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Re: Andre EDP Loops
At 09:11 PM 9/13/2002, Louie Angulo wrote:
>Thanks Andre you are really doing some wonderful
>futuristic stuff there!
>That would be the EDP ultimate dream; stereo,loop
>storing wav. tranferable,digital in and out,phono in
>and perhaps a cool 2 tone deep water blue green color?
The "storing" part and the "transferable" part always seem like
nice-to-have features. It would be a nice little check box to have there
the EDP brochure - You can save your loops and easily transfer them to PC!
And yet, I increasingly don't find these features as things I have much
need for. I'm not even sure how I would use them.
Listen to what Andre does, or what Matthias does, or what a lot of people
do now with looping, and the real music is not in some singular "loop".
These guys are constantly manipulating the loops, creating, evolving,
deconstructing them, playing against them. Doing it live! The music is
about the process of interacting with the loops in various ways. Working
with the repetitive elements, playing against them, changing them, keeping
some elements repeating while fading or destroying others.
So what is the "loop" then? If you are going to save something that is a
constant evolution, what do you save? If you are going to transfer it to
the PC, do you transfer the thing left repeating at the end, or do you
record the whole process? I think it's the latter. You do what Andre does,
you plug a recording device in, press Record at the beginning, and Stop an
The lack of a saving capability in the EDP is a limitation, but at the
time I found it oddly liberating after a while. I used to hate it when I
had created a really cool loop and then had to destroy it later. It seems
really negative at first. But after a while this create-and-destroy
caused me to realize that if I created something good once I could create
something good again. A feeling of confidence grew out of that - I could
rely on myself rather than a hard disk. From an improvising standpoint it
was a great learning experience. It's certainly not a concept you can
easily market, yet I'm glad to have had it....
Lately I've been re-listening to a lot of old 90's industrial music that I
loved back in it's time. Even filling out my collections of various bands
to get all the stuff I missed back when I couldn't afford more than the
occasional cd. Godflesh, Meat Beat Manifesto, Puppy, Ministry, FLA, etc.
is really interesting to hear some of these bands develop over time to
their greatest moments. Much of what makes industrial music work is the
thudding aggressive repetition of the loops. But oftentimes that's where
failed too. Some of it just goes nowhere with that.
For example today I listened to various Meat Beat albums. Early MBM just
seems too repetitive and one-dimensional compared to their later albums.
has some moments, but overall it feels restricted by the sameness of the
repetition. Whereas later albums really developed an ability to work with
the repetitive elements more. Some things change while others don't, some
elements mutate over time, some elements drop out and come back later.
There's more song structure, and more depth. Did Jack just get better? or
have better tools available? I don't know. Going from Storm the Studio to
Satyricon to Actual Sounds and Voices it was really obvious, the music
much more interesting for me. Yet even so, there is still a chunky
"Ok, let's turn this chunk on!" "Now mute this chunk and sing over it".
"Now let's fade in this other chunk and play a short wave radio
sample!" It feels very constructed. Don't get me wrong, it's brilliant, I
can listen to it all day (and I did....) but they never quite get the
in-the-moment live feeling, and sometimes I really miss the energy of that.
And maybe that's the point of where I'm going with this. I enjoy listening
to people like Andre, (or so many others here) because there's something
alive about it. It's loops and repetition that I always like, but it's
spontaneous and live and on the edge at the same time. Not the stiffly
constructed loop music of the 90's. It never feels like, "well I recorded
this loop 9 months ago, and I have to use it somewhere, so how about
boooorrrring. You can only do so much with an amen break, a tb-303, an old
metal guitar loop, and samples from blade runner and a porno, and it was
already done better than you're going to do it anyway. I think it's time
move on from that. play live!
Kim Flint | Looper's Delight
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