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Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for looping)

Interesting.  Thanks!

On Jun 19, 2004, at 12:06 AM, Shane Whitbread wrote:

> I can get it to oscillate, pitch shift, spit out random crap....But i 
> have a
> entire board of analog and digital delays that do all that stuff(Ibanez
> DDL10 tweaked, diigtech PDS20/20 tweaked, PSK analog delay, boss DM-2,
> Ibanez DE7, and soon a modded DD-3 and PB&J), so I use it as a looper 
> and a
> special effects/traditional delay pedal.
> Spend a hour with it if you can, 20 minutes getting used to the 
> sounds, and
> then start to mess with it with a knowledge of it's limitations(or 
> what you,
> at that point think the limitations are).  It is a very deep pedal.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DJ" <dhjohnson@mindspring.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 11:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for
> looping)
>> Does it really?  Real self-oscillation?  You can change the pitch with
>> the time knob?  If that's so then... WOW!  I'll have to check that 
>> out,
>> as that would make it quite a unit.  I could swear I read that I would
>> not self-oscillate, but I could easily be wrong about this.  If I keep
>> the pedal board instead of the tonelab then I might have to check this
>> out.  Thanks!
>> On Jun 18, 2004, at 11:37 PM, Shane Whitbread wrote:
>>> the boss DD-20 does tap and oscillation as well.  Probably the best
>>> delay
>>> pedal on the market today......
>>> Also, count this as a bump....I too wanna know if they ocsillate or
>>> not......
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "DJ" <dhjohnson@mindspring.com>
>>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 4:39 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab 
>>> for
>>> looping)
>>>> That sounds very cool.  Do you know, can any of the the tonelabs
>>>> delays
>>>> self-oscillate a la the old bucket-brigade delays?  That is one of 
>>>> the
>>>> coolest effects and no one seems to make delays that can do it.  I
>>>> need
>>>> a delay that has tap tempo self-oscillation and looping.  I think
>>>> Maneco who make the Maneco loopers is building a device that can do
>>>> this.  No one mention the line 6 as I am not going to pay that kind 
>>>> of
>>>> money for something that is going to break and the replacement part
>>>> cost almost as much as a new unit.  My friend had one and when it
>>>> broke
>>>> that's what line 6 told him to do, buy a new chip or processor which
>>>> was probably 75% of the cost of a new unit.  When my old memory man
>>>> broke I sent it to EH and for 16 bucks they fixed it.
>>>> On Jun 18, 2004, at 4:26 PM, msottilaro wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 18, 2004, at 10:33 AM, DJ wrote:
>>>>>> I'm curious, what kind of looping capabilities does the Tonelab SE
>>>>>> have?
>>>>> Vox doesn't advertise it because nobody cares about looping, silly.
>>>>> ;)
>>>>>  Here's what it does straight from the manual:
>>>>> If you assign “HOLD DLY” to the CONTROL pedal, you’ll be able to 
>>>>> hold
>>>>> the delay
>>>>> sound.
>>>>> [1] “TIME” 1–8000 [ms] Sets the delay time.
>>>>> [2] “FEEDBACK” 0.0–10.0 * Adjusts the amount of feedback.
>>>>> [3] “TONE” 1.0–10.0 * Adjusts the tone of the delay sound.
>>>>> [6] “MIX” 0.0–10.0 * Adjusts the mix amount of the delay sound.
>>>>> CONTROL pedal: HOLD DLY: If you select “HOLD DLY” for the CONTROL
>>>>> pedal, the delay sound will be held from the
>>>>> moment you turn the pedal on.
>>>>> What the manual doesn't say is that when you change delay times it
>>>>> behaves like the old Digitech PDS8000 and old analog delay pedals
>>>>> where you get all sorts of warping during the change.  That makes 
>>>>> for
>>>>> some fun effects.
>>>>>> lso, I saw you mention in another post that the Tonelab will let 
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> disable the cabinet simulations so you can use it with an amp 
>>>>>> w/out
>>>>>> double filtering your signal.  I am wondering if it is possible 
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> you to disable all the amp-like parts and use it as a multi-fx 
>>>>>> unit.
>>>>> Yes, that's the idea.
>>>>>> Can you tweak the parameters in real time easily while you 
>>>>>> playing?
>>>>> Yeah, totally.  You can also assign any perimeter to one of the
>>>>> expression pedals so you don't have to be bending over all the time
>>>>> to
>>>>> knob twiddle.  You can do that as well, though.  It's got a really
>>>>> simple to navigate interface where you have "soft" knobs that 
>>>>> change
>>>>> function depending on what your tweaking.
>>>>>> I would like to get the Tonelab to record with and then I would 
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> to use it with a real guitar amp and use just the FX onstage, but 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> need to be able to adjust things real-time while on stage.  Can 
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> be done with the Tonelab?  If it also has looping it may have
>>>>>> everything I need.  Thanks!
>>>>> That's the whole idea behind this piece of gear.  Check it out, you
>>>>> may hate it's presets but once tweaked you can do a lot with this
>>>>> badboy.
>>>>> Mark