Re: how do you correct a bad loop on stage, etc

[Joshua Carroll <josh@infinivert.com>]

I once saw David Crowder Band in concert, and a particular song was 
supposed to begin with a canned drum loop, followed by some turntable 
work before the live band came in.  I think that I and a couple other 
musicians familiar with the technology were the only ones who noticed 
that anything was wrong.  Dave just told a long story about some 
squirrels while the sound guy and the dj got the issue fixed.

Of course, it would have been a little different if he hadn't had a 
stage full of very professional live musicians playing with him, but I 
think he probably would have handled it well on his own too.

--Josh



Krispen Hartung wrote:
> Interesting side topic from this...I have yet to experience my laptop 
> or VST host crash during a performance. So what would I do if this 
> occurred?  I'd naturally play off the prior themes I was creating with 
> my loops and effects, and continue that thread of feel  in solo...just 
> the guitar, dry with no effects or looping...I'd do that for a while 
> and then naturally end the piece, take a break, and then reboot.  In 
> short, I'd make it "appear" all planned, like most professionals in 
> the entertainment business would do. The show must go on. Of course, 
> the fear of doing otherwise is probably a defect of my compulsive 
> personality, and an overly exaggurated sense of self-pride in my work.
>
> I always cringe when most musicians make mistakes or experience gear 
> issues and then make the audience aware of this in detail, completely 
> blowing the feel of the performance. Some performers have a good sense 
> of humor and can pull it off, making jokes and making the audience 
> laugh at the technological blunder...others stumble around and it 
> comes across as really awkward and unprofessional.  And then my 
> biggest pet peeve is when performers make mistakes and insist on 
> telling the audience this, self-deprecating themselves in the process. 
> "whoops, sorry, oh, let's try that again...sorry, I need to practice, 
> etc, etc".  I feel so embarrassed for people when they do that. I 
> prefer that they just keep going rather than repeat the mistake or 
> section ad nauseum, as if they have to get it right to move on.
>
> Kris
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 12:52 AM
> Subject: Re: Favorite Five Threads on L.D.
>
>
>>
>> Do it man!
>> i guess the question about correcting a loop that has
>> gone wrong would apply more to loops that are supposed
>> to be perfect in sync or when trying to play something
>> really "groovy" rhythmically.This is why the EDP has
>> become my looper of preference,with this machine i can
>> comfortably make music out of mistakes,its non latency
>> response and well thought out edit capabilities give
>> me the most confidence onstage.With the repeater i
>> often had little groove problems,i often had to adapt
>> to its little latency which made it a bit
>> uncomfortable,although i will miss a lot of its cool
>> features like panning,pitch shifting track muting etc.
>> so i would just say to the audience stay with me folks
>> i promise i will get it right;-)
>> cheers
>> Luis
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Can I post again? Please? :)
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>> > what percentage of loopers go and play 100%
>>> improvised
>>> > loops or arranged premeditated loops on stage?
>>>
>>> That's my bag all right....everything I do these
>>> days is totally
>>> spontaneous. It's like doing drugs, but it's legal.
>>>
>>> > how do you correct a bad loop on stage,stop
>>> > abruptly,bullshit your way while tweaking or
>>> shoe/rack
>>> > gazing until u get it right?
>>>
>>> To play off a famous quote of Miles Davis, "Do not
>>> be afraid of errors.
>>> There are no errors", I never play bad or incorrect
>>> loops.  On occasion, I
>>> might play something that doesn't ring well with me
>>> emotionally (neither
>>> correct nor
>>> incorrect), but I always manage to work with it
>>> somehow. It becomes part of
>>> me just like all my other personality, physical, and
>>> psychological flaws as
>>> a
>>> human being. Even if I loop something rhythmic and
>>> my foot fails me (maybe
>>> because I have had one too many cups of coffee or
>>> drank too much alcohol),
>>> generating a loop that is an 8th note longer rather
>>> than what my brain
>>> wanted to do
>>> initially, that instantly becomes the norm and basis
>>> of what I do
>>> afterwards. I don't really care if I intend on
>>> playing a 4/4 phrase but it
>>> ends
>>> up being 9/8 or 7/8, or even something like 13/8 or
>>> 11/8. In fact, I don't
