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Re: Echoloop VST MIDI controller
Ended up grilling it with some vegetables. A good choice.
Glad the set works.
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Phil Clevenger
> Wow - thanks so much Per and Ricky.
> Ricky, your file tests well and perfectly illustrates the solution. And I
> bet your steak was delicious :) Can't wait to get home later and do the
> work with incoming MIDI from the LG.
> Per... THANK YOU ! Yes there is a reasonable explanation in the abstract
> about MIDI routing in the manual. And in the help, rollover and
> But this kind of application of MIDI command assignment is one I have not
> come across before, so it did not occur to me that this was a *routing*
> issue. I spent easily 8 hours poring over the old EDP assignment texts,
> updated Echoloop assignment texts, Ableton's assignment texts in the
> and helps, searching LD and other internet forums, checking my work in
> Gordius, engaging in some trial and error in case the manuals were in any
> way erroneous, trying out different MIDI pref settings, and so on. Was
> at all sure this was an Ableton problem anyway... (meanwhile my wife
> popping in and poking me for 'geeking out,' asking why I don;t just
> 'pick up
> the guitar and play some freaking songs...lol )
> SO you see I thought this to be an assignment or compatibility issue,
> than a routing issue. I could have spent another eight hours and still
> found the explanation, because I was looking for the wrong solution !
> And in the end, Per, your explanation is so much better than those in
> Ableton... For instance, read the text for the Track/Sync/Remote prefs in
> the rollover help, unless you are a MIDI pro they make little sense. Your
> explanation has helped me to grok that for the first time :D Maybe you
> should write their manuals :)
> So huge thanks to you folks. I am sure there are others who will also
> benefit from this exchange here besides just me. What on earth did we
> do before the interweb?
> Phil :D
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Ricky Graham
>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Ricky Graham
>> <email@example.com> wrote:
>> > yep. just frying a steak. i will eat that steak. and then i will send
>> > on the ableton set to both of you.
>> > r
>> > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Per Boysen <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Phil Clevenger
>> >> <email@example.com> wrote:
>> >>> And Per, regarding this:
>> >>> "Instead you could set up a direct MIDI path into the Echoloop and
>> >>> feed it
>> >>> directly from your external MIDI control gear. "
>> >>> Not sure what that means but it sounds damned sexy ! Can you
>> >>> clarify?
>> >> Sorry, I took that for understood, as it is explained quite well in
>> >> the manual that comes with Live and also is included within the
>> >> application's GUI (the "Info View" box that can be kept open in the
>> >> lower left corner. Any object you hover the mouse pointer over will
>> >> be
>> >> explained in that box)
>> >> There are two ways to pipe external MIDI directly into a plugin
>> >> hosted
>> >> in Ableton Live.
>> >> 1) Set up the plugin to listen to a MIDI In port.
>> >> I'm not sure Echoloop will let you do that, so let's skip that for
>> >> this
>> >> time.
>> >> 2) Route incoming MIDI by Live's preferences settings and Live's
>> >> mixer
>> >> into the Plugin.
>> >> MIDI comes in through the MIDI In port. Your MIDI interface's MIDI
>> >> ports will be visible in Live's preferences setting's "MIDI Sync"
>> >> tab.
>> >> For piping a MIDI In port's data directly to a plugin (but through a
>> >> Track) you need to set this MIDI In port as active for "Track" (there
>> >> are also "Sync" and "Remote"). Then close the preferences window and
>> >> chose a MIDI Track in Live's mixer. In this track's input slot you
>> >> chose the appropriate MIDI In port (if you want you can filter to
>> >> pass
>> >> only one MIDI channel here). Set the track's Monitor to "In" (there
>> >> are also "Auto" and "Off"). In the "MIDI To" slot select the MIDI
>> >> Track where you have opened the plugin. Now, you may regard it tricky
>> >> with an audio looping plugin hosted on a MIDI Track, how to get your
>> >> audio input into the looper? Well, in Live the usual routing for that
>> >> is to first use an Audio Track to fetch the signal from the physical
>> >> audio input then send that track (by its "Audio To" slot addressing)
>> >> to a Return Track. The good news here is that a Return Track's output
>> >> can send to both Audio and MIDI Track's inputs.
>> >> Happy looping!
>> >> Per