From ???@??? Tue Apr 01 01:43:48 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 1 00:44:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #1) id 0wBzBW-0003ab-00; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 00:44:54 -0800 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 03:41:02 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: Mercedes and visual looping To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199704010340_MC2-1389-6314@compuserve.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"k6FasB.A.xMD.8pMQz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 00:44:54 -0800 X-UIDL: ecf71eab53de9f6f281d2b6a218da208 >I was recently given a copy of Steinberg's X<>Pose to review for a mac >magazine. If you haven't heard of it, it's an animation program that >assigns MIDI notes to pict files and quicktime movies, and has a bunch of >effects and modifiers that are also controllable via MIDI notes and >controllers. is X<>Pose available for Mac only? >So I'm thinking that there's a way to create a visual analog for >what we do musically, using something like X<>Pose The automatic production of visuals to musical events is very difficult, and I've yet to see a program which keeps me interested for more than a few minutes. One program that I've used for (loop) music light shows is my own fractal program HOP. (I'm very biased here of course.) HOP (a DOS based program) does realtime 'psychedelic' animations based on certain kinds of strange attractors. Some of what can be done with it resembles the slow minimalist light shows of Marian Zazeela which accompanied La Monte Young's Dream House concerts. It can also be tuned to do more vivid, fast stuff which would fit more into Techno/Ambient music. HOP can *not* automatically react to Midi or other sound events though. When I used it to do live lightshows, I first put together a number of preconfigured animation parameters for the sequence of pieces that the band would play - I tried to find some imagery which would fit the general mood of each of the pieces. Then while the band played, I sat beside the stage, running these animations, and I pressed keys on the PC keyboard, doing a certain amount of live modifications, changing parameters, colors, etc., giving it a little more live-ness and unpredictability. People liked it a lot because HOP can do lots of different things none of which resemble your familiar fractals, and it was easy to keep them interested. >Part of the reason I'm wondering about all this is that my band is doing an >hour-long cable TV show in about a month, and I'm looking for some >practical ways to add some visuals... I don't know if HOP could be what you're looking for - maybe not, if you're searching for a realtime automatic visual tool which produces visuals depending on Midi events - but it might be an interesting program for you or anyone else who is interested in complex abstract animations. For more information and a gallery, check out the URL below. Michael Peters mpeters@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Tue Apr 01 09:15:00 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 1 01:49:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #1) id 0wC0Bm-0005bo-00; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 01:49:14 -0800 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 11:46:52 +0200 (MET DST) From: Olivier Malhomme To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Onion soup Message-ID: Organization: "GIS INFOBIOGEN, 7 rue Guy Moquet BP8, 94801 VILLEJUIF, France" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"G9usn.A.BLF.hmNQz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 01:49:14 -0800 X-UIDL: 8eb0df70e2b0dbc2e4e6ab9d50df155e My two cents: to get a real good onion soup, you should add champagne in it. Recipe from a native from france. then you will be in such a state of nirvana that your playing will allow you to hear to most beautiful loops ever made Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Tue Apr 01 09:15:12 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 1 06:49:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #1) id 0wC4sj-0007Pv-00; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 06:49:53 -0800 Message-ID: <3340DA16.66B8@nyfac.com> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 09:49:12 +0000 From: nyfac Reply-To: nyfac@nyfac.com Organization: nyfac X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: More SansAmp foolishness... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ekm9QB.A.XmG.78RQz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 06:49:53 -0800 X-UIDL: 7cccd8923cc724e237c4b8e49c35a314 I had, in a fit of idiocy, brought my recording equipment into my place of indentured servitude, I mean work, for it to sit unused for six months. So I just brought it home the other day and began working with my SansAmp in earnest. Odd as it may sound, when recording direct, the SansAmp sounds best when it is not on... It says in my little booklet that the buffering will improve your sound. Frankly, I was more than a bit sceptical (I was the one who complained about buffering a couple weeks ago) but I am happy to be proven wrong. There are some neat sounds to be had with it on too, of course, but I must say, I really think that the distortion of thes things really blows. The preamp gain on the box make the sound shrill and thin (and not even in a cool Steve Albini sort of way). My other beef with the ol' SA is that in the bass(the one that's supposed to sound like fender stuff) settings, the output is really, really low. Much lower than an unfiltered gtr/bass signal would be. I have noticed this with a lot of distortion boxes and the like. I wonder if it has something to do with my gtr setup- heavy strings (.11 to .13, depending on the mood and guitar), relatively high action, and ham-handed right hand attack. Am I alone with this output difference thing? Trev From ???@??? Tue Apr 01 09:15:16 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 1 06:54:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #1) id 0wC4wt-0007kI-00; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 06:54:11 -0800 Message-ID: <3340DB83.7194@nyfac.com> Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 09:55:18 +0000 From: nyfac Reply-To: nyfac@nyfac.com Organization: nyfac X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: ...and another thing... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"mmMG1B.A.j-G.oCSQz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 06:54:11 -0800 X-UIDL: 6fdf214b6cb0d51bfb43130e0585036c I forgot to ask- has anyone tried out the SansAmp amp? I thought that the clean sounds were absolutely fantastic. I was not too thrilled with the distortion sounds. There was a conversation about stage monitors before- it wound take six of these things to weigh as much as my MESA. It weighs about as much as a twenty watt Peavey practice amp that I have at home. It gets pretty loud too. Trev From ???@??? Tue Apr 01 09:15:05 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 1 02:12:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #1) id 0wC0YG-0006Ml-00; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 02:12:28 -0800 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:10:52 +0200 (MET DST) From: Olivier Malhomme To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Preamp Message-ID: Organization: "GIS INFOBIOGEN, 7 rue Guy Moquet BP8, 94801 VILLEJUIF, France" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"x5ne3C.A.v5F.u8NQz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 02:12:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 2e62512a7e165b43326a1de3e239f775 A bit late, but I will second the idea of getting rid of guitar amps for multiple reason of noise/signal quality... etc. I use a Peavey rockmaster wich absolutely horrible for guitar but works very well with the bass side of my stick. I also use a Lag Spitfire (it is french tube preamp) thatsounds pretty good wwith guitar, and a tube master H&G just to "hotten" (?) the sound before the Spit'. I've been also using a sansamp PSA-1 and it gives the possibility among a lot of other things, to have the sound of power tube overdriven at the output of the preamp (for these singing Jeff Beck sound), so you won't destroy your effects for this sound like with a real amp (not to mention sound volume to get the power section overdriven). Don't hesitate to stack low quality preamp in serial. It just work very well. As for PSA-1 amp simul. You have to get out of the machine with the XLR out to have the amp simul turned on, if I remember well.... Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Tue Apr 01 09:15:19 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 1 07:34:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #1) id 0wC5Zb-0002XX-00; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 07:34:11 -0800 Message-Id: <5660.199704011530@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 16:30:02 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Re: Feedback, Mercedes and Boogie for Beginners Resent-Message-ID: <"gLqSCD.A.2GC.5oSQz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 07:34:11 -0800 X-UIDL: 4935bbd4305a37f209a8e10752944455 Kim Flint: >"The way the amp is designed and voiced have a lot to do with the resulting >guitar feedback. Boogies sing like there's no tomorrow, (I've heard lots of >good stuff about the subway blues) but most amps don't. Anybody know of any others that do? (I know the Rivera R55 and Fender Super 60 will) Travis: >While we're on the subject of feedback at low levels, I just picked up a >Boogie Subway Rocket this weekend, and I'm tremendously pleased with it. >I've used a bunch of Boogie stuff over the years, but the Subway Rocket >allows you to get all the dynamic wonder of tubes at a quieter volume. I >can't speak too highly of this $500, 20watt, three mode wonder. So does it provide low-gain, low-vol feedback, even without reverb? (Incidentally, over here it costs $1000....) Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Tue Apr 01 09:15:21 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 1 07:40:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #1) id 0wC5fL-00033V-00; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 07:40:07 -0800 Message-Id: <5740.199704011535@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 16:35:25 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Re: Feedback, Mercedes and Boogie for Beginners Resent-Message-ID: <"Q09f0D.A.ceC.-sSQz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 07:40:07 -0800 X-UIDL: 17d324c61e5058dc36cf47000df9a53a >At 1:20 AM 3/29/97, Dr M. P. Hughes wrote: >>Let's be fair; the JM is pretty solid peice of work. If we're going for >>car analogies, then the Obie is probably a Merc (E or S series) - high >>prestige, and filled with gadgets that the owners insist they could never >>live without - air cond, power steering. The Lex is an Audi, BMW 3-series >>or Volvo - a quality, refined dirving experience which will get you from A >>to B in style, if not necessarily pampered. Finally, the boomerang is an >>off-roader - fun to drive, not necessarily the smoothest ride, but with a >>growing cult status. Even if it can't do the things the others can, there >>are places it can go that leave the others behind. After that, leave Zoom, >>Dod etc to fight it out for Ford.. :) > >ohhhhhhh...... will it never end? ;-) Hey - not five minutes ago you were complaining about the lack of posts. Now someone starts a thread - a trusty old prernnial - and you're griping!! Anyway, wasn't me that started it - it was one of them there OBERHEIMERS!!!! Ha! Just watch out, or I'll start winding Jon or Greg up about the Vortex ads again... Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Tue Apr 01 09:15:24 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 1 07:47:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #1) id 0wC5mG-0003dl-00; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 07:47:16 -0800 Message-Id: <5845.199704011542@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 16:42:17 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: jim@manager.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Re: Re: Looping in London 10-iv-97 Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"6dl7VC.A.uCD.hzSQz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 07:47:16 -0800 X-UIDL: f0d990eed27bb5abb6b286ba32596efd Me: >>Another UK looper! Does that make, oh, about 3 of us? Jim: >There used to be an Australian girl called Violinda (uh .. I guess that was >her stage name. Guess what instrument she played) Accordion! Trombone! errrr...French Onion!* >There was also a violin-based looper who used to busk in Oxford about the >same time ago, but he probably gave up cos whenever he played, such a big >crowd would gather, the police (bless 'em) had to "move him on" The man in question is Ed Alleyne-Johnson, and if you're in the UK you can pick up his CDs in the high st. The Cds are "Purple Electric Violin Concerto" (containing the Oxford Site, surprisingly enough) and "Ultraviolet", both on Equation (I thinK). He's GREAT. >Hong Kong Jim Why? From there or there now? Michael *Olivier recommended adding champagne to French Onion Soup for the finishing touch. I would rather recommend adding it direct to the diners - in large quantites - before they eat, to garuantee they'll like it! Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Tue Apr 01 22:06:00 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 1 18:24:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wCFiY-00048e-00; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 18:24:06 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 20:38:27 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: ATTN: Charles Cohen Resent-Message-ID: <"d6DMoC.A.iWD.pGcQz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 18:24:06 -0800 X-UIDL: c3afe8c3caa1ed27acb50dac8e0bde09 Dear Loopers, Please forgive my intrusion to the whole list, but I do not have Charle's e-mail. Hi Charles, At the Philyl Loop Show, you were telling Steev and I (Fingerpaint) about a Balto/Philly music improv list. Also a place in Baltimore that we might look to for performance opportunities. I would appreciate if you could forward this information to me. I'm back from vacation rested and ready to go. I hope we can do something together again in the future. Peace, Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~Patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Tue Apr 01 22:03:32 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 1 12:08:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wC9r2-0001XG-00; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:08:28 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:00:58 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: RE: Mercedes and visual looping Resent-Message-ID: <"4FjOmC.A.E6.dnWQz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:08:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 43b786bbc8c276ae43a4d56a8c344ae2 >>I was recently given a copy of Steinberg's X<>Pose to review for a mac >>magazine. If you haven't heard of it, it's an animation program that >>assigns MIDI notes to pict files and quicktime movies, and has a bunch of >>effects and modifiers that are also controllable via MIDI notes and >>controllers. > >is X<>Pose available for Mac only? > It looks like it, there's no mention of windows in the docs. I have to call Steinberg with some questions soon, so I'll ask about a windows version. >>So I'm thinking that there's a way to create a visual analog for >>what we do musically, using something like X<>Pose > >The automatic production of visuals to musical events is very difficult, >and I've yet to see a program which keeps me interested for more than a few >minutes. > Same here. I could easily do director animations that would play along with our performance, but that's too static and anti-improvisational. What I'd like is something that offers a mix of control and semi-intelligent automation to create "surprises", those moments where the machine comes up with something you wouldn't have consciously. > >One program that I've used for (loop) music light shows is my own fractal >program HOP. (I'm very biased here of course.) > >HOP (a DOS based program) does realtime 'psychedelic' animations based on >certain kinds of strange attractors. Some of what can be done with it >resembles the slow minimalist light shows of Marian Zazeela which >accompanied La Monte Young's Dream House concerts. It can also be tuned to >do more vivid, fast stuff which would fit more into Techno/Ambient music. > I looked at you HOP pages, very impressive stuff. It's nice to see someone finding new material in fractals, since certain things like the Mandelbrot set became very overused a few years ago. Too bad I've only got macs, will it run under SoftWindows (not likely if it's doing serious calculations...) >HOP can *not* automatically react to Midi or other sound events though. >When I used it to do live lightshows, I first put together a number of >preconfigured animation parameters for the sequence of pieces that the band >would play - I tried to find some imagery which would fit the general mood >of each of the pieces. Then while the band played, I sat beside the stage, >running these animations, and I pressed keys on the PC keyboard, doing a >certain amount of live modifications, changing parameters, colors, etc., >giving it a little more live-ness and unpredictability. People liked it a >lot because HOP can do lots of different things none of which resemble your >familiar fractals, and it was easy to keep them interested. > Well, I'm not necessarily looking for something that responds directly to MIDI, that's just how X<>Pose works. I'm just looking for something that creates an interesting visual analog to the music we play. I rather like the idea of having an artist controlling the visuals as we play, sort of like another musician, but working on a different frequency spectrum... ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel, NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: improv@peak.org self promotional web-site: http://www.peak.org/~improv/ "A squid eating dough in a polyethelene bag is fast and bulbous, got me?" -Captain Beefheart ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Tue Apr 01 22:05:56 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 1 18:12:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wCFWv-0003AA-00; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 18:12:05 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: meifoo.hk.super.net: Umanager set sender to manager.com!jim using -f From: jim@manager.com (Jim Morgan) Reply-To: jim@manager.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: Looping in London 10-iv-97 Date: 02 Apr 1997 01:49:01 GMT Message-Id: <3406430206.226522042@manager.com> Organization: Manager International Co. Ltd. Resent-Message-ID: <"FnpaO.A.skC.E9bQz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 18:12:05 -0800 X-UIDL: d62fb5d1a8b35e5e1c494912b81db13e Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com,Internet writes: >The man in question is Ed Alleyne-Johnson, and if you're in the UK you can >pick up his CDs in the high st. The Cds are "Purple Electric Violin >Concerto" (containing the Oxford Site, surprisingly enough) and >"Ultraviolet", both on Equation (I thinK). He's GREAT. Cool, another consumer durable for me to hanker after (along with the Echoplex, a VCD player, a MiniDisk 4-track, a house with room to turn round in .... drone...drone) I'll see my friendly CD dealer at the weekend. Is one CD better than t'other or are they fairly similar in style? And yes, I live in Hong Kong at the moment hence the HongKong Jim (mebbe I'll change my name to Phooey.) HKJ From ???@??? Tue Apr 01 22:06:02 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 1 18:43:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wCG0n-0005jh-00; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 18:42:57 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: meifoo.hk.super.net: Umanager set sender to manager.com!jim using -f From: jim@manager.com (Jim Morgan) Reply-To: jim@manager.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: HOP for Mac? Date: 02 Apr 1997 02:03:54 GMT Message-Id: <16117726.226575838@manager.com> Organization: Manager International Co. Ltd. Resent-Message-ID: <"dykPk.A.FJF._bcQz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 18:42:57 -0800 X-UIDL: a15394e2e6ae7e2a9f16cb067b09ba03 Unfortunately I delete all my emails (something to do with getting 50 or 60 emails a day I reckon) so I can't remember who was talking about HOP recently. Anyway it reminded me of a piece of freeware that is sitting in a dark corner of my hard disk at the moment, which does more or less the same thing for Macintosh, as far as I can work out. Here is the blurb from the Readme file which has details on where to get it, and the licensing restrictions. Hope you find it useful. HK Jim _____________________________ bomb - automatic interactive visual stimulation Scott Draves http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~spot ftp://hopeless.mess.cs.cmu.edu/spot/bomb.tar.gz ftp://hopeless.mess.cs.cmu.edu/spot/bomb-mac.sit.bin ftp://hopeless.mess.cs.cmu.edu/spot/bomb-sgi.tar.gz see the file COPYING for the license covering this software. see below for the license covering the output of this software. this program is for svgalib (on linux), with working ports to X11, OpenGL, and the Power Mac (with CodeWarrior). see manual.txt for instructions about how to run and use bomb. see http://hopeless.mess.cs.cmu.edu:8001/bomb/index.html and http://hopeless.mess.cs.cmu.edu:8001/nab/nab.html for online documentation, explanation, and discussion. i apologize for the quality of this code. it is very low. i use this project as a garbage dump for my worst coding impulses. this helps keep the rest of my code cleaner. no kidding. chunks of code and various rules have been taken from various sources (i'm always looking for more stuff, so email if you have something that you think fits). contributors/sources include: jepler@herbie.unl.edu originally derived from vga_eyecandy tcl@sgi.com rotor idea nix@cs.cmu.edu wisps, waves, fade2cmap, many suck/*.gif ehn@cs.cmu.edu gifs Jim Frost xli header file (copyright below) Kirk L. Johnson gif code (copyright below) Torben Mogensen idea for symmetric life ajw@cs.cmu.edu lots of help for all sorts of mac things thanks to nix for many interesting discussions and don hopkins@kaleida.com for inspiration. thanks to toffoli and margolus for their excellent book _cellular automata machines_ (isbn 0-262-20060-0, or see http://www.im.lcs.mit.edu/cam8) ----------------------- license covering output: `bomb' is covered by the GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE, but as noted on line 75: ... the output from the Program is covered only if its contents constitute a work based on the Program (independent of having been made by running the Program). Whether that is true depends on what the Program does. in the case of `bomb', the output *is* considered to be derived from the bomb itself and its datafiles. i place the following restrictions on its use: 1) you may not publicly exhibit it. 2) you may not record it. 3) you may not make any money with it. if you want to do any of these things, contact me, and i'm sure we can work something out. depending on circumstances, my terms are generally: 1) you must notify me in advance 2) you must give me credit 3) you must give me a cut of any money you make From ???@??? Wed Apr 02 09:04:22 1997 >From kflint Wed Apr 2 01:20:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wCMDC-0007Lh-00; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 01:20:10 -0800 Message-Id: <199704020922.BAA31668@dsp.net> From: "James Reynolds" To: Subject: Re: Onion soup Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 01:15:37 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1160 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"arelxC.A.ixG.9QiQz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 01:20:10 -0800 X-UIDL: 8f686fc66d4eae0ac6a0fa035f6b143a okay, okay... i'm sure i'm not the only one who feels this way... but after all this talk of french onion soup.... LET'S HAVE THAT DAMN RECIPE, KIM C. !!! thanks, james From ???@??? Wed Apr 02 09:04:27 1997 >From kflint Wed Apr 2 01:47:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wCMdl-0000W9-00; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 01:47:37 -0800 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 04:44:25 -0500 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: Mercedes and visual looping To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199704020444_MC2-13A3-3425@compuserve.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"Ncpp6C.A.yZ.WriQz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 01:47:37 -0800 X-UIDL: 113826ecc816086fedf32c0cfae448cf Dave, >I looked at you HOP pages, very impressive stuff. It's nice to see someone >finding new material in fractals, since certain things like the Mandelbrot >set became very overused a few years ago. Too bad I've only got macs, will >it run under SoftWindows (not likely if it's doing serious calculations...) I doubt very much that Hop will run under Softwindows. I recommend finding someone with a decent DOS machine (or Windows), that is, at least a 486, and try it there. Write me anytime you have questions or comments on the program (not being a Win program, it is not quite as easy to install as Win programs). Michael Peters mpeters@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Wed Apr 02 09:04:28 1997 >From kflint Wed Apr 2 02:08:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wCMxw-0001GB-00; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 02:08:28 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:42:36 +0000 Message-ID: <000247F7.1424@mail.bl.uk> From: David.Orton@mail.bl.uk (David Orton) Subject: Re:Jamman MIDI To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Resent-Message-ID: <"leYHE.A.hFB.p-iQz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 02:08:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 605c1661a36f02cd1ddd0ea5de01ec86 >...I'm sure this topic has been covered before, but I want to know >about a MIDI controller for my Jamman. A very basic level of control is available from the Zoom 4040 floor effects unit. It doesn't allow you to resend the same command two times in a row (because stepping on the patch pedal changes it to manual/tuner mode), but you can usually get around this by using the JamMan's supplied footswitch. And at least all of the commands necessary for the Jamster are in the first 20 User patches so you can use your own programmed sounds and control the Dude at (about) the same time. The fade commands are all on the same bank, but cue loop 1 is on the end of one bank, with cue loop 2-5 etc on the next. Not to malign this product, which I bought new at approx. half its original price, but ultimately a seperate delay/reverb unit and a midi unit are probably more `effective', depending of course and what you already own, can afford etc. Anyway, I'll be discovering how reliable this is live at the Croydon Clocktower on 10th April (yes, another shameless plug) Non anagramatically looping near London, David http://subnet.virtual-pc.com/~or387751 From ???@??? Wed Apr 02 09:04:31 1997 >From kflint Wed Apr 2 05:46:35 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wCQN0-0007WT-00; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 05:46:34 -0800 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 97 08:42:48 EST From: c62op27@ibx.com (Victor Fiorillo) Message-Id: <9704021342.AA17703@ibx.com> To: stickwire-l@netcom.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Early Retirement Resent-Message-ID: <"YYe8nC.A.17G.nKmQz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 05:46:34 -0800 X-UIDL: f6f7ecfabf087b98bc8aecbefc8c4258 To all of those who expressed an interest in and/or submitted recordings for my music magazine, COM, I am sorry to tell you that the project is postponed indefinitely. After investing much time and money, I have come to learn the hard lesson that you cannot take people at their word. This criticism is not directed at any of the people receiving this message. On the contrary, all of my dealings with the people on these lists have been thoroughly enjoyable and very helpful. The length of the full story lends itself to a 20 page or so short story... all I will say is that ALL of the music I received was wonderful and I sincerely appreciated all submissions. I only wish that I were able to provide the spot- light that all of these talents deserve. Victor From ???@??? Thu Apr 03 19:53:03 1997 >From kflint Wed Apr 2 19:20:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wCd4w-0001hd-00; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 19:20:46 -0800 Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:11:39 -0600 (CST) From: Kim Corbet Subject: Re: Onion soup To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: <199704020922.BAA31668@dsp.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Ed0TAC.A.JUB.RFyQz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 19:20:46 -0800 X-UIDL: f63ae74c79f791687e8b5c15306b813f > LET'S HAVE THAT DAMN RECIPE, KIM C. !!! ........Having been raised up in Rooster Poot, Arkansas, I'm not sure everyone would like to venture into them parts...it starts with 2 jars of possum squeezins and a gone off persimmon. Bark and pepper to taste. For a complete recipe, send your requests on the back of a twenty to: Uncle Butt Cuisine Rt.1 Rooster Poot, Ar 72116 And we thank ya'll for it. From ???@??? Thu Apr 03 19:53:04 1997 >From kflint Wed Apr 2 20:21:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wCe1d-0005qw-00; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:21:25 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 22:22:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: ronault@mindspring.com (Ron Ault) Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Resent-Message-ID: <"Qt5IlC.A.2TF._-yQz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:21:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 7b0bd530849f1fada3cf2006e5dcaa84 At 5:49 PM 3/31/97, rmenger@groupz.net wrote: >I subcsribed to this list a few weeks ago and have really enjoyed reading >it....I had thought that i subscribed to the "digest" though...Is it >possible to get this in digest form? >Rich > >If you have an unpleasant nature and dislike people >this is no obstacle to work. > --J.G. Bennett try putting it in the blender, or maybe eat more roughage From ???@??? Fri Apr 04 03:25:06 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 3 20:26:00 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wD0Zb-0004JV-00; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 20:25:59 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 22:45:04 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: The Joy of Looping Resent-Message-ID: <"WsoozD.A.i1D.OJIRz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 20:25:59 -0800 X-UIDL: a2c64cd73271a81a02260e8828427a55 Ahhhhhh.... I know that most people on this list are very busy, I certainly know that I am. After the Philly Loop Show I was suppossed to be on vacation, well there was a problem. I had to work two days. Then my wife and I were off to the mountains of north Carolina for some R & R. We returned to other family obligations. My equipment still packed up. My other group has a gig this weekend, need to practice my acoustic. Staring at the packed up gear. And then on the eleventh day I set her up again...... AHhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ......bliss. It's so wonderful to set my looper's in motion. So peaceful......so freeing.... SO all of you busy folk. DON'T FORGET TO LOOP!!! Be it 'Plex, Jam Men. Boomerdangs,or Time Machine's...just let 'em whirl. Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~Patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Thu Apr 03 19:54:08 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 3 14:24:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wCuvy-000739-00; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:24:42 -0800 Message-ID: <33442D33.1042@mail.tds.net> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 17:20:35 -0500 From: Eric Edberg X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Boomerang Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CTmycD.A.XSG.c1CRz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:24:42 -0800 X-UIDL: 4b9125e160908f9f169ae5db9acd7d6f I just discovered the looper's delight page and I am a delighted looper-to-be). I'm a classcal and improvisational cellist. I've been totally acoustic up until lately. Some friends turned me on to the JamMan just as it dissapeared from the market. I've been trying to locate one for a while. I just heard about the Boomerang. Does anyone on this have one, and if so can you let me know what you think about it? I'm primarily interested in creating multi-layered backgrounds to solo over; sounds like the B. will do that. Also, any advice on where to FIND a JamMan? Thanks, Eric Edberg From ???@??? Thu Apr 03 19:54:13 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 3 14:52:39 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wCvMs-0001eA-00; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:52:30 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Boomerang Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:48:24 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 39 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: <"i8UOo.A.qQB.2PDRz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:52:30 -0800 X-UIDL: 5891bf3ae33a3a545df539a53b08032d -----quote---- >From: Eric Edberg >Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Sent: Thursday, April 3, 1997 10:20 PM >To: John_Ott@ATK.COM >Subject: Boomerang > >I just discovered the looper's delight page and I am a delighted >looper-to-be). I'm a classcal and improvisational cellist. I've been >totally acoustic up until lately. Some friends turned me on to the >JamMan just as it dissapeared from the market. I've been trying to >locate one for a while. > >I just heard about the Boomerang. Does anyone on this have one, and if >so can you let me know what you think about it? I'm primarily >interested in creating multi-layered backgrounds to solo over; sounds >like the B. will do that. > >Also, any advice on where to FIND a JamMan? > >Thanks, > >Eric Edberg --------end quote----- Musican Friend still has a few JamMen for $349 They had one "blemish" for $309 they are at http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ Thats where I got mine, good service. Some other mail order places may still have some. My local music stores were all out. later John > From ???@??? Thu Apr 03 19:54:15 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 3 15:22:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wCvpt-0004Os-00; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:22:29 -0800 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 18:19:34 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Boomerang In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"8o1SNC.A.e3D.LsDRz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:22:29 -0800 X-UIDL: a0bdc1bc0e792c56175888ae38fba8b6 On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Ott, John wrote: > Musican Friend still has a few JamMen for $349 > They had one "blemish" for $309 they are at It seems like MF never update their web database. I called about three weeks ago inquiring about the Jamman and they were all gone (including the blem). I've inquired about several of the blems that they list there and I've struck out on all of them. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Thu Apr 03 19:54:25 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 3 15:30:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wCvxQ-00059y-00; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:30:16 -0800 Message-ID: <33443C7A.2AE7@mail.tds.net> Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 18:25:47 -0500 From: Eric Edberg X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Musician's Friend References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"CxrAJ.A.ogE.yyDRz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:30:16 -0800 X-UIDL: 5fd149d3328f4690d6f1e723ef2e1386 Ott, John wrote: > > Musican Friend still has a few JamMen for $349 > They had one "blemish" for $309 they are at > > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ > > Thats where I got mine, good service. > Some other mail order places may still have > some. My local music stores were all out. > > later > John > > Musician's Friend is out as well. I had about 24 hours of false paradise, though, because last week bot a new one and a blem one were still listed on their website, which evidently has to be manually updated by them. I ordered a Jamman, but got a message the next day saying they were all gone. :-( Thanks for the suggestion, though. I've also tried the other mail-order houses (Rock 'n Rhythm, Daddy's, Manny's, etc.) I know of. Eric From ???@??? Thu Apr 03 19:54:35 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 3 16:07:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wCwX7-0000LC-00; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:07:09 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Musician's Friend Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 19:03:43 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 50 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: <"GqyWLB.A.SG.WWERz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:07:09 -0800 X-UIDL: b5a238e0d4020c786074b2b0aa116e04 Sorry for the false info. I would definitly demo a boomerang before buying one. I has a lower sampling rate than the Jamman or Echoplex, you might not be as happy. That was the only complaint in a otherwise pretty good review in last October's guitar player. They're online at http://www.enews.com/magazines/guitar_player/ However only the feature article is in the archive, Which was Los Lobos, you could order the back issueif you're interested. sorry John >---------- >From: Eric Edberg >Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Sent: Thursday, April 3, 1997 11:25 PM >To: John_Ott@ATK.COM >Subject: Musician's Friend > >Ott, John wrote: > >> >> Musican Friend still has a few JamMen for $349 >> They had one "blemish" for $309 they are at >> >> http://www.musiciansfriend.com/ >> >> Thats where I got mine, good service. >> Some other mail order places may still have >> some. My local music stores were all out. >> >> later >> John >> > > >Musician's Friend is out as well. I had about 24 hours of false >paradise, though, because last week bot a new one and a blem one were >still listed on their website, which evidently has to be manually >updated by them. I ordered a Jamman, but got a message the next day >saying they were all gone. :-( > >Thanks for the suggestion, though. I've also tried the other mail-order >houses (Rock 'n Rhythm, Daddy's, Manny's, etc.) I know of. > >Eric > > From ???