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Re: Mobius first impressions... and questions.

Welcome to the gang Mark, i have joined Mobius as well!
All i can tell you is that Mobius is frightening,after playing with an EDP 
for so many years,having bought a second to use in stereo and still having 
drift problems this is like suddently having 8 new stereo ones all with 
new functions,and better sound quality!
It has functions from the EDP,Repeater,Looperlative,DL4 and i think any 
ohter looper you can think of.I havent had any problems comanding it with 
my FCB1010,except for the begining which had to do with driver setup.If 
you have a good soundcard the sound is above any other looper!Like you i 
have to adapt to the multitrack mentality yet, although i could still use 
it almost exactly as the EDP with "more loops" only but that would defeat 
the purpose of exploring something new.I am also playing at the Y2k8 but i 
dont think i am ready to loop with it yet,my mono Gibosn EDP still feels 
like my old shoes comfortable and dependable;-)
Jeff Larson and Per Boysen are amazingly helful so i highly recomend you 
joining the zone mobius yahoo groups.
But i still love hardware,much sexier than stearing at a laptop and 
dealing with mouses,so if Matthias comes up with a new hardware stereo EDP 
with better sound quality upgradable and loop storage and new cool 
functions i am buying one!
oh,and with his beautiful old logo offcourse;-)


--- On Tue, 9/30/08, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:

