RE: loop quantization question

["Michael Marsh" <michaelmarsh@san.rr.com>]

Try http://www.codeproject.com/cs/media/MIDIToolkit.asp.  Works like a
champ, but you will have to code a little extra for device messages...

-----Original Message-----
From: aaron leese [mailto:aaronleese@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 3:58 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: loop quantization question


Good to know.

Believe me ... though I want nothing more than to quit my day job and sit 
around playing music all day ... I haven't been expecting to get rich off 
this ..... I still have the job, and really just want a looper that will 
do 
certain things.

The patent is provisional .. no real investment, just wanted it in case.  
Lawyers make me queasy ... and poor to boot.... and I think I could forego 
most any feature if oral sex were added as a plugin somewhere.

Sounds like I need to check out Mobius .... and maybe a few other things 
as 
well.  If Mobius does everything I want then I will probably stop spending 
all my free time fighting with my computer and just use Mobius...

PS - speaking of fighting with computers, does anyone know an easy method 
for reading midi device messages in C# ?  New territory for me ... and I 
really like the idea of user assignable functions for arbitrary midi keys.



>From: "jeff larson" <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com>
>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>Subject: RE: loop quantization question
>Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 11:54:18 -0500
>
> > From: Joshua Carroll
> > I'd recommend checking out the manuals for the EDP and the
> > Looperlative before you deal with the patent office too much.
> > I've dealt with them before, and it can cost you a ton of time
> > and money if you've overlooked
>
>Yes, if you're going to whip out the lawyers, be prepared to have a
>few tens of thousands of dollars laying around (that you can risk
>losing), and set aside one or two years for distraction, anger,
>bitterness, and all those lovely emotions that seem to happen
>whenever lawyers are near ;-)
>
>Look, I'm sure it's obvious by now that I wrote Mobius and it may
>sound like I'm trying to discourage you, but I've been in the software
>business a lot longer than you have and I'm just trying to bring a
>little reality to the discussion.
>
>Maybe the reason you didn't think anyone had done this before is
>because you were looking at the major software vendors: Native
>Instruments, Cakewalk, Steinberg, etc.  and not the "hobbyists" that
>do it because they love it and are happy to get an occasional
>donation.
>
>Maybe the reason that the major software vendors haven't done this is
>because it isn't worth their time?
>
>You've written something really cool, with what appears to be a nice
>clean interface that will be a lot easier to understand and use than
>some of the existing loopers.  I encourage you to develop it, anything
>that makes the world of looping more accessible is fine by me.
>
>How much were you thinking you could make on this?  A million dollars
>(10,000 copies at $100)?  No one makes that on software like this.
>And don't even think of trying to sell this in the $500 range, people
>expect everything short of oral sex from $500 music software.
>
>I've lost interest in trying to measure the size of this market, I can
>only relate my own experience.  Mobius is a relatively popular
>software looper within our little looping community.  I give it away for
>free because I reached a point in my life where I wanted to use my
>talents to support the arts (but that's another long story).
>
>There are about 100 people in my Yahoo group, I estimate that maybe
>half of those are serious users that would be willing to give me a
>donation.  Donations for self-distributed software usually run in the
>$50 to $100 range.  Maybe there are 100 more users that just haven't
>bothered to join the group.  So that's 150 users at $50 for a grand
>total of $7,500.
>
>This is going to sound arrogant, but that isn't a lot of money to most
>professional engineers.  It isn't worth my time to go "commercial" for
>that kind of return because once people start paying you for software,
>they expect a certain level of support and "polish" that I just
>don't need to mess with.
>
>Maybe if I took out some ads in Electronic Musician or Guitar Player I
>could generate more leads.  But I'm simply not willing to risk
>thousands of dollars in advertising on a product that I can barely
>give away for free.
>
>Again I do encourage you to continue developing this.  Who knows,
>maybe you'll have enough energy for promotion to become wildly
>successful.  If so I'll be cheering for you from my little
>corner of the looping world.  But I strongly advise that before
>you start investing thousands of dollars in advertising
>(or legal fees) that you have a really good idea of how large
>your market is, and what they're willing to pay.
>
>Regards,
>Jeff
>

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