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RE: pedal idea for ambient sounds (not necessarily looping related)



Hi Andy,
 
You wrote:
 
"So when you fade up the 3rd chord you also bring back the 1st chord which is still
in the first loop :-(
In the worst case, you end up fading between 2 different big tonal washes."

I think this is only partly true, because the chord in the first loop has double the time to decay. If this still isn't enough You have to adjust the decay time on the reverb.

> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 15:57:43 +0100
> From: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: pedal idea for ambient sounds (not necessarily looping related)
>
> Hi Marco.
>
> So when you fade up the 3rd chord you also bring back the 1st chord which is still
> in the first loop :-(
> In the worst case, you end up fading between 2 different big tonal washes.
>
>
>
>
> I get the sort of effect you're after in the following way,
> except that I don't have an autoswell,
> so make the swells with an expression pedal.
>
> I have an expression pedal which simultaneously controls the dry volume, the input
> level to an echo and
> feedback on the echo.
> (actually it controls that for 2 LR panned echoes of different length, and
> also messes with modulation in the feedback loop, but the principle his the
> same).
>
> So I hit a chord and swell it with the expression pedal,
> ..as long as I hold the pedal down the chord sustains.
> To change chord, I just bring my toe up, and play another one.
>
> By varying the amount of feedback in the toe up position, along with
> the delay time, I can vary how quick I want the response to be.
>
> I do this with a Lexicon Vortex, but the technique should work
> on other devices.
>
> example:-
>
> http://www.andybutler.com/mp3/moonset.mp3
>
> andy butler
> ps.
> Just noticed that Mark Smart already answered this,
> but with slighty different explanation.
>
>
> Marco Coblenz wrote:
> >
> >
> > I love the sound of volume swells into high feedback delay / massive
> > 100% wet reverbs. It's great for those ambient drone sounds. A problem
> > to me is, if You want to follow a chord progression it easily just turns
> > into a big tonal wash.
> >
> > So I came up with the following idea for a custom pedal:
> >
> > - one input, one output, 2 always-on parallel loops (loopA, loop B)
> >
> > - loop A and B can be seamlessly blended/mixed via an extern expression
> > pedal (Roland EV5) into an expression jack (I don't want a rocker style
> > pedal, prefer external expression control)
> >
> > - the blending works in 2 ways at the same time, at the send AND the
> > return side of each loop but in opposite direction. Example: When Loop A
> > return is 100%, then is LoopA send 0%, LoopB return 0% and LoopB send 100%
> >
> > In each loop will be an verbzilla with 100% wet, max decay cave setting.
> > The operation would be like this:
> > 1) play a chord (swelled in via an autovolume pedal) to feed Loop A
> > (which send is 100% open)
> > 2) move the exp pedal in the opposite direction. The loop A return is
> > now 100% open, so that You can hear the first chord now.
> > 3) While the first chord is still ringing You play the next one which
> > now feeds loop B but cannot be heard as Loop B's return is closed
> > 4) move the exp pedal in the opposite direction. You blend in the second
> > chord while the first one disappears.
> > 5) go on with 3) and 4) for each new chord
> >
> > If You just want the sound be let through as normal You park the exp
> > pedal in the middle, so both loops get 50% and put out 50% all the time.
> >
> > What Do You guys think?
> >
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