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Re:( Mobius rhythmic accuracy) was: now That First Loop
Now that i finally got the driver issue with mobius out if the way i am
having a similar problem; with the MME drivers mobius had latency when i
triggered it with the fcb1010,now that is working with ASIO(which by the
way it was a matter of assigning correcly the ports of my RME fireface)it
responds nice and fast but when i record a loop and end it,playback starts
faster or ahead of time which can throw me off,same when i do overdubing!
anybody having this problem?compared to the EDP is there an difference in
accuracy response? would i just have to adapt to this and live with it,or
is it a setup problem?
--- On Thu, 9/4/08, andy butler <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> From: andy butler <email@example.com>
> Subject: Re: New Member - was Buying Advice, now That First Loop
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 12:53 AM
> Or alternatively:-
> The most accurate and reliable method to create that first
> loop is
> to tap at the beginning of the loop, and then tap at the
> By using the same method to start the loop as to end it,
> a slight (but significant) advantage in that any timing
> between the tapping and the playing will cancel out.
> (e.g. if you tap slighty early both times, you still get an
> accurate loop length).
> Any method that uses 2 different actions to start and end
> the loop is likely
> to mess with accurate timing.
> While it's often recommended to play a rhythm part
> through a couple of times
> before recording it this does not give any advantage, you
> still have to
> learn to co-ordinate yourself ,you don't learn any of
> the looping
> skills you'd need for more complex arrangements and it
> sound/look as cool.
> The tap-play-tap method may seem a bit hard at first, but
> it's actually not
> at all hard to learn, I've seen people "get
> it" in about 5 mins of trying.
> (just practise a short rhythm loop till it works).
> Respect to Dave for describing a couple of other
> I'd also say that it's better to turn off the
> pre-set tempo on the looper,
> and just tap in the loop.
> (unless you need to sync up for some reason}
> andy butler
> Dave Gallaher wrote:
> > I assume the Boss Loop Station you have is like mine,
> and therefore has the
> > Autostart setting available. This will reduce 50% of
> your loop error
> > potential right off the bat if you are starting from
> silence. Select
> > Autostart; set the level to the point where a
> well-played note (but not an
> > accidental click or handling noise) will begin the
> loop. Then all you have
> > to do is end on time, and it's much easier to hit
> the '1' following several
> > measures of playing than it is to start dead on.
> > Another technique: if you are going to lay a rhythm
> guitar pattern down as
> > the bed, play it a couple times before hitting the
> loop. If you have any
> > discrepancy in your tempo between your starting point
> and the end of the
> > phrase, you can usually be rid of it after a go-round
> or two. Using
> > autostart, simply play the guitar pattern, stop for a
> four beat rest while
> > stepping on the record pedal, then begin on
> > I have no experience recording with included clicks
> and drum rhythms, so
> > this advice may be useless to you if this is your
> > dave
> > Subject: RE: New Member - Buying Advice and Opinions
> > Thank you all for your advice. I really appreciated
> > I had it down to the following three --
> > A) Boomerang with 2-channel Mixer -- not feasible, as
> the footprint and
> > extra setup for a mixer would detract from what I need
> it to do in the way I
> > need it to work (get up on stage, set up, go quickly)
> > B) Digitech JamMan - looked great, but realistically
> when live could only
> > record one phrase at a time (otherwise would have to
> stop and save)
> > C) Boss Loop Station - expensive and finicky, with a
> large number of
> > complaints registered online, and even a known
> "glitch" that bothers some
> > people regarding a playback gap.
> > In the end, I went with the Boss Loop Station, due
> mostly to the links
> > provided by members here, and their comments. In the
> scant hour I've spent
> > messing with it, I've already been able to do two
> tunes that I couldn't do
> > solo (tough to do a 3-part harmony/bodhran song by
> yourself -- without a
> > looping station, that is).
> > Now to practice!
> > (yegods, laying down that first track so it repeats
> nicely, in a timely
> > regular fashion, is an ART! ... It took me awhile to
> figure out that the
> > tempo light switched red on the FIRST beat ... My
> brain keeps insisting that
> > red must be on the FOURTH beat for some reason?!)
> > If anybody wishes to pass me the links/references on
> "looping for newbies --
> > how to lay an initial decent rhythm track in under 20
> minutes!" then feel
> > free to e-mail me privately (so as not to spam the
> list with my newbie
> > stuff).
> > Thank you all again for the advice. I appreciate it.