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Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate

At 6:47 PM -0500 11/17/01, Peter Badore wrote:
>And to Chris Muir:  I'm fully aware of the works of Riley, Reich, and
>Oliveiros.  However, no one has brought out this technique to the public 
>large better than Fripp & Eno, for obvious reasons.

Yes, but that doesn't mean that they get any special claim on the 
technique. Let's say that Brittany Spears decides to get interested 
in looping. She is orders of magnitude more popular, and therefore 
would bring this technique to the public better than anyone to date. 
Does that give her the right to name the technique after herself 
(e.g. SpearsScapes, BritanyLoops) and not credit those that came 
before her?

Popularization does not equal innovation, although to be fair, it 
doesn't preclude it either.

>Just as Jimi Hendrix
>innovated electric guitar techniques even though he didn't invent the
>instrument or D.W. Griffith innovated storytelling in the movies without
>inventing cameras or film (though his praising of the KKK leaves a lot to
>doubt), F&E took this invention and turned it into their own separate

Yes, but none of the examples that you listed had the hubris, the 
arrogance, the gall (mitigated or not) to name a technique after 
themselves and obscure the real origins.

>So I must disagree that RF "didn't innovate" (you'll have to
>refer to your own letter as I've already quoted the above).

What I said was:
>People who think that Fripp innovated much tech here should check 
>out "Poppy Nogood and the Phantom Band", from the 1969 release "A 
>Rainbow in Curved Air". All the techniques of "Frippertronics" are 

I stand by this. There was no tech innovation here. The dual tape 
machines of "Frippertronics" are the same dual tape machines of 
Riley's "Time Lag Accumulator", in pretty much the same setup.

>He is indeed
>worthy of the term Frippertronics (and, yes, I'm also aware that the term
>started as as joke).  I also hope Soundscapes is becoming the new
>fashionable term as "ambient" has now lost its original meaning when Eno
>first conceived it.  Yeah, yeah, two different things.

Perhaps the most appropriate response here is a quote:
  "Those who do not remember the past are condemned
   to repeat it."


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