RE: JAzz Chorus - was: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp

["William Walker" <billwalker@baymoon.com>]

One mans poison is another mans pudding.
Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net]
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 1:46 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: JAzz Chorus - was: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp


Yes.  The distortion on the Jazz Chorus is strange.  It's all flabby and
rubbery.  It's not a classic sound at all.  And has little recommend it.
It's not the kind of thing people ever use really.   Therefore I like
recording it.  :-)


----- Original Message -----
From: "William Walker" <billwalker@baymoon.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 4:22 PM
Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp


> Well, yes I was being a bit sarcastic. I believe the JC120 came to 
>promise
> fro two reasons,
>  1. It has self contained stereo chorused that at least gives its sterile
> sound a bit of dimension. 2. It is  very dependable and loud, a favorite
of
> cartage and rental services as back line for touring bands.
>  As one who has had to use provided back line amps, I always hope that a
> fender twin is present and its tubes aren't so gassed as to make it sound
> flabby. otherwise I would settle for a jazz chorus, and I never had a
> problem with its clean sound, however, I can't believe that after all
these
> years , Roland has never gotten the clue that the distortion sound on
these
> things is basically useless, not to mention the reverb is pretty tin can
> sounding as well. And this is a company that excels at signal processors.
Go
> figure. I had a mini brute, which I took to Berklee years ago. Ii was a
nice
> warm clean sounding solid state amp, made even louder by the EVM speaker 
>I
> managed to somehow cram in to its little cabinet. Later I had a Pearce G1
> amp, because it actually had a very usable overdrive channel, soon after 
>I
> added a Pearce extension cabinet w/ slave power amp for stereo ,and later
I
> switched to a Pearce preamp running through a boogie power amp. I finally
> abandoned the rack mount amp dance about ten years ago and went back to
tube
> combos for most of my live gigs, and a modeling amp when doing the 
>looping
> thing. I know a lot of great music has been played on these amps, and
> certainly if what you desire is uber clean, the JC120 has few modern
peers,
> but for me, clean tube sounds better than clean solid state, and it feels
> better, though the natural compression of a tube amp can be mimicked with
a
> good compressor (my old Pearce amps had a built in limiter similar to the
> Gibson Lab series amps, which Dan Pearce helped design). If you want
> something like a JC120, but without the back ache, You might try to find 
>a
> used JC77, the discontinued baby brother to the JC120. I found a link on
> EBAY
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/Roland-JC77-Jazz-Chorus-Guitar-Amp-with-Xtras_W0QQitemZ1
> 40000830625QQihZ004QQcategoryZ47094QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>  I have developed a fondness for amps with a two ten speaker
configuration,
> I own a 70's vibrolux reverb, and 60's vox AC10 twin, and as a gigging
> middle aged guy I appreciate the fact that I'm not risking a hernia every
> time I load my amp in my trunk. I also like the tighter bass response the
> tens give, they just seem punchier to me..
> Cheers
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:13 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp
>
>
> Don't worry Mark, I won't sell both of my VF1's! :)   They are amazing
> little boxes.
>
> Bill, what's wrong with the JC120?  I can't tell whether you were making 
>a
> fecicios comment about them or not. Forgive me if you weren't. Some
amazing
> jazz players, like Pat Martino and Mike Stearn, have used those amps.
> Frankly, there really isn't such a thing as a "jazz amp." Jazzers of all
> calibers use what fits their taste...I've seen it all, from solid state
> Polytones, Rolands, and Gibsons, to tube Fenders, Boogies, and Music Man.
> Some guitarists, like McLaughlin, have even bi-passed amps altogether at
> times, plugging directly into processors and then directly into the 
>board.
> The breadth of taste is pretty amazing.
>
> ...I do wish I had my old Polytone Teeny Brute back...I was such an idiot
> for selling that years ago.
>
> Kris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Walker" <billwalker@baymoon.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:00 PM
> Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp
>
>
> > Well Mark I'd be curious as to how you did the JC120 thingy on the
tonelab
> > (and why???? in gods name) and  Actually like most of the stomp box
> > effects
> > on the tonelab allot except, the overdrive and distortion models on the
> > front end; a klon clone, even more exaggerated mid range honk than the
> > original, a tube screamer model , that just doesn't rattle my cage, and
a
> > rat model, zzzzzzzz, among others, though the octavia octave, and ring
> > modulator effects are quite nice. My solution was, until a week ago, to
> > pirate my fulltone fulldrive from my gig rig pedal board, and stick it
in
> > the tonelabs effects loop (which is at the front of the chain). Well
last
> > week I got my new twin tube pedal from Seymour Duncan, and I am just
dumb
> > struck at how good this thing sounds driving the front end of the
tonelab.
> > Since it uses two subminiature tubes running at high plate voltage, it
> > adds
> > tremendous dynamics and dimension not to mention two channels of
anything
> > from clean boost with a hint of extra fatness, to very saturated, yet
> > smooth
> > and singing overdrive, all with great touch sensitivity. I just
submitted
> > a
> > review to Harmony Central, in which I shamelessly gushed about how good
it
> > sounds. Since I like many of the delay and modulation presets on the
tone
> > lab, and I'm not a big flange or chorus guy,  I was just searching for 
>a
> > more natural sounding overdrive to compliment the tweed, black face,
early
> > marshall, and vox models I tend to use, and boy does this puppy fit the
> > bill.
> > Bill
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:11 AM
> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> > Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp
> >
> >
> > --- William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Mark has a point,
> >
> > I thought you couldn't notice it with my hair style!
> >
> >
> >> Do take
> >> note that the vox people did not see fit to model a
> >> transistor amp, not jazz
> >> chorus model ala line 6. So if that is your mind set
> >> maybe the vox ain't for
> >> you.
> >
> > Wait!  There's MORE!  I did find a way to get a good
> > JC120 sound out of the Tonelab!  I forget how now...
> > I'll check tonight and let you know.  I know the key
> > was leaving out either the amp modeling stage or cab
> > modeling stage.  Also, I found I got better results
> > when I use the VF-1's stereo chorus (which I know Kris
> > has a couple of)
> >
> > I have to say that as much as I like some of the
> > stompbox models of the Tonelab, when I'm in the studio
> > I ditch them in favor of the VF-1's which I feel are
> > really great (and MIDI syncable which the tonelab
> > sadly isn't)  Don't sell them Kris, you'll be sad.
> > Also I found they're one of the best processor out
> > there for putting distortion on keyboard sounds
> > (though not for guitar)
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > Mark
> >
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