Hey all, It's nice to see this list turn back to discussion of esthetics instead of gear! I've been sitting out the definition of looping thread because I really don't have anything to add, but I'm glad to see a serious discussion of the difficult topic of just what the hell it is we're all trying to do with these crazy boxes. Made me nostalgic for the early daze of LD (aw-shucks) As far as the guilty pleasures thing goes, I don't think anyone should feel bad about any music they dig or have dug. I get accused of being a music snob now and then, but hey, I was a huge Paul Simon fan in Junior High, owned all of his solo and S&G stuff on 8-track. I sometimes feel like my Miles Davis fetish is a bit out of hand. Bitches Brew was the record that, once I heard it in High School, convinced me that I wanted to be a musician. Since then, I've gotten just about every millisecond of music he recorded from 1960 onwards, including a lot of bootlegs. I also suffer from a major Bill Laswell fixation, which can be an expensive habit. I'm not saying either of these are less than great musicians, just that my own involvement with them verges of obsessive/compulsive Lately, a lot of my listening has been hip-hop, especially the more experimental stuff. Anti-pop Consortium's latest mixes way cool analog electronics with very clever raps. Blackalicious' Blazing Arrow is the best, smartest, most upbeat rap record I've heard in ages, in a just world this would top the pop charts (and in the real world isn't doing that badly). Bonus points for featuring both Gil Scott Heron (in person) and Harry Nilsson (in a sample) on the same disc. The new Dalek disc on Ipecac is just about the perfect fusion of NY Noise Rock ala Sonic Youth with hip hop. The new Cinematic Orchestra (Every Day, amazing disc) has British rapper Roots Manuva rhyming "Take you to my Tardis" with "Who's the hardest," a couplet that never fails to crack me up. It seems like a lot of people are dismissive of hip hop, even around LD's enlightened membership, and I just wanted to point out that, just like any other genre of music, there are great people doing interesting music out there. BTW, I just scored a Roland RE-301 Chorus Echo, tape delay w/sound-on-sound, spring reverb and chorus. Beautiful box, hooked it up to the Rhodes and spent last night in tape decay bliss. And it's covered with Tolex, the true hallmark of cool gear...