I sometimes fade out, but I don't think that is a particular creative way to end a song, unless I'm morphing immediately into my second song. I like to pick the intro theme that I started with or some other melodic theme that occurs throughout the song, hit the mute button, and end with that single part in time. It brings the listener back full circle and closes the loop. Two of my looping music videos illistrate this: Slipstream and Quiddity. http://zed.cbc.ca/go.ZeD?POS=6&CONTENT_ID=189906&FILTER_KEY=169444&page= content (main page) http://static.zed.cbc.ca/users/k/khartung/files/Krispen_Hartung_-_Slipst ream2.wmv http://static.zed.cbc.ca/users/k/khartung/files/Krispen_Hartung_-_Quiddi ty.wmv Kris -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 11:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ending ambient pieces when playing LIVE shows I'm curious to hear ideas and techniques people have used (or stopped using) to end an ambient piece of music at a live show.