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Re: The Dark Side of Live (Ableton) and the goodies

What buffer size are you running at when looping?


On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 7:01 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> well, I used the word "click" with no further explanation but I guess
> what I meant was more like "pre recorded". You know, "the click"
> doesn't need to be rhythmical. In the duo with Erdem we do concerts
> using our whole album as "the click" to improvise around. I found a
> Max For Live "visual metronome" that blinks the tempo for the parts
> where "the click" flows non rhythmical.
> Per
> On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Todd Matthews <gtmatthews@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> Per, playing to a click! Woah. I never thought I would read that 
>> statement. It does like a good idea though to make yourself work in a 
>> new way.
>> Thanks for the reports. I've been doing a bunch of experimenting with 
>> my looping setup lately(In Mainstage as well) so I will definitely give 
>> Live a solid test run again.
>> --------------------
>> Todd Matthews
>> toddbass.com
>> twitter: gtodd876
>> On Apr 14, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Per Boysen wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I just want to report on my happiness and frustration with using
>>> Ableton Live as my looper host. On the happy side is that I'm finding
>>> Live 8.3 way more CPU efficient than my other two usual host
>>> applications Plogue Bidule and Mainstage. The dark side is that Live
>>> is no good when slaved by MIDI Clock to a hosted looper plugin. This
>>> setup causes regular audio dropouts. That's not fun since I'm a big
>>> fan of "trash-looping" where you instantly delete and rebuild the loop
>>> during a performance, resulting in constant tempo changes. I've done
>>> many tests and it just doesn't work in Live. So I'm now trying to
>>> learn how to adapt to the click and still stay creative with my
>>> looping. But there are other goodies in Live - one important fun
>>> factor is that you can bring in sequencing and set up random scripted
>>> slicing of canned loops playback along with the live looping. And the
>>> option to record multiple channels at 24/48 suits me fine (Bidule can
>>> do that too). Thanks to Max For Live I found a good tuner plugin as
>>> well, which comes in handy with a 12 stringed instrument :-)  and I
>>> have also discovered that Live's own "Amp and Cabinet" plugin sounds
>>> ok for Stick and guitar. Not as good to my ears as the Amp Designer in
>>> Mainstage and not as good as Amplitube 3 but in the recent version
>>> Amplitube 3 tends to crash host applications or render saved documents
>>> corrupt.
>>> Bottom line is I'm happy with Live now.
>>> I'm also fine with saving the wildest sessions for Mainstage.
>>> Mainstage is less CPU efficient but as long as you stay under the red
>>> zone it works flawlessly as a slave, MIDI Clock synced host
>>> application for a looper. You can just trash everything in Mobius and
>>> start a new loop while the music is going and Mainstage smoothly
>>> adapts to the new tempo without an audio glitch while you hear all
>>> delays and termolo stuff slowing/speeding into the new tempo. Very
>>> cool. I will miss that in Live. Live may become my suit-and-tie-job
>>> host app and Mainstage my party-on host ;-))  Nothing bad in that, as
>>> long as you are aware about it.
>>> Greetings from Sweden
>>> Per Boysen
>>> www.perboysen.com
>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen