomerang) and even though I have discovered that >each has its own endearing qualities. I find myself preferring the way >looping is implemented in the Vortex and Boomerang. I like the way >volume (Vortex) and dynamic replacement (added material gradually lowers >the volume of previous material in the Boomerang) affect the way a loop >varies over time. > >Lowering the feedback control or using a pedal to alter feedback does >not have the same effect. I hope to see something like >this implemented in the Rom of the higher-end units as a user option for >the future. > >Carlos R. Carrillo I guess I don't understand why you can't get that same effect with both the jamman and the echoplex. With the echoplex, turning the feedback down while overdubbing does exactly what you are describing. As far as I know, the jamman does that too (although with less resolution on the feedback control). The old stuff dies away while the new stuff comes into the loop. That's almost the whole point of having feedback control! Is there something you want to do that I'm missing? There are lots of ways to approach feedback control, maybe I could show you a technique that will do what you want? You might not need anything special added to the rom, it might be there already! let me know if I can help, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Tue May 27 20:52:17 1997 >From kflint Tue May 27 11:33:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wWR4D-0006IN-00; Tue, 27 May 1997 11:33:53 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970526225545.006a0448@mail.spiritone.com> X-Sender: skhtmt@mail.spiritone.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 22:55:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: "Fra. Doubt-Goat" Subject: Amps & Apartments (was Re: VG8) In-Reply-To: <28750.199705260940@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"Z8FZZ.A.5cF.Teyiz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/26 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 11:33:53 -0700 X-UIDL: c0293b6e7978a25f78430a66a9285b36 At 10:40 AM 5/26/97 +0100, you wrote: (snip) >The chances of me getting a VG8 are virtually (!) zero, but I've had to >sell my amp since moving to a modern (read: lousy-sound-insulated) flat >(the Gibson L-9 was too loud at the best of times....), and I'm going crazy >just playing my electric acoustically. This way, at least I can dream.... > >Michael Apt living sucks. But, if you must play through headphones, get a good amp simulator (I use the SansAmp PSA-1). Another option is to mike the amp in an acoustically isolated space (suspended in a closet stuffed with sound absorbing foam.) DON'T SELL YOUR GEAR, ONLY UPGRADE!!!! Fra. DOubt-Goat From ???@??? Thu May 29 09:42:55 1997 >From kflint Thu May 29 06:59:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wX5kA-0001Z3-00; Thu, 29 May 1997 06:59:54 -0700 Message-Id: <9705271348.AA17932@beryllium.lexicon.com> Priority: urgent Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 10:36:00 -0400 From: "Sellon, Bob" Subject: RE: Bob's amazing Lex Enhancement To: Loopers-Delight X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Resent-Message-ID: <"3MWEYC.A.kUB.AtYjz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/43 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 06:59:54 -0700 X-UIDL: aa5ee2e864691347f13375d0d8fdc57f Michael wrote: >Bob, you mentioned that you were considering using a PC program to run the >JM enhancement. Will it be possible to run it without a PC, purely by >MIDI? I don't have a PC and wouldn't really want to gig with one. Of >course, this is jus one voice in the marketplace, so feel free to ignore >it. I was just wondering; since most of the best JM features are already >only accessible to MIDI, there's no real change in design philosophy. (Of >course, if I could run it from a 386 I would probably end up buying one...) Michael, I do bring a PC with me to some gigs (a laptop) but this really wasn't my only intention for the glass interface. Other uses I have been thinking about are: 1. Configuration of the system for live gigs. On of the things I have been getting frustrated about with all of these rack mount systems is the limited user interface. With the lousy interface on the JamMan, its hard to set up certain features that the system is otherwise capable of doing (noise gate, compression, etc...). One of the things I was considering was making the footswitches and "Mode" encoder (the right hand one) programmable so you could select what you want them to do. Another this is setting up mixes with the parallel loops (pan, level). 2. Another use for a glass interface is "On-line help". The basic idea is to have a soft version of the users manual that pulls up the appropriate page of the manual as you use the system. Or, an interactive manual that sends commands to the JamMan and perhaps contains audio samples that play back through a sound card to demonstrate the system. The possibilities are frightening. Though some of the configuration stuff could be done with something other than a glass interface, I suspect that it would be extremely time consuming (not impossible, just a pain in the ass). I'll definitely keep your situation in mind, however. By the way thanks for feedback on the glass interface folks. I sort of suspected that the Mac may have been the most common system in use. One of the options I am exploring is the use of Java to perhaps make the tool(s) platform independent. I'll keep you posted. Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec From ???@??? Tue May 27 10:02:24 1997 >From kflint Tue May 27 08:09:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wWNru-0001ts-00; Tue, 27 May 1997 08:08:58 -0700 From: Kevin Simonson Message-Id: <199705271505.AA074055517@eagle.uis.edu> Subject: Minneapolis info... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 10:05:17 -0600 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <970414012024_-2071246693@emout18.mail.aol.com> from "Dpcoffin@aol.com" at Apr 14, 97 01:27:26 am Content-Type: text Resent-Message-ID: <"-3kCGD.A.2jB.Shviz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/25 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 08:08:58 -0700 X-UIDL: 988dd2b4a5bda5282bcb072aea7e1744 Hello Loopers... I will be in the Minneapolis/St.Paul vicinity, smack in the center of downtown Mpls for work. Any suggestions regarding cool equipment and/or music stores OR places to see interesting performances would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -- Kevin Simonson * AS/400 Application Development Team University of Illinois-Springfield * Programmer / Analyst Computer Science, et al. * Norwest Mortgage, Inc. simonson@eagle.uis.edu * Springfield, IL From ???@??? Tue May 27 20:52:19 1997 >From kflint Tue May 27 12:19:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wWRmN-0001aB-00; Tue, 27 May 1997 12:19:31 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 12:13:06 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Oberheim Navigator Resent-Message-ID: <"C_chm.A.rHB.IKziz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/27 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 12:19:31 -0700 X-UIDL: 381293f3f231c069996b3126030542a1 Hi Kim and company: Anybody out there familiar with the Oberhiem Navigator. It's a midi control device and we're thinking about it as a way of controlling midi and feedback intsructions on both the Echoplex and Jammen...you can hook it up to a footpedal we are told. Any insights would be appreciated. Best, LoOpDoctOrs From ???@??? Tue May 27 20:52:25 1997 >From kflint Tue May 27 12:43:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wWS9h-00033L-00; Tue, 27 May 1997 12:43:37 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970527194746.00a5a68c@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 12:47:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Oberheim Navigator Resent-Message-ID: <"jQgpGB.A.rlC.Biziz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/28 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 12:43:37 -0700 X-UIDL: 0550dae21bb6852fd9e2263d6384ced3 never heard of that one, sorry! Is it something old? Are you sure it's Oberheim? kim At 12:13 PM 5/27/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Kim and company: > >Anybody out there familiar with the Oberhiem Navigator. It's a midi >control device and we're thinking about it as a way of controlling midi and >feedback intsructions on both the Echoplex and Jammen...you can hook it up >to a footpedal we are told. > >Any insights would be appreciated. > >Best, >LoOpDoctOrs > > > > > ________________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 Mpact System Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research http://www.chromatic.com From ???@??? Tue May 27 20:52:44 1997 >From kflint Tue May 27 19:01:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wWY2q-0004w8-00; Tue, 27 May 1997 19:00:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199705280156.SAA11823@mailtod-2.alma.webtv.net> From: inti@webtv.net (Carlos Carrillo) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 18:56:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: feedback differences Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"Sg0k7B.A.7UE.PD5iz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/29 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 19:00:56 -0700 X-UIDL: d72d22d717617f1ea8818c41ebb0ab8b I like the way dynamics affect feedback in the Vortex. When I play loudly the older material is completely replaced, but if I play softly it is simply layered on top of the older material. This is very convenient and intuitive since it allows me to make much more spontaneous compositional decisions without having to fiddle with an expresion pedal. I usually play standing up, and as you can imagine, am not able to use more than one foot-pedal at a time. (Sometimes I wish I could grow a couple of extra feet just for this purpose ;) Having control over feedback with a pedal is fabulous, but being able to control it through your playing (dynamics) is equally delicious. Simplicity. Carlos R. Carrillo From ???@??? Tue May 27 20:52:45 1997 >From kflint Tue May 27 19:09:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wWYAV-0005WG-00; Tue, 27 May 1997 19:08:51 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 22:02:19 -0400 (EDT) From: KelRey@aol.com Message-ID: <970527220200_485957172@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Minneapolis info... Resent-Message-ID: <"shJGG.A.P0E.wJ5iz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/30 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 19:08:51 -0700 X-UIDL: 10abaf5d777662e226285494d23fcea5 Hope you enjoy your MPLS trip Torps music in ST. Paul is great. there Is also American Pro Audio, High end stuff alway nice to see and get. There is a Guitar Center here and Rodger Dodger Music Store. Each place has its own spin. Lots of great equipment to try. Kelly From ???@??? Tue May 27 20:52:46 1997 >From kflint Tue May 27 19:14:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wWYFq-0005w0-00; Tue, 27 May 1997 19:14:22 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 22:09:29 -0400 (EDT) From: KelRey@aol.com Message-ID: <970527220719_1822541881@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Oberheim Navigator Resent-Message-ID: <"vxyY0D.A.wTF.kQ5iz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/31 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 19:14:22 -0700 X-UIDL: 33f9a869babc458ec6a894751b775e28 I have heard and seen the Oberheim Navigator, It was quite sometime ago but I believe it was a midi controller in a square box much like the Oberheim strummer, I havent seen either for a long time. Kelly From ???