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Re: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity

well said Mech!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mech" <mech@m3ch.net>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity

> Well, quick reality check here (and not to take anything away from
> Bernhard's idea), but let's also give credit where credit is due:
> there are a huge number of innovative, responsible, and friendly
> developers who DO listen patiently to our incoherent (and
> occasionally insane) rantings here in this community, then take those
> suggestions back and use them to improve their products.  Just to
> name a few: Kim Flint and Matthias Grob (not to mention Andy Butler)
> who developed the software running the EDP; Jeff Larson, developer of
> the Mobius VST; Os, creator of Augustus Loop; Sooperlooper's
> architect, Jesse Chappell; Bob Amstadt is not only active and
> listening here, but is using two longstanding members -- Steve Lawson
> and Rick Walker -- as the sole alpha testers on his new Looperlative
> device.
> While the Electrixpro guys aren't on LD, their R&D team actively
> solicited user feedback from the Repeater list -- which includes a
> whole lot of LD members -- for the feature set of the upcoming (yes,
> I'm still optimistic) Repeater Mk2.  Similarly, individuals like Per
> Boysen and Douglas Baldwin regularly pen gear reviews that take our
> concerns back up to the exec staff of many music corporations.
> And Gods, I must be forgetting at least a dozen other individuals who
> are here, listening, and developing products based on our feedback
> (sorry guys -- please blame it on my swiss-cheese memory, rather than
> any concerted effort to exclude anyone).
> I agree that there are companies out there that never pay any
> attention to the explicit needs of their user base, then promote
> crappy products out into the marketplace.  I do NOT want to let them
> off the hook.
> But at the same time, let's give some recognition to the folks out
> there who *are* listening.  The ones who take the suggestions we're
> giving them, then use that feedback to come out with new and exciting
> tools for us to use, abuse, and take our music into wonderful and
> previously undreamt of directions.
> Thanks a lot, fellas.  We may gripe a lot, but we really do
> appreciate your efforts...
> --m.
> At 12:54 PM -0700 12/29/05, Todd Howell wrote:
> >Though I am somewhat of a novice looper, I find Bernhard's idea an
> >intriguing one. I may be a bit of a Pollyanna on such matters, but
> >perhaps a collective missive from the looping community and many of
> >it's well respected elder statesmen, such as the esteemed members of
> >this list may well be an idea that's time has come. With chip prices
> >seemingly becoming more afordable, perhaps it is an idea. How many
> >manufacturer's get their marketing  research done for them? Thoughts?
> >
> >Todd Howell
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Bernhard Wagner LD <loopdelightml@nosuch.biz>
> >>Sent: Dec 29, 2005 3:21 AM
> >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >>Subject: RE: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity
> >>
> >>This gives me an idea:
> >>Why don't we publish an open letter on the LD website specifically for
> >>manufacturers describing these required fundamental features. Along 
> >>frustration that the knowledge has been around for so long and still
> >>get incorporated in new products.
> >>
> >>Bernhard
> >>
> >>>  -----Original Message-----
> >>>  From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]
> >>>  Sent: Donnerstag, 29. Dezember 2005 03:40
> >>>  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >>>  Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme
> >>>
> >>>  After years and years of discussion on desireable features for
> >>>  devices, it's frustrating to see that publically available
> >>>  go seemingly unheeded by manufacturers.  One can produce "something
> >>>  worth listening to" with any bit of gear, but imagine if stereo
> >>>  manufacturers kept trying to sell you something with only two volume
> >>>  settings--"off" and "on".  Once you'd seen a stereo with a volume
> >>>  control, one without that feature just seems silly, even though you
> >>>  could listen to music on it and put a towel or two over the speaker
> >  >> make it quieter.
> >>>
> >>
> >>