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Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves....

Interesting you mention Hemholtz.  I'm reading a 1936 book "Science and
Music" which uses Hemholtz's "Harmonic Resonance Chambers" as examples and 
basis for discussing the differences between a tone (tuning fork) and a
musical note (many harmonic properties.) The resonance chambers were glass
tubes filled with a differing amouts of liquid, with a pipette at the end
you could stick in your ear to listen to.  These tubes would 
resonate with whatever sound was being produced near them and thus you 
find the harmonic components of any sound by creating the sound and
listening to which resonators were active.

This relates to looping of course because if you can take any sound and
deconstruct it to it's component harmonics, you have the building blocks of
the next loop staring you in the face - it's just a matter of which
harmonics you want to reinforce, or for that matter - which harmonics you
want to stifle by using it's phase-opposite harmonic...

With this in mind - I wonder if the "clipping" of certain frequencies that
are out of our normal range of hearing (like on a tape or CD or any
recording for that matter) truly destroys the overal ambiance of the sound.
Even if you can't hear a 56,000 wavelength, won't that wave still interfere
/ modify / beat with the harmonics of other notes being played, and that
interaction/interference beat would vertainly be in a pulse range 
with human hearing.  So - wouldn't the removal of these super-high 
alter forever the true nature of the original sound?  Just a thought as I
think about the layers of sound, harmonic upon harmonic, interacting with
each other to make other "inferred" sounds.

For some reason I used to discard music theory.   I grew up playing
classical music, and when I was a teenager I tossed out all forms of theory
in search for my inner muse.  What a moron I was.  Metaphorically speaking:
The muse (the harmony of soul, mind, body, emotions) needs a complete 
to live in.  Musical theory, I found, is simply another polishing you can
put into your vehicle which may entice her to pay you a visit once in a
while.  If she likes the atmosphere, maybe she'll stay.

What's that have to do with Hemholtz?  Nothing! But I thought I'd share.



-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Tremblay <ltct@concentric.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves....

>Although I disagree with the specious New Age-y
>comments here about the link between Quantum Physics
>and neo-Mysticism , "Godel, Escher, Bach" is essential
>reading, especially for loopists. Fortunately, it
>predates the mushy New Agers who've co-opted bits of
>it to support their myopic post-hippie delusions.
>On the subject of music and the vibratory energies set
>into motion, Dane Rudyar's book "The Magic of Tone and
>the Art of Music" came highly recommended by Glen Branca,
>Philip Glass and Terry Riley.
>Ironically, I found Rudyar's book a good read despite
>my own distaste for the mushy hybrid of Hindu irrationalism
>and Astrology he's famous for. One quote that got my notice,
>  "A tone is a living cell... It has the power of
>  reproduction, of making exchanges, of growing.
>  It is a microcosom reflecting faithfully the macrocosm,
>  its laws, its center. A tone is a solar system."
>This reminded me of Herman Helmholz's book "On the
>Sensations of Tone" which was the first scientisfic
>inquiry into the properties of sound - Helmoltz was
>the first to *discover* the harmonic series and upper
>partial structure of tone. Highly recommended.
>- Larry
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <johnmcc@aldiscon.ie>
>To: <Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 6:58 AM
>Subject: Re: Discuss Amongst Yourselves....
>> The New Scientist Article Ken mentions (
>> http://www.newscientist.com/features/features.jsp?id=ns22273 ) is
>> excellent. Worth checking out, especially if you've read "Godel, Escher,
>> Bach". Putting your brain through some strenuous mental excercise! I
>> it was Neils Bohr who said "anyone who fails to be completely shocked by
>> quantum physics hasn't understood it".
>> I have noticed that playing loops manually (just playing a phrase over
>> over again) can be quite an experience, and certainly a different one to
>> using a looping device. Sometimes, your fingers just take over, and you
>> hear the "loop" interacting with the rest of the music.
>> I happen to have a Sheila Chandra CD with me today, so on this subject, 
>> quote from the liner notes:
>> "Sacred Stones: Somewhere all of us intuitively understand the links
>> between ancient musics, that is, that drones and chanting are at the 
>> of all musics.
>> The act of chanting is like throwing a stone into a lake - however small
>> the stone is, the ripples (vibration) it creates affect the whole lake. 
>> believe that making sound can make you 'sound' (whole).
>> Om Namaha Shiva: An ancient chant, a new melody. Shiva is the destroyer
>> ignorance. I find the 'clever' part of me wants the chant to 'go
>> - instead I listen to the harmonics the chant creates, or just to its
>> simplicity ... One for all of you to join in with at home!"
>>     [from the CD "Weaving my Ancestors' Voices" (RealWord CDRW 24 - 0777
>> 86722 2 7) ]
>> John