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RE: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for looping)

>From Mark S.

If you assign "HOLD DLY" to the CONTROL pedal, you'll be able to hold 
the delay
[1] "TIME" 1-8000 [ms] Sets the delay time.
[2] "FEEDBACK" 0.0-10.0 * Adjusts the amount of feedback.
[3] "TONE" 1.0-10.0 * Adjusts the tone of the delay sound.
[6] "MIX" 0.0-10.0 * Adjusts the mix amount of the delay sound.
CONTROL pedal: HOLD DLY: If you select "HOLD DLY" for the CONTROL
pedal, the delay sound will be held from the
moment you turn the pedal on.

What the manual doesn't say is that when you change delay times it 
behaves like the old Digitech PDS8000 and old analog delay pedals where 
you get all sorts of warping during the change.  That makes for some 
fun effects. 

>From Me:

Well, with my curiosity sparked by Mark's input on the Vox Tonelab SE, I
trotted over to Guitar Center tonight to give it a whirl, with my guitar
and my headphones packed into the trunk just in case.  They only had the
desktop Tonelab out on display, so I tried that, assuming that the units
would be the same.  They don't seem to be, following closer inspection.
After two sets of malfunctioning headphones, I asked the salesman if he
could actually bring out an SE and if I could grab my guitar and
headphones.  Ahhhh...much better.

I am going to have to disagree with Mark's assessment that the 'hold
delay' on the Vox Tonelab is similar to the PDS-8000.  As for the sheer
mechanics of getting the hold delay, I am sure I would need to work on
it a bit more.  I didn't have the manual as well.  I was able to get it
into 100% feedback mode, but couldn't figure out how to be playing more
material over the top without it going into the delay line.  Perhaps
Mark would confirm whether this is possible.

As for the 'time' adjustment.  This was where I was most disappointed.
The movement of the time knob during the hold delay was totally digital,
glitchy and useless sounding...making the time transitions of a DL4 (or
even better an Echo Pro) sound totally organic.  Now that's a little
sarcasm there, because adjusting the time knob on a DL4 is a dose of
reality that you are dealing with a SOFTWARE SIMULATION of a real
circuit.  As I said before, the Echo Pro is significantly better,
because if its infinite rotating time knob, which allows for slower and
more controlled transitions.

On the Tonelab, it hiccupped almost immediately and created very
unmusical effects.  Nothing like the wonderful sound washes you can get
with a closed loop of a PDS-8000.  Also, with the PDS, you can turn the
time knob down to the slowest, creating a rumbling chaos, then 'reopen'
the delay line and place clean new material on top.  Can you do this
with the Tonelab?  Since I couldn't figure out how to actually close off
the input to the delay line, I couldn't really get that far anyway.

Sorry for the long winded post.  I guess I'm still looking for a delay
with the modern bells and whistles and sound fidelity, but that feels
'real'.  I'm beginning to run out of the current 'modelled' options and
may just revert back to an analog delay and live with the noise and
limited features/delay time.  The Maxon AD-999 has piqued my interest,
as well as the EH Deluxe Memory Man.

Maybe I should have bought one of Bob Moog's delays a few years ago when
I had the chance.  Hehe...

Anybody have any direct experience with the EH Memory Man or the Maxon?