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Re: max/msp experts - midi clock smoother?

On the Mac through IAC into Bidule I'm seeing jitter +- about .05 BPM  with occasional .4 spikes.
It's a little better on Windows.    This is higher than I was expecting, and I might be able to improve that
but some amount of jitter is unavoidable in consumer OSs.  What I suspect happens is that drum machines, sequencers, or anything that actually needs to sync a pattern to a tempo will tend to do it's own smoothing, while
simpler things like a delay plugin that just wants to know "120" won't smooth and may attempt
to follow very minute variations.  Splicing in a tempo smoother might help there.  In Bidule a better
way to do that would be to use VST sync which is much more accurate than MIDI but not every
plugin supports that and AFAIK Bidule is the only host that supports it.


On Apr 3, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Simeon Harris wrote:

thanks jeff. actually i don't think live rounds tempos any more. i did a few versions ago, but when i look at the tempo indicator it's moving around either side of some average tempo. whether this is down to mobius or live i don't know, but if i monitor the midi clock sent from mobius over the iac bus in bidule, i still see movement, which is why i used the "rounded tempos for live" checkbox in the "midi clock to sync" bidule in my bidule layout. this worked extremely well for me and all my delay plugins synced quite happily with whatever was going on in mobius, as they had a steady clock to sync to. it may not be exactly the same clock that mobius is putting out, but when you're just syncing delays etc, that doesn't matter so much. if live rounded the clock tempo up or down, i'd be happy, but from what i've read on the web, it's just not good at syncing to external clock. if i can get this little max/msp patch to work, i think i will have cracked it for the moment.

On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff@zonemobius.com> wrote:
Sorry I've been away.  First of all, this is the first time in five years I've heard reports of the Mobius
master clock being "flakey".