Re: looping and using monitors

["L. Angulo" <labalou2000@yahoo.com>]

Thanx Rick!
yes ive been in fact hitting the guitar body while
using pitch shifter to get a tabla sound which works
ok.But the canjira is so versatile i wet the skin a
little bit and pressing the skin while playing it i
can get tabla ,conga talking drum sounds is just a
great compact hand drum!
My conga player also uses a very tiny cymbal because
he plays timbales as well attatched to his congas so i
might check them out.
cheer bro
luis




--- "loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

> Luis Angulo wrote:
> "I am having fun doing this thing lately last night
> i
> played in konstanz laying layers of rhythms i also
> graved an old cookie tray from the bar for a snare
> sound(a la ricko suave) with different instruments
> and
> then playing guitar on top with really low open
> tunigs
> fro a bassier sound,i did a version of "Walk on the
> wild side" man you should have seen the peoples
> faces
> bro!a girl kept coming up every 5 min. trying to see
> what was behind the monitor and how i was doing it
> and
> i just cracked up:-))then i went on to explain how i
> was doing it and people seem fascinated by it."
> 
> Wow, what a wonderful gig it sounds like, Luis.   
> This is one of those 
> times that I wish I had a lost rich uncle to leave
> me a million
> bucks so I could just drop everything and jet in and
> play with you as a duo 
> at your next gig in Konstanz (for those of you
> unfamiliar with it, Konstanz 
> is one of the most beautiful towns in Southern
> Germany...........truly 
> beautiful and untouched by World War 11's bombings,
> but that's another 
> longer story).
> 
> "I am doing congas with a small kanjira it sounds
> great but
> i want to get a good hand snare drum and maybe a
> small
> cymbal, what can you recomend me as a drummer?"
> 
> Evans, by the way, puts out a portable conga that is
> just a head on a rim. 
> It sounds fantastic as a conga and is so low profile
> that it's easy to
> throw it into the back of a rack case or guitar bag.
>     Another trick I use 
> is to use a piece of enclosed tupperware with a
> pitch shifter.  You can
> layer several 'conga' parts really quickly just by
> switching the pitch of 
> the pitch shifter---I use the cheesy and wonderful
> Vocal 300 by Digitech).
> 
> Viz a vis a snare drum there are several cool
> simulations you can use short 
> of actually buying a snare drum (which can be bulky
> to carry).
> One I love is to take a string of really large fake
> pearls (I use dagylo 
> lime green ones but that's just me.......lol) and
> put them inside of a small
> frisbee that is made of the more brittle kind of
> plastic (as opposed to more 
> rubbery plastic).   With both hands, throw the beads
> in the air and catch 
> them in the frisbee (turned upside down) and ,
> VOILA!!!!!,  a great trashy, 
> white noise hip hop snare sound............again
> with a pitch shifter you 
> can run the gamut with such a thing.     Any kind of
> material strung up: 
> beads, rattles,  metal beads,  chain of different
> thicknesses, etc.
> when thrown on wood or metal or plastic objects will
> cause a 'snarey' kind 
> of sound.
> 
> Otherwise,  I bought an 8" 1970's fiberglass pearl
> drum and put piccolo 
> snare hardware on it;  bought 8" snare heads (custom
> ordered) and
> drilled out the bottom rim to accomodate the snare
> strands and have a 
> wonderful lo profile rap snare that can sound like
> heavy metal when tuned 
> down and played through a pitch shifter (are you
> getting how much I depend 
> on my vocal 300?).
> 
> Cymbals are more problematic because they take up so
> much territory and they 
> can be quite costly.
> One thing to be on the lookout for is really cheap
> used (and sometimes 
> terrible sounding cymbals),  particularly cymbals
> that were designed for
> small children's toy drum kits.   With some simple
> DSP processing, some of 
> these cymbals can really come alive in a looping
> situation.
> You can play them on the bell with the tip of a drum
> stick or the body or 
> you can hit the side of the cymbal with the middle
> of the drumstick
> to create really different textures.
> 
> The beauty of looping is that you can take a really
> cheesy inexpensive kids 
> cymbal (even a broken one discarded and sold for
> very little at a flea 
> market) and do one loop of one technique,  layer a
> second loop of a second 
> technique, etc. and come up with a fascinating and
> quite idiosyncratic 
> rhythm track.
> One thing I love to do along these lines with my
> Repeater is to mallet a 
> cymbal continuously on one of my loops and then
> take the volume down to nothing on that track.    
> Using the volume on the 
> Repeater with my left hand and keeping my right hand
> on the mute button on 
> the returned channel on the mixer you can swell the
> volume up and mute it 
> own the downbeat to create really cool and
> controllable
> backwards cymbal sounds.   You can also take all the
> bass off the channel 
> and boost the treble when doing this to get a
> SHHHHHHHH sound and then immediately pump the bass
> and boost the midrange to 
> get a SHHHHUUUUUUUUUSHHHHHH sound.
> This is a fun trick during 'breakdowns' in a track.
> 
> Also, lot's of metal objects can easily double for
> cymbal or bell sounds. 
> Stainless Steel mixing bowls make awesome gong and
> sound fantastic when 
> reversed, especially if you've hit the edge of the
> bowl hard with your thumb 
> or a mallet or stick.
> If you take wire wisks, they frequently have hollow
> stainless steel handles 
> which if hit with another metal object sounds very
> much like a triangle
> which you can then dampen at will.    Again,  this
> shit sounds fantastic 
> reversed.
> 
> Add different modulation effects and other DSP
> processing and you can have a 
> universe with a bunch of kitchen utensils that all
> fit in one stainless 
> steel mixing bowl.       You should have hear the
> fantastic German frame 
> drummer,  David Kuchermann and I playing steel
> mixing bowls as we walked 
> around the poor parts of Nashville looking for junk
> shops to buy instruments 
> in.  It was really beautiful!
> 
> Okay,   now the ringing of acoustic multiple loops.
> 
> I use the AKG C1000s with the hyper-hyper cartiod
> plastic focuser it comes 
> with.  It sounds fantastic but as long as there is
> open air monitoring you 
> will get bleed.
> I think the solution is threefold:
> 
> 1) don't use many acoustic loops and make sure you
> do your drum looping 
> first........this is crucial so as not to bring in
> your guitar/bass/key 
> sounds into the bleed into the mix
> or
> 2)  buy radio shack wireless headphones for $70 USD
> and elimnate all your 
> other onstage monitoring
> 3) buy costly in ear monitors.
> 
> When I can't use my wireless headphones, I just keep
> my overdubs to a 
> minimum.
> 
> I hope this helps.  Wish I could have seen you play,
> buddy.   Hasta la 
> looping, Carnal!
> 
> rick
> 
> 
> 
> ps   the handsonic is really cool, but it lacks
> viscerality for my purposes 
> and people get more joy out of watching you play
> physical objects.
> Tell that to looper Tom Roady, though, who does mind
> bogglingly beautiful 
> things with his Handsonic drums and Zendrums. 
> 
> 


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