Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS

["Paul" <paulrichard10@adelphia.net>]

//Howzabout the Jamman?  DJRND2
or Cycloops?  Used PCM-42?  Boomerang?  EDP's //

Jamman? Kee-rist. How long ago have new ones been available? I bought mine 
back in the stone age. It was good for what it was but can it compare to 
the 
RC-50? Never used a DJRND2 nor Cycloops. Boomerangs have (to my ears) a 
too 
degraded sound quality and is not in the sme league. The new ones planned 
sound good, though. Can you buy a new Repeater? I'd consider buying a used 
one but I really would worry about how long it would function as I 
wouldn't 
know how it was treated in the past. I did have one when they came out as 
well as an EDP. But, both need pedal configurations so they're not $500. 
Fact of the matter is a lot of the loopers you mentioned were (and some 
still are) at various times hard to get. And expensive. Still are. What 
other $500 loopers are out there currently for purchase new? That EH 2880 
dog or whatever it's called?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mech" <mech@m3ch.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: RC-50 FEEDBACK WORKS


> At 1:03 PM -0700 7/19/06, Paul Richards wrote:
>>//Actually, I'd liken it more to a car that doesn't have seats: It'll
>>drive and it'll get you where you need to go, but the ride may not be
>>comfortable. //
>>
>>That's plain silly. Maybe like a car that doesn't have fold-down back 
>>seat.
>
> That's not silly, that's charitable.  To be truthful, for my purposes 
>it's 
> more like a car with no seats, *and* a blown head-gasket: I'm not even 
> sure if it's going to get me where I need to be (and it'll be a darn 
> uncomfortable ride getting there, if at all).
>
> If you're just a coffeehouse guitarist looping a few rhythm chucks over 
> which to lay a solo (and this is nothing against coffeehouse guitarists 
>--  
> there are some damn fine ones out there), then a looper with no feedback 
> is gonna work just fine.
>
> However, if you're using looping for ambient soundscapes, 
>Frippertronics, 
> or anything with continually shifting textures, then the feedback 
>control 
> is absolutely essential.  Otherwise, as Charles mentioned, you're going 
>to 
> end up with layer upon layer upon layer until you've got a huge rolling 
> mess.  The feedback is what allows the older layers to fade away as new 
> material is added upon them.
>
> That's one reason why a lot of us chucked the RC-20's in favor of the 
> DD-20 (of which I have two, BTW).  Although, in true "robbing peter to 
>pay 
> paul fashion", you end up gaining feedback but losing the ability (for 
>the 
> most part) to set loop length on the fly.  Agh!
>
> As I said in my previous message, to each his own.  However, don't 
> minimize the importance of feedback, or insinuate that just because a 
>tool 
> doesn't contain a particular function that it's not a needed function 
>("If 
> we ain't got it, you don't need it").
>
>>Sounds like some folks have a hard-on for Boss/Roland.
>
> Not really.  IMNSHO, Boss/Roland, like many big manufacturers will 
> occasionally put out products which are utterly brilliant, and 
> occasionally products that are utter shite.  On the more irritating 
>side, 
> they also have a tendency to monkey with things incessantly. Sometimes 
> this results in something cool; or sometimes this whacks out an 
>otherwise 
> excellent product (in my case, I'm thinking VG-8 to VG-88, or PS-3 to 
> PS-5, for instance).  Sometimes they *just* miss the mark -- as I feel 
> they did with the RC-50 -- which is what makes it all the more 
>infuriating 
> sometimes.  Sometimes they can be fixed, either by of future update or a 
> third party.  The Blues Driver, for instance, is a great design, but is 
> hampered by Boss' cost-cutting use of cheap crappy components.  Listen 
>to 
> the Keeley-modded BD-2 though, which replaces the stock junk in the box 
> with higher quality components, and it just sings.
>
> After a while, you learn that newer is not necessarily better with Boss, 
> so you merely assess what's in front of you.  Occasionally what they've 
> done is cool.  Occasionally what they've done is completely messed up.
>
> You've got to look at what's actually there, not the stupid name on the 
> box.
>
>>The RC-50 is an amazing product for $500 USD. A few years ago and you'd 
>be 
>>lucky to touch anything with that much capability for 5 big ones.
>
> As pointed out earlier, the Repeater was out a few years ago and I got 
> mine new for less than 5 big ones.  Howzabout the Jamman?  DJRND2 or 
> Cycloops?  Used PCM-42?  Boomerang?  EDP's been around forever, and you 
> could get one for not that much more (eh, don't talk to me 'bout stereo 
> though).  All have their plusses and minuses, but five bills is a good 
> median number and stuff has been coming out around that price/feature 
> point for quite some time.
>
> What I'll give you is that the RC-50 is a major step forward just 
>because 
> it's produced by a major well-known name in pedals, and that by its very 
> nature is going to give looping a big boost.  However, to finally have 
> that and have the product come sooooooo close, but then in the end to 
> *just* miss the mark -- that's what is so frustrating. I guess maybe we 
> just wait for the RC-70 then...?
>
> --m
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>murder... 
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