@??? Wed May 28 01:12:12 1997 >From kflint Tue May 27 22:03:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wWat9-0001HE-00; Tue, 27 May 1997 22:03:07 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 00:58:49 -0400 (EDT) From: BobbyZZZ@aol.com Message-ID: <970528005849_316667317@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: anyone using the alesis Q2 for looping? Resent-Message-ID: <"mU4lfC.A.J-.Gv7iz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/32 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 22:03:07 -0700 X-UIDL: 7d772bb5f64128d3df1a2ebbb1da3e99 please email me if you are, i'd like to ask some questions, thanks!!! bobby d/lvx nova From ???@??? Wed May 28 01:12:13 1997 >From kflint Tue May 27 22:12:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wWb2g-0001y6-00; Tue, 27 May 1997 22:12:58 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199705280156.SAA11823@mailtod-2.alma.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 22:05:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: feedback differences Resent-Message-ID: <"oO6xd.A.tnB.m47iz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/33 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 22:12:58 -0700 X-UIDL: cb33051c9a2a0d7a9c5cd7ed489f1d87 > I like the way dynamics affect feedback in the Vortex. When I >play loudly the older material is completely replaced, but if I play >softly it is simply layered on top of the older material. This is very >convenient and intuitive since it allows me to make much more >spontaneous compositional decisions without having to fiddle with an >expresion pedal. Ah yes, I see. I guess before I thought you were talking about the boomerang's feedback control, when you were actually talking about the vortex. Seems like a pretty interesting effect, feedback modulated by input level. In general, that sort of parameter modulation is something that is little explored in effects boxes. Having some aspect of the effected output controlled by some aspect of the input really opens up a lot of possibilities. It would make flat effects much more musically interesting, in my opinion. Using level like the vortex is only one way, and a pretty simple one. At g-wiz, we were working on the idea of timbral modulation, where some aspect of the way a note sounded was used as a control input. An example might be a sax player overblowing a note a little bit and using the resulting degree to which the note's harmonic content changes to add more flanging or something. Or to use the difference in sound between plucking a nylon string guitar with the fleshy part of your thumb and plucking it with your nail to control the high frequency damping in a reverb patch. This sort of control turns out to be quite natural, because musicians already use all of these techniques to control the way "normal" notes sound on their instrument. It's an area of expressive possibilities that hasn't made it to your garden variety effects device. Mostly because it's really, really hard to do! > I usually play standing up, and as you can imagine, am not able to use >more than one foot-pedal at a time. (Sometimes I wish I could grow a >couple of extra feet just for this purpose ;) don't we all! I guess one advantage of looping is you can record something first, and then twiddle knobs as the loop repeats! Every year at NAMM there is at least one company with some variation on attaching light sensors to something so that other motions can be used for parameter control. Maybe you could try that? My favorite remains the headstock wah-wah, where the wah sound opens and closes as you move the guitar neck up and down. Perfect for the 70's era stadium-rocker moves! For some reason these companies are never there the next year....ideas whose time has not quite arrived perhaps.... Don Buchla is the champ for optically controlled instruments. His Lightning is pretty amazing. I hear he's working with E-mu now on some sort of optically sensed drum pad, which will probably make the korg wavedrum look like a toy..... > >Having control over feedback with a pedal is fabulous, but being able to >control it through your playing (dynamics) is equally delicious. >Simplicity. Unless you want to add loud notes with the feedback up..... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu May 29 00:16:40 1997 >From kflint Wed May 28 12:00:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wWnxC-0000kC-00; Wed, 28 May 1997 12:00:10 -0700 Message-ID: From: David Kirkdorffer To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Loopy in Cambridge, MA -- Fri 30th May -- James Coleman & UNDO Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 14:54:04 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_mTpqC.A.3F.O6Hjz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/34 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 12:00:10 -0700 X-UIDL: 7fc42148fc9bc0ab1f0d32b615647894 ..........Hello -- and please excuse this electronic disturbance of your e-mail systems........ Tone-Drone Productions wants you to know about a loopy, and possibly, intoxicating event -- featuring two of Boston's looping few: 1) James Coleman -- aka in the Boston as "That Theremin Guy" and 2) UNDO -- a kind of unthing. Details follow... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Film & Music at Carberry's 74 Prospect St. Central Square, Cambridge, MA 617- 576-3530 Date -- Friday 30st May (rain date Saturday 31st) 8:00 pm Film -- The Day the Earth Stood Still Klaatu barada nikto! A mysterious and dignified alien arrives bearing an antinuclear message for the inhabitants of Earth, and learns that his peaceful views are not shared by all. If you've never seen this four-star landmark science fiction classic with its moody Bernard Herrmann score before, it is an absolute must-see. Music -- Following the movie -- Ambient Soundscapes from two of Boston's ambient-est: 1) James Coleman -- demonstrating elements of the soundscore on theremin 2) UNDO -- doing its undoingmost. Rumour has it James and UNDO will do a duet, or would that be doing an UNDO-et?? Bring your awareness however you will. David Kirkdorffer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ......and now back to your regularly scheduled programming From ???@??? Thu May 29 00:17:26 1997 >From kflint Wed May 28 21:01:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wWwP4-0005pT-00; Wed, 28 May 1997 21:01:30 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 21:48:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Reversing Jam Mod Resent-Message-ID: <"yBdMiB.A.rGF.r4Pjz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/37 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 21:01:30 -0700 X-UIDL: aef6530d9b2fe35e8b866f1d593b478e Bob, Would it be possible to add to your list of mods a function that would allow you to record a loop, play it backwards, record over the backward section, and continue to flip flop these overlays? Could get chaotic, but it may get very cool..... Thanks for all your thought and effort in this. Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Thu May 29 00:17:01 1997 >From kflint Wed May 28 14:57:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wWqix-0005SI-00; Wed, 28 May 1997 14:57:39 -0700 Message-ID: <338CA87A.2A76@nyfac.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 17:49:46 -0400 From: nyfac X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Sustainiacs References: <28750.199705260940@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> <19970526.132740.3974.1.zenchi@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"-tQR1D.A.9gE.JhKjz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/35 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 14:57:39 -0700 X-UIDL: 4d12719b41d7345a4c7e94982b9ff31d Any of you out there have the chance to mod the Sustainiac gadget to word with non-strat guitars? I own too many guitars, and not one of them is a strat. That last thing I need is another guitar to haul around. I am thinking in particular of an Ibanez Talman- while the thought of routing out enormous cavities in my '63 Jaguar is tempting :) I think I will be able to ignore those urges. Trevor From ???@??? Thu May 29 00:17:25 1997 >From kflint Wed May 28 18:15:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wWtoI-0003FE-00; Wed, 28 May 1997 18:15:22 -0700 Message-ID: <338CD806.585D@bgnet.bgsu.edu> Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 21:12:38 -0400 From: Jeff Schwartz X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Ordering JamMan memory References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"tYc9pD.A.NxC.ieNjz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/36 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 18:15:22 -0700 X-UIDL: 7757ab1a1497ec4c941b776052947894 I was looking at the JamMan stuff on the Looper's home page and I was wondering if anyone has ordered JamMan memory from www.visionsoft.com. If so, exactly which chips did you get? They seem to have several that will do the job (accoding to Greg Hogan's info on the JM memory page) for extremely cheap ($9.95 each!) but I am not sure exactly what's what with chips and wanted to check with the vast assembled wisdom of the list... -- Jeff Schwartz jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html From ???@??? Thu May 29 01:10:39 1997 >From kflint Thu May 29 00:38:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wWzn2-0002T5-00; Thu, 29 May 1997 00:38:28 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 00:32:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Reversing Jam Mod Resent-Message-ID: <"BswWYD.A.5KC.vHTjz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/38 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 00:38:28 -0700 X-UIDL: 0568642eb064c37569271c77e070a775 Yes, I'd highly recommend that one. It's a favorite effect of mine.... kim >Bob, > >Would it be possible to add to your list of mods a function that would >allow you to record a loop, play it backwards, record over the backward >section, and continue to flip flop these overlays? Could get chaotic, but >it may get very cool..... > >Thanks for all your thought and effort in this. > >Patrick > > > *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~patrick/FNGP.html *** ** > > ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu May 29 01:10:40 1997 >From kflint Thu May 29 00:51:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wWzzw-0003BU-00; Thu, 29 May 1997 00:51:48 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <338CA87A.2A76@nyfac.com> References: <28750.199705260940@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> <19970526.132740.3974.1.zenchi@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 00:45:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Sustainiacs Resent-Message-ID: <"Go37iC.A.x0C.HUTjz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/39 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 00:51:48 -0700 X-UIDL: c38a9b306319c65d798ca12c3a6a7940 >Any of you out there have the chance to mod the Sustainiac gadget to >word with non-strat guitars? I own too many guitars, and not one of >them is a strat. That last thing I need is another guitar to haul >around. I don't know about the sustainiac. I've seen the Fernandes Sustainer mounted in other guitars though. Neal Schon has a whole bunch of PRS guitars with it (and GK-2's) built in. The hard parts are getting the pickup sent to you from Japan, and finding someone who can competently install it. It has to be placed in a precise location in relation to the other pickup or it doesn't work right. I think Gary Brawer in SF did Neal's guitars. Lorenzo at Klein guitars told me that he installed a sustainer in a klein and it was a big pain. I guess it worked though. He successfully talked me out of doing that to my Klein guitar. (which I just finally got a couple of weeks ago, and which I can confidently say is the most beautiful and simply the best guitar I've ever played, totally worth every cent) >I am thinking in particular of an Ibanez Talman- while the thought of >routing out enormous cavities in my '63 Jaguar is tempting :) I think I >will be able to ignore those urges. I'd put it in a cheap guitar. I actually bought a cheap fernandes just to get the sustainer.... I don't know anything about the new sustainiac thing yet. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu May 29 09:42:50 1997 >From kflint Thu May 29 01:31:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wX0cP-0005IE-00; Thu, 29 May 1997 01:31:33 -0700 Message-Id: <4538.199705290829@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 09:29:31 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Q2 Resent-Message-ID: <"1JJ0aC.A.C2E.15Tjz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/40 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 01:31:33 -0700 X-UIDL: 9733f485c0514e21fe0e9322f931099c A bunch of people around here have been talking about the Alesis Q2 for looping. On al _slightly_ related note, how is is for distortion presets? Ob. loop content - did anyone find out if the Q2's memory is expandable beyond five seconds? Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Thu May 29 09:42:52 1997 >From kflint Thu May 29 02:05:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wX19K-0007Cm-00; Thu, 29 May 1997 02:05:34 -0700 Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 11:02:12 +0200 (MET DST) From: Olivier Malhomme To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sustain In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: "GIS INFOBIOGEN, 7 rue Guy Moquet BP8, 94801 VILLEJUIF, France" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"KYJy0.A._jG.gYUjz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/41 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 02:05:35 -0700 X-UIDL: a00566cfb61343816b145cd20398c344 Although I use myself a lot a my fernandes with the VG-8, because of the sustainer, let us not forget the E-bow. It still provides incredibly controlable sustain (between other things). Of course it is monophonic, but, most "feedback aamp" are mono harmonics. Now as far as sustainers are concerned, it is clear that I don't only use the thing to provide wistling harmonics for dive bombing or whatever. The use of a raising octave insides clean chords or a raising 5th (in fact, the 17th) is extremely effective. The effect is fully contrlable too (even not as much as an "E-bowed" note). And then there is this new sustainiac coming... Which seems to offer mostly the best of both worlds, according to the notice I got from them... Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Thu May 29 09:42:53 1997 >From kflint Thu May 29 04:50:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wX3ib-0004TA-00; Thu, 29 May 1997 04:50:09 -0700 Date: 29 May 97 07:46:25 EDT From: Jon Durant <74074.1316@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar Message-ID: <970529114625_74074.1316_GHP77-2@CompuServe.COM> Resent-Message-ID: <"SStwJC.A.SGE.I0Wjz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/42 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 04:50:09 -0700 X-UIDL: b332f15f0c47c13dbaca769dff53a2f3 Hey Kim, you got a Klein???? Way to go. Just got mine as well. My brother Kingsley and I will be playing at their booth at NAMM--should be a gas. Especially since we haven't really played together for more than about an hour in, oh, 12 years or so... Any guitarists out there in loop land owe it to themselves to check out these guitars. I know they look odd and cost a bunch o' money, but I have to tell you that I've never played anything that felt and sounded so good. It's literally changed my life: where previously I'd pick up the guitar once every few days to play because I needed to practice, I now pick it every time I'm waiting for a large document to print, or when I know I'm going to be on a long phone call--just to work my fingers. And the sound. Wow. I can't believe I've replaced the rootbeeer guitar (my PRS of the last five years, 2 records) but I have without regret. (Sorry, Bonni...) Later, Jon Durant From ???@??? Thu May 29 09:42:59 1997 >From kflint Thu May 29 07:40:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wX6Nh-0003dN-00; Thu, 29 May 1997 07:40:45 -0700 Message-ID: <338D958D.447C@vm.temple.edu> Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:41:17 -0400 From: Sean O'Donnell Reply-To: sodonne@vm.temple.edu Organization: Temple University X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ordering JamMan memory References: <338CD806.585D@bgnet.bgsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CxKtK.A.eOD.VTZjz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/44 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 07:40:45 -0700 X-UIDL: 013d2408159077f8a2638a4c9c189d01 Jeff, et al.: Regarding the chip type for the JamMan, Greg Hogan once wrote: >Subject: RE: exact jamman memory specs? >From: "Hogan, Greg" >To: Loopers-Delight >>Stew Benedict asked:"Does anyone have the exact spec (generic part number - >>whatever) for the Jamman "zip" memory?" >The answer is 1Mega Byte x 4 bits at100 nanoseconds or faster 20 pin zip >style DRAM, quantity 4. >Best regards, >Greg Hogan >Lexicon Customer Service Now, the listing on the visionsoft page says they have: 1x4-70ns Static Column Zip (A3000 Fast RAM) The only question is 70ns fast enough since Greg says we need 100ns or faster? Are these visionsoft chips 20 pin? Anyone? Sean O'Donnell Jeff Schwartz wrote: > > I was looking at the JamMan stuff on the Looper's home page and I was wondering > if > anyone has ordered JamMan memory from www.visionsoft.com. If so, exactly which > chips did you get? They seem to have several that will do the job (accoding to > Greg > Hogan's info on the JM memory page) for extremely cheap ($9.95 each!) but I am > not > sure exactly what's what with chips and wanted to check with the vast assembled > wisdom of the list... > -- > Jeff Schwartz > jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu > http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html From ???@??? Thu May 29 09:43:06 1997 >From kflint Thu May 29 09:18:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wX7ty-0001Y2-00; Thu, 29 May 1997 09:18:10 -0700 Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 12:09:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Doctor Nerve's Loop Machine (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"AemNDB.A.aGB.Ksajz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/46 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 09:18:10 -0700 X-UIDL: c8757fe1ee635a9f119bd1f1154fdab1 I just got this note from Doctor Nerve's Nick Didkovsky: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Heya, If you have a Java-enabled Web browser, check out: http://www.ingress.com/~drnerve/nerve/pages/interact/loopmachine/loopmachine.shtml Loop up to 8 different sounds, with independent loop times. Create layers of audio your neighbors will love. Rock on, Nick ------------------------------------------------- Doctor Nerve Home Page: http://www.ingress.com/~drnerve/ ------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu May 29 09:43:04 1997 >From kflint Thu May 29 08:44:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wX7NI-00079J-00; Thu, 29 May 1997 08:44:24 -0700 Message-Id: <9705298649.AA864919908@ns.faulkcomp.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.0 Date: Thu, 29 May 97 10:29:08 -0600 From: "mmason" To: Subject: Dork with a DOD nees help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"clEWs.A.gWG.WMajz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/45 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 08:44:24 -0700 X-UIDL: b4dfa4a34cab787a651987fc565c42c0 Greetings form Boris. I'm 15 and have been playin geetar for about 3 years now. I'm very new to looping, but I really love doing it. And I need some tips, tricks ect. My equiptment is really crappy. I use a DOD 4 second delay/sampler for my looping duties. I really enjoy doing Frippertronics type things with my Ebow and volume controll. I also use some crappy chorus pedal, a Boss Heavy Metal pedal, and a Crybaby 535 wah pedal. My guitar is a Peavey Preadator the I modified with new pickups, tuners, ect. And I painted all over it. My main Influences/inspiration people are: Robert Fripp, Adrian Belew, Tom Morello, David Torn, Syd Barrett, Lou Reed, Bill Bruford, Tony Levin, Jamie Muir, Dave Brubeck, and the band Morphine. Any interesting artists/bands I should hear? Any looping tips? Boy I really sound like a dork. mmason@faulkcomp.com I probably didn't send this to the correct address. Sorry. I'm a dork remember? From ???@??? Thu May 29 18:50:11 1997 >From kflint Thu May 29 10:52:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wX9N5-0007Xb-00; Thu, 29 May 1997 10:52:19 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:41:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Doctor Nerve's Loop Machine (fwd) Resent-Message-ID: <"3CinD.A.ytG.VEcjz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/47 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:52:19 -0700 X-UIDL: 5dd7b87bb9227f0486f242c05fbfd132 Yes! That's fun! It ran rather badly on my computer, but I certainly got the idea. (they shoulda used beatnik.....) I've talked with some folks about sonifying the looper's delight site. Any java programmers out there want to make us a loop machine? Anyone want to contribute audio? It would be cool if we had loops from different folks on the list to sonify pages and buttons and stuff. And some interactivity would be great. I don't have any time to organize it really, so if anyone wants to help out, please do! kim >I just got this note from Doctor Nerve's Nick Didkovsky: > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Heya, >If you have a Java-enabled Web browser, check out: >http://www.ingress.com/~drnerve/nerve/pages/interact/loopmachine/loopmachine.sh >tml > >Loop up to 8 different sounds, with independent loop times. Create layers of >audio your neighbors will love. > >Rock on, >Nick >------------------------------------------------- >Doctor Nerve Home Page: >http://www.ingress.com/~drnerve/ >------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu May 29 18:50:11 1997 >From kflint Thu May 29 11:17:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wX9lS-0001QG-00; Thu, 29 May 1997 11:17:30 -0700 Message-Id: <199705291812.LAA17261@usr02.primenet.com> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Doctor Nerve's Loop Machine (fwd) Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 11:11:44 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"V-ikMC.A.NBB.kccjz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/48 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 11:17:30 -0700 X-UIDL: 2223612c97fb7c548e82e293c22108d0 > I've talked with some folks about sonifying the looper's delight site. Any > java programmers out there want to make us a loop machine? Anyone want to > contribute audio? Alas, Java only handles 8kHz mono .au format, at my last use of it... Otherwise I'd been fiddling with it for a while. There's a routine I'll put on my area sometime soon if you like, that I tested a while ago, using up to 8 separate .au files, mixed together and randomly implemented... But, without Stereo, sound is still a novelty act on any PC in my opinion. We can thank the Sun folks, or UNIX, or just Java-in-general for this little problem. So no amount of Mac vitriol or side comments need apply. > It would be cool if we had loops from different folks on the list to sonify > pages and buttons and stuff. And some interactivity would be great. Perhaps a rotating, er, LOOPING list of some of our work would be in order for this... I'm starting to wonder if the routine talked about might be the same one - but not being able to get into the site, one can only guess. I get a Site not Found message. Stephen. From ???