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Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for looping)

I had one of those Moog delays.  It was 100% analog but the signal and 
repeats were clean as a whistle!  If you drove it to self-oscillate it 
would and the tone could almost become like that of an analog 
synthesizer (which I guess it sort of was as it was an analog circuit 
driven to oscillate) and you could change the pitch with the time knob. 
  You could get a lot of clean repeats out of that baby, and you could 
control most of the controls with a foot pedal.  No tap tempo though, 
no looping, and very expensive.  If I remember correctly I sold it for 
more than I bought it for.

On another note, you sound like you should check out mancolooper's as 
of yet unreleased latest creation.  He said he is going to call it the 
nanosampler, as opposed to his nanolooper.  He told me it's in the 
works and will do looping, tap-tempo, self-oscillation with pitch 
shifting with the time knob, overdubbing, and make you breakfast in 
bed.  He's not 100% sure about that last feature, but I'm hoping he 
will include it.  ;0)  It could be just the pedal that many folks are 
looking for.  I can't wait until he posts info on his sight.

On Jun 19, 2004, at 12:12 AM, the toy room wrote:

> From Mark S.
> If you assign "HOLD DLY" to the CONTROL pedal, you'll be able to hold
> the delay
> sound.
> [1] "TIME" 1-8000 [ms] Sets the delay time.
> [2] "FEEDBACK" 0.0-10.0 * Adjusts the amount of feedback.
> [3] "TONE" 1.0-10.0 * Adjusts the tone of the delay sound.
> [6] "MIX" 0.0-10.0 * Adjusts the mix amount of the delay sound.
> CONTROL pedal: HOLD DLY: If you select "HOLD DLY" for the CONTROL
> pedal, the delay sound will be held from the
> moment you turn the pedal on.
> What the manual doesn't say is that when you change delay times it
> behaves like the old Digitech PDS8000 and old analog delay pedals where
> you get all sorts of warping during the change.  That makes for some
> fun effects.
> From Me:
> Well, with my curiosity sparked by Mark's input on the Vox Tonelab SE, 
> I
> trotted over to Guitar Center tonight to give it a whirl, with my 
> guitar
> and my headphones packed into the trunk just in case.  They only had 
> the
> desktop Tonelab out on display, so I tried that, assuming that the 
> units
> would be the same.  They don't seem to be, following closer inspection.
> After two sets of malfunctioning headphones, I asked the salesman if he
> could actually bring out an SE and if I could grab my guitar and
> headphones.  Ahhhh...much better.
> I am going to have to disagree with Mark's assessment that the 'hold
> delay' on the Vox Tonelab is similar to the PDS-8000.  As for the sheer
> mechanics of getting the hold delay, I am sure I would need to work on
> it a bit more.  I didn't have the manual as well.  I was able to get it
> into 100% feedback mode, but couldn't figure out how to be playing more
> material over the top without it going into the delay line.  Perhaps
> Mark would confirm whether this is possible.
> As for the 'time' adjustment.  This was where I was most disappointed.
> The movement of the time knob during the hold delay was totally 
> digital,
> glitchy and useless sounding...making the time transitions of a DL4 (or
> even better an Echo Pro) sound totally organic.  Now that's a little
> sarcasm there, because adjusting the time knob on a DL4 is a dose of
> reality that you are dealing with a SOFTWARE SIMULATION of a real
> circuit.  As I said before, the Echo Pro is significantly better,
> because if its infinite rotating time knob, which allows for slower and
> more controlled transitions.
> On the Tonelab, it hiccupped almost immediately and created very
> unmusical effects.  Nothing like the wonderful sound washes you can get
> with a closed loop of a PDS-8000.  Also, with the PDS, you can turn the
> time knob down to the slowest, creating a rumbling chaos, then 'reopen'
> the delay line and place clean new material on top.  Can you do this
> with the Tonelab?  Since I couldn't figure out how to actually close 
> off
> the input to the delay line, I couldn't really get that far anyway.
> Sorry for the long winded post.  I guess I'm still looking for a delay
> with the modern bells and whistles and sound fidelity, but that feels
> 'real'.  I'm beginning to run out of the current 'modelled' options and
> may just revert back to an analog delay and live with the noise and
> limited features/delay time.  The Maxon AD-999 has piqued my interest,
> as well as the EH Deluxe Memory Man.
> Maybe I should have bought one of Bob Moog's delays a few years ago 
> when
> I had the chance.  Hehe...
> Anybody have any direct experience with the EH Memory Man or the Maxon?
> Best,
> Rich
> www.asopaque.com