Steve wrote: ".while we're talking netiquette, it's still considered shouting by most web-users to write things all in capitals on email lists and forums......just sayin' ;)" Actually I do know that Steve and I have made this request three or four times this year alone and was shouting on purpose. If I bugged you, I apologize. I was just trying to get people's attention, specifically because speaking in a polite tone of voice over and over doesn't seem to get a response. It's a fascinating phemomenon, though........................without the use of HTML (underlining and bold letters) there seems no way to be emphatic when speaking as in conversation when you are writing online. I get frustrated with net communication sometimes because I want to be emphatic but without the use of underlining, it pushes buttons if one capitalizes. If this bothers people here in general, I'll stop doing it, I promise. Let me know.