Support
Looper's Delight
|
Support |
|
|
In the spirit of kim's statements about moderating the group ourselves... I have always been amazed at dt's great spirit in participating in the conversation, and I, too, check out many of his posts just to hear a real 'educated by intense experience' type of viewpoint. I also feel the same about kim and matthias and others, for the record. I am once again amazed by a real patient and sane response by mr. Torn, especially given the strength and heat of some of pb's inflammatory comments. It sounds like dt is on the responsibility-taking tip. For pb, however, I'm not sure this will ever be over... Sad that this all devolves into personal stuff, but I must wonder if this is not about the proposed topic at all, rather perhaps a favorite toy stolen at 5 years old, or some other regret. todd On 12/17/01 9:07 AM, "Hedewa7@aol.com" <Hedewa7@aol.com> wrote: > pbadore@rochester.rr.com writes: >> I don't like people left and right e-mailing my private address. > > as it's been a while, i can't really remember why i emailed you, >privately > --- maybe it was because this had become so clearly 'off-topic', maybe >it was > merely another of my mistakes. > > pb>I dislike LD for printing them. I occasionally make exceptions but >this > is not one >> of them. During this past month I debated whether to reply to this or >not >> and have obviously decided. I would appreciate it if you would leave me > alone >> after this, and if you attempt to do otherwise I'll delete your message >> unread. Feel free to submit a copy of this to LD as I don't feel like >> resubscribing just for the sake of one letter. > > i'll admit that i'm confused, here, again --- maybe you could let me >know if > you receive this email; > i will post it to LD, w/your post intact --- as maybe you'll only see it, > there, presuming that you continue to scan the LD archives..... > > pb>> >What about *interpretation*, the key issue here? I resent your >sarcasm >>>> represented by the asterisks, > > dt>> on the subject of interpretation --- i use asterisks in my email to > merely >>> *stress* a word, not for sarcasm. >>> i'm not a sarcastic guy. > > pb>I seem to recall "elecTORNica". Everyone is sarcastic one way or >another. > > that wasn't meant as sarcasm, just cheap humor. > > > pb>There is also no need for you to stress anything. Just write your >messages >> straight. > > well, that's how i speak, as well --- with exaggerated dynamics; though, >i > have often been accused of verbal ellipsis. > > > pb>> >but I also apologize if I wasn't clear enough >>>> at the beginning. > > dt>> don't worry; we're just talking, & i apparently misunderstood your >>> intentions. > > pb>> >I assure everyone I'm not crazy or making this up when >>>> I say I found a few downloads on either LD (might have been CD1 but >> they're >>>> deleted) or off Elephant Talk but can't recall exactly where. > > i *certainly* never said nor implied anything about anyone being 'crazy'. > > > pb>> >Earlier >>>> today >>>> I made a search but to no avail. But these people labelled their work >>>> "Soundscapes" in relation to KC material. Hence my comments. > > dt>> is that where this started? >>> again --- i had no idea that this is what you were talking about >referring >>> to --- >>> confusion. > > pb>Then why did you get involved in the first place? > > i got involved, as i was tweaked at the thought that someone (whom i >thought > was new at LD) might mis-perceive *all* loop-people to be dedicated to > slavishly aping robert fripp's 'soundscapes'; > i was not aware that you were specifically referring to downloads at a > particular website; > my mistake! > > > pb>I've looked at the >> archives and notice there's rarely a subject you haven't added your two >> cents to. > > well, this may be wrong, but..... i am trying to continue w/some kinda > participitation in/contribution to the looping-'community', and, since i >do > this looping-thing pretty much every day, i figure there ought to be >*some* > useful-to-somebody-bits in a portion of the crap that i spout..... but, >maybe > not: > that's one risk that i continue to take --- that of being an ass, and > publicly so. > > > pb>The original subject was "KC in SF - No Loop Content". Naturally >> Crimsonesque & Frippesque terms were bound to be used. Aside from our >> argument I've probably inputted about three times and only if it's >something >> I was familiar with. You don't see me blabbing about David Torn, do >you? >> Unless, of course, he tried to attack me with some stupid >misinterpretation >> of my comments! If you don't know or care to know about something, STAY >> OUT >> OF IT!!! (Now THAT's stress!) > > pb>> >But > > dt>> why, but? > > pb>Why not? Again, I don't really want to know. > > pb>> >let's put your original thoughts in a proper perspective. If I >said: >>>> "Hey you motherfuckin' asshole loopers! You don't know shit about >what >>>> you're doin'! All you're doing is copying soundscapes which was >invented >>>> by the great Robert Fripp years ago after he created Frippertronics. >>>> Copycat candyasses!" >>>> NOW I deserve every counterattack from the past couple of days! >However, >>>> I accept your apology; but please keep in mind you started a precedent > > > dt>> if i started a precedent, that precedent was not meant as a personal >>> attack, > > > pb>But ya DID, Blanche, ya DID make a personal attack! > > well, that was truly unintentional; > i thought that i was addressing what appeared to be an 'issue' --- at >least, > for me. > and: > i have every hope & confidence that your personal & musical >contributions to > this screwy world are broadly valuable, either now or in the future. > > > dt>> just my thoughts & responses presented in this environment which >> encourages >>> the exchange of ideas. > > > pb>Yeah, at my expense. > > that's not at all what i meant to do; that's the mistake for which i > apologise. > > > dt>> i am indeed sorry that you perceived it otherwise; >>> i meant no personal harm. > > > pb>> >that >>>> fortunately is now waning, aside from Sottilaro's continuing >childishness >>>> which has long worn out (even I stopped the hanky lines). Our >society >>>> today enjoys attacking itself and who cares if there's no real reason >> for >>>> it? > > so, why, then, would you stoop to attacking mark sottilaro's innocently > good-humored posts? > > > > dt>> actually, there was a reason for my response, which i tried to make > clear. > > > pb>No, you didn't. > > i *tried* to make it clear. to reiterate: > i was tweaked at the thought that someone (whom i thought was new at LD) > might mis-perceive *all* loop-people to be dedicated to slavishly aping > robert fripp's 'soundscapes'; > i was not aware that you were specifically referring to downloads at a > particular website; > my mistake! > > > pb>> >I'm also sorry I wasted everyone's time, including my own. Once I >had >>>> gotten everything together I was hoping to put something on LD, but >> now >>>> everything's gone to waste. Perhaps in time I'll either return or - >> more >>>> likely - find another outlet for my music. > > i sincerely hope that you find an outlet for your music, at LD or >otherwise. > > > dt>> while i'm not sure that i consider LD as an outlet for music, it is >a > good >>> place for expressing ideas / information / thoughts, as regards >looping & >>> such; there are *many* threads besides this one (see the archives), >and i >>> think it might be the only net-place that is really loop-centric --- >>> sorry if you are somehow dissuaded from hanging. > > > pb>"Somehow"?? I'm a villain because of your assumption and don't argue >this! > > i certainly do *not* perceive you as a villain! > i perceive you as someone with whom i've had a somewhat obtuse verbal > misunderstanding. > > > pb>I admit I'm hardly what you'd call a professional, but does that mean > people >> of your caliber need to look down your noses at people of mine? > > i do not 'look down my nose' at you; i was --- or, so i thought --- >trying to > bring another perspective to the discussion. > > > pb>It strikes me odd that you have so much time on your hands to >participate > in this! > > huh? > > > pb>Even Fripp only contributes to ET once every few years! > > ..... does that statement imply that you believe that i should, as a >rule, > follow his example? while i love & respect RF, that is not gonna happen: > different strokes, etc. > > > pb>I am disgusted that LD has turned into both a forum for you (a lot of > gushing) > > well, if ya hung around, it'd be a forum for you, too..... as it seems >to be > for other folks. > > > pb>and a commercial site for the Repeater > > actually, i'd say that the majority of posts relate directly to the EDP, > though repeater has (naturally, due to its recent release date) made a >strong > showing, as have the jamman, boomerang, line6, orville, bossRC20, kyma, >acid, > headrush, etc etc..... > > > pb>(a piece of shit, if you ask me). > > while not perfect -(but what looper is everything, to all users?)- i'm >quite > happy with my repeater --- it's been a very, very useful tool, for me, >among > others. > > > pb>I used to work voluntarily as a DJ at a radio station in the Rochester >> Institute of Technology and found nothing there but a bunch of technical >> yesmen who all said the same thing. That's why I left LD: Last month >> was a rerun of those horrible days (although I gotta admit, the debates >that >> resulted did bring some humanity to the dullness). > > i'm sorry to hear of the recall of bad memories, and of the dullness. > > > dt>> best, >>> dt / s-c > > pb>I'd hate to see your worst. >> PB > > damn, that's cold. > dt / s-c >