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Re: Soundscapes/Frippertronics debate
>Hedawa7 has written:
.....ummm, actually, that's 'HEDEWA7'.
>I did not say that "all loopists" were "attempting" anything! I'm
>to an occasional download from either LD or Elephant Talk by those, like
>me, who have their creative roots in Crim-related material.
i had no way of knowing to what/whom you were referring, as what you said
>> >> >I've noticed whenever someone attempts Soundscapes they're really
>> >> >Frippertronics.
.....and i tend to take email, literally.
(unless, of course, i missed some previous explicatory missive, in which
i apologise for being such an ass, again.)
>What I meant was,
>on occasion, when someone features their work as Soundscapes (which, from
>listening to RF's CDs, employs a less repetitious pattern with drastic
>fading after only a few repeats at most) it sounds more akin to
>Frippertronics (which employs constant repetition with almost unnoticable
>fading until you realize it's almost gone several minutes later). Got
>Just those people in particular, not the entire looping community!
again, i understood you to mean 'all' or 'most' loopists, not just those
arising from the legions of robert's quasi-disciples.
>But, as I implied, I don't have a problem with it; just an observation.
>was meant to anyone regarding this; nevertheless, if you have something
>bad up your nose, by all means grab a hanky and blow!
and will ever continue to do so.....
>And to Chris Muir: I'm fully aware of the works of Riley, Reich, and
>Oliveiros. However, no one has brought out this technique to the public
>at large better than Fripp & Eno, for obvious reasons.
hmmmmm...... i'm *really* not sure about that, when it comes to the
complexity of specifics.
>Just as Jimi Hendrix
>innovated electric guitar techniques even though he didn't invent the
a misplaced analogy, methinks.
>or D.W. Griffith innovated storytelling in the movies without
>inventing cameras or film (though his praising of the KKK leaves a lot
>F&E took this invention and turned it into their own separate
while idiosyncratic 'synthesis/incorporation' may well include some
& traces of 'innovation', i generally think of the word 'innovation' as
implying an actual genesis:birth of something 'new';
.....seems to me that it's pretty common in the art/music world for highly
visible 'synthesisers' to become regarded as innovators, due in large part
baseline consensus realities created by mass-distributed 'secondary'
eg advertisements, magazines, television events, et al, and agreed upon,
some degree, 'by default': the baseline.
(which also implies that the american concept of 'rugged individualism'
well, kinda busted..... at least at the baseline).
some years ago, i was playing w/a -errrmmmm- 'major' artist.
we were in rehearsal, and at one point, he was playing guitar;
i approached him to find out the fingering/inversion of the chord that he
i said: 'so, what exactly are ya playing, there?'
he seemed to slightly misinterpret my intention, and replied (nearly
'isn't this a nice chord? i invented it, last night'.
my rejoinder was: 'actually, it sounds like a G-Maj triad over Eb, or an
EbMaj7, b13, contextually', but
he turned away, non-plussed, obviously self-satisfied with his recent
>So I must disagree that RF "didn't innovate" (you'll have to
>refer to your own letter as I've already quoted the above). He is indeed
>worthy of the term Frippertronics (and, yes, I'm also aware that the term
>started as as joke).
okay, then i'm making 'elecTORNica', from here on out.....
>I also hope Soundscapes is becoming the new
>fashionable term as "ambient" has now lost its original meaning when Eno
>first conceived it.
neither of the 2 terms has any meaning for me, anymore, personally:
s'just a buncha presumably organised verbal blather, bleached of meaning
largely numb audience painfully over-eager to define (and be enslaved by)
to quote rahsaan roland kirk: 'bright moments!'
>Finally, thanks Mark Sottilaro for your advice and to those who
>the Repeater. I'm going to try one out now!
have fun!, and don't forget that the edp's a great partner for repeater.
dt / s-c