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Re: Revisiting Ableton Live, now with Max4Live

What is mainstage: a host applicztion for bothj Live and Mobius?
Sorry for the numb skull question!

Antony Hequet
Poet composer

On 2012-01-26, at 16:31, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Louie,
> The sync update of Live happened long ago. It doesn't help for the
> audio artifacts that appears in slave sync mode. Maybe I should have
> called it "a fidelity issue" instead? ;-)
> To repeat: when running Live synced to MIDI clock a lot of changes you
> do by external MIDI control creates cracks and pops in the audio. I
> didn't want that so I moved on to set up the same rig in Biule. It
> worked fine (better actually) until the very last stage where Bidule
> just crashed (maybe a memory issue?). Finally I built the same rig in
> Mainstage 2.2 yesterday and it is turned out to be the best
> application for my needs (which is extensive Mobius live looping,
> setting the temp by first loop catching in Mobius, host application
> following Mobius' tempo by internal (IAC Bus) MIDI Clock. Host loaded
> with lots of tempo dependent effects, a synth channel, two mono audio
> inputs, a stereo audio inputs and two effect aux tracks with
> "playable" effects.)
> That's my general bare bones report that I hope will help some folks
> to spend less time in the tech pit and more time making music.
> Greetings from Sweden
> Per Boysen
> www.perboysen.com
> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Louie Angulo
> <louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> hey Per there seems to be an Ableton update that addresses the sync
>> problem,how it working now slaved to mobius? any better?
>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Well, I wouldn't think you'd have to emulate that. Ableton Live and
>>> Mobius seem to be almost identical when it comes to recording and
>>> stacking up alternative sets of loops on several parallel tracks.
>>> Differences are that Live can not overdub and multiply into the same
>>> loop (like Mobius) and Mobius won't make you manually change the order
>>> of the loops once they are recorded (as you can do in Live).
>>> I spent yesterday recreating my live looping setup based on Mobius as
>>> the tempo sync master in the new Mainstage 2.2 and it worked out
>>> exceptionally well. During almost a month work in Live it felt like a
>>> wonderful revelation to be back on the super fidelity that MS
>>> provides! I have no idea why but my stuff sounds so much better when
>>> piped out through Mainstage, guessing there must be something about
>>> how the compressors work and how the audio engine handles summing of
>>> audio streams. And the new multi CPU/core support was evident as a
>>> seemingly never ending DSP power. But it seems you need to re-build MS
>>> concerts from scratch in 2.2 to get it right and the trick to make the
>>> new multi core handling happen is to keep CPU intensive channelstrips
>>> without any cross talking like side-chaining or sending audio through
>>> a bus to an aux that also receives audio sent from other
>>> channelstrips. That is the same logic as in how you set up big
>>> projects in Bidule, but while you have to assign objects manually in
>>> Bidule to be taken care of by another CPU/core this is automatic in MS
>>> 2.2. Missing Max 4 Live though, because I could set up great "swell
>>> pedal" functionality with M4L "audio amplitude envelope follow to data
>>> control" devises. An option totally lacking in MS (if not using a
>>> third-party plugin like Amplitube 3 that has a good swell pedal
>>> simulation, but to me both Sticks and guitars sound more interesting
>>> without such tube amp/cab simulation. Well you can actually cheat up a
>>> rather lame swell pedal in Mainstage by using the Envelope plugin, but
>>> it's kind of somewhere on a scale between half-assed and luke warm).
>>> So if someone can recommend an Audio Unit plugin that applies "swell
>>> attack" to the audio signal I'd be grateful for hint ;-)
>>> Greetings from Sweden
>>> Per Boysen
>>> www.perboysen.com
>>> http://www.youtube.com/perboysen
>>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi Per
>>>> fair enough, esp. if you use Max4Live as a crazy effect tool ;-)
>>>> Personally, I actually would like to use Ableton for both live 
>>>> looping and recording. But at the moment it's just not flexible 
>>>> enough.
>>>> So what I end up doing is emulating Ableton clip/scene behaviour in 
>>>> Mobius. Oh well...
>>>> best regards
>>>> Buzap
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