@??? Fri Apr 04 03:25:12 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 3 23:25:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wD3N4-0007kb-00; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 23:25:14 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Apr 97 01:23 CST From: "kim corbet" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: POPmail 2.3b2 Resent-Message-ID: <"hEjeCD.A.FIH.WxKRz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 23:25:14 -0800 X-UIDL: e72145699f0b9e9822a4d89eb3e99a34 > I just heard about the Boomerang. Does anyone on this have one, and if > so can you let me know what you think about it? ........sounds like a job for Motley. Hey, Motley, you got your ears on, good buddy??? From ???@??? Fri Apr 04 03:25:13 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 3 23:32:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wD3UN-0000Qa-00; Thu, 3 Apr 1997 23:32:47 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Apr 97 01:31 CST From: "kim corbet" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: The Joy of Looping Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: POPmail 2.3b2 Resent-Message-ID: <"aDpCFD.A.KR.74KRz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 23:32:47 -0800 X-UIDL: 1444f6d40fd477b41ba0213fa2e4bfbd > SO all of you busy folk. DON'T FORGET TO LOOP!!! Be it 'Plex, Jam Men. > Boomerdangs,or Time Machine's...just let 'em whirl. ........................I was about to delete this fond greeting when I thought, you know, you're absolutely right. If I can't sleep or just when I'm about to log on, I often do myself a favor and stir a little loop to keep me company...tweaking now and just to let it know I'm still enjoying it. Loops are our friends. World peace is for dweebs. Visualize using your turn signal.kimosabe From ???@??? Fri Apr 04 03:25:15 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 4 01:04:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wD4um-0004Xk-00; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 01:04:08 -0800 Message-Id: <6765.199704040901@eeapp.gla.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:01:55 +0100 From: Michael Hughes To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"lE18pB.A.dJE.JOMRz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 01:04:08 -0800 X-UIDL: 5c5e4bc25401c4a2741ff2b131cc10c1 >I just discovered the looper's delight page and I am a delighted >looper-to-be). I'm a classcal and improvisational cellist. I've been >totally acoustic up until lately. Some friends turned me on to the >JamMan just as it dissapeared from the market. I've been trying to >locate one for a while. An open-minded chellist - wow! :) How do you fel about moving to Glasgow? Michael From ???@??? Fri Apr 04 09:48:54 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 4 05:51:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wD9P7-0005Xr-00; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 05:51:45 -0800 Message-Id: <9704041352.AA04571@beryllium.lexicon.com> Priority: urgent Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:24:00 -0500 From: "Hogan, Greg" Subject: RE: Boomerang To: Loopers-Delight X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Resent-Message-ID: <"Q0gPjD.A.-EF.-bQRz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 05:51:45 -0800 X-UIDL: 38ca018515a0fdc592029c14d78e1e63 >Also, any advice on where to FIND a JamMan? Try Pat's Music Center at 215-743-4766. From ???@??? Fri Apr 04 10:09:42 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 4 10:04:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wDDLV-0006ZQ-00; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:04:17 -0800 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:00:56 -0800 X-Sender: mgsam@wave.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Echoplex pro questions Resent-Message-ID: <"tinaTB.A.5uF.NGURz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:04:17 -0800 X-UIDL: 29d7af1745b63e389f5e7bf967c6f714 Hi Kim: Want to say first off that your web sight is fantastic. What a resource! Secondly, I was lucky enough to find a used Oberheim Echoplex Pro. I can't find a serial number on the box, but when I turn it on it appears to have software 3.0, which accoring to your FAQ would make it one of the earlier units. Question: Where and how can I get software updates? I will post some of my experiences with the Oberheim. I'm also a Jamman and Vortex fan, and I find the differences between all these cool boxes interesting to the extreme. Anyway, thanks for all the great work, and I look forward to hearing from you. Best, Kevin From ???@??? Fri Apr 04 22:22:57 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 4 11:04:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wDEHl-0004T8-00; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:04:29 -0800 Message-ID: <33455151.EF@crystalball.com> Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 13:06:57 -0600 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@crystalball.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Boomerang References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"brIy.A.a2D.R_URz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:04:29 -0800 X-UIDL: ca39cdbb6ea84793389773af1eb3fc09 kim corbet wrote: > > > I just heard about the Boomerang. Does anyone on this have one, and if > > so can you let me know what you think about it? > > ........sounds like a job for Motley. > > Hey, Motley, you got your ears on, good buddy??? Yes, you pitch-shifting, delay-drenched, distortion using, stomp box addicted, 'bone playing wild man, I've got my ear to the ground. But, I thought it would be more convincing if a customer threw out a personal tale of Rang usage. I have 2 Boomerang Phrase Samplers and I love them. The bass player/lead singer of the band I play with has 2 and he absolutley loves them. He's the 1996 Boomerang poster child. These people also have Boomerangs: Victor Wooten, Vernon Reid, Jake E. Lee, Matthew Sweet, Trey Gunn, Henry Kaiser, Howard Leese, ... Check our web page at http://www.netbutler.com/boomerang . Mike Nelson Co-owner of Boomerang Musical Products From ???@??? Fri Apr 04 22:23:22 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 4 13:48:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wDGqc-00022T-00; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 13:48:38 -0800 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 13:31:43 -0800 (PST) From: The Man Himself To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: No summit gig? OK... how 'bout a tour? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"pzhTjD.A.GnB.oZXRz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 13:48:39 -0800 X-UIDL: 2a64b4d9c88d650029a72efcc88ce715 Hello people -- It looks as if the notion of a West Coast loop show is inlikely to happen in the near future. (C'est la vie.) My jones for live looping remaining unsatisfied, however, I'm inclined to try a different tactic. I'm mulling over the possibility of trying to organize and set up a solo loop tour of the West Coast, probably starting in the San Diego area and running North through California and perhaps beyond. This is a *completely* uncharted area for me, but I think it would be quite an eye- and ear-opening experience. The main problem is that I've got no idea what sorts of venues are available in which cities that would be appropriate venues for this sort of thing. Which is where you people can help out. If anyone along the Pacific Coast can suggest some good places in their general area in which to try and organize some sort of concert, then I'd stand a better chance of trying to pull this off. So if any West Coasters (heh) can offer up suggestions for venues sympathetic to experimental music, from San Diego up to, say, Washington State, I'd *greatly* appreciate it. I have no idea if this will get past the pipe dream stage, and it likely won't come to fruition (if at all) until the mid- to late summer. But I'm still inclined to give it a whirl. So if there are any clubs, bars, owners, etc. etc. who I should be aware of, I'd very much like to know. So far the only notion I have is Nels Cline, who runs the new music night at the Alligator Lounge here in LA. Thanks for any assistance you can offer. Best, --Andre From ???@??? Fri Apr 04 22:23:43 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 4 16:18:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wDJBP-0006tc-00; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 16:18:15 -0800 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 19:13:34 -0500 (EST) From: BobbyZZZ@aol.com Message-ID: <970404191331_1683364964@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: No summit gig? OK... how 'bout a tour? Resent-Message-ID: <"R68zP.A.PJG.wlZRz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 16:18:15 -0800 X-UIDL: bb6143cf7370aefc574086af99363be0 In a message dated 4/4/97 5:51:12 PM, you wrote: >So if there are any clubs, bars, >owners, etc. etc. who I should be aware of, I'd very much like to know. >So far the only notion I have is Nels Cline, who runs the new music night >at the Alligator Lounge here in LA. > >Thanks for any assistance you can offer. Best, > >--Andre go for it andre!!!! people, get out there and support the crazy ones of us who actually want to tour! heck, you should try and get people to come out and perform with you, open for you or something..we all need to try and support one another! good luck with your tour, and go for it! bobby d/lvx nova From ???@??? Fri Apr 04 22:23:56 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 4 17:23:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wDKC5-0004xW-00; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 17:23:01 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 19:23:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: ronault@mindspring.com (Ron Ault) Subject: Re: Boomerang Resent-Message-ID: <"rfAGC.A.-dE.zjaRz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 17:23:01 -0800 X-UIDL: 79a1cafdfef6b3aff9d7688d3d4af874 how do you loop on the cello? do you use a pickup? or a mic? I play the fiddle a little bit and have a mic, (sure sm 75, i think). i never though of loopin' my fiddle...cats in the neighborh, beware. ron From ???@??? Fri Apr 04 22:23:46 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 4 16:44:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wDJaI-0001XS-00; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 16:43:58 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 16:36:54 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: No summit gig? OK... how 'bout a tour? Resent-Message-ID: <"QI6DTC.A.u2.h7ZRz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 16:43:58 -0800 X-UIDL: 49e544c157ebf25890c3dc7d72c10134 >Hello people -- > >It looks as if the notion of a West Coast loop show is inlikely to happen >in the near future. (C'est la vie.) My jones for live looping remaining >unsatisfied, however, I'm inclined to try a different tactic. > >I'm mulling over the possibility of trying to organize and set up a solo >loop tour of the West Coast, probably starting in the San Diego area and >running North through California and perhaps beyond. This is a >*completely* uncharted area for me, but I think it would be quite an eye- >and ear-opening experience. The main problem is that I've got no idea >what sorts of venues are available in which cities that would be >appropriate venues for this sort of thing. > >Which is where you people can help out. If anyone along the Pacific >Coast can suggest some good places in their general area in which to try >and organize some sort of concert, then I'd stand a better chance of >trying to pull this off. So if any West Coasters (heh) can offer up >suggestions for venues sympathetic to experimental music, from San Diego >up to, say, Washington State, I'd *greatly* appreciate it. > >I have no idea if this will get past the pipe dream stage, and it likely >won't come to fruition (if at all) until the mid- to late summer. But >I'm still inclined to give it a whirl. So if there are any clubs, bars, >owners, etc. etc. who I should be aware of, I'd very much like to know. >So far the only notion I have is Nels Cline, who runs the new music night >at the Alligator Lounge here in LA. > >Thanks for any assistance you can offer. Best, > >--Andre Hey Andre, I can help in Eugene and Portland, maybe even something in here Corvallis depending on how little you're willing to play for... Maybe we could do some stuff together, or my band could share a bill with you. Also, I could put you in touch with some people in Olympia and Seattle. I'm organizing some gigs for May/June right now, if these work out I can give you some better/clearer details. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel, NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: improv@peak.org self promotional web-site: http://www.peak.org/~improv/ "A squid eating dough in a polyethelene bag is fast and bulbous, got me?" -Captain Beefheart ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Fri Apr 04 22:24:03 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 4 18:26:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wDLBA-0001bc-00; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 18:26:08 -0800 Message-Id: <199704050223.SAA24469@mailtod-1.alma.webtv.net> From: inti@webtv.net (Carlos Carrillo) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 18:23:27 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: No summit gig? OK... how 'bout a tour? Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Resent-Message-ID: <"sh-9K.A.RTB.febRz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 18:26:08 -0800 X-UIDL: daae6410e8687649113d1441c2f36fc2 Spaceland in Silverlake, Los Angeles would be a great place to host such an event. The people in charge are very hip and supportive of different musical tendencies. The sound engineer's name is Michael Whitmore and their phone # is (213)634-7671. Please give them a call Carlos R. Carrillo From ???@??? Fri Apr 04 22:24:11 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 4 19:02:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wDLkK-0003kq-00; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 19:02:28 -0800 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 18:45:41 -0800 (PST) From: The Man Himself To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: No summit gig? OK... how 'bout a tour? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"uMfdyD.A.vTD.LAcRz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 19:02:28 -0800 X-UIDL: 1c730a7a3708c894667bb7a492793007 On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Dave Trenkel wrote: > Hey Andre, I can help in Eugene and Portland, maybe even something in here > Corvallis depending on how little you're willing to play for... > Maybe we could do some stuff together, or my band could share a bill with > you. Also, I could put you in touch with some people in Olympia and > Seattle. I'm organizing some gigs for May/June right now, if these work out > I can give you some better/clearer details. This raises another possibility -- rather than trying to stage a one-spot summit concert, we could try coordinating other loopists along the pathway up the coast, and I could attempt a rendezvous with them as I move north, so that at each stop (or at least some of them) there are different loopers to share the gig with. This would make things a lot easier logistically, as there would be some local support at some of the stops, and it would also help facilitate a more genre-specific gig (multiple loopists at one show makes a bit more sense than a solo guy making wierd sounds between top 40 and blues bands -- at least, in general, anyway). Thanks for the advice, Dave; let me know how the work goes in terms of the Seattle-area arangements. Anyone else interesting in trying to do show-by-show participations? Far be it from me to annoint myself the pied piper of loopography, but this might be a very interesting way of solving a variety of logistical problems... --Andre From ???@??? Fri Apr 04 22:24:15 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 4 21:46:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wDOJL-0005SB-00; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 21:46:47 -0800 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 21:46:14 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: No summit gig? OK... how 'bout a tour? Resent-Message-ID: <"YqpYKD.A.3-E.WbeRz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 21:46:47 -0800 X-UIDL: 58e409ae3578a7ca7ec80b4d2fe520f4 Hi Andre: A friend and I have a looping duo that has a regular second Friday of the month gig at a little place called Evo's coffee house right here in the town of Ashland, Oregon (pop. 17,000). We would love to have you sit in with us! Ashland is on the I-5 corridor and right across the border from California. Also, we're interested in playing other places north/south/east/and west as well, so if we can put together some kind of network of "looping friendly" cafes/bars/living rooms...whatever, then it could help all us left coasters know where the natives and managements are friendly. Incidentally, we loop for tips only at this point, so don't expect to make enough to run right out and buy another Echoplex. ;) Let us know when you'll be up. We're saving an input on the Mackie for you. Best, Kevin From ???@??? Sat Apr 05 12:43:19 1997 >From kflint Sat Apr 5 00:45:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wDR5z-00065m-00; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 00:45:11 -0800 Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 03:42:18 -0500 (EST) From: BobbyZZZ@aol.com Message-ID: <970405034216_1085643273@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: No summit gig? OK... how 'bout a tour? Resent-Message-ID: <"pL9q4B.A.WgF.hChRz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 00:45:11 -0800 X-UIDL: 2df48df9cdc92677b73d4a6701432ec2 In a message dated 4/5/97 3:30:02 AM, you wrote: > >Let us know when you'll be up. We're saving an input on the Mackie for you. > >Best, >Kevin > now THIS is brother/sisterhood!!! i'm proud of you all :-).....this is the way to network! bobby d/lvx nova From ???@??? Sat Apr 05 12:43:30 1997 >From kflint Sat Apr 5 09:27:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wDZF7-0005IL-00; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 09:27:09 -0800 Message-Id: <199704051720.MAA15892@nico.bway.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 12:25:47 -0500 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com From: dmgraph@bway.net (David Myers) Subject: unsubscribe Resent-Message-ID: <"jme_iC.A.q1E.3roRz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 09:27:09 -0800 X-UIDL: 14ebb6eeb98943900b6cfd97b1ed9912 Unsubscribe. Thanks all--must take some time off now, can't keep up with all the mail. Will check in with the archives until I sign back on. DM From ???@??? Sat Apr 05 17:33:55 1997 >From kflint Sat Apr 5 16:24:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wDflL-0000Vb-00; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 16:24:51 -0800 Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 16:07:57 -0800 (PST) From: The Man Himself To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: No summit gig? OK... how 'bout a tour? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"UeKMaB.A.wR.zyuRz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 16:24:51 -0800 X-UIDL: bfb9652cda433a28823ea48800099153 Hi Kevin -- Thanks very much for the invitation -- sounds like a very promising start to things. I'll definitely keep the second Fridays of the months in mind as the time draws nearer (whenever that time happens to be -- probably July, I'm guessing.) Damn -- this thing might actually happen! Time to check the oil on the car... Best, --Andre From ???@??? Sat Apr 05 17:33:57 1997 >From kflint Sat Apr 5 16:29:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wDfpS-0000q8-00; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 16:29:06 -0800 Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 16:28:09 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: No summit gig? OK... how 'bout a tour? Resent-Message-ID: <"p8Tz2.A.vp.M3uRz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 16:29:06 -0800 X-UIDL: 95874df891ccde33b79e5a85fc25b233 Andre, I forgot to ask, what is it you play -- I mean besides the loopers... From ???@??? Sat Apr 05 23:15:12 1997 >From kflint Sat Apr 5 21:33:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wDkZd-0005cR-00; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 21:33:05 -0800 Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 00:30:01 -0500 (EST) From: WBrake@aol.com Message-ID: <970406003000_-900795488@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: remove Resent-Message-ID: <"uMhP8.A.LJF.QUzRz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 21:33:05 -0800 X-UIDL: f31d43fd6bdf6048e30431c93b2d1906 remove wbrake@aol.com From ???@??? Sat Apr 05 23:31:14 1997 >From kflint Sat Apr 5 23:28:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wDmNF-0002DR-00; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 23:28:25 -0800 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 23:21:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) Subject: Re: Echoplex pro questions Resent-Message-ID: <"WDGUu.A.B6B.t-0Rz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 23:28:25 -0800 X-UIDL: 58f4e4e5dc083b78a7dd379cceaac6ee Status: O X-Status: At 10:00 AM 4/4/97, mgsam@wave.net wrote: >Hi Kim: > >Secondly, I was lucky enough to find a used Oberheim Echoplex Pro. I can't >find a serial number on the box, but when I turn it on it appears to have >software 3.0, which accoring to your FAQ would make it one of the earlier >units. Question: Where and how can I get software updates? The LD3.3.2 version, which the vast majority have shipped with, should be easily available from Oberheim. 510-635-9633. You might want to wait a few weeks, just in case another version is about to come out. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sun Apr 06 10:42:26 1997 >From kflint Sun Apr 6 10:53:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wDw88-0002uW-00; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 10:53:28 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 09:49:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: efisch@artnet.net (Eric R. Fischer) Subject: Re: No summit gig? OK... how 'bout a tour? Resent-Message-ID: <"iCHWUD.A.0kC.9J-Rz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 10:53:28 -0700 X-UIDL: e880355656459e8c48038ef8bad80d9e I've been kinda lurking on this list up to now, but I just had to jump in. I'm an LA guitarist, Recording Engineer & Loopist (Echoplex, Boogie, Roland GR300 & 700, Steinberger.....). I'm intrigued by the idea of a west coast show and or tour and wanted to let Andre and all west coasters know you have another in your ranks! People have mentioned Spaceland and Mon. night at the Alligator-those would be my 2 best suggestions also. Please feel free to email me personally for any future questions and or coordinations. LOOP ON Brothers!! ("huh, whu?" - Walter Cronkite in response to Stuttering John) From ???@??? Mon Apr 07 00:02:45 1997 >From kflint Sun Apr 6 19:55:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wE4as-0005Si-00; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 19:55:42 -0700 Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 19:37:56 -0700 (PDT) From: The Man Himself To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: On tour part II: The stylistic frontier In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"6YBOrD.A.O8E.8FGSz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 19:55:42 -0700 X-UIDL: 82a543f110db70fdd400048cc1e1eef4 ('scuse the header...) On Sat, 5 Apr 1997 mgsam@wave.net wrote: > Andre, I forgot to ask, what is it you play -- I mean besides the loopers... Oh yeah... *that* issue. ;-/ Do you mean equipment-wise or stylistically? Gear will probably be the following signal path: guitar - ebow - whammy pedal - echoplex - vortex - stereo guitar amp - two 2-12 speaker cabs, with a seperate feed going into a "straight" guitar amp, i.e. whatever I can cram into the trunk and back seat of my Chevy. Genre? Good question; I'm still figuring that one out myself. Pretty much everything from abrasive, confrontational shards of sound to subdued "ambient" meditations and pseudo-Indian drone dealies. I'm also edging my way slowly but surely towards a "cut and paste" approach using the multiply and insert features on the Echoplex. In my eternal inability to go BEYOND FRIPP, I subscribe to the notion of taking the time and localle of a performance into account, so you needn't worry about my subjecting a coffeehouse crowd of small-town Oregon citizens to a sensory overload of abstract atonal industrialisms whilst I holler forth various and sundry selections of my favorite Edgar Allan Poe and William S. Burroughs writings atop the whole cacophonous din, guitar splayed face-down on the floor all the while (unless you think that might be a good idea, of course). Part of the reason I'm interested in more public performance, be it a summit show or a tour, is that I want to see where my own looping work fits in alongside other people's. I've just finished compiling some solo recordings, and I'm stymied by the fact that I have very little idea how it rates in terms of other loopists' efforts. All I know is that it doesn't sound (very much) like Fripp or Torn. So a big part of my interest in more multi-artist gigs is in seeing other people doing their thing, and getting a better sense of how many different ways the same fundamental technique can be varied depending on specific instrumentation, stylistic background, etc. etc. So again, Kevin, if this is a quiet, sedate sort of gig we're talking about, I won't go spewing sonic gunfire all over the audience. I'll save that for a downtown LA gig... --Andre From ???@??? Mon Apr 07 00:02:55 1997 >From kflint Sun Apr 6 20:18:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wE4ww-0006hW-00; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 20:18:30 -0700 Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 20:18:09 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: On tour part II: The stylistic frontier Resent-Message-ID: <"Ab51wC.A.XKG.ZcGSz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 20:18:30 -0700 X-UIDL: 0e8e9923d6015955e8e2ddbf2926b5b5 Dear A: Are you kidding? You think we bring loopers up from LA so they can sing campfire songs? Let it rip, babe... Kevin From ???@??? Mon Apr 07 00:02:56 1997 >From kflint Sun Apr 6 21:43:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wE6Gv-0003YV-00; Sun, 6 Apr 1997 21:43:13 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 22:43:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: ronault@mindspring.com (Ron Ault) Subject: Please Remove Resent-Message-ID: <"04o0c.A.PJD.FrHSz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 21:43:13 -0700 X-UIDL: 78edbd0c834dd12df322ad103487dda8 Please remove. thank you for all the helpful info with my Boomerang. I can't keep up with all the mail, but I will check in from time to time. THANKS AGAIN! Ron Ault From ???@??? Mon Apr 07 18:13:12 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 7 09:59:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wEHlg-0002AD-00; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:59:44 -0700 Message-Id: <199704071656.JAA31586@scv3.apple.com> Subject: Looping gig in Austin Date: Mon, 7 Apr 97 11:53:54 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"1_DiuB.A.FnB.paSSz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:59:44 -0700 X-UIDL: a0c1d9bf86d3c056d091c44adc2a1588 For anyone in the Austin, Texas area, Jon Morris and I will be playing a looping show at the Electric Lounge (302 Bowie) on Thursday, the 17th, starting at 9:30 PM. We'll be playing for an hour or 90 minutes (billed as Tiktok), depending on how quickly the main acts can get their rigs together. We'll be playing in the Elbow Room/Lounge section, not on the the main stage, so feel free to drop by and enjoy some two-man looping improvisations. Cover will be either $3 or $5, and they never give me accurate information before hand. There will be four "bands" playing later that night, of the "electronic" variety (according to the booker), which given the current climate probably means something dancey, like Aphex Twin, or angry, like NIN. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Mon Apr 07 18:12:47 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 7 07:53:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wEFns-0000ur-00; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 07:53:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199704071449.PAA17227@larry.web-plus.co.uk> From: "bocs" To: Subject: echoplex england Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:50:32 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"ud5HdB.A.Sm.gmQSz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 07:53:52 -0700 X-UIDL: 20b4230cbd8865e8068bda08236c8d32 ---------- > From: Andrew@bocs.com > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Echoplex England Anyone know the best place to get hold of an echoplex in England ? Any maybe an idea of price. I've not had much luck in London Central. From ???@??? Mon Apr 07 18:12:50 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 7 08:11:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wEG4g-000257-00; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:11:14 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 10:06:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199704071506.KAA12126@dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com> From: erwill@ix.netcom.com (James E Williamson) Subject: Calling all central Illinois loopeople!!! To: "Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Just wanted to tell everybody who might be in the area": I'll.be@ix.netcom.com Resent-Message-ID: <"-GKTTC.A.esB.02QSz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:11:14 -0700 X-UIDL: 38b7db5f3f1abf4e5556d9cee0b16895 playing every Sunday afternoon at a coffee shop in Peoria. The Peoria Wine and Coffee Works, adjacent to the Pizza Works in Peoria Heights. I play classic synth-based loopmusik, based (unfortunately) around a five-year old RDS-8000. Here's a kitlist: -Roland xp80 synth -Roland juno6 synth -Digitech rds8k (7.6sec delay box) -Lexicon Vortex -Peavey Spectrum Synth -Peavey Spectrum Organ -Mackie 1202 mixer -Rolls CV expression pedal I've had an Echoplex on order for the past 7 months, and need to get a used Jamman too. I only use patches I program myself (which means I don't use the Peavey stuff much, as I don't have the programmer for it), which generally tend to be pure tones, with liberal use of the volume pedal and portamento. I also have a jazz fusion quintet, Cold Fusion, who are still looking for a place to play. We play 'space jazz', trying to bridge the gap between jazz and ambient, trying to work in a little Booker T and Sly Stone on the way. Thanks... -- James Eric Williamson - erwill@ix.netcom.com - erwill@heartland.bradley.edu One of Peoria's most obscure ambient blues musicians From ???@??? Mon Apr 07 18:12:53 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 7 08:31:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wEGO2-0003Kd-00; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:31:14 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:26:22 -0400 (EDT) From: KILLINFO@aol.com Message-ID: <970407112620_-800083392@emout03.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: No summit gig? OK... how 'bout a tour? Resent-Message-ID: <"gqjOlB.A.02C.aJRSz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:31:14 -0700 X-UIDL: 44ad773fc54eeb6bb21a74adab978792 Andre, 'Tis a bit early for me to be suggesting appropriate venues in the Medford/Ashland, Oregon area (since I moved here only five days ago. But, if I come up with something I'll be sure to let you know. BYW, did you ever get ahold of Nels Cline about gigging at the Allegator Lounge? Best regards, Ted From ???@??? Mon Apr 07 18:13:15 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 7 10:07:01 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wEHse-0002jM-00; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 10:06:56 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:01:14 -0400 (EDT) From: AntiFret@aol.com Message-ID: <970407130113_-735951812@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: used gear anyone selling any? Resent-Message-ID: <"OOnAL.A.1OC.kiSSz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 10:06:56 -0700 X-UIDL: 35af1f65be2355c5aa898b917369c96e anyone got any old stuff or just stuff theyre trying to unload? like a JamMan? or any low cost looper? ( i am firm believer in used and second hand swag ) thanks for all of your time....Pearson From ???@??? Mon Apr 07 21:14:03 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 7 20:34:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wERfb-0006V4-00; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 20:34:07 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:19:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Another new DOD pedal Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"q5Yca.A.F0F.wvbSz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 20:34:07 -0700 X-UIDL: b70531ef833824b35072efd75b1ed2cd I just received the new catalog from Veneman's in Rockville, MD. They have a new DOD pedal model FX-96 which claims to sport a classic analog tape delay sound. No mention of max delay time. Runs $95. Anyone seen one of these or have any info? -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Mon Apr 07 18:14:35 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 7 16:31:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wENt0-00050t-00; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:31:42 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:25:22 -0400 (EDT) From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <970407192324_1454425287@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JamMan, hidden function. Resent-Message-ID: <"hvG10.A.kNE.lKYSz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:31:42 -0700 X-UIDL: f662a2f321c85fa0c858510d15c4c03f Here's a JamMan trick that isn't in the manual. First go into diagnostic mode.( Hold down reset/bypass & function during power up, until a "d" appears). Now turn Mode(Echo/loop/sample) control until "13" appears. Hit rest/bypass, a "4" should appear. Hit rest/bypass again, you'll get a very loud tone which I think is A440Hz. My guitar tuner says it's spot on. If anyone out there knows why it does this I'd be interested, also any other tricks of a similar nature for the JamMan, Vortex or Alex. .................Andy Butler. From ???@??? Tue Apr 08 07:20:40 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 8 03:31:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wEYB8-0005x7-00; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 03:31:06 -0700 Message-Id: <6902.199704081028@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:28:19 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Del...ays. Resent-Message-ID: <"HatPqB.A.deF.92hSz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 03:31:06 -0700 X-UIDL: 89e18c5d990c322f754f95986c622b48 >I just received the new catalog from Veneman's in Rockville, MD. They have >a new DOD pedal model FX-96 which claims to sport a classic analog tape >delay sound. No mention of max delay time. Runs $95. Anyone seen one of >these or have any info? I've been using the DOD ADL (FX81?) for years now, and the sound is damned close to a tape delay. Only problem is the total dly time, which runs to about 300ms. Speaking of delays, is it me or does the new Symmetrix 606 (see ad in latest EQ) read like a Vortex, but better implemented? I mean, a delay-based FX box with really wierd mod options, but with MIDI.... Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Tue Apr 08 18:06:16 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 8 08:26:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wEcmt-0001yS-00; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:26:23 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 11:22:39 -0400 (EDT) From: KemMc@aol.com Message-ID: <970408112157_-1067500737@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: go forth and multiply Resent-Message-ID: <"VavGTB.A.6nB.zLmSz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:26:23 -0700 X-UIDL: 1dc9c6fcc8697acd728ae1e083e25441 Kim, In the Echoplex manual there is a mention of how to add to or remove loops that have been multiplied. Can't seem to figure it out. Can you explain how to remove multi 3 of a loop mutilplied 3 times and then how to add a different multi 3 back to that same loop, and does "next loop" command work to change to the next multi.of say a loop with 3 multi. Was that a hint that new softwear for the plex is coming soon , in the last post. thanks Kem McNair KemMc@ aol.con From ???@??? Tue Apr 08 18:07:48 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 8 15:56:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wEjoB-0007Y8-00; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:56:11 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 18:33:57 -0400 (EDT) From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: <970408183242_547295108@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Another new DOD pedal Resent-Message-ID: <"i723H.A.hpG.ZusSz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 15:56:11 -0700 X-UIDL: c076590d0db56c6e7af72fbe6bb4ab16 check out the May issue of Guitar Player magazine... as usual, a very informative article on pedals by cool pedal-guru Joe Gore... this box was mentioned... From ???@??? Wed Apr 09 09:22:28 1997 >From kflint Wed Apr 9 07:30:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wEyOE-0007Co-00; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:30:22 -0700 Message-Id: <199704091425.AA28786@internet-mail2.ford.com> From: "Steven R. Murrell" To: "'Loop'" , "'Stickwire (discussion)'" Subject: Rack mounted Mixer Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:26:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"2C_PH.A.kYG.1a6Sz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 07:30:22 -0700 X-UIDL: b874f3ebb0ae2faf1c3015e53276f012 Could anyone recommend a good RACK-MOUNTED MIXER with two or more Aux/Effects Sends (pre-fader) and 8 or more inputs. This would be used for a MIDIfied Stick w/ effects, etc. From ???@??? Wed Apr 09 09:22:34 1997 >From kflint Wed Apr 9 08:11:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wEz21-0002As-00; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:11:29 -0700 Message-ID: <014CB98EB81ED011B3E900805FE2D47A5B8FD4@X01SCHCORPGE> From: "Mascarini, Rick (CORP)" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Rack mounted Mixer Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:06:06 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Resent-Message-ID: <"qHpuE.A.GoB.xB7Sz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:11:29 -0700 X-UIDL: 6ad62023c45246843d66834ab0c81db4 Steve, I would recommend the Fostex rack mounted (2 spaces) line mixer - configured either 8 or 16 chann. I think the model is a 1216 (??) or something like that. I purchased mine from AMS (American Music Supply) catalog sales for @279.00 last December. Works great!! Regards. Rick Mascarini GE GSO/Information Delivery Services Voice & Fax: 8*235.5187, 518.385.2394 > ---------- > From: Steven R. Murrell[SMTP:smurrell@ford.