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Re: Re: loops with a drummer?
Dave Draper wrote:
I've never met a drummer who's /happy/ to be a slave to a loop!
(/They/ set the rhythm, right?)
This is an interesting topic that I"ve given considerable time to in my
own life as a professional drummer
and a live looping artist.
I love playing to loops. I consider it a unique timely challenge to be
able to do so rather than being
a 'slave' to the loop. It's difficult to do and not every drummer has
the timing skills required to
play to a loop.
That said, there are several things that have to happen for this to
work in two distinctly different scenarios:
A) Where the drummer is supposed to play continuously to a an already
established melodic loop
1) the drummer has to have really good monitoring of the loop.
That's a bottom line.
2) also, frequently, an instrumentalist will lay a rhythm loop
down and then proceed to overdub on the
loop which causes timbral masking and makes it exceedingly
difficult for a percussionist (or anyone)
to hear the foundational rhythm loop clearly enough.
3) towards this end, I think it's excellent for the drummer to
have their own monitor whose volume they can control
in the middle of the gig, themselves. This monitor works best if
it receives ONLY the loop that is foundational
This can be tricky depending on who is sending them the loop, but
a loop selector pedal is really a great tool
for directing a loop to the drummers monitor.
4) a drummer who has not experienced this kind of situation HAS
to practice synchronizing in such a scenario.
Don't expect an inexperienced drummer to be able to do this the
first time. It wont' happen and you'll get
In the case of multi-tracking loop setups, I recommend that the first
loop (rhythm loop) be sent to one
channel and then sent on to the drummers' monitor. In the LP-1, as an
example, you can route a loop to an AUX channel out that only goes to
the drummer/percussionist for audible loop synchronization. I believe
Live and Mobius can also be routed similarly.
B) Where the person who controlling the loop attempts to synchronize
and re-synchronize to a live band in real time.
1) frustrated by the Line 6 DL-4's inability to retrigger without
the 'one shot' function engaged (necessitating
three button presses to to resync a loop to a live band/drummer
(retrigger, stop- at the end of the loop in a
musical place, play) I actually put a brand new function into the
LP-2 - RETRIGGER CONTINUOUS for specifically
this kind of re-triggering scenario.
2) when I'm using this 'manual retrigger' approach to staying in
sync with a live band (or, indeed, to another
looper using non-synced rhythmic loops that I want to stay
syncrhonized to) and I'm the one
controlling the loop, I find it efficacious to create longer
lengthed loops (4 bars instead of 1 bar, at least)
so that the drift from the band (or alternate un-synced loop) will
take a lot longer.