@??? Thu May 29 18:50:22 1997 >From kflint Thu May 29 16:29:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXEd6-0005DD-00; Thu, 29 May 1997 16:29:12 -0700 Message-Id: <199705292325.QAA15922@scv3.apple.com> Subject: Austin Looping Show Friday Date: Thu, 29 May 97 18:24:22 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"eBpHFC.A.ydE.3_gjz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/49 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 16:29:12 -0700 X-UIDL: befb905bcefb82351fb6a6b2c4aee50b For anyone in the Austin, Texas area on Friday, May 30th. Tiktok (Travis Hartnett and Jon Matlin) will be playing at Spider House starting around 7:00PM. Spider House is on Fruth and 29th St, behind the old Antone's location. Admission is free, and the performance will end around 9PM. Tiktok is an improvisatory duo employing various looping devices and techniques. From ???@??? Thu May 29 19:59:42 1997 >From kflint Thu May 29 19:16:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXHFF-0007Fz-00; Thu, 29 May 1997 19:16:45 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199705291812.LAA17261@usr02.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 19:09:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Doctor Nerve's Loop Machine (fwd) Resent-Message-ID: <"tvN1MC.A.KoG.0fjjz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/50 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 19:16:45 -0700 X-UIDL: 51ece1f740e854a95a48cde2bca8648f At 11:11 AM -0700 5/29/97, Stephen P. Goodman wrote: >> I've talked with some folks about sonifying the looper's delight site. >Any >> java programmers out there want to make us a loop machine? Anyone want to >> contribute audio? > >Alas, Java only handles 8kHz mono .au format, at my last use of it... Java in conjunction with the Beatnik plugin gets around this quite nicely, I believe. I played with a couple sites on the headspace example page that did this quite well. (and no, you don't need the mac only headspace file format editor, so don't get all bent about that again :-) >But, without Stereo, sound is still a novelty act on any PC in my opinion. >We can thank the Sun folks, or UNIX, or just Java-in-general for this >little problem. So no amount of Mac vitriol or side comments need apply. I think the original intent for java was more for embedded processors, which is probably why it's not so hot for multimedia web stuff. Besides, I don't think I've ever heard of anyone using Sun workstations for audio of any sort, so what do you expect? (a little Sun vitriol, just for variety) >> It would be cool if we had loops from different folks on the list to >sonify >> pages and buttons and stuff. And some interactivity would be great. > >Perhaps a rotating, er, LOOPING list of some of our work would be in order >for this... That would be cool. Keep it from getting too dull with the same thing everytime. >I'm starting to wonder if the routine talked about might be >the same one - but not being able to get into the site, one can only guess. > I get a Site not Found message. It was sort of lame interface-wise. It has 8 sets of boxes where you type in the number of the audio file you wanted and the length of its loop time. It would then download the audio file and loop it, in a slightly garbled fashion. A list of audio files, presumably recorded by Dr Nerve, followed the java applet part. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri May 30 09:36:13 1997 >From kflint Thu May 29 20:06:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXI1k-00029z-00; Thu, 29 May 1997 20:06:52 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <970529114625_74074.1316_GHP77-2@CompuServe.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 19:54:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar Resent-Message-ID: <"IPi41B.A.l4B.RPkjz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/51 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 20:06:52 -0700 X-UIDL: 85b0a07d02c096423882f14db0163be2 Warning: No loop content follows, aside from the distant connection to other loop artists playing similar instruments. Total guitar geekiness is all you'll find here: At 7:46 AM -0400 5/29/97, Jon Durant wrote: >Hey Kim, you got a Klein???? > >Way to go. Just got mine as well. My brother Kingsley and I will be playing at Yeah, I didn't want to come on the list, jumping around like a little kid saying "I got a Klein, I got a Klein!" But since you just did, heck I'll join in..... I first played one at summer NAMM 2 years ago. I was just blown away. You pick up the guitar and it just sort of melts into your body, leaving your hands exactly where they should be. It's so comfortable and easy to play, its just amazing. And the tone.....the harmonic content is like nothing I've ever heard. It's just so rich. And the sustain is so good you hardly need a sustainer pickup. I can play chords right up to the 24th fret on mine and it just rings out perfectly. I got mine with the resonator cavity, swamp ash body, Guatemalan Rosewood neck (single piece, no fretboard), transtrem, and two Joseph Barden humbuckers with a Barden single coil in between. I custom designed the electronics for myself, based around this monster 4 pole 5 position switch and three push-pull knobs. (the knobs are vol/vol/tone) I've got 20 combinations between coil splitting, phase, and pickup selection, plus all the variations from tone/volume changes. I picked out the wood myself, (well with Lorenzo's help) which was fun. Klein is in a barn in Sonoma, in the California wine country. Spending a day hanging around on the Klein farm picking out guitar wood and puttering around Sonoma is a day well spent! The neck piece is really something. If you balance it at the 12th fret and tap on it, it rings out like a marimba or something. The guitar is really light, which the right thing to do for harmonics and sustain. And the grain across the top and fretboard is great and very beautiful. Through the triaxis/2:90, this guitar sounds incredible. My girlfriend designed the paint scheme, a transparent purple wash that fades between bluish purple and reddish purple. All the cool grain patterns are visible under it, and it's really quite stunning. This is why it took 10 months to build mine, since Lorenzo had to go through 3 painters before he found a guy that could do it! He nailed it too. The only down side of all this was that all the customizing resulted in me winning the prize for "most expensive klein Lorenzo has ever sold." My wallet still hurts. But I'll be playing this for a long time, so its totally worth it. Sell your car and buy a Klein. Your not gonna want to leave the house after you get it anyway..... kim >Any guitarists out there in loop land owe it to themselves to check out these >guitars. I know they look odd and cost a bunch o' money, but I have to >tell you >that I've never played anything that felt and sounded so good. It's literally >changed my life: where previously I'd pick up the guitar once every few >days to >play because I needed to practice, I now pick it every time I'm waiting for a >large document to print, or when I know I'm going to be on a long phone >call--just to work my fingers. And the sound. Wow. I can't believe I've >replaced >the rootbeeer guitar (my PRS of the last five years, 2 records) but I have >without regret. (Sorry, Bonni...) > >Later, >Jon Durant ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri May 30 09:36:14 1997 >From kflint Thu May 29 20:58:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXIpr-0004S4-00; Thu, 29 May 1997 20:58:39 -0700 Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 20:53:57 -0700 (MST) From: Dan Howarth To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Fuxe0D.A.lCE.o_kjz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 20:58:39 -0700 X-UIDL: 8b95d11e0f7f11e1305b31e321f25299 so, kim... were are them pictures?! i wanna see it, too! great description, btw. i can almost feel it in my hands... **************************************************************** ** Dan Howarth, History/Music, University of Arizona, Tucson ** ** http://www.u.arizona.edu/~howarth (under construction) ** ** http://www.arts.arizona.edu/mus120 (under construction) ** **************************************************************** From ???@??? Fri May 30 09:36:18 1997 >From kflint Fri May 30 00:46:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXMOe-0005iR-00; Fri, 30 May 1997 00:46:48 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 08:42:38 +0100 Message-ID: <0003F7FF.1424@mail.bl.uk> From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) Subject: Robert Fripp in the UK (and yes - the US 2!) To: "Looper's Delight" Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"nhANtC.A.iPF.yVojz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 00:46:48 -0700 X-UIDL: 8cd75b0c6845715e6f7ab4aad4429c9f I expect most Frippofiles will know of these dates, but should you have missed his interview in last month's `The Wire', Robert will be producing Live Soundscapes in the next few days as follows: May 31 The Union Chapel, Islington (UK) (Noon - 6pm) June 2 to 5 Salisbury Cathedral (UK) (2:30pm - 5pm) The timings may prove approximate, as according to the article, he stops at any point he senses the audience has had enough. For US dates, check Elephant Talk's URL: . Cheers David From ???@??? Fri May 30 09:36:19 1997 >From kflint Fri May 30 01:06:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXMhl-0006Ln-00; Fri, 30 May 1997 01:06:33 -0700 Message-Id: <27494.199705300804@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 09:04:47 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar Resent-Message-ID: <"rPWnP.A.L3F.qoojz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 01:06:33 -0700 X-UIDL: 96406069be683874d7183e497c20ea0c >Warning: No loop content follows, aside from the distant connection to >other loop artists playing similar instruments. Total guitar geekiness is >all you'll find here: I'm sure that's cool - after all, (a) it's your list, (b) sometimes LD seems more like Open Minded Guitarists Anonymous. Which is also cool. >I custom designed the >electronics for myself, based around this monster 4 pole 5 position switch >and three push-pull knobs. (the knobs are vol/vol/tone) Anyone know of any 6-pole switches (better still, pots) around?I've been thinking (one day...) of using a passive filter network tuned to 12-fr. frequencies on each polepiece on the brifge pu as a neck pu "simulator". That way I could bet all the sounds I use on one pickup. I could then use the other pickup slots for sustainers etc.... >I've got 20 >combinations between coil splitting, phase, and pickup selection, plus all >the variations from tone/volume changes. How easy is it to move around those variations in a hurry, eg in performance? >The only down side of all this was that all the customizing resulted in me >winning the prize for "most expensive klein Lorenzo has ever sold." Is it the most expnsive ever? Do you know who has that? (I'm betting Michael Hedges) >Sell your car and buy a Klein. Your not gonna want to leave the house after >you get it anyway..... Unfortunately, base price Kleins cost more than my car... Michael PS Congrats to all Klein owners. We, who are _not_ about to buy, salute you. Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Fri May 30 09:36:25 1997 >From kflint Fri May 30 01:20:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXMv6-0006qq-00; Fri, 30 May 1997 01:20:20 -0700 Message-Id: <27749.199705300818@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 09:18:12 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Re: Sustain Resent-Message-ID: <"WOakfB.A.BUG.V1ojz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/55 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 01:20:20 -0700 X-UIDL: a7a6cb628ec8ef0f97dbb2737b1900f1 Olivier said: >, price are going, depending on the options around 400 to 500 >bucks, I think (because I don't have the listing of prices with me. That's crazy. >You have threebuttons and a knob. One is bow button "momentary burst of >string propelling sustain (a la E-bow?). An overtone button, you press it >to emphasize fundamentals, and again to emphasize overtones. A Susuatin >button tp press to get the things working continuously, in conjonction >with a drive knob that settles the level of sustain. It's been asked before - how does an EBow _work_?? I've always assumed it's just a low frequency (eg 10Hz, or something similarly inaudible) magnetic field generator (oscillator & coil) which effectively magnetically "strikes" the string. I'd guess it's too small to sense the string in any way. If so, is there any reason why a similar cct couldn't be used to drive, say the neck pickup? Failing that, how abut taking to output from (say)) the middle pickup, amplifiying it and running it into the neck pickup? That would even allow the setting of a "feedback sensitivity" pot, and basically simulating the effect of standing in front of a good amp. And all for less that $500!!! My electromag is a bit weak in these areas (worrying, since I tutor 2nd-year electromag!) - does any of this sound feasible? I'll probably try dissembling my old Squier Strat's pickups over the weekend to try driving a pickup from the lab. Sig. Ge. I'll let you know how I go. Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Fri May 30 09:36:34 1997 >From kflint Fri May 30 02:30:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXO1G-0000uP-00; Fri, 30 May 1997 02:30:46 -0700 Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 02:26:07 -0700 (MST) From: Dan Howarth To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sustain In-Reply-To: <27749.199705300818@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"oDsntD.A.wv.A3pjz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/56 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 02:30:46 -0700 X-UIDL: 0262e3d6b34573fdfeebf58d7465f0ca i don't know how it works, but on the Ebow note... i remember an interview with a guitarist (i want to say adam jones from tool) who said that he used a walkman with reverse button engaged at various (but close) distances to the pickups on a distorted and already feeding-back guitar to achieve similar sustain effects. something about the winding mechanism in the tape player and the batteries? i remember trying it, though - without the distortion (at the time) and i think i actually got something out of it. anybody? **************************************************************** ** Dan Howarth, History/Music, University of Arizona, Tucson ** ** http://www.u.arizona.edu/~howarth (under construction) ** ** http://www.arts.arizona.edu/mus120 (under construction) ** **************************************************************** From ???@??? Fri May 30 09:36:35 1997 >From kflint Fri May 30 05:03:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXQPV-00057l-00; Fri, 30 May 1997 05:03:57 -0700 Date: 30 May 97 07:59:21 EDT From: Jon Durant <74074.1316@CompuServe.COM> To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar Message-ID: <970530115920_74074.1316_GHP45-1@CompuServe.COM> Resent-Message-ID: <"A-iUb.A.utE.mGsjz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/57 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 05:03:57 -0700 X-UIDL: 16c1839f57ce43f8895d0b141dd5b32d Kim wirtes- >My girlfriend designed the paint scheme, a transparent purple wash that >fades between bluish purple and reddish purple. All the cool grain patterns >are visible under it, and it's really quite stunning. This is why it took >10 months to build mine, since Lorenzo had to go through 3 painters before >he found a guy that could do it! He nailed it too. Lorenzo's been having trouble finding people to do the job *right*. Mine is a chamberd spruce which a former finisher had dropped something onto, and rather than fix the very small ding, he simply laquered over it... But it's a wonderful, natural color. First time my wife's ever seen a guitar and said "that looks nice". My four year old son was there when it came, and he looked at it and said, "daddy, why did David Torn send you his guitar?" Trans-trem, same pickup config as Kim's, but with standard electronics. And I'm running through a Mesa Maverick, and, yeah, it sounds amazing. My two jammen are getting a workout like they've never had before!!! Right, back to loopage now. From ???@??? Fri May 30 09:36:43 1997 >From kflint Fri May 30 09:37:53 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXUgR-000284-00; Fri, 30 May 1997 09:37:43 -0700 Message-Id: <10709.199705301633@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:33:18 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Re: Sustain Resent-Message-ID: <"Ae5BpD.A.jsB.mFwjz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 09:37:43 -0700 X-UIDL: 755b88ffc446f1d51d98ec5fd3b00e0e I've just managed to track down and try probably the only Fernandez sustainer in Glasgow. Here's my reaction: 1. WOW! 2. Whilst the contols seemed utterly barmy, I think it goes like this. When the sustainer is off, the mid and br. p/ups work via the 3-way blade switch. When the sustainer is on, the mid p/up is disabled and only the br. h/b works. The sustainer on/off is the 2-way toggle; the pots are vol, tone and sustainer sensitivity. There's a 3-way toggle, but I've no idea what it does. Kim, Jon etc, could you confirm this? 3. WOW! 4. When in sustainer mode, the output from the mid p/u is amplified (by an amount governed by the sensitivity) and drivien into the neck p/u. This means you can play a note and, just like with real amps, if it's loud enough it'll cause feedback. 5. WOW! 6. This means you sound like you're standing in front of a _very_loud_ amp. Even though you're laying through headphones. I could replicate the effect that always attracted me to Boogies, without getting thrown out of my apartment. What utterly amazes me is just how _easy_ it is to play probably my all-time fave guitar solo, RF's "Firepower". However, the guitar is going (used) for $900. No way. I've got to build me one of these.... somehow! Michael (still in shock) Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Fri May 30 20:25:18 1997 >From kflint Fri May 30 10:44:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXVil-0006e4-00; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:44:11 -0700 Message-ID: <338F112B.3362@vm.temple.edu> Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:40:59 -0400 From: Sean O'Donnell Reply-To: sodonne@vm.temple.edu Organization: Temple University X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ordering JamMan memory References: <9705301726.AA28187@beryllium.lexicon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"et3FSC.A.6yF.vBxjz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/60 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 10:44:11 -0700 X-UIDL: 244307069dea51ca924e7af462803c02 They're listed as static column on their website. In fact, this is the complete description: 1x4-70ns Static Column Zip (A3000 Fast RAM) $9.95 Not gonna work, huh? Hogan, Greg wrote: > > Sean O'Donnell asked:"The only question is 70ns fast enough since Greg > says we need 100ns or faster?" and " Are these visionsoft chips 20 > pin?" > > Hi Sean, > > I do not know if what visionsoft is offering is 20 pins or not. I am > quite sure that they can answer that question. 70ns is faster than 100ns > and should not be a problem. The RAMs should be PAGE type and not STATIC > COLUMN. > > Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that > I can do for you. > > Best regards, > > Greg Hogan > Lexicon Customer Service > Phone 617-280-0372 > FAX 617-280-0499 > email: ghogan@lexicon.com From ???@??? Fri May 30 20:25:17 1997 >From kflint Fri May 30 10:25:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXVQw-0005Lw-00; Fri, 30 May 1997 10:25:46 -0700 Message-Id: <9705301726.AA28187@beryllium.lexicon.com> Priority: urgent Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:49:00 -0400 From: "Hogan, Greg" Subject: RE: Ordering JamMan memory To: Loopers-Delight , sodonne X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Resent-Message-ID: <"5KkVpC.A.h2E.F0wjz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/59 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 10:25:46 -0700 X-UIDL: 3d701c1b8789e1f45b3dd09d0d07840e Sean O'Donnell asked:"The only question is 70ns fast enough since Greg says we need 100ns or faster?" and " Are these visionsoft chips 20 pin?" Hi Sean, I do not know if what visionsoft is offering is 20 pins or not. I am quite sure that they can answer that question. 70ns is faster than 100ns and should not be a problem. The RAMs should be PAGE type and not STATIC COLUMN. Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that I can do for you. Best regards, Greg Hogan Lexicon Customer Service Phone 617-280-0372 FAX 617-280-0499 email: ghogan@lexicon.com From ???@??? Fri May 30 20:25:19 1997 >From kflint Fri May 30 11:28:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXWPh-0001pZ-00; Fri, 30 May 1997 11:28:33 -0700 Message-ID: <338F1D0B.1DE2@crystalball.com> Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:31:39 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@crystalball.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Reversing Jam Mod References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"4BV-qD.A.9aB.Otxjz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/61 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 11:28:33 -0700 X-UIDL: 853a5c4ada0e68384d04d675496a4279 Patrick Smith wrote: > > Bob, > > Would it be possible to add to your list of mods a function that would > allow you to record a loop, play it backwards, record over the backward > section, and continue to flip flop these overlays? Could get chaotic, but > it may get very cool..... > > Thanks for all your thought and effort in this. > > Patrick > The Boomerang Phrase Sampler does this now. Any part can be recorded forward or reverse; and then the whole musical creation can be played forward or reverse at your whim. Motley From ???