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Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate finale

I have one last thing to say on this topic:

Blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah, blah blah bala blah blah, blah blah 
blah. Blah, blah blah bala blah blah, blah blah blah blah, blah blah 
bala blah blah, blah blah blah blah, blah blah balablah blah, blah. Blah 
blah blah, blah blah balablah blah, blah blah blah blah, blah blah 
Balablah blah, blah blah blah blah, blah blah balablah blah, blah blah 
blah blah, blah blah bala.

Oh yeah, and I invented the Rutles!  Yeah they stole it from me!  Frank 
Sinatra too!  Yeah!  I invented Frank Sinartra!

Mark Sottilaro

On Saturday, November 17, 2001, at 08:46 PM, Peter Badore wrote:

> To Hedawa7 for the last time:
> 1.  I refuse to capitalize your entire name in a childish effort to 
> boost
> your ego.  The heading doesn't do so, and neither will I.
> 2.  > again, i understood you to mean 'all' or 'most' loopists, not just
> those
>> arising from the legions of robert's quasi-disciples.
> You still think I'm calling every looper a soundscaper.  I don't know 
> how
> you got started with that crap.  Please read my original message again
> carefully and with consideration this time, if you still have it on 
> file.  I
> was making a simple observation about a few of my fellow 
> "quasi-disciples".
> Talk about minor ignorance!  I have to blow my nose, now.
> 3.  > while idiosyncratic 'synthesis/incorporation' may well include 
> some
> elements
>> & traces of 'innovation', i generally think of the word 'innovation' as
>> implying an actual genesis:birth of something 'new';
> Webster's defines "innovation":  "1.  the act or process of innovating; 
> 2.
> something newly introduced; new method, custom, device, etc.; change in 
> the
> way of doing things".  Think about that last part:  "change in the way 
> of
> doing things."  My argument stands.  You can only work with what you 
> have,
> but you can take it to another level.  That's how life works.
> 4.  > .....seems to me that it's pretty common in the art/music world 
> for
> highly
>> visible 'synthesisers' to become regarded as innovators, due in large 
>> part
> to
>> baseline consensus realities created by mass-distributed 'secondary'
> media,
>> eg advertisements, magazines, television events, et al, and agreed 
>> upon,
> to
>> some degree, 'by default': the baseline.
>> (which also implies that the american concept of 'rugged individualism'
> is,
>> well, kinda busted..... at least at the baseline).
>> *-)
>> sorry, but:
>> whaddya think?
> I think synthesizers are highly innovated, but everything depends on the
> player.  A car is only as good as the driver.  I don't give a damn what 
> the
> media portrays, but I also don't give a damn about people who ignore
> changing times.  I was one of the latter for a ten-year period:  
> Nothing but
> oldies rock and hard bop, and that followed a period where I had started
> taking an interest in electronic music for a short period of time.  Too
> complicated to go into, but I practically had to start all over again 
> when I
> woke up (hey, I'm not perfect, either!).  But I digress.  I still face 
> a lot
> of poo-pooing about my "sudden change of character", as described by 
> several
> people.  I like my GR-33 and other new effects, but to each one's own.
> Although I'm aware of the control few people have over it, I grow tired 
> of
> the media being blamed for everything.  For crying out loud, 2001 is 
> almost
> over!  Move on!
> 5.  >storytime:
>> some years ago, i was playing w/a -errrmmmm- 'major' artist.
>> we were in rehearsal, and at one point, he was playing guitar;
>> i approached him to find out the fingering/inversion of the chord that 
>> he
> was
>> playing.
>> i said: 'so, what exactly are ya playing, there?'
>> he seemed to slightly misinterpret my intention, and replied (nearly
>> fatuously):
>> 'isn't this a nice chord? i invented it, last night'.
>> my rejoinder was: 'actually, it sounds like a G-Maj triad over Eb, or 
>> an
>> EbMaj7, b13, contextually', but
>> he turned away, non-plussed, obviously self-satisfied with his recent
>> invention.
> Here you have my sympathy, but I've learned over the years it's useless 
> to
> try and point these things out.  We all have egos and you just gotta go 
> with
> the flow.  Did you compliment him on his chord?
> 6.  > okay, then i'm making 'elecTORNica', from here on out.....
> HUH???
> 7.  (My quote)   >I also hope Soundscapes is becoming the new
>>> fashionable term as "ambient" has now lost its original meaning when 
>>> Eno
>>> first conceived it.
> (Yours)  > neither of the  2 terms  has any meaning for me, anymore,
> personally:
>> s'just a buncha presumably organised verbal blather, bleached of 
>> meaning
> by a
>> largely numb audience painfully over-eager to define (and be enslaved 
>> by)
>> idioms.
>  Whatever.  I was joking, y'know.
> 8.  Finally, I couldn't get the damned Repeater to work!  Now I gotta go
> back tomorrow!
> No hard feelings but I don't deny my bluntness,
> PB