>>On a side note.. 'fun' how Behringer ofted gets discreminated, while in reality by far most of their products are actually pretty good.<< at risk of inviting a libel case from them, the reason that most behringer products are actually pretty good is that the designs, inside & very often outside too, are nobbled from other manufacturers (boss, EHX, mackie & the rest). so uli doesn't have to pay for R&D or industrial design except on a very few product lines that are unique (apparently) to behringer, e.g. the fcb1010. I have no issue with the reliability or quality of the products- indeed, I own several of their mixers & an fcb1010 myself. I think for those of us that are generally comfortable with the build quality & reliability, the remaining nasty taste is due to the rarified atmosphere of the moral high-ground. there are some pictures on the music-thing blogsite with the EHX & boss units next to their behringer, er, ringers. the words "cheeky" & "bastards" come to mind. it's that blatant. since these pics were posted, the boss-a-like range has had it's appearance changed to make it less boss-like. I don't know why- yakuza? :-) take a look at this: http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2005/01/behringers-dirt-cheap-stompboxes- look.html duncan.