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RE: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity

Well, quick reality check here (and not to take anything away from 
Bernhard's idea), but let's also give credit where credit is due: 
there are a huge number of innovative, responsible, and friendly 
developers who DO listen patiently to our incoherent (and 
occasionally insane) rantings here in this community, then take those 
suggestions back and use them to improve their products.  Just to 
name a few: Kim Flint and Matthias Grob (not to mention Andy Butler) 
who developed the software running the EDP; Jeff Larson, developer of 
the Mobius VST; Os, creator of Augustus Loop; Sooperlooper's 
architect, Jesse Chappell; Bob Amstadt is not only active and 
listening here, but is using two longstanding members -- Steve Lawson 
and Rick Walker -- as the sole alpha testers on his new Looperlative 

While the Electrixpro guys aren't on LD, their R&D team actively 
solicited user feedback from the Repeater list -- which includes a 
whole lot of LD members -- for the feature set of the upcoming (yes, 
I'm still optimistic) Repeater Mk2.  Similarly, individuals like Per 
Boysen and Douglas Baldwin regularly pen gear reviews that take our 
concerns back up to the exec staff of many music corporations.

And Gods, I must be forgetting at least a dozen other individuals who 
are here, listening, and developing products based on our feedback 
(sorry guys -- please blame it on my swiss-cheese memory, rather than 
any concerted effort to exclude anyone).

I agree that there are companies out there that never pay any 
attention to the explicit needs of their user base, then promote 
crappy products out into the marketplace.  I do NOT want to let them 
off the hook.

But at the same time, let's give some recognition to the folks out 
there who *are* listening.  The ones who take the suggestions we're 
giving them, then use that feedback to come out with new and exciting 
tools for us to use, abuse, and take our music into wonderful and 
previously undreamt of directions.

Thanks a lot, fellas.  We may gripe a lot, but we really do 
appreciate your efforts...


At 12:54 PM -0700 12/29/05, Todd Howell wrote:
>Though I am somewhat of a novice looper, I find Bernhard's idea an 
>intriguing one. I may be a bit of a Pollyanna on such matters, but 
>perhaps a collective missive from the looping community and many of 
>it's well respected elder statesmen, such as the esteemed members of 
>this list may well be an idea that's time has come. With chip prices 
>seemingly becoming more afordable, perhaps it is an idea. How many 
>manufacturer's get their marketing  research done for them? Thoughts?
>Todd Howell
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Bernhard Wagner LD <loopdelightml@nosuch.biz>
>>Sent: Dec 29, 2005 3:21 AM
>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Subject: RE: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity
>>This gives me an idea:
>>Why don't we publish an open letter on the LD website specifically for
>>manufacturers describing these required fundamental features. Along with 
>>frustration that the knowledge has been around for so long and still 
>>get incorporated in new products.
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]
>>>  Sent: Donnerstag, 29. Dezember 2005 03:40
>>>  To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>>  Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman vs Boss Loopstation vs Extreme Negativity
>>>  After years and years of discussion on desireable features for looping
>>>  devices, it's frustrating to see that publically available information
>>>  go seemingly unheeded by manufacturers.  One can produce "something
>>>  worth listening to" with any bit of gear, but imagine if stereo
>>>  manufacturers kept trying to sell you something with only two volume
>>>  settings--"off" and "on".  Once you'd seen a stereo with a volume
>>>  control, one without that feature just seems silly, even though you
>>>  could listen to music on it and put a towel or two over the speaker to
>  >> make it quieter.