Re: Looping venue help

["Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>]

----- Original Message ----- 

> Hi Krispen (and everyone else),
>
>> plays for a living. You could take it even further and say
>> that when you play for fee, but don't really need the money,
>> you are doing that same. It all depends on your political and
>
> This is a very dangerous line of argument. It's called communism and
> socialism, and leads to dictatorship, torture, mass murder, economic
> breakdown and in the final outcome, to a world where there isn't a place 
> for
> your crazy stuff (nor for your well-paying day job).

What's wrong with those things? Just kidding. :)  Yes, I wasn't advocating 
the viewpoint, just calling it out as a possible line of thought.  I hope 
freedom of thought and expression is acceptable on the list. There are 
many 
flavors of fascism...intellectual being one of them. A line of argument 
and 
idea is one thing (sacred, imo) and should be allowed to stand. Action is 
quite another animal.

>> festival.  In this case, paying for free/fee doesn't appear
>> to be a problem, because this is not the type of event or
>> music that is inherently designed to be profit generating,
>
> The "kind of event" approach is very important to me as a 
>non-professional
> who is not dependent on earning money from making music. I myself don't 
> have
> the slightest problem to play without getting paid if nobody else gets 
> paid
> for it directly or indirectly. While I didn't do (or asked you to 
>explain 
> to
> me) the math for things like BEMF or Y2Kloopfestival, it's rather 
>obvious 
> to
> me that if these events generate some actual earnings, it would be in the
> range of, let's say, 20 to 30 bucks per musician. I believe this money is
> better invested in a) amenities from which the musicians at the festival
> benefit, b) compensation for the festival manager (we're still talking 
> about
> that kind of money where someone working his ass off for months on end 
>may
> get, if he's lucky, a few hundred dollars).

Good points. Though I still refuse to be compensated financially for my 
efforts. My compensation and reward is the event iteself and hanging out 
with all of you.

> Summarizing: I will not give away my art if somebody else gets money from
> it. I am happy to give away my art if all other parties get from the 
>deal 
> is
> my art.
>
> Rainer

It's not a bad principle to follow, Rainer. I tend to agree.

Kris