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Re: The Dark Side of Live (Ableton) and the goodies

128 samples in the host. Sometimes I go with 256 in Bidule (only to
save CPU tax), but that's a bit too much latency for my taste. In
Mobius I don't set any buffer these days since I don't use it in
standalone mode any more, only as a plugin.

The drop-outs of Live (in slave sync mode) I mentioned probably has to
do with its plugin latency compensation. It used to be active when
running in master sync mode but not in slave sync mode. Following the
evolution of Live (since starting to use it at 2.0) t seems to me that
these late drop-out issues have come with Live's increased CPU
efficiency. So maybe it is a logical trade-off from the new code?

Mainstage and Bidule doesn't do any plugin latency compensation
because they are designed only for real-time stream processing.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen

On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Ricky Graham
<rickygrahammusic@gmail.com> wrote:
> What buffer size are you running at when looping?
> R
> On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:01 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> well, I used the word "click" with no further explanation but I guess
>> what I meant was more like "pre recorded". You know, "the click"
>> doesn't need to be rhythmical. In the duo with Erdem we do concerts
>> using our whole album as "the click" to improvise around. I found a
>> Max For Live "visual metronome" that blinks the tempo for the parts
>> where "the click" flows non rhythmical.
>> Per
>> On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> Per, playing to a click! Woah. I never thought I would read that 
>>> statement. It does like a good idea though to make yourself work in a 
>>> new way.
>>> Thanks for the reports. I've been doing a bunch of experimenting with 
>>> my looping setup lately(In Mainstage as well) so I will definitely 
>>> give Live a solid test run again.
>>> --------------------
>>> Todd Matthews
>>> toddbass.com
>>> twitter: gtodd876
>>> On Apr 14, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Per Boysen wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I just want to report on my happiness and frustration with using
>>>> Ableton Live as my looper host. On the happy side is that I'm finding
>>>> Live 8.3 way more CPU efficient than my other two usual host
>>>> applications Plogue Bidule and Mainstage. The dark side is that Live
>>>> is no good when slaved by MIDI Clock to a hosted looper plugin. This
>>>> setup causes regular audio dropouts. That's not fun since I'm a big
>>>> fan of "trash-looping" where you instantly delete and rebuild the loop
>>>> during a performance, resulting in constant tempo changes. I've done
>>>> many tests and it just doesn't work in Live. So I'm now trying to
>>>> learn how to adapt to the click and still stay creative with my
>>>> looping. But there are other goodies in Live - one important fun
>>>> factor is that you can bring in sequencing and set up random scripted
>>>> slicing of canned loops playback along with the live looping. And the
>>>> option to record multiple channels at 24/48 suits me fine (Bidule can
>>>> do that too). Thanks to Max For Live I found a good tuner plugin as
>>>> well, which comes in handy with a 12 stringed instrument :-)  and I
>>>> have also discovered that Live's own "Amp and Cabinet" plugin sounds
>>>> ok for Stick and guitar. Not as good to my ears as the Amp Designer in
>>>> Mainstage and not as good as Amplitube 3 but in the recent version
>>>> Amplitube 3 tends to crash host applications or render saved documents
>>>> corrupt.
>>>> Bottom line is I'm happy with Live now.
>>>> I'm also fine with saving the wildest sessions for Mainstage.
>>>> Mainstage is less CPU efficient but as long as you stay under the red
>>>> zone it works flawlessly as a slave, MIDI Clock synced host
>>>> application for a looper. You can just trash everything in Mobius and
>>>> start a new loop while the music is going and Mainstage smoothly
>>>> adapts to the new tempo without an audio glitch while you hear all
>>>> delays and termolo stuff slowing/speeding into the new tempo. Very
>>>> cool. I will miss that in Live. Live may become my suit-and-tie-job
>>>> host app and Mainstage my party-on host ;-))  Nothing bad in that, as
>>>> long as you are aware about it.
>>>> Greetings from Sweden
>>>> Per Boysen
>>>> www.perboysen.com
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen