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Re: Advice sought - unbroken, seamless loops

He employed the same trick here in Oakland Sunday night w/an electric 
guitar and selected single notes during the guitar solo/intro to Shine 
on you crazy Diamond....
On Monday, April 17, 2006, at 08:55  PM, tEd  kiLLiAn wrote:

> Hi there,
> I am gonna step out on a limb here, first because I have the concert 
> of the show that you are referencing and secondly because I've been
> backstage at a Pink Floyd show and and think I know a little about how
> Gilmour does things -- and at least have a tiny clue as to how it 
> might've
> been done. Take this with a grain of salt though, it's only an 
> educated guess.
> Though David Gilmour does do a tiny little bit of looping from time to 
> time,
> if you are referring to the opening song on the Meltdown DVD where he
> is strumming his Taylor acoustic, then moves a pedal forward and back 
> to
> get this "synth" sounding chordal swell that just simply develops and 
> hangs
> there decaying very, very, VERY slowly over several seconds it's 
> actually
> not a "looping" trick, per se. It's done with a AUX signal line that 
> goes to
> a processor developing  harmonized reverb with a just sort of near 
> infinite
> decay setting.
> This way he plays a few licks on his guitar, lets a chord or note hang 
> there a
> brief second, while he moves the treadle forward sending some signal 
> to the
> processor in question (which is set for 100% wet). This creates this 
> little
> chordal "cloud" of reverb that just hangs there for 30  to 40 seconds. 
> He
> then moves the treadle back while it's still hanging there and 
> continues
> playing a few licks of straight guitar over it while the "chord" hangs 
> there.
> Harmonized reverb is one of my favorite ways of making pad-like faux
> synth sounds. It's possible that I could be wrong about what Gilmour 
> is doing.
> But I'm pretty sure I'm not. If you watch what he's doing, and listen 
> carefully
> to the sound that he's creating with just an acoustic I believe it's 
> pretty
> evident.
> Ted Killian
> .
> On Apr 17, 2006, at 4:33 PM, William White wrote:
>> 'm a guitarist, and have been trying to recreate a looping/delay 
>> effect I saw David Gilmour (Pink Floyd) employ at his Meltdown 
>> performance in 2001.
>> In essence, I'm trying to find a device that will loop a chord 
>> seamlessly - i.e. will eliminate the "click" sound one normally hears 
>> when one uses most digital delay pedals such as the Boss DD-3 to loop 
>> a chord. The purpose of this is to create a synthesizer-like effect 
>> using a guitar with one simple chordstroke. Gilmour uses a Roland 
>> SDE-3000 for this purpose, although it's not clear to me whether he 
>> actually loops the chord or uses some delay effect, and the it is 
>> hard to find reliable information on the Roland.
>> My guess is that the sort of device I have in mind would have to fade 
>> in the beginning of the loop during the final seconds (or 
>> milliseconds) of the loop (and possibly fade the loop out at the same 
>> time). I have not yet managed to find a pedal which actually claims 
>> to be able to do this, and would be very grateful for any advice.
>> Thanks in advance!