>>> even
>>> count anymore. I never know what time signature I am
>>> in unless I consciously
>>> stop to figure it out. It's a waste of my time.
>>> Everything is feel to me
>>> now.
>>>
>>> > for those who do or care how do you keep your
>>> audience
>>> > interested,do you always loop?
>>>
>>> I loop. I try to talk, but I never say what I want
>>> to say. Music is much
>>> easer as
>>> language for me in public. I prefer to play non-stop
>>> and say thank you at
>>> the end of the show.
>>>
>>> > whats the best looping show you´ve been to? what
>>> made
>>> > it so great?
>>>
>>> I really enjoyed watching Jeff Kaiser, Rick Walker,
>>> and Ted Killian
>>> at the Boise Experimental Music Festival.  I liked
>>> it when some folks
>>> were talking in the crowd, and then Jeff started
>>> looping him self
>>> whispering "stop talking".  Classic, I loved it. And
>>> their set was great.
>>> Good chemistry, lots of space and diverse sounds,
>>> etc, etc.
>>>
>>> > What makes you feel free while playing
>>> music?organized
>>> > or improvised?
>>>
>>> Improvised...as free as a person can get, at least,
>>> metaphorically.  I tend
>>> to subscribe
>>> to hard determinism these days...no free will, just
>>> chemistry, neurons,
>>> cause and effect, and necessity. I think I'm
>>> determined to do what I do.
>>> Everything is a result of a cause, ad infinitum.
>>> That would be an
>>> unproveable premise, btw.
>>>
>>> > i know some of this has been brought up in the
>>> past
>>> > perhaps but i think we all could use a
>>> refreshment!
>>> > Luis
>>>
>>> Thanks for asking!
>>>
>>> Kris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > --- tEd ® kiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hehehe, it would be nice to hear from some of the
>>> >> young'ins . . .
>>> >>
>>> >> Some of my favorites went something like:
>>> >>
>>> >> 1. Why do you play (or loop) -- what was the
>>> journey
>>> >> that brought you
>>> >> here?
>>> >>
>>> >> 2.  Where does your music come from -- what
>>> inspires
>>> >> you to create it?
>>> >>
>>> >> 3.  What are some of your  musical influences --
>>> or
>>> >> looping influences
>>> >> -- and why?
>>> >>
>>> >> 4.  What are some of your favorite ways of using
>>> >> your instrument or FX
>>> >> gear in manners other than that it was designed
>>> for?
>>> >>
>>> >> 5. What keeps you going -- sustains you when you
>>> run
>>> >> into a "wall",
>>> >> carries you through when obstacles arise or when
>>> >> you're simply tired,
>>> >> uninspired or "bored" -- or what gets you out of
>>> a
>>> >> musical "rut."
>>> >>
>>> >> Peace,
>>> >>
>>> >> tEd ® kiLLiAn
>>> >>
>>> >> "Different is not always better, but better is
>>> >> always different"
>>> >>
>>> >>   http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
>>> >>   http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
>>> >>   http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
>>> >>   http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>> http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>> http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>> http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?
>>> >>
>>> >> step=view_profile&id=121197000042
>>> >>
>>> >>   Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available
>>> at:
>>> >> Apple iTunes,
>>> >>   BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet,
>>> >> DiscLogic, Napster,
>>> >>   AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents,
>>> >> Etherstream,
>>> >>   RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic,
>>> >> Puretracks,
>>> >>   and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah,
>>> blah.
>>> >> So???
>>> >>
>>> >> On Jul 26, 2006, at 1:30 PM, loop.pool wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > So many people have joined this list in recent
>>> >> years
>>> >> > that it might be fun to revisit some of the
>>> >> classic threads
>>> >> > on creativity,  discussions of philosophy,
>>> >> techniques for improving
>>> >> > live performances, etc.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I know that, personally,  these are always the
>>> >> threads that have
>>> >> > fascinated
>>> >> > me and made me love being on this list.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The oldtimers have weighed in on these subjects
>>> >> but it would be cool
>>> >> > to hear what the newest loopers have to say.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > What were your favorite five threads on this
>>> list
>>>
>> === message truncated ===
>>
>>
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>>
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