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Re: looping and using monitors
yes ive been in fact hitting the guitar body while
using pitch shifter to get a tabla sound which works
ok.But the canjira is so versatile i wet the skin a
little bit and pressing the skin while playing it i
can get tabla ,conga talking drum sounds is just a
great compact hand drum!
My conga player also uses a very tiny cymbal because
he plays timbales as well attatched to his congas so i
might check them out.
--- "loop.pool" <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> Luis Angulo wrote:
> "I am having fun doing this thing lately last night
> played in konstanz laying layers of rhythms i also
> graved an old cookie tray from the bar for a snare
> sound(a la ricko suave) with different instruments
> then playing guitar on top with really low open
> fro a bassier sound,i did a version of "Walk on the
> wild side" man you should have seen the peoples
> bro!a girl kept coming up every 5 min. trying to see
> what was behind the monitor and how i was doing it
> i just cracked up:-))then i went on to explain how i
> was doing it and people seem fascinated by it."
> Wow, what a wonderful gig it sounds like, Luis.
> This is one of those
> times that I wish I had a lost rich uncle to leave
> me a million
> bucks so I could just drop everything and jet in and
> play with you as a duo
> at your next gig in Konstanz (for those of you
> unfamiliar with it, Konstanz
> is one of the most beautiful towns in Southern
> beautiful and untouched by World War 11's bombings,
> but that's another
> longer story).
> "I am doing congas with a small kanjira it sounds
> great but
> i want to get a good hand snare drum and maybe a
> cymbal, what can you recomend me as a drummer?"
> Evans, by the way, puts out a portable conga that is
> just a head on a rim.
> It sounds fantastic as a conga and is so low profile
> that it's easy to
> throw it into the back of a rack case or guitar bag.
> Another trick I use
> is to use a piece of enclosed tupperware with a
> pitch shifter. You can
> layer several 'conga' parts really quickly just by
> switching the pitch of
> the pitch shifter---I use the cheesy and wonderful
> Vocal 300 by Digitech).
> Viz a vis a snare drum there are several cool
> simulations you can use short
> of actually buying a snare drum (which can be bulky
> to carry).
> One I love is to take a string of really large fake
> pearls (I use dagylo
> lime green ones but that's just me.......lol) and
> put them inside of a small
> frisbee that is made of the more brittle kind of
> plastic (as opposed to more
> rubbery plastic). With both hands, throw the beads
> in the air and catch
> them in the frisbee (turned upside down) and ,
> VOILA!!!!!, a great trashy,
> white noise hip hop snare sound............again
> with a pitch shifter you
> can run the gamut with such a thing. Any kind of
> material strung up:
> beads, rattles, metal beads, chain of different
> thicknesses, etc.
> when thrown on wood or metal or plastic objects will
> cause a 'snarey' kind
> of sound.
> Otherwise, I bought an 8" 1970's fiberglass pearl
> drum and put piccolo
> snare hardware on it; bought 8" snare heads (custom
> ordered) and
> drilled out the bottom rim to accomodate the snare
> strands and have a
> wonderful lo profile rap snare that can sound like
> heavy metal when tuned
> down and played through a pitch shifter (are you
> getting how much I depend
> on my vocal 300?).
> Cymbals are more problematic because they take up so
> much territory and they
> can be quite costly.
> One thing to be on the lookout for is really cheap
> used (and sometimes
> terrible sounding cymbals), particularly cymbals
> that were designed for
> small children's toy drum kits. With some simple
> DSP processing, some of
> these cymbals can really come alive in a looping
> You can play them on the bell with the tip of a drum
> stick or the body or
> you can hit the side of the cymbal with the middle
> of the drumstick
> to create really different textures.
> The beauty of looping is that you can take a really
> cheesy inexpensive kids
> cymbal (even a broken one discarded and sold for
> very little at a flea
> market) and do one loop of one technique, layer a
> second loop of a second
> technique, etc. and come up with a fascinating and
> quite idiosyncratic
> rhythm track.
> One thing I love to do along these lines with my
> Repeater is to mallet a
> cymbal continuously on one of my loops and then
> take the volume down to nothing on that track.
> Using the volume on the
> Repeater with my left hand and keeping my right hand
> on the mute button on
> the returned channel on the mixer you can swell the
> volume up and mute it
> own the downbeat to create really cool and
> backwards cymbal sounds. You can also take all the
> bass off the channel
> and boost the treble when doing this to get a
> SHHHHHHHH sound and then immediately pump the bass
> and boost the midrange to
> get a SHHHHUUUUUUUUUSHHHHHH sound.
> This is a fun trick during 'breakdowns' in a track.
> Also, lot's of metal objects can easily double for
> cymbal or bell sounds.
> Stainless Steel mixing bowls make awesome gong and
> sound fantastic when
> reversed, especially if you've hit the edge of the
> bowl hard with your thumb
> or a mallet or stick.
> If you take wire wisks, they frequently have hollow
> stainless steel handles
> which if hit with another metal object sounds very
> much like a triangle
> which you can then dampen at will. Again, this
> shit sounds fantastic
> Add different modulation effects and other DSP
> processing and you can have a
> universe with a bunch of kitchen utensils that all
> fit in one stainless
> steel mixing bowl. You should have hear the
> fantastic German frame
> drummer, David Kuchermann and I playing steel
> mixing bowls as we walked
> around the poor parts of Nashville looking for junk
> shops to buy instruments
> in. It was really beautiful!
> Okay, now the ringing of acoustic multiple loops.
> I use the AKG C1000s with the hyper-hyper cartiod
> plastic focuser it comes
> with. It sounds fantastic but as long as there is
> open air monitoring you
> will get bleed.
> I think the solution is threefold:
> 1) don't use many acoustic loops and make sure you
> do your drum looping
> first........this is crucial so as not to bring in
> your guitar/bass/key
> sounds into the bleed into the mix
> 2) buy radio shack wireless headphones for $70 USD
> and elimnate all your
> other onstage monitoring
> 3) buy costly in ear monitors.
> When I can't use my wireless headphones, I just keep
> my overdubs to a
> I hope this helps. Wish I could have seen you play,
> buddy. Hasta la
> looping, Carnal!
> ps the handsonic is really cool, but it lacks
> viscerality for my purposes
> and people get more joy out of watching you play
> physical objects.
> Tell that to looper Tom Roady, though, who does mind
> bogglingly beautiful
> things with his Handsonic drums and Zendrums.
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