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Re: Mobius Mystery part 2



Hey Kevin.

So my previous post was incorrect... Delving in tonight, I seem to have 
solved the problem here.

For me, using Live with Echoloop (close relative of Möbius), the solution 
waxy to send TWO Note On messages, both at 127, one in the "down" stream 
and the other in the "up" stream. Once I did that, Record behaves exactly 
as it should, including long and short press behaviors.

And while the other functions were working well enough, deploying this 
same dual Note On scheme at all the buttons on my foot controller opened 
up all the other short/long press stuff for everything !

Not certain this will solve for you, but we are not so far apart I think, 
and maybe there is at least a clue for you here...

Good luck :)

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 12, 2012, at 9:57 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> 
wrote:

> Well, this is getting embarrassing but I will press on to ask again 
> anyway.
> 
> I can get the midi to work running Mobius as a stand alone.  Record
> starts recording and plays as expected when stopped.
> 
> But when I go into Live, the recording always does that 1 second and
> reset thing.  I thought I tried all the things suggested (and I do
> have it set up as described below) but I can't figure out what is
> going on.  Anyone want to take pity on a simpleton and walk me through
> the steps of configuring Live and Mobius to play nicely together.  I
> feel like I'm missing something obvious but don't know how to track it
> down.  I guess its fair to say I know enough to cause trouble but
> don't really quite understand exactly what I'm doing.
> 
> I'd be happy to read a manual but I can't even seem to find the
> solution to the problem I'm facing in the manual or forums (though
> Jeff's manual does mention the long press reset problem but seems to
> assume I would then know how to solve that issue).
> 
> Round three anyone?
> 
> Kevin
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Phil Clevenger
> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I am thinking we (and by "we" I think I mean Per and Ricky G) solved the
>> problem by routing MIDI directly to the plug-in via a MIDI track in 
>> Ableton,
>> rather than trusting Ableton to deliver the message.
>> 
>> 
>> So - Set up an empty MIDI channel, and set up an Audio channel. Place 
>> the
>> plug-in in the Audio channel. In the MIDI channel route the "MIDI From" 
>> from
>> the audio interface (and filter channel if need be) and route the "MIDI 
>> To"
>>  to the plug-in channel, and subsequently to the plug-in itself within 
>> that
>> channel.
>> 
>> 
>> This should ensure the plug-in is hearing what is being sent, and not 
>> being
>> munged by Ableton.
>> 
>> 
>> I will check this out this evening when I get back to my studio and let 
>> you
>> know.
>> 
>> 
>> Phil :)
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:19 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's also typical behaviour for when the Note-Off doesn't reach
>>> the Echoloop.
>>> 
>>> It seems that Ableton suppresses Note-Off on some (all?) routings.
>>> 
>>> andy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Per Boysen wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> When using any third-party plugin hosted in Live there are three ways
>>>> external MIDI control surface gear can talk to the plugin:
>>>> 
>>>> 1) As MIDI Track Input through Live (activate/deactivate in Live's
>>>> Preferences, MIDI/Sync tab).
>>>> 2) As Remote control through Live (activate/deactivate in Live's
>>>> Preferences, MIDI/Sync tab).
>>>> 3) Third-party plugin set to listen directly to the system's MIDI 
>>>> Port.
>>>> 
>>>> The issue with the looper killing itself on Record is typical when
>>>> more than one of the above control systems are active (as Jeff
>>>> explained).
>>>> 
>>>> I have tried all three for looper plugins and with Mobius I stick to
>>>> "3". Not because it is better but because it makes my jumping between
>>>> many alternative host applications very smooth. "1" is also easy once
>>>> you have set the MIDI bindings in Mobius. In order to make "2" work
>>>> with Mobius one needs to first go into Mobius and chose which
>>>> parameters the plugin shall expose to the host and then use Ableton's
>>>> internal system (VST or AU protocol) to set up the mapping in Live.
>>>> The "Abes" recommend this method.
>>>> 
>>>> Greetings from Sweden
>>>> 
>>>> Per Boysen
>>>> www.perboysen.com
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Phil Clevenger
>>>> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wow that's weird, just this evening I have been wrestling with the 
>>>>> exact
>>>>> same behavior, but with Echoloop within Live. All Echoloop functions 
>>>>> are
>>>>> mapped and respond fine, but pressing the LG controller button bound 
>>>>> to
>>>>> Echoloop's Record function results in a short bit of Record time, 
>>>>> followed
>>>>> by a reset. So it seems to interpret the NoteOn as a long press.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Had it working some time back - encountered this problem then as 
>>>>> well,
>>>>> but somehow solved it, and now cannot recall the solution - gah !
>>>>> 
>>>>> Phil
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 11, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Okay, so anyone thinks I should take this to the Mobius forums 
>>>>>> that's
>>>>>> cool, but....
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So thanks to Jeff's advice I got Mobius running in live and even
>>>>>> managed to configure the layout of the FCB1010 for most functions.
>>>>>> Every command I programmed worked EXCEPT, when I press the button
>>>>>> bound to the record function, it goes into record for 4 counts and
>>>>>> then stops.  I've confirmed that the pedal is sending Note on and 
>>>>>> off
>>>>>> with a value of 01.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Apologies if I'm missing the obvious, it certainly wouldn't be the
>>>>>> first time.  I hope to get this figured out before I get annoying 
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> these questions.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any pointers?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to 
>>>>>> have a
>>>>>> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all
>>>>>> trouble.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
>>>>>> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all 
> trouble.
> 
> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
> 
> Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos
>