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 1997 10:25 AM > To: Mascarini, Rick (CORP) > Subject: Rack mounted Mixer > > Could anyone recommend a good RACK-MOUNTED MIXER with two or more > Aux/Effects Sends (pre-fader) and 8 or more inputs. This would be > used for a MIDIfied Stick w/ effects, etc. > From ???@??? Wed Apr 09 23:24:40 1997 >From kflint Wed Apr 9 22:55:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wF30t-00069Q-00; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:26:35 -0700 From: sarajane@tmbsbbs.com (Sarajane) Subject: visual looping Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:20:44 GMT Message-Id: <97040913000799@tmbsbbs.com> Organization: The Malibu Bikini Shop BBS - 303.772.8549 - 28.8 To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"JTYAjD.A.QkF.yy-Sz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:26:35 -0700 X-UIDL: f526927f030b920bbc70eae4fe799e48 Dear Loopers, Usually I lurk behind Bryan while reading this group, but I did wish to respond to the "visual looping" query. I'm Sarajane, and I work in polymer clays. Like some of you, my work is non-electric, manual formation of repetitive patterns. I use a process called caning, in which colored clays are placed to form visual images, then squeezed and manipulated into a long tube of clay, which can be sliced to form hundreds of intricate repititions. These repeat images can be further manipulated, distorted, cut, or added to, used to build further patterns in progressions...sound familiar? We have used some of my polymer work make visual images for Bryan, and Dave Stafford's, use as tape cover art, t shirts (well, two of 'em) and there is a mosaic piece (using thousands of sliced pieces) on the Bindlestiff website that is a fully encrusted and beaded guitar. (Bryan says its's some of his best work on guitar. Certainly it is the loudest.) There is a certain synchronicity between this loopgroup and the polyclay group that I also read...everything from the "art-vs-entertainment" thread to the superiority of convection ovens when baking plastics has an audio- to- visual equivalent.... Thank you all for being such an interesting group to read. Sarajane Helm From ???@??? Wed Apr 09 10:56:32 1997 >From kflint Wed Apr 9 10:18:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wF10b-0004Gu-00; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:18:09 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 97 12:32:25 -0400 From: "" Message-Id: <9704091632.AA25373@lucille.Princeton.EDU> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: delta-lab echotron Resent-Message-ID: <"M7BYeB.A.BmD.q38Sz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:18:09 -0700 X-UIDL: 77f90959420dfaff7ba589ef3fdd51df Hello, Does anybody know how to hack an ADM4096 to add more memory or features? (or know a technician that could?) I opened it up and it looks like its using 16 chips soldered into the board for its current 4 sec delay time (chips say "MOSTEK 8328 MK4564N-20"). Is Deltalab still in business? if so does anyone have their number? thanks! Curtis Bahn crb@music.princeton.edu From ???@??? Wed Apr 09 10:56:43 1997 >From kflint Wed Apr 9 10:57:42 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wF1ck-0007Id-00; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:57:34 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Ott, John" To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Another new DOD pedal Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 13:48:41 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 19 TEXT Resent-Message-ID: <"Lc-1n.A.2UG.Eb9Sz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 10:57:34 -0700 X-UIDL: f832aea7b79adc7650a5c56ee906978f ---quote--- >From: RA336@aol.com >Reply To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 1997 11:33 PM >To: John_Ott@ATK.COM >Subject: Re: Another new DOD pedal > >check out the May issue of Guitar Player magazine... as usual, a very >informative article on pedals by cool pedal-guru Joe Gore... >this box was mentioned... >---end quote--- > I've not recieve my may issue yet. So how many seconds does it have? I now the FX-94 has 4 seconds. What about the FX-96? (It 's not on their web page yet) later >John From ???@??? Wed Apr 09 23:23:29 1997 >From kflint Wed Apr 9 11:07:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wF1lv-0000C5-00; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:07:03 -0700 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 14:00:56 -0400 From: "Robert S. Carter" Subject: Re: Rack mounted Mixer To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Reply-to: rsc4@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu Message-id: <334BD958.A33@hmivax.humgen.upenn.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: Resent-Message-ID: <"4tolh.A.xHH.4l9Sz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:07:03 -0700 X-UIDL: ac6ac28f443af18c8023c7499c43485d > Could anyone recommend a good RACK-MOUNTED MIXER with two or more = > Aux/Effects Sends (pre-fader) and 8 or more inputs. This would be used = > for a MIDIfied Stick w/ effects, etc. I'm hard pressed to think of any smaller mixers with two pre-fader sends. However, in addition to a single pre-fader send (monitor), mixers in the style of the Mackie 1202 and 1604 or rackmountable LM3204 have a switchable stereo Aux buss which might substitute for a pre-fader send depending on your needs (for example, hit a switch to route your signal to the LOOPING buss). Mackie also provides schematics for modifications which may include moving an aux send from post to pre. BOB. From ???@??? Wed Apr 09 23:23:37 1997 >From kflint Wed Apr 9 11:48:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wF2Pd-0003WM-00; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:48:05 -0700 Message-ID: <334BE534.310F@crystalball.com> Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 13:51:32 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@crystalball.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Rack mounted Mixer References: <199704091425.AA28786@internet-mail2.ford.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"SgKTmB.A.ZCD.UO-Sz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 11:48:05 -0700 X-UIDL: 98e8aff10f3338b9c7f7f5a13889a71e Steven R. Murrell wrote: > Could anyone recommend a good RACK-MOUNTED MIXER with two or more > Aux/Effects Sends (pre-fader) and 8 or more inputs. This would be > used for a MIDIfied Stick w/ effects, etc. Absolutely. Mackie 1604. I have one in my home studio and it sounds good and is loaded with features/quality for the price. I think used ones go for $500-$700. Check out their other models, too. Motley From ???@??? Wed Apr 09 23:24:29 1997 >From kflint Wed Apr 9 19:52:16 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wF3IN-0007Ok-00; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:44:39 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:27:31 -0400 (EDT) From: MiqSk8@aol.com Message-ID: <970409152657_-1301927313@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Rack mounted Mixer Resent-Message-ID: <"UY0xK.A.bwG.6D_Sz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 12:44:39 -0700 X-UIDL: f980eb5a78d35124891cc1b45df02bbe In a message dated 97-04-09 15:01:35 EDT, Mikell D. Nelson wrote: << Absolutely. Mackie 1604. >> i second that motion. we just got a 1604vlz for church and it's ample. very clean. sweepable mids and tons of routing/monitoring options. and with the rotopod you can mount/patch just about anyway you'd like, and if you change your mind down the road, no problem. however it does not have global eq or any effects of it's own. From ???@??? Thu Apr 10 00:47:37 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 10 00:30:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wFB4G-0004Qz-00; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:02:36 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:58:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Kim Corbet Subject: Re: Rack mounted Mixer To: "Mikell D. Nelson" cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: <334BE534.310F@crystalball.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"3l_OaC.A.NCE.SXGTz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 21:02:37 -0700 X-UIDL: 60f0c742dbb1041a809857dd5529afa9 > Absolutely. Mackie 1604. I have one in my home studio and it sounds > good and is loaded with features/quality for the price. I think used > ones go for $500-$700. Check out their other models, too. (hey, motmonster)....Mackie's the real deal. I have both 1604 for studio or big pa stuff and the 1402 for personal rig needs. I would think they have rack hardware available for the 1402...I bought a rack box specifically for the 1604 and have been very happy with it in all applications. The 1402 was $475 new...the 1604 was used for $650. From ???@??? Thu Apr 10 09:16:13 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 10 01:37:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wFCCi-0001Q3-00; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:15:24 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:06:35 -0400 (EDT) From: MiqSk8@aol.com Message-ID: <970409170551_547408054@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: visual looping Resent-Message-ID: <"2EnxMC.A.eOB.GcHTz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 22:15:25 -0700 X-UIDL: 53d6333c2332db22feba48756b9092d1 synchronicity raising it's head again... i loop and my wife is a dedicated "fimette"(polymer clay manipulator). very wild! From ???@??? Thu Apr 10 09:16:10 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 10 01:07:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wFANd-0001Z7-00; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:18:33 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:07:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: delta-lab echotron In-Reply-To: <9704091632.AA25373@lucille.Princeton.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"va8sMC.A.TUB.wtFTz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 20:18:33 -0700 X-UIDL: b94d2b3b685e1144c40eeddc97639a86 On Wed, 9 Apr 1997, wrote: > > Hello, > > Does anybody know how to hack an ADM4096 to add more memory or > features? (or know a technician that could?) I opened it up and > it looks like its using 16 chips soldered into the board for its > current 4 sec delay time (chips say "MOSTEK 8328 MK4564N-20"). I'd be VERY leery of trying such an operation. Old equipment like the Echotron is generally a one-off affair, and not meant to be upgraded. Unless you have some explicit reason for wanting to upgrade the Echotron (like its user interface, or superior sound quality), I'd say spend your money on a JamMan or some other long delay instead. Toying with the innards of the Echotron may well destroy it, since it probably has a number of static-sensitive MOSFET digital circuits. > Is Deltalab still in business? if so does anyone have their number? Nope, they went out of business many years ago. Your Echotron is a genuine vintage device now. Enjoy it... I have one myself, and I prefer its sound over supposedly higher-fidelity modern devices. -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Wed Apr 09 23:24:19 1997 >From kflint Wed Apr 9 16:46:23 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wF4fM-00055X-00; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:12:28 -0700 Message-Id: <9704092106.AA21145@beryllium.lexicon.com> Priority: urgent Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 17:48:00 -0400 From: "Hogan, Greg" Subject: RE: delta-lab echotron To: Loopers-Delight X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Resent-Message-ID: <"T7Gxk.A.pjE.cVATz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:12:28 -0700 X-UIDL: 21147b6bcfc52ef1a9f9e1d07705f4b8 Cutis Bahn asked"Is Deltalab still in business?" The answer is no. From ???@??? Thu Apr 10 00:47:46 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 10 00:41:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wFETu-00041i-00; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:41:18 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:34:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) Subject: Re: delta-lab echotron Resent-Message-ID: <"JcSsLD.A.9gD.GjJTz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 00:41:18 -0700 X-UIDL: 01cb06ebaf5dad70d9546a7a8f42d570 >Hello, > >Does anybody know how to hack an ADM4096 to add more memory or >features? (or know a technician that could?) I opened it up and >it looks like its using 16 chips soldered into the board for its >current 4 sec delay time (chips say "MOSTEK 8328 MK4564N-20"). > The Mostek parts are DRAMs. from the part number, probably 200ns, 64kbit. I found an interesting mini history about mostek on the web page of a former employee: http://www.keller.com/~mff/mostek.html They invented DRAM and went out of business when the price had dropped so low by the mid-80's. Life in the computer biz.... You almost certainly won't find those parts anywhere, unless you pull them out of some other old junk. As far as expansion, it would be interesting to find a schematic of the echotron and take a look. It probably is not as simple as simply adding more memory chips. You would probably need to hack some other logic in there for addressing and such. Even then it might not be possible, or worth it. It is worth taking a look though. Anyone know where a schematic for this beast might be had? Surely there are some old deltalabs employees floating around? kim >Is Deltalab still in business? if so does anyone have their number? > >thanks! >Curtis Bahn >crb@music.princeton.edu ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Thu Apr 10 09:58:37 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 10 09:24:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wFMdk-00066U-00; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:24:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199704101619.JAA08352@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: delta-lab echotron Date: Thu, 10 Apr 97 11:17:50 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"u11uxC.A.eTF.6KRTz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:24:00 -0700 X-UIDL: 499c248d0420e11f471a168c736a300d > Anyone know where a schematic for >this beast might be had? There's a Echotron for sale at the co-op where I practice, which does have the original documentation. I'll have a look tonight to see what info they included. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Thu Apr 10 09:16:20 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 10 06:50:04 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wFKEk-0003tF-00; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 06:50:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 09:44:46 -0400 (EDT) From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: <970410094429_-1234711872@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: clay looping Resent-Message-ID: <"2zg2EB.A.CbD.A8OTz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 06:50:02 -0700 X-UIDL: d1e3e53b4c26958af0dc3fd57e863bf5 Sarajane you wrote: > I use a process called caning, in which colored >clays are >placed to form visual images, then squeezed and manipulated >into a long > tube of clay, which can be sliced to form hundreds of >intricate repititions. - this sounds alot like the technique I saw being used by a ceramicist named Jane Peiser while I was studying at Penland. Did you go there, or pick up your technique elsewhere, or stumble upon it yourself? best RA From ???@??? Thu Apr 10 22:26:30 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 10 11:27:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wFOZ6-0007Ui-00; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:27:20 -0700 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:12:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Another new DOD pedal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"eJWk9D.A.BnG.T-STz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:27:20 -0700 X-UIDL: d9d60d2e324feb2e6e2c4724ca0a2f52 On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Adam Levin wrote: > I just received the new catalog from Veneman's in Rockville, MD. They have > a new DOD pedal model FX-96 which claims to sport a classic analog tape > delay sound. No mention of max delay time. Runs $95. Anyone seen one of > these or have any info? Just as a follow up, I had to pick up some equipment out near Veneman's today. They don't have this box in stock yet and the salesman didn't know the specs. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Thu Apr 10 22:26:52 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 10 16:46:06 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wFTXL-0007at-00; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:45:51 -0700 Message-Id: <9704102121.AA25676@beryllium.lexicon.com> Priority: urgent Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 15:42:00 -0400 From: "Sellon, Bob" Subject: RE: delta-lab echotron To: Loopers-Delight X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Resent-Message-ID: <"g5xseD.A.AsG.HpXTz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:45:51 -0700 X-UIDL: de8a5e270e42a855d35c3b22075befbc Curtis, You are in luck. It turns out that, way Delta Lab implemented their delay lines makes it quite easy to expand the memory. In Delta Lab products, the A-D converters spit out a single serial stream of 1s and 0s which is fed to the memory chips sequentially (into the first chip, out of the first chip into the second chip, etc..). On the simpler products, they derive their delay times by simply tapping off the serial data stream between the memory chips or at the output of the last chip. To expand the memory, you simply add more memory chips in the chain. There is a cheat you can use to add the memory chips as well, though it's not very pretty. Get some additional memory chips of the same type and lift pins 2 and 14 so they are sticking straight out of the side of the chip. Place the new chips on top of the existing chips, soldering all of the pins of the new chip to the same pins of the chip it is sitting on. You then connect the input (pin 2) and outputs (pin 14) of each of the new chips together forming a chain. Then all you have to do is connect a wire from the output of the last original chip to the input of the first new chip to add the new chips into the existing chain. The last step is to change the data stream that is feeding the AD converter. This is usually the output from one of memory chips in the chain selected by an electronic or mechanical switch. You can brute force it here to permanently add in the new memory by cutting the etch coming from the last original chip and routing it to the new last chip in the chain. The other alternative is to add another selector switch of some sort. I'm not interested in doing this kind of work myself but I do have schematics and would be willing to send someone a copy and walk them through it. Let me know. Also, I am in the process of putting together a web site that will include procedures for various mods I have done including this one. I'll send a message around when it is operational. Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec phone: 617-280-0395 (days) 508-670-6098 (evenings (preferred)) bsellon@lexicon.com ---------- From: Loopers-Delight[SMTP:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 1997 4:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight Subject: delta-lab echotron Hello, Does anybody know how to hack an ADM4096 to add more memory or features? (or know a technician that could?) I opened it up and it looks like its using 16 chips soldered into the board for its current 4 sec delay time (chips say "MOSTEK 8328 MK4564N-20"). Is Deltalab still in business? if so does anyone have their number? thanks! Curtis Bahn crb@music.princeton.edu From ???@??? Thu Apr 10 22:27:12 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 10 20:50:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wFTTS-0007Hu-00; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:41:50 -0700 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:07:00 -0400 (EDT) From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <970410180516_1951387259@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: visual looping Resent-Message-ID: <"_gPUs.A.gXG.NlXTz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 16:41:50 -0700 X-UIDL: b4562e846b79854c84b12f2d0dd074bd How about pointing a video camera at it's own monitor screen then? From ???@??? Fri Apr 11 01:32:04 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 10 22:36:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wFWV1-0000mj-00; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:55:39 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 18:12:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: improv@peak.org (Dave Trenkel) Subject: Re: visual looping Resent-Message-ID: <"KEoWAB.A.bE.FZaTz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:55:39 -0700 X-UIDL: 3c2bb21c51be7ea019794350e5c3e0bc >How about pointing a video camera at it's own monitor screen then? Hey, I've got about 2 hours of that on tape. Great stuff! I'm in the midst of dumping it into the computer and editing the best parts in Premiere. Very cool, especially if you slow it way down. ________________________________________________________ Dave Trenkel, NEW EMAIL ADDRESS: improv@peak.org self promotional web-site: http://www.peak.org/~improv/ "A squid eating dough in a polyethelene bag is fast and bulbous, got me?" -Captain Beefheart ________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Fri Apr 11 09:23:50 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 11 01:49:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wFc1F-0004DK-00; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:49:17 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:43:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) Subject: RE: delta-lab echotron Resent-Message-ID: <"hJMvHB.A.g0D.mpfTz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:49:17 -0700 X-UIDL: a417a991f0f9f06afa66ec7fb201aa17 At 3:42 PM 4/10/97, Sellon, Bob wrote: >Curtis, > >You are in luck. It turns out that, way Delta Lab implemented their delay Hi Bob- Thanks for bringing your expert knowledge to the list, its great to have you join us! > >I'm not interested in doing this kind of work myself but I do have >schematics and would be willing to send someone a copy and walk them >through it. Let me know. I'd love to have copies of these for the Looper's Delight web page. Do you have any way to scan them? If not, we can arrange for that somehow. Let me know. I'd love to have all these little bits and treasures about old loop devices collected together where anyone can refer to them. >Also, I am in the process of putting together a web site that will >include procedures for various mods I have done including this one. I'll >send a message around when it is operational. > >Bob Sellon Great. If there is anything you would like to contribute to the Looper's Delight pages, we would love to have it! thanks, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Apr 11 09:24:07 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 11 07:21:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wFhCX-0000NP-00; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:21:17 -0700 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:16:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Aviansongs@aol.com Message-ID: <970411101650_-1168193355@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: delta-lab echotron Resent-Message-ID: <"te9qHC.A.NJ.agkTz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 07:21:17 -0700 X-UIDL: 4b3d5dc2ca00c74deac670193c38545c In a message dated 97-04-10 23:07:05 EDT, you write: > You are in luck. It turns out that, way Delta Lab implemented their delay > lines makes it quite easy to expand the memory. In Delta Lab products, > the A-D converters spit out a single serial stream of 1s and 0s which is > fed to the memory chips sequentially (into the first chip, out of the > first chip into the second chip, etc..). On the simpler products, they > derive their delay times by simply tapping off the serial data stream > between the memory chips or at the output of the last chip. To expand the > memory, you simply add more memory chips in the chain. > Hmm... I wonder if the memory of the Digitech RDS 7.6 (or 4000 & 8000) can be expanded as well. If so, what would the average cost of an upgrade be (parts only)? Also, what's the status of the Jamman upgrade? Take care, Marc From ???@??? Fri Apr 11 09:24:19 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 11 08:39:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wFiQ2-0005JN-00; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:39:18 -0700 Message-Id: <199704111535.AA21149@internet-mail2.ford.com> From: "Steven R. Murrell" To: "'Loop'" , "'Stickwire (discussion)'" Subject: Rackmount Mixer Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:36:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"p7lLQ.A.xoE.qolTz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:39:18 -0700 X-UIDL: 7dbf0ec9c9bc9120a564041f033dfbfb I just wanted to thank everybody who responded to my inquiry regarding rack-mountable mixers. I am leaning toward the Mackie 1202 mounted onto a rack-mounted shelf. No definite decision yet, though. Also, I had planned to compile all of the suggestions and post to the list but I inadvertently deleted the responses. Sorry. Thanks again everybody!! Steve Murrell From ???@??? Fri Apr 11 09:24:25 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 11 09:00:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wFikr-00075L-00; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:00:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199704111554.LAA13292@acc.haverford.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:54:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: jspeer@haverford.edu Subject: Re: Rackmount Mixer Resent-Message-ID: <"p2htT.A.GTG.58lTz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 09:00:49 -0700 X-UIDL: 79c9bd5077f0e203367c38e295c1983e >I just wanted to thank everybody who responded to my inquiry regarding >rack-mountable mixers. > >I am leaning toward the Mackie 1202 mounted onto a rack-mounted shelf. No >definite decision yet, though. In that case you should be aware that the "VLZ" version of the 1202 has more sends and is a significantly nicer machine that the "non-VLZ". Also, the newsgroup rec.music.makers.marketplace moves loads of Mackie 1202s every week, both VLZ and non-VLZ. A good price for used is $200-$250 for VLZ, $150-$200 for non-VLZ. J. ********************** My Town: Philadelphia! From ???@??? Fri Apr 11 11:04:29 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 11 10:41:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wFkJs-0007TU-00; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:41:04 -0700 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:35:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199704111735.MAA15427@dfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com> From: erwill@ix.netcom.com (James E Williamson) Subject: Re: visual looping To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"jUVwfC.A.UoG.ManTz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:41:04 -0700 X-UIDL: 8efb9d0a5d3841421a1e53ce1a23d57b You wrote: > >>How about pointing a video camera at it's own monitor screen then? > >Hey, I've got about 2 hours of that on tape. Great stuff! I'm in the midst >of dumping it into the computer and editing the best parts in Premiere. >Very cool, especially if you slow it way down. Cool. I did alot of experiments in that, as well. If you could send me some screen shots (jpgs) I would really appreciate it. Unfortunately, my dad accidently erased what I had done a couple of years ago, but if I ever get Snappy I'll grab a couple frames off a copy I made. I made them about 5 years ago for a German class parody of Dr Who. Thanks... -- James Eric Williamson - erwill@ix.netcom.com - erwill@heartland.bradley.edu One of Peoria's most obscure ambient blues musicians From ???@??? Fri Apr 11 11:04:36 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 11 10:56:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wFkYn-00010Q-00; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:56:29 -0700 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:51:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight Subject: RE: delta-lab echotron In-Reply-To: <9704102121.AA25676@beryllium.lexicon.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"s_ep_C.A.Lh.aonTz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:56:29 -0700 X-UIDL: de764eeaed440d8bf43f1f78c1fc851a On Thu, 10 Apr 1997, Sellon, Bob wrote: > You are in luck. It turns out that, way Delta Lab implemented their delay > lines makes it quite easy to expand the memory. In Delta Lab products, > the A-D converters spit out a single serial stream of 1s and 0s which is > fed to the memory chips sequentially (into the first chip, out of the > first chip into the second chip, etc..). On the simpler products, they > derive their delay times by simply tapping off the serial data stream > between the memory chips or at the output of the last chip. To expand the > memory, you simply add more memory chips in the chain. Bob, Would this scheme also work for the DeltaLab CompuEffectron CE1700 model? Looking at the tech specs in the manual, I have a sneaking suspicion that you could add the RAM, but the MPU might not be able to address it. But then again, my electronics knowlege is pretty limited. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Fri Apr 11 11:04:39 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 11 11:04:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wFkgn-0001iT-00; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:04:45 -0700 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:58:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199704111758.MAA13774@dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com> From: erwill@ix.netcom.com (James E Williamson) Subject: oops... To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"pAGpFD.A.XKB.tvnTz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:04:45 -0700 X-UIDL: bb4c832bdfc963e9330a4261ee76dd0f I'm sorry, I didn't intend for that to go to all of you... -- James Eric Williamson - erwill@ix.netcom.com - erwill@heartland.bradley.edu One of Peoria's most obscure ambient blues musicians From ???@??? Sat Apr 12 02:16:03 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 11 11:31:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wFl6e-0003zd-00; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:31:28 -0700 Message-Id: <9704111824.AA27842@beryllium.lexicon.com> Priority: urgent Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:41:00 -0400 From: "Sellon, Bob" Subject: Delta Lab schematics To: Loopers-Delight X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Resent-Message-ID: <"qw8tcC.A.xUD.BJoTz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:31:28 -0700 X-UIDL: 531acd831336de6c711566d732894e58 Kim, I'll take a look at those schematics to see what kind of shape they are in. Some are large blue prints but I think the Echotron schematics were reduced. I'll let you know. Bob Sellon From ???@??? Sat Apr 12 02:16:06 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 11 11:45:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wFlJu-00059U-00; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:45:10 -0700 Message-Id: <9704111829.AA27849@beryllium.lexicon.com> Priority: urgent Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:57:00 -0400 From: "Sellon, Bob" Subject: Digitec expansion/Jamman update To: Loopers-Delight X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Resent-Message-ID: <"cItG3C.A.9XE.gVoTz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:45:10 -0700 X-UIDL: d164d2101caf15d4007fe942e55f5b5f Marc, > Hmm... I wonder if the memory of the Digitech RDS 7.6 (or 4000 & 8000) >can be expanded as well. If so, what would the average cost of an upgrade be >(parts only)? I've never worked on the Digitech units and don't have schematics so I really don't know. >Also, what's the status of the Jamman upgrade? Work is progressing at a pretty good clip. This summer still seems realistic for a release if legal issues can be cleanly resolved. I'll keep everybody posted. Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec From ???@??? Sat Apr 12 02:16:28 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 11 13:45:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wFnBq-0006t7-00; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:44:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199704112039.NAA28582@usr07.primenet.com> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Digitec expansion/Jamman update Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:39:32 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"5TNEoB.A.0CG.5FqTz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 13:44:58 -0700 X-UIDL: 144db4819d93b46a87ff67d72b061468 > > Hmm... I wonder if the memory of the Digitech RDS 7.6 (or 4000 & > 8000) > >can be expanded as well. If so, what would the average cost of an > upgrade be > >(parts only)? > > I've never worked on the Digitech units and don't have schematics so I > really don't know. I too have a RDS 7.6 but my concern isn't as much increasing the RAM in the unit, thus potentially causing a loss of resolution, as much as it is lowering the S/N ratio of the unit. Given incorrect levels of input/output, and the longest setting for the loop length, one can get an incredible - though removable - amount of hiss. This is fine for studio stuff, but not the live material... Any thoughts on this, fellow RDS owners/operators? * Stephen Goodman It's the Loop Of The Week! And it's free! * EarthLight Productions http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios From ???@??? Sat Apr 12 12:37:24 1997 >From kflint Sat Apr 12 08:39:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wG4td-0002jV-00; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 08:39:21 -0700 Message-ID: <334F751D.6F8@nyfac.com> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 11:42:26 +0000 From: nyfac Reply-To: nyfac@nyfac.com Organization: nyfac X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Cellists References: <6765.199704040901@eeapp.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"1zBhoD.A.EcC.kw6Tz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 08:39:21 -0700 X-UIDL: fc70aee7a648c50a843bc5fb437c9154 > An open-minded chellist - wow! :) > How do you fel about moving to Glasgow? > > Michael It is kind of funny- most cellists don't seem to have a very eclectic aestetic. Tough to get them into the rock/punk/folk/loop thing. In fact, it seems to be pretty hard to get anyone in to it... :) So I have just followed through on my on my four year old threat and bought an old Kay 3/4 size plywood cello. I dated a girl for a while who was a phenominal cellist and started giving me pointers. With the cheater tape (you know, that yellow tape that novice violinists use as fret markers) I find that more of my left hand technique translates than I would have thought, but the right right hand technique is a bastard. Now all I need is to get some kind of pickup thingy in there and let the loops begin! From ???@??? Sat Apr 12 12:37:25 1997 >From kflint Sat Apr 12 08:44:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wG4ym-000333-00; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 08:44:40 -0700 Message-ID: <334F7661.1727@nyfac.com> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 11:47:50 +0000 From: nyfac Reply-To: nyfac@nyfac.com Organization: nyfac X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: More on that feedback thing References: <6765.199704040901@eeapp.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_EH4CD.A.ruC.o16Tz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 08:44:40 -0700 X-UIDL: ff8453a5d70f18eb30d70e50c3a94ad6 I am a big proponant of feedback (like every other guitarist in NYC) but my bigest problem is that my pickups get crazy high pitched microphonic feedback with my old Jaguar. I just got my pickups back from Seymour Duncan (they repotted my Jag reissues and the originals) and while they are better than they were before, they can still get a little out of control. Anyone out there ever have to solve this problem? I don't use that much pre-amp gain, or a compressor, just a whole lot of volume. I don't see how Hendrix got such great feedback with his single coils. The good news is my hollowbody works like a charm. Trev From ???@??? Sat Apr 12 18:45:00 1997 >From kflint Sat Apr 12 17:00:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wGCiP-0001cp-00; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 17:00:17 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 18:20:28 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Re: Digitec expansion/Jamman update Resent-Message-ID: <"Vzu_qD.A._ZB.nGCUz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 17:00:17 -0700 X-UIDL: 786b786a0c32909b01b5ba034fee8ba6 Hi Bob, Care to tease us with some info as to what the upgrade will contain??? Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~Patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Sat Apr 12 12:38:06 1997 >From kflint Sat Apr 12 12:32:22 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wG8X7-0005P4-00; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 12:32:21 -0700 Message-ID: <334FE230.29999C6@sj.bigger.net> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 12:27:44 -0700 From: Roland Eberle Reply-To: roland@sj.bigger.net Organization: System User X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b3 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nyfac@nyfac.com CC: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: More on that feedback thing X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <6765.199704040901@eeapp.gla.ac.uk> <334F7661.1727@nyfac.com> Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: <"owqWeD.A.I6E.hK-Tz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 12:32:21 -0700 X-UIDL: 1d8576c2606a7ebca7337ca52ceeb7a4 nyfac wrote: > I am a big proponant of feedback (like every other guitarist in NYC) > but > my bigest problem is that my pickups get crazy high pitched > microphonic > feedback with my old Jaguar. I just got my pickups back from > Seymour > Duncan (they repotted my Jag reissues and the originals) and while > they > are better than they were before, they can still get a little out of > > control. > > Anyone out there ever have to solve this problem? Fernandes guitars with patented Sustainer circuit. Just try one and see. From ???@??? Sat Apr 12 14:56:09 1997 >From kflint Sat Apr 12 13:21:38 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wG9In-0007Yh-00; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 13:21:37 -0700 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:18:39 -0400 (EDT) From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <970412161838_-500628174@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: More on that feedback thing Resent-Message-ID: <"nMOJXB.A.l9G.Q5-Tz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 13:21:37 -0700 X-UIDL: 6928518e20b7bd3a144f2ea729ed644f In a message dated 4/12/97 2:31:56 PM, Roland Eberle wrote: <> Or you could rent Steve Tibbetts fingers and setup 8-). From ???@??? Sat Apr 12 14:56:11 1997 >From kflint Sat Apr 12 14:40:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wGAXK-0003IR-00; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:40:42 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:46:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Ph.D.) Subject: Re: Digitec expansion/Jamman update Resent-Message-ID: <"wdr-BD.A.m-C.lDAUz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 14:40:42 -0700 X-UIDL: 23a7a0095035d146a964a333bcdcc68e Looking forward to the JamMan upgrade you are working on >Marc, > >> Hmm... I wonder if the memory of the Digitech RDS 7.6 (or 4000 & >8000) >>can be expanded as well. If so, what would the average cost of an >upgrade be >>(parts only)? > >I've never worked on the Digitech units and don't have schematics so I >really don't know. > > >Also, what's the status of the Jamman upgrade? > >Work is progressing at a pretty good clip. This summer still seems >realistic for a release if legal issues can be cleanly resolved. I'll >keep everybody posted. > >Bob Sellon >Lexicon/Stec From ???@??? Sun Apr 13 00:26:35 1997 >From kflint Sat Apr 12 20:33:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wGG2W-0002jH-00; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 20:33:16 -0700 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 23:30:10 -0400 (EDT) From: AntiFret@aol.com Message-ID: <970412233009_775306578@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: please take me off of the mailing list Resent-Message-ID: <"XFGknD.A.NZC.wNFUz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 20:33:16 -0700 X-UIDL: dfaf4c672899dad2f97af4db4069a6da can i get off the list, the sheer volume of it is a bit overwhelming and its not what i expected...nothing personal... From ???@??? Sun Apr 13 11:52:57 1997 >From kflint Sun Apr 13 01:55:57 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wGL4m-0005rh-00; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 01:55:56 -0700 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 03:58:54 -0500 From: John Pollock Subject: Re: delta-lab echotron To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-to: johnpollock@delphi.com Message-id: <3350A04E.2C54@delphi.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <9704102121.AA25676@beryllium.lexicon.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"viaO5C.A.0ZF.H8JUz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 01:55:56 -0700 X-UIDL: 340957ca7d574f5390470e8a8d1df13f Sellon, Bob wrote: > You are in luck. It turns out that, way Delta Lab implemented their delay > lines makes it quite easy to expand the memory. Bob, Would the same happen to be true of the Vortex? The thought of a 3.6sec or 7.2sec delay capability in the Vortex does unbelievable things to my erectile tissues and mucous membranes... ;-) Welcome to the list! :-) -- John Pollock mailto:johnpollock@delphi.com http://people.delphi.com/johnpollock (Troubador Tech) From ???@??? Sun Apr 13 22:33:50 1997 >From kflint Sun Apr 13 22:31:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wGeMI-0006Ca-00; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 22:31:18 -0700 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 01:27:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Dpcoffin@aol.com Message-ID: <970414012024_-2071246693@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Another new DOD pedal Resent-Message-ID: <"fNH_GC.A.amF.wBcUz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 22:31:18 -0700 X-UIDL: 3e443edbc4c32922edf1b96f7fbe41d2 In a message dated 4/9/97 1:14:42 AM, you wrote: <> I spent an enjoyable hour or so on the phone with Zachary Vex this weekend, whose pedals rec'd much praise in that GP/JGore NAMM report, and he mentioned that he's coming out with a lo-fi 20-sec digital looper stomp box for under $250 sometime soon. You can reach him at Z. Vex Effects, 612-781-1775; zvex@bitsteam.net anybody know anything about the Matchless Echo Box, described in the same issue, with a "craftily deployed cassette"? dp From ???@??? Mon Apr 14 10:16:48 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 14 08:03:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wGnI0-0005Z3-00; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 08:03:28 -0700 Message-ID: <33520F8D.1CAF@nyfac.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:05:49 +0000 From: nyfac Reply-To: nyfac@nyfac.com Organization: nyfac X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digitec expansion/Jamman update References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"b7nStC.A.7_E.XakUz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 08:03:28 -0700 X-UIDL: 0a193dbb68c05931e83f1a20204e0be3 Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. wrote: > > Looking forward to the JamMan upgrade you are working on Bob- Just want to lend some moral support for fear that you might think that we don't care. Do you have some idea where you are going to take us? I don't suppose that you are working on being able to reverse in loop mode or being able to mute the input in echo mode by any chance. Trev From ???@??? Mon Apr 14 10:16:46 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 14 07:57:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wGnCQ-000587-00; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 07:57:42 -0700 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 09:54:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Stagner To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: More on that feedback thing In-Reply-To: <970412161838_-500628174@emout15.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"kF11ZD.A.IlE.rUkUz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 07:57:42 -0700 X-UIDL: 82a2f6f904fa5f4b0d8387628d6b6b09 On Sat, 12 Apr 1997 PMimlitsch@aol.com wrote: > Or you could rent Steve Tibbetts fingers and setup 8-). I dunno about that... I saw Steve Tibbetts live several years ago, and he was having such horrible hum problems he couldn't really play electric guitar at all. Then it got scary... at one point, he said something about a "ghost in the machine". Then a minute or so into the next piece, one of the PA speakers fell off the stage, landing face down with a resounding thud (luckily, no one was sitting that close). To their credit, Steve Tibbetts and Marc Anderson didn't break stride at all. Incredible show, btw. For a setup, he was using a couple of 12-string acoustics, and his old Strat. He had Ernie Ball volume pedals, a Marshall JCM800, and older Lexicon delays. It looked and sounded like some loops were being sampled in realtime, and then played back by Marc Anderson via an electronic drum pad. Interesting approach. :} -dave By "beauty," I mean that which seems complete. Obversely, that the incomplete, or the mutilated, is the ugly. Venus De Milo. To a child she is ugly. /* dstagner@icarus.net */ -Charles Fort From ???@??? Tue Apr 15 01:53:19 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 14 20:38:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wGz54-0007QL-00; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 20:38:54 -0700 Message-ID: <3352F94E.5333@crystalball.com> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 22:43:10 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@crystalball.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Another new DOD pedal References: <970414012024_-2071246693@emout18.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"_jvZgC.A.HvG.SevUz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 20:38:54 -0700 X-UIDL: b75139184c31dfbf25aa149f479a87f4 Dpcoffin@aol.com wrote: > anybody know anything about the Matchless Echo Box, described in the same > issue, with a "craftily deployed cassette"? No details, but rumor has it that the retail price will be about $800 and it is similar to the original Echoplex tape loop. Of course it's all tube, coming from Matchless. Should sound great. Motley From ???@??? Tue Apr 15 23:44:02 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 15 19:39:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wHKdJ-00017b-00; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 19:39:41 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 19:47:23 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: this stinking pedal Resent-Message-ID: <"NFLbiD.A.Gy.JsDVz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 19:39:41 -0700 X-UIDL: 44b6bf6c11a90ec10cb08d75d42db43f >THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! i feel much better now. i, too, have found interesting > updated to 198 seconds this weekend, haven't had a >chance to try out though (maybe tonight!!) Where did you get your memory? Anybody have any info on who has the best prices on memory for the Echoplex? Best, Kevin From ???@??? Tue Apr 15 23:42:26 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 15 12:51:33 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wHEGK-0005bN-00; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 12:51:32 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:46:36 -0400 (EDT) From: MiqSk8@aol.com Message-ID: <970415154433_-32657886@emout01.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: this stinking pedal Resent-Message-ID: <"5wADPD.A.99E.et9Uz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 12:51:32 -0700 X-UIDL: 2b9b04f5476e29bd9562c5bb4f556ad8 ok, i guess y'all missed my point about the footcontroller. i thought i'd let it die so it would maybe just fix itself. when i try and record on the plex-i have to hold the button down for the entire length of the loop. i've just reread the manual and this does not seem correct at all. this, as i understand it, would be the "long hold" which would reset the loop. am i lost, or is this wrong? ps latest from obie: cueu late this month. sorry for the false alarm last month From ???@??? Tue Apr 15 23:42:35 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 15 13:24:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wHElr-00007d-00; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:24:07 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970415202842.009a9d38@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:28:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: this stinking pedal Resent-Message-ID: <"0mamJC.A.pNH.oM-Uz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:24:07 -0700 X-UIDL: d64946c69a727b51617fb1daa1b02f2f You need to set the RecordMode parameter back to its default of "tog" for toggle. You somehow got it set to "SUS" which gives the record function a sustain pedal action. If want to reset all your parameters to the factory default, you can do so by holding the parameter button down at power up. I actually have lots of fun with RecordMode=SUS. I use it to create micro-length delays. If you just tap the button, the loop length is only as long as the time the switch actually contacted. It's easy to get loops that are so short that the repetition rate becomes an audible frequency. I then use the replace function and vary the feedback a lot to evolve the texture and make some very cool sounds. If you've got a source playing continuously into the delay, the mix control is just like a crossfade on a dj mixer. This has given a whole new life to my old Alesis HR-16B drum machine - the two together are making some killer techno percussion grooves. The sounds are pretty unique, and very easy to manipulate in real time. Often times I'll also multiply the micro loops to add some longer phrase over the pulsing sample. I'd like to explain this better, but at the moment I'm a bit busy. I'll try to get to it later.... kim At 03:46 PM 4/15/97 -0400, you wrote: >ok, i guess y'all missed my point about the footcontroller. i thought i'd let >it die so it would maybe just fix itself. when i try and record on the plex-i >have to hold the button down for the entire length of the loop. i've just >reread the manual and this does not seem correct at all. this, as i >understand it, would be the "long hold" which would reset the loop. am i >lost, or is this wrong? > >ps latest from obie: cueu late this month. sorry for the false alarm last >month > > > _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 VLSI Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research From ???@??? Tue Apr 15 23:42:46 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 15 13:51:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wHFCZ-00027p-00; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:51:43 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 16:47:20 -0400 (EDT) From: MiqSk8@aol.com Message-ID: <970415164631_-1436132753@emout16.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: this stinking pedal Resent-Message-ID: <"a4ZH-D.A.0uB.dm-Uz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 13:51:43 -0700 X-UIDL: 1971ba26f18393dd5d62afe896055844 THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! i feel much better now. i, too, have found interesting uses/timbres available with this happy accident, but now am able to get going with the real deal. also updated to 198 seconds this weekend, haven't had a chance to try out though (maybe tonight!!) what is the status of the looper's recording/cd? i am very interested in hearing everyone out there doing this thing. what i am most interested in is the live/one take loop- i need to knock down the barriers of my thinking in this area badly. From ???@??? Tue Apr 15 23:44:07 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 15 20:23:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wHLJk-0003dg-00; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 20:23:32 -0700 X-Sender: ejmd@pop.erols.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 23:25:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Ed Drake Subject: Cheap Echoplex SIMMS ? Resent-Message-ID: <"7ZF29C.A.nPD.hWEVz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 20:23:32 -0700 X-UIDL: afe5de2214077d17cc436d12b9fea517 Kevin said: >Where did you get your memory? Anybody have any info on who has the best >prices on memory for the Echoplex? I second this! Does anybody know the cheapest place to get the SIMMS for the plex? As someone who has a plex on order (finally!) I'd like to get that sucker fully loaded as cheaply as possible. I know there was talk here a while back about getting four 4MB SIMMS for $60-$75. I'd love to know where that is , with a phone number included. If anyone has this info, please post it to the list as this question does come up often enough. Thanks Ed From ???@??? Wed Apr 16 09:22:55 1997 >From kflint Wed Apr 16 04:08:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wHSZL-0007Wk-00; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 04:08:07 -0700 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 04:05:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Stew Benedict Subject: Sitar-like effect, by accident To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: stickwire-l@netcom.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"lrTxDC.A.tzG.yJLVz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 04:08:07 -0700 X-UIDL: bfd82ce8186b1a7a0253057302b858a2 Hey all you string-instrument players/loopists. I don't know if anyone else is a CAD-jockey, but I stumbled on an interesting effect last night by accident while setting up a digitizing tablet and trying to get in some Stick practice. The "puck" on a digitizer has wire windings around the bullseye, which connect back to the circuitry to locate the puck on the tablet. Anyway, by accident I lifted the puck from the tablet and it got close to my pickups/strings and generated some very interesting sounds, sort of a sitar/spring reverb kind of thing, amplitude varied by proximity to strings and pickup. I would guess this is similar to the concept the ebow uses? I didn't have time to explore it fully, but if any of you have a digitizer laying around, check it out, it's sort of neat! Stew Benedict Teak Chapman Stick #926 From ???@??? Wed Apr 16 10:30:43 1997 >From kflint Wed Apr 16 10:13:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wHYGP-00019S-00; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:12:57 -0700 Date: 16 Apr 97 13:05:31 EDT From: To: Subject: SIMMs for EP Message-ID: <970416170531_702420.204300_BHD37-25@CompuServe.COM> Resent-Message-ID: <"KpA18B.A.8u.6dQVz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:12:57 -0700 X-UIDL: e80a256e2286d98488f461b6f6533836 I just upgraded my 'plex to the full 16Mb/198sec. VERY worthwhile. Because I work as a Mac specialist, 30-pin SIMMs are pretty much free...I just took some out of an old IIcx motherboard we weren't using. However, the best price for 4Mb SIMMs I've seen recently is from L.A. Trade (800.433.3726 US and Canada) ... $28. A full upgrade for the 'plex would cost $112. Not bad. Good luck...SIMMs seem to vary in price like pork belly futures. Pick up a Computer Shopper or MacWeek and bargain hunt. --Russell From ???@??? Wed Apr 16 10:30:46 1997 >From kflint Wed Apr 16 10:20:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wHYNG-0001fc-00; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:20:02 -0700 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:13:06 -0400 (EDT) From: MiqSk8@aol.com Message-ID: <970416131305_51356755@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: this stinking pedal Resent-Message-ID: <"yV9kJ.A.VKB.hjQVz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:20:02 -0700 X-UIDL: ab399f76171006db67e62741953ea187 where did i get the memory? out of a dead server i'm afraid. i did look for some time, prices ranged considerably. the lowest i found was the guy listed below($22 for 4mb 30 pin), who was out of stock when i called, but was going to check to get some more. the usual "i have nothing to do with this person" disclaimer applies; i found him on a bulletin board on aol. btw, he is a guitarist! Moon Business Systems 156 Los Angeles Ave. Oxnard, CA 93035 Phone: 805-985-6495 FAX: 805-984-3295 moonbizsys@FISHNET.NET From ???@??? Wed Apr 16 23:14:39 1997 >From kflint Wed Apr 16 10:38:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wHYfB-00036C-00; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:38:33 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:29:53 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) Subject: Re: Sitar-like effect, by accident Resent-Message-ID: <"nJQUN.A.ykC.v1QVz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:38:33 -0700 X-UIDL: f3ea16356210340125d09d561cd35a73 >the tablet. Anyway, by accident I lifted the puck from the tablet and >it got close to my pickups/strings and generated some very interesting >sounds, sort of a sitar/spring reverb kind of thing, amplitude varied >by proximity to strings and pickup. I would guess this is similar to >the concept the ebow uses? I didn't have time to explore it fully, >but if any of you have a digitizer laying around, check it out, it's >sort of neat! > >Stew Benedict >Teak Chapman Stick #926 In this case it's probably ac current in the wires of the puck getting coupled into the pickup windings. It's probably not quite like an ebow. You could tell if the pitch of the sound was related to the pitch of the string. An ebow actually drives the string, so you can fret notes. Your sound is probably a constant pitch? I think this is like the effect of a motor in close proximity to the pickups. In addition to being fun stage props and serving other amusing uses, adjustable-speed vibrators work great for this, since you can vary the pitch. I know Reeves Gabrels and Dave Navarro are known for using that technique. There are probably lots of other electronic doodads with similar effects. I once ran my guitar through an A/D converter with a digital audio S/PDIF output. I plugged the s/pdif output directly into a tube amp and wailed away. I was amazed that the pitch of the resulting sound was the same as the pitch of the notes I played. How did it sound? Well, I liked it...Like a hideous fuzz box with some serious problems. And since it was a digital waveform, there are only two choices for amplitude, on or off. That's a lot of compression! Or: great sustain! (Do this at your own risk...if you blow your speakers up, I ain't payin'!) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Apr 16 23:14:45 1997 >From kflint Wed Apr 16 10:50:05 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wHYqJ-0003x8-00; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:50:03 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:41:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) Subject: Re: SIMMs for EP Resent-Message-ID: <"j30-K.A.tVD.kARVz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:50:03 -0700 X-UIDL: e56901ff69880900714b6e050d15e186 At 1:05 PM 4/16/97, wrote: > However, the best price for 4Mb SIMMs I've seen recently is from L.A. > Trade (800.433.3726 US and Canada) ... $28. A full upgrade for the > 'plex would cost $112. Not bad. > > Good luck...SIMMs seem to vary in price like pork belly futures. Pick > up a Computer Shopper or MacWeek and bargain hunt. > > --Russell > $28 is a commonly advertised price. I think I saw $23 from some ad in a recent MacWeek. At Fry's in the Bay Area, I've seen 4mb simms as cheap as $17. If you are actually ordering, you can probably bargain these guys down a bit. There are several companies that used to advertise in MacWeek and other computer rags who sold used simms. Those should be real cheap, since as Russell mentioned, there are lots of them floating around in archaic computers. I already threw out the last MacWeek I got, so I can't check phone#'s for you. Pick up some magazines at a local bookstore and check the bargain dealer ads in the back. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Wed Apr 16 23:14:54 1997 >From kflint Wed Apr 16 11:24:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wHZNG-0006Jz-00; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:24:06 -0700 Message-Id: <199704161821.TAA26408@post.webplus.co.uk> From: "andrew" To: Subject: plex UK Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 19:21:05 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"o3LmyD.A.4mF.RhRVz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 11:24:06 -0700 X-UIDL: 8df4737c211c75a573db5918d76d85c2 Anybody out there know where the Echoplex can be purchased in the UK ? London preferably. Price ? If you have infomation leading to the apprehension of one you may be eligible for a reward. mail info directly to me, if you like. much appreciated A 'cheese in the fridge with a mile long beard' DVV From ???@??? Thu Apr 17 01:44:47 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 17 00:04:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wHlEj-0004NN-00; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 00:04:05 -0700 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 22:58:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Stew Benedict To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sitar-like effect, by accident In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"DO2S3D.A._8D.GrcVz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 00:04:05 -0700 X-UIDL: 41e28e1f26c98c6a93aeb73fdf4d0bfe You're right Kim, it's a constant frequency, although the effect does vary slightly depending on the strings it's in closest proximity to. It seems the bass strings facilitate the best "springy" sound. I've seen Adrian Belew do some interesting effects with a cordless drill with King Crimson too. Stew Benedict From ???@??? Thu Apr 17 01:44:54 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 17 01:13:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wHmJi-0006WQ-00; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 01:13:18 -0700 Message-Id: <2257.199704170811@rank-serv.elec.gla.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:11:27 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: pycraft@elec.gla.ac.uk (Dr M. P. Hughes) Subject: Re: plex UK Resent-Message-ID: <"CCdzBC.A.hBG.zsdVz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 01:13:18 -0700 X-UIDL: 7463db8f38bb2178b4183c8c9c3422f3 >Anybody out there know where the Echoplex can be purchased >in the UK ? London preferably. Price ? I've no idea about getting a Plex in the UK, although many places stock JamMen (surely worth a thought)! You might try to contact Gibson's UK importers Rosetti (01376 550033), since they _might_ also deal with products from Gibson-owned companies (or know who does). The bad news is that I've never seen one in Glasgow, and we get most kit up here.... Michael Dr Michael Pycraft Hughes Bioelectronic Research Centre, Rankine Bldg, Tel: (+44) 141 330 5979 University of Glasgow, Glasgow G12 8QQ, U.K. "Wha's like us? Damn few, and they're a' deid!" - Scottish proverb From ???@??? Thu Apr 17 10:14:16 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 17 02:05:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wHn8T-0000Cv-00; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 02:05:45 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 02:00:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) Subject: Re: Sitar-like effect, by accident Resent-Message-ID: <"QlQv7D.A.KG.zdeVz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 02:05:45 -0700 X-UIDL: af454e101ec79dce8b210c239862a2a4 >You're right Kim, it's a constant frequency, although the effect does >vary slightly depending on the strings it's in closest proximity to. >It seems the bass strings facilitate the best "springy" sound. I've >seen Adrian Belew do some interesting effects with a cordless drill >with King Crimson too. > >Stew Benedict Adrian's drill trick couldn't possilbly be as cool as Paul Gilbert attaching a bunch of picks to a drill bit and using it to play really-fast-wheedily-shredder crap. Now that was funny! Great crowd pleaser. He even got a Makita endorsement for that one. He quit doing it when he got his hair tangled in the drill during a show. Something to think about before bringing the power tools out...... kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Fri Apr 18 00:50:37 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 17 11:05:20 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wHvYe-0007Z9-00; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:05:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199704171800.LAA21932@scv1.apple.com> Subject: Re: Bill Frisell looping device Date: Thu, 17 Apr 97 12:59:08 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"Xpsf1D.A.erG.4TmVz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:05:20 -0700 X-UIDL: 16948f1539fc3be20451f89f1dfd9840 > Frisell was using >an Andersen ACUSTIC (!!!) guitar (no more electric Klein) and an effect >pedal called Echoplus, by Digitech, I think. > >Great looping work!!! With the pedal he could record looping seguences and >change the speed and pitch of the loop in real time. The effect was awesome. >Someone knows about the Echoplus? What are the other features of this pedal? >Someone using it? And about the price? As I recall, the Echoplus was just an 8-second delay, similiar to the PDS-2000, but with more memory. Nothing special, no modulation, but it did have a sample trigger input, I think. It was in the $200-300 range. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Fri Apr 18 00:50:29 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 17 10:48:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wHvIn-0006MY-00; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:48:57 -0700 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: LEONARDO CAVALLO Subject: Bill Frisell looping device Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 19:46:52 +0200 Message-ID: <19970417174651546.AAA180@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"yHpMgC.A._fF.xDmVz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:48:57 -0700 X-UIDL: f36f0b253de1ad7c5d7f09323ca2dc27 Hi all Yesterday night I saw the Bill Frisell Quartet performance. Incredible musicianship, great compositions for guitar, violin, trumpet and trombone; check out their CD (Bill Frisell Quartet, 1996, Nonesuch). Frisell was using an Andersen ACUSTIC (!!!) guitar (no more electric Klein) and an effect pedal called Echoplus, by Digitech, I think. Great looping work!!! With the pedal he could record looping seguences and change the speed and pitch of the loop in real time. The effect was awesome. Someone knows about the Echoplus? What are the other features of this pedal? Someone using it? And about the price? Ciao Leo From ???@??? Fri Apr 18 00:52:13 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 17 21:05:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wI4vs-0006wc-00; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 21:05:56 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 21:14:29 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V97 #57 Resent-Message-ID: <"KJjB7B.A.gTG.AKvVz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 21:05:56 -0700 X-UIDL: 9662d47d502c23538019107083406ab3 >Kevin >Try LLB Comp. At 1-800-848-8967 >You want 30pin mac simms >70n/s, matched pairs,same manufacturer,same lot >Prices are cheap and the chips are good. >kemMc@aol.com Thanks Ken...I'll give them a call. From ???@??? Fri Apr 18 00:51:13 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 17 14:14:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wHyVa-00048I-00; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:14:22 -0700 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:09:13 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) Subject: Re: Bill Frisell looping device Resent-Message-ID: <"J3og9B.A.HgD.BGpVz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:14:22 -0700 X-UIDL: 4cce9053a6839610c2a87fe719a4526f >> Frisell was using >>an Andersen ACUSTIC (!!!) guitar (no more electric Klein) and an effect >>pedal called Echoplus, by Digitech, I think. >> >>Great looping work!!! With the pedal he could record looping seguences and >>change the speed and pitch of the loop in real time. The effect was awesome. >>Someone knows about the Echoplus? What are the other features of this pedal? >>Someone using it? And about the price? Ive got one of those echoplus pedals. Here's the scoop: ECHO+PLUS 8 SEC DIGITAL DELAY/SAMPLER PDS 8000 Digitech The device was part of the PDS pedal series made by Digitech in the late 80's early 90's. As you can guess, it is not made anymore :-(. Audio: Mono input, mono out no info about internal signal processing. Power: 10 volt DC negative ground power supply (I use a 9v dc and it works fine) or 9volt battery Functions in 3 modes: Normal- looping or short echoes Trigger- initiates a previously recorded sample (sample will loop according to regen. and delay time settings) Sample- Records the desired sample (record only-no play back in this mode) Capabilities: 100ms(???) - 8sec delay or record a sample in sample mode and then trigger the sample in trigger mode. Repeat loop indefinately Operations and controls: >From left to right across the top panel of the pedal- 3 way delay time range switch toggles between the following delay ranges: 100ms-500ms, 500ms-2sec, 2sec-8sec Delay time knob has a relative value of 1(least)-10(most) depending on the setting of the delay time range switch. Rengeration knob has a range of 1(least)-10(most) repeats of echo or loop. Mix knob allows for wet/dry mix of signal and effect ranges 0% effect/100% signal - 100% effect/0% signal LEDs for Effect on and Repeat on 3 way toggle switch for changing mode Normal Trigger Sample Output level knob Input level knob mono input for signal mono input for recording sample (trigger input) mono output Bypass pedal(effect on/off) Repeat(hold)/Trigger(initiates recorded sample) pedal Price new:???? Used: I got one for $100 Sound quality: Fine but not high quality Size: around 5" high, 6" wide and 11/2" deep Color: blue :-) I like the user interface. It is very easy to use. All of the features are right there. No hunting through menus on a rack device display. I think it is a great low end looping device. If you are looking for cheap looping this would be a great buy. Easily portable too. Sincerley, Hayden Porter hporter@UAkron.edu From ???@??? Fri Apr 18 00:52:11 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 17 20:57:17 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wI4nT-0006Mt-00; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:57:15 -0700 Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 23:53:57 -0400 (EDT) From: KemMc@aol.com Message-ID: <970417235351_-401469211@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V97 #57 Resent-Message-ID: <"yV3-_D.A.n2F.XCvVz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:57:15 -0700 X-UIDL: 4146adeb3ce9ddba8a9625984dc903a7 Kevin Try LLB Comp. At 1-800-848-8967 You want 30pin mac simms 70n/s, matched pairs,same manufacturer,same lot Prices are cheap and the chips are good. kemMc@aol.com From ???@??? Fri Apr 18 08:47:46 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 18 06:03:49 1997 Received: from hil-img-1.compuserve.com [149.174.177.131] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wIDKM-0000Ww-00; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 06:03:46 -0700 Received: by hil-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id JAA29098; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:01:04 -0400 Date: 18 Apr 97 03:59:58 EDT From: Teed Rockwell <74164.3703@CompuServe.COM> To: Pete Gascoyne , David Alfano , Bernard Baars , Arthur Cronos , "INTERNET:cttart@ucdavis.edu" , "INTERNET:Harpnhorse@aol.com" , "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" , Eric Meece , Shari , Stickwire , Larry Tuttle , Kyle Wohlmut , Kim Flint , Dan Drasin , Dawn Atkinson Subject: Re: Indo-Funk Music at Open Secret Message-ID: <970418075958_74164.3703_GHP33-2@CompuServe.COM> X-UIDL: b8f7cf7a0d7b723e8232b2bf47a9cabe On Saturday, April 26th, Teed Rockwell (Chapman Stick) and Habib Khan (Sitar, vocals), will collaborate with Sam Sheats, Electric Bass, and Brad Van Cleave, tabla to create a dynamic and delightful musical experience. There will also be a special performance of Rockwell's original world music (accompanied by Sheats and Traps drummer Peter Gascoyne of Psychotic Melodic), and a Raga performed by Khan and Van Cleave on Sitar and Tablas. Rockwell began studying this year with Habib Khan, after ten years at the Ali Akbar College of Music, and the two discovered they had a chemistry together that made a performance inevitable. Fans of the Ali Khan Band and of Jai Uttal will surely enjoy the Indo-Rock Dance Music they have created especially for this concert. Rockwell is the only person in the world to play Classical Indian music on the Chapman Stick, an electric string instrument played by tapping with both hands on a wooden fretboard. He has played with his group "Geist" in the Festival of Harps (sm) ) at Great American Music Hall, the Yerba Buena Center, and Grace Cathedral , and is featured on CDs distributed internationally by Warner Bros. and Polygram. Habib Khan's family has played Sitar for many generations, often for the noble families of India, and have contributed several techniques to the evolution of the instrument. Since coming to America, Khan has displayed a rare gift for tuning his tradition to American ears without compromising its beauty and depth. In this special collaboration with Rockwell, their different but strangely similar instruments (and Khan's haunting vocals) dance triumphantly over Sheats' and Van Cleave's Indo-Funk Rhythm Section. Open Secret Book Music and World Art Gallery 923 C street San Rafael. 7:30 p.m. for Info call 510/548 8779 From ???@??? Fri Apr 18 08:47:48 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 18 06:05:47 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wIDMJ-0000f4-00; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 06:05:47 -0700 Date: 18 Apr 97 03:59:58 EDT From: Teed Rockwell <74164.3703@CompuServe.COM> To: Pete Gascoyne , David Alfano , Bernard Baars , Arthur Cronos , "INTERNET:cttart@ucdavis.edu" , "INTERNET:Harpnhorse@aol.com" , "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" , Eric Meece , Shari , Stickwire , Larry Tuttle , Kyle Wohlmut , Kim Flint , Dan Drasin , Dawn Atkinson Subject: Re: Indo-Funk Music at Open Secret Message-ID: <970418075958_74164.3703_GHP33-2@CompuServe.COM> Resent-Message-ID: <"jsJKC.A.bi.0E3Vz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 06:05:47 -0700 X-UIDL: 4205cd4128696683c825385243068d89 On Saturday, April 26th, Teed Rockwell (Chapman Stick) and Habib Khan (Sitar, vocals), will collaborate with Sam Sheats, Electric Bass, and Brad Van Cleave, tabla to create a dynamic and delightful musical experience. There will also be a special performance of Rockwell's original world music (accompanied by Sheats and Traps drummer Peter Gascoyne of Psychotic Melodic), and a Raga performed by Khan and Van Cleave on Sitar and Tablas. Rockwell began studying this year with Habib Khan, after ten years at the Ali Akbar College of Music, and the two discovered they had a chemistry together that made a performance inevitable. Fans of the Ali Khan Band and of Jai Uttal will surely enjoy the Indo-Rock Dance Music they have created especially for this concert. Rockwell is the only person in the world to play Classical Indian music on the Chapman Stick, an electric string instrument played by tapping with both hands on a wooden fretboard. He has played with his group "Geist" in the Festival of Harps (sm) ) at Great American Music Hall, the Yerba Buena Center, and Grace Cathedral , and is featured on CDs distributed internationally by Warner Bros. and Polygram. Habib Khan's family has played Sitar for many generations, often for the noble families of India, and have contributed several techniques to the evolution of the instrument. Since coming to America, Khan has displayed a rare gift for tuning his tradition to American ears without compromising its beauty and depth. In this special collaboration with Rockwell, their different but strangely similar instruments (and Khan's haunting vocals) dance triumphantly over Sheats' and Van Cleave's Indo-Funk Rhythm Section. Open Secret Book Music and World Art Gallery 923 C street San Rafael. 7:30 p.m. for Info call 510/548 8779 From ???