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> Per Boysen wrote: >> Well, I'm not that sure I could be to much help. Do you have any >> specific questions regarding Live 4? If so, please post them and we >> can have a discussion! On Mar 28, 2005, at 22:20, Jeff Larson wrote: > > This isn't really related to the original post, but since we're > talking about Live I have a question regarding "1st loop capability". 8< 8< 8< 8< 8< > I remember reading on this list several months ago that there was a > fundamental problem with plugins being a sync master for Live 8< 8< 8< 8< Hi, There is a thread for wishing better performance from Live on these matters at the *Ableton forum: http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11557 Personally I don't have a problem with Live catching up slowly. Maybe because I have been using a Repeater slaved to an EDP? The Repeater constantly struggling to catch up the new tempi. I have to say I acutally liked the sound of the two loopers going in and out of perfect sync. To my own taste Live is almost too fast to catch up, I can never get that slooow phase of speeding up or slowing down to reach the tempo of the other looper. So that's why I nowadays tend to run Live as the sync master and slaving the EDP (but also because I like to go Half/Double tempo in the EDP without having the entire "wall of sound" bending over). But I do see your point! The 1st loop functionality is really powerful when performing live. You can simply start playing and off you go. Never have to think about tempo, it's all about the music. This I have only experienced with the EDP as sync master and a slaved Repeater. When looping together with other musicians I still find the EDP the best way of syncing, because you can always sync manually by redefining the loop length on-the-fly (multiply-rec, re-rec etc). With Live 4 as master I have to keep a pedal mapped to the Tap Tempo function and I find this a little more troublesome than the EDP "destructive" method. BTW I suspect this discussion about software looping also is biased by everyones different tastes in music making with loopers. When it comes to creating music with chord changeds there are two different approaches in live looping: 1) There is one technique in live looping where you play melodies and chord changes into a long loop and than overdub layers. To me Matthias Grob is a very good example of doing this very well on the EDP. You can build music in the classic "Tubular Bells" (Mike Oldsfield) way. Then do a destructive cut-out of a segment of the long piece you have looping and start building again from that seed. The option for using this technique I do miss a loot in software looping (yes, got SooperLooer, but the Jack 6.1 is only working on my big G5 and not on my PowerBook with an Echo i/o card). 2) Another technique, especially well suited for the software available today, is to record shorter loops in parallel and use midi pedals to transpose the loops to match chord changes on-the-fly. For doing it this way, I have gravitated towards using Augustus Loop in Live 4. I'm afraid I don't know about any looping plug-in for Windows that can be transposed while looping/recording/overdubbing. An eventual "drawback" (but again, this all depends on your musical tastes) is that the loops is getting shorter when transposed to higher pitches and vice versa. I kind of try to adapt to that musically, but I admit I miss the option of also playing like "alt 1" (above) in software. So "a fix" to stay clear of too radical poly rhythm, has been to create midi clips in Live (controlled from midi pedals) that induce a soft beat synced tremolo to the loops. If the looping is getting too "washy" I can steer it up by slapping a tremolo on one of the loops (or both). Here's an audio clip example of that Powerbook/ Live4 / 2 Augustus Loop set-up: http://www.looproom.com/Future_Leadership_Hits/flute_livelooping.mp3 Musolomo for OS X is said to be able to overdub loops as well as time stretch the length, but I have not been able to get it working for me. It seems you need to send a midi note to trigger the loop (like in pHATmatic PRO) and I have not taken the time to set up an environment for that in Live (but I guess it would be possible to do). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen --- http://www.looproom.com (international) http://www.boysen.se (Swedish site) http://www.cdbaby.com/perboysen