@??? Fri May 30 20:25:20 1997 >From kflint Fri May 30 11:38:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXWZ4-0002Yg-00; Fri, 30 May 1997 11:38:14 -0700 Message-ID: <338F1E27.18F6@vm.temple.edu> Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:36:23 -0400 From: Sean O'Donnell Reply-To: sodonne@vm.temple.edu Organization: Temple University X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ordering JamMan memory References: <9705301726.AA28187@beryllium.lexicon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"oyiwF.A.eDC.t1xjz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/62 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 11:38:14 -0700 X-UIDL: ccfa96f4c246373456a4525d0fc6db1a I spoke with the rep at visionsoft...THEY HAVE PAGE TYPE and THEY'RE 20 pin! Now, I have another question: My JamMan has the standard 8 second memory. How many of the chips do I need to purchase to get the full 32 seconds? The rep at visionsoft said that the chips are equivalent to one-half megabyte each...is that standard for J-Man memory? Thanks! Sean Hogan, Greg wrote: > > Sean O'Donnell asked:"The only question is 70ns fast enough since Greg > says we need 100ns or faster?" and " Are these visionsoft chips 20 > pin?" > > Hi Sean, > > I do not know if what visionsoft is offering is 20 pins or not. I am > quite sure that they can answer that question. 70ns is faster than 100ns > and should not be a problem. The RAMs should be PAGE type and not STATIC > COLUMN. > > Please let me know if you have any questions or if there is anything that > I can do for you. > > Best regards, > > Greg Hogan > Lexicon Customer Service > Phone 617-280-0372 > FAX 617-280-0499 > email: ghogan@lexicon.com From ???@??? Fri May 30 20:25:31 1997 >From kflint Fri May 30 12:23:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXXH9-0005bp-00; Fri, 30 May 1997 12:23:47 -0700 From: Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:17:03 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199705301517_MC2-1762-6C61@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"PtiLFC.A.K5E.Ggyjz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:23:47 -0700 X-UIDL: 83328e13eb3ac228cef631b90fb44ac1 Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: Sustain Report Generation Time: 05/30/97 19:16:32 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Fri May 30 20:25:30 1997 >From kflint Fri May 30 12:18:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXXBd-0005Ag-00; Fri, 30 May 1997 12:18:05 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.compuserve.com Fri May 30 12:18:03 1997 Received: from hil-img-1.compuserve.com [149.174.177.131] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXXBa-00055w-00; Fri, 30 May 1997 12:18:02 -0700 Received: by hil-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id PAA12109; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:16:58 -0400 From: Old-Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:16:32 -0400 Subject: Message not deliverable To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199705301516_MC2-1762-9BB9@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="9ea667d6-d91f-11d0-afca-00805fbe60fa" X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:18:05 -0700 X-UIDL: 64b5c96f47cc5478bfedbe678f0c2209 ----------------------------------- Forwarded ---------------------------------- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at CSERVE Date: Fri May 30 12:34:57 1997 To: Russell Gorton at CreatSvc-Ada Subject: Re: Sustain -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by dub-img-2.com puserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id MAA04029; Fri, 30 May 1997 12:34:34 -0400 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXUdK-0001sE-00; Fri, 30 May 1997 09:34:30 -0700 Message-Id: <10709.199705301633@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:33:18 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Re: Sustain Resent-Message-ID: <"Ae5BpD.A.jsB.mFwjz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/58 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Russell_Gorton@creatsvc-ada.ccmail.compuserve.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 09:34:30 -0700 I've just managed to track down and try probably the only Fernandez sustainer in Glasgow. Here's my reaction: 1. WOW! 2. Whilst the contols seemed utterly barmy, I think it goes like this. When the sustainer is off, the mid and br. p/ups work via the 3-way blade switch. When the sustainer is on, the mid p/up is disabled and only the br. h/b works. The sustainer on/off is the 2-way toggle; the pots are vol, tone and sustainer sensitivity. There's a 3-way toggle, but I've no idea what it does. Kim, Jon etc, could you confirm this? 3. WOW! 4. When in sustainer mode, the output from the mid p/u is amplified (by an amount governed by the sensitivity) and drivien into the neck p/u. This means you can play a note and, just like with real amps, if it's loud enough it'll cause feedback. 5. WOW! 6. This means you sound like you're standing in front of a _very_loud_ amp. Even though you're laying through headphones. I could replicate the effect that always attracted me to Boogies, without getting thrown out of my apartment. What utterly amazes me is just how _easy_ it is to play probably my all-time fave guitar solo, RF's "Firepower". However, the guitar is going (used) for $900. No way. I've got to build me one of these.... somehow! Michael (still in shock) Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Fri May 30 20:25:32 1997 >From kflint Fri May 30 12:39:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXXWT-0006e4-00; Fri, 30 May 1997 12:39:37 -0700 Date: 30 May 97 15:21:45 EDT From: To: Cc: , , Subject: Sublime experience looping --warning: no guitar content! Message-ID: <970530192145_702420.204300_BHD41-53@CompuServe.COM> Resent-Message-ID: <"z9PB7C.A.O8F.yvyjz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/64 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:39:37 -0700 X-UIDL: 1cda8901474ec23dcc1a17a9d693dda7 Nutrition Facts: Looping fun and technique content: 60% Looping gear-specific content: 30% Guitar content: 0% Boring, pretentious filler: 10% Latest Echoplex victim: my buddy Dan's Fender Rhodes Model Seventy-Three stage piano. When I picked it up to loan...Dan is a ReallyNiceGuy(tm)... I didn't realize that these old things were totally passive electronics. Duh. I was looking for the power cord for, like, 3 whole minutes before I took the top off and examined the innards. No power supply. "Must work like one of them eee-lectric guitars all these kids are playing nowadays..." It sounds wicked with some effects (mild overdrive, chorusing) but somehow even better (for looping, at least) just dry: Rhodes --> Echoplex DP --> SWR Baby Blue II (smallish studio bass combo amp) Looping several different short 8-10 second chord changes; think "Kind of Blue" riff or something... then use NextLoop w/SwitchQuant=On to walk through them. Then, play various inversions and diminished variations of same over the loops...solo notes wash over the transitions between loops. Overdub when the urge strikes! As with other things I loop ('cello, analog synth), I'm getting about an 85% success rate with noiseless startpoints. What seems to help is selecting a dominant note that is slowly decaying over each startpoint, trying not to attack that note too near the startpoint. Each small loop is overdubbed once to wash over the startpoint with that same note (end Record with Overdub, or end Record with Insert in Rehearse mode until I get it near how I want it...) Get the startpoints of all the small loops within a range of similarity and it is surprisingly easy to step through the loops without any abrupt changeovers. Loving that Echoplex...what a box! The overtones and room resonance are mind-blowing. Absolutely gorgeous! The "tines" (is this what they're called?--the little tuning-fork metal bar guys that vibrate on the Rhodes' sounding board) set up washes of eardrum-buzzing, underwater-landscape-on-quaaludes-with-Milt-Jackson-on-vibes that put everyone (even the dog) into trance mode. The interaction between the instrument's sounding board (sustain pads raised) and the amplified looped versions is phenomenal. A great instrument for looping! --Russell Gorton, loop user From ???@??? Fri May 30 20:25:37 1997 >From kflint Fri May 30 16:54:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXbVI-0007DM-00; Fri, 30 May 1997 16:54:40 -0700 From: Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:15:41 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199705301715_MC2-174B-B82A@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"VnJa0.A.5gG.uf2jz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/66 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 16:54:40 -0700 X-UIDL: ca918dce4719b17ceb4385404ea138ca Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Delivery Report Report Generation Time: 05/30/97 21:15:10 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Fri May 30 20:25:38 1997 >From kflint Fri May 30 17:08:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXZ4S-0005K6-00; Fri, 30 May 1997 14:18:48 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.compuserve.com Fri May 30 14:17:35 1997 Received: from arl-img-8.compuserve.com [149.174.217.138] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXZ2Z-0005Am-00; Fri, 30 May 1997 14:16:51 -0700 Received: by arl-img-8.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id RAA10000; Fri, 30 May 1997 17:15:22 -0400 From: Old-Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:15:09 -0400 Subject: Message not deliverable To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199705301715_MC2-1762-9CAD@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="b3523c45-d930-11d0-91f8-00805fea3fcf" X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:18:48 -0700 X-UIDL: b0133cb7ed386a624361800f09cb448d ----------------------------------- Forwarded ---------------------------------- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at CSERVE Date: Fri May 30 15:20:17 1997 To: Russell Gorton at CreatSvc-Ada Subject: Delivery Report -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by hil-img-5.com puserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id PAA04304; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:19:53 -0400 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXXDB-0005It-00; Fri, 30 May 1997 12:19:41 -0700 From: Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:17:03 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199705301517_MC2-1762-6C61@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"PtiLFC.A.K5E.Ggyjz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Russell_Gorton@creatsvc-ada.ccmail.compuserve.