@??? Fri Apr 18 08:47:45 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 18 05:59:02 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wIDFk-0000M1-00; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 05:59:00 -0700 X-Sender: LEO@MAIL.DINONET.IT X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: LEONARDO CAVALLO Subject: Re: Bill Frisell looping device Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:01:40 +0200 Message-ID: <19970418130139250.AAA237@Default> Resent-Message-ID: <"LPsNSC.A.xM.R-2Vz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 05:59:00 -0700 X-UIDL: edd221dcd330e2215b1067bdb18bae67 Thanks for the reply. You said: > > >Ive got one of those echoplus pedals. > >Here's the scoop: > >ECHO+PLUS >8 SEC DIGITAL DELAY/SAMPLER >PDS 8000 >Digitech > >The device was part of the PDS pedal series made by Digitech in the late >80's early 90's. As you can guess, it is not made anymore :-(. > >Audio: >Mono input, mono out >no info about internal signal processing. > >Power: >10 volt DC negative ground power supply (I use a 9v dc and it works fine) >or >9volt battery > >Functions in 3 modes: >Normal- looping or short echoes >Trigger- initiates a previously recorded sample (sample will loop according >to regen. and delay time settings) >Sample- Records the desired sample (record only-no play back in this mode) > >Capabilities: >100ms(???) - 8sec delay >or >record a sample in sample mode and then trigger the sample in trigger mode. > >Repeat loop indefinately > >Operations and controls: >From left to right across the top panel of the pedal- > >3 way delay time range switch >toggles between the following delay ranges: >100ms-500ms, 500ms-2sec, 2sec-8sec > >Delay time knob >has a relative value of 1(least)-10(most) depending on the setting of the >delay time range switch. > >Rengeration knob >has a range of 1(least)-10(most) repeats of echo or loop. > >Mix knob >allows for wet/dry mix of signal and effect >ranges 0% effect/100% signal - 100% effect/0% signal > >LEDs for Effect on and Repeat on > >3 way toggle switch for changing mode >Normal >Trigger >Sample > >Output level knob > >Input level knob > >mono input for signal > >mono input for recording sample (trigger input) > >mono output > >Bypass pedal(effect on/off) > >Repeat(hold)/Trigger(initiates recorded sample) pedal > >Price new:???? >Used: I got one for $100 > >Sound quality: Fine but not high quality > >Size: around 5" high, 6" wide and 11/2" deep > >Color: blue :-) > >I like the user interface. It is very easy to use. All of the features >are right there. No hunting through menus on a rack device display. I >think it is a great low end looping device. If you are looking for cheap >looping this would be a great buy. Easily portable too. > >Sincerley, > >Hayden Porter >hporter@UAkron.edu > > > >From what I've heard at the Frisell concert, he could vary the speed and the pitch of his loops. He sapled a guitar phrase and then, tweaking the unit knobs, he could alter the nature of the loop. After the process you could not say that it was a guitar lick... really impressing. Hayden, do you know if it's possible with the pedal alone or he was using some other device that I missed? I know that Frisell used a Jamman and some other delay unit, too. One of these was Boss DD1 (digital delay). Any looping capabilities? Thanks Ciao Leo From ???@??? Sat Apr 19 01:42:34 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 18 11:27:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wIINC-0002Yb-00; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:27:02 -0700 Message-Id: <199704181820.LAA16762@scv4.apple.com> Subject: Re: Bill Frisell looping device Date: Fri, 18 Apr 97 13:20:05 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"VOSsuD.A.-8B.ht7Vz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:27:02 -0700 X-UIDL: 9759af71350fc0d9d5f8f71af228930f >I hate these >new fangled, steenkeeng menu-driven hunk-o-crap interfaces! When will the >manufacturers get it? Realtime, realtime, realtime! Knobs, knobs, knobs!!! When will end-users get it? Cost, cost, cost! Travis Hartnett P.S. I'm in complete agreement with you, but I don't think this trend in MI design is going away. From ???@??? Fri Apr 18 08:47:53 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 18 06:45:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wIDye-00022M-00; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 06:45:24 -0700 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:42:23 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) Subject: Re: Bill Frisell looping device Resent-Message-ID: <"d1QwID.A.jwB.Ep3Vz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 06:45:24 -0700 X-UIDL: d34a2e73b3411bc38c9e9d82ecc40983 Leonardo Cavallo wrote regarding Echoplus: >>From what I've heard at the Frisell concert, he could vary the speed and the >pitch of his loops. He sapled a guitar phrase and then, tweaking the unit >knobs, he could alter the nature of the loop. After the process you could >not say that it was a guitar lick... really impressing. Hayden, do you know >if it's possible with the pedal alone or he was using some other device that >I missed? > >I know that Frisell used a Jamman and some other delay unit, too. One of >these was Boss DD1 (digital delay). Any looping capabilities? I have heard recordings of Frisell doing this. I am pretty sure that he is just turning the delay time knob on the echoplus while an echo or a loop is going. This would speed up the echo and transpose the pitch at the same time. Hayden hporter@UAkron.edu From ???@??? Sat Apr 19 01:43:11 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 18 14:27:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wILBo-0000Qr-00; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:27:28 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:43:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: patrick@his.com (Patrick Smith) Subject: Roland US 2 Resent-Message-ID: <"IWTKDD.A.YD.EY-Vz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:27:28 -0700 X-UIDL: 70ee3333f610c4271b4a8141e15559fc On Friday 4/17/97 Eric Fischer wrote: I need a Roland A/B switch for the 24 pin cable on the GR300 & GR700 guitar synths. I believe the model is US-2. Good luck Eric, my partner Steev Geest has been looking for one of these for a year. Very hard to come by. Patrick *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~Patrick/FNGP.html *** ** From ???@??? Sat Apr 19 01:42:27 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 18 10:44:46 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wIHiE-0007bf-00; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:44:42 -0700 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:37:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Bill Frisell looping device In-Reply-To: <19970418130139250.AAA237@Default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"4ZJNGC.A.AvG.IG7Vz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:44:42 -0700 X-UIDL: bac999f1b89407ff59c87d39b5c79fc5 On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, LEONARDO CAVALLO wrote: > From what I've heard at the Frisell concert, he could vary the speed and the > pitch of his loops. He sapled a guitar phrase and then, tweaking the unit > knobs, he could alter the nature of the loop. After the process you could > not say that it was a guitar lick... really impressing. Hayden, do you know > if it's possible with the pedal alone or he was using some other device that > I missed? By fiddling with the delay time knob you change the speed of the existing sample/loop. -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti From ???@??? Sat Apr 19 01:42:13 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 18 10:11:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wIHBr-0005JN-00; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:11:15 -0700 X-Sender: efisch@artnet.net (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:05:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: efisch@artnet.net (Eric R. Fischer) Subject: Help! Resent-Message-ID: <"FE5zuB.A.bvE.Bp6Vz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:11:15 -0700 X-UIDL: 4e776e8768ea11e6926eaa2128fe0883 I've Hoping maybe someone on the list can help me. I'm looking for a couple of pieces of gear and not having much luck finding them in LA. I need a Roland A/B switch for the 24 pin cable on the GR300 & GR700 guitar synths. I believe the model is US-2. I'm also looking for a couple of Steinberger guitars. The first is a GL2T equiped with the electronics for the GR300 & GR700 guitar synths. It's the 2 humbucker w/ transtrem. The second is the strat style GM model with binding on the body and a transtrem. Any info would be greatly appreciated! Andre-there is another venue in LA that might be of interest. It's called "Lumpy Gravy" on Beverly and it's kind of a Zappa tribute club run by one of the people responsible for Duckman. They have live events every night. Havn't been there myself but I've been told it's very cool! Thanks all - Eric ("huh, whu?" - Walter Cronkite in response to Stuttering John) From ???@??? Sat Apr 19 01:42:30 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 18 11:14:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wIIAx-0001fx-00; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:14:23 -0700 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:08:40 -0400 (EDT) From: PainPete@aol.com Message-ID: <970418140636_608917489@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Bill Frisell looping device Resent-Message-ID: <"u9-tq.A.gRB.wj7Vz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:14:23 -0700 X-UIDL: 0baa47fc3040eec74d1cce95a7c9a540 I do this all the time with my Digitech RDS-8000 and RDS 1900. I hate these new fangled, steenkeeng menu-driven hunk-o-crap interfaces! When will the manufacturers get it? Realtime, realtime, realtime! Knobs, knobs, knobs!!! Sorry, venting. In a message dated 97-04-18 13:44:40 EDT, you write: << Subj: Re: Bill Frisell looping device Date: 97-04-18 13:44:40 EDT From: alevin@ari.net (Adam Levin) Resent-from: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-to: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, LEONARDO CAVALLO wrote: > From what I've heard at the Frisell concert, he could vary the speed and the > pitch of his loops. He sapled a guitar phrase and then, tweaking the unit > knobs, he could alter the nature of the loop. After the process you could > not say that it was a guitar lick... really impressing. Hayden, do you know > if it's possible with the pedal alone or he was using some other device that > I missed? By fiddling with the delay time knob you change the speed of the existing sample/loop. -Adam >> From ???@??? Sat Apr 19 01:42:36 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 18 11:27:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wIINJ-0002Z6-00; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:27:09 -0700 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:27:34 -0400 (EDT) From: David Talento X-Sender: legion@omni1 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Digitech pedals... In-Reply-To: <970418140636_608917489@emout08.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"16gG-.A.AAC.Hu7Vz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 11:27:09 -0700 X-UIDL: 1875fb96272e098fa09fac9d579d7f0a Regarding the post on BF and realtime looping... I've been using the PDS1002 two second delay pedal for years (I actually have two of 'em now) I also use teh RDS3600 rack mount but in a differebnt way (Warping with the width feature is wonderful) Question: Has anyone put together a list of all the Digitech pedals and rack machines that are realtime loopers with knobs. I've also used the Ibanez DM1100 and some boss pieces. These are all very affordable and some have up to 8 seconds which is pretty useful. Grated they aren't Jam/plexes but for the money and availability (plus the real time knobs) they certainly warrent some attention. Anyone else use these creatures? Anyone care to comile a quick and dirty list of models and features? -------- Help Wanted Productions - Bringing you the best in organic electronic and sweaty rock music since we started. Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion Available Now!: "The Feedback Machine" a new studio album from the Music for Isolation Tanks live lineup. Only $6.00 postpaid! From ???@??? Sat Apr 19 01:42:43 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 18 12:02:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wIIvv-0005Qd-00; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:02:55 -0700 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 97 15:01:10 -0400 From: "" Message-Id: <9704181901.AA27555@lucille.Princeton.EDU> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Bill Frisell Resent-Message-ID: <"0LqxFD.A.uqE.3P8Vz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:02:55 -0700 X-UIDL: becd9cfdf1044d98bbe0e6cbc0124036 Bill has been using an Electro-harmonix 16 sec. delay for years which allows him to freely detune, reverse and generally pervert his guitar loops in concert. This devise is a "collector's item" now and the only ones I've found in the last few years have been > 1500.00$ ! I hope Kim and Motley and other delay hardware designers are checking out all the interest in the ability to detune loops in performance! The only devise I have that can do it is my delta lab Echotron (which is why I was interested in expanding the memory a few weeks ago thanks to all who replied!) Curtis Bahn crb@music.princeton.edu From ???@??? Sat Apr 19 01:42:46 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 18 12:13:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wIJ5l-0006EJ-00; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:13:05 -0700 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:07:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Kim Corbet Subject: Re: Bill Frisell looping device To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: <970418140636_608917489@emout08.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"WWs5DD.A.zaF.kZ8Vz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:13:05 -0700 X-UIDL: 5fdecaf71632428e615fdb096d423681 > new fangled, steenkeeng menu-driven hunk-o-crap interfaces! When will the > manufacturers get it? Realtime, realtime, realtime! Knobs, knobs, knobs!!! ...rang, rang, rang. From ???@??? Sat Apr 19 01:42:50 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 18 12:20:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wIJCv-0006q2-00; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:20:29 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970418192309.00a3d7f0@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:23:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V97 #57 Cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Resent-Message-ID: <"ErnPsB.A.IDG.hh8Vz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:20:29 -0700 X-UIDL: 362413f0a66e815571551fb5e6d9819b At 11:53 PM 4/17/97 -0400, KemMc@aol.com wrote: >Kevin >Try LLB Comp. At 1-800-848-8967 >You want 30pin mac simms 30 pin PC simms work fine in the plex, too. Speeds anywhere between 70ns and 120ns should be fine. I've also used 60ns without any trouble. Prices will vary with these different options - pick the cheapest one. kim >70n/s, matched pairs,same manufacturer,same lot >Prices are cheap and the chips are good. >kemMc@aol.com > > > _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 VLSI Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research From ???@??? Sat Apr 19 01:43:01 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 18 13:25:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wIKE2-0004Sg-00; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:25:42 -0700 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:29:29 -0400 (EDT) From: David Talento X-Sender: legion@omni1 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: EH 16sec delay found (WAS Re: Bill Frisell In-Reply-To: <9704181901.AA27555@lucille.Princeton.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"OwuETD.A.t9D.Zg9Vz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:25:42 -0700 X-UIDL: 06b8ce378ad6131d6642237294564e4e On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, wrote: > Bill has been using an Electro-harmonix 16 sec. delay for years which > allows him to freely detune, reverse and generally pervert his guitar > loops in concert. This devise is a "collector's item" now and the only ones > I've found in the last few years have been > 1500.00$ ! FWIW Rogue Music IN NYC a good but not cheap dealer of vintage synths and such had an EH 16 second delay in their last mailing for $795. I have always used them as a bench price for the top cost any item *should* be as they offer warrenties and are a fully professional business. Not to spread rumors but I know Sovtek/EH are reissuing the microsynth pedal (another VINTGE! item currently selling for hundreds) and are considering reissuing the 16 sec delay again for the same reason. -------- Help Wanted Productions - Bringing you the best in organic electronic and sweaty rock music since we started. Http://www.voicenet.com/~legion Available Now: "The Feedback Machine" a new studio album from the Music for Isolation Tanks live lineup. Only $6.00 postpaid! From ???@??? Sat Apr 19 01:43:15 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 18 15:40:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wIMKV-0005Kf-00; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:40:31 -0700 Message-ID: <335813BE.2B4D@interaccess.com> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:37:18 -0700 From: Jim Coker X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Roland US 2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"usD8N.A.2uE.Je_Vz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:40:31 -0700 X-UIDL: ef574b7f6d8c3a83e987915ed93906d6 You might try either black box or datatek, they make all sorts of computer switch boxes (datatek's run about $20 or serial). They may not have the roland connector, but you may be able to get a switcher for some other 24-or-more-conductor-cable and modify it yourself. I'm not sure about the electrical ramifications, but roland tech support may be able to help w/ that. jim Patrick Smith wrote: > > On Friday 4/17/97 Eric Fischer wrote: > > I need a Roland A/B switch for the 24 pin cable on the GR300 & > GR700 guitar synths. I believe the model is US-2. > > Good luck Eric, my partner Steev Geest has been looking for one of these > for a year. Very hard to come by. > > Patrick > > *** *** ** Fingerpaint http://www.his.com/~Patrick/FNGP.html *** ** > > From ???@??? Sat Apr 19 02:56:22 1997 >From kflint Sat Apr 19 02:30:52 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wIWTr-0000yY-00; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 02:30:51 -0700 X-Sender: kflint@pop.slip.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-mailer: Eudora Pro 2.1.3 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 02:25:21 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: kflint@annihilist.com (Kim Flint) Subject: Re: Digitech pedals... Resent-Message-ID: <"fmk6qB.A.f1.eBJWz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 02:30:51 -0700 X-UIDL: 6838833964f74a15a7ac9b640b70783c At 2:27 PM 4/18/97, David Talento wrote: >Regarding the post on BF and realtime looping... > >I've been using the PDS1002 two second delay pedal for years (I actually >have two of 'em now) I also use teh RDS3600 rack mount but in a >differebnt way (Warping with the width feature is wonderful) I got into looping and delays with a pds2000. I had lots of fun with it...I should pull it off the shelf one of these days and give it another spin..... >Question: > >Has anyone put together a list of all the Digitech pedals and rack >machines that are realtime loopers with knobs. I've also used the Ibanez >DM1100 and some boss pieces. These are all very affordable and some have >up to 8 seconds which is pretty useful. Grated they aren't Jam/plexes but >for the money and availability (plus the real time knobs) they certainly >warrent some attention. > >Anyone else use these creatures? Anyone care to comile a quick and dirty >list of models and features? I want to put together a page for all the digitech stuff. I've collected a couple bits so far, but I could really use some help. I don't know much about most of those units. Any contributions are most welcome! Oh, sorry I haven't added much to the web site in the past couple of months. All of my free time has been sucked into another project.... Hopefully that will lighten up a bit in a couple weeks.... thanks kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@annihilist.com | http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html http://www.annihilist.com/ | Loopers-Delight-request@annihilist.com From ???@??? Sat Apr 19 11:37:22 1997 >From kflint Sat Apr 19 10:25:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wIdtT-0003iv-00; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 10:25:47 -0700 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 13:22:58 -0400 (EDT) From: PainPete@aol.com Message-ID: <970419132257_452237103@emout11.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Digitech pedals... Resent-Message-ID: <"beilsB.A.eXD.y-PWz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 10:25:47 -0700 X-UIDL: be53753a21d7bc41fdf95b9d1393b1c8 There was a series of racks which were pretty much the same but for the lengh of memory and variations on the sample/trigger function. They all had knobs for delay time (one real-time variable knob, the range of which was determined by four buttons), speed, width, sample-hold, mix, feedback, input & output. They were the RDS 1900 (1.9 sec) and the rest were also named by how much memory they had - the RDS 2100 or something, 3600 or something, and 7600 or something. Then the RDS 8000 Time Machine came out which was the same deal with a different case and a full 8 seconds. I may have documentation somewhere if anyone wants to see it, though how to transmit it I'm not sure... By the way these are all very Frissel-like per that earlier topic... (And there were less fancy footpedal versions minus the speed and width controls, I think, and fewer input/output options...I had a two-second but it died a painful feedback-soaked electronic death...) I have the 1900 and 8000 and love them dearly. My first 1900 was stolen and it took me years to find another - When I got one back I felt such a deep sense of release I couldn't believe how much I'd missed it (loving gadgets is fun but bad for you when they go out of production so fast...setting myself up for a life of loss!) Pete PS - Does anyone know the resolution of the delay on those things? Is it some random bit size and sample rate that one might not expect? I've always wondered... From ???@??? Sun Apr 20 03:20:40 1997 >From kflint Sun Apr 20 02:02:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wIsVZ-0007JW-00; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 02:02:05 -0700 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 04:59:18 -0400 (EDT) From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <970420045918_1287673722@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sitar-like effect, by accident Resent-Message-ID: <"phf-tB.A.wvG.ksdWz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 02:02:05 -0700 X-UIDL: ffa0a99a47461d0bd2f627212b0b878b In a message dated 17/04/97 2:33:03, you write: >some interesting effects with a cordless drill Interesting effects also with tuning forks, and a gyroscope. From ???@??? Sun Apr 20 12:47:56 1997 >From kflint Sun Apr 20 03:56:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wIuIC-0001Wk-00; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 03:56:24 -0700 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 06:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704201051.GAA10494@shell.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@monmouth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Live looping/jersey area Resent-Message-ID: <"AOBvK.A.7VB.HXfWz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 03:56:24 -0700 X-UIDL: 88114e3be540f28bd895c5b85ab1f62a >hello all.. e.coast andre' here.... > >anyone in the nj area - my duo "Jfk's Lsd-Ufo" may be of interest to looping guitar & synth-heads like ourselves. We are drums, percussion (acous. & electr.) and guitar, and we both trigger synths and samplers (roland, casio, kawai, ensoniq. Lots of looping and crazy rhythms. Sortof in the boredoms, ruins area if you've heard them... from abrasion to beauty in a flash. Jungle sounds and silicon breathe > >here's the deal.. > >Mon april 28 > >THE SAINT >601 main st >asbury park, nj >908-775-9144 > >10:00 pm > >with the mighty....BUCKETHEAD....! > > >a completely unique guitarist - he's touring in support of a new release and this is his pre-nyc stop. don't miss it, the saint is a great small room to see shows in... > >Buckethead has played with Praxis, Bernie Worrell, John Zorn, Bootsy Collins and many many more.... > >Jfk's does improv music for percussion, drums, guitar, samples, and noise. > >be there> > >email andre@monmouth.com for directions, more info, email list, etc. > >thanx >> From ???@??? Sun Apr 20 12:47:59 1997 >From kflint Sun Apr 20 09:29:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wIzUb-0000Sa-00; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 09:29:33 -0700 Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 12:25:15 -0400 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: Sitar-like effect, by accident To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199704201225_MC2-1499-8EA2@compuserve.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"FtLRI.A.RV.0PkWz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 09:29:33 -0700 X-UIDL: 0885d410fa6458adff0f4e70d61d7103 > some interesting effects with a cordless drill >> Interesting effects also with tuning forks, and a gyroscope. ok, I can't stand back and say nothing when I read this. Interesting effects with a small portable turkish hand-held battery driven fan (I'm sure you can get them in the US too). Replace the wings of the fan by short pieces of nylon or steel strings, shoestrings, or other material, and hold it over different parts of your guitar to make very different and interesting sounds. I saw a member of the (highly recommendable) Fred Frith Guitar quartet using such a device on stage, and of course I had to have one too, but I had to wait until summer came and the turkish shops here in Cologne/Germany had a new supply of hand-held battery fans. Oh, how weird were the sounds I could make!! Also still an interesting device: the good old screwdriver. I've been using my screwdriver for many years now. Still remember the Steve Hillage concert (must have been the mid-seventies) and how excited I was seeing him use the screwdriver as a bow. The good thing about this is that you can hold it parallel to the frets to make straight chords, but also in another angle to make real weird microinterval chords. Why not add a ringmodulator? Next time I'll tell you about the possible misuses of the kind of walkman which has an inbuilt loudspeaker. Michael Peters mpeters@compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm From ???@??? Mon Apr 21 09:46:16 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 21 02:41:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wJFbe-00033G-00; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 02:41:54 -0700 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:39:23 +0200 (MET DST) From: Olivier Malhomme To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Micro synth In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: "GIS INFOBIOGEN, 7 rue Guy Moquet BP8, 94801 VILLEJUIF, France" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"jXdgt.A.yxC.TXzWz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 02:41:54 -0700 X-UIDL: 1a2558bfb2221a6487c9dc12facca3b5 >>>>Not to spread rumors but I know Sovtek/EH are reissuing the microsynth pedal (another VINTGE! item currently selling for hundreds)>>>> I got one for free ones upon a time in a store that could not konw what to do with it (???!!) Yes!. So I don't now what is its real street price, but you can a hold on it..... For those who do not know, it is a pedal (EH) with input and ouput both mono. Then you can adjust, with faders: Guitar level A tone an octave lower (quite octaver like but the boss OC-2 et warmer and more punchy to my opinion) A square wave at the pitch of the guitar, sounding quite raw, almost like a fuzz but... (see at "filter...) A tone an octave above, that a sound you could mistake for a Roland GR-300 with right FILTER setting (there an hidden message here) The filter (AH, can't Say I did not warn you) Analog low pass, resonating at its cutoff frequency with a faders adjusting 1) the cutoff "in" of the filter when you play your note, then the cutoff "out" of the note (sorry I don't know haow best say that in plain english or american). Basically, you adjust the sensitivity of the pedal with another fader, and the time of decay of the filter, providing with sensitivity, those to cut-off faders and he decay, a way to have an envelope for the filter that is even dynamic dependant. Sounds quite good, don't you think??? Olivier Malhomme (OOPPS!, wasn't it off topic...) From ???@??? Mon Apr 21 10:57:58 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 21 10:51:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wJNFC-000061-00; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:51:14 -0700 Message-Id: <199704211741.KAA08572@scv2.apple.com> Subject: Report on my looping show Date: Mon, 21 Apr 97 12:42:32 -0000 x-sender: hartne.t@mail.apple.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: "T.W. Hartnett" To: "Looper's Delight" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: <"PxC9JD.A.R2G.oc6Wz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:51:14 -0700 X-UIDL: 83c4e7e6c8fd080da2d41a033d574a15 Jon Matis and I played a looping show last Thursday. We'd persuaded one the local clubs to allow us to play in a side lounge area before the regular evening's entertainment began. The show went off pretty well, despite a few road-bumps along the way. The venue had reorganized the room since I'd last seen it, by adding in a small, short stage at one end of the L-shaped room. We'd been expecting that we'd be playing on the floor at the other end of the "L", but time didn't allow for us to move the furniture out the way. The stage was too small to allow both Jon and I to both be on the stage, so Jon put his equipment up there and sat on a stool next to the stage. I was on the stage, but not too happy about it, since a stage seems to frame the event in terms of "look up here--this is where the action is", and I was hoping for more of a sound-installation sort of vibe, where people were free to pay attention or ignore us as need be. There's not much to look at while we play, but the use of a stage implies to many people that they should be looking at what's going on on the stage. We played for about an hour and a half, sort of one long continually evolving piece. I've recently added a drum machine to my setup, and the Echoplex is set up to sync to the drum machine. I'd bring the drum machine in and out during the performance, since I don't always want to be tied to a steady rhythm, and the patterns that I've programmed at this point are short and simple, and I get bored with them after a while. People drifted in and out during the performance, and it seemed to be well-received. Another unfortunate result of our placement within the room was that the audience were seated quite close to us while we played. That makes me uncomfortable, and several audience members I spoke to later said that it was also uncomfortable for them. At times, it's sort of like having someone read over your shoulder. I was fairly happy with how it all went, but I did feel a pressure to keep things happening. When Jon and I play without an audience, I feel much more free to lay out with a very sparse groove, but the pressure of having an audience made me less comfortable with space. Travis Hartnett From ???@??? Mon Apr 21 09:46:20 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 21 06:32:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wJJCm-0000am-00; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 06:32:28 -0700 X-From_:nyfac2@nyfac.com Mon Apr 21 06:32:26 1997 Received: from mail2.panix.com [198.7.0.33] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wJJCi-0000aJ-00; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 06:32:24 -0700 Received: from o2 ([208.7.228.2]) by mail2.panix.com (8.8.5/8.7.1/PanixM1.0) with SMTP id JAA14167 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <335B7AA0.167E@nyfac.com> Old-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:33:04 -0400 From: nyfac2 Organization: New York Film & Animation Co. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SGoldC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Sitar-like effect, by accident References: <199704201225_MC2-1499-8EA2@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 06:32:28 -0700 X-UIDL: 48874ad9d4e9251c70285c96caa0bfad > Next time I'll tell you about the possible misuses of the kind of walkman > which has an inbuilt loudspeaker. This is something that I am interested in... Trev From ???@??? Mon Apr 21 09:46:24 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 21 06:38:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wJJIu-0000mi-00; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 06:38:48 -0700 X-From_:nyfac2@nyfac.com Mon Apr 21 06:38:47 1997 Received: from mail2.panix.com [198.7.0.33] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wJJIt-0000mX-00; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 06:38:47 -0700 Received: from o2 ([208.7.228.2]) by mail2.panix.com (8.8.5/8.7.1/PanixM1.0) with SMTP id JAA14479 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <335B7C1F.446B@nyfac.com> Old-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:39:27 -0400 From: nyfac2 Organization: New York Film & Animation Co. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SGoldC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Micro synth References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 06:38:48 -0700 X-UIDL: 4288173ddbf699790774183f5194fa36 Hmmm.... Is there anyone here who wouldn't want one of those little bastards? Maybe we should write to old Mike Matthews and give him a hard time. Does anyone know where to get the schematics for one? It might be possible to build a few (many of us seem to be so inclined) if we could get boards printed/etched/whatever. Trevor From ???@??? Mon Apr 21 09:46:28 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 21 08:21:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wJKuU-0005fM-00; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 08:21:42 -0700 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:17:42 -0400 (EDT) From: BobbyZZZ@aol.com Message-ID: <970421111741_-2003360832@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: LVX NOVA on tour in July--and need help :-) Resent-Message-ID: <"GQqNmB.A.dHF.WV4Wz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 08:21:42 -0700 X-UIDL: b56956745ffb9834d9d256c434aa007c hi all! well, we are going to attempt a small tour in July, as we have to play at our distribution company BMG's convention in NYC. so if any of you on the list who live along the eastern seaboard between miami and NYC know of any good places we should contact, please let us know...and we'd love to have some of you play with us if possible...please contact me via email so as not to clog the loop list, and thanks! musically and loopily yours: bobby devito/lvx nova http://www.sar.usf.edu/~devito the official LVX NOVA website From ???@??? Tue Apr 22 00:21:12 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 21 18:03:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wJTzC-0004Lh-00; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:03:10 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:10:32 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: Report on my looping show Resent-Message-ID: <"ZmMqbD.A.EyD.I1AXz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:03:10 -0700 X-UIDL: 20e5d0f8cd66b1a6db0cf3c3be130491 Thanks Travis for the report on your show. I totally empathize with small spaces and unexpected situations. Playing live with a lot of equipment always seems to facilitate Murphys' law. From ???@??? Tue Apr 22 00:21:11 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 21 17:44:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wJTgo-00035C-00; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:44:10 -0700 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 20:40:12 -0400 (EDT) From: PainPete@aol.com Message-ID: <970421203808_-567061844@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Micro synth Resent-Message-ID: <"9xrkoC.A.KsC.tkAXz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:44:10 -0700 X-UIDL: f0c2298957a7104a5c072a5e85014a98 Is this the gizmo Helios Creed uses (besides Crybaby, delay and everything else) to get that "retro-future" sound? (Helios Creed = Guitarist of proto-industrial weirdo-rock band "Chrome", now gone solo). I saw him play once and he had this metalic big-muff looking thing which was some sort of quasi-guitar synth. Been wondering ever since what the heck it was. (Not quite loop-related, but Helios Creed uses so much delay he almost counts as a looper!) In a message dated 97-04-21 05:41:26 EDT, you write: << >>>>Not to spread rumors but I know Sovtek/EH are reissuing the microsynth pedal (another VINTGE! item currently selling for hundreds)>>>> I got one for free ones upon a time in a store that could not konw what to do with it (???!!) Yes!. So I don't now what is its real street price, but you can a hold on it..... For those who do not know, it is a pedal (EH) with input and ouput both mono. Then you can adjust, with faders: Guitar level A tone an octave lower (quite octaver like but the boss OC-2 et warmer and more punchy to my opinion) A square wave at the pitch of the guitar, sounding quite raw, almost like a fuzz but... (see at "filter...) A tone an octave above, that a sound you could mistake for a Roland GR-300 with right FILTER setting (there an hidden message here) The filter (AH, can't Say I did not warn you) Analog low pass, resonating at its cutoff frequency with a faders adjusting 1) the cutoff "in" of the filter when you play your note, then the cutoff "out" of the note (sorry I don't know haow best say that in plain english or american). Basically, you adjust the sensitivity of the pedal with another fader, and the time of decay of the filter, providing with sensitivity, those to cut-off faders and he decay, a way to have an envelope for the filter that is even dynamic dependant. Sounds quite good, don't you think??? Olivier Malhomme (OOPPS!, wasn't it off topic...) >> From ???@??? Tue Apr 22 00:21:13 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 21 18:21:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wJUGi-0005Qw-00; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:21:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 21:14:47 PST Subject: Vortex Message-ID: <19970421.211452.8271.0.JesseKudler@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.00 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4 From: jessekudler@juno.com (Jesse G Kudler) Resent-Message-ID: <"w3igK.A.O4E.1GBXz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:21:16 -0700 X-UIDL: ac7574b2c7ca9579fa0e6f357c8a1a99 Does anyone know if those mythical $150 new Vortexes are still around and where I can get one? Thanks, Jesse From ???