> From: mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
> Subject: Mobius first impressions... and questions.
> To: "loopers-delight" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 12:59 PM
> Hi guys,
> As many of you know from my previous rants aginst the
> "laptop loopers" I am
> a self proclaimed "hardware head" (its a medical
> condition you know).
> But I thought I would write a few notes to the group
> regarding my first
> experiences of.. wait for it, wait for it.... MOBIUS!!!
> But first a raison d'Ítre: I was going to be at Y2k8,
> and perform. I was
> planning a NEW IMPROVED streamlined flight friendly case,
> empty of loopers
> (that I could borrow en situ) but full of... well my stuff.
> (synth modules,
> joysticks, and pitchshiftin, bit crushing madness.) It was
> then that it
> happened, I considered it, for the first time... laptop...
> gulp... and
> mobius...
> As some of you know I have had to cancel my trip and
> performance, cos my
> better half Hilde has been diagnosed with Cervical Cancer
> and we have just
> started her Radiation and Chemo therapy yesterday... some
> things come before
> looping guys. (and girls...go get them thar smear tests..
> don't walk...
> run... )
> Why have I always been against software, well it all stems
> from a period
> where I only produced music on computer, its was great... I
> did 2 maybe
> three great albums, using predominately Audio Mulch... I
> was drawn in by the
> wealth of possibilities, the infinate versions, radical mix
> after radical
> mix... I dreamt up instruments, then I created them, in
> SynthEdit or
> Reactor, I micro edited samples down at the sample level,
> building sounds
> from scratch, morphing one thing into another, I made
> aleatoric systems that
> played themselves getting their only data from weather
> pressure data from an
> alaskan website, I listened and recorded actual live police
> radio from
> Saracuse, it was a blast!!!
> But then I added up the amount of hours spent at a
> computer. As a film-maker
> as my dayjob, then coming home and using a computer for
> fun... I was sat
> there.. 18 hours a day, in front of the screen.
> So I went back to the (now dusty rack and modular synth)
> and never looked
> back... until now (Here comes the Mobius stuff for those
> that thought this
> was a Mobius review).
> I thought.. so what if I just had my guitar and a
> laptop..(reintroducing the
> guitar should keep it physical) and so for a mere 3 hours
> last night I gave
> it a go.
> I was mightily impressed.
> But not without some reservations.
> First-up I should say I couldnt get my FCB1010 to work with
> it. I should say
> that I will buy a PC lap and a decent sound/midi card when
> I have completely
> convinced myself, but for now I thought I would try it out
> with my M audio
> Ozone. Imagine my dismay when I went round the back of the
> keyboard and
> looked at "That other midi plug that should be midi
> IN"... Oh no.. its
> something called USB in... not a USB socket, but a midi
> plug, not sure what
> its for, but it aint midi IN... so no pedal power for
> now...
> And I think THAT issue would probably solve all my
> problems. As everyone
> knows, you cant loop with a mouse click... impossible, but
> I tried, oh and
> this with the new mac version. I will get a PC do do this
> eventually, so I
> can run it inside Mulch (anyone using Mobius in Mulch
> BTW... works?? or??)
> Sound quality was excellent, I think I probably have to
> change the noise
> floor setting, cos it was writing Overdubs every loop, even
> though I wasnt
> playing anything (that is the same as on the EDP right...?
> Dont play, no
> overdub??)
> I loved the fact that I could now SEE what was happening
> with the overdub
> layers, with the quantized up-coming commands.
> I was annoyed by the fact that one track stayed in Overdub
> when I switched
> to another... any need for that?
> And is it still recording into that first track while you
> make a new track?
> So actually I DIDNT like that it had multiple tracks, I
> could use ONE more
> than the edp... so two... and I like that they are stereo,
> but I found
> myself going to new tracks all the time, like it was a
> repeater, and that
> makes a different kind of music... that is unweildy and
> repetative, one that
> you cant change in a moment cos everything is spread across
> tracks... god 4
> tracks is too many on the Repeater for me!!
> None of the speed change or pitch shift things worked
> (apart from the EDPish
> hlfspeed, worked fine) but thats probably a mac version
> port thing-soon to
> be fixed.
> It distorted quite easily for me after a few overdubs, prob
> need to fiddle
> with gain structure I guess, but I am used to be able to
> and stroke it...
> LOVED the idea of the track slip thing (is this the same as
> on the repeater?
> Should it slip by cycles, beats.. what?) unfortunatly that
> crashed Mobius on
> my machine...
> Also LOVED the idea of different presets on each track.
> (But needed to
> figure out how to change the default settings) Does ANYONE
> have UN-synched
> tracks as a default? Why?
> And seriously intrigued (but not enough time to try) by the
> scripts thing.
> One of my current techniques is to fire a bunch of midi
> notes at my EDP from
> my drum-machine. I regularly have pre worked-out sequences
> for example...
> that overdubs then changes the 8ths setting then goes half
> speed, reverse,
> normal speed, forward, multiply... then 25 undos in a row.
> if scripts will let me do the same thing... but I think
> so... and more
> besides... record on track one after an 8th, switch to
> track 2, repeat
> across all tracks, wher all tracks are pre pitched to
> different notes, THEN
> after one bar stop record on one and insert one space
> later... bla bla
> bla...
> What does "Shuffle" do? Button didnt seem to do
> anything.
> I am yet to be able to say how it FEELS... This has been
> one of my things in
> previous posts, that just like a favoured guitar, where you
> love the action
> or the tone, and how it sits against your knee, a looper
> has FEEL. The EDP
> to me has lots of FEEL, I play WITH it, forget it, it
> surprises me, yet
> never tricks me. My OTHER looper the repeater, has NO FEEL,
> I like its
> features, but I must treat it like a tape machine, I switch
> it on, it
> records, it loops, it does what I tell it, but I cant
> forget it, one Undo,
> and 4 tracks means I lose myself in where what is, I need
> to remove
> something and take down the wrong track
> Now... with Mobius inside Mulch... with different tracks
> coming out to
> different bubbleblowers? shiiiiiiiit..
> So im not there yet... would like some feeback on these
> questions, but I
> will probably joint the Mobius list and hang out for a
> bit...
> Need to borrow a new soundcard witha midi IN and try it
> with FCB.. maybe the
> FEEL is ok... man...
> By the way.. where is the Mobius list, couldnt find it at
> Yahoo...
> thats it for now... good first impresions... but scared
> what the future
> might bring (in more ways than one - see 3rd paragraph)
> Later kids, dont stay up to late..
> Mark
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