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Re: The Dark Side of Live (Ableton) and the goodies

Per, playing to a click! Woah. I never thought I would read that 
statement. It does like a good idea though to make yourself work in a new 

Thanks for the reports. I've been doing a bunch of experimenting with my 
looping setup lately(In Mainstage as well) so I will definitely give Live 
a solid test run again.
Todd Matthews
twitter: gtodd876

On Apr 14, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

> Hi,
> I just want to report on my happiness and frustration with using
> Ableton Live as my looper host. On the happy side is that I'm finding
> Live 8.3 way more CPU efficient than my other two usual host
> applications Plogue Bidule and Mainstage. The dark side is that Live
> is no good when slaved by MIDI Clock to a hosted looper plugin. This
> setup causes regular audio dropouts. That's not fun since I'm a big
> fan of "trash-looping" where you instantly delete and rebuild the loop
> during a performance, resulting in constant tempo changes. I've done
> many tests and it just doesn't work in Live. So I'm now trying to
> learn how to adapt to the click and still stay creative with my
> looping. But there are other goodies in Live - one important fun
> factor is that you can bring in sequencing and set up random scripted
> slicing of canned loops playback along with the live looping. And the
> option to record multiple channels at 24/48 suits me fine (Bidule can
> do that too). Thanks to Max For Live I found a good tuner plugin as
> well, which comes in handy with a 12 stringed instrument :-)  and I
> have also discovered that Live's own "Amp and Cabinet" plugin sounds
> ok for Stick and guitar. Not as good to my ears as the Amp Designer in
> Mainstage and not as good as Amplitube 3 but in the recent version
> Amplitube 3 tends to crash host applications or render saved documents
> corrupt.
> Bottom line is I'm happy with Live now.
> I'm also fine with saving the wildest sessions for Mainstage.
> Mainstage is less CPU efficient but as long as you stay under the red
> zone it works flawlessly as a slave, MIDI Clock synced host
> application for a looper. You can just trash everything in Mobius and
> start a new loop while the music is going and Mainstage smoothly
> adapts to the new tempo without an audio glitch while you hear all
> delays and termolo stuff slowing/speeding into the new tempo. Very
> cool. I will miss that in Live. Live may become my suit-and-tie-job
> host app and Mainstage my party-on host ;-))  Nothing bad in that, as
> long as you are aware about it.
> Greetings from Sweden
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen