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Re: Mobius Mystery part 2



Well, this is getting embarrassing but I will press on to ask again anyway.

I can get the midi to work running Mobius as a stand alone.  Record
starts recording and plays as expected when stopped.

But when I go into Live, the recording always does that 1 second and
reset thing.  I thought I tried all the things suggested (and I do
have it set up as described below) but I can't figure out what is
going on.  Anyone want to take pity on a simpleton and walk me through
the steps of configuring Live and Mobius to play nicely together.  I
feel like I'm missing something obvious but don't know how to track it
down.  I guess its fair to say I know enough to cause trouble but
don't really quite understand exactly what I'm doing.

I'd be happy to read a manual but I can't even seem to find the
solution to the problem I'm facing in the manual or forums (though
Jeff's manual does mention the long press reset problem but seems to
assume I would then know how to solve that issue).

Round three anyone?

Kevin



On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Phil Clevenger
<phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am thinking we (and by "we" I think I mean Per and Ricky G) solved the
> problem by routing MIDI directly to the plug-in via a MIDI track in 
> Ableton,
> rather than trusting Ableton to deliver the message.
>
>
> So - Set up an empty MIDI channel, and set up an Audio channel. Place the
> plug-in in the Audio channel. In the MIDI channel route the "MIDI From" 
> from
> the audio interface (and filter channel if need be) and route the "MIDI 
> To"
>  to the plug-in channel, and subsequently to the plug-in itself within 
> that
> channel.
>
>
> This should ensure the plug-in is hearing what is being sent, and not 
> being
> munged by Ableton.
>
>
> I will check this out this evening when I get back to my studio and let 
> you
> know.
>
>
> Phil :)
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:19 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
> wrote:
>>
>> It's also typical behaviour for when the Note-Off doesn't reach
>> the Echoloop.
>>
>> It seems that Ableton suppresses Note-Off on some (all?) routings.
>>
>> andy
>>
>>
>> Per Boysen wrote:
>>>
>>> When using any third-party plugin hosted in Live there are three ways
>>> external MIDI control surface gear can talk to the plugin:
>>>
>>> 1) As MIDI Track Input through Live (activate/deactivate in Live's
>>> Preferences, MIDI/Sync tab).
>>> 2) As Remote control through Live (activate/deactivate in Live's
>>> Preferences, MIDI/Sync tab).
>>> 3) Third-party plugin set to listen directly to the system's MIDI Port.
>>>
>>> The issue with the looper killing itself on Record is typical when
>>> more than one of the above control systems are active (as Jeff
>>> explained).
>>>
>>> I have tried all three for looper plugins and with Mobius I stick to
>>> "3". Not because it is better but because it makes my jumping between
>>> many alternative host applications very smooth. "1" is also easy once
>>> you have set the MIDI bindings in Mobius. In order to make "2" work
>>> with Mobius one needs to first go into Mobius and chose which
>>> parameters the plugin shall expose to the host and then use Ableton's
>>> internal system (VST or AU protocol) to set up the mapping in Live.
>>> The "Abes" recommend this method.
>>>
>>> Greetings from Sweden
>>>
>>> Per Boysen
>>> www.perboysen.com
>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Phil Clevenger
>>> <phil.clevenger@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Wow that's weird, just this evening I have been wrestling with the 
>>>> exact
>>>> same behavior, but with Echoloop within Live. All Echoloop functions 
>>>> are
>>>> mapped and respond fine, but pressing the LG controller button bound 
>>>> to
>>>> Echoloop's Record function results in a short bit of Record time, 
>>>> followed
>>>> by a reset. So it seems to interpret the NoteOn as a long press.
>>>>
>>>> Had it working some time back - encountered this problem then as well,
>>>> but somehow solved it, and now cannot recall the solution - gah !
>>>>
>>>> Phil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 11, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Okay, so anyone thinks I should take this to the Mobius forums that's
>>>>> cool, but....
>>>>>
>>>>> So thanks to Jeff's advice I got Mobius running in live and even
>>>>> managed to configure the layout of the FCB1010 for most functions.
>>>>> Every command I programmed worked EXCEPT, when I press the button
>>>>> bound to the record function, it goes into record for 4 counts and
>>>>> then stops.  I've confirmed that the pedal is sending Note on and off
>>>>> with a value of 01.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apologies if I'm missing the obvious, it certainly wouldn't be the
>>>>> first time.  I hope to get this figured out before I get annoying 
>>>>> with
>>>>> these questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any pointers?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to 
>>>>> have a
>>>>> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all
>>>>> trouble.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
>>>>>
>>>>> Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
>>>>> Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>



-- 
Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
Video http://www.vimeo.com/user877640/videos