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:19:41 -0700 Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: Sustain Report Generation Time: 05/30/97 19:16:32 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Fri May 30 20:25:37 1997 >From kflint Fri May 30 16:49:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXZ5a-0005Nv-00; Fri, 30 May 1997 14:19:58 -0700 X-From_:Administrator@CreatSvc-Ada.CCMAIL.compuserve.com Fri May 30 14:18:11 1997 Received: from arl-img-3.compuserve.com [149.174.217.133] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXZ2n-0005BY-00; Fri, 30 May 1997 14:17:05 -0700 Received: by arl-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id RAA02586; Fri, 30 May 1997 17:15:39 -0400 From: Old-Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:15:09 -0400 Subject: Message not deliverable To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199705301715_MC2-1749-72A@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="c3f458ca-d930-11d0-afca-00805fbe60fa" X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Diagnostic: Possible loopback problem X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:19:58 -0700 X-UIDL: 2f4e19971477964ba5a513f052072224 ----------------------------------- Forwarded ---------------------------------- From: INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com at CSERVE Date: Fri May 30 15:20:17 1997 To: Russell Gorton at CreatSvc-Ada Subject: Delivery Report -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sender: lists@slip.net Received: from ferret.slip.net (ferret.slip.net [207.171.193.6]) by hil-img-5.com puserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id PAA04304; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:19:53 -0400 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXXDB-0005It-00; Fri, 30 May 1997 12:19:41 -0700 From: Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:17:03 -0400 Subject: Delivery Report To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Message-ID: <199705301517_MC2-1762-6C61@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <"PtiLFC.A.K5E.Ggyjz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/63 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: Russell_Gorton@creatsvc-ada.ccmail.compuserve.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:19:41 -0700 Non-Delivery Report: To: Administrator at CSERVE Subject: Re: Sustain Report Generation Time: 05/30/97 19:16:32 (GMT+00:00) Transfer Failed: Recipient Name Unrecognized From ???@??? Fri May 30 20:25:36 1997 >From kflint Fri May 30 16:38:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXZlS-00008O-00; Fri, 30 May 1997 15:03:14 -0700 Message-ID: <338F4ACA.216@bgnet.bgsu.edu> Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:46:50 -0400 From: Jeff Schwartz X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JamMan, TransTrem, and other words that have a capital letter in the middle References: <9705301726.AA28187@beryllium.lexicon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"9mESY.A.jIH.j10jz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/65 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:03:14 -0700 X-UIDL: ea15f2e106b45b495396f2e7b7437629 Here's the latest from me & visionsoft. I called their 800 number and they have the Micron chips, exact model # as in the JM booklet, for $9.95 each. Needless to say, I ordered a set. I will let y'all know when they get here, assuming I can pull myself away from my pedalboard... As for you Klein owners, two questions: does the Klein require you to buy double ball end strings? I have a Hohner headless bass, and it's a pain in the ass to find strings for it. Number two, do y'all know if it's possible to get a TransTrem to install in a normal guitar, say, a mutant Strat-like unit? The stock cheezoid trem on mine is in it's final days (the armhole is stripped out for the nth time...) and the TransTrem sounds like it'd be really fun. -- Jeff Schwartz jeffs@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~jeffs/main.html From ???@??? Sat May 31 11:55:34 1997 >From kflint Sat May 31 04:27:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXmJs-00022J-00; Sat, 31 May 1997 04:27:36 -0700 Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 01:56:18 -0500 From: John Pollock Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-to: johnpollock@delphi.com Message-id: <338FCB92.7301@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <970530115920_74074.1316_GHP45-1@CompuServe.COM> Resent-Message-ID: <"Ph65JD.A.I1B.BrAkz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/67 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 04:27:36 -0700 X-UIDL: 7c54c7815606c8a3b623114e13c3b30a Jon Durant wrote, in part: >My four year old son was there when it came, and he looked at it > and said, "daddy, why did David Torn send you his guitar?" Y'all are raisin' that boy right! :-) My son (two years old yesterday) correctly identified Les Paul in the Miller Lite commercial a few days ago. :-) -- John Pollock mailto:johnpollock@delphi.com http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock (Troubador Tech) From ???@??? Sat May 31 11:55:44 1997 >From kflint Sat May 31 11:43:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXt7E-0007Jh-00; Sat, 31 May 1997 11:43:00 -0700 Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 14:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705311837.OAA15843@shell.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@monmouth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Dork with a DOD?hope for the future Resent-Message-ID: <"37M_2B.A.7uG.2CHkz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/68 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 11:43:00 -0700 X-UIDL: cd113669cbcdf00880ed7d4f4f05fa52 At 10:29 AM 5/29/97 -0600, you wrote: > > Greetings form Boris. I'm 15 and have been playin geetar for about 3 > years now. > > I'm very new to looping, but I really love doing it. And I need some > tips, tricks ect. no Boris you're no dork. THe other 15 year olds who are content to leave it at no doubt, weezer, and bush are dorks. nothing particularly against those bands per se - but i, at 32 am continually depressed by the lack of diversity in the chart oriented music fans of today. And you prove what i always argue to my idiot friends (my age) - I complain about all the "new crap" and they argue that it's cos we're old & don't understand it - I usually respond with - Fuck that - when i was 13, 15,17, 19 i listened to not only a huge variety of contempo music, but also tons of stuff that was created before i was born and while i was a child !!! So - you're very cool indde and we need more young 'uns like yerself !!! Keep listening to all those vanguard players. AGE IS NOTHING - MUSIC IS TIMELESS !!! in terms of the crappy-equipment problem - don't worry about it. I've been playing 15 years and i love my old early 80s echo stuff and my 10 year old ensoniq mirage more than most of the other stuff i try out & usually can't afford... just go to EVERY used music store, garage sales, etc - you can bulid a cool arsenal like that. Experiment with taping yourself - on a boom box, home cassette rec, 4 track you borrow, whatever.> Sounds like you listen to and respect a wide spectrum of players, technology-wise. Tom morello loves those simple good ol boxes and he RULES on 'em - then you got Fripp with his huge rig of computer driven midi guitar stuff and echoplexes. I also love it all !! so - good luck and remember - Les Paul is about to play his 82nd birthday party !!! and he's still trying out new shit !! Go for it - NEVER change your attitude and experimental outlook. ANY equip/ performance questions - i'll gladly help, as i'm sure all on this list will! thanks for the re-charge !!! peace, andre' (ps - central jersey people- i'll be looping with band>> "hidden agenda" tonite sat may 31 at the court tavern/ 124 church st/ new brunswick nj/ 908-545-7265 11:30 pm > > From ???@??? Sat May 31 16:22:50 1997 >From kflint Sat May 31 13:15:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXuYc-0003EF-00; Sat, 31 May 1997 13:15:22 -0700 Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 16:12:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <970531161229_-1330249790@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Looping with a VG-8 Resent-Message-ID: <"y2rjEB.A.I6C.sZIkz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/69 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 13:15:22 -0700 X-UIDL: 19935a4bd349cb19f4cd4a96000789ba Jusy sent up (to the V web site) a new set of patches for the VG-8, in which I discovered some cool looping feature; attached is from notes to same, for anyone her who has V and doesn't read the Digital Guitar Digest. Forgive the elementary info, all you grizzled looping vets...I'm off to see if I can do the same kinda things with my DP/4 dpc <...my discovery of the V as a looping device, which I had until now overlooked, since the max delay time is only about 1 second...my mistake! You can use the pedal to send to the delay or not, creating short loops in the background, ideal for playing over tiny riffs and arpeggios, and exploring chord/scale relations, etc--what I call "straight looping." Even more fun is what I've called "rhythmic looping" in the above patches: Setting the delay level to 100, and the feedback in the 90's with the "cross-feedback" delay set to create a little rhythm thing going on between the two delay times, while using the pedal to create timbral changes. Playing into this sparsely and staccato or muted with an unusual timbre can create amazing beat loops, which can be easily mutated as they fade away, a la Steve Reich; open up the FX:Delay page and control the feedback amount with the S1 and 2 switches as you play, and use the vol knob to add additional pulses (set it to Master Vol instead of Pickup level on the Common: GK Vol page for any VGM models you want to use this way). Use a foot switch to tap in new delay times, which will change the rhythms, since the right or left "shift" delay time isn't affected by the tap. (With the "shift" set to R301 as given, try setting the "time" to 950, 868, 0r 732 to create interesting syncopations; setting time to 1023, the max, cuts off the shift delay.) Switching to Stereo delay will usually give rhythms that continue to change, while the cross-feedback delays are more stable. I've usually set up a foot switch to kill the delay (Mod also kills the delays, unfortunately), but for me it's faster just to switch in and out of the patch. These heavily-delayed patches definitely have to played carefully not to turn to mush. Enjoy, dpc.> From ???@??? Sat May 31 16:22:51 1997 >From kflint Sat May 31 13:29:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXumU-0003px-00; Sat, 31 May 1997 13:29:42 -0700 Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 15:35:01 -0500 From: John Pollock Subject: Re: Dork with a DOD nees help To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-to: johnpollock@delphi.com Message-id: <33908B75.4FEA@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <9705298649.AA864919908@ns.faulkcomp.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"xPQ1cD.A.eeD._mIkz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/70 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 13:29:42 -0700 X-UIDL: 167153b2d8d611022b5c8d26264ea4ef mmason wrote, in part: > My equiptment is really crappy. I use a DOD 4 second delay/sampler for > my looping duties. I really enjoy doing Frippertronics type things > with my Ebow and volume controll. I also use some crappy chorus pedal, > a Boss Heavy Metal pedal, and a Crybaby 535 wah pedal. My guitar is a > Peavey Preadator the I modified with new pickups, tuners, ect. And I > painted all over it. Boris, "When you're out of red, use blue." So, allegedly, said Pablo Picasso. I've found it's much healthier for me to make the music I can, with the gear I have, than to waste time _not_ making music because I don't have a particular tool. You have twice the max delay time I have-- my only looper is a Vortex. You're actually in a very solid position with respect to equipment, because you have most of the bases covered-- you don't _need_ anything desperately. This means you can wait till you find bargains (like last winter's closeout Lexicon gear), rather than spending a lot of money to expand your rig. And I somehow doubt that Jon and Kim feel the freedom to modify their new Klein guitars that you enjoy with the Predator. ;-) > Any interesting artists/bands I should hear? Be sure to take advantage of the music offered on the Web by the folks right here on this list! See the World-Wide Index of Loop Artists (http://www.annihilist.com/loop/profiles/Profiles.html) at the Looper's Delight. I'm gradually working through them myself. I've really enjoyed and learned from Stephen Goodman's (http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios/) and Matt McCabe's (http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~finley/kingnever.html) music. >Any looping tips? Do it! Trust your own ear and judgment-- if your music doesn't satisfy _you_, how can it satisfy anyone else? Listen to any music you hear-- good or bad, looped or not, whether you like it or not. If you don't like something, ask yourself why, so you can keep it from happening in your own music. Ask questions. "The only stupid question is the one you don't ask." > Boy I really sound like a dork. Not to me. :-) -- John Pollock mailto:johnpollock@delphi.com http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock (Troubador Tech) From ???