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Re: Sound vs function - refuting myself



Apparently the guitar player for chris isaac used the pod as well, even on that legendary "wicked games" tone.

Uh oh!

On Jun 19, 2011 11:49 AM, "richard sales" <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:
> WAIT! I just remembered! There is a lap steel sample on www.asherguitars.com by Steiner Gregertsen, "Heaven Only Knows" (Beach Boy's song) that sounds tremendous. I wrote him and asked what amp he used and it was one of the Line amp modelers. It was just a modeling of a black face Fender. So it COULD be that if you don't use a ton of effects, if you don't push these boxes too hard, overwhelm the buss with tons of stuff, they sound good.
>
> I don't know. Never owned a multi effects gizmo other than the old Ibanex UE400 and the Ensoniq DP/4.
>
> Wise men say, "Never say never"! Now I'm eating my own crow!
>
> Richard Sales
> Sent from my IPad
> www.glasswing.com
>
>
> On Jun 19, 2011, at 4:41 AM, Louie Angulo <louie.angulo@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes man the Ethos is the best preamp ive tried so far going directly
>> into the board!
>> even better i run it through a little compact 60 watt AER acoustic
>> guitar amp and then into the board man with my gretsch through those
>> what a sound!
>> and portable enough to take in the train,plus your back spine will
>> smile again,thats why my 50 watt koch sits in my room ever since!
>> i m with Bill,i think im done with the multi fx proccessors thing,is a
>> bit tiresome having to travel through menus to tweak simple and
>> essential things like EQs in patches,
>> i ve had multi fx proccesors for years,my first one the korg A3 and
>> then the the Roland GP100 which i kept ofr a long long time,the i
>> finally updated to a GT 10
>> but recently i realized that it had been collecting dust and ive gone
>> back to basics,one tone and fx,perhaps the fact that ive been playing
>> acoustic guitar for a few years now has made me strip down.
>> So i ended up selling my GT10 and right now im happy with a basic
>> setup, the ethos preamp and the M9.
>> On the software side i have to say though that im impressed with
>> guitar rig,though ive always been hardware i actually like the guitar
>> tones better than all of those hardware mulit fx proccessors,
>> If i run it through the rme 400 and then directly into the board and
>> setup the buffer size correctly i get no dramatic latency issues and
>> it makes a great guitar amp emulator and proccessor,
>> though ive still yet to try it live!
>> Luis
>>
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>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:55 AM, William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
>>> As a fellow tone snob I feel your pain, I'm still stuck in hardware mode
>>> and I'm able to do what you want with out involving a computer, but there
>>> are few hardware choices available that can do multiple loops and mine, the
>>> LP-1 is currently out of production and the roland rc 50 has been
>>> discontinued. When the time comes for me to move to software I will still
>>> continue to use a small hardware front end and smaller floor looper as both
>>> a safety net and also because I still prefer analog, even solid state over
>>> modeling for guitar tones. To wit, my Custom Tones Ethos preamp offers a
>>> scant two channels of guitar tone, essentially a clean and a dirty channel
>>> with an extra boost on the dirty channel, but it has an excellent speaker
>>> emulator output, so I can get great guitar tones even if I have to run
>>> direct. Its like a dumble amp in a box, and I'm fortunate enough to have
>>> played a few in my time. Effects are another matter as i can really see
>>> putting a lap top to good use with both pre and post effects. Right now I
>>> tend to have my effects pre loop when playing live and honestly I like the
>>> fact that my ethos and M-9 and timefactor and other effects are easy to
>>> change on the fly, the frustration I have found with all in one
>>> modeling/effects amps is how clumsy they have tended to be when needing to
>>> change eq and parameter settings on the fly. To much bass for the room? what
>>> are you going to do, tweak every preset you have created each time you move
>>> to a new one? i think the new modeling amp choices are much better than
>>> when I was using them , and they have addressed a number of these issues,
>>> but they still feel and sound a bit flat to my ears. Plus I'm a bit tired of
>>> endless menus, and LCD screens. Time spent editing effects parameters and
>>> learning new platforms is time not making music, and currently I'm more
>>> interested in making music with the tools I have, which as of yet have not
>>> proved limiting. So if I was making the leap, I think i'd keep as much
>>> analog front end as possible, but keep it simple, and use a combo of Abelton
>>> and Mobius, becaues cool people in the know said so, and because Jeff
>>> Larson has a dog almost as cute as mine , and what ever cool plugs I could
>>> get my hands on, I would start to integrate...slowly. I'd start with some
>>> Expert Sleepers stuff, because Os makes cool plugins, and I'd become an
>>> absolute pest to many of you on this list.
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
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>> --
>> www.luis-angulo.com
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