@??? Tue Apr 22 22:01:22 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 22 12:26:40 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wJlD0-0003co-00; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:26:34 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:33:03 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: mgsam@wave.net Subject: Re: Vortex Resent-Message-ID: <"CmXSQB.A.IBD.l-QXz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:26:34 -0700 X-UIDL: 8948e7cffe5ebb0fc7480a2d3ae98519 You wrote: >Does anyone know if those mythical $150 new Vortexes are still around and >where I can get one? > >Thanks, >Jesse Jesse, they are long gone...we think, but if you find a stash, please email because we will provide numbers to our Swiss Bank accounts in exchange for more Vortextual amplitude. Best, The Loop Doctors From ???@??? Tue Apr 22 22:01:06 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 22 10:46:36 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wJjeD-0004MW-00; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:46:33 -0700 Message-ID: <335CEBDB.4F14@nyfac.com> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:48:27 -0400 From: nyfac X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Ground controller with JamMan References: <970419132257_452237103@emout11.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"TcxdEB.A.JkD.CePXz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:46:33 -0700 X-UIDL: 7214187fc8d5303090b31077f9264f25 Finished programming my GC last week and I just thought I would say that what a dramatic improvement it has made. I am having a much easier time getting my loops timed properly, and having control over my regeneration in echo mode given me a whole new lease on life/looping. I got a fairly descent deal on the GC too (found it used) and the ROM update (you have to run 2.0 or better, I think to have it work) was pretty cheap. Programming it is not tricky, just a bit tedious. The effort is worth it though. I heartily recommend on to anyone having trouble with the standard pedal, and I would be willing to give my standard pedal up to anyone who would want to pay for the shipping/cod/whatever. I get to keep the stereo cable, though, as it may come in handy for other things.... Trev PS- Is there any way to control the input gain via midi? I doubt it, but I would find it very useful. My old volume pedal works out ok, except for a bit of noise every now and then. From ???@??? Tue Apr 22 22:01:15 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 22 11:33:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wJkN9-0007bB-00; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:32:59 -0700 Message-ID: <01BC4F26.760AC4A0@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Ground controller with JamMan Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:07:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"8h8DeD.A.BmG.aJQXz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:32:59 -0700 X-UIDL: 26769bb7dc97f9485f32be07b25fd3ed Trev, I have tried several times to use a continuous control pedal (a Roland volume pedal) with my Ground Control (software version 1.0) to control the volume on my Peavey ProFex (software version 1.3). The results have always been horrible. There's no noise, but you loose the smooth transition from minimum to maximum volume. It abruptly steps from one MIDI volume value to the next. I've used a volume pedal for a long, long time and feel like my guitar is missing a couple of strings when I don't use one. If anyone knows how to eliminate this stair-step, zippering, I'd be most appreciative. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ---------- From: nyfac[SMTP:nyfac2@nyfac.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 1997 12:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Ground controller with JamMan Finished programming my GC last week and I just thought I would say that what a dramatic improvement it has made. I am having a much easier time getting my loops timed properly, and having control over my regeneration in echo mode given me a whole new lease on life/looping. I got a fairly descent deal on the GC too (found it used) and the ROM update (you have to run 2.0 or better, I think to have it work) was pretty cheap. Programming it is not tricky, just a bit tedious. The effort is worth it though. I heartily recommend on to anyone having trouble with the standard pedal, and I would be willing to give my standard pedal up to anyone who would want to pay for the shipping/cod/whatever. I get to keep the stereo cable, though, as it may come in handy for other things.... Trev PS- Is there any way to control the input gain via midi? I doubt it, but I would find it very useful. My old volume pedal works out ok, except for a bit of noise every now and then. From ???@??? Tue Apr 22 22:01:21 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 22 12:13:31 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wJl0I-0002hY-00; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:13:26 -0700 X-Sender: jtaylor@scsn.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: jtaylor@scsn.net (Jay Taylor) Subject: Re: Micro synth Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:00:33 -0400 Message-ID: <19970422190031623.AAA134@ent6> Resent-Message-ID: <"UYzZIB.A.zDC.iwQXz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:13:26 -0700 X-UIDL: db81ed7f5ffa518472e1b9b6aec88c68 i am trying to imagine what this sound is like. is it like the wacky guitar-controlled sound on "goin' mobile" on the "who's next" album? does anybody know what that gizmo that was? At 08:40 PM 4/21/97 -0400, you wrote: > >Is this the gizmo Helios Creed uses (besides Crybaby, delay and everything >else) to get that "retro-future" sound? (Helios Creed = Guitarist of >proto-industrial weirdo-rock band "Chrome", now gone solo). I saw him play >once and he had this metalic big-muff looking thing which was some sort of >quasi-guitar synth. Been wondering ever since what the heck it was. > >(Not quite loop-related, but Helios Creed uses so much delay he almost counts >as a looper!) > >In a message dated 97-04-21 05:41:26 EDT, you write: > ><< > >>>>Not to spread rumors but I know Sovtek/EH are reissuing the microsynth > pedal (another VINTGE! item currently selling for hundreds)>>>> > > I got one for free ones upon a time in a store that could not konw what to > do with it (???!!) Yes!. So I don't now what is its real street price, but > you can a hold on it..... > > For those who do not know, it is a pedal (EH) with input and ouput both > mono. Then you can adjust, with faders: > Guitar level > A tone an octave lower (quite octaver like but the boss OC-2 et warmer and > more punchy to my opinion) > A square wave at the pitch of the guitar, sounding quite raw, almost like > a fuzz but... (see at "filter...) > A tone an octave above, that a sound you could mistake for a Roland > GR-300 with right FILTER setting (there an hidden message here) > > The filter (AH, can't Say I did not warn you) > > Analog low pass, resonating at its cutoff frequency with a faders > adjusting 1) the cutoff "in" of the filter when you play your note, then > the cutoff "out" of the note (sorry I don't know haow best say that in > plain english or american). Basically, you adjust the sensitivity of the > pedal with another fader, and the time of decay of the filter, providing > with sensitivity, those to cut-off faders and he decay, a way to have an > envelope for the filter that is even dynamic dependant. Sounds quite good, > don't you think??? > > Olivier Malhomme > > (OOPPS!, wasn't it off topic...) > >> > > > Jay Taylor Reporter The State Columbia, SC (v) 803 771 8549 (f) 803 771 8430, 8480 From ???@??? Tue Apr 22 22:01:24 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 22 12:26:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wJlDB-0003dm-00; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:26:45 -0700 Message-ID: <01BC4F31.DD7ED580@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Micro synth Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 15:28:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"KHEopC.A.WKD.TARXz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:26:45 -0700 X-UIDL: ee05ecf8fad1d3a84c8bb49089570379 Jay, I had a chance to buy a E-H Micro Synth in the mid-'80s for $35.00 and I passed on it. It sounds like an octave down and an octave up played through an overdrive with envelope effects that ranged from subtle to (I think) near self-oscillation--like an analog synth when the filter cutoff control is turned down and the resonance control is turned up. I think it could do a decent job of re-creating the "Going Mobile" sound. >From what I remember, it only sounded good with single note lines--it seemed to cut the highs a fair amount; chords sounded too mushy. Now, since I've been through analog, digital and sampling technologies, I'd welcome the opportunity to re-evaluate the Micro Synth. Vintage units are selling for around $350 ! ? They're occasionally listed in Vintage Guitar's ads. Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com ---------- From: Jay Taylor[SMTP:jtaylor@scsn.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 1997 3:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Micro synth i am trying to imagine what this sound is like. is it like the wacky guitar-controlled sound on "goin' mobile" on the "who's next" album? does anybody know what that gizmo that was? At 08:40 PM 4/21/97 -0400, you wrote: > >Is this the gizmo Helios Creed uses (besides Crybaby, delay and everything >else) to get that "retro-future" sound? (Helios Creed = Guitarist of >proto-industrial weirdo-rock band "Chrome", now gone solo). I saw him play >once and he had this metalic big-muff looking thing which was some sort of >quasi-guitar synth. Been wondering ever since what the heck it was. > >(Not quite loop-related, but Helios Creed uses so much delay he almost counts >as a looper!) > >In a message dated 97-04-21 05:41:26 EDT, you write: > ><< > >>>>Not to spread rumors but I know Sovtek/EH are reissuing the microsynth > pedal (another VINTGE! item currently selling for hundreds)>>>> > > I got one for free ones upon a time in a store that could not konw what to > do with it (???!!) Yes!. So I don't now what is its real street price, but > you can a hold on it..... > > For those who do not know, it is a pedal (EH) with input and ouput both > mono. Then you can adjust, with faders: > Guitar level > A tone an octave lower (quite octaver like but the boss OC-2 et warmer and > more punchy to my opinion) > A square wave at the pitch of the guitar, sounding quite raw, almost like > a fuzz but... (see at "filter...) > A tone an octave above, that a sound you could mistake for a Roland > GR-300 with right FILTER setting (there an hidden message here) > > The filter (AH, can't Say I did not warn you) > > Analog low pass, resonating at its cutoff frequency with a faders > adjusting 1) the cutoff "in" of the filter when you play your note, then > the cutoff "out" of the note (sorry I don't know haow best say that in > plain english or american). Basically, you adjust the sensitivity of the > pedal with another fader, and the time of decay of the filter, providing > with sensitivity, those to cut-off faders and he decay, a way to have an > envelope for the filter that is even dynamic dependant. Sounds quite good, > don't you think??? > > Olivier Malhomme > > (OOPPS!, wasn't it off topic...) > >> > > > Jay Taylor Reporter The State Columbia, SC (v) 803 771 8549 (f) 803 771 8430, 8480 From ???@??? Tue Apr 22 22:01:27 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 22 12:34:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wJlKg-0004G0-00; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:34:30 -0700 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:28:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Stew Benedict Subject: RE: Micro synth To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com In-Reply-To: <01BC4F31.DD7ED580@mark.asisoftware.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"_yUeCC.A.tlD.BGRXz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:34:30 -0700 X-UIDL: e3476638ddcfbc41c0eae004fc2924ea Jeez, I wish I'd have known there was so much interest in this old EH stuff here. I just sold a whole pedalboard full, that I've owned since the 70's. Personally, I'd take the new stuff over it anytime. The tracking on the microsynth was horrible, and all of the EH stuff was pretty noisy. Stew Benedict From ???@??? Tue Apr 22 22:01:42 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 22 17:44:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wJqA1-0001Rb-00; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 17:43:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Ground controller and Midi volume control (was JamMan) Message-ID: <19970422.183342.4054.1.zenchi@juno.com> References: <01BC4F26.760AC4A0@mark.asisoftware.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.15 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-6,8-10,12-15,17,19,21-23,25-30 From: zenchi@juno.com (Robert L Williams) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 20:34:03 EDT Resent-Message-ID: <"eVC3c.A.f4.NmVXz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 17:43:49 -0700 X-UIDL: fb6e337be83de7134ab3c4853c9d88c6 On Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:07:04 -0400 Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) writes: >I have tried several times to use a continuous control pedal (a Roland >volume pedal) with my Ground Control (software version 1.0) to control >the volume on my Peavey ProFex (software version 1.3). >The results have always been horrible. There's no noise, but you >loose the smooth transition from minimum to maximum volume. It abruptly >steps from one MIDI volume value to the next. Volume pedals like the Roland (actually their expression pedals too) have a minimum "volume" knob, which the GC hates. It decreases the range of continuous controller info and contributes to the zipper effect. I use Ernie Ball Volume pedals for both volume control and MIDI CC. Though this pedal makes for a smoother MIDI volume transition, I still run the extra cable to run an audio volume pedal rather than use MIDI CC. Optimally, I'm looking for one of the old Rocktron dual VCA devices to place in my rack. If anyone finds or has one please let me know. Kim, would you repost the address for the Boogie newsgroup/discussion list? Thanks. Regards, Robert Williams DERISION From ???@??? Tue Apr 22 22:01:46 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 22 20:08:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wJsPb-0003Uz-00; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 20:08:03 -0700 X-Sender: paulpop@marlin.ssnet.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 21:38:34 -0500 To: Amielke@juno.com, arlene@cmhpsr.upenn.edu, bwetherbee@state.de.us, djefferson@state.de.us, Renna & Alina , Erikar@udel.edu, labarge@udel.edu, Acstine@aol.com, baron@olywa.net, bfelson@commongrd.com, Christie.G@Mail.MCD.Gen.De.US, CYNTHIA@server.section.upenn.edu, DrAugstrom@aol.com, elizabeth.enterprise@mailbag.com, jspeer@haverford.edu, KBarnes@popmail.brynmawr.edu, MTippett@state.de.us, Loughery@ssnet.com, Timtone@netshop.net, ROBERT HAKALSKI <73612.2122@compuserve.com>, Monda@aol.com, jbarnes@astro.ocis.temple.edu, Stuartb@voicenet.com, PAMiles@strauss.udel.edu, P.Woznicki@genie.geis.com, out@oddgirl.demon.co.uk, NDiMaria@aol.com, ccohen@voicenet.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, michpres@erols.com, mdozier@udel.edu, Lucie45@aol.com, PMimlitsch@aol.com, Juttascott@hotmail.com, BALL@music.SFSYMPHONY.ORG, David Forlano , Ed Schweizer , spfeifer@state.de.us, MJones@wlgore.com, Beth_Krieger@diamond.net.udel.edu From: paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Ph.D.) Subject: GIG THIS WEEK Cc: SRoberts@Mail.MCD.Gen.De.US, BKPanula@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <"VHNUv.A.wED.exXXz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 20:08:03 -0700 X-UIDL: ecb57b4ea412439df96bb2d027f0e20c The music improvisational ensemble, "ACCIDENTS WILL HAPPEN" (AWL) will be performing this Saturday night, April 26 @ JAM'N & JAVA, from around 8 - 11PM. JAM'N & JAVA is an intimate coffehouse in Newark, Delaware @ 99 Newark Shopping Center ... phone number is 302/456-3031. It is easily accessible from I95. For those of you who don't already know, AWL has been performing in its current form for almost two years though some members have played together for close to 20 years. The players are Steve Roberts (bass), Bruce Panula (drums) & Paul Poplawski (guitar). The group employes various sonic and compositional devices in hopes proliferating the space-time-sweat & silly dimension. You can be the judge as to our success. Hope to see you there. Other shows coming up in May and June with an improvisational workshop planned for May 17 at the Arts House of the Newark Arts Alliance. Aliens also invited. Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. email = ppoplawski@state.de.us or paulpop@ssnet.com phone service = 302/737-4491 weekday office = 302/577-4980 From ???@??? Wed Apr 23 09:52:17 1997 >From kflint Wed Apr 23 03:45:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wJzXw-0005G8-00; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 03:45:08 -0700 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 97 06:37:45 EDT From: c62op27@ibx.com (Victor Fiorillo) Message-Id: <9704231037.AA03772@ibx.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: MicroSynth Resent-Message-ID: <"hcMuYC.A.u0E.heeXz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 03:45:08 -0700 X-UIDL: 8f9c4d95231d9871408da0ee362bfcd0 In my band, I regularly use an original microsynth to affect some of my keyboard sounds. The unit is a little unpredictable with these frequencies, which I like because it never sounds the same 2x. From ???@??? Wed Apr 23 09:52:21 1997 >From kflint Wed Apr 23 06:13:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wK1rP-0001N7-00; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 06:13:23 -0700 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:07:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: paulpop@marlin.ssnet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain To: Amielke@juno.com, arlene@cmhpsr.upenn.edu, bwetherbee@state.de.us, djefferson@state.de.us, Renna & Alina , Erikar@udel.edu, labarge@udel.edu, Acstine@aol.com, baron@olywa.net, bfelson@commongrd.com, Christie.G@Mail.MCD.Gen.De.US, CYNTHIA@server.section.upenn.edu, DrAugstrom@aol.com, elizabeth.enterprise@mailbag.com, jspeer@haverford.edu, KBarnes@popmail.brynmawr.edu, MTippett@state.de.us, Loughery@ssnet.com, Timtone@netshop.net, ROBERT HAKALSKI <73612.2122@compuserve.com>, Monda@aol.com, jbarnes@astro.ocis.temple.edu, Stuartb@voicenet.com, PAMiles@strauss.udel.edu, P.Woznicki@genie.geis.com, out@oddgirl.demon.co.uk, NDiMaria@aol.com, ccohen@voicenet.com, Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com, michpres@erols.com, mdozier@udel.edu, Lucie45@aol.com, PMimlitsch@aol.com, Juttascott@hotmail.com, BALL@music.SFSYMPHONY.ORG, David Forlano , Ed Schweizer , spfeifer@state.de.us, MJones@wlgore.com, Beth_Krieger@diamond.net.udel.edu From: Paulpop@ssnet.com (Paul Poplawski, Phd) Resent-Message-ID: <"38bio.A.CIB.cogXz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 06:13:23 -0700 X-UIDL: 1ee2b411c066105db34b53f4fab67c5e The music improvisational ensemble, "ACCIDENTS WILL HAPPEN" (AWL) will be performing this Saturday night, April 26 @ JAM'N & JAVA, from around 8 - 11PM. JAM'N & JAVA is an intimate coffehouse in Newark,Delaware @ 99 Newark Shopping Center ... phone number is 302/456-3031. It is easily accessible from I95. If you need directions let me know. For those of you who don't already know, AWL has been performing in its current form for almost two years though some members have played together for close to 20 years. The players are Steve Roberts (bass), Bruce Panula (drums) & Paul Poplawski (guitar). The group employes various sonic and compositional devices in hopes of proliferating the space-time-sweat & silly dimension. You can be the judge as to our success. Hope to see you there. Other shows coming up in May and June with an improvisational workshop planned for May 17 at the Arts House of the Newark Arts Alliance. Aliens also invited. Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. email = ppoplawski@state.de.us or paulpop@ssnet.com phone service = 302/737-4491 weekday office = 302/577-4980 °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°° Paul Poplawski, Ph.D. email = ppoplawski@state.de.us or paulpop@ssnet.com phone (service) = 302/737-4491 weekday office = 302/577-4980 From ???@??? Wed Apr 23 22:56:39 1997 >From kflint Wed Apr 23 14:17:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wK9Q5-0006cH-00; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:17:41 -0700 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 16:59:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Trueman To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Subject: GC upgrade Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"a6Ncs.A.o6F.XtnXz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:17:41 -0700 X-UIDL: 032dc55acd5bcbad8b92067d17a8a064 I'm wondering if somebody who has upgraded their Ground Control to V2.0 could give me some idea of the improvements. I'm interested, but I'd rather not have to reprogram my whole pedal if it's not that much better... Thanks! Dan Trueman From ???@??? Wed Apr 23 22:56:41 1997 >From kflint Wed Apr 23 15:17:59 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wKAMK-0003Iv-00; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:17:52 -0700 Message-ID: <335E791E.907@lafn.org> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:03:26 -0700 From: Francis Leach Reply-To: ba754@lafn.org Organization: lafn.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: GC upgrade References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"O2_uOD.A.CnC.NkoXz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:17:52 -0700 X-UIDL: 54a202c5036e79196daefa10430583b3 Dan Trueman wrote: > > I'm wondering if somebody who has upgraded their Ground Control to V2.0 > could give me some idea of the improvements. I'm interested, but I'd > rather not have to reprogram my whole pedal if it's not that much > better... > > Thanks! > Dan Trueman Please unsubscribe me (remove me from the subscription) list as I don't have time to read the messages. Thanks Francis Leach ba754@lafn.org From ???@??? Thu Apr 24 09:38:33 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 24 05:09:45 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wKNLM-0003BR-00; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 05:09:44 -0700 Message-ID: <01BC5087.99300780@mark.asisoftware.com> From: Mark@asisoftware.com (Mark Kata) To: "'loopers-delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: Soundbytes on a Website Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 08:14:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <"TC8j-.A.X3C.I00Xz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 05:09:44 -0700 X-UIDL: 30f85f4c3cebf97a006d97c87caddc46 I know this is off topic, but I've learned many useful things from my fellow loopers. I'm developing a website for a singer/songwriter and want to include brief (30 second) samples of his songs. I used the internal recorder in my PC while playing his CD on it. When I recorded an excerpt at "CD quality--mono" the file was 1.6MEG. Then I tried recording it at "Radio quality--mono" and the file was 700K. The 700K version took about 5 minutes to download from the Internet. What should I do to reduce the size of the file and make downloading faster? Thanks, Mark Kata Mark@asisoftware.com From ???@??? Thu Apr 24 09:38:36 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 24 06:23:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wKOUb-0005Ue-00; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 06:23:21 -0700 X-From_:nyfac2@nyfac.com Thu Apr 24 06:23:20 1997 Received: from mail2.panix.com [198.7.0.33] by ferret.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wKOUZ-0005UQ-00; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 06:23:19 -0700 Received: from o2 ([208.7.228.2]) by mail2.panix.com (8.8.5/8.7.1/PanixM1.0) with SMTP id JAA29012 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <335F6E4C.167E@nyfac.com> Old-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:29:32 -0400 From: nyfac2 Organization: New York Film & Animation Co. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SGoldC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Soundbytes on a Website References: <01BC5087.99300780@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: Loopers-Delight Sender: SmartList Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 06:23:21 -0700 X-UIDL: 4af2df945f5e323309ad0757e9d576e0 > What should I do to reduce the size of the file and make downloading faster? You could run the analog outs of your CD player into your computer and sample at a lower rate- 33KHz works pretty well for this sort of thing. Oh yeah, and be sure that you have clear and appropriate links to where you can download the proper drivers... There have been about ten bands in the Sonic Lodge in the Addicted to Noise site, but I can never get to hearing them because they break the ten minute rule- if I chase around for ten minutes and still can't get it to work, I look for something else to do. It's a shame in a way though... I would have liked to hear clips from that new Wayne Kramer record. Trev From ???@??? Thu Apr 24 19:59:58 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 24 10:13:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wKS5i-0003pg-00; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:13:54 -0700 Message-ID: <335F9530.1880@crystalball.com> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 12:15:28 -0500 From: "Mikell D. Nelson" Reply-To: mnelson@crystalball.com Organization: Boomerang Musical Products X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Soundbytes on a Website References: <01BC5087.99300780@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"YQBFc.A.HMD.xN5Xz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:13:54 -0700 X-UIDL: a9d3fefd4dd200b62ab7647830d01817 Mark Kata wrote: > I'm developing a website for a singer/songwriter and want to include brief (30 second) samples of his songs. > > I used the internal recorder in my PC while playing his CD on it. When I recorded an excerpt at "CD quality--mono" the file was 1.6MEG. Then I tried recording it at "Radio quality--mono" and the file was 700K. > The 700K version took about 5 minutes to download from the Internet. > What should I do to reduce the size of the file and make downloading faster? There is a software technology called self-extracting files. These files contain a very small decompression engine and compressed data. The relatively small file is downloaded and then executed. The decompression engine does it's magic and expands the file to it's natural state. The file can then be played. The beauty is the person getting the file needs no special software to expand the file. On your end, you need the utility to create the self-extracting file; it will compress your sound file and insert the decompression engine. I have used this technology to move large graphic files between computers on floppy disk. I don't recall any specific vendor names, but you can probably find them easily by searching the net or calling a PC store. I was using Macintoshes, but surely this technology exists for PCs. Motley From ???@??? Thu Apr 24 20:00:14 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 24 11:55:09 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wKTfY-0003C9-00; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:55:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199704241848.LAA25582@usr04.primenet.com> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: , Subject: Re: Soundbytes on a Website Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:48:32 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"2gqdGD.A.NlC.fs6Xz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:55:00 -0700 X-UIDL: b14852485b0995b2e4a8d007c256d0c9 > I'm developing a website for a singer/songwriter and want to include brief (30 second) samples of his songs. > > I used the internal recorder in my PC while playing his CD on it. When I recorded an excerpt at "CD quality--mono" the file was 1.6MEG. Then I tried recording it at "Radio quality--mono" and the file was 700K. > > The 700K version took about 5 minutes to download from the Internet. > > What should I do to reduce the size of the file and make downloading faster? First off I recommend using other than the Sound Recorder or Media Player to record the pieces. If your sound card didn't come with a recorder that lets you control the quality level of the sound file, go get ahold of Cool Edit, at http://www.syntrillium.com - I use it to record my pieces directly to hard disk, and it does a great job of clean-up if you need to do that too. The major strength is of course that you can specify 44.1KHz, 16-bit Stereo for the file output. Secondly, the resultant 5-minute .WAV file will be prohibitively huge anyway - so go to http://www.realaudio.com and get a copy of the 3.0 encoder for RealAudio, which, amongst others, accepts .WAV files as source material for encoding into a .RA or .RAM file. The RA file will be greatly reduced in size but not in quality...! For an example of this, go to my EarthLight Studios at http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios and note the size of the two RealAudio files I've got there for downloading/listening. The original WAV files were in the neighborhood of 54MB each! The encoded RA files are about 600KB. This is well within the limitations as far as size and speed of downloading is concerned. And, if your ISP supports streaming audio using RealAudio (like mine doesn't!), the people clicking on the links to your files will hear it playing almost immediately. Hope this helps. Any other questions, let me know! Stephen. * Stephen Goodman It's the Loop Of The Week! And it's free! * EarthLight Productions http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios From ???@??? Thu Apr 24 20:00:18 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 24 13:55:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wKVYF-0003Da-00; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 13:55:35 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:46:28 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) Subject: Re: Soundbytes on a Website Resent-Message-ID: <"w8Q65C.A.IdC.Sb8Xz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 13:55:35 -0700 X-UIDL: b98171d83cbd9114ab8ec3ad899b72d6 Mark wrote: >I know this is off topic, but I've learned many useful things from my >fellow loopers. > >I'm developing a website for a singer/songwriter and want to include brief >(30 second) samples of his songs. >The 700K version took about 5 minutes to download from the Internet. > >What should I do to reduce the size of the file and make downloading faster? > >Thanks, >Mark Kata >Mark@asisoftware.com Hi Mark, I think Stephen's suggestion about using realaudio is about the best you can do to reduce audio file sizes. In addition, there are some other things you can do to get the file size down. By reducing the bit depth and the sampling rate you decrease the amount of info in the audio file (and also the quality). You might try different combinations of sample rates and bit depths. 22khz at 8bit wont sound great but it might be an acceptible compromise for file size. Also by creating mono files instead of stereo you can decrease the file size. When you put the excerpt up on the page it would be a good idea to have the real audio file and a .wav file. This way you are covered incase someone comes along and wants to hear your excerpt but doesnt have the RA plug-in. You should include a link to real audio so people can get the plug-in if they want it. One more thing, trying to compress an audio file with stuffit or compact pro or some other compression software wont help. Audio files wont compress. later, Hayden Porter hporter@uakron.edu From ???@??? Thu Apr 24 20:00:20 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 24 13:55:43 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wKVYH-0003DI-00; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 13:55:37 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:46:40 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) Subject: looped music and the Web Resent-Message-ID: <"dGL_L.A.icC.Lb8Xz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 13:55:37 -0700 X-UIDL: 06b3c3a98f49394b117ab0c95a9196a9 Hi all, Since the topic of sound on the web has come up I would like to discuss the web and looped music. Looping sounds solves download problems on the web: As many of you know long playing sound files can take a loonnnggg time to download and be heard. One solution is to take a shorter sound or midi file and make it loop several times or infinitely. This way you have shorter downloads and longer playing music. In creating a sound file for this purpose one has to take the compositional issues of repetition and loops into consideration. Personally I havent experienced many interesting applications of looped music on the web, but I wonder if that is because the people making these loops aren't "loopers" like us. Making looped music on the web interesting: I think it would be difficult to make a single short duration audio file, that loops over and over, sound interesting. There are other options though. Most of the web sound players allow for playing of several looped sound files at the same time. This allows for all the possibilities inherent in layering loops or multi tracking loops. By playing loops of different lengths one can create phasing and polyrhythmic effects that add variety and change to the composition over a long period of time. Also with a minimal amount of work one can encorporate interactive features like giving the user control over muting, start/stop and mixing of multiple looped sound files. I am sure there are many other techniques and possibilities than just these. (If you have any other ideas please contribute.) I have yet to try these things but I believe the web is possibly a new "venue" for experimenting with looped compositions. The web can provide a different and potentially much larger audience than most loopers perform for. Unfortunately, I havent had time to experiment with looping in this medium yet. I plan do some in about 4 weeks, when I am out of school. I would love to hear from any of you regarding this topic. If you have visited sites that make effective use of looping then please send them along. If you have tried looped music for the web please share your experiences. I look forward to your replies. Sincerely, Hayden Porter hporter@uakron.edu From ???@??? Thu Apr 24 20:00:22 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 24 14:26:12 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wKW1i-0005E9-00; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 14:26:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:14:40 -0400 (EDT) From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <970424171402_1555322459@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: JamMania Resent-Message-ID: <"f4wgVB.A.APE.U18Xz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 14:26:02 -0700 X-UIDL: 91922c3092d870e0a149cf195b07b65b A new JamMan trick : Start a loop synched to a drum machine (or sequencer),with the drum machine as send and JamMan receiving.. You don't need to hear the drum machine if you don't want. Now vary the tempo of the drum machine. With faster tempo you get a shorter loop, it jumps back to the start before the end. ....But when you slow the tempo again, the hidden part returns ( it survives "replace" ). With slower tempo a fraction of the loop is repeated at the end of a whole loop. If, after going into "layer", you can send a midi program change to start a fade you are left with a sort of disjointed echo to play with. These effects aren't click-free, but are certainly worth the cost of a midi-lead. I used a Yamaha MU10 with a pc running Cubasis. I found that the midi-program-change No. needed to be one less than that shown in the JamMan manual. Andy Butler From ???@??? Thu Apr 24 20:00:24 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 24 14:26:14 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wKW1k-0005EI-00; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 14:26:04 -0700 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:15:50 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19970424221628.40274962@musart.sonnet.co.uk> X-Sender: hewins@musart.sonnet.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Mark HEWINS <^_^@musart.net> Subject: Re: looped music and the Web Resent-Message-ID: <"3PL0KC.A.cTE.S28Xz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 14:26:04 -0700 X-UIDL: 41fe2339a0f7d992ea3e1843c439ab14 Hey Hayden! >Making looped music on the web interesting: >I think it would be difficult to make a single short duration audio file, >that loops over and over, sound interesting. There are other options >though. There's Phil Miller and I doing a 9 beat sample loop experiment on the frameset at < http://musart.co.uk/fram/samfram.htm > There are a couple of looping samples on this page..... Is this what you mean....? >From before O_O MUSIC CLIPS ON THE WEB We're going to go for MPEGS.... Mainly because the studio ISDN lines use MPEG layer 2 for inter-studio streaming.... Kinda seems neat...... P&L>M °°° MARK HEWINS °°° < http://www.musart.co.uk/hewins.htm > (/markcv1.htm) (try the new CHORD PICKER) < http://www.musart.co.uk/script/chords.htm > °°° °°° OR MUSART - THE CANTERBURY SCENE MUSICIANS http://musart.co.uk/ (www) 350+webpages - 14,000+ hits a week ********************************************* Subscribe to "What's Rattlin'" the weekly CANTERBURY MUSIC ON-LINE NEWSLETTER ***************** just email *********** bigbang@mail.alpes-net.fr (with the message-subscribe) ************* ************ WHAT'S RATTLIN' ? 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Thu Apr 24 20:00:54 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 24 19:39:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wKaut-0004Du-00; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 19:39:19 -0700 Message-ID: <335FE6E7.7582@fredmarshall.com> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 15:04:12 -0800 From: fred marshall Reply-To: fred@fredmarshall.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Soundbytes on a Website References: <01BC5087.99300780@mark.asisoftware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"XrT1jB.A.QkD.JgBYz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 19:39:19 -0700 X-UIDL: 1d179f89a48599308a77e1325f140598 Mark Kata wrote: > > I know this is off topic, but I've learned many useful things from my fellow loopers. > > I'm developing a website for a singer/songwriter and want to include brief (30 second) samples of his songs. > > I used the internal recorder in my PC while playing his CD on it. When I recorded an excerpt at "CD quality--mono" the file was 1.6MEG. Then I tried recording it at "Radio quality--mono" and the file was 700K. > > The 700K version took about 5 minutes to download from the Internet. > > What should I do to reduce the size of the file and make downloading faster? > > Thanks, > Mark Kata > Mark@asisoftware.com ========================================== - yo! - sounds like you're ready for Shockwave Streaming Audio! (from Macromedia) - you can hear my band, Marshall Arts, using Shockwave Streaming Audio (a six and a half minute complete selection from our c.d. that loads and starts playing in under 10 seconds). http://www.fredmarshall.com/ - millions (seriously) of people have downloaded the software to hear this (free), and hundreds of thousands of sites are "Shocked", so it seems to be the developing "standard". - for information go to the macromedia.com site, and for unusual and original requirements you might try buzz@macromedia.com (he's the backstage brains behind this miracle). mmmmmmm From ???@??? Thu Apr 24 20:00:40 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 24 16:39:55 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wKY7F-0006xk-00; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:39:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199704242306.QAA22333@usr05.primenet.com> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: looped music and the Web Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:06:04 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"0bOaq.A.L5F.U0-Xz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:39:53 -0700 X-UIDL: 9fc5598448e1a2e70bfee80629aa1bbf > In creating a sound file for > this purpose one has to take the compositional issues of repetition and > loops into consideration. Personally I havent experienced many interesting > applications of looped music on the web, but I wonder if that is because > the people making these loops aren't "loopers" like us. The reason one doesn't see any looped material is that browsers don't really 'loop'. The main problem with utilizing the inboard feature of LOOP=TRUE in an audio href is that, due to the use of MCI controls in the browsers that run on PCs, the 'loop' is actually a REPEAT. There's an unacceptable gap of about 1/5 to 1/2 second between the end and restart of the piece. I've tried this and it just doesn't work yet. As a result I got a good friend of mine to write me an encapsulation routine that correctly plays my Loop Of The Week in downloadable .EXE format; and, to prevent the .WAV file I've got from attempting to just play one iteration, I had to put it in .ZIP format so people could download it without me having to tell people to Right-Click and choose Save Target As... over and over, which is a loop I don't want to perform! :) > Making looped music on the web interesting: > I think it would be difficult to make a single short duration audio file, > that loops over and over, sound interesting. There are other options > though. I don't like to appear to 'dis' anyone but I've been producing relatively short (3-7 seconds) loops for downloading off my web page at http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios now for over a year. It's self-executing of course, but I like to think that the folks who keep coming back to download it each week find it a little interesting at least. :) > Most of the web sound players allow for playing of several looped sound > files at the same time. This allows for all the possibilities inherent in > layering loops or multi tracking loops. By playing loops of different > lengths one can create phasing and polyrhythmic effects that add variety > and change to the composition over a long period of time. I've only been able to find one Java routine out there that does the above, and no proprietary formats that support correct looping to my knowledge. As is, Java only supports playing Sun format .AU files, and only 8KHz mono files at that - though it produces a nice layering effect as described above. I just wish it was higher quality, but perhaps this shall occur in the future. * Stephen Goodman It's the Loop Of The Week! And it's free! * EarthLight Productions http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios From ???@??? Thu Apr 24 20:00:44 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 24 17:35:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wKYya-00033B-00; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:35:00 -0700 Message-ID: <335FF569.1169@fredmarshall.com> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:06:09 -0800 From: fred marshall Reply-To: fred@fredmarshall.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com CC: buzz@macromedia.com Subject: Re: Soundbytes on a Website Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"DYEQQB.A._cC.2q_Xz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:35:00 -0700 X-UIDL: 00a83d641eac873c7093c543d711c38f Mark wrote: > What should I do to reduce the size of the file and make downloading faster? > > Thanks, > Mark Kata > Mark@asisoftware.com =================================== &fm suggested: - yo! - sounds like you're ready for Shockwave Streaming Audio! (from Macromedia) - you can hear my band, Marshall Arts, using Shockwave Streaming Audio (a six and a half minute complete selection from our c.d. that loads and starts playing in under 10 seconds). http://www.fredmarshall.com/ - millions (seriously) of people have downloaded the software to hear this (free), and hundreds of thousands of sites are "Shocked", so it seems to be the developing "standard". - for information go to the macromedia.com site, and for unusual and original requirements you might try buzz@macromedia.com (he's the backstage brains behind this miracle). mmmmmmm &buzz added: =============================================== Subject: Re: [Re: Soundbytes on a Website] Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 15:20:12 -0700 From: buzz@macromedia.com (Buzz Kettles) To: fred@fredmarshall.com please send them your first letter with this addendum - Just a note about the delivery of sound streams over the Internet MPEG2 is good, BUT Shockwave Audio features MPEG layer 3 encoding, (for optimum streaming quality vs connect speed) Over an ISDN, it's real close to CD quality. & We have even done LIVE streaming of a George Clinton concert (last November). & since Shockwave for Director is the actual serving mechanism, you can make your player/controller look like anything you can dream up ! -Buzz ========================================== From ???@??? Thu Apr 24 20:00:45 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 24 17:42:28 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wKZ5W-0003Yt-00; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:42:10 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970425004122.009ba674@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:41:22 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: looped music and the Web Resent-Message-ID: <"kegDLD.A.8yC.2v_Xz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:42:10 -0700 X-UIDL: ca0694f9a311beb566f6236223bdf068 At 04:06 PM 4/24/97 -0700, you wrote: >The reason one doesn't see any looped material is that browsers don't >really 'loop'. The main problem with utilizing the inboard feature of Check out the Beatnik plugin from Headspace. (www.headspace.com) It's a ridiculously cool audio widget that should be a must-have for everyone. It handles looping just fine, even allowing multiple files and midi to play at once. It also handles interactive audio very well. I went to several demonstration sites that essentially let you compose/arrange on the fly. For those that don't know, Headspace was founded by Thomas Dolby. (the blinded me with science guy). A friend and former coworker of mine is VP of engineering there, and since he has a pair of echoplexes in his guitar rack, that might explain the solid looping functionality in Beatnik. kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 VLSI Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research From ???@??? Thu Apr 24 20:00:48 1997 >From kflint Thu Apr 24 18:13:15 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wKZZV-0005kw-00; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:13:09 -0700 From: Kevin Simonson Message-Id: <199704250107.AA210090422@eagle.uis.edu> Subject: looped...web Thanks! To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 20:07:02 -0600 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19970425004122.009ba674@pop.chromatic.com> from "Kim Flint" at Apr 24, 97 05:41:22 pm Content-Type: text Resent-Message-ID: <"oSW-RC.A.vCF.zPAYz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:13:09 -0700 X-UIDL: bdef027cdaa180694791b29bf2878ac3 'just wanted to say thanks for everyone's contributions with this current discussion thread. I have yet to encounter another group with more creativity, tolerance for diversity, grace, intelligence, and general willingness to go beyond Fripp...;) Token Gear List: Juno-60 GR-505 GR-300 Jamman some EH stuff E-Bow -- Kevin Simonson * AS/400 Application Development Team University of Illinois-Springfield * Programmer / Analyst Computer Science, et al. * Norwest Mortgage, Inc. simonson@eagle.uis.edu * Springfield, IL 1 amount of tv I watch = ------ # of programs involving benevolent, anthropomorphic angels From ???@??? Fri Apr 25 09:00:05 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 25 08:52:07 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wKnI2-0000H5-00; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:52:02 -0700 From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br Date: Fri, 25 Apr 97 12:39:50 TZ3 Message-Id: <9703258619.AA861997246@jpccmail.poyry.com.br> To: loopers-delight@annihilist.com Cc: ghogan@lexicon.com Subject: JamMan & MIDI sysnc Resent-Message-ID: <"KbHO4C.A.Q4G.UBNYz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:52:02 -0700 X-UIDL: 214db503535eb4e5f2218cb9f47690cd Hello, I am facing the following problem with JamMan, that maybe somebody already solved and can give me some help. An SMPTE track (from an ADAT) drives a PC with Cakewalk that sends MIDI clock to JamMan. Fine, JamMan syncs properly! The problem is that in the beginning of every bar and/or loop JamMan introduces an audible perturbation on the sound. The silly solution I found is not to play in this spot but this keeps me away from continuos sounds and many other things. This does not happen when Jam Man is used alone or driving the computer or any other box. Any clues on how to solve this? Miguel From ???@??? Fri Apr 25 08:59:51 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 25 06:03:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wKket-0006BP-00; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 06:03:27 -0700 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704251258.IAA08382@shell.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@monmouth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: roland ms-1 sampler Resent-Message-ID: <"EUtyf.A.WqF.RsKYz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 06:03:27 -0700 X-UIDL: 95e382b33269720b36e5edbded523bcd hey loopers Anyone interested in a Roland MS-1 phrase sampler?? A neat little digital sampler/ loop device - it allows sampling up to 44.1 kHz - and with an added memory card (special pcm-cia cards) a max of 50 mins sampling is available - It's got 8 pads on the front so you can trigger the samples directly or from a keyb, gtr, drum pad, etc. sounds can be set up as single trigger or loops , and you can record sequences. Included - 500 sound sampling CD. This unit is from last year, but i see it out there for $399-479 This one is brand new, in the box with all papers, etc. - used at one gig. $250 C.O.D Ups, RPS, FEDex or whatever email me direct andre' From ???@??? Fri Apr 25 08:59:59 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 25 07:13:03 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wKlkD-0001u2-00; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 07:13:01 -0700 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:09:50 -0400 (EDT) From: RA336@aol.com Message-ID: <970425100948_-767523760@emout02.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: where's Collier?... Resent-Message-ID: <"lZv49B.A.6jB.zsLYz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 07:13:01 -0700 X-UIDL: 177308f4c40fe2fa05b5c3d725a1da18 non-loop related posting here, but I was wondering if anyone could mail in Collier Hyams email address which I have lost... Many thanks in advance or: Collier if you read this get in touch quick okay? best, Robby Aceto From ???@??? Sat Apr 26 02:08:56 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 25 12:18:48 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wKq52-0004tV-00; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:50:48 -0700 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:34:10 -0400 (EDT) From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <970425143409_-1903615431@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan modifications Resent-Message-ID: <"r6DWBD.A.bAE.AsPYz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:50:48 -0700 X-UIDL: b053ddfd44a15bd84020ee8735191361 In a message dated 07/04/97 12:43:45, you write: > >Bob Sellon >Lexicon/Stec > > ---------- >From: SoundFNR[SMTP:SoundFNR@aol.com] >Sent: Friday, April 04, 1997 6:27 PM >To: bsellon >Subject: JamMan modifications > >Bob > Yes I'm interested in an upgrade for the Jamman as mentioned in >Loopers' >Delight. >What would really make me happy would be the ability to make multiple >loops >of different lenghs. I try to make multiple loops without a drum machine >synched (I >haven't got one because I don't like them) and find that the timing error >adds up with >each loop. > Would this be a plug in mod? > Also stereo looping, but especially multiple loops of related (or >arbitrary) lengh all >playing together . > thanks Andy Butler > > From ???@??? Sat Apr 26 02:08:53 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 25 11:42:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wKpwe-0004GW-00; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:42:08 -0700 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:34:23 -0400 (EDT) From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <970425143412_-400704205@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: looped music and the Web Resent-Message-ID: <"jthB-D.A.AfD.IlPYz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:42:08 -0700 X-UIDL: 8b3f1af7f1266284d011b791edd08397 In a message dated 24/04/97 8:55:31, you write: >Hi all, > >Since the topic of sound on the web has come up I would like to discuss the >web and looped music. > >Looping sounds solves download problems on the web: >As many of you know long playing sound files can take a loonnnggg time to >download and be heard. One solution is to take a shorter sound or midi >file and make it loop several times or infinitely. This way you have >shorter downloads and longer playing music. In creating a sound file for >this purpose one has to take the compositional issues of repetition and >loops into consideration. Personally I havent experienced many interesting >applications of looped music on the web, but I wonder if that is because >the people making these loops aren't "loopers" like us. As it happen's, I have a number of midi files which could easily class as loop related. Techniques like copying parts from one instrument to another, reversing sections, adding a transposition with a time displacement. Find them on my site at http://aol.members.com/soundfnr/ab.htm Andy Butler Midi files are quick to download, and can compress easily to about a third. From ???@??? Sat Apr 26 02:09:42 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 25 15:29:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wKtUh-0004qG-00; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:29:31 -0700 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 18:24:01 -0400 (EDT) From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <970425182355_218532277@emout15.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan & MIDI sysnc Resent-Message-ID: <"vszEIC.A.dME.O8SYz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:29:31 -0700 X-UIDL: ed046078beaa3ca3278db63485d4dd00 In a message dated 25/04/97 3:51:07, you write: > An SMPTE track (from an ADAT) drives a PC with Cakewalk that sends > MIDI clock to JamMan. Fine, JamMan syncs properly! > > The problem is that in the beginning of every bar and/or loop JamMan > introduces an audible perturbation on the sound. The silly solution I > found is not to play in this spot but this keeps me away from > continuos sounds and many other things. > > This does not happen when Jam Man is used alone or driving the > computer or any other box. Me too, I get the same from a similar setup (but without the DAT). If you fire up cakewalk and choose Midi Devices from Settings menu you'll see why. Notice that the resolution suggested for Custom settings is 1 millisecond. The JamMan records signal up to 15kHz, so the glitch comes when the ends of the loop don't meet properly. For some reason I couldn't get Cakewalk to even, accept the custom settings mode. I can click the button, it changes, but it won't do anything; if I OK then look again it's still on the same setting. It might work for you however (I only have a 486). The resolution would ideally be .01 milliseconds, maybe less. As the highest continuous tone your guitar (if thats what you use) puts out at significant volume is 2kHz you might get away with .05 milliseconds. Basically Midi-sync isn't very good, daisy chains of Midi gear produce enough delay for errors in rhythmic timing, so I think maybe we aren't going to get a solution. Nevertheless there's alot of people out there who know a lot more about this than me, let us know if you get it solved. Andy Butler. From ???@??? Sat Apr 26 02:09:43 1997 >From kflint Fri Apr 25 16:46:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wKuhA-0002oi-00; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:46:28 -0700 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 19:39:33 -0400 (EDT) From: PMimlitsch@aol.com Message-ID: <970425193928_-1969327860@emout17.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Official Gig Announcement Resent-Message-ID: <"qpbKuC.A.PKC.BDUYz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:46:28 -0700 X-UIDL: ef9dc2f73fd4d546abc553db30b929b7 Star's End Gathering XI on Friday, May 2nd, 1997, will feature live electronic space music by Pure Gamma. Opening for Pure Gamma will be Chapman Stick player Paul Mimlitsch. Sponsored by the 21-year-old radio program, Star's End, the concert will be held from 8:00pm-11:00pm in Houston Hall, 3417 Spruce Street on the University of Penn campus in West Philadelphia. Tickets, at the door: $10, WXPN members and students free. For more information, call 1-800-565-WXPN. Also: Notes About the Star's End broadcast of 04.27.97 .............................................................................. .. Concert Preview: The music of Pure Gamma and Paul Mimlitsch will be featured on Star's End this week. We'll be hearing excerpts from the forthcoming Pure Gamma CD and also from their live performance at Star's End Gathering VI last September. From Paul Mimlitsch, we'll hear a live improv tape made especially for Star's End. "Star's End" can be heard every Saturday night/Sunday morning from 1am-6am on: 88.5fm WXPN Philadelphia, PA 88.1fm WXPH Harrisburg, PA 90.5fm Worton/Baltimore, MD 104.9fm Allentown, PA From ???@??? Sat Apr 26 12:36:28 1997 >From kflint Sat Apr 26 07:09:19 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wL8AA-0002pV-00; Sat, 26 Apr 1997 07:09:18 -0700 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 10:05:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Yonni Harif To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan & MIDI sysnc In-Reply-To: <9703258619.AA861997246@jpccmail.poyry.com.br> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"iWt4BD.A.zaC.FvgYz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 07:09:18 -0700 X-UIDL: 42efb7dc2b09141aeb7c221f8a2b390d Pardon my ignorance, but this has been bothering me for quite sometime as I read all the messages on the list, what exactly is "Cakewalk"?..unfortunately the name itself does not elucidate its meaning.. I hope ... thanx a bunch, --yonni jharif@emerald.tufts.edu From ???@??? Sun Apr 27 11:48:28 1997 >From kflint Sun Apr 27 10:21:58 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wLXe9-0004Rr-00; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 10:21:57 -0700 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 13:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704271715.NAA10926@shell.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@monmouth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Live Loops Monday nite.. Cc: metalfunk@aol.com, lolorec@aol.com, sspnj@exit109.com, norbrook@imap2.asu.edu, gregorr@tcg.com, mudshark2@juno.com, todd.mizenko@ariel.com, rich@con2.com, danielle@ncc.net, otherroad@aol.com, slepian@eclipse.net, dwinsor@nola.srrc.usda.gov, jkertesz@monmouth.com, JillFlex@aol.com, burger@biology.rutgers.edu, tiby@opus1.com, aroolaart@monmouth.com, inajesse@aol.com, dariel@juno.com, jtricci@exit109.com, jws@cbsnews.com, abacus@hudsonet.com, colchol@toj.com, mstorer@hardees.rutgers.edu, dcuthber@ix.netcom.com, lillian@infinity.com, MCraghan@rci.Rutgers.EDU, lcholmon@dc.rtkl.com, kkaragan@ifu.net, eclark@monmouth.com, aroolaart@monmouth.com, hubcity@exit109.com, dmb5561719@aol.com, eliotk@eden.rutgers.edu, loved1s@aol.com, dja@pacifier.com, annie@hitthis.com, relief@igc.org, dja@pacifier.com, mfrankel@monmouth.com, tps11@ix.netcom.com, andrewgreg@aol.com, farcus@injersey.com, pizzaqual@aol.com, recycler@eclipse.net, bendsmind@aol.com, dave_ross@mindspring.com, sdcurtin@lucent.com, lilweb@aol.com, jkennedygran@wesleyan.edu, paul@con2.com, rich@con2.com, papadato@bioresource.rutgers.edu, dbears99@aol.com, bengtl@bellatlantic.net, annie@hitthis.com, richard@rella.com, diziak@aol.com, sdm@frontier.wilpaterson.edu, todd.mizenko@ariel.com, jester@aol.com, NKD452@aol.com, trevska@aol.com, esdunn@earthlink.net, yoshka1@aol.com, lchigi@ix.netcom.com, wenchla@aol.com, murcury@hotmail.com, dflync01@homer.louisville.edu, 73503.1074@compuserve.com, fthecops@aol.com, seanm@monmouth.com, nancyjay@msn.com, skinbone@eden.rutgers.edu, nclem76469@msn.com, lauren@ven.net, phydoux3@aol.com, rifraffinf@aol.com, hotrats@pop.delphi.com, dwinsor@nola.srrc.usda.gov, danielg@hopper.unh.edu, mdaniele@monmouth.com, pokechop@bellsouth.net, Gary_Titone.DDI.BMG__ENTERTAINMENT@bmgmusic.com, perverse@aol.com, jkiebon@idt.net, mattm2@ziplink.net, explora@nettuno.it, pocius@bigfoot.com, s.trischetta@worldnet.att.net Resent-Message-ID: <"tylhOB.A.__D.Bq4Yz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 10:21:57 -0700 X-UIDL: 794da4c923f300493b4b65281f34500a hello all welcome to the latest impersonal, yet efficient shipment of last minute e-info on a gig - hope all is well - and some of you may have gotten on my e-list thru coming to see {hidden agenda} or {project-object SEGMENT} - a zappa tribute band.. Anyone in the nj area ? - stop over to the SAINT this monday night... we'll be presenting our sonic assault - percussion, synths, samplers and guitar - 100% live - JFK'S LSD-UFO - is what we call it. Sort of like "drums and space meets bad brains at a henry kaiser acid test..." Upon hearing our demo tape, The Knitting Factory said: "Too weird for us...." And then of course to top the night off - it's ... BUCKETHEAD !!! he's touring in support of a new release and this is his pre-nyc stop. don't miss it, THE SAINT is a great small room to see shows in... Buckethead has played with Praxis, Bernie Worrell, John Zorn, Jonas Hellborg (ex-mahavishnu), Bootsy Collins and many many more.... he's a cult figure in Japan and has several releases to his name that you should really check out. If you've never seen him - he performs and is ALWAYS seen in a hockey mask and a KFC bucket on his head... very strange man. he does sort of an over-the-top hardcore techno spacejazz thing..(??!?@##!??) MONDAY APRIL 28 THE SAINT 601 main st asbury park, nj 908-775-9144 jfk's lsd-ufo 10:00 pm buckethead 11:00 pm 18 and older, 21 to drink AND ONLY $6.00 !!! ...with GREAT BEERS ON TAP !! ...it's real NEAR THE TRAIN STATION !!! ...there's TONS OF FREE PARKING !!! DON'T FORGET TO FLOSS !!!! peace, Andre' more info andre@monmouth.com or 908-747-6448 10am-9pm From ???@??? Sun Apr 27 11:48:34 1997 >From kflint Sun Apr 27 11:15:51 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wLYUH-00074b-00; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 11:15:49 -0700 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 14:13:13 -0400 (EDT) From: BobbyZZZ@aol.com Message-ID: <970427141303_86032123@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Live Loops Monday nite.. Resent-Message-ID: <"fV3aoC.A.OeG.8c5Yz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 11:15:49 -0700 X-UIDL: a19c0a63781a52510f1630adbb3d9495 damn, wish i could be there....i was born in long branch, at monmouth memorial hospital....used to live on atlantic ave...good luck with the show :-) bobby d/lvx nova From ???@??? Mon Apr 28 01:46:05 1997 >From kflint Sun Apr 27 23:39:54 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wLk6L-0007LS-00; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 23:39:53 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 02:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704280634.CAA15715@shell.monmouth.com> X-Sender: andre@monmouth.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: andre Subject: Re: Live Loops Monday nite.. Resent-Message-ID: <"DWMUC.A.OtG.UWEZz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 23:39:53 -0700 X-UIDL: d1d73f0bc7bd1ad8dccfadeb48d8892f thanx bro - you'll be there in spirit, no doubt... we play in longbranch a lot, too.. peace/music, andre' At 02:13 PM 4/27/97 -0400, you wrote: >damn, wish i could be there....i was born in long branch, at monmouth >memorial hospital....used to live on atlantic ave...good luck with the show >:-) >bobby d/lvx nova > > > From ???@??? Mon Apr 28 01:46:06 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 28 00:04:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wLkU1-0000mL-00; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 00:04:21 -0700 Message-ID: <33644C15.2B54@gte.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 03:04:53 -0400 From: Future Perfect <" artmusic"@gte.net> Reply-To: artmusic@gte.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: Live Loops Monday nite.. References: <199704280634.CAA15715@shell.monmouth.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"pKln4D.A.Mm.CuEZz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 00:04:21 -0700 X-UIDL: 2168f72af97879e38b2c9ba0a764f9b4 andre wrote: > > thanx bro - you'll be there in spirit, no doubt... we play in longbranch a > lot, too.. > > peace/music, andre' > > At 02:13 PM 4/27/97 -0400, you wrote: > >damn, wish i could be there....i was born in long branch, at monmouth > >memorial hospital....used to live on atlantic ave...good luck with the show > >:-) > >bobby d/lvx nova Ah, Andre..we are making our trek up there in early June (I'll post dates when it gets closer..for those that just can't bring themselves to wait, check out our web page below).....are ya playing anywhere from June 1-6?? By the way Bobby...I grew up in Monmouth County (Manalapan, Englishtown, Freehold area)...small world, ain't it?? How did we end up in Florida???? Arg! Dave -- ********************************************************************* 'Future Perfect' - progressive art music - visit our website at: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/8082 'Music is a mirror of who we are.' - Robert Fripp From ???@??? Mon Apr 28 01:46:07 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 28 00:22:26 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wLklV-0001df-00; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 00:22:25 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 03:18:36 -0400 From: Michael Peters Subject: music places in SF? To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199704280320_MC2-1583-FB09@compuserve.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"U8I8YD.A.caB.H_EZz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 00:22:25 -0700 X-UIDL: 8607494cd924f1503b8ce37544b9996d Vacation time. In 2 weeks, I'll be leaving rainy Germany to get fried in the American southwest (May) and hang out in San Francisco (1st week of June). I'd appreciate recommendations for (music related and other) places to go, especially cool music hardware shops in SF, and those obscure record shops where I can find unusual music. Also, if anyone of you will be doing concerts at this time, maybe I could make it there. Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm Support the Warr Guitar Defense Fund http://home.earthlink.net/~greendog/warrfund.html From ???@??? Mon Apr 28 09:01:16 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 28 05:28:49 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wLpY1-0004s2-00; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 05:28:49 -0700 From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br Date: Mon, 28 Apr 97 09:25:38 TZ3 Message-Id: <9703288622.AA862244748@jpccmail.poyry.com.br> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re[2]: JamMan & MIDI sysnc Resent-Message-ID: <"V_RWvC.A.aaE.bdJZz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 05:28:49 -0700 X-UIDL: 8c7027e4d73e597c8f10188ee4d5cda2 Cakewalk is a sequencer software for Windows. Miguel ___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________ Assunto: Re: JamMan & MIDI sysnc Autor: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com na INTERNET Data: 26/04/1997 14:43 >Message was resent -- Original recipients were: To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com-------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------- Pardon my ignorance, but this has been bothering me for quite sometime as I read all the messages on the list, what exactly is "Cakewalk"?..unfortunately the name itself does not elucidate its meaning.. I hope ... thanx a bunch, --yonni jharif@emerald.tufts.edu From ???@??? Mon Apr 28 09:01:17 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 28 05:35:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wLpea-0005FX-00; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 05:35:36 -0700 Message-Id: <199704281233.NAA25462@mail.bogo.co.uk> From: "andrew" To: Subject: a/b switcher Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:35:04 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"p5uIl.A.lzE.jkJZz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 05:35:36 -0700 X-UIDL: 69ec1dd9789a479666151981321ddbd9 Question : Can I use an A/B switch , or a line selector (like that made by Boss) to send the speaker out signal of my amp to either A) the speaker in the amp or B) to a Palmer speaker emulator and on to a mixer with looping gear. The words 'large footswitchable device' were used by Mr. Torn to describe the thing he uses to switch off the send to his amp speaker, and I think he was using the line out of the amp to go to the mixer. I always find the line outs on amps to sound a bit fizzy, due to their pre output tube send, so I'm trying to get around this with the above idea. Thanks men, Andrew From ???@??? Tue Apr 29 01:03:46 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 28 11:53:44 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wLvYB-0006O0-00; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:53:23 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9703258619.AA861997246@jpccmail.poyry.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:47:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: JamMan & MIDI sysnc Resent-Message-ID: <"EbRrYC.A.WcF.rAPZz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:53:23 -0700 X-UIDL: 7d73f5aef54efe8b55a5c4ccff3a427d Miguel wrote: > > I am facing the following problem with JamMan, that maybe somebody > already solved and can give me some help. > > An SMPTE track (from an ADAT) drives a PC with Cakewalk that sends > MIDI clock to JamMan. Fine, JamMan syncs properly! > > The problem is that in the beginning of every bar and/or loop JamMan > introduces an audible perturbation on the sound. The silly solution I > found is not to play in this spot but this keeps me away from > continuos sounds and many other things. > > This does not happen when Jam Man is used alone or driving the > computer or any other box. > > Any clues on how to solve this? > The way I understand this is that the MIDI beat clock has a certain "randomness" associated to it, that is each beat may be up to 1/96 or 1/128 of a second off of an absolute clock. So, if your beats are 1 second apart, the actual time between beats may end up being 0.99 to 1.01 seconds. If you have a 1 second loop, the loop will get CUT OFF slightly, when the time between beats is 0.99 seconds. Thus, when the time between beats is 1.01 seconds, there will be a .02 second gap, or glitch. It seems to me, there is no way to resolve this. Any ideas? - Chris --------------------------------------------------- AVIRIS Experiment Coordinator mailto:avec@gomez.jpl.nasa.gov ftp://ophelia.jpl.nasa.gov/pub/docs/html/AvDep.html Lab: (415) 604-2170 Pager: (888) 415-4547 --------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Tue Apr 29 01:03:51 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 28 12:55:41 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wLwWH-0003CY-00; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:55:29 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:47:13 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) Subject: Re: looped music/web Resent-Message-ID: <"lgu9M.A.0dC.W7PZz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:55:29 -0700 X-UIDL: b9db3ceb4cefd041b0f086201a1d42ad Hi all, I recently possed the following question to Headspace about their new audio Netscape plug-in called Beatnik. >It is my understanding that due to the way MCI controls work on PCs, it >is possible for a large audio file to "repeat" with a short gap of >silence instead of "loop" seamlessly with the end of the file imediately >joined to the begining. Is there a way to bypass the MCI controls in >this situation and create a seamless playback of a loop on a PC using >the Beatnik plug-in? > This was the encouraging response: "Beatnik does not use any of the MCI playback devices on the PC. Rather, Beatnik is a software synthesizer that allows us to bypass the MCI connection to the soundcard and frees us from any restrictions imposed by the MCI. This feature enables Beatnik to sound and operate EXACTLY the same on every platform, regardless of sound card quality. In addition, Beatnik offers one of the most robust API's available - giving the user COMPLETE control over virtually every aspect of the sound/song file. By bypassing the MCI, we have made these controls the same on every platform, giving the user an unprecidented amount of control over their work." Doug support@headspace.com http://www.headspace.com -------------------------------- Has anyone tried playing back seamless loops from a PC using this plug-in? Sincerely, Hayden Porter hporter@uakron.edu From ???@??? Tue Apr 29 01:03:47 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 28 12:02:18 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wLvgc-00070c-00; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:02:06 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199704281233.NAA25462@mail.bogo.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:55:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Chris Chovit Subject: Re: a/b switcher Resent-Message-ID: <"Go8HtB.A.3AG.1IPZz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 12:02:06 -0700 X-UIDL: a9ed07c07a6cf5dc6cc078664ab75873 Andrew wrote: > >Can I use an A/B switch , or a line selector (like that made by Boss) >to send the speaker out signal of my amp to either A) the speaker >in the amp or B) to a Palmer speaker emulator and on to a mixer >with looping gear. The words 'large footswitchable device' were >used by Mr. Torn to describe the thing he uses to switch off the send >to his amp speaker, and I think he was using the line out of the >amp to go to the mixer. I always find the line outs on amps to sound >a bit fizzy, due to their pre output tube send, so I'm trying to get around >this with the above idea. > An A/B switch should work, as long as it can handle the current. I've been using a similar setup with a THD hot plate. Just be sure that (if your amp is a tube amp) that you always have a load on the amp, whether it is from the speaker or the emulator. Are you sure your amp line-out is pre-power-tubes? (I think) on my amp, the line out is after the power tubes but before the output transformer. - Chris From ???@??? Tue Apr 29 01:03:53 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 28 13:22:50 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wLwwi-0004xy-00; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:22:48 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970428201243.009eb3fc@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:12:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: looped music/web Resent-Message-ID: <"5Zvdk.A.gXE.WYQZz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:22:48 -0700 X-UIDL: 3531f857635c2074d078cb503df3c032 At 03:47 PM 4/28/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I recently possed the following question to Headspace about their new audio >Netscape plug-in called Beatnik. > [interesting beatnik stuff] > >Has anyone tried playing back seamless loops from a PC using this plug-in? > Just install it and go to the Headspace site. Thomas Dolby's walk-through examples include several looped audio parts. Also good examples of interactive audio on a web page. They also have links to demonstration sites with more interesting stuff. I went to one created by a trip-hop dj that let you control four parts of a mix, with the ability to change the audio samples in different parts, as well as mixing and muting the different channels. It was a blast! Another page let you essentially compose an ambient piece interactively by starting up various audio samples and letting them loop or go in and out, or whatever., all by interacting with a graphic on the page. It was all incredibly cool. Another thing my girlfriend noticed, is that midi files from the web sound fantastic through beatnik. I think they have their own sample library, which replaces the crappy gm sounds we had through quicktime. I'm using it for all web based audio now, and highly recommend it. kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 VLSI Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research From ???