I'm very interested in this distinction: *When is it fraud?* I did a concert once [I sang and played diatonic harp] where the playback contained some harp. It was too late to change anything- the guy hiring us didn't care- and it was good money. One of my fears was: *What if the audience thinks ALL the harp is on tape*? And if the poor sods don't notice or care, why not lay down 5 tracks of interesting harp at home, and just concentrate on singing? [and what makes having a little keyboard on tape better than lip-sync... etc, etc, etc] To tell the truth, I have never taken the time to think this all the way through- - -never came to a conclusion. But it's what got me thinking about the Echoplex and looping in general [That, and that Cello player]; It allows you to bypass those ethical/vanity considerations- as you are playing- in concert, if you will- with the playback. Of course, *DJ's* take this to an extreme; taking credit for stuff they couldn't conceptualize in a 1000 years. But then, few people consider that the entire techno/DJ thing is just disco married to Political Correctness [Wannabe Gangbangers singing to China Grove- - - and nobody blows the whisthle- - -sigh]--Sigh. Did someone check my spelling? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.