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Re: Looping with other musicians

On Oct 13, 2004, at 7:50 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote:

> Perhaps I missed it, but what exactly are you having problems with 
> regarding the EDP?  Between the manual, the online FAQs and knowledge 
> base here, I think there's a ready answer to most questions.

My problem is the free association and lack of organization of the 
thing.  The language is secondary but it is a bit idiosyncratic of an 
artist which makes Kim more respectable to me but not while I'm reading 
the manual.
> Personally, I think the manual's pretty good.  It's a difficult 
> machine to write a manual for because there's not one "right" way to 
> use the EDP, so the "Here's how to do the basics section, now here's a 
> list of all the functions--have fun" approach worked about as well as 
> I could hope.  It's so deep that there's no way anyone's expected to 
> buy one, read the manual from front to back and then understand 
> everything.  It takes, literally, years to discover all the 
> combinations of everything and what that implies musically.  The EDP 
> is more like a musical instrument than a conventional rack-mounted 
> effects unit in that respect.  The good news is that you don't have to 
> know more than about 1% of what it can do to get rolling.

Yes, I understand that.  I also understand, and I've known this for a 
long time, that the more canned the more dried of blood and guts.  
That's my main area of inquiry into the whole looping thing.  What is 
we're looking for as looping artists?  I've used terms like 
masturbation and self aggrandizing and lumping myself into those 
descriptions when I consider looping but I am an adult and use language 
that may be a bit unnerving to those who are following some kind of 
holy writ of looping that may unconsciously exist.

All I can say is that this is an extremely stimulating group of people 
I'm meeting, coming from the classical guitar area, I am relieved to 
talk to musicians and artists that have a forward vision of music and 
sound world that is mostly lacking in the classical guitar.

Irreverence is just a personal characteristic of mine and perhaps my 
generation.  I use irreverent language but revere creativity and 
artistic honesty which I saw in abundance at the Y2K4 on past Sunday.
> TravisH
> On Oct 13, 2004, at 7:36 AM, Larry Cooperman wrote:
>> hard for me to say, I'm new to it and the manual is the bane of my 
>> existence with the machines.
Larry Cooperman
New Millennium Guitar