@??? Tue Apr 29 01:03:55 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 28 13:33:32 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wLx6z-0005h0-00; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:33:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199704282025.NAA00677@usr08.primenet.com> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Re: looped music/web Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:25:55 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"i2mSUB.A.i4E.sfQZz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:33:25 -0700 X-UIDL: fcf3528b7cdf4256472032dfbb918ebc >From what I've understood the encoder is still Mac-based, though they've got plans to make a PC encoder sometime this year. Being a PC-based person, this is alas, only encouraging. :) ---------- > From: Kim Flint > To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > Subject: Re: looped music/web > Date: Monday, April 28, 1997 1:12 PM > > At 03:47 PM 4/28/97 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi all, > > > >I recently possed the following question to Headspace about their new audio > >Netscape plug-in called Beatnik. > > > [interesting beatnik stuff] > > > >Has anyone tried playing back seamless loops from a PC using this plug-in? > > > > Just install it and go to the Headspace site. Thomas Dolby's walk-through > examples include several looped audio parts. Also good examples of > interactive audio on a web page. They also have links to demonstration sites > with more interesting stuff. I went to one created by a trip-hop dj that let > you control four parts of a mix, with the ability to change the audio > samples in different parts, as well as mixing and muting the different > channels. It was a blast! Another page let you essentially compose an > ambient piece interactively by starting up various audio samples and letting > them loop or go in and out, or whatever., all by interacting with a graphic > on the page. It was all incredibly cool. > > Another thing my girlfriend noticed, is that midi files from the web sound > fantastic through beatnik. I think they have their own sample library, which > replaces the crappy gm sounds we had through quicktime. I'm using it for all > web based audio now, and highly recommend it. > > kim > _______________________________________________________ > Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > VLSI Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > Chromatic Research > > From ???@??? Tue Apr 29 01:03:59 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 28 13:59:08 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wLxVS-0007M8-00; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:58:42 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:47:32 -0700 (PDT) From: The Man Himself To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: a/b switcher In-Reply-To: <199704281233.NAA25462@mail.bogo.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"JLOF6.A.EbG.Y3QZz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 13:58:42 -0700 X-UIDL: 9db40093c46fa6cdb76d0b144c445ea0 On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, andrew wrote: > Can I use an A/B switch , or a line selector (like that made by Boss) > to send the speaker out signal of my amp to either A) the speaker > in the amp or B) to a Palmer speaker emulator and on to a mixer > with looping gear. The words 'large footswitchable device' were > used by Mr. Torn to describe the thing he uses to switch off the send > to his amp speaker, and I think he was using the line out of the > amp to go to the mixer. I always find the line outs on amps to sound > a bit fizzy, due to their pre output tube send, so I'm trying to get around > this with the above idea. Couple of things come to mind -- first, in the Homespun vid, I believe that Torn said he'd had his Rivera amp custom-modded so that the speaker could be switched on or off, while maintaining the load. As someone else mentioned, be careful if you're using a tube amp, because if the amp isn't hooked up to a speaker (or a load resistor, or a simulator with a built-in load), then you'll blow the thing up. (Disregard this warning if that is in fact the result you're looking for...) --Andre From ???@??? Tue Apr 29 01:03:59 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 28 14:18:24 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wLxoL-0000pu-00; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 14:18:13 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970428211628.009eacc4@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 14:16:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: looped music/web Resent-Message-ID: <"9duk9D.A.FI.UHRZz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 14:18:13 -0700 X-UIDL: 8e442ebdd0cc42551c2ad86d9d084b83 I believe that is right. The authoring tools are only mac-based now, with plans to release pc-based tools later. The end user plug-ins are available on all platforms. I am glad to see that the coolest stuff on the net is available for macs before pc's for a change, heh heh...... kim At 01:25 PM 4/28/97 -0700, you wrote: >>From what I've understood the encoder is still Mac-based, though they've >got plans to make a PC encoder sometime this year. Being a PC-based >person, this is alas, only encouraging. :) > >---------- >> From: Kim Flint >> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com >> Subject: Re: looped music/web >> Date: Monday, April 28, 1997 1:12 PM >> >> At 03:47 PM 4/28/97 -0400, you wrote: >> >Hi all, >> > >> >I recently possed the following question to Headspace about their new >audio >> >Netscape plug-in called Beatnik. >> > >> [interesting beatnik stuff] >> > >> >Has anyone tried playing back seamless loops from a PC using this >plug-in? >> > >> >> Just install it and go to the Headspace site. Thomas Dolby's walk-through >> examples include several looped audio parts. Also good examples of >> interactive audio on a web page. They also have links to demonstration >sites >> with more interesting stuff. I went to one created by a trip-hop dj that >let >> you control four parts of a mix, with the ability to change the audio >> samples in different parts, as well as mixing and muting the different >> channels. It was a blast! Another page let you essentially compose an >> ambient piece interactively by starting up various audio samples and >letting >> them loop or go in and out, or whatever., all by interacting with a >graphic >> on the page. It was all incredibly cool. >> >> Another thing my girlfriend noticed, is that midi files from the web >sound >> fantastic through beatnik. I think they have their own sample library, >which >> replaces the crappy gm sounds we had through quicktime. I'm using it for >all >> web based audio now, and highly recommend it. >> >> kim >> _______________________________________________________ >> Kim Flint 408-752-9284 >> VLSI Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com >> Chromatic Research >> >> > > > _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 VLSI Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research From ???@??? Tue Apr 29 01:04:04 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 28 16:08:30 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wLzWy-0007Wt-00; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:08:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199704282231.PAA11331@usr08.primenet.com> From: "Stephen P. Goodman" To: Subject: Beatnik Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 15:30:59 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"FrE5HB.A.hcG.GvSZz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 16:08:24 -0700 X-UIDL: 333a508c0124ea3ef44d34ec14b3cc31 Heh, the name "Beatnik" would imply that Thomas D. still is sporting the goatee... Alas, the centrism of the Mac community will be its ultimate downfall. :) Cases like this - Mac-sourced ports - have hardly ever come to fruit, since Mac developers tend to not go outside their own community when they port something to the PC platform. Their assumptions in many cases (from hardware on down) tend to come off as more an evangelization of the Mac platform, than what it may or should be. Otherwise Adobe, etc. would be doing much better by now. Typically we on this side of the fence have come to expect disappointments with respect to ports from Mac platforms, mainly for this reason. Which, of course, lends itself to a 'wait and see' attitude on this side. Not to dis something before its time, of course, I'd welcome the opportunity to assist Mr. Dolby in his efforts. I've been in the PC community on the development end on down, since 1981, and know a bit about system processes. And I've got contacts that have written some heavy-hitters on the multiple-platform level as well: for instance, the guy who wrote the software for pen recognition that you use when you sign for a UPS package? > I believe that is right. The authoring tools are only mac-based now, with > plans to release pc-based tools later. The end user plug-ins are available > on all platforms. > > I am glad to see that the coolest stuff on the net is available for macs > before pc's for a change, heh heh...... Then again, I've come to know "PC vs. Mac" arguments as nothing more than intellectual masturbation. :) I've worked on Macs as well, going back to 85. But the business world being what it is, and the PC being what it is, in their opposite states of change, well, I know what pays the rent. :) If I supported just Macs for a living I'd have one here - despite my great dislike for having Philosophy installed in the hardware. [s] However, I remain in an observant frame for this. Cheers, Stephen. PS - Have you ever been to my site? Stephen Goodman * Download The Loop Of The Week and more! EarthLight Studios * http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios *--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ > > At 01:25 PM 4/28/97 -0700, you wrote: > >>From what I've understood the encoder is still Mac-based, though they've > >got plans to make a PC encoder sometime this year. Being a PC-based > >person, this is alas, only encouraging. :) > > > >---------- > >> From: Kim Flint > >> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >> Subject: Re: looped music/web > >> Date: Monday, April 28, 1997 1:12 PM > >> > >> At 03:47 PM 4/28/97 -0400, you wrote: > >> >Hi all, > >> > > >> >I recently possed the following question to Headspace about their new > >audio > >> >Netscape plug-in called Beatnik. > >> > > >> [interesting beatnik stuff] > >> > > >> >Has anyone tried playing back seamless loops from a PC using this > >plug-in? > >> > > >> > >> Just install it and go to the Headspace site. Thomas Dolby's walk-through > >> examples include several looped audio parts. Also good examples of > >> interactive audio on a web page. They also have links to demonstration > >sites > >> with more interesting stuff. I went to one created by a trip-hop dj that > >let > >> you control four parts of a mix, with the ability to change the audio > >> samples in different parts, as well as mixing and muting the different > >> channels. It was a blast! Another page let you essentially compose an > >> ambient piece interactively by starting up various audio samples and > >letting > >> them loop or go in and out, or whatever., all by interacting with a > >graphic > >> on the page. It was all incredibly cool. > >> > >> Another thing my girlfriend noticed, is that midi files from the web > >sound > >> fantastic through beatnik. I think they have their own sample library, > >which > >> replaces the crappy gm sounds we had through quicktime. I'm using it for > >all > >> web based audio now, and highly recommend it. > >> > >> kim > >> _______________________________________________________ > >> Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > >> VLSI Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > >> Chromatic Research > >> > >> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > VLSI Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > Chromatic Research > > From ???@??? Tue Apr 29 01:04:14 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 28 18:27:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wM1hF-0001ea-00; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 18:27:09 -0700 Message-ID: <41DE695CE6FCCF11AD1000805FCCF8EC1BB2A3@SF-01-MSG> From: Tom Attix To: "'Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Subject: RE: Beatnik Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 18:05:43 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.14) Resent-Message-ID: <"PIo66C.A.qRB.z0UZz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 18:27:09 -0700 X-UIDL: ef5eb01b317bd5ac6ae4692fdabb5ccb Well, you can either have philosophy installed or just bad engineering and something that claims to pass for user interface. The reason a lot of complex media-related apps get developed on the Mac is because of that "philosophy". If you create a consistent and coherent environment, things can be easily made to fit within it. You make philosophy sound like a dirty word. -Tom Attix Microsoft Quality Assurance toma@microsoft.com -----Original Message----- From: Stephen P. Goodman [SMTP:sgoodman@primenet.com] Sent: Monday, April 28, 1997 4:08 PM To: Tom Attix Subject: Beatnik Heh, the name "Beatnik" would imply that Thomas D. still is sporting the goatee... Alas, the centrism of the Mac community will be its ultimate downfall. :) Cases like this - Mac-sourced ports - have hardly ever come to fruit, since Mac developers tend to not go outside their own community when they port something to the PC platform. Their assumptions in many cases (from hardware on down) tend to come off as more an evangelization of the Mac platform, than what it may or should be. Otherwise Adobe, etc. would be doing much better by now. Typically we on this side of the fence have come to expect disappointments with respect to ports from Mac platforms, mainly for this reason. Which, of course, lends itself to a 'wait and see' attitude on this side. Not to dis something before its time, of course, I'd welcome the opportunity to assist Mr. Dolby in his efforts. I've been in the PC community on the development end on down, since 1981, and know a bit about system processes. And I've got contacts that have written some heavy-hitters on the multiple-platform level as well: for instance, the guy who wrote the software for pen recognition that you use when you sign for a UPS package? > I believe that is right. The authoring tools are only mac-based now, with > plans to release pc-based tools later. The end user plug-ins are available > on all platforms. > > I am glad to see that the coolest stuff on the net is available for macs > before pc's for a change, heh heh...... Then again, I've come to know "PC vs. Mac" arguments as nothing more than intellectual masturbation. :) I've worked on Macs as well, going back to 85. But the business world being what it is, and the PC being what it is, in their opposite states of change, well, I know what pays the rent. :) If I supported just Macs for a living I'd have one here - despite my great dislike for having Philosophy installed in the hardware. [s] However, I remain in an observant frame for this. Cheers, Stephen. PS - Have you ever been to my site? Stephen Goodman * Download The Loop Of The Week and more! EarthLight Studios * http://www.primenet.com/~sgoodman/Studios *----------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ------------------------------ > > At 01:25 PM 4/28/97 -0700, you wrote: > >>From what I've understood the encoder is still Mac-based, though they've > >got plans to make a PC encoder sometime this year. Being a PC-based > >person, this is alas, only encouraging. :) > > > >---------- > >> From: Kim Flint > >> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com > >> Subject: Re: looped music/web > >> Date: Monday, April 28, 1997 1:12 PM > >> > >> At 03:47 PM 4/28/97 -0400, you wrote: > >> >Hi all, > >> > > >> >I recently possed the following question to Headspace about their new > >audio > >> >Netscape plug-in called Beatnik. > >> > > >> [interesting beatnik stuff] > >> > > >> >Has anyone tried playing back seamless loops from a PC using this > >plug-in? > >> > > >> > >> Just install it and go to the Headspace site. Thomas Dolby's walk-through > >> examples include several looped audio parts. Also good examples of > >> interactive audio on a web page. They also have links to demonstration > >sites > >> with more interesting stuff. I went to one created by a trip-hop dj that > >let > >> you control four parts of a mix, with the ability to change the audio > >> samples in different parts, as well as mixing and muting the different > >> channels. It was a blast! Another page let you essentially compose an > >> ambient piece interactively by starting up various audio samples and > >letting > >> them loop or go in and out, or whatever., all by interacting with a > >graphic > >> on the page. It was all incredibly cool. > >> > >> Another thing my girlfriend noticed, is that midi files from the web > >sound > >> fantastic through beatnik. I think they have their own sample library, > >which > >> replaces the crappy gm sounds we had through quicktime. I'm using it for > >all > >> web based audio now, and highly recommend it. > >> > >> kim > >> _______________________________________________________ > >> Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > >> VLSI Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > >> Chromatic Research > >> > >> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Kim Flint 408-752-9284 > VLSI Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com > Chromatic Research > > From ???@??? Tue Apr 29 01:04:20 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 28 19:23:21 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wM2Zc-0005HR-00; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 19:23:20 -0700 Message-ID: <336568F2.2FD@fredmarshall.com> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 19:20:23 -0800 From: fred marshall Reply-To: fred@fredmarshall.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: goateeism ain't p.c. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <"HUGYhC.A.QsE.3qVZz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 19:23:20 -0700 X-UIDL: 64ca39604565614d12c1e98f5d907128 - somebody once said, "the world is more like a thought than a thing". - hats off to the gentleman from ms. mmmmmmm - yo chris! - beat is beautiful ! ! ! From ???@??? Tue Apr 29 01:04:21 1997 >From kflint Mon Apr 28 20:43:10 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wM3on-0001sQ-00; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:43:05 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 23:37:49 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: hporter@UAkron.Edu (Hayden Porter) Subject: Re: looped music/web Resent-Message-ID: <"INjRlB.A.3bB.U0WZz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:43:05 -0700 X-UIDL: ee98b8fe7048a0f45b1fef5dfc5b83bd Hi folks, I didnt mean to start up a PC vs. Mac war over a few loops. {:+/ I just wanted to know if anyone using Beatnik on a PC had any problems playing a "seamless" audio file loop. They, Headspace, claim that Beatnik bypasses Window's MCI controls. Consequently I would assume that the gap of silence that Stephen Goodman previously pointed out would not be present on a loop played back using Beatnik. Also I dont believe that you have to encode a file into Headspace's RMF format to get Beatnik to play it back. The readme that comes with Beatnik claims that it plays all standard formats plus its own RMF and that it should be backwards compatible with Liveaudio (NS). I think this test would be a simple matter of just using the Beatnik plug-in to play back any audio file loop (wave, au or aiff) on the web and listen for a difference between its playback and Liveaudio's playback. I am assuming that liveaudio does not bypass the MCI controls and as a result puts in a gap of silence inbetween each repeat of the loop. Beatnik since it bypasses the MCI controls should play the loop seamlessly. Unfortunately, I cannot test this myself because I dont have access to a PC. Have I got anytakers out there??? or would you all rather drop the matter???? Sincerely, Hayden Porter hporter@uakron.edu From ???@??? Tue Apr 29 01:04:37 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 29 00:07:56 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wM70t-00047N-00; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 00:07:47 -0700 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 03:01:34 -0400 From: Michael Peters Subject: RE: looped music/web To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199704290301_MC2-1597-6D31@compuserve.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"61WPG.A.DmD.X1ZZz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 00:07:47 -0700 X-UIDL: b2cc5296d2a9c5860dd6e72341dd4b5a >Just install it and go to the Headspace site. it still doesn't run under NT4 ... arg!!! ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm Support the Warr Guitar Defense Fund http://home.earthlink.net/~greendog/warrfund.html From ???@??? Tue Apr 29 01:04:38 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 29 00:08:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wM71F-000492-00; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 00:08:09 -0700 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 03:01:40 -0400 From: Michael Peters Subject: David Torn's new loop CD To: "'INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com'" Message-ID: <199704290303_MC2-1597-6D35@compuserve.com> Resent-Message-ID: <"liEOfC.A.LnD.i1ZZz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 00:08:09 -0700 X-UIDL: 3d1f4bb1146ac85e4d3f26f034ce8909 David Torn just announced that the Audio version of his second loop-only CDROM, "Pandora's Toolbox", is now available from Q-Up Arts per mail order. Does anyone know their address, and/or if the CD is also available somewhere in shops? ___________ Michael Peters http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters HOP - Fractals in Motion ..."the only screen saver you'll ever want" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/hop.htm Support the Warr Guitar Defense Fund http://home.earthlink.net/~greendog/warrfund.html From ???@??? Tue Apr 29 01:04:39 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 29 00:10:29 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wM73P-0004If-00; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 00:10:23 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970429071502.00746d60@pop.chromatic.com> X-Sender: kflint@pop.chromatic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 00:15:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: looped music/web Resent-Message-ID: <"3g-Si.A.b1D.n4ZZz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 00:10:23 -0700 X-UIDL: 290f2387bf89adc17a2c11268bf51581 At 11:37 PM 4/28/97 -0400, you wrote: >Hi folks, > >I didnt mean to start up a PC vs. Mac war over a few loops. {:+/ well, we were tired of the beyond-fripp vs. jamman debate anyway.... >Also I dont believe that you have to encode a file into Headspace's RMF >format to get Beatnik to play it back. The readme that comes with Beatnik >claims that it plays all standard formats plus its own RMF and that it >should be backwards compatible with Liveaudio (NS). I think that's right. I think the Headspace authoring tools are for creating their RMF format audio files. That is primarily oriented at people creating interactive audio for multimedia and games and such. Just about any audio files work with Beatnik. On my mac at home I've got Netscape set to use beatnik for just about every audio format possible. I've got LiveAudio totally off. Also, it seemed like most of the interactive stuff I tried with Beatnik was done with java scripts. So it should be possible for anyone to set up beatnik-aware websites. (assuming you are java-aware, of course) >I think this test would be a simple matter of just using the Beatnik >plug-in to play back any audio file loop (wave, au or aiff) on the web and >listen for a difference between its playback and Liveaudio's playback. I >am assuming that liveaudio does not bypass the MCI controls and as a result >puts in a gap of silence inbetween each repeat of the loop. Beatnik since >it bypasses the MCI controls should play the loop seamlessly. > >Unfortunately, I cannot test this myself because I dont have access to a >PC. Have I got anytakers out there??? or would you all rather drop the >matter???? I'd be surprised if it didn't work. I know the guy in charge of engineering there - he's one of the best people I've worked with. I'd like to hear other people's experiences if they try it, since this could be a really interesting new way to compose interactive music. I'd test the pc stuff for you myself, but despite the fact that I work at one of those hot silly-con valley multimedia wizbang companies, I don't have any multimedia hardware in my pc. Go figure..... kim _______________________________________________________ Kim Flint 408-752-9284 VLSI Systems Engineering kflint@chromatic.com Chromatic Research From ???@??? Tue Apr 29 09:29:10 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 29 06:11:25 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wMCgl-0005uF-00; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 06:11:23 -0700 From: miguel.barella@poyry.com.br Date: Tue, 29 Apr 97 10:09:17 TZ3 Message-Id: <9703298623.AA862333741@jpccmail.poyry.com.br> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re[2]: JamMan & MIDI sysnc Resent-Message-ID: <"zNczo.A.nZF.WLfZz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 06:11:23 -0700 X-UIDL: ce937fce2b7582d630c63f2ca874ccb2 Bob, Thank you for the explanation. Although it does not solve the problem, it clarifies the subject. Let me know if anything new happens. Regards, Miguel ___________________________ Separador de Resposta ______________________________ Assunto: RE: JamMan & MIDI sysnc Autor: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com na INTERNET Data: 29/04/1997 9:45 >Message was resent -- Original recipients were: To: Loopers-Delight ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------- Miguel, There are two possible causes for the noise I can think of; one you can fix the other you can't. When Jamman is slaved to an external MIDI clock it determines the end of the loop by itself based on the tempo of the clock and the number of beats selected on the front panel. If the operator tries to end the loop manually, the resulting loop will very likely be shorter than it should be. When the loop is too short, Jamman restarts the loop twice: once when the end of the loop (time) is detected and once when the correct number of MIDI clocks has come in. The solution is to let Jamman close the loop by itself (DON'T tap a second time). This will get the loops size to it's best fit. The second cause is based on the jitter on the incoming MIDI clocks and the resolution of Jamman itself. At best, Jamman can lock in a loop size to within half a millisecond (512us). The problem is that most MIDI clock sources have jitter (timing variations) in the same neighborhood. After the loop time is locked in, the priority in Jamman is to stay in perfect sync with the incoming MIDI clock. The problem is that the combined half millisecond resolution of Jamman and the jitter on the incoming clock result in the actual size of the loop changing very slightly every time through. As the loop size changes, Jamman either shortens the loop or replays the very beginning of the loop to compensate resulting in potential clicks and pops. With the PC itself being slaved the jitter gets worse and so do the clicks and pops. As I said, there is currently no work-around for this other than, as you said, not playing anything at the loop edge. The only other thing I can suggest (which is equally klugey), is to place something percussive at the splice point which will tend to mask the noise. I am looking at the problem, however, and will let you know if I come up with anything. If anyone out there has any suggestions on how to deal with this, I'd love to hear it. Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec bsellon@lexicon.com ---------- From: Loopers-Delight[SMTP:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com] Sent: Friday, April 25, 1997 12:56 PM To: loopers-delight Cc: ghogan Subject: JamMan & MIDI sysnc Hello, I am facing the following problem with JamMan, that maybe somebody already solved and can give me some help. An SMPTE track (from an ADAT) drives a PC with Cakewalk that sends MIDI clock to JamMan. Fine, JamMan syncs properly! The problem is that in the beginning of every bar and/or loop JamMan introduces an audible perturbation on the sound. The silly solution I found is not to play in this spot but this keeps me away from continuos sounds and many other things. This does not happen when Jam Man is used alone or driving the computer or any other box. Any clues on how to solve this? Miguel From ???@??? Tue Apr 29 09:29:07 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 29 03:14:34 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wM9vc-0001dI-00; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 03:14:32 -0700 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 12:11:33 +0200 (MET DST) From: Olivier Malhomme To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: A new looper? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: "GIS INFOBIOGEN, 7 rue Guy Moquet BP8, 94801 VILLEJUIF, France" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"9nU5j.A.7aB.TmcZz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 03:14:32 -0700 X-UIDL: 9bedea493689bc617b00658ddf3eb8b1 I read this morning in the issue #84 or Door X, a mailing list devoted to David Torn, a post mailed by himself where he stated the incredible number of things he was doing and working on. The thing that should interest us is that he is currently designing a new looper and he seems to want to approach the industry with the plan of the thing. He he! ssounds pretty interesting, except he did not give details... Olivier Malhomme From ???@??? Tue Apr 29 09:29:08 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 29 05:42:13 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wMCEV-0004vz-00; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 05:42:11 -0700 Message-Id: <9704291242.AA20782@beryllium.lexicon.com> Priority: urgent Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:21:00 -0400 From: "Sellon, Bob" Subject: RE: JamMan & MIDI sysnc To: Loopers-Delight X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME Resent-Message-ID: <"hsYOR.A.CfE.xveZz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 05:42:11 -0700 X-UIDL: 73b63ca92fceb964b51a06fed4b38f6a Miguel, There are two possible causes for the noise I can think of; one you can fix the other you can't. When Jamman is slaved to an external MIDI clock it determines the end of the loop by itself based on the tempo of the clock and the number of beats selected on the front panel. If the operator tries to end the loop manually, the resulting loop will very likely be shorter than it should be. When the loop is too short, Jamman restarts the loop twice: once when the end of the loop (time) is detected and once when the correct number of MIDI clocks has come in. The solution is to let Jamman close the loop by itself (DON'T tap a second time). This will get the loops size to it's best fit. The second cause is based on the jitter on the incoming MIDI clocks and the resolution of Jamman itself. At best, Jamman can lock in a loop size to within half a millisecond (512us). The problem is that most MIDI clock sources have jitter (timing variations) in the same neighborhood. After the loop time is locked in, the priority in Jamman is to stay in perfect sync with the incoming MIDI clock. The problem is that the combined half millisecond resolution of Jamman and the jitter on the incoming clock result in the actual size of the loop changing very slightly every time through. As the loop size changes, Jamman either shortens the loop or replays the very beginning of the loop to compensate resulting in potential clicks and pops. With the PC itself being slaved the jitter gets worse and so do the clicks and pops. As I said, there is currently no work-around for this other than, as you said, not playing anything at the loop edge. The only other thing I can suggest (which is equally klugey), is to place something percussive at the splice point which will tend to mask the noise. I am looking at the problem, however, and will let you know if I come up with anything. If anyone out there has any suggestions on how to deal with this, I'd love to hear it. Bob Sellon Lexicon/Stec bsellon@lexicon.com ---------- From: Loopers-Delight[SMTP:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com] Sent: Friday, April 25, 1997 12:56 PM To: loopers-delight Cc: ghogan Subject: JamMan & MIDI sysnc Hello, I am facing the following problem with JamMan, that maybe somebody already solved and can give me some help. An SMPTE track (from an ADAT) drives a PC with Cakewalk that sends MIDI clock to JamMan. Fine, JamMan syncs properly! The problem is that in the beginning of every bar and/or loop JamMan introduces an audible perturbation on the sound. The silly solution I found is not to play in this spot but this keeps me away from continuos sounds and many other things. This does not happen when Jam Man is used alone or driving the computer or any other box. Any clues on how to solve this? Miguel From ???@??? Tue Apr 29 09:29:06 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 29 02:14:11 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wM8zC-0000Hd-00; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 02:14:10 -0700 Message-Id: <199704290913.AA185915236@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> To: "INTERNET:Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com" Subject: loops in open air - gig announcement Date: Tue, 29 Apr 97 11:14:00 -0500 From: Markus X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Resent-Message-ID: <"24kp3C.A.JJ.mtbZz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 02:14:10 -0700 X-UIDL: fa6c7f30a15d95a7c2d9493fd16f910c Dear fellow loopers! CENTROZOON will be headlining this year's 'Music Painting' festival in the big park of Rheda-Wiedenbrueck, Germany. It'll take place on May the 8th and CENTROZOON is scheduled to be on at 15:00. CENTROZOON are: Bernhard Woestheinrich - ROLAND MC 303, Oberheim CYCLONE Thorsten Niestrath - percussion, synthesizer Markus Reuter - Warr Guitar TSG-8, Oberheim Echoplex, etc. We are playing heavily looped improvised music and are looking forward to see you there! Contact me when you need more info! -- -> Markus Reuter, Dammwiese 7, 33613 Bielefeld, Germany <- -> email mreuter@post.uni-bielefeld.de <-> phone (521) 896248 <- -> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mpeters/markus.htm <- -> SUPPORT THE WARR GUITAR DEFENSE FUND: <- -> http://home.earthlink.net/~greendog/warrfund.html <- From ???@??? Wed Apr 30 02:07:29 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 29 13:59:27 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wMJzO-00042h-00; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:59:06 -0700 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:49:44 -0400 (EDT) From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <970429164755_776423363@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: bsellon@lexicon.com cc: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan & MIDI sysnc Resent-Message-ID: <"1P2LIC.A.yOD.n8lZz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 13:59:06 -0700 X-UIDL: 182a7419cbdf13e659358bbc8669d86e In a message dated 29/04/97 3:01:16, you write: > >If anyone out there has any suggestions on how to deal with this, I'd >love to hear it. > >Bob Sellon >Lexicon/Stec How about? With the jamMan synced to PC a loop is started not when the tap occurs, but when the audio threshold is exceeded. JamMan then records till the end of the midi-defined-cycle, and then continues recording a fade out of suitable duration ( 100millisecond?)(simultaneous with 1st playback). For continued playback simply start at the beginning of each cycle, overlapping the tail of the last copy. You now have a sample which is regularly triggered with a polyphonic No. of 2. Layering, For this to work you need some way of guessing that the next trigger is about to occur.So you'd have to monitor the incoming midiclock and make a guess, then ignore the actual trigger. When recording a layer:- (assume layering starts mid loop) At 100ms(?) before the next trigger( estimated) start recording a fade in as well as recording the same material to the end of the sample. On the guessed trigger stop recording the faded in signal and start layering at full vol onto the beginning of the sample. Simultaneously record a fade out onto the end of the sample. Splice the faded in material to the beginning of the sample next time round. On subsequent loops the fade in will need to be layered . Perhaps it would be easier to add a 100ms silence to the beginning of the sample before layering started, so the algorithm for layering wouldn't have to be different for the 1st layer. Hope this isn't gibberish, Andy Butler From ???@??? Wed Apr 30 02:07:30 1997 >From kflint Tue Apr 29 14:02:37 1997 Received: from lists by ferret.slip.net with local (Exim 1.61 #2) id 0wMK2M-0004Fc-00; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 14:02:10 -0700 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:51:23 -0400 (EDT) From: SoundFNR@aol.com Message-ID: <970429164813_673986463@emout19.mail.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Subject: Re: JamMan modifications Resent-Message-ID: <"yeYboB.A.-YD.w-lZz"@ferret> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/2671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SmartList Resent-To: kflint@annihilist.com Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 14:02:10 -0700 X-UIDL: 7ca1974f589af6cc49fedaa22189f443 In a message dated 07/04/97 12:43:45, you write: >We have been considering the issue of different sized loops >simultaneously but are not sure of how to implement it cleanly. For >instance, if you created a loop in 4/4 then wanted a second loop of a >different size, would you want the second loop to be in a definable >relative time signature (5/4, 13/4) or just "tapped" in on the fly? Our >current software approaches the traditional multi-loop concept used in >Jamman (play the current loop then switch to the next one) by switching >"Pages". Each Page can have up to 4 simultaneous loops which change when >the Page changes. The Page changes at the end of the loop. How do I deal >with this if the loops are of different size. If I wait for the end of >each loop, the loops on the second page will be out of sync even if they >weren't intended to be. Any ideas? We have the capability to have loops >of different size but we have been backing away from them because of >problems like these. We also weren't sure how many people would use them >if we did work it out. Obviously there are some. > >If you have a preference on how you would like the thing to work, let me >know. I can't make any guarentees but would like to put this kind of >functionality in the new rom if we can. > >Bob Sellon >Lexicon/Stec > >