@??? Sat May 31 17:28:31 1997 >From kflint Sat May 31 16:33:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXxeW-0003Gi-00; Sat, 31 May 1997 16:33:40 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <338F4ACA.216@bgnet.bgsu.edu> References: <9705301726.AA28187@beryllium.lexicon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 15:08:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: JamMan, TransTrem, and other words that have a capital letter in the middle Resent-Message-ID: <"hHnxU.A.ZnC.JPLkz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/72 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 16:33:40 -0700 X-UIDL: df946af3072a9af56d953586ad4cb98f More guitar geekiness, sorry: Jeff Schwartz said: >As for you Klein owners, two questions: does the Klein require you to buy >double ball >end strings? I have a Hohner headless bass, and it's a pain in the ass to >find strings for >it. Yes, it uses double ball strings. That's part of the deal with the steinberger tremolo/no headstock design. I haven't had to buy strings yet, but I just figured I could mailorder them. I guess I could just get them from Klein, but I think there are several companies that still sell them. It's not like they're hard to make or anything. >Number two, do y'all know if it's possible to get a TransTrem to install >in a normal >guitar, say, a mutant Strat-like unit? The stock cheezoid trem on mine is >in it's final >days (the armhole is stripped out for the nth time...) and the TransTrem >sounds like it'd >be really fun. TransTrems are quite different from kahler or floyd type tremolos. (which are fairly different from each other) If the guitar wasn't designed for the transtrem, you will need to seriously butcher it to get one on there. It needs to be on the edge of the body, so on your strat, you would need to chop out all the wood between the bridge and the edge of the body where the strap pin is. I guess you would then have a mutant flying V..... I think I recall a picture of a guitar Eddie Van Halen did this to. It wasn't pretty. You are probably better off getting a good quality replacement trem that is similar to the one you've got. Steinberger also has the s-trem, which is more traditional and which Lorenzo claims gives better tone/sustain and the JamTrem, which I don't know about. The transtrem is incredibly cool, though. Ned Steinberger (who like Tom Oberheim and Michael Tobias, hasn't got anything to do with his namesake company anymore) has brought a lot of great ideas to guitar design, and this is one of his best. Being able to whammy whole chords with all the voices staying in tune is a remarkable advance over the traditional designs. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat May 31 16:22:52 1997 >From kflint Sat May 31 14:17:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXvWb-0005x6-00; Sat, 31 May 1997 14:17:21 -0700 Message-Id: <9705318651.AA865113391@ns.faulkcomp.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.0 Date: Sat, 31 May 97 16:14:35 -0600 From: "mmason" To: Subject: The dork is inspired now! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5rlGqB.A.CbF.UTJkz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/71 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 14:17:21 -0700 X-UIDL: ca34803775d61e28b763b9c26d40a7e1 "WOW!" was the only word. [enter Boris or Jay] Boris or Jay: I really want to thank all you loopin' poeple out there that responded to my letter. I got tons 'o nice replies from lotsa cool people. All you dudes are totally awesome! Email me anytime. It brightens up me day when I actually get mail from cool people. Gotta go now- I'm inspired to start loopin with a new attitude and purpose! [exit] From ???@??? Sat May 31 17:28:32 1997 >From kflint Sat May 31 16:34:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXxet-0003Ii-00; Sat, 31 May 1997 16:34:03 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <10709.199705301633@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 15:25:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Sustain Resent-Message-ID: <"ZG_gm.A.tnC.NPLkz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/73 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 16:34:03 -0700 X-UIDL: baa971ec4e4090eabdc77cf5f0ee9766 At 5:33 PM +0100 5/30/97, Dr M. P. Hughes wrote: >2. Whilst the contols seemed utterly barmy, I think it goes like this. > When the sustainer is off, the mid and br. p/ups work via the 3-way > blade switch. When the sustainer is on, the mid p/up is disabled and > only the br. h/b works. The sustainer on/off is the 2-way toggle; >the > pots are vol, tone and sustainer sensitivity. There's a 3-way toggle, > but I've no idea what it does. Kim, Jon etc, could you confirm this? The 3-way toggle switch is fundamental/2nd harmonic/upper harmonics. Fundamental is more ebow like, sustaining the actual note. The upper harmonics position is more Jimi-in-front-of-cranked-Marshall. > >However, the guitar is going (used) for $900. No way. I've got to build >me one of these.... somehow! I've never gotten around to checking out the circuit in mine, but I suspect it is pretty simple. They just take the signal from the bridge pickup, filter it, and use it to drive the neck pickup in reverse. Just as strings moving in the pickup's magnetic field produces an ac voltage at the output of the coil, applying a signal voltage to the coil output will cause the motion of the magnetic field to move the string. NotRocketScience (tm). You need to make sure you get the pickup placement right so that you drive the string in phase. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat May 31 17:28:31 1997 >From kflint Sat May 31 16:33:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXxeg-0003HY-00; Sat, 31 May 1997 16:33:50 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <27749.199705300818@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 15:36:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Sustain Resent-Message-ID: <"p5JBxB.A.YoC.TPLkz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 16:33:51 -0700 X-UIDL: d1b31979bae5326412dce06fdd756c56 At 2:26 AM -0700 5/30/97, Dan Howarth wrote: >i don't know how it works, but on the Ebow note... i remember an interview >with a guitarist (i want to say adam jones from tool) who said that he >used a walkman with reverse button engaged at various (but close) >distances to the pickups on a distorted and already feeding-back guitar to >achieve similar sustain effects. something about the winding mechanism in >the tape player and the batteries? >i remember trying it, though - without the distortion (at the time) and i >think i actually got something out of it. anybody? It's the motor interacting with the pickup that you hear. I think adjustable vibrators are better for this, since a) you can control the pitch with a little knob, b) people are much more likely to notice you on stage, depending on the model you use, c) also useful for the Spinal Tap cucumber trick, d) Dave Navarro and Reeves Gabrels do it that way so it must be cool, and e) numerous other handy uses around the home. You can also use the audio output of something like a mini tape player to drive the pickups. Last time I saw Buckethead, he was using a little Star Wars toy to do this. He'd push the little buttons and Chewbacca would yell through his amp. great source material for loops, I think.... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat May 31 17:28:32 1997 >From kflint Sat May 31 16:33:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wXxeg-0003Hg-00; Sat, 31 May 1997 16:33:50 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop2.slip.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <27494.199705300804@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 16:11:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Klein Electric Guitar Resent-Message-ID: <"N62K-C.A.4oC.aPLkz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 16:33:51 -0700 X-UIDL: 5605414d0cf8b01c8eb0da5bfe4c376e 100% loop free: At 9:04 AM +0100 5/30/97, Dr M. P. Hughes wrote: > >>I've got 20 >>combinations between coil splitting, phase, and pickup selection, plus all >>the variations from tone/volume changes. > >How easy is it to move around those variations in a hurry, eg in performance? I designed it with that in mind, its not so bad really. The switch/wiring scheme is rather complicated in order to minimize the effort to switch things around. The five position switch gives neck/neck+mid/neck+bridge/mid+bridge/bridge. Mostly I just switch that. I have two volume knobs and a master tone. As the selector switch is changed, the knobs are effectively rewired so that they do what is intuitive for that position. So the neck-pu volume knob does volume for both the first and second positions, bridge-pu knob does volume for fourth and fifth positions, and they are both operational for the middle position. The tone knob operates for everything. Each knob is also a push-pull switch, doing the most obvious thing for that knob. The bridge volume pot, when pulled out, splits the bridge pickup to make it single coil. The neck volume pot is the same. The tone knob, when pulled out, puts whatever pickup combination I've got selected out of phase. That was the most complicated part of the design, because it has to get radically repostioned in the circuit depending on which pickups are on. Mostly I just use humbucking sounds, so I'm just changing the pickup selector. Going to a single coil sound usually just means flipping the selector switch to whatever position and pulling a knob. The Klein is very well designed so that the controls are easy to get to, and my setup is very intuitive for me so I don't have to think about it. >>The only down side of all this was that all the customizing resulted in me >>winning the prize for "most expensive klein Lorenzo has ever sold." > >Is it the most expnsive ever? Do you know who has that? (I'm betting >Michael Hedges) Well, first off, Lorenzo German owns and operates Klein now. Steve Klein didn't want to do it anymore, and had closed the company a few years ago. Lorenzo was working for him at the time, and I think Steve owed him money or something, and Lorenzo got the company as payment. Guitars custom built by Steve are probably a lot more expensive then my guitar. I think the Michael Hedges harp guitar was a custom job by Steve, not really by Klein guitars. I'm sure it was expensive. Steve also makes acoustics with some sort of magical bracing he designed. Those go for $15,000 - $20,000 I think